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Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heart

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Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I'm

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison. I hope everybody has had an amazing holiday

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Speaker 1: week and weekend. Um, I spent some time with the family,

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Speaker 1: was up with the kids at TCU. My son had

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Speaker 1: a couple of cross games. Congrats to the boys for

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Speaker 1: winning both their big games. UM, Lauren was not with me.

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Speaker 1: She went with me last week and we did the

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Speaker 1: sports stuff. Getting her to do that twice that was

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Speaker 1: a big ask. And she took a girl's trip this week.

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Speaker 1: And if you've been following her social media, which you should,

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Speaker 1: by the way, if you're not following l Z on

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Speaker 1: social you're missing out maybe the most entertaining social media

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Speaker 1: site ever. But it's something we really believe in. We've

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Speaker 1: always believed in. Is is having our separate lives and

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Speaker 1: taking those girls trips, taking those boys trips, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they they feed your soul in ways that I can't.

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Speaker 1: And so I appreciate that, and I appreciate she has

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Speaker 1: dear friends that she really has had for most of

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Speaker 1: her adult life. And I think that's important. And I

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Speaker 1: remember I was actually dating somebody early on after my divorce,

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Speaker 1: and they had no girlfriends, no very few friends at all,

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Speaker 1: and I thought, that's that is a red flag. So

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Speaker 1: one of the things I love about Elzi is she

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Speaker 1: has so many dear friends in her life that she

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Speaker 1: Lzi is not going to be with me today. Filling

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Speaker 1: in and joining me today is Tor Spelling Donna Martin

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Speaker 1: nine O two one oh fame. There are so many

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Speaker 1: things I want to talk to Tori about, and I

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Speaker 1: am excited that she's joining us on the show. So,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, Hey Tori, how you doing today? Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being here. Hi Chris Harrison, we

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Speaker 1: have never met, we are we haven't watch you every week?

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Speaker 1: I guess well, our paths have never crossed. I thought

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Speaker 1: about this today. I'm like, and I probably have interviewed

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Speaker 1: but or we've probably been at the same event. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've never had the opportunity to spend some time together.

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Speaker 1: And so I am so happy to get to spend

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Speaker 1: a little time with you today and get to know

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Speaker 1: you in the and chat and then I have to

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Speaker 1: say your whole name every time I talk to you,

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Speaker 1: because I just you're just Chris Harrison to me. So

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Speaker 1: it happens. And by the way, it's okay, that's what

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Speaker 1: people do that in public. Uh. Lauren's EMA does not

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Speaker 1: do that to me, thankfully, but speaking of it would

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Speaker 1: be awkward. Elz is not here. She is on a

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Speaker 1: girl's trip. And usually we kicked the show off by

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Speaker 1: doing headlines. And so if you don't mind, you want

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Speaker 1: to jump in and do headlines with me, I would

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Speaker 1: love it. The first one we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: is this Megan Fox story. Obviously, her and machine Gun

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Speaker 1: got got done with it, pulled it off, but she

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Speaker 1: came back. Megan Fox reactivated her Instagram accounts Sunday and

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Speaker 1: shared a post noting that there was no cheating involved

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Speaker 1: in her relationship with Machine Gun Kelly. So days after,

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Speaker 1: has been no third party interference. In this relationship of

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Speaker 1: any kind that includes, but is not limited to actual

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Speaker 1: While I do hate to rob you of running random,

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Speaker 1: baseless news stories that would have been much more accurately

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Speaker 1: this story die and leave all of these innocent people alone. Now,

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Speaker 1: First of all, I love the sense of humor, but Tory,

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Speaker 1: what's your take on this? So I did a deep dive.

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Speaker 1: you think about her only coming back to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: And it was it got kind of personal for me,

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Speaker 1: and I felt I liked that she did this, and

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Speaker 1: here's why. So I went through a very public divorce

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Speaker 1: after being married for seventeen years, two kids and all

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Speaker 1: this stuff, and being the host of the show. I

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Speaker 1: was hosting the Batchelor Bachelrette series. Obviously, everything quickly went to, oh,

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Speaker 1: She said, you want me to go public and actually

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Speaker 1: stranger to this. Go straight to that obviously it's juicy,

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel complete yet. You know what else doesn't really

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Speaker 1: feel complete yet? Chris Harrison the next headline that we're

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Speaker 1: with me. Um. So there's a big headline out there,

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Speaker 1: Harrison to boost ratings. That's a big one out there.

