WEBVTT - Dramatic STori's 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:04.880 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heart 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:10.640 radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I'm 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:14.680 Chris Harrison. I hope everybody has had an amazing holiday 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.360 week and weekend. Um, I spent some time with the family, 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.400 was up with the kids at TCU. My son had 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:23.720 a couple of cross games. Congrats to the boys for 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.720 winning both their big games. UM, Lauren was not with me. 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.560 She went with me last week and we did the 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:33.120 sports stuff. Getting her to do that twice that was 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.720 a big ask. And she took a girl's trip this week. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.080 And if you've been following her social media, which you should, 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:40.960 by the way, if you're not following l Z on 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:45.040 social you're missing out maybe the most entertaining social media 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.680 site ever. But it's something we really believe in. We've 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.040 always believed in. Is is having our separate lives and 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:56.080 taking those girls trips, taking those boys trips, and you know, 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.280 they they feed your soul in ways that I can't. 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.200 And so I appreciate that, and I appreciate she has 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.840 dear friends that she really has had for most of 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:09.280 her adult life. And I think that's important. And I 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.520 remember I was actually dating somebody early on after my divorce, 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.600 and they had no girlfriends, no very few friends at all, 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:19.959 and I thought, that's that is a red flag. So 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:21.440 one of the things I love about Elzi is she 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.319 has so many dear friends in her life that she 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.720 makes a priority and wants to spend time with. So 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.920 Lzi is not going to be with me today. Filling 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:34.360 in and joining me today is Tor Spelling Donna Martin 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.920 nine O two one oh fame. There are so many 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.000 things I want to talk to Tori about, and I 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.080 am excited that she's joining us on the show. So, 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.520 without further ado, Hey Tori, how you doing today? Thank 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:50.360 you so much for being here. Hi Chris Harrison, we 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:54.840 have never met, we are we haven't watch you every week? 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:56.880 I guess well, our paths have never crossed. I thought 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.000 about this today. I'm like, and I probably have interviewed 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.520 you at some point when I was doing red carpet stuff, 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.440 but or we've probably been at the same event. But yeah, 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.440 we've never had the opportunity to spend some time together. 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.280 And so I am so happy to get to spend 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:12.520 a little time with you today and get to know 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.400 you in the and chat and then I have to 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.000 say your whole name every time I talk to you, 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.960 because I just you're just Chris Harrison to me. So 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:21.959 it happens. And by the way, it's okay, that's what 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:24.960 people do that in public. Uh. Lauren's EMA does not 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.560 do that to me, thankfully, but speaking of it would 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.320 be awkward. Elz is not here. She is on a 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.840 girl's trip. And usually we kicked the show off by 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.880 doing headlines. And so if you don't mind, you want 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.480 to jump in and do headlines with me, I would 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.079 love it. The first one we're going to talk about 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.359 is this Megan Fox story. Obviously, her and machine Gun 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:51.600 Kelly uh broke up and she got off Instagram, just 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.520 got got done with it, pulled it off, but she 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:59.160 came back. Megan Fox reactivated her Instagram accounts Sunday and 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.400 shared a post noting that there was no cheating involved 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:06.119 in her relationship with Machine Gun Kelly. So days after, 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.200 she deleted all the photos of herself and and machine Gun. 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.320 Do we call a machine gun? Um? I think we do? Yeah? 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:16.400 Mr gunn uh m g K from her profile, so 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.519 she removed all all the Instagram then she posted there 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.560 has been no third party interference. In this relationship of 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.240 any kind that includes, but is not limited to actual 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:30.720 humans d M s a I bots or succubus demons. 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.200 While I do hate to rob you of running random, 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.800 baseless news stories that would have been much more accurately 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.760 written by chat g pt uh, you need to let 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.640 this story die and leave all of these innocent people alone. Now, 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.360 First of all, I love the sense of humor, but Tory, 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:51.040 what's your take on this? So I did a deep dive. 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.880 I went down the rabbit hole on Sunday because I 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.440 was not watching football. So I literally I r L 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.200 in real type, I R I r D. Yeah, in 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:04.040 real time, I was in real life. I was like 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.200 watching this happen, and I went on to Instagram and 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.160 people were still like saying, oh my god, she's like 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.240 the burning of the letter and all that. And then 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.400 all of a sudden, her Instagram disappeared and they weren't 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.719 putting it on the news. I was looking at the 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.280 news feed simultaneously. Why I was doing this, I don't know. Sorry, 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.440 really bored, but um yeah, I watched her Instagram disappeared 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.200 and I was fascinated by this. And then there was 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.280 all that talk that you followed three people. It was 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:35.560 eminem Um, one other and Timothy Shallow me, which I 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.159 was like, Oh, that's a very mg K reference. I 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.840 feel like that could be her next it seemed personal 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:45.919 taking um. But yeah, this whole thing played out interferences. 