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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to cool people who cool stuff. You're

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Speaker 1: weekly reminder that it's worth fighting for shit sometimes. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and with me today is the

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Speaker 1: one and only Francesco Fiorentini. I'm just good. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good? You know. I need I need this show.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm feeling like I need to show I

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Speaker 1: need to remember the bravery, the heroism, the fact that

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Speaker 1: standing up to it and yeah, fighting the power and

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Speaker 1: Usually we pretend like we recorded on a different day.

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Speaker 1: This time we're actually recording on a different day, and

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Speaker 1: like you all in the future will know more details

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Speaker 1: than us. But there was like, yeah, another mass shooting

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Speaker 1: out with cool, weird pacifists in history who fight the FBI,

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Speaker 1: I think that'll help. To our producer Sophie Hi, Sophie, Hi, Magpie,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing Yeah, our audio engineer is Ian.

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Speaker 1: Everyone say hi to Ian. No just En. Our theme

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Speaker 1: So are we left off? Everyone's really fucking mad about

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Speaker 1: government repression and the government killing people in Vietnam, and

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Speaker 1: And some of those people they're pacifists and they're not rioting,

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Speaker 1: is a guy named William Davidson is who we're gonna

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Speaker 1: a little bit hie everything together with to tie it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I already got his name wrong. His name is William

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Speaker 1: furthest thing from the SS. Yes. William Daviden is primarily

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Speaker 1: Oh god, so he's a science guy. So we'll just

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Speaker 1: get even more weird breaking bad people going in more

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Speaker 1: interesting directions than actual breaking bad. Yeah, seriously, less selfish directions,

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Speaker 1: as we've laid out in episode one, part one. I mean, yeah, exactly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: napalm and gives it to pass fists. Yeah, so, David

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Speaker 1: and William. He's a pass fist, and he's a progressive

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Speaker 1: He's like, I feel like you can get a picture

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Speaker 1: large numbers of felonies. No, but but but they do

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Speaker 1: I mean. I'm just going to you know, trespassing and

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Speaker 1: Although the one thing I found about him he managed

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Speaker 1: you're going in like like while making love to these people,

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Speaker 1: like you know now, that's how we like shut up

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Speaker 1: and get inside me. Please please are you finished? No?

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Speaker 1: I mean in both ways? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, please finish. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the hours that went into anti warship. He's still like,

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Speaker 1: So most that work was at first with a group

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Speaker 1: guy who's obvious to recruit. You can imagine it as

424
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: the movie, right, there's like the one guy that shows

425
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: him in vignette, and then what they realize. John Peter Grady.

426
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: This guy has led a ton of draft board burglaries.

427
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: He is a natural leader. He's charismatic, his courage is infectious.

428
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: He is probably the main reason people, at least in

429
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: that area, maybe in general, we're doing these burglaries anyway.

430
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: So William was like, no, we can't have him, not

431
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: gonna work too obvious. Oh yeah, and it was the

432
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: right call. After the burglary, John Peter Grady was the

433
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 1: main guy who has investigated as the leader of it.

434
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: So they didn't tell him a fucking thing. They all

435
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: knew him. Didn't tell him a fucking thing. Oh he

436
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: must have been mad, but that's okay. You gotta cut out.

437
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: One's got heat on him, I know, and I bet

438
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: you in the end he was like, oh God, that

439
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: one wasn't me because I'd be in prison. Although you know,

440
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: depending on his religious affiliation, he might have been perfectly

441
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: fine and happy to be in prison or whatever. So

442
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: William gets together's team. He's got to convince them that

443
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: it's possible, and it seems like it will never work, right,

444
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: because this is part of why Hoover is able to

445
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: keep all this paperwork, because he thinks he's invincible, you know.

446
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: He gets together eight people age nineteen to forty four,

447
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: and they come from all walks of life, except that

448
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: probably all of them were white, but the book didn't say,

449
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: and so that's why I'm assuming they were all white

450
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: because of I don't know. But then again, there's this

451
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: thing or sometimes and one of them is an acrobat

452
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: of course, that can fit into very small places, you know,

453
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: sort of like like, yeah, do like a suitcase just

454
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: like an oceans you know eleven? Yeah right, Yeah, one

455
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: of them is really tall. They do have a locksmith,

456
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: oh love it. Yeah. Four of them are parents, which

457
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: rule they Also they weren't tight or anything with each other,

458
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: which I think played out very well for them in

459
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: terms of how they've survived the investigation. Yeah, is anyone

460
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: fucking anyone else here? Because that would really ruin this

461
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: all right? There's one married couple, but that's both of them. Yeah. Yeah,

462
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: So it's not a polycuele because polycueles can't get shit done. No,

463
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: I mean polycules can get shit done very briefly, but

464
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: it is not a stable set up most of the relationship. Yeah,

465
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: if you've been in a polycuele for thirty five years,

466
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: go rob the FBI. You owe it to each other.

467
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: It'll bring the sparkle they've been investigating you for ashi.

468
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: Get this now. Yeah. So John Rains was a religion

469
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: professor at Temple University who had ridden with the Freedom Writers,

470
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: the people who had forced integration into the South after

471
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: integration on public transit was was federally mandated, but it

472
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: was not actually happening. A lot of people consciously chose

473
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: to desegregate the buses, and some people like died for

474
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: it and stuff. You know, you can hear more about

475
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 1: them in the Armed Civil Rights episodes we did last year.

476
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: While doing that, he'd been arrested and he actually almost

477
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: got lynched from jail, as in people stealing him out

478
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: of custody to do harm to him, but a local

479
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: black farmer put up his farm as bail to get

480
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: him out before anything happened to him. Yeah, so he's

481
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: seen some shit his wife, Bonnie Rains, who ends up

482
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: being the one to keep him courageous actually during it all.

483
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: She runs a daycare center and she's a grad student

484
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: studying child development. They decided right after their marriage in

485
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two, so they've been together for about eight

486
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: years at this point. At least, they decided that they

487
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: were willing to risk their freedom in order to oppose

488
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: an injustice, which is the kind of conversation you need

489
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: to have with your partners. Yeah, and the couple they

490
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: spent days agonizing over whether or not they're going to

491
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: throw down in this because it seemed impossible. But in

492
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 1: the end they were like, all right, we're gonna do it.

493
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: This is like pretty tablet too, Like you can't just

494
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: like leave a kid with a tablet and you know,

495
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: go and like bringing the FBI, you know what I'm saying.

496
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: She I like how that they had babysitters exactly. She

497
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 1: had to set up an entire, you know, fucking daycare center,

498
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: as is long con to get to the FBI because

499
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: someone's got to do childcare for militant mamma. And I

500
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: love her, Yeah, no, totally, and that she comes up

501
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: a lot of I don't think she was named in

502
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: the book the there's one book about all this. We'll

503
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: talk about why in a little bit. It's called the Burglary.