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Speaker 1: kind of let define my life. I hated my eyes

427
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 1: for years, just until recently, because people used to be like, oh,

428
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 1: bug eyes, frog eyes, and I'd be like, oh my god,

429
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: my big eyes suck. Now I realized they're one of

430
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: my best assets. At seventeen years old. Eighteen years old

431
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: so difficult. And I at the beginning of this, you know,

432
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: when I was talking about you coming on the show.

433
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: What I find interesting is I don't love talking to

434
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 1: people where everything is perfect in life and you know,

435
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: they're just you know, living life one positive quote after

436
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 1: the other. I like people who I mean, you, honestly,

437
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 1: percentage wise shouldn't even be sitting here. Child star. Father

438
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: was unbelievably famous, as you said, I mean, running every

439
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: network and getting everything. You know, if he pitched something

440
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: at lunch, it was on that afternoon. So growing up

441
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, growing up under the shadow of that, and

442
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: then being famous yourself and then going the reality route,

443
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: it's amazing you're sitting here. Yeah, I was always a

444
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: good girl. I was a good kid, and I you

445
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: know what, I was always work focused and I think

446
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: I learned that from my dad. I mean, my dad

447
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: was a workaholic, but on the weekends, always many time

448
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: for us. And I grew up with that like sense

449
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: of drive. I'm super driven, like I want something to happen.

450
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep going until it happens. And I've always

451
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: been like that. So I didn't have time to get

452
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: lost in the Hollywood shuffle of like, you know, I

453
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: went out and stuff, but going down the rabbit hole

454
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: of drugs and stuff, you know, I was focused on

455
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 1: doing my job and what was the next big thing. Yeah,

456
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: but you say that so almost flippantly, I know it

457
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. No, you had to make those decisions. I

458
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: mean you look at the percentage of child stars, especially

459
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: that come from a very famous parent like that. It's

460
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 1: not a it's not an easy task. I mean, kudos

461
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: to your parents, who I don't know either. Um, I

462
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: didn't know, but that is amazing though that you you

463
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: were centered with that drive and never never took a

464
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: right when you easily could have. You stayed on this path,

465
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: you easily could have taken that. Well. I didn't say

466
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: I was a good driver, but yes, well you were

467
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: kind of known. And this, this actually brings me to

468
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: a headline that maybe I buried here because you were

469
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: known Donna Martin as America's virgin. Yes, obviously something else

470
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: that was difficult to carry with you through your teenage

471
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: years and then into your twenties. But did I read

472
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: this story right? You have spent money, You've been paying

473
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: money to see Denise Richards naked on Only Fans? Is

474
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: this true? Guilty? For real? Yes, this is for real.

475
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: So Denise and I have been friends since well she

476
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: was on nine two one we met. That's when we met,

477
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: like when she was like fifteen, So we've known each

478
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: they're all these years, stayed friends, were good friends, and yeah,

479
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 1: when I heard she was on Only Fans, I was like, interesting,

480
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I was like, hmm, can I

481
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: can an actress like really transition and do this and

482
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: still have her career and still be okay with being

483
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: a mom and people not giving her, you know, a

484
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: hard time. So I did click on there at Christmas dinner,

485
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: which is what everyone does at the Christmas dinner table. Yeah,

486
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: we're deciding do we want to play card games or

487
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: look at Denise Richard's naked and the way well done?

488
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: You know what. I'm a smart cookie, Harrison, so I yeah,

489
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: so I want to look on it to just be like, oh,

490
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: let's see what this is. But they get you. They're

491
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: super smart. On only Fans. They cover things up. You know.

492
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: There was like a peach covering something and it was

493
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: like I was like, oh, well, I can't see anything.

494
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: Oh but if you subscribe you can see more. So

495
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: and then it says if you d M the person

496
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: um and tip them, they're more likely to send you

497
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: a picture faster because they send a picture to your

498
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: d M. For all those who have never been on

499
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: Only Fans, I'll admit, and I'm not just lying for

500
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: public consumption here. I've never been on only Fans, So

501
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: I actually had no hits complicated. I had no idea.

