Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heart
Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I'm
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison. I hope everybody has had an amazing holiday
Speaker 1: week and weekend. Um, I spent some time with the family,
Speaker 1: was up with the kids at TCU. My son had
Speaker 1: a couple of cross games. Congrats to the boys for
Speaker 1: winning both their big games. UM, Lauren was not with me.
Speaker 1: She went with me last week and we did the
Speaker 1: sports stuff. Getting her to do that twice that was
Speaker 1: a big ask. And she took a girl's trip this week.
Speaker 1: And if you've been following her social media, which you should,
Speaker 1: by the way, if you're not following l Z on
Speaker 1: social you're missing out maybe the most entertaining social media
Speaker 1: site ever. But it's something we really believe in. We've
Speaker 1: always believed in. Is is having our separate lives and
Speaker 1: taking those girls trips, taking those boys trips, and you know,
Speaker 1: they they feed your soul in ways that I can't.
Speaker 1: And so I appreciate that, and I appreciate she has
Speaker 1: dear friends that she really has had for most of
Speaker 1: her adult life. And I think that's important. And I
Speaker 1: remember I was actually dating somebody early on after my divorce,
Speaker 1: and they had no girlfriends, no very few friends at all,
Speaker 1: and I thought, that's that is a red flag. So
Speaker 1: one of the things I love about Elzi is she
Speaker 1: has so many dear friends in her life that she
Speaker 1: makes a priority and wants to spend time with. So
Speaker 1: Lzi is not going to be with me today. Filling
Speaker 1: in and joining me today is Tor Spelling Donna Martin
Speaker 1: nine O two one oh fame. There are so many
Speaker 1: things I want to talk to Tori about, and I
Speaker 1: am excited that she's joining us on the show. So,
Speaker 1: without further ado, Hey Tori, how you doing today? Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for being here. Hi Chris Harrison, we
Speaker 1: have never met, we are we haven't watch you every week?
Speaker 1: I guess well, our paths have never crossed. I thought
Speaker 1: about this today. I'm like, and I probably have interviewed
Speaker 1: you at some point when I was doing red carpet stuff,
Speaker 1: but or we've probably been at the same event. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we've never had the opportunity to spend some time together.
Speaker 1: And so I am so happy to get to spend
Speaker 1: a little time with you today and get to know
Speaker 1: you in the and chat and then I have to
Speaker 1: say your whole name every time I talk to you,
Speaker 1: because I just you're just Chris Harrison to me. So
Speaker 1: it happens. And by the way, it's okay, that's what
Speaker 1: people do that in public. Uh. Lauren's EMA does not
Speaker 1: do that to me, thankfully, but speaking of it would
Speaker 1: be awkward. Elz is not here. She is on a
Speaker 1: girl's trip. And usually we kicked the show off by
Speaker 1: doing headlines. And so if you don't mind, you want
Speaker 1: to jump in and do headlines with me, I would
Speaker 1: love it. The first one we're going to talk about
Speaker 1: is this Megan Fox story. Obviously, her and machine Gun
Speaker 1: Kelly uh broke up and she got off Instagram, just
Speaker 1: got got done with it, pulled it off, but she
Speaker 1: came back. Megan Fox reactivated her Instagram accounts Sunday and
Speaker 1: shared a post noting that there was no cheating involved
Speaker 1: in her relationship with Machine Gun Kelly. So days after,
Speaker 1: she deleted all the photos of herself and and machine Gun.
Speaker 1: Do we call a machine gun? Um? I think we do? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Mr gunn uh m g K from her profile, so
Speaker 1: she removed all all the Instagram then she posted there
Speaker 1: has been no third party interference. In this relationship of
Speaker 1: any kind that includes, but is not limited to actual
Speaker 1: humans d M s a I bots or succubus demons.
Speaker 1: While I do hate to rob you of running random,
Speaker 1: baseless news stories that would have been much more accurately
Speaker 1: written by chat g pt uh, you need to let
Speaker 1: this story die and leave all of these innocent people alone. Now,
Speaker 1: First of all, I love the sense of humor, but Tory,
Speaker 1: what's your take on this? So I did a deep dive.
Speaker 1: I went down the rabbit hole on Sunday because I
Speaker 1: was not watching football. So I literally I r L
Speaker 1: in real type, I R I r D. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: real time, I was in real life. I was like
Speaker 1: watching this happen, and I went on to Instagram and
Speaker 1: people were still like saying, oh my god, she's like
Speaker 1: the burning of the letter and all that. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, her Instagram disappeared and they weren't
Speaker 1: putting it on the news. I was looking at the
Speaker 1: news feed simultaneously. Why I was doing this, I don't know. Sorry,
Speaker 1: really bored, but um yeah, I watched her Instagram disappeared
Speaker 1: and I was fascinated by this. And then there was
Speaker 1: all that talk that you followed three people. It was
Speaker 1: eminem Um, one other and Timothy Shallow me, which I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, that's a very mg K reference. I
Speaker 1: feel like that could be her next it seemed personal
Speaker 1: taking um. But yeah, this whole thing played out interferences.
Speaker 1: Odd that she puts that because it happened during the
Speaker 1: super Bowl, I would say, kind of took over the
Speaker 1: super Bowl news except for Rihanna. Well, but what do
Speaker 1: you think about her only coming back to say, hey,
Speaker 1: there's no third party, he wasn't cheating. I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have a lot of feelings about
Speaker 1: this because I keep looking the person they're talking about,
Speaker 1: a Sophie Lloyd, who's guitarist, and then if you look
Speaker 1: at his ex Summer Ray, if you meld the three
Speaker 1: of them together, there one person really, one beautiful person,
Speaker 1: by the way, one hot person. Yeah. I kind of
Speaker 1: have a hot take on this. Okay, what is it?
Speaker 1: And it was it got kind of personal for me,
Speaker 1: and I felt I liked that she did this, and
Speaker 1: here's why. So I went through a very public divorce
Speaker 1: after being married for seventeen years, two kids and all
Speaker 1: this stuff, and being the host of the show. I
Speaker 1: was hosting the Batchelor Bachelrette series. Obviously, everything quickly went to, oh,
Speaker 1: he's probably cheating, He's probably you know, sleeping around with
Speaker 1: these girls, and that's probably what has driven the wedge
Speaker 1: between him. That's instantly what everybody ran to, and that
Speaker 1: couldn't have been further from the truth. And as much
Speaker 1: as the tabloids tried to make that happen, they couldn't
Speaker 1: make that story stick. And actually, my ex wife and
Speaker 1: I had this conversation because it was very amicable and
Speaker 1: we were still on talking terms. She said, you want
Speaker 1: me to say something, and this was back during our divorce.
Speaker 1: She said, you want me to go public and actually
Speaker 1: make a statement like this, And we decided no. I said,
Speaker 1: you know, when you throw more gasoline on the fire,
Speaker 1: it's just only gonna exacerbate this. That was my feeling
Speaker 1: at the time. But I respected the fact that she
Speaker 1: had thought that through as well and was willing to
Speaker 1: make that statement public. And so I kind of respect
Speaker 1: the fact that Megan could have been a martyr. She
Speaker 1: could have said just let this stuff go and everyone, oh,
Speaker 1: whoa was Megan Fox and he's cheating on her, and
Speaker 1: she could have gotten the sympathy vote, but she didn't
Speaker 1: do that. She took that away to make this statement.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's the reason she did it,
Speaker 1: but I respect that only because it kind of hit
Speaker 1: home for me. I understand that. And um, yeah, I
Speaker 1: went through a very public divorce as well, and you know,
Speaker 1: you always wish it was handled like you and your ex.