504
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: And I don't remember if the babysitter gets named, but

505
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: she comes up a lot because childcare matters during all

506
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: of this. William's wife is in on it, but she

507
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: doesn't doing it basically because he's like not trying to

508
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: hide shift from his wife because he's a decent wife

509
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: guy of history, which is my um, Sophie and I

510
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: current project that we're working on as decent wife guys

511
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: of history. I love that. And I don't know, you

512
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, totally. The bars on the

513
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: floor picked up your feet, Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

514
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: I love that. I want like a coin collection. Speaking

515
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: of coins, we should place Reagan with those dudes. Get

516
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: David in on there. Absolutely um. And so she decides,

517
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: she's like, look, I'm not going to stop you, but

518
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: this is idiotic. I'm not having anything to do with this.

519
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: The next person Keith for Synth he's an easy cell.

520
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: He was more or less a full time hippie anti

521
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: war guy who drove a cab part time to fund

522
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: his revolution hobby. And William was like, hey, Bud, you

523
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: want to break into the FBI office? And Keith was like,

524
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, is that possible? And William was like, well,

525
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: I checked out two of them. The one in Philly

526
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: is a nog. But there's a small one in this

527
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: town called Media, which is outside of outside of Pennsylvania.

528
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: It's in Pennsylvania, outside of Philadelphia. M love the name.

529
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania has too many long names that start with P. Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh,

530
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: and Philly Philadelphia are all the same word, so it's

531
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: hard to distinguish between they are the same word. Yeah,

532
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm glad you agree. I agree? Oh completely. Keith is

533
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: like all right, let me go check it out. And

534
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: he drives over to Media and he goes and he

535
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: like walks into the building because the office is like

536
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: kind of in an apartment building on the ground floor

537
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: you got to walk into. The ground floor was shared hallway.

538
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: And he looks at it and he looks at the

539
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: locks and he's like, yeah, all right, I could pick

540
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: that lock. And he leaves, you know, um, and he's

541
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: in I'm sorry, sir, can I help you? Nope? Just check.

542
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: He's man like, okay, yeah, totally, probably dresses a hippie

543
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: the whole time, and like with his cab out front, totally.

544
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: And then there's Bob Williamson. There's Bob Williamson. And it

545
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: is not fair to my brain that there's a William

546
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: david In and a Bob Williamson. There's also same name.

547
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: Bob and Bill are the same name. Bob had dropped

548
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: out of college to focus on ending the war. As

549
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: someone who dropped out, I dropped out of college to

550
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: focus on anarchy. So I love you, Bob, even though

551
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: your name is entirely forgettable. But maybe this is why

552
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: they were never caught, as they all have these impossible

553
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: to remember names. Yeah, the Bill or Bob, you know

554
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: William Oh, Billy, Billy, damn it. They probably were looking

555
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: for O. A Davidson. No, there's no Davidson. No, we

556
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: got it done. That's not a real name. Nobody's named

557
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: David did not here, never heard of it. Must be foreign. Yeah, yes,

558
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm scary. So Bob was a social worker to fund

559
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: his revolution, Hobby william was like, hey, Bob, do you

560
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: want to do this shit? And Bob was like, yeah,

561
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: that's what was born for. Let's do this shit, there's

562
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: a couple more in the team. There's Susan Smith and

563
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: this one. I want to be like, what the fuck?

564
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: This name is too forgettable? But this one, that's actually

565
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: the point. This is a pseudonym. She never gave her

566
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: real name to the journalist. Wasn't Susan Smith the woman

567
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: who killed her kids also? Or is that that? Like?

568
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: Oh god, I don't know. At some point, I mean,

569
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes women do bad stuff too. Let's see true, Yeah,

570
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: murdered her two sons different, but any assuming this is

571
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: a different Smith because this one was in ninety four.

572
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: This is very different. But sorry, that's where Susan Smith is. Yes,

573
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: like objectively the most nondescript name. Yeah, we don't know

574
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: too much about her. She didn't talk as much about

575
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: her life and stuff. I do know that she wants

576
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: built a cabin in the woods by herself to teach

577
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: herself carpentry before all of this, which I did too,

578
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: and so I think it's fucking awesome. Yeah, but did

579
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: you use the Internet? Yes? I relied heavily on YouTube.

580
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: I assume Susan Smith relied heavily on YouTube as well.

581
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: I mean, how else would you learn how to build

582
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: your own cabin. Thank you. You're right, you're right, both

583
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: of you used YouTube, Yeah, exactly, sure. Yeah. She went

584
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: to their physicist friend, got a time machine, went forward

585
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 1: in time, used YouTube back in time, built the cabin.

586
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: Probably she bought David in an s for his name

587
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: and on Sesame Street and his coat, which went to

588
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: fucking Wheel of Fortune not yet a show. M Ands

589
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: brought it back into the seventies and we're good to go.

590
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: Nowhe's gonna mispronounce your name. No exactly. She took some

591
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: convincing that she wanted to do the burglary, not because

592
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: she didn't want to, not because she thought was impossible,

593
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 1: but because she was actually more of the stand around

594
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: and get arrested type. But when ship needed burglary, she

595
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: was willing. And then you got Ron Durst, another pseudonym.

596
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: He was a grad student. He's in. And then the

597
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: last recruit is Judy Finegold and she's nineteen years old.

598
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: She's a Quaker, lesbian activist living in women's housing cooperatives.

599
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: And she was the only one who had never broken

600
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: into a draft board before. And she's in. You know,

601
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: I just want to say that when you just give

602
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: the backgrounds of all these people. It reminds me of

603
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 1: a thing I learned, you know, during the Iraq War

604
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: and sort of being an activist and looking back and

605
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: my all my mentors are from this decade, from this,

606
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, Aunt's Vietnam War generation and the fact that

607
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: you could do things part time and still live and

608
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: survive and still be an activist where I mean, it's hard.

609
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: It's the reason why they do, you know, Like corporations

610
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: are obviously in cahoots with government to squelch us and

611
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: squeeze us even more than we can, because they do

612
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,479
Speaker 1: not want anyone with any time on their hands to act,

613
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: to activate and to organize for a better condition. Like

614
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: that's it. People were on wealth. Yeah, people were living

615
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: on welfare, using food stamps and living in like collective

616
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: houses where they could like plot how to stop the

617
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: Vietnam War, plot how to like start revolution and do

618
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: cool shit and like and there is nothing wrong. Again,

619
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: the vast majority of people who are on food stamps

620
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: are not revolutionaries plotting revolution. But it was an added perk.

621
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: And for sure, the ass wipes of history like Hoover

622
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: definitely ensured that in the future no longer would we

623
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: be free enough to work part time jobs potentially you know,

624
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: be on food stamps and then plot revolution in the

625
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: spare time. That's all I wanted to say. There's just

626
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: less of a social safety net. Now, I think it's

627
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: about design. It makes sense because like the socially conservative people,

628
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: it's it's one of the reasons why I don't agree

629
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: with accelerationism, right, is this idea like things don't have

630
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: to get worse before they get better. That's not true.