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:47.960 Odd that she puts that because it happened during the 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.359 super Bowl, I would say, kind of took over the 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.839 super Bowl news except for Rihanna. Well, but what do 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.640 you think about her only coming back to say, hey, 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:01.640 there's no third party, he wasn't cheating. I I don't know. 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.119 I don't know. I have a lot of feelings about 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.400 this because I keep looking the person they're talking about, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.680 a Sophie Lloyd, who's guitarist, and then if you look 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.360 at his ex Summer Ray, if you meld the three 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.679 of them together, there one person really, one beautiful person, 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.120 by the way, one hot person. Yeah. I kind of 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:23.200 have a hot take on this. Okay, what is it? 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:24.920 And it was it got kind of personal for me, 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.760 and I felt I liked that she did this, and 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.279 here's why. So I went through a very public divorce 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:33.960 after being married for seventeen years, two kids and all 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.080 this stuff, and being the host of the show. I 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:41.200 was hosting the Batchelor Bachelrette series. Obviously, everything quickly went to, oh, 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:45.200 he's probably cheating, He's probably you know, sleeping around with 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.440 these girls, and that's probably what has driven the wedge 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.719 between him. That's instantly what everybody ran to, and that 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.800 couldn't have been further from the truth. And as much 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.280 as the tabloids tried to make that happen, they couldn't 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.840 make that story stick. And actually, my ex wife and 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.640 I had this conversation because it was very amicable and 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.640 we were still on talking terms. She said, you want 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.120 me to say something, and this was back during our divorce. 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.160 She said, you want me to go public and actually 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.279 make a statement like this, And we decided no. I said, 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.000 you know, when you throw more gasoline on the fire, 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:20.040 it's just only gonna exacerbate this. That was my feeling 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:21.960 at the time. But I respected the fact that she 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.400 had thought that through as well and was willing to 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.880 make that statement public. And so I kind of respect 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.880 the fact that Megan could have been a martyr. She 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.960 could have said just let this stuff go and everyone, oh, 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.520 whoa was Megan Fox and he's cheating on her, and 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.479 she could have gotten the sympathy vote, but she didn't 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.560 do that. She took that away to make this statement. 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.440 So I don't know if that's the reason she did it, 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.120 but I respect that only because it kind of hit 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:54.120 home for me. I understand that. And um, yeah, I 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.080 went through a very public divorce as well, and you know, 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.520 you always wish it was handled like you and your ex. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.480 That is great. Um, you're right. Megan is no victim, 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.919 and she never plays that card. Um, she says it 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.400 like it is. I don't know though, that there wasn't 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.000 something going on here. And you know what, you make 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.520 a really good point. It's always the man that they 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:16.880 say is the person doing it. What if it's the woman? 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:18.880 You know, what if she cheated on him. I don't 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:22.440 know the actual percentage, but it is either equal, I 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:26.760 think even larger. That more females, more women cheat on 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.880 their spouses than men. Right there, you go. What if 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:33.000 the dishonesty was like he said, he took the trash 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.400 out but he didn't. Right, But that that's that's immediately 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.360 what it went to. Well, it's it's you know, on 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.120 the like the tabloids, and you and I are no 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.440 stranger to this. Go straight to that obviously it's juicy, 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.360 it gets headlines, and then whether it's true or not 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.680 really doesn't matter because then they can report on if 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.920 it's not true. And again, this one thing that Megan 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.800 did do is now give this story legs. Now people 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.640 can write about this, and that's what they want. And 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.560 that's why we chose to remain silent, because I knew 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.440 there was no validity to my bs, and I knew 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.360 it would blow away. As much as they were trying 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.040 to call around town and see who I was sleeping 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.120 around with, I knew there was nothing there, so I 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.120 knew it would go away. And it helps when you can, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:13.720 you know, put your head down at night and there's 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.880 no skeletons in your closet. But I found it interesting 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.360 that she only came back just to say this and 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:21.240 did it with a great sense of humor as well. 