Speaker 1: That is great. Um, you're right. Megan is no victim,
Speaker 1: and she never plays that card. Um, she says it
Speaker 1: like it is. I don't know though, that there wasn't
Speaker 1: something going on here. And you know what, you make
Speaker 1: a really good point. It's always the man that they
Speaker 1: say is the person doing it. What if it's the woman?
Speaker 1: You know, what if she cheated on him. I don't
Speaker 1: know the actual percentage, but it is either equal, I
Speaker 1: think even larger. That more females, more women cheat on
Speaker 1: their spouses than men. Right there, you go. What if
Speaker 1: the dishonesty was like he said, he took the trash
Speaker 1: out but he didn't. Right, But that that's that's immediately
Speaker 1: what it went to. Well, it's it's you know, on
Speaker 1: the like the tabloids, and you and I are no
Speaker 1: stranger to this. Go straight to that obviously it's juicy,
Speaker 1: it gets headlines, and then whether it's true or not
Speaker 1: really doesn't matter because then they can report on if
Speaker 1: it's not true. And again, this one thing that Megan
Speaker 1: did do is now give this story legs. Now people
Speaker 1: can write about this, and that's what they want. And
Speaker 1: that's why we chose to remain silent, because I knew
Speaker 1: there was no validity to my bs, and I knew
Speaker 1: it would blow away. As much as they were trying
Speaker 1: to call around town and see who I was sleeping
Speaker 1: around with, I knew there was nothing there, so I
Speaker 1: knew it would go away. And it helps when you can,
Speaker 1: you know, put your head down at night and there's
Speaker 1: no skeletons in your closet. But I found it interesting
Speaker 1: that she only came back just to say this and
Speaker 1: did it with a great sense of humor as well.
Speaker 1: She always has a really fun, dark sense of humor,
Speaker 1: which I appreciate because I think she's hot. I've only
Speaker 1: met her once when she she came in and I interviewed,
Speaker 1: I think I'm actually talking to Brian Austin Green, someone
Speaker 1: you know, and um, she came in with him, and
Speaker 1: so I met her years and years ago. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know her. I actually worked with Megan
Speaker 1: years ago on a series. This is how funny. They
Speaker 1: really got it wrong this time. They we were in
Speaker 1: a pilot together and I was a guest star. She
Speaker 1: was a regular. And when the pilot went they actually
Speaker 1: didn't have enough money for all the regulars, and they
Speaker 1: took her out of it and put me as a regular.
Speaker 1: They really screwed up. But that she probably has no
Speaker 1: recollection of this, but it was called The Help, and
Speaker 1: she was like, seriously seventeen years old. But um, I
Speaker 1: never met her with Brian. So that's the Megan Fox story. Um,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting to see where this goes from here. Though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I don't feel like they're over. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like they're over something? Something tells me it just
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel over. And that's why I was reluctant,
Speaker 1: even from the top of this headline to say they're
Speaker 1: broken up, because that move in what she's saying, it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel completely over. I agree. I have one more
Speaker 1: thing to say about it. What what about the therapy
Speaker 1: session that paparazzi got the dark, grainy pictures of them
Speaker 1: coming out of a therapy session together I did. That's
Speaker 1: a hot take. I didn't even see this. You really
Speaker 1: did do a deep dive now, I just happened. I
Speaker 1: just happened to look her up once in a blue
Speaker 1: men wait before this story came up. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: they were. They were leaving. I mean they could have
Speaker 1: been leaving anywhere. They could have been leaving like chilies
Speaker 1: or something. Having a bite to eat and giving his
Speaker 1: stuff back. I don't know, but they said it was
Speaker 1: a marriage counseling sugist doesn't feel Yeah, it doesn't feel
Speaker 1: complete yet. It doesn't feel like we can put a
Speaker 1: pin in this yet. I think we will have to
Speaker 1: revisit the Megan Fox machine Gun Kelly story. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel complete yet. You know what else doesn't really
Speaker 1: feel complete yet? Chris Harrison the next headline that we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about it, hopefully you'll talk about it
Speaker 1: with me. Um. So there's a big headline out there,
Speaker 1: exit remorse, ABC considering bringing back house did host Chris
Speaker 1: Harrison to boost ratings. That's a big one out there.
Speaker 1: I know, can you believe that I didn't see that headline?
Speaker 1: When did that come out? Yeah? In all seriousness. Yes,
Speaker 1: those headlines hit this week a lot, a lot, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny speaking of a lot. There are
Speaker 1: certain stories that hit and they are more impactful, and
Speaker 1: I can tell because of who reaches out to me
Speaker 1: in my life about this. So most stories that are written,
Speaker 1: you know, if my name is in the headline, you
Speaker 1: get nothing, nobody. This one was interesting because I was
Speaker 1: driving to get dinner the other night. My dad calls,
Speaker 1: not strange, but I pick up the phone. He's like, Hey,
Speaker 1: are you going back to that show you were working for?
Speaker 1: And by the way he says that show, it didn't
Speaker 1: mean that to be derogatory. Honestly, my dad probably does
Speaker 1: not know the name of the show I was hosting
Speaker 1: for twenty years. Uh, And I love him for that.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even joking, but exactly that show. So
Speaker 1: Dad calls me. Then two of my best friends I
Speaker 1: mean talking about friends I talked to on the daily
Speaker 1: called and said, hey, are you are you going back?
Speaker 1: What in the world is happening? So do you Tory?
Speaker 1: Do you get that too? Of there are certain stories
Speaker 1: that are so impactful, and you know because of who
Speaker 1: reaches out to you personally all the time. I mean
Speaker 1: they have written about my marriage. Well, we've been married
Speaker 1: seventeen year, seventeen years, on again, off again, and I
Speaker 1: know it's yeah. My brother reached out to me and
Speaker 1: he's like, I know they always write stuff, but is
Speaker 1: it true that you guys are Kenny in divorce? And
Speaker 1: I was like, what about this one made it more
Speaker 1: impactful that you thought maybe when this time it's true?
Speaker 1: So yes, I know what you mean. It is interesting
Speaker 1: though sometimes it does, it just strikes a chord. And
Speaker 1: so this one obviously was very personal for a lot
Speaker 1: of people who went through what I went through, and
Speaker 1: they went through it with me. These are the people
Speaker 1: that were in the right. They were in the foxhole
Speaker 1: with me each and every day, and so these are
Speaker 1: people that are are really shocked to see this headline. Well,
Speaker 1: apparently ABC is considering bringing you back because they're having
Speaker 1: dismal Bachelor ratings. Well, look here's the story as well.
Speaker 1: By the way, the real story that broke was internal
Speaker 1: conversations are being had by ABC executives about bringing me back.
Speaker 1: Do I think these conversations have happened? Probably, And and
Speaker 1: here's why, I think it would almost be crazy not
Speaker 1: to if you're running a business, any business at all,
Speaker 1: and that business sales are down fifty to and falling,
Speaker 1: and everybody can see the numbers. We know what's happening,
Speaker 1: and you think there's something that could change that and
Speaker 1: fix that. Of course you're going to have that conversation.