631
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah that happened, Like so yeah, that's the whole thing. Sorry,

632
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: but that's the whole thing with like when you realize

633
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: when Nixon came to power, you know, or like no, yeah,

634
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: or yeah, exactly when Nixon came to power, it was

635
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: like the height of the fucking anti Vietnam War movement,

636
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: um like and anyway, all to say like we made

637
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: such a right word heel turn with him when at

638
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: a moment when so many revolutionaries thought we were going

639
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: to go in a different direction, that the war was

640
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: going to end, when it didn't, and then Reagan came along,

641
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: and it's like, nah, man, things don't they actually get

642
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: progressively worse? Now we have just like you know, the

643
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: zombified Reagan, you know, incarnate, Yeah, which fortunately you can

644
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: purchase as I'm not gonna do an abtransition. So they

645
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: formed the Citizens Commission to Investigate the FBI. That's the

646
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: name of their group. I love that you have this,

647
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: Like the East Coast Conspiracy to Save Lives, the Citizens

648
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: Commission to Investigate the FBI. These are classy names, and

649
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: they have their security culture down. Normally, all of these

650
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: draft raids no security culture. People are loose talking about it,

651
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: probably because go to jail for justice is like a

652
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: big part of the culture they're in. But they knew

653
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: the ship was different. What they were doing was dangerous, hard,

654
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: likely to fail, likely to fuck up all of their

655
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: lives forever. It rules that the exact opposite happens. And yeah,

656
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: most draft raiders were like showing up in like jeans

657
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: and a T shirt with like a Duffel bag and

658
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: just to run out with draft cards or whatever, maybe

659
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: a ladder or whatever the fuck you know, hide in

660
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: a closet, tells some jokes have a good time. This

661
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't do for the New Action. They have briefcases, they

662
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: have non hippie clothes. They decided that no one can

663
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: invite anyone else or tell anyone else, and that afterwards

664
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: they would never associate with each other again and they

665
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: would carry the secret to their grave. They also developed

666
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: really important security culture protocol is like don't sound sketchy

667
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: over the phone, don't say things like I probably shouldn't

668
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: tell you over the phone. Just don't talk about shit

669
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: like that over the phone. Yeah, it's very good that

670
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: they had this protocol. The FBI was absolutely tapping on

671
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: all of their phones, yea, and yet they still pulled

672
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: this off. They picked March eighth, nineteen seventy one is

673
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: the date so that everyone, including cops and neighbors would

674
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: be distracted by the Fight of the Century because Muhammad

675
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: Ali is back in the story. Oh shit, the guy

676
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: who got the championship belt after a stripped from Ali.

677
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: His name is Joe Frazier and he had never beaten

678
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali. So people are kind of like, I mean, like, yeah,

679
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: I guess you're the heavyweight champion in the world. I mean,

680
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: you didn't beat the last one, but you know whatever,

681
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: you got the bell's shiny a nice bell. Muhammad Ali

682
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: had defended the title nine times before this successfully, so

683
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: no one believed that Joe Frasier was the heavyweight champion

684
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: of the world, so Frasier wanted to fight Ali. Frasier

685
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: put it like this, I went down to DC to

686
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: help Ali get his license back. President Nixon invited him

687
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: me up for tea. Joe, if I do that, can

688
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: you take him? I said, you dust him off, I'll

689
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: beat him up. Nixon kept his word, so did I. Jesus, Yeah,

690
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: it get presented. It gets presented sometimes as they were

691
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: totally fine with each other, and Joe was like looking

692
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: out for Ali and helping him get his license back.

693
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 1: And it was just because Muhammad Ali was like such

694
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: an asshole and like talked so much shit. That's why

695
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: they stopped being But I think that's probably not the

696
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: whole of it. Based on this quote in the Oscar

697
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: Award winning um version of it, it is definitely Joe

698
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 1: Frasier who is the protagonist and helps Muhammad Ali ulive

699
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: his career. No, I'm saying in the future, in the future,

700
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll be yeah exactly, just

701
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: because you know a Lah green book, Allah crash allah,

702
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: all of the other sort of like whitewashed, you know,

703
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: versions of history where like like God come to rescue.

704
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: Oh Joe's actually black too, is worth knowing, damn it.

705
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: But forget everything. Also said no, delete all that, Yeah,

706
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: completely delete. I'm just kidding. You don't have to, Okay.

707
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: But one of the things that's interesting, and he's kind

708
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: of the like he's presented as the great white hope

709
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: even though he's a black man. M and so we'll

710
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: get into some of the complicated stuff of that. Well

711
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: fuck it, okay. So, like, so Frasier's build as the

712
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: great white hope humanity or whatever. Fucking nonsense, because Ali

713
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: was into black power and was Muslim. The two had

714
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: kind of been friends for a while, but that they

715
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: let the division get to them. Did Fraser serve? Did

716
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: he go to Vietnam? This is a no, He didn't.

717
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: Neither one served. However, he was an anti war so

718
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: then he was like, right, yeah, the world wanted to

719
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: see them fight real bad as basically left versus right,

720
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: or rather revolution versus the establishment. By the way, it's

721
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: very sad that I don't know my history. But Joe

722
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: Frasier is just like the whitest sounding name. Okay, keep going,

723
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, yeah, I understand. Also, he's literally being

724
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: presented as the Great White Hope, which I feel bad

725
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: for him in terms of that, and he after all

726
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: of this, Muhammad Ali and Joe Frasier of a complicated

727
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: relationship where often they do become friends again. And I

728
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: think that this is like, not Joe Frasier's fault is

729
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: my rest he was utilised as a sort of tool, yeah,

730
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: to for all the things. It's I mean, it's because

731
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: we have a culture war now and it's amazing. We

732
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: think it's new. It's not. It's super old. It was

733
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: the culture war then, yeah, yeah, exactly. This is the

734
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: biggest deal sporting event in modern history. There might have

735
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: been coliseum shit that compared. Who knows it gets referred

736
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: to as the greatest sporting event in history, but I

737
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: mean colseums really big. I don't know anyway, So it's

738
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: a really good night to go rob a place. While

739
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: the two of them are fighting, a bunch of other

740
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: burglars realized this exact same thing actually, and like the

741
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: next morning, the FBI agent was like late to getting

742
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: into the office to realize it's been burglarized because he'd

743
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: been going dealing with the effects of these other bank

744
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: robberies that had happened, and so good. I secretly hope

745
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: it was some of our burglars friends who were like, yeah,

746
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: if you want to rub a bank, yeah, we're playing

747
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: in this other thing. You know, it's not really about

748
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: peace or whatnot, but we're gonna get rich and stay

749
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: out of jail anyone. And they're like, no, yeah, we're

750
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: ye going doing it for peace. Yeah, or you could

751
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: rob a bank so that you could afford the fine

752
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: goods and services that sponsor this podcast, and we're back.

753
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: So for three months, more nights than not, they go

754
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: over to the Rain's household, the married couple, and they

755
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: eat dinner. Then some of them would drive out to

756
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: media and case the place every single night, which seems

757
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: kind of like overkill, but I know nothing about burglary,

758
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: and these people pulled off one of the most impactful

759
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: ones in history, so I guess it's what to do.