502
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: I actually don't know. I mean, I know you have

503
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: to pay and they need a subscription, but so you

504
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: don't you did you then subscribe? And did you d

505
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: M Denise? I did? And I did it under my alias,

506
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: which is like my hotel alias. I've checked in for

507
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: years since nine o two one. Oh. So I was like,

508
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: she probably knows that name. Probably told her, well, I'm

509
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: I'm dying to ask you what that alias is. I

510
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: can't tell you. Well, it's it's it's a pairing of

511
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: my first dog and in the nineties my favorite star. Interesting.

512
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 1: Um but I yeah, and so I was like, HI,

513
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: would love to see how are you? Would love to

514
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: see more? I like what I see, would love to

515
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: see more. And I think tipping did get me a

516
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: d M faster because I got a picture and then

517
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that looks good. Okay, well but

518
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: now I want to see more. So it really gets

519
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: you going in that rabbit hole. And then the next

520
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: day I saw that you could get a v I

521
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: P subscription and it was like, normally I'm not going

522
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: to see the number, right, but it was like a

523
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars but today only it's so of

524
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: course I had to do the v I It's just

525
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: like going to Costco. You never know what consumers. And

526
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,959
Speaker 1: I was like, look at the deal I'm getting here.

527
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: I'm getting a good deal. So I got it anyway, Yeah,

528
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: four hundred dollars later, Um, I saw a lot more

529
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: of my friend than I've ever seen. So so I

530
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: don't know how far is Denise taken. This is it topless?

531
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: Is it full nude? What you doing? Okay? Do you

532
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: see feet? Feet is a big one. As I was

533
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: doing this, the foot culture out there is really bizarre.

534
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. As I was doing this and my

535
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: friends are like, you would do really well and only fans,

536
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know. And then my son,

537
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: who is ten and is always on his video games

538
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: and never looks up, he goes, Mom, actually put your

539
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: feet on feet Finder. You'll do much better. And I go,

540
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: what Finn? He goes, feet Finder, You'll make a lot

541
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: of money. Have you ever done a deep drive on

542
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: feet Finder? My ten year old should not be on that.

543
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, Lauren went on at one time because she's

544
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: very she's very highly rated because she was on Entertainment

545
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: Tonight for so many years and obviously I guess show

546
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: her feet from time to time and so you're talking

547
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: wicky feet? Oh is that what that is? Okay? So yeah,

548
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: she was on so wherever they rate your feet, she was.

549
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: She was very highly rated. And I said, babe, do

550
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: do start with some foot stuff. Let's go. Um, so

551
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 1: am I to understand? First of all, you saw your

552
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: friend naked, and have you talked to Denise about this? So?

553
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: Oh so she just shows boobs and butt no bottom

554
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: half front and so just to clear up, have you

555
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: talked to her? Did she does? She finally know that

556
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: it was tory spelling, so I felt really weird. So

557
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: I texted her that night and I said, hey, Mama,

558
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: I just want to talk to you about something. It

559
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: was Christmas, though, so she didn't text me back. And

560
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: then next week I went on Jeff Louis Live and

561
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: I told the story and then Dense texted me and

562
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm dying. That is the funniest thing.

563
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: And I said, all fairness, I tried to text you first.

564
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: You didn't respond because I'm so sorry. We were stick

565
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: over Christmas. So yeah, she knows. Maybe the biggest question,

566
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: are you seriously contemplating doing only fans? It's complicated. No,

567
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: you can't repeat my answer, Oh I can't. Okay, Uh

568
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: I would. I would take the call because I know

569
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: I always believe in taking the call and just listening. Okay,

570
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. So you're saying there's a chance. So

571
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: you're saying there's a chance. Um, you know what, help

572
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: me through this one, Chris Harrison? What would be the

573
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: pros and cons for me as an outside perspective of

574
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: someone in this business? You have five six children? Right? Yes?

575
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: Five at home? Still are all six? Um, my stepson

576
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: is here, actually my stepdaughters here. I have seven kids

577
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: in the house right now. So five from my belly, yes, good,

578
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: and they range from the ones from my belly are

579
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: from ages fifteen to five. Okay, so that's a lot.