Speaker 1: You would be crazy not to have that conversation. And
Speaker 1: with the advent of this podcast, the most dramatic podcast ever,
Speaker 1: They've seen the numbers, they've seen the response in my
Speaker 1: social media. They're not deaf to all that they've seen
Speaker 1: what's happening. So am I shocked that these conversations are happening. No,
Speaker 1: it's not. It would not be a surprise. In fact,
Speaker 1: I would be shocked if they weren't happening. Right And
Speaker 1: when they say internal conversations, is that the version of
Speaker 1: like a source says for like a celebrity, right, Well,
Speaker 1: they said a source within ABC said these con stations
Speaker 1: are taking place. That was the actual story. And then
Speaker 1: from there it's spread to you know, is Chris Harrison
Speaker 1: coming back? And actually Chris Harrison is coming back and
Speaker 1: they're talking to him, and so it obviously go you
Speaker 1: know how it goes from there, clickbait, click bait, but
Speaker 1: the two original stories had the source inside the network
Speaker 1: saying these conversations were happening. Well, I wondered, do you
Speaker 1: believe that ABC could have leaked the story? I mean
Speaker 1: I keep going like, who put the story out there
Speaker 1: to get legs? I mean, we know it's not Jesse Palmer,
Speaker 1: So right, um, you know, I I don't. I don't know. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you would have to ask them. But would
Speaker 1: it be the craziest thing? Chris Harrison, hang on, you
Speaker 1: call an ABC? Yeah, I have a direct number? And
Speaker 1: do you go? Do you do? You go straight to
Speaker 1: the top, you go to Mickey Mouse? Who do you
Speaker 1: go to? Well? For years, I mean my dad had
Speaker 1: all of his shows there and it used to be
Speaker 1: called off the record Aaron Broadcast Company. So I'm pretty high.
Speaker 1: I bet you do. Um, but sorry, what were you saying? Oh?
Speaker 1: I just you know, would it be crazy to send
Speaker 1: out that test balloon and to see how people respond?
Speaker 1: Of course? Yeah, So it's it's not the most outlandish,
Speaker 1: crazy story. Although it did make waves and it got
Speaker 1: a lot. And again whether that was the intention of
Speaker 1: all this, you know, who knows, but that it definitely
Speaker 1: made the press. Well, I mean, that's not the real question.
Speaker 1: The real question is would you consider going back? That's
Speaker 1: the multimillion dollar question on the table, the multi zillion
Speaker 1: dollar questions. Look here, here's the thing. And I'm not
Speaker 1: being dodgy when I talk about this because I've talked
Speaker 1: about it previously as well. It's complicated. First of all,
Speaker 1: I live by the actiom never say never, because I
Speaker 1: I just think in life and in business that comes
Speaker 1: back to bite you in the butt. So I'll never
Speaker 1: say never. But with that said, it is complicated. Would
Speaker 1: I have that conversation? Yes. I also believe in relationships
Speaker 1: and in business, take a phone call and you listen
Speaker 1: and you have that conversation. Whether it's uncomfortable or not.
Speaker 1: I think you've got to have that personal phone call.
Speaker 1: So yes, I would have that conversation. I would listen.
Speaker 1: I would listen to anybody who calls me and go
Speaker 1: through it. But and I hate to leave it at that,
Speaker 1: but it is very complicated and it would be very complicated. Wow,
Speaker 1: you just left me wanting more, because when people say
Speaker 1: it's complicated, they mean it's complicated. I mean, do you
Speaker 1: miss doing the Bachelor? You have so much else going on?
Speaker 1: You know, and I want to eventually get to you
Speaker 1: on this because you have great perspective being a part
Speaker 1: of a franchise that was so historic at nine oh
Speaker 1: for a decade of your life and being known as
Speaker 1: something and so you know, multiply that by two. So
Speaker 1: for twenty years I was the host of this franchise
Speaker 1: and it was a historic franchise as well. So I'm
Speaker 1: grateful to that. I will always be grateful for that
Speaker 1: in my life. It changed my life, It changed my
Speaker 1: kids lives. I have a lot of friends that are
Speaker 1: still there working on the show I really care about,
Speaker 1: and so I loved my time, not all of it.
Speaker 1: It was still a job and there were things I
Speaker 1: didn't love, but that's the way it is at any job.
Speaker 1: But overall, it was amazing. It was an incredible experience.
Speaker 1: And I could go on and on about the travel
Speaker 1: and seeing the world and having never done that in
Speaker 1: my life and having that opportunity to taking my kids
Speaker 1: around the world. So again, all these things that were
Speaker 1: so wonderful my life have to do with this show.
Speaker 1: And so many milestones happened during the show because it
Speaker 1: was you know, from the time I was thirty, you know,
Speaker 1: almost to when I was fifty years old. That's my
Speaker 1: professional life when I was doing this show. So it
Speaker 1: was really impactful and so yeah, I loved it. I
Speaker 1: loved parts of it. Did it change? Yes? And was
Speaker 1: it the same in the last several years. No, it
Speaker 1: was not. And I was contemplating when it was going
Speaker 1: to be time. That was the first time I started
Speaker 1: having those conversations. And Lauren and I have have had
Speaker 1: those conversations, and she, now that she's got to know me,
Speaker 1: has even said, wow, I've I've I see now that
Speaker 1: you you were really torn by this, and so that's
Speaker 1: why I say it would be incredibly complicated. Okay, so
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing here is ABC, if you're listening, and
Speaker 1: you're obviously totally listening, he will take the call. We
Speaker 1: have a lot to talk about. We'll see where this goes.
Speaker 1: What about you? And I mean, because I don't mind
Speaker 1: being synonymous with the Bachelor Bachlrette, I don't mind even
Speaker 1: when I go out today and you know, I was
Speaker 1: up in at TCU seeing my kids and people come
Speaker 1: up to me and talk about the show, and I
Speaker 1: don't mind that. Do you mind being known or called
Speaker 1: Donna Martin and being known as Beverly Hills nine two one. Oh,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. I actually get mad when I hear people
Speaker 1: say like, oh, I'd rather stay away from that. I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about that show anymore. It's the
Speaker 1: show that, you know, whether it's a TV show, movie,
Speaker 1: anything that made you like, how could you not? So
Speaker 1: I'm grateful and I always say I'm fifty Tory Donna,
Speaker 1: like you know, we're we're technically the same person. So um,
Speaker 1: I'll always be grateful. And when people say Donna, I
Speaker 1: turn around just as fast as I do when they
Speaker 1: say Tori. Well, I think it's interesting that there are
Speaker 1: those and you know these people. Uh, there's even people
Speaker 1: from my show that have gone on, and there's actors
Speaker 1: and actresses. When they you'll bring something up or something's
Speaker 1: mentioned in an interview and like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about that. Yeah, I don't want to talk about
Speaker 1: being on the batchelor, right right, Yeah, that's not me anymore.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I understand, but it's the only reason
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you. So it's okay to give into that.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't have to define you the rest of
Speaker 1: your life. You can go on and define yourself however
Speaker 1: you want. But I find it interesting those people and
Speaker 1: I'm during I guess my question to you is, who
Speaker 1: are those people? What is it about certain people that
Speaker 1: just they got to leave that certain part of their
Speaker 1: past behind, whether it was a part they played or
Speaker 1: a show they were on, But they can't. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: They're trying to run away from, something that they'll never
Speaker 1: run away from. So we should just take it head on,
Speaker 1: answer the question, then move on to what you really
Speaker 1: want to talk about. But dismissing in and saying that, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, because it's always if people
Speaker 1: love you for a certain thing, they're always going to
Speaker 1: love you for a certain thing. You're right, and we
Speaker 1: loved you for Donna Martin and in that whole part
Speaker 1: of it was so that show was so transformational for
Speaker 1: so many people. And I know you've heard all these
Speaker 1: stories obviously, but a show that's that impactful and was
Speaker 1: a part of so many people's lives, how do you
Speaker 1: deny that? You can't? I mean, I'm so grateful, Like
Speaker 1: both of us were National treasures. National treasures, Chris Harrison,
Speaker 1: you and I both so wait wait, So at night
Speaker 1: I was doing the math. You were seventeen seventy when
Speaker 1: you jumped on sixteen when I did the pilot, so
Speaker 1: six games ten years. So from sixteen to when you're
Speaker 1: seven years old, very very tough age to be a teenager.