760
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: They tracked regularities, what time neighbors came home, how many

761
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: cars came down the street, when cops drove by in patrol,

762
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: what time bars closed nearby, all kinds of shit. They

763
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: also tracked irregularities, how often random should happened. But they

764
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: decided in the end they could only control for regularities,

765
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: and then the fact that irregular should happened, they just

766
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: would have to take their chances. And they did this

767
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: caseinge and male female compare so that if anyone saw

768
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: them they could just like make out and be like, oh,

769
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: we're just like making it out in a car. It's

770
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: like totally not case in the FBI headquarters. Does media

771
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: still exist as an FBI headquarters or as an FBI

772
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: like outpost? Do we know? I don't know, someone knows

773
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: it does get a lot of the offices get closed

774
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: after this particular thing. Okay, okay, sorry, keep going yeah yeah,

775
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: And so okay, they go and they check it out.

776
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: They go and check out what's going on. Then they

777
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: go back home. They go up to the attic of

778
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: the Rains's house and they tack notes on the wall

779
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: and maps and shit, probably like connecting everything with string

780
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: and staring excitedly at the camera like the guy from

781
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: the meme. They planned a getaway route. Yeah, I just

782
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: I love their vision board. It's such a good vision board.

783
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: They planned to getaway routes, entrances, all of it. A

784
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: bunch of the burglars started crashing at the in the

785
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: attic on couches, probably all the hippies who drove cabs

786
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: part time or whatever. But a couple weeks into it,

787
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: on January twelfth, nineteen seventy one, our man, William Daviden.

788
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: He gets named as an unindicted conspirator in the bullshit case.

789
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: The hoover was building the blow up steam tunnels and

790
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: like kidnapped. Come on, keep david In out of your mouth.

791
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: You'd probably call him Davidson anyway, I know. So they're

792
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: busy trying to break into the FBI headquarters. And meanwhile

793
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: the guy who brought them all together, who's presented as

794
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: the leader and might have been and started to tell

795
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: with historical things. Everyone wants to pick a leader, but

796
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: his name is all over the papers. This is not

797
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: the best, no, But he keeps just doing his usual shit.

798
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: Now he stays in ooh interesting, I know, so David

799
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: and keeps doing his usual shit, like he's in Puerto

800
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: Rico protesting the Navy or some shit, while he's in

801
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: the middle of planning this whole thing. Yeah, hiding in

802
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: plain site has been an effective strategy for centuries, indeed,

803
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: And they just keep going fuck it, decide not to

804
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: worry about Williams brush with fame. The lock guy, Keith

805
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: he made his own lock picks for this, so that

806
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: there's no way to trace the purchase back to anywhere,

807
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: no way to be like, oh, it's this type of

808
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: lock back smart. He bought two locks similar to the

809
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: five pin tumbler on the door to the FBI office.

810
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: And then in full not even oceans, maybe oceans, there's

811
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: like full fast and furious moment they hang drywall in

812
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: the attic and install a replica of the door so

813
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: Keith can practice I love that love. That's all hard,

814
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: you know. This is the thing with like smartphones and

815
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: all the data collection is like you just can't pull

816
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: off the FBI break in that you want, you know,

817
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: you just very very difficult nowadays. And also that's why

818
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: the cash list system is anti revolutionary, counter revolutionary. You know.

819
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, they have us, you know, using our

820
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: fucking Apple pay and credit cards. You can be traced

821
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: in a second. Yeah, buy with cash, yeah or diy

822
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: as Keith did right, Yeah, because I mean even they

823
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 1: try and get that kind of record. Later they case

824
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: the inside too. There's a previous one. But time is short,

825
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: so I'm going to go over the main time they

826
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: case the inside. Bonnie Rains. She called up and she's like, Hi,

827
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: I'm a student and I was wondering if I could

828
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: interview someone for about thirty minutes about the FBI's hiring practices.

829
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: The FBI was not hiring women agents at this point,

830
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: but it was like around the time they were starting

831
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: to consider it. So there's I think, I think that's

832
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: kind of the vibe she's going for. They say yes.

833
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: She goes in two weeks before the burglary, and she

834
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: plays the role of the kind of dumb girl who

835
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: flatters the guy a lot, which men always fall for.

836
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm discussed like my whole persona. It's amazing how consistently

837
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: this works. Persona. Whenever I do, like, you know, field

838
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: pieces if I have to play them the journalist and

839
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: get disarm people and then smile and pretend like you

840
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: don't understand. Yeah, yeah, but massive pieces of shit. Yeah

841
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: oh I don't mean that in a bag you Yeah no, no, no,

842
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: it's embarrassing for them exactly. Yeah. That that it that

843
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: men always fall for. It is what's embarrassing. Yeah. She

844
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: wears gloves the whole time to avoid leaving fingerprints. It's

845
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: February in Pennsylvania, so it must have gone unnoticed, very unnoticed. Yes,

846
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: she wore her hair up in a way. She'd never

847
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: worn it at any anti war demo, so whenever she

848
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: went to an anti war demo, she kept her hair

849
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: in two braids. Um, but she like wore it up

850
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: in a very different way in order to be avoid

851
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: matched to photos, which literally saved them. All of these

852
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: details saved them because there was a massive investigation, and

853
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: she went in and she was like high receptionist guy,

854
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: can I see an application for him? To get him

855
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: to go to the filing cabinet to see if it

856
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 1: was locked or not. She which it wasn't. She visually

857
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: traced every single wire she saw to figure out which

858
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: ones were phones, which ones were air conditioners, and that

859
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: none of them were alarm wires. She saw that the

860
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: second door of the hallway was blocked by a huge,

861
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: heavy filing cabinet. She just fucking does it. She's just

862
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: such a good job casing the place. And then a

863
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: few days before it, another really big bad thing happens.

864
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: Someone chickens out. There was a ninth person who was

865
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: never even named. It all this I think his name

866
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: is Peter or something. He backs out, even though he

867
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: knows all of it and he could have exposed them.

868
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: They kept they keep going, and then this part feels

869
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: like I'm making it up. I'm not right before it,

870
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: like a couple of days before it, William David and

871
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: who he's invited to the Whitehouse to meet Kissinger. Yes, yes,

872
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: go go yeah, but why like as an olive bridge,

873
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: what are they why do they want and we need

874
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: a physicist. It's a it's like a publicity stunt to

875
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: show that he's it's it's one. It's to show that

876
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: he like is talking to the anti war left, because

877
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: Kissinger at this point is playing both sides. This is

878
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: before Kissinger is just a like bomb them all and

879
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: let him God, let God sort him out. He's doing that,

880
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 1: but he's like, oh, I really hate that I'm bombing everyone.

881
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: It's so hard for Yeah, yeah, I love that. I yes,

882
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: I love it. He's Oh, this guy's mild mannered. Let's

883
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: let's invite him. I don't be a great photo opportunity.

884
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: And it's also to show that he's not afraid of

885
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: the kidnapping plot. Oh god, we're still on that at

886
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,959
Speaker 1: huh yeah, So William David Daviden goes in with someone

887
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: whose name is frustratingly David sin rather than David in stop.