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.960 She always has a really fun, dark sense of humor, 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:29.400 which I appreciate because I think she's hot. I've only 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:32.560 met her once when she she came in and I interviewed, 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:34.800 I think I'm actually talking to Brian Austin Green, someone 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.680 you know, and um, she came in with him, and 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:39.760 so I met her years and years ago. I don't 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.079 know if you know her. I actually worked with Megan 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:47.439 years ago on a series. This is how funny. They 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.640 really got it wrong this time. They we were in 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.360 a pilot together and I was a guest star. She 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.200 was a regular. And when the pilot went they actually 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.880 didn't have enough money for all the regulars, and they 0:08:57.920 --> 0:08:59.880 took her out of it and put me as a regular. 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.840 They really screwed up. But that she probably has no 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.040 recollection of this, but it was called The Help, and 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:10.000 she was like, seriously seventeen years old. But um, I 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:14.000 never met her with Brian. So that's the Megan Fox story. Um, 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:16.880 it's gonna be interesting to see where this goes from here. Though. Yeah, 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:18.959 I'm I'm I don't feel like they're over. Do you 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.240 feel like they're over something? Something tells me it just 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.760 it doesn't feel over. And that's why I was reluctant, 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:26.320 even from the top of this headline to say they're 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:31.640 broken up, because that move in what she's saying, it 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:35.760 doesn't feel completely over. I agree. I have one more 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.720 thing to say about it. What what about the therapy 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.800 session that paparazzi got the dark, grainy pictures of them 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:45.160 coming out of a therapy session together I did. That's 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:47.760 a hot take. I didn't even see this. You really 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.080 did do a deep dive now, I just happened. I 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.079 just happened to look her up once in a blue 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:56.360 men wait before this story came up. But yeah, no, 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.120 they were. They were leaving. I mean they could have 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.560 been leaving anywhere. They could have been leaving like chilies 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.840 or something. Having a bite to eat and giving his 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.840 stuff back. I don't know, but they said it was 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.840 a marriage counseling sugist doesn't feel Yeah, it doesn't feel 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:10.719 complete yet. It doesn't feel like we can put a 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.560 pin in this yet. I think we will have to 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:16.240 revisit the Megan Fox machine Gun Kelly story. Yeah, it 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.760 doesn't feel complete yet. You know what else doesn't really 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.760 feel complete yet? Chris Harrison the next headline that we're 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:24.680 going to talk about it, hopefully you'll talk about it 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.040 with me. Um. So there's a big headline out there, 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:32.560 exit remorse, ABC considering bringing back house did host Chris 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:38.160 Harrison to boost ratings. That's a big one out there. 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.360 I know, can you believe that I didn't see that headline? 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:45.199 When did that come out? Yeah? In all seriousness. Yes, 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:49.080 those headlines hit this week a lot, a lot, and 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.640 you know, it's funny speaking of a lot. There are 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:57.080 certain stories that hit and they are more impactful, and 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.840 I can tell because of who reaches out to me 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:02.880 in my life about this. So most stories that are written, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.560 you know, if my name is in the headline, you 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.360 get nothing, nobody. This one was interesting because I was 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.720 driving to get dinner the other night. My dad calls, 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:16.720 not strange, but I pick up the phone. He's like, Hey, 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.439 are you going back to that show you were working for? 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.080 And by the way he says that show, it didn't 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.960 mean that to be derogatory. Honestly, my dad probably does 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:29.560 not know the name of the show I was hosting 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.080 for twenty years. Uh, And I love him for that. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:36.600 And I'm not even joking, but exactly that show. So 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.760 Dad calls me. Then two of my best friends I 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:42.160 mean talking about friends I talked to on the daily 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.320 called and said, hey, are you are you going back? 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.720 What in the world is happening? So do you Tory? 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:51.160 Do you get that too? Of there are certain stories 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:53.160 that are so impactful, and you know because of who 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:56.320 reaches out to you personally all the time. I mean 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.160 they have written about my marriage. Well, we've been married 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:03.280 seventeen year, seventeen years, on again, off again, and I 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.560 know it's yeah. My brother reached out to me and 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.400 he's like, I know they always write stuff, but is 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.200 it true that you guys are Kenny in divorce? And 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.120 I was like, what about this one made it more 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.160 impactful that you thought maybe when this time it's true? 