580
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: By the way, God bless you. So now you know

581
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: why I'm thinking about only I mean clearly, I know

582
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are doing it and making

583
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: absolute bank on this and crushing it. Yes, in your mind,

584
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: what would you be willing to do like scantily clad,

585
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: like dressed lingerie? We're talking just feet. Maybe you just

586
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: dabble and start with the foot stuff. But how like

587
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: in your in all seriousness, how far do you think

588
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: you would be willing to go? Well, I did do

589
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: a deeper dive, and I see like my friend comedian

590
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: Atney Cummings is on Only Fans and she does it

591
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: and her in there was you know, I'm going to

592
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: tell you if you dm me jokes like dirtier jokes

593
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't normally get. So I was like, maybe

594
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: there's a creative way. I like comedy. I do a

595
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: lot of funny skits. Maybe there's something I could do

596
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: and be scantily clad in those skits. I don't know,

597
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: because what here's the thing with me, No matter what

598
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: I do, people have something to say about it. Of course,

599
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: I guess I'm polarizing. I don't know. Well, I don't

600
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: think you're polarizing. I think you're just you've had this

601
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: part of our heart and soul and that's what That's

602
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: what I guess hits me is what would people pay

603
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: to see Donna Martin from nine one oh naked? Or

604
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: of course they're going to that would be a draw.

605
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: I mean, see, it has to be that it has

606
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: to be some sort of America's favorite virgin. It would

607
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: have to be some sort of Donna Martin nod which

608
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: is that just crossing the line altogether naked at the

609
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: peach pit like we're going with this? I just I know,

610
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating and I wonder how many of

611
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: these conversations have taken place in households across America when

612
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, people are seeing how much money is being made,

613
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: and I'm sure some of it's being over, you know,

614
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: exaggerated millions and millions and I made a million dollars

615
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: this month or whatever, but there's still a lot of

616
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: money being made. And I'm sure Denise, if you've talked

617
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: to her, has she said what the downside is? Has

618
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: she felt any negativity towards this other than having to

619
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: deal with the fact that she is a mom as well?

620
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: She has said she thought she would have a backlash

621
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: because she's a mom and an actress, and she says, no,

622
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: it's quite the opposite. So but yeah, it would be

623
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: a hard one because I know the fans are super

624
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: invested in me as Donna Martin, America's virgin um. And

625
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: if I was going to do something like this, it

626
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: should have been years ago. I mean the Donna Martin

627
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: like vibrator or something something we could have done somewhere. Yeah.

628
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: My sman always said I missed the boat and I

629
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: should have made the Donna Martin pocket, So, um, wait,

630
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: can I say that on your show? Absolutely, the Donna Martin,

631
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: the Donna Martin Pocket. Thank you it's not not easy

632
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: to say, um, rolls just right off your tongue. I

633
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: just had a question, and for some reason, the pocket

634
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: definitely threw me. How would you justify this and how

635
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: would you have this conversation with your kids? Oh? Good thing,

636
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: good good one, good one, good one. Um. I think

637
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: as long as here's something, I think only fans gets

638
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,239
Speaker 1: a bad name. So before only fans was, you know,

639
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: born and nude. It was actually I remember them approaching

640
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: me and it was going to be like a cameo

641
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: type situation where you could go and do videos and

642
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: talk to your fans and they could tip you all that,

643
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden it took a different direction.

644
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: And now I think they're really trying to bring it back.

645
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: The people they have chefs on making meals. I don't

646
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: know if they're doing it naked, but it's just I

647
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: don't know. So I feel like if there's another way

648
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: in I'm not saying I wouldn't show revealing stuff. I

649
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: do that anyway on my own Instagram. So like, I

650
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: think my kids would be supportive. Dean would have no

651
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: problem with this. He totally supports it. He's like, go

652
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: make that money, baby, please. He came up with the

653
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: idea of the Donna Martin pocket. He doesn't want me

654
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: to be on only fans. He's like, go for it.

655
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's interesting. I just put myself in

656
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: this position of if what I would feel about Lauren,

657
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: and look, if she wants to do something like that,

658
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: I support her. She's her own woman, and that's what

659
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: I love about it. You don't. You can't love a

660
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: woman for being strong and independent and then when they

661
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: do something strong and independent you have a problem with it. Um,

662
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: So whatever you want to do, but it would be

663
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: hard for me, it would be hard for me to

664
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: share her like that got you. Yeah, that's personal to me. Well,

665
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see what happens with if I take

666
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: that call again. Maybe start with you know, do you

667
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: have pretty feet? Maybe just start with the feet. I

668
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: have great feet. Okay, maybe we just start with the

669
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: feet and then we work our way up and you

670
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: have like really nice knee caps. I don't know if

671
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: kneecaps are a fetish, but then we just kind of,

672
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: you know, get to an elbow. Just make it just

673
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: start simple. On only fans, you mean only fans. Here's

674
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: the thing, I think if you're gonna like, you gotta

675
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: come out of the gate big, go bigger, go home.