888
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: I think they need more names. You can't just take

889
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: a letter out and call it a new name. Absolutely

890
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: talking to you, George, RR, Martin and M. And then

891
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: a nun who whose name I didn't write down because

892
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm a jerk, because it didn't the only reason I

893
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: wrote down Davidson's name is because it annoyed me. They

894
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: talk about the war. The anti war activists are like

895
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: the war is bad. Kissinger's like I'm listening to what

896
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: you're saying. And then um oh and then the whole

897
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: time like um, David and comes in with buttons in

898
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: his bag. Let's say kidnap Kissinger question mark if everyone

899
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: finds its hilarious, So the guards put on kidnap Kissinger

900
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: like badges is this? Like He's like, I was gonna

901
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: tell a really long joke about it, but I just

902
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: my wife said you're just to make buttons instead. So

903
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: kidnap that's probably what happened. Yeah, yeah, that's really funny.

904
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: Wait what he brought buttons to the kidnap? What happened like, why,

905
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: what did they did? They freak the fuck out? No,

906
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: he so he goes through the metal detector and it

907
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: picks up the buttons. So they take them out and

908
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: they all have a laugh and the guards put on

909
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: the badges. Yeah, and then they get chewed the fuck

910
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: out later by higher ups for having done this. So

911
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: and then you know, they left. Kissinger went on to

912
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: keep blowing up innocent people everywhere and frustratingly live. That's

913
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: a thing. He's famous for still being alive one day.

914
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this in the future, maybe you

915
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: can look back and smile and say the things have changed.

916
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: Then the day came. The rains are a bit late

917
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: because their babysitter was late, which is the most relatable

918
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: part of this whole thing. John the husband guy, he's

919
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: sick with worry. I feel you, John. They all meet

920
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 1: up at a motel they've rented. One of them rented

921
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: this place with their legal name. It's sort of a

922
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: miracle this didn't get them caught. Oh WHOA totally against protocol. Yeah.

923
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: The thought was that they were like, if we do this,

924
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,919
Speaker 1: it'll like seem more normal, even nothing to hide or whatever.

925
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: But like it's like literally they like cross reference the

926
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: names of everyone who checked out hotels in that area

927
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: versus like names of suspects and anti war people, and

928
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: it's like literally a coincidence. That are literally luck that

929
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't noticed, you know. And Susan Smith, the woman

930
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: who not the murderer but the one who built a cabinet,

931
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: was this was the first time in years she'd worn

932
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: a skirt and it was the last time she ever

933
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: did so in her life. Oh bless her. Yeah. Meanwhile,

934
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: in Madison Square Garden, Ali and Fraser meet up to

935
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: duke it out, and the world was glued themselves. They

936
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: glued themselves to radios and TVs. Three hundred million people

937
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: were watching or listening all over the world. People are

938
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: watching except in the US because you're not allowed to

939
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: watch it in the US. Excuse me. The promoters wanted

940
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,959
Speaker 1: as much money as possible, so you could only watch

941
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: it in the US by going to the Madison Square

942
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: Garden or going to one of three hundred theaters that

943
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: was broadcasting it. So people in the US were glued

944
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: to their radios. I know other countries, literally entire governments

945
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: would pay in order to let it get broadcasts. For

946
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 1: free to their population. Oh we've been nickel and diming

947
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: people on this page. They didn't even have pay per

948
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: view at that point. It's like the precursor to a

949
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: pay per view. Yeah, but I'm sure people were listening

950
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: on the radio, not even is it one of those

951
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: like everyone's listening on the radio, Which is how we

952
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: know about co intel pro is because everyone was too

953
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: busy listening to the radio to notice a break in.

954
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: Keith the lock pick goes first. His job is to

955
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: open the door and then get the fuck out of there.

956
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: He has a brief case of tools. Each one's wrapped

957
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: to keep it silent. He has normal leather gloves over

958
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: rubber gloves underneath because he needs to take off the

959
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: leather gloves in order to pick the lock. And he

960
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: picks the lock, and then he noticed there was a

961
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: second lock two which he hadn't noticed, and it was

962
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: a high security lock that he couldn't pick. He freaks out.

963
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,959
Speaker 1: He goes back to the hotel and he's like, fuck

964
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: are we gonna do? And everyone's like, I don't know

965
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 1: what the fuck are we gonna do? And then finally

966
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, let's just break down the door.

967
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: Fuck it like in for a penny. So he goes

968
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: back and he goes to the second door, the one

969
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: that has blocked by a filing cabinet, and he rips

970
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: out the dead bolt or the crowbar, but then there's

971
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: the filing cabinet. So he goes back to the car.

972
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: He gets a long bar for an old fashioned jack stand.

973
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: He goes back inside. He lays down on the floor

974
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: and he like lifts and walks the filing cabinet over

975
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: with his back on the floor and a long bar

976
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 1: under the door. It's really lucky that no one walked

977
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: by while he's doing this. I'm sorry, sir, are you

978
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: supposed to be here? It looks like you're playing limbo

979
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: with that. Finally gets oh, yeah, no, just you know,

980
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: mister Hoover is he's always there was a paperback here

981
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: and I'm just here a fine little miss. Don't you worry.

982
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: You're pretty little. I hear there's a fight on. I

983
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: bet you can still catch the end of it. Yeah.

984
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: I don't really like I don't really like boxing. Just

985
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: go watch a goddamn fight. Yeah, listen, I mean listen,

986
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: so Keith. He gets the filing cabinet out of the way.

987
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: He goes inside, he moves the filing cabalotle but further

988
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: so everyone get through. His part is done. He drives

989
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: off out of the hotel and into history, well into

990
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: obscurity for forty years. And then that is a huge

991
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: part more than Keith signed up for. Keith could have

992
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: called it at any point and instead going yeah, no,

993
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: I I really that crime brain of like when you're

994
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: doing something really sketchy as an activist and you're like, well,

995
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this, so I really need to disassociate

996
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: and get this done. It's a powerful feeling that I

997
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't want to say everyone should have

998
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: at some point in their life because it sucks. But right,

999
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean things, things are not going to go to plan,

1000
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, but I'm not actually hurting anybody, This

1001
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: doesn't right, I've already picked the lock once, so suspicions

1002
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: on them anyway, right, right, totally, So yeah, it's not

1003
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: You're going to get investigated no matter what. No, no, exactly.

1004
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: That's a that's such a good point. Four burglars head

1005
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: to the office. They slip inside with luggage sized suitcases

1006
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: in their business clothes, and they just rob everything. They

1007
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: take every file out of the place. They rip open

1008
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: the locked cabinets with screwdrivers because some of them are locked,

1009
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: some of them aren't. They work mostly in the dark

1010
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: to avoid flashlights showing through the blinds. There's like one

1011
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: person with the flashlights going over and like holding his

1012
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: hand over the light as each person needs it. Damn.