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.600 So yes, I know what you mean. It is interesting 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.560 though sometimes it does, it just strikes a chord. And 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.760 so this one obviously was very personal for a lot 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.240 of people who went through what I went through, and 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:26.640 they went through it with me. These are the people 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.120 that were in the right. They were in the foxhole 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.360 with me each and every day, and so these are 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:35.400 people that are are really shocked to see this headline. Well, 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:39.120 apparently ABC is considering bringing you back because they're having 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:43.720 dismal Bachelor ratings. Well, look here's the story as well. 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.000 By the way, the real story that broke was internal 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:51.600 conversations are being had by ABC executives about bringing me back. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:58.760 Do I think these conversations have happened? Probably, And and 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:03.200 here's why, I think it would almost be crazy not 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.360 to if you're running a business, any business at all, 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:11.439 and that business sales are down fifty to and falling, 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.120 and everybody can see the numbers. We know what's happening, 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.000 and you think there's something that could change that and 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.559 fix that. Of course you're going to have that conversation. 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.720 You would be crazy not to have that conversation. And 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:30.040 with the advent of this podcast, the most dramatic podcast ever, 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.040 They've seen the numbers, they've seen the response in my 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:37.400 social media. They're not deaf to all that they've seen 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:43.080 what's happening. So am I shocked that these conversations are happening. No, 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:45.800 it's not. It would not be a surprise. In fact, 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.560 I would be shocked if they weren't happening. Right And 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.800 when they say internal conversations, is that the version of 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.760 like a source says for like a celebrity, right, Well, 0:13:55.760 --> 0:14:00.400 they said a source within ABC said these con stations 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.240 are taking place. That was the actual story. And then 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:06.720 from there it's spread to you know, is Chris Harrison 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:10.000 coming back? And actually Chris Harrison is coming back and 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.800 they're talking to him, and so it obviously go you 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.280 know how it goes from there, clickbait, click bait, but 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.840 the two original stories had the source inside the network 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:23.040 saying these conversations were happening. Well, I wondered, do you 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.360 believe that ABC could have leaked the story? I mean 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.760 I keep going like, who put the story out there 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.920 to get legs? I mean, we know it's not Jesse Palmer, 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:36.280 So right, um, you know, I I don't. I don't know. Uh, 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.400 you know, you would have to ask them. But would 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.080 it be the craziest thing? Chris Harrison, hang on, you 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.080 call an ABC? Yeah, I have a direct number? And 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:46.800 do you go? Do you do? You go straight to 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:48.320 the top, you go to Mickey Mouse? Who do you 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.320 go to? Well? For years, I mean my dad had 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:52.760 all of his shows there and it used to be 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:57.920 called off the record Aaron Broadcast Company. So I'm pretty high. 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.200 I bet you do. Um, but sorry, what were you saying? Oh? 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:02.680 I just you know, would it be crazy to send 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.840 out that test balloon and to see how people respond? 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.880 Of course? Yeah, So it's it's not the most outlandish, 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.360 crazy story. Although it did make waves and it got 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.560 a lot. And again whether that was the intention of 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.960 all this, you know, who knows, but that it definitely 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:20.360 made the press. Well, I mean, that's not the real question. 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:24.680 The real question is would you consider going back? That's 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:28.240 the multimillion dollar question on the table, the multi zillion 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.640 dollar questions. Look here, here's the thing. And I'm not 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.040 being dodgy when I talk about this because I've talked 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:38.920 about it previously as well. It's complicated. First of all, 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.840 I live by the actiom never say never, because I 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:43.880 I just think in life and in business that comes 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.520 back to bite you in the butt. So I'll never 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:55.800 say never. But with that said, it is complicated. Would 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.760 I have that conversation? Yes. I also believe in relationships 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.360 and in business, take a phone call and you listen 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.000 and you have that conversation. Whether it's uncomfortable or not. 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.000 I think you've got to have that personal phone call. 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.800 So yes, I would have that conversation. I would listen. 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.600 I would listen to anybody who calls me and go 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:13.760 through it. But and I hate to leave it at that, 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.720 but it is very complicated and it would be very complicated. Wow, 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.200 you just left me wanting more, because when people say 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:26.720 it's complicated, they mean it's complicated. I mean, do you 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.160 miss doing the Bachelor? You have so much else going on? 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.800 You know, and I want to eventually get to you 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.160 on this because you have great perspective being a part 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.960 of a franchise that was so historic at nine oh 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.240 for a decade of your life and being known as 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.080 something and so you know, multiply that by two. So 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.160 for twenty years I was the host of this franchise 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:51.200 and it was a historic franchise as well. So I'm 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:54.200 grateful to that. I will always be grateful for that 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.240 in my life. It changed my life, It changed my 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.320 kids lives. I have a lot of friends that are 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.080 still there working on the show I really care about, 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.440 and so I loved my time, not all of it. 