Speaker 1: And my daughter is about that age. She's I mean
Speaker 1: just she's nineteen now, but I just went through those
Speaker 1: years with her. Those are tough years. When life is perfect,
Speaker 1: when life is great. I can't imagine so many insecurities,
Speaker 1: so many chemicals running through your body at the time,
Speaker 1: and then you put on that platform that had to
Speaker 1: be so bizarrely difficult for you. It's funny you said
Speaker 1: life is perfect, life is great during those years. I
Speaker 1: have teenagers now, and all I keep thinking is, oh
Speaker 1: my god, they think they have it bad. Now. Imagine
Speaker 1: having to go through what you're going through on national
Speaker 1: TV and like people watching you being under a microscope.
Speaker 1: So you know, my teens will be like, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't feel good, I don't look good, my face is
Speaker 1: breaking out, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I know that well,
Speaker 1: but imagine I had to still do it on t
Speaker 1: BE every single week. It was hard. Yeah. There wasn't
Speaker 1: the Internet then, which my kids like to remind me,
Speaker 1: you know, and they asked if there were cars back then.
Speaker 1: But there was like chatboards you could go to and
Speaker 1: they would write the most horrific things. I mean, things
Speaker 1: that now, atte years old, I still remember and let
Speaker 1: kind of let define my life. I hated my eyes
Speaker 1: for years, just until recently, because people used to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: bug eyes, frog eyes, and I'd be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: my big eyes suck. Now I realized they're one of
Speaker 1: my best assets. At seventeen years old. Eighteen years old
Speaker 1: so difficult. And I at the beginning of this, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was talking about you coming on the show.
Speaker 1: What I find interesting is I don't love talking to
Speaker 1: people where everything is perfect in life and you know,
Speaker 1: they're just you know, living life one positive quote after
Speaker 1: the other. I like people who I mean, you, honestly,
Speaker 1: percentage wise shouldn't even be sitting here. Child star. Father
Speaker 1: was unbelievably famous, as you said, I mean, running every
Speaker 1: network and getting everything. You know, if he pitched something
Speaker 1: at lunch, it was on that afternoon. So growing up
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, growing up under the shadow of that, and
Speaker 1: then being famous yourself and then going the reality route,
Speaker 1: it's amazing you're sitting here. Yeah, I was always a
Speaker 1: good girl. I was a good kid, and I you
Speaker 1: know what, I was always work focused and I think
Speaker 1: I learned that from my dad. I mean, my dad
Speaker 1: was a workaholic, but on the weekends, always many time
Speaker 1: for us. And I grew up with that like sense
Speaker 1: of drive. I'm super driven, like I want something to happen.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep going until it happens. And I've always
Speaker 1: been like that. So I didn't have time to get
Speaker 1: lost in the Hollywood shuffle of like, you know, I
Speaker 1: went out and stuff, but going down the rabbit hole
Speaker 1: of drugs and stuff, you know, I was focused on
Speaker 1: doing my job and what was the next big thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you say that so almost flippantly, I know it
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. No, you had to make those decisions. I
Speaker 1: mean you look at the percentage of child stars, especially
Speaker 1: that come from a very famous parent like that. It's
Speaker 1: not a it's not an easy task. I mean, kudos
Speaker 1: to your parents, who I don't know either. Um, I
Speaker 1: didn't know, but that is amazing though that you you
Speaker 1: were centered with that drive and never never took a
Speaker 1: right when you easily could have. You stayed on this path,
Speaker 1: you easily could have taken that. Well. I didn't say
Speaker 1: I was a good driver, but yes, well you were
Speaker 1: kind of known. And this, this actually brings me to
Speaker 1: a headline that maybe I buried here because you were
Speaker 1: known Donna Martin as America's virgin. Yes, obviously something else
Speaker 1: that was difficult to carry with you through your teenage
Speaker 1: years and then into your twenties. But did I read
Speaker 1: this story right? You have spent money, You've been paying
Speaker 1: money to see Denise Richards naked on Only Fans? Is
Speaker 1: this true? Guilty? For real? Yes, this is for real.
Speaker 1: So Denise and I have been friends since well she
Speaker 1: was on nine two one we met. That's when we met,
Speaker 1: like when she was like fifteen, So we've known each
Speaker 1: they're all these years, stayed friends, were good friends, and yeah,
Speaker 1: when I heard she was on Only Fans, I was like, interesting,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I was like, hmm, can I
Speaker 1: can an actress like really transition and do this and
Speaker 1: still have her career and still be okay with being
Speaker 1: a mom and people not giving her, you know, a
Speaker 1: hard time. So I did click on there at Christmas dinner,
Speaker 1: which is what everyone does at the Christmas dinner table. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're deciding do we want to play card games or
Speaker 1: look at Denise Richard's naked and the way well done?
Speaker 1: You know what. I'm a smart cookie, Harrison, so I yeah,
Speaker 1: so I want to look on it to just be like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's see what this is. But they get you. They're
Speaker 1: super smart. On only Fans. They cover things up. You know.
Speaker 1: There was like a peach covering something and it was
Speaker 1: like I was like, oh, well, I can't see anything.
Speaker 1: Oh but if you subscribe you can see more. So
Speaker 1: and then it says if you d M the person
Speaker 1: um and tip them, they're more likely to send you
Speaker 1: a picture faster because they send a picture to your
Speaker 1: d M. For all those who have never been on
Speaker 1: Only Fans, I'll admit, and I'm not just lying for
Speaker 1: public consumption here. I've never been on only Fans, So
Speaker 1: I actually had no hits complicated. I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I actually don't know. I mean, I know you have
Speaker 1: to pay and they need a subscription, but so you
Speaker 1: don't you did you then subscribe? And did you d
Speaker 1: M Denise? I did? And I did it under my alias,
Speaker 1: which is like my hotel alias. I've checked in for
Speaker 1: years since nine o two one. Oh. So I was like,
Speaker 1: she probably knows that name. Probably told her, well, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm dying to ask you what that alias is. I
Speaker 1: can't tell you. Well, it's it's it's a pairing of
Speaker 1: my first dog and in the nineties my favorite star. Interesting.
Speaker 1: Um but I yeah, and so I was like, HI,
Speaker 1: would love to see how are you? Would love to
Speaker 1: see more? I like what I see, would love to
Speaker 1: see more. And I think tipping did get me a
Speaker 1: d M faster because I got a picture and then
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that looks good. Okay, well but
Speaker 1: now I want to see more. So it really gets
Speaker 1: you going in that rabbit hole. And then the next
Speaker 1: day I saw that you could get a v I
Speaker 1: P subscription and it was like, normally I'm not going
Speaker 1: to see the number, right, but it was like a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars but today only it's so of
Speaker 1: course I had to do the v I It's just
Speaker 1: like going to Costco. You never know what consumers. And
Speaker 1: I was like, look at the deal I'm getting here.
Speaker 1: I'm getting a good deal. So I got it anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: four hundred dollars later, Um, I saw a lot more
Speaker 1: of my friend than I've ever seen. So so I
Speaker 1: don't know how far is Denise taken. This is it topless?