1013
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: They don't leave a single fingerprint. They called the motel

1014
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: from the office's phone, which blows my mind, in order

1015
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: to give a signal. But it worked. It wasn't their

1016
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: own phone wasn't tapped, I guess. And it's just some

1017
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: that's just some seventy fifty year ago shit. You know

1018
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: you couldn't star sixty nine, you dumb dumb I don't

1019
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: ironically sixty nine Star sixty nine, not a thing star

1020
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: sent one, Yeah, exactly. And so the rest of them

1021
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: is outside in getaway cars. And then Bonnie, who is

1022
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: really good at playing the like dumb helpless woman who's

1023
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: smartest shit, She is hanging out outside with her car

1024
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: fake broken down with the hood up, like being like, oh,

1025
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: how does this work? Getting ready in case a cop

1026
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: or someone comes to distract. The buttons come undone as well, yeah, exactly, Um, yeah,

1027
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: it's not necessary. They load the suitcases into trunks of cars,

1028
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: they drive away, and they go to another parking lot.

1029
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: They swap cars. They split up to reconvene later, and

1030
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: they don't go back to the motel. They go to

1031
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: a farmhouse that they were lent by friends of the podcast,

1032
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: the Quaker community. Hey, the Quakers are like, you need

1033
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: you need a farmhouse, no questions asked. Of course, you

1034
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: can have it. And one of the their final escape

1035
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 1: cars was an old fashioned station wagon I think with

1036
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: the wood paneling and everything. The photo is black and white,

1037
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: so I'm not certain, but I really love those old

1038
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: station wagons with wood paneling, so I wanted to be

1039
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: that it was the Rain's family car. Oh yeah, I

1040
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, that's a perfect family getaway car. Yeah.

1041
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:22,959
Speaker 1: Nobody suspects that car. Yeah, exactly. And the whole time

1042
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: they're like, God, I hope this hunch was right, that

1043
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: there's anything worthwhile in these files that were ripping out

1044
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: of some tiny office, and there was. Within an hour,

1045
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: they go to the farmhouse and they all just start

1046
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: pouring through the documents. Within an hour, they make their

1047
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: first discovery and I think it's worth highlighting that this

1048
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: is the first thing they found, because I think it's

1049
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: one of the most important things. They found, a memo

1050
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: advising agents to quote enhance the paranoia, that there's an

1051
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: quote an FBI agent behind every mailbox. They read until

1052
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: five am. Then they went about their lives to avoid suspicion.

1053
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: So like everyone like showing up at work the next

1054
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: day on State Brooks. I think it's fascinating they immediately

1055
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: got to work like that they maybe knew they had

1056
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: limited time, but that it wasn't like right, like their

1057
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: work wasn't done once they got whatever they got from there,

1058
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: they were like, no, no, we're trying to read and

1059
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: digest as much as we can as fast as possible, right.

1060
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: And I almost decided to make this a four parter

1061
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,479
Speaker 1: and didn't do it because there's a bunch of stuff

1062
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to skip over here about like how hard

1063
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: it is for them to get anyone to listen to

1064
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: them about this, and like there's like a lot of

1065
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot more shit. One guy, the grad student.

1066
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: He stays to guard the student the documents twenty four

1067
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: seven at the farmhouse, and then one of them calls

1068
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: a reporter at six thirty in the morning from a

1069
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: pay phone to announce what they've done. It's a pretty

1070
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: good statement, but one line of it stands out. Quote,

1071
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: we believe that a law and order which depends on

1072
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: intimidation and repression to secure obedience can have but one name,

1073
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: and that name is tyranny. It's fucking cool and one

1074
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: of the mild man things that they do. They actually

1075
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: throw out all the documents that are about like regular crime. Mm. Nice.

1076
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: They like they're like not trying to expose all FBI

1077
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: agents or something, right, They're specifically focusing on co intel

1078
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: pro which they don't even know if this is how

1079
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: we learn about it, but like they don't know it

1080
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: exists yet. They're just like, we know your asses are

1081
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: tapping us. We know that you guys are on peace activists,

1082
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: civil rights activists, so we want to find proof. Yeah,

1083
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: And so they delivered the biggest blow the FBI has

1084
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: ever received. Two one night, two hundred agents were transferred

1085
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: to Philly to track down the files. They're given so

1086
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: much overtime that they all like bought sports cars and shit.

1087
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: Their first suspect was the reporter because the reporter called

1088
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: the FBI and was like, whoa is it? Truely your

1089
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: office was broken into and they're like, how do you

1090
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: know that? Soon they had three main suspects, the unknown

1091
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: woman who had come in who you know was one

1092
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: of the burglars, that guy John Grady, who is the

1093
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: obvious would be leader, and the other guy who dropped

1094
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: out at the last minute, which means it's good that

1095
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,479
Speaker 1: that guy dropped out at the last minute. Hell yeah,

1096
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: poor guy. He was like, damn it, I know I

1097
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: could have just done it anyway. I know he was

1098
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: followed twenty four seven for months afterwards. Soon after, they're

1099
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: investigating every hippie and anti war protester and Catholic peace

1100
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: activists they can imagine, and it's so unfocused and frantic

1101
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: that it's ineffective because they search, they investigate everybody. They

1102
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: investigate four of the burglars, right, but they don't. They're

1103
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: investigating so many people that they don't get anywhere. I mean,

1104
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: this is like then you low and behold like whatever.

1105
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: Fifty years later you get warrantless wire tapping and like

1106
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: meta whatever, what was it? Metadata or just like the

1107
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: amount of information the NSA had or has on us

1108
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: and it's like to what end ye dingdong? I know what.

1109
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: Unfortunately AI is going to help that for them. God

1110
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: damn it, don't say that. Yeah. Two of the people

1111
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: who wound up on the suspect list were the super

1112
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: cool anarchists Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn because they worked

1113
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 1: with an organization. Oh, Noam Chomsky is still live. That's

1114
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: another are still alive? Persons? Come on? Chomsky beat Kissinger? Yes, please,

1115
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: God damn it. They worked with an organization called Resist

1116
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: that agreed to accept the documents anonymously and remail them.

1117
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: For the actual burglars ended up contacted and investigated to

1118
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: no avail. After the FBI visits, the activists learned what

1119
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: all activists eventually learn. If the FBI visits you, it

1120
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: means they don't have enough evidence to indict you. If

1121
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: they know you actually did something, they don't visit they

1122
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: arrest you. So you keep your mouth shut and you'll

1123
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: probably be fine. If you're visited by the FBI, dear

1124
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: listener politely declined to talk to them. Tell them that

1125
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: if they provide their name and information that you will

1126
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: have your lawyer contact them, take their information, and then

1127
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: contact lawyer The National Lawyers Guild runs a hotline for

1128
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: free legal advice for those who have been contacted by

1129
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: um by the FBI. Thank you, Yeah Solid PSA. They

1130
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: mailed out the documents and then agreed to go no

1131
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: contact with each other for the rest of their lives,

1132
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: except for the husband and wife. I know. So they

1133
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: kind of got lucky because they're the only two who

1134
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: can actually talk to anyone about what the fuck they did. Seriously, Okay,

1135
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: keep going, Sorry, I'm in thrall. No, no, no. The

1136
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: homemade lockpicks befuddled the experts because they couldn't identify them,

1137
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: so the FEDS demanded lists of every student from every

1138
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: lock picking school in several states, the lock picking University, Like,

1139
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: I know, it's everyone knows. The way that you learn

1140
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: lockpicking is you watch that guy Devan Olaf on YouTube

1141
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 1: and he teaches you. Like, I don't understand why they

1142
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: didn't just do that back in the day. You learn

1143
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: shit by just being bored to fucking tears and fumbling

1144
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: and you're bored and you're bored. Ah, you know everything

1145
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: a rubics cube and it should return to be just

1146
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: a rubics cube. The burglars tried to copy the documents,

1147
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: but the copier they'd bought for this, like well ahead

1148
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: of time, was absolute shit. So in order to get

1149
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: rid of the copier because they knew it could be traced,

1150
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: an accomplice drove the shitty machine to Ohio and left

1151
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: it in a friend's garage, like one of those garages

1152
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: filled with drunk and Ohio you know, oh yeah, where

1153
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: it is probably still to this day. I love that weight.