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.960 It was still a job and there were things I 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.120 didn't love, but that's the way it is at any job. 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:12.280 But overall, it was amazing. It was an incredible experience. 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.560 And I could go on and on about the travel 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:17.879 and seeing the world and having never done that in 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.560 my life and having that opportunity to taking my kids 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:22.760 around the world. So again, all these things that were 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.280 so wonderful my life have to do with this show. 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.840 And so many milestones happened during the show because it 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.119 was you know, from the time I was thirty, you know, 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.639 almost to when I was fifty years old. That's my 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.639 professional life when I was doing this show. So it 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.320 was really impactful and so yeah, I loved it. I 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:43.600 loved parts of it. Did it change? Yes? And was 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.159 it the same in the last several years. No, it 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:52.240 was not. And I was contemplating when it was going 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.040 to be time. That was the first time I started 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.920 having those conversations. And Lauren and I have have had 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:00.159 those conversations, and she, now that she's got to know me, 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.560 has even said, wow, I've I've I see now that 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:07.120 you you were really torn by this, and so that's 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:11.639 why I say it would be incredibly complicated. Okay, so 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.679 what I'm hearing here is ABC, if you're listening, and 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:19.520 you're obviously totally listening, he will take the call. We 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:21.720 have a lot to talk about. We'll see where this goes. 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.679 What about you? And I mean, because I don't mind 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:41.160 being synonymous with the Bachelor Bachlrette, I don't mind even 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.960 when I go out today and you know, I was 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:46.879 up in at TCU seeing my kids and people come 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.000 up to me and talk about the show, and I 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.720 don't mind that. Do you mind being known or called 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:57.240 Donna Martin and being known as Beverly Hills nine two one. Oh, 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:02.119 absolutely not. I actually get mad when I hear people 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.280 say like, oh, I'd rather stay away from that. I 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.560 don't want to talk about that show anymore. It's the 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.840 show that, you know, whether it's a TV show, movie, 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:13.399 anything that made you like, how could you not? So 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:18.359 I'm grateful and I always say I'm fifty Tory Donna, 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:22.720 like you know, we're we're technically the same person. So um, 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.080 I'll always be grateful. And when people say Donna, I 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:27.679 turn around just as fast as I do when they 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:29.760 say Tori. Well, I think it's interesting that there are 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.720 those and you know these people. Uh, there's even people 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.520 from my show that have gone on, and there's actors 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:39.000 and actresses. When they you'll bring something up or something's 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:40.840 mentioned in an interview and like, I don't want to 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.040 talk about that. Yeah, I don't want to talk about 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.280 being on the batchelor, right right, Yeah, that's not me anymore. 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:48.879 It's like, well, I understand, but it's the only reason 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:53.200 I'm talking to you. So it's okay to give into that. 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.040 But it doesn't have to define you the rest of 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.000 your life. You can go on and define yourself however 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.440 you want. But I find it interesting those people and 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:01.880 I'm during I guess my question to you is, who 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:03.879 are those people? What is it about certain people that 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.840 just they got to leave that certain part of their 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:08.879 past behind, whether it was a part they played or 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.600 a show they were on, But they can't. That's the thing. 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.360 They're trying to run away from, something that they'll never 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.159 run away from. So we should just take it head on, 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:20.680 answer the question, then move on to what you really 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:24.240 want to talk about. But dismissing in and saying that, oh, 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.879 you know, I don't know, because it's always if people 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:28.800 love you for a certain thing, they're always going to 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:30.720 love you for a certain thing. You're right, and we 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:33.920 loved you for Donna Martin and in that whole part 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.919 of it was so that show was so transformational for 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:39.680 so many people. And I know you've heard all these 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:44.280 stories obviously, but a show that's that impactful and was 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.439 a part of so many people's lives, how do you 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.320 deny that? You can't? I mean, I'm so grateful, Like 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:54.320 both of us were National treasures. National treasures, Chris Harrison, 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.080 you and I both so wait wait, So at night 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:00.239 I was doing the math. You were seventeen seventy when 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:04.879