Speaker 1: Is it full nude? What you doing? Okay? Do you
Speaker 1: see feet? Feet is a big one. As I was
Speaker 1: doing this, the foot culture out there is really bizarre.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. As I was doing this and my
Speaker 1: friends are like, you would do really well and only fans,
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know. And then my son,
Speaker 1: who is ten and is always on his video games
Speaker 1: and never looks up, he goes, Mom, actually put your
Speaker 1: feet on feet Finder. You'll do much better. And I go,
Speaker 1: what Finn? He goes, feet Finder, You'll make a lot
Speaker 1: of money. Have you ever done a deep drive on
Speaker 1: feet Finder? My ten year old should not be on that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Lauren went on at one time because she's
Speaker 1: very she's very highly rated because she was on Entertainment
Speaker 1: Tonight for so many years and obviously I guess show
Speaker 1: her feet from time to time and so you're talking
Speaker 1: wicky feet? Oh is that what that is? Okay? So yeah,
Speaker 1: she was on so wherever they rate your feet, she was.
Speaker 1: She was very highly rated. And I said, babe, do
Speaker 1: do start with some foot stuff. Let's go. Um, so
Speaker 1: am I to understand? First of all, you saw your
Speaker 1: friend naked, and have you talked to Denise about this? So?
Speaker 1: Oh so she just shows boobs and butt no bottom
Speaker 1: half front and so just to clear up, have you
Speaker 1: talked to her? Did she does? She finally know that
Speaker 1: it was tory spelling, so I felt really weird. So
Speaker 1: I texted her that night and I said, hey, Mama,
Speaker 1: I just want to talk to you about something. It
Speaker 1: was Christmas, though, so she didn't text me back. And
Speaker 1: then next week I went on Jeff Louis Live and
Speaker 1: I told the story and then Dense texted me and
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm dying. That is the funniest thing.
Speaker 1: And I said, all fairness, I tried to text you first.
Speaker 1: You didn't respond because I'm so sorry. We were stick
Speaker 1: over Christmas. So yeah, she knows. Maybe the biggest question,
Speaker 1: are you seriously contemplating doing only fans? It's complicated. No,
Speaker 1: you can't repeat my answer, Oh I can't. Okay, Uh
Speaker 1: I would. I would take the call because I know
Speaker 1: I always believe in taking the call and just listening. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. So you're saying there's a chance. So
Speaker 1: you're saying there's a chance. Um, you know what, help
Speaker 1: me through this one, Chris Harrison? What would be the
Speaker 1: pros and cons for me as an outside perspective of
Speaker 1: someone in this business? You have five six children? Right? Yes?
Speaker 1: Five at home? Still are all six? Um, my stepson
Speaker 1: is here, actually my stepdaughters here. I have seven kids
Speaker 1: in the house right now. So five from my belly, yes, good,
Speaker 1: and they range from the ones from my belly are
Speaker 1: from ages fifteen to five. Okay, so that's a lot.
Speaker 1: By the way, God bless you. So now you know
Speaker 1: why I'm thinking about only I mean clearly, I know
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are doing it and making
Speaker 1: absolute bank on this and crushing it. Yes, in your mind,
Speaker 1: what would you be willing to do like scantily clad,
Speaker 1: like dressed lingerie? We're talking just feet. Maybe you just
Speaker 1: dabble and start with the foot stuff. But how like
Speaker 1: in your in all seriousness, how far do you think
Speaker 1: you would be willing to go? Well, I did do
Speaker 1: a deeper dive, and I see like my friend comedian
Speaker 1: Atney Cummings is on Only Fans and she does it
Speaker 1: and her in there was you know, I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell you if you dm me jokes like dirtier jokes
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't normally get. So I was like, maybe
Speaker 1: there's a creative way. I like comedy. I do a
Speaker 1: lot of funny skits. Maybe there's something I could do
Speaker 1: and be scantily clad in those skits. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because what here's the thing with me, No matter what
Speaker 1: I do, people have something to say about it. Of course,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm polarizing. I don't know. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: think you're polarizing. I think you're just you've had this
Speaker 1: part of our heart and soul and that's what That's
Speaker 1: what I guess hits me is what would people pay
Speaker 1: to see Donna Martin from nine one oh naked? Or
Speaker 1: of course they're going to that would be a draw.
Speaker 1: I mean, see, it has to be that it has
Speaker 1: to be some sort of America's favorite virgin. It would
Speaker 1: have to be some sort of Donna Martin nod which
Speaker 1: is that just crossing the line altogether naked at the
Speaker 1: peach pit like we're going with this? I just I know,
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating and I wonder how many of
Speaker 1: these conversations have taken place in households across America when
Speaker 1: you know, people are seeing how much money is being made,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure some of it's being over, you know,
Speaker 1: exaggerated millions and millions and I made a million dollars
Speaker 1: this month or whatever, but there's still a lot of
Speaker 1: money being made. And I'm sure Denise, if you've talked
Speaker 1: to her, has she said what the downside is? Has
Speaker 1: she felt any negativity towards this other than having to
Speaker 1: deal with the fact that she is a mom as well?
Speaker 1: She has said she thought she would have a backlash
Speaker 1: because she's a mom and an actress, and she says, no,
Speaker 1: it's quite the opposite. So but yeah, it would be
Speaker 1: a hard one because I know the fans are super
Speaker 1: invested in me as Donna Martin, America's virgin um. And
Speaker 1: if I was going to do something like this, it
Speaker 1: should have been years ago. I mean the Donna Martin
Speaker 1: like vibrator or something something we could have done somewhere. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My sman always said I missed the boat and I
Speaker 1: should have made the Donna Martin pocket, So, um, wait,
Speaker 1: can I say that on your show? Absolutely, the Donna Martin,
Speaker 1: the Donna Martin Pocket. Thank you it's not not easy
Speaker 1: to say, um, rolls just right off your tongue. I
Speaker 1: just had a question, and for some reason, the pocket
Speaker 1: definitely threw me. How would you justify this and how
Speaker 1: would you have this conversation with your kids? Oh? Good thing,
Speaker 1: good good one, good one, good one. Um. I think
Speaker 1: as long as here's something, I think only fans gets
Speaker 1: a bad name. So before only fans was, you know,
Speaker 1: born and nude. It was actually I remember them approaching
Speaker 1: me and it was going to be like a cameo
Speaker 1: type situation where you could go and do videos and
Speaker 1: talk to your fans and they could tip you all that,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it took a different direction.
Speaker 1: And now I think they're really trying to bring it back.