1154
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: They bought a cop that's so much money, that's a

1155
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: huge investment, and of course it craps out. Yeah. So

1156
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: instead the burglars copy the documents at work, release their

1157
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: findings a bit by bit to the media to draw

1158
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: evermore attention to them, and the Washington Broke Post broke

1159
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: the story. Other papers rushed to follow. The FBI's reputation

1160
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: has forever been scarred. People know what they're about now,

1161
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: what most people do. Author Max Holland said, far from

1162
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: being invincible, the FBI appeared merely petty, obsessed with monitoring

1163
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: what seemed to be in many cases, lawful descent. They

1164
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: shut down Cointel pro officially. It took a couple of years.

1165
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: It was like a bunch of investigations and shit with

1166
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: the claim that all further disinformation campaigns would be conducted

1167
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: on a case by case basis maybe true, but they

1168
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: do an awful lot of fun creative this day. The

1169
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: main difference now is that we know their playbook, we

1170
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: know better how to cover it, how to counter it.

1171
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: So they didn't even know what this straight up led

1172
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: to the end of co Intel pro at least the

1173
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: actual official program, the official program, even though of course, yeah,

1174
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 1: they employ similar tactics. That's incredible. So, like, we know

1175
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: this is happening. We know our phones were tapped, we

1176
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: know you're infiltrating, we know you are sowing discent within

1177
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: these organizations that have led to straight murders of people.

1178
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: We just need the proof. Yeah, and also like the

1179
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: scale of it, right, Like they didn't know about the

1180
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: injecting lax of lives into oranges until they got these documents,

1181
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: you know, like like and it's also awful because they

1182
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: found they found out that there is an FBI agent

1183
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: behind every mailbox. But they also found out that the

1184
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: entire point is to make people worry that there's an

1185
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: FBI agent behind every mailbox, you know, I mean this

1186
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: is the thing about like, you know, it's so funny

1187
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: about you know, our obsession with foreigners like meddling in

1188
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 1: our democracy. It's like, bitch, we do that to one another,

1189
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: to ourselves, Yeah, like exactly, you know, like cut everyone

1190
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: in on it. You know the Russian Chinese, they just

1191
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: went in. It's not like one lead by example. You know,

1192
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: once we can quit, then maybe others will quit. Yeah

1193
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: that's for our heroes. No, go ahead, Oh yeah, please

1194
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: tell us of our heroes. Most of them went on

1195
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: living their lives all normal and ship keeping their heads low.

1196
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: One of them, the nineteen year old Judy Finegold, the

1197
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: lesbian Quaker. She took off with a backpack and a

1198
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: sleeping bag, went out west and never came back. She

1199
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: lived underground for about a decade, and then she started

1200
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: working in the National parks. She like contacted the lawyer

1201
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: and was like, yo, would it be like really bad

1202
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: if I had committed the following type of crime ten

1203
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: years ago to come out, And the lawyer was like,

1204
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure. Even though the statute of limitations

1205
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: was officially five years five yeah. Nine. Anyway, none of

1206
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: them ever connected with one another again, which is a

1207
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: huge part of how they weren't caught they finally came forward,

1208
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,959
Speaker 1: most of them to talk with a journalist named Betty Medsker,

1209
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: who wrote the book about all of this, The Burglary

1210
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: Judy didn't actually come forward until the paperback edition. Basically

1211
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: a couple people came forward and everyone was like, wait,

1212
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 1: I thought we weren't going to talk about what we're

1213
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: talking about this now? Yeah. And when I say until

1214
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: the paperback came out, she's like, it's not real until

1215
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 1: the paperbacks out. Well, I'm not going to spend thirty

1216
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 1: five dollars book. Once the hardback came out, she contacted

1217
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: and was like all right, me too, Oh, got it,

1218
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: got it, got it. And then she was included. She

1219
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: was like, okay, I needed She was out there, you know,

1220
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 1: working the just like working one of like basically I

1221
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: imagine her in like Yosemite or in like Yellowstone or whatnot,

1222
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: more like Yosemite, just sort of leading tours, you know, yeah,

1223
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 1: totally just kind of like that gray haired like park

1224
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: ranger hippie lady who's like, you know, telling you about

1225
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: the different species of you know, birds and the different

1226
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 1: like bark kinds of bark and you're like, okay, lady,

1227
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: that's enough Yeah. Yeah, that bit. That's a badass bitch

1228
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, that bitch broke into the FBI. Yeah exactly.

1229
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: I love that. You just have to think all of

1230
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: these like random people, like people can have these amazing secrets.

1231
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: You know. Oh, I would definitely work in the National

1232
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 1: Parks for the rest of my life if yeah, I

1233
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: did something like this. Yeah. And when I say keep

1234
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: their heads down, I really mean keep doing what were doing.

1235
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: Two of them got arrested that same year, in nineteen

1236
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 1: seventy one as part of the Camden twenty eight. Another

1237
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: Catholic left raid on a draft board. That's right, And

1238
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 1: you have to because that's the best cover if you

1239
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: just disappeared, right if the because the Barrigans were involved,

1240
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 1: right yeah, not in this actually, oh not in the burglary.

1241
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: They're involved in the Catholic left. Yah. But the David

1242
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: didn't did David didn's if the David did, If David

1243
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: didn't just stopped doing David in stuff. As soon as

1244
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: the FBI got broken into, Yeah, yeah, people will be

1245
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: like what the hell? And or maybe that meeting with

1246
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 1: Kissinger worked, you know, he's like I converted him. Yeah,

1247
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:44,799
Speaker 1: maybe Kissinger was secretly behind it the whole time. Kissinger, Yeah,

1248
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:49,560
Speaker 1: um swoke. Kissinger is trying to argue that he's responsible

1249
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 1: for the anti Vietnam War movement. He was like, you see,

1250
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: I did the war and then then then now you

1251
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: have the movement. Yeah, exactly, like he really wanted to.

1252
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 1: It was accelerationists, that's all. I love it. So the

1253
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: Camden twenty eight, forty FBI agents watched all of it

1254
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: happened because one of the twenty eight was a snitch,

1255
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: and so the FBI paid for all their burglary tools

1256
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 1: and shit, the stuff that we've been talking about about

1257
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: how the FBI creates these situations. The Camden twenty eight

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Speaker 1: included priests, ministers, vets, blue collar workers, middle aged parents.