676
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying like show it all. You gotta

677
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: either going to do it or you're not. Yeah, I

678
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: can't like dip your toe in the water. I can't

679
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: wait to see where this story goes. I know me too.

680
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm getting excited about it just talking to you. When

681
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: you make your decisions, when you make your decision, will

682
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: you come back here and let me know? Um? Yes?

683
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: And will when you make your decision, will can I

684
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: come back here and will you let me know? Yes?

685
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: I guarantee there we will have this conversation. Great mutual agreement.

686
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: Mutual agreement. Yeah, ABC only fans you know where to

687
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: reach us. You know, the press for this would be bonkers.

688
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: People would go crazy. And this I do. It's something

689
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: that you know. Again, I just met you today, but

690
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: I feel like again and people say this to me,

691
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: I feel like I know you because I have seen

692
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: story after story after story. I feel like I went

693
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: through the life and times with your family and then

694
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: afterwards in the your marriage and the problems in your marriage.

695
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: Like I feel like the press has been on you

696
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: every day and so it has been relentless in your life.

697
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: How have you managed that? It's not easy, it's hard,

698
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: it's you know. I try to give my kids as

699
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: normal a life as possible. Um, but you know, they're aware.

700
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: They're aware when there's paparazzi following us, they're aware, you know,

701
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: and fans are coming up that you know. And I

702
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: know for some of them it's easier and for some

703
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, we just want you, we want

704
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: it to be private. Um. For me, I've kind of

705
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 1: gone through life with like blinders on. I think because

706
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: I had to. It was like a a protective mechanism

707
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: that I didn't even know I did. I remember at

708
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: the height of nine, like my friends not in nine two,

709
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: and we would be out and there'd be like, oh

710
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: my god, everyone's staring at you. Everyone's looking and I'd

711
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: be like, I didn't even notice it, because I think

712
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: it was my own like functioning way of like to

713
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: go through life, because I never wanted to be that

714
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: person to be like I can't go out, I can't

715
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: do that, and I don't want my kids to live

716
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: that life. So and my dad back in the day,

717
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I was in a tabloid

718
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: and it was horrific, talking about like plastic surgery. And

719
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: I was seventeen. I'd had I had my nose done,

720
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: but that was it. And they were writing, I had

721
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: ribs removed and like my cheekbones, all this horrible stuff

722
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: and again you're seventeen, eighteen years old. Yeah, and like

723
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: broke my heart. And my dad said, Babe, was that

724
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: He talked like this, Babe, be happy they're talking about you.

725
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: Be worried when they're not talking about you anymore? Interesting?

726
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: How old were you when your dad passed? I was

727
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: thirty three two, And you guys had it. It It sounds

728
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: like you'll had an amazing relationship. We did, and the

729
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: daddy's girl. And how about your mom? So that's that's

730
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: another one. Like a story that was very public, was

731
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: your relationship with your mom, especially after your dad passed,

732
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: and all the money and the finances and all that,

733
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: like for all that to go public, how and the

734
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: press was just relentless, relentless to the point where I

735
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: mean today we're very close. And it took a long time,

736
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: and well we kind of get into it sometimes about

737
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: the press and the effect it had on it and

738
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: then we kind of say, let's put in the past.

739
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: But you know, to a certain extent, I think that

740
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: fed into our relationship and the demise of our relationship, um,

741
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: because you know, you can't help but reading stuff over

742
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: and over every week and think, wow, does my own

743
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 1: parents hate me? And she's like, does my own daughter

744
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: hate me? And it was Yeah, it was brutal. And

745
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: that's happened to me with several people in my life

746
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: relationship wise, that the press just you know, blows it

747
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: out of purport. Shouldn't you believe it? And that's the

748
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: thing I know. People are like, it's it's hard to

749
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: fathom how constant press like that can actually affect a

750
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: relationship because what you're thinking is we'll just we'll just

751
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: call them or just talk to him, like it's your

752
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: mom or it's your friend. Right, But do you hear

753
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: so much all the time? It does drive a wedge.