Speaker 1: The people they have chefs on making meals. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're doing it naked, but it's just I
Speaker 1: don't know. So I feel like if there's another way
Speaker 1: in I'm not saying I wouldn't show revealing stuff. I
Speaker 1: do that anyway on my own Instagram. So like, I
Speaker 1: think my kids would be supportive. Dean would have no
Speaker 1: problem with this. He totally supports it. He's like, go
Speaker 1: make that money, baby, please. He came up with the
Speaker 1: idea of the Donna Martin pocket. He doesn't want me
Speaker 1: to be on only fans. He's like, go for it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's interesting. I just put myself in
Speaker 1: this position of if what I would feel about Lauren,
Speaker 1: and look, if she wants to do something like that,
Speaker 1: I support her. She's her own woman, and that's what
Speaker 1: I love about it. You don't. You can't love a
Speaker 1: woman for being strong and independent and then when they
Speaker 1: do something strong and independent you have a problem with it. Um,
Speaker 1: So whatever you want to do, but it would be
Speaker 1: hard for me, it would be hard for me to
Speaker 1: share her like that got you. Yeah, that's personal to me. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see what happens with if I take
Speaker 1: that call again. Maybe start with you know, do you
Speaker 1: have pretty feet? Maybe just start with the feet. I
Speaker 1: have great feet. Okay, maybe we just start with the
Speaker 1: feet and then we work our way up and you
Speaker 1: have like really nice knee caps. I don't know if
Speaker 1: kneecaps are a fetish, but then we just kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, get to an elbow. Just make it just
Speaker 1: start simple. On only fans, you mean only fans. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing, I think if you're gonna like, you gotta
Speaker 1: come out of the gate big, go bigger, go home.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying like show it all. You gotta
Speaker 1: either going to do it or you're not. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't like dip your toe in the water. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to see where this story goes. I know me too.
Speaker 1: I'm getting excited about it just talking to you. When
Speaker 1: you make your decisions, when you make your decision, will
Speaker 1: you come back here and let me know? Um? Yes?
Speaker 1: And will when you make your decision, will can I
Speaker 1: come back here and will you let me know? Yes?
Speaker 1: I guarantee there we will have this conversation. Great mutual agreement.
Speaker 1: Mutual agreement. Yeah, ABC only fans you know where to
Speaker 1: reach us. You know, the press for this would be bonkers.
Speaker 1: People would go crazy. And this I do. It's something
Speaker 1: that you know. Again, I just met you today, but
Speaker 1: I feel like again and people say this to me,
Speaker 1: I feel like I know you because I have seen
Speaker 1: story after story after story. I feel like I went
Speaker 1: through the life and times with your family and then
Speaker 1: afterwards in the your marriage and the problems in your marriage.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like the press has been on you
Speaker 1: every day and so it has been relentless in your life.
Speaker 1: How have you managed that? It's not easy, it's hard,
Speaker 1: it's you know. I try to give my kids as
Speaker 1: normal a life as possible. Um, but you know, they're aware.
Speaker 1: They're aware when there's paparazzi following us, they're aware, you know,
Speaker 1: and fans are coming up that you know. And I
Speaker 1: know for some of them it's easier and for some
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, we just want you, we want
Speaker 1: it to be private. Um. For me, I've kind of
Speaker 1: gone through life with like blinders on. I think because
Speaker 1: I had to. It was like a a protective mechanism
Speaker 1: that I didn't even know I did. I remember at
Speaker 1: the height of nine, like my friends not in nine two,
Speaker 1: and we would be out and there'd be like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, everyone's staring at you. Everyone's looking and I'd
Speaker 1: be like, I didn't even notice it, because I think
Speaker 1: it was my own like functioning way of like to
Speaker 1: go through life, because I never wanted to be that
Speaker 1: person to be like I can't go out, I can't
Speaker 1: do that, and I don't want my kids to live
Speaker 1: that life. So and my dad back in the day,
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I was in a tabloid
Speaker 1: and it was horrific, talking about like plastic surgery. And
Speaker 1: I was seventeen. I'd had I had my nose done,
Speaker 1: but that was it. And they were writing, I had
Speaker 1: ribs removed and like my cheekbones, all this horrible stuff
Speaker 1: and again you're seventeen, eighteen years old. Yeah, and like
Speaker 1: broke my heart. And my dad said, Babe, was that
Speaker 1: He talked like this, Babe, be happy they're talking about you.
Speaker 1: Be worried when they're not talking about you anymore? Interesting?
Speaker 1: How old were you when your dad passed? I was
Speaker 1: thirty three two, And you guys had it. It It sounds
Speaker 1: like you'll had an amazing relationship. We did, and the
Speaker 1: daddy's girl. And how about your mom? So that's that's
Speaker 1: another one. Like a story that was very public, was
Speaker 1: your relationship with your mom, especially after your dad passed,
Speaker 1: and all the money and the finances and all that,
Speaker 1: like for all that to go public, how and the
Speaker 1: press was just relentless, relentless to the point where I
Speaker 1: mean today we're very close. And it took a long time,
Speaker 1: and well we kind of get into it sometimes about
Speaker 1: the press and the effect it had on it and
Speaker 1: then we kind of say, let's put in the past.
Speaker 1: But you know, to a certain extent, I think that
Speaker 1: fed into our relationship and the demise of our relationship, um,
Speaker 1: because you know, you can't help but reading stuff over
Speaker 1: and over every week and think, wow, does my own
Speaker 1: parents hate me? And she's like, does my own daughter
Speaker 1: hate me? And it was Yeah, it was brutal. And
Speaker 1: that's happened to me with several people in my life
Speaker 1: relationship wise, that the press just you know, blows it
Speaker 1: out of purport. Shouldn't you believe it? And that's the
Speaker 1: thing I know. People are like, it's it's hard to
Speaker 1: fathom how constant press like that can actually affect a
Speaker 1: relationship because what you're thinking is we'll just we'll just
Speaker 1: call them or just talk to him, like it's your
Speaker 1: mom or it's your friend. Right, But do you hear
Speaker 1: so much all the time? It does drive a wedge.
Speaker 1: It actually can get to you. You start reading quotes
Speaker 1: and you're like, well they did say that, and the
Speaker 1: way they write these things and the way people talk
Speaker 1: it's creative and it's good. Is there is there a
Speaker 1: person in particular that you felt it? It drove a
Speaker 1: wedge in between you. That didn't really exist a thousand
Speaker 1: percent um with Shannon Doherty like on nine O two
Speaker 1: and oh, she and I were best friends, like I'm
Speaker 1: best friends with Jenny Garth. I would say Shannon and
Speaker 1: I were equally just as close back then. She was
Speaker 1: actually my first friend when I joined Nino. We did
Speaker 1: everything together. My dad used to say, like, I love
Speaker 1: seeing you and Shannon come down your PJ sleeping over
Speaker 1: at the manor, Like we were so close. Um, and
Speaker 1: she really took me under her wing, and that invit ARONMNT.
Speaker 1: And you know, she ended up getting married, she left
Speaker 1: the show. Um, and our lives just kind of moved on.
Speaker 1: But nothing happened between us. We never had a falling out.
Speaker 1: We never even had a fight. And the press suddenly
Speaker 1: made us you know, she was my nemesis, like she
Speaker 1: was the one like I hated her, and we had
Speaker 1: this huge public fight that I read about for years
Speaker 1: to the point where I was terrified. I was like,
Speaker 1: Shannon hates me, Oh my gosh. And then I was
Speaker 1: at a Playboy mansion party, says everyone, but you know
Speaker 1: back in the early two thousands, Yes, um, and I
Speaker 1: was there and I said, oh, Shannon's here, and I
Speaker 1: literally I was like, oh my god, my heart fell
Speaker 1: into my feet and I was like, I gotta get
Speaker 1: out of here. And they're like, why Shannon, like from
Speaker 1: your show, and I was like, she hates me. I
Speaker 1: can't I can't see her. So it was a mutual
Speaker 1: friend and they're like no, no, no no. So they went
Speaker 1: over and they came back and they said, Shannon knows
Speaker 1: you're here, and she actually wants to see you. She
Speaker 1: wants to talk to you. So I was so scared.
Speaker 1: So I went over and we both ended up saying
Speaker 1: that we had thought the press had pitted us together.