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Speaker 1: All twenty eight agreed to be tried together and they

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Speaker 1: were facing more than forty years. They were offered a

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Speaker 1: really light plea bargain and they refused it. And this

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Speaker 1: is like, that's some hard shit. If someone's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you can either stand up for your principles and take

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Speaker 1: forty years maybe, or get off on probation and say

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Speaker 1: you're sorry. I might say I'm sorry. The Camden twenty eight,

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Speaker 1: they're made a harder shit. They all refused the plea bargain.

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Speaker 1: They all decided to be tried together. And sometime during

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Speaker 1: all of this, the priests and the nuns started calling

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Speaker 1: it instead of civil disobedience, divine obedience, I think is

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Speaker 1: a clever turn of phrase. And their snitch had a

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Speaker 1: change of heart and testified for the defense, revealing even

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Speaker 1: more about how the FEDS had set everyone up. So

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy three, two years later, the jury returned

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Speaker 1: a not guilty verdict, which was jury nullification. The jurors

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Speaker 1: were like, we don't care that they did it, they

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Speaker 1: just shouldn't be punished. We're voting not guilty. Wow. And

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Speaker 1: because the FBI involvement, because it's a big part of it,

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Speaker 1: I think yeah, And basically, be people, the fucking the

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Speaker 1: people of the US were sick of this ship at

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Speaker 1: this point. You know, absolutely, the FBI have been outed

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Speaker 1: is not the good guys, And and that I think

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Speaker 1: is the most important thing. I mean, this is a

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Speaker 1: heel turn in from from like, oh, the FBI is

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Speaker 1: like looking out for us or to set super cool. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they're going after you know, like harden criminals

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Speaker 1: and Nope, priests and nuns and peace activists, and so

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Speaker 1: it's like we have this moment to thank for just

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Speaker 1: our complete understanding of the FBI in general. Yep. And

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Speaker 1: that's the story of how a bunch of pacifists expose

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Speaker 1: the FBI for what they are by lying on their

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Speaker 1: back in a hallway with a tire iron moving a

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Speaker 1: heavy piece of furniture. Has this been fictionalized? I don't believe. So.

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Speaker 1: I think there is a documentary about it. I do

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Speaker 1: this weird thing where I like, I consume a lot

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Speaker 1: of media when I prepare things, but I usually don't

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Speaker 1: watch the documentaries. I'm not sure why. Yeah, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I think it's like I want to build my own

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Speaker 1: narrative out of things and then like, so I go

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Speaker 1: for the books and the articles sometimes podcasts, but I

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Speaker 1: don't watch the documentaries usually. But no, this one makes

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Speaker 1: such a good straight up heist movie. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to the document he is probably great. I'm not talking shit,

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Speaker 1: but I want to watch the heist movie. Yes, that's

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Speaker 1: what I want to watch. Yeah, everyone's all like sexed up,

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Speaker 1: you know. I feel like Luke Wilson is is key.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm laughing. I like name all these actors.

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Speaker 1: Does not know Bob Cat gold Wig, it will be

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Speaker 1: one of them, yeah, Goldwin, I know that actor Goldweight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh he definitely would be involved. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: I mean who would play the who would play David

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Speaker 1: in just kind of like um, nondescript and sweet. I

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Speaker 1: feel like Toby maguire could do it. Well, Sophie, I'm

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Speaker 1: tapping you in because you know what I was thinking of.

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Speaker 1: Michael Sarah Michael, Oh shit, I know that one why

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Speaker 1: he is huge. I think Michael Sarah should be the

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Speaker 1: the lock pick. Yeah yeah, yeah, Sarah can be in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, exactly, but like someone who's got to be

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Speaker 1: very like um oh, first of all, he did play

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Speaker 1: he like I think he did play like sort of

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Speaker 1: a very religious Jew in a show that I actually

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Speaker 1: didn't like about, like called The Divorce or something. But um,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm gonna fuck it because I'm um,

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Speaker 1: I'm blinking on his name. It's fine, We're fine. I

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Speaker 1: want the lesbian love triangle where the um, the lesbian

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Speaker 1: Quaker is seducing the why the Housewife? Yeah, Sarah Paulson,

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Speaker 1: maybe sure, you have no idea, You have no idea?

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Speaker 1: Who that is that's cool. I even watch a lot

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Speaker 1: of movies. I'm just incapable of remembering names faces, but

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Speaker 1: also could also be a SHIV from Succession Sarah Snook.

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Speaker 1: She's so good, She's so good. It's okay, Margaret, anyways,

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Speaker 1: before Mapie anymore? Do you have anything you'd like to plug? Yes, um,

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Speaker 1: I would like to plug the name of this actor? Okay,

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Speaker 1: what is it? Oscar Isaac? Oh, my god, should be

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Speaker 1: Oscar Isaac. Sorry, he's so handsome, he'd be so good

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Speaker 1: as David in that. I can't remember. I can't believe

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Speaker 1: I forgot it. I can't remember anything. I've got mom brain, Um,

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Speaker 1: get everyone like, yeah, he's from Dune and listen to

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Speaker 1: the Bituation Room podcast. That's with me, follow me on

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Speaker 1: all the things at Frannifio. Um and hell yeah, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for having me, Margaret, I love, love

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Speaker 1: love this. Yeah, thanks for coming on more bravery. We

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Speaker 1: need to do this again, I know. Do you think

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Speaker 1: they change the lot? Do you think they like they

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Speaker 1: got wiser? Maybe the FBI, But it was I love

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Speaker 1: what a what an ego blow? It was like I

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Speaker 1: want Hoover's like I want to feel his little like

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Speaker 1: you know, like he must have been so mad. Oh yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I if I had gotten to do the super long version,

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Speaker 1: there's just all of the things about him freaking out

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Speaker 1: about how all this happened and just like doing wild

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01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: petty shit and closing down all these offices and freaking out.

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Speaker 1: He lost his shit over this at day, mad asshole. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he died like a year later, unfortunately on relatedly,

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Speaker 1: but you know, so if you guys thinking the plug, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can buy Margaret's books. Oh yeah, it's my plug.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, you can buy my book Escape from Insul

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Speaker 1: Island or a Country at Ghosts or we Won't be

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Speaker 1: Here Tomorrow or some other ones, and you can listen. Oh,

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Speaker 1: my other podcast is going weekly, Live Like the World

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Speaker 1: Is Dying. If you were like, man, I sure love

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Speaker 1: listening to Margaret twice a week. If only I could

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Speaker 1: listen to Margaret three times a week. Well you can

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Speaker 1: by listening to Live Like the World is Dying on

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Speaker 1: Fridays and a secret fourth thing that I can't tell

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Speaker 1: you about yet, but you'll be able to listen. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea what sounded, so what I got was no,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's the Sophie, Yeah, I tried, and

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Speaker 1: we'll be back. We'll be back next week. Yep yep,

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Speaker 1: yep ye Bye bye. Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff

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Speaker 1: is a production of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts

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