Speaker 1: We thought the other one hated each other, and it
Speaker 1: never existed. To this day, people always still put like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they had this horrible relationship. They hated each other. It
Speaker 1: was never her and eye other people but not me,
Speaker 1: Like what a shame though, think about that, like you
Speaker 1: all but lost a great friend just because of that.
Speaker 1: I lost years with one of my best friends because
Speaker 1: of that. And we hugged it out and made up
Speaker 1: and and we're friends now. But it, yeah, it took years.
Speaker 1: That would have been a great storyline on nine two one. Oh.
Speaker 1: So the other thing that Uh, you kind of just
Speaker 1: slipped in there. I love that you just your dad said,
Speaker 1: I love having you guys at the manor. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had sleepovers at a house um, not a manner um.
Speaker 1: I need to look up. My mom had stationary and
Speaker 1: she had penns that said stolen from the manner um.
Speaker 1: But that is that is amazing. And it happened on
Speaker 1: our show from time to time that the press and
Speaker 1: the most difficult part of the relationship post back, and
Speaker 1: that's red is the show stops filming. You're together, and
Speaker 1: then the show hasn't quite aired yet, so it's all
Speaker 1: a secret, and you're not living together because you can't
Speaker 1: for the secrecy, and you're trying to keep everything out
Speaker 1: of the press, and so these stories start going that
Speaker 1: so and so is out and about and he's already
Speaker 1: seeing somebody else or he's calling it, and so we are.
Speaker 1: We always had to patch things up and deal with
Speaker 1: the tabloid rumors, and sometimes couples would break up before
Speaker 1: they ever had a chance to succeed just because of
Speaker 1: all the press, and it's it was such a bummer
Speaker 1: and it's something we had to constantly fight. But that
Speaker 1: it's a real thing. And I know that sounds crazy
Speaker 1: to be like, what are you talking about? Just pick
Speaker 1: up the phone and say that's not real, but it
Speaker 1: it just happens, and it's relentless, and there's so much
Speaker 1: of it that you finally start to believe some of
Speaker 1: the press absolutely. And that's interesting to hear that because
Speaker 1: for us, it's like they wrote stories about us our
Speaker 1: whole career, so we're semi used to it, so it
Speaker 1: is surprising to think that we're buying into the press
Speaker 1: as well. But for couples on The Bachelor, they're real
Speaker 1: people who have never dealt with faith before, and now
Speaker 1: suddenly they're writing that I would believe. At first, I
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, he totally, that's happened immediately, So
Speaker 1: that's crazy. The more we've been talking today, the more
Speaker 1: I realize our lives are so drastically different. I am
Speaker 1: an empty nester. I just got back from seeing my
Speaker 1: kids up at college this weekend at TCU UM And
Speaker 1: you have seven under one roof, yeah, seven under one roof? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. What is life like on the daily?
Speaker 1: Is it just crazy? Like? How are you? You had
Speaker 1: an hour to spend with me? Well, we'll see if
Speaker 1: something is on fire when I go downstairs after this,
Speaker 1: let's pray not Um. It's never predictable. It's fun, it's chaotic. Um,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. It's literally insane. I always say I wish
Speaker 1: people could really know, because I'll tell friends I can't
Speaker 1: do this or work like I have to. You know,
Speaker 1: I can't do this, I have this and that, and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, well, we're busy too, and it's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. But if they really came and spent a
Speaker 1: day in my house, people would be like, oh whoa.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking I was busy when I had no kids,
Speaker 1: and then life got crazy because I had one kid.
Speaker 1: And I always tell people every time you have another,
Speaker 1: I have to It's not it multiplies by like three,
Speaker 1: it's not. The math doesn't work out when you have kids.
Speaker 1: At what point for you, though, does it stop getting
Speaker 1: exponentially crazy or is it at three? Is it at five?
Speaker 1: At some point it's got it can't just you know,
Speaker 1: like just one start taking here of the other one
Speaker 1: just gets lost. It's it's what point that was really
Speaker 1: growing up? At the manner, I'm the one that got
Speaker 1: lost in the manner still couldn't find my way out
Speaker 1: of that place. It was so big. But uh, now
Speaker 1: it's like a ten point five on the RCT scale.
Speaker 1: Every single day. I would say, my oldest daughter, who
Speaker 1: is fourteen, does take care of the others. She'll definitely
Speaker 1: take care of the five year old. They all kind
Speaker 1: of parent the five year old. He's gonna grow up
Speaker 1: real screwed up because he's not sure who his parent is,
Speaker 1: like he has everyone parenting him. Um, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if it gets easier, I don't know. And then
Speaker 1: what is it like as an empty nester, Like it
Speaker 1: must be so quiet, it's very The quiet was the
Speaker 1: toughest thing for me to get used to post even
Speaker 1: post divorce, when you've been around your kid seven and
Speaker 1: I was very active and involved and coached and did
Speaker 1: all the things that mommy and me and everything. So
Speaker 1: going from that to the when you have your week
Speaker 1: off or whatever it is with your arrangement not having
Speaker 1: your kids, that quiet is a difficult thing to get
Speaker 1: used to. And when my son left for college, I
Speaker 1: still had my daughter and we have a great relationship,
Speaker 1: and I was like glooming onto her. I mean it
Speaker 1: was probably annoying, but now that she's gone to college.
Speaker 1: It is really wild to just have days weeks where
Speaker 1: you don't see them. You know, we talk or text,
Speaker 1: but it's really bizarre that that quiet and calm in
Speaker 1: your life. It's a good feeling because you've accomplished something,
Speaker 1: because you have wonderful children that are great human beings
Speaker 1: and they're crushing it in life. So there is the
Speaker 1: pride factor. But then there's the sadness of yesterday. He
Speaker 1: was banging pots and pans on the on the floor
Speaker 1: of the you know, kitchen, and I don't remember when
Speaker 1: he didn't walk. I don't remember when he you know,
Speaker 1: you start forgetting things, and it was those things I
Speaker 1: love that the coaching Little League and soccer and all
Speaker 1: those going to the recitals and all the performances. Those
Speaker 1: are the things that I relished and love so much,
Speaker 1: and that I unders saying why people have more and
Speaker 1: have more because it's like you want to you want
Speaker 1: to keep that feeling. You're making my ovaries ache real
Speaker 1: bad right now. That window closes quick, and it's it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's not college. It's when they start driving that really
Speaker 1: hit me. It was that hitting sixteen and you have
Speaker 1: gotten up every day, made them launch take him to
Speaker 1: school as soon as schools out of thirty, you're an
Speaker 1: uber driver for you for you know, for the next
Speaker 1: six hours, you're an uber driver and you're a short
Speaker 1: order cook. And when that's over, when your kids are like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I have practiced after then I'm doing this
Speaker 1: and I'm doing this, I'm like, wait, so I'm not
Speaker 1: going to see you for the next twelve hours. That
Speaker 1: that's when it really starts to hit you and you
Speaker 1: realize that window is closing quickly. I my fifth year
Speaker 1: old is now way taller than me. He's and his
Speaker 1: voice is getting deep, and I forget all the time,
Speaker 1: and I think, oh my god, there's someone in the house.
Speaker 1: And I freak out because I see like a figure
Speaker 1: walked by in the kitchen. I'm coming out of my
Speaker 1: hallway and and then I hear of voice and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Mike Stella called nine on one. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh no, it's it's my kid. It's my kid. And
Speaker 1: the hot water bill goes up. The showers get longer,
Speaker 1: and uh, he's about the showers for long. He's about
Speaker 1: to go into the guttural noise phase of being a
Speaker 1: boy where they stopped talking and they just they answer
Speaker 1: with sounds like they all do that, all do that,
Speaker 1: and and hey huh. And so I thought it was
Speaker 1: just TikTok though that no, no, you're you're gonna get
Speaker 1: that for about five years and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they just snap out of it and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: hey man, so good to see you again. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to earth. Yea, my son now, well, he's all into conversations.
Speaker 1: He's a great it's wonderful. And I'm like, I missed you. Welcome,
Speaker 1: welcome home. You know what you need now, don't say it.
Speaker 1: You need another one? You need a new baby, I
Speaker 1: was going to say, a grandchild. I can't wait for
Speaker 1: it to be. I love babies, I do. I loved
Speaker 1: being I knew I wanted to be a dad. I
Speaker 1: knew I wanted that life. I couldn't wait for it
Speaker 1: um and I loved every moment of it. But I
Speaker 1: do think that God gives you this finite amount of
Speaker 1: time when you have the patience to handle this. And
Speaker 1: I know, I only know how to do things all
Speaker 1: in I'm either doing it or I'm not in anything
Speaker 1: in life, and parenting is the same way, and the
Speaker 1: thought of going back to that stage of the diapers,
Speaker 1: the you know, getting into the right school and going
Speaker 1: to all the recitals and all that. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I'm excited too for the next stage of just spoiling
Speaker 1: nieces and nephews and eventually no rush kids grandchildren rush
Speaker 1: and then they go home. Yeah, I could already tell,
Speaker 1: like my patients, with my five year old as a
Speaker 1: mom is real different than it was with my fifteen
Speaker 1: year old when he was that age. Well, and after
Speaker 1: doing it for the fifth time, I'm sure, but there
Speaker 1: are there are some things I don't know if you've noticed, though,
Speaker 1: you probably have much better perspective with your five year old.
Speaker 1: You know what to be worried about, you know what
Speaker 1: to care about, compared to when the first one comes
Speaker 1: and everything is a big deal. Yes, I was a
Speaker 1: helicopter mom everything. I was paranoid about everything. Now I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're fine, You're fine, he's ten. Should he already be
Speaker 1: playing golf? Should you have a swing coach? Should he
Speaker 1: be doing this? And it is you know, our mascore
Speaker 1: is like, he's fine. You know this, And by the way,
Speaker 1: the five year old is going to be probably the
Speaker 1: most talented and the most incredible at whatever he does
Speaker 1: because he dolay golf. Actually, there you go, because he's
Speaker 1: gonna grow up just following his passions and doing what
Speaker 1: he actually really loves. Do you have animals? We don't.
Speaker 1: I did, we had, we had dogs, but we we
Speaker 1: don't have any here in Austin. So I feel like
Speaker 1: I supplement more babies with animals. But we're gone. We're
Speaker 1: gone so much and we love that. And that's one
Speaker 1: thing that Lord and I have loved is this chapter
Speaker 1: of our lives of being able to pick up and
Speaker 1: just go. And I wasn't able to do that when
Speaker 1: I was working on the Bachelor, And that's been one
Speaker 1: of the blessings is we can just go. We can
Speaker 1: go see the kids. We and go on the you know,
Speaker 1: she goes on these girl trips. I go on my
Speaker 1: boys trips. And we love that. We love having our
Speaker 1: independent lives, which are very important. Can you indeed, because
Speaker 1: I Lord and I say you have to have a
Speaker 1: separate life. There are things you get from your girls,
Speaker 1: your your girlfriends that we can't feed that part of
Speaker 1: your soul and you need and you need to miss
Speaker 1: each other from time to time with that many kids,
Speaker 1: with the life you have, can you indeed do that? Um?
Speaker 1: He does a little bit. He plays hockey and golf,
Speaker 1: so he has his outlets. I don't. That's important and
Speaker 1: it's not good. No, you need that. It's really work
Speaker 1: and take care of kids. And it's yeah. I go
Speaker 1: through phases where I'm like, Okay, I'm going to spend
Speaker 1: time with my girlfriends and the public probably knows when
Speaker 1: I'm having my like okay moments where because they'll see
Speaker 1: me out like at restaurants and getting my photos taken,
Speaker 1: and then they'll be like two years, we don't see
Speaker 1: me like publicly at all unless I'm working. Um, And
Speaker 1: that's where I'm just like back in the whole of
Speaker 1: like kids, kids, kids, I'm like in that right now.
Speaker 1: I need to get out of it. I need to
Speaker 1: like have more meat time. It's hard, and I get it,
Speaker 1: you know, preaching to the choir here of it's so
Speaker 1: easy to lose yourself when you have children, and I
Speaker 1: think especially for women, for the moms, it's easy to
Speaker 1: lose your You have to work hard to to not
Speaker 1: and you have so many site hustles. I know you
Speaker 1: and Jenny are doing the n podcast, which is crushing it.
Speaker 1: Yes on OMG, and you and your bff are also
Speaker 1: you have a decor line. Yes, Home to core Line
Speaker 1: just launched on QVC, so we're super excited about that.
Speaker 1: We design every single aspect of it. Um, we're really
Speaker 1: proud of it and working on it for three years
Speaker 1: and finally launched and then um we have a great
Speaker 1: Home to Core line. And then in July we're coming
Speaker 1: out with Christmas in July, so a whole Christmas PFF
Speaker 1: line for the holidays of tree and then we're possibly
Speaker 1: launching only fans. So you have a lot on your plan.
Speaker 1: I do, wow, And that just makes you know what
Speaker 1: they say when you want something, to give it to
Speaker 1: a busy person, it's keep stacking those plates up. I
Speaker 1: I like to balance, just bring it well. It makes
Speaker 1: me even more grateful and appreciative that you took time
Speaker 1: out to come on my show. I appreciate it. I've
Speaker 1: I've always loved and admired you from AFAR, and now
Speaker 1: that I've gotten to spend some time with you even
Speaker 1: more so. You are an absolute rock star. I feel
Speaker 1: the same way because I'm a fan too, and I've
Speaker 1: watched you for years and it's really nice to get
Speaker 1: to know you. I appreciate your full package. Chris Harrison,
Speaker 1: thank you, Tori Spelling. Next time we do this at
Speaker 1: the manor. Oh well, now she has the manner in
Speaker 1: the sky, but we should do this at the manner,
Speaker 1: and we should do it for the launch of the
Speaker 1: Mother Daughter only fans with me and Candy Spelling in
Speaker 1: her gift wrapping room. Just say it could be a thing.
Speaker 1: Heaven heavenly that would work. Uh, it would work so well.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I love you so much. Now
Speaker 1: that Lauren and I will become your first subscribers, I'll
Speaker 1: hold you to that. Tori, thank you so much. I
Speaker 1: appreciate the time you take care. Thank you, Chris My.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Tori Spelling. Fascinating life, incredible insight. I love
Speaker 1: how honest, open, raw she is. She does not mind
Speaker 1: putting it out there. And I think maybe my biggest
Speaker 1: takeaway is just how despite growing up in the world
Speaker 1: she grew up in, she was able to stay focused,
Speaker 1: concentrated on her job, keep those blinders on, as she said,
Speaker 1: and she has done that and been incredibly successful and
Speaker 1: is now an amazing mom. And I wish her all
Speaker 1: the best, and I look forward to our paths crossing
Speaker 1: very soon. So my thanks to Tori and my thanks
Speaker 1: to you for listening. I hope you have a wonderful week,
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to talk to you next time.
Speaker 1: Because who knows what headlines are gonna pop up this week.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have a lot to talk about.
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