754
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: It actually can get to you. You start reading quotes

755
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: and you're like, well they did say that, and the

756
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: way they write these things and the way people talk

757
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: it's creative and it's good. Is there is there a

758
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: person in particular that you felt it? It drove a

759
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: wedge in between you. That didn't really exist a thousand

760
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: percent um with Shannon Doherty like on nine O two

761
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: and oh, she and I were best friends, like I'm

762
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: best friends with Jenny Garth. I would say Shannon and

763
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: I were equally just as close back then. She was

764
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: actually my first friend when I joined Nino. We did

765
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: everything together. My dad used to say, like, I love

766
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: seeing you and Shannon come down your PJ sleeping over

767
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: at the manor, Like we were so close. Um, and

768
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: she really took me under her wing, and that invit ARONMNT.

769
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: And you know, she ended up getting married, she left

770
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: the show. Um, and our lives just kind of moved on.

771
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: But nothing happened between us. We never had a falling out.

772
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: We never even had a fight. And the press suddenly

773
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: made us you know, she was my nemesis, like she

774
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: was the one like I hated her, and we had

775
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: this huge public fight that I read about for years

776
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: to the point where I was terrified. I was like,

777
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: Shannon hates me, Oh my gosh. And then I was

778
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: at a Playboy mansion party, says everyone, but you know

779
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: back in the early two thousands, Yes, um, and I

780
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: was there and I said, oh, Shannon's here, and I

781
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 1: literally I was like, oh my god, my heart fell

782
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: into my feet and I was like, I gotta get

783
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: out of here. And they're like, why Shannon, like from

784
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: your show, and I was like, she hates me. I

785
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: can't I can't see her. So it was a mutual

786
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: friend and they're like no, no, no no. So they went

787
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: over and they came back and they said, Shannon knows

788
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: you're here, and she actually wants to see you. She

789
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: wants to talk to you. So I was so scared.

790
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: So I went over and we both ended up saying

791
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: that we had thought the press had pitted us together.

792
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: We thought the other one hated each other, and it

793
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: never existed. To this day, people always still put like, oh, yeah,

794
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: they had this horrible relationship. They hated each other. It

795
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: was never her and eye other people but not me,

796
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: Like what a shame though, think about that, like you

797
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: all but lost a great friend just because of that.

798
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 1: I lost years with one of my best friends because

799
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: of that. And we hugged it out and made up

800
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: and and we're friends now. But it, yeah, it took years.

801
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: That would have been a great storyline on nine two one. Oh.

802
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: So the other thing that Uh, you kind of just

803
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: slipped in there. I love that you just your dad said,

804
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: I love having you guys at the manor. Yeah, I

805
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: had sleepovers at a house um, not a manner um.

806
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: I need to look up. My mom had stationary and

807
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: she had penns that said stolen from the manner um.

808
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: But that is that is amazing. And it happened on

809
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: our show from time to time that the press and

810
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: the most difficult part of the relationship post back, and

811
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: that's red is the show stops filming. You're together, and

812
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: then the show hasn't quite aired yet, so it's all

813
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: a secret, and you're not living together because you can't

814
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: for the secrecy, and you're trying to keep everything out

815
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: of the press, and so these stories start going that

816
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: so and so is out and about and he's already

817
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: seeing somebody else or he's calling it, and so we are.

818
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: We always had to patch things up and deal with

819
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: the tabloid rumors, and sometimes couples would break up before

820
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: they ever had a chance to succeed just because of

821
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: all the press, and it's it was such a bummer

822
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: and it's something we had to constantly fight. But that

823
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: it's a real thing. And I know that sounds crazy

824
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: to be like, what are you talking about? Just pick

825
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: up the phone and say that's not real, but it

826
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: it just happens, and it's relentless, and there's so much

827
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: of it that you finally start to believe some of

828
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: the press absolutely. And that's interesting to hear that because

829
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: for us, it's like they wrote stories about us our

830
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: whole career, so we're semi used to it, so it

831
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: is surprising to think that we're buying into the press

832
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: as well. But for couples on The Bachelor, they're real

833
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: people who have never dealt with faith before, and now

834
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: suddenly they're writing that I would believe. At first, I

835
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, he totally, that's happened immediately, So

836
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: that's crazy. The more we've been talking today, the more

837
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: I realize our lives are so drastically different. I am

838
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: an empty nester. I just got back from seeing my

839
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: kids up at college this weekend at TCU UM And

840
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: you have seven under one roof, yeah, seven under one roof? Yeah?

841
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. What is life like on the daily?

842
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: Is it just crazy? Like? How are you? You had

843
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: an hour to spend with me? Well, we'll see if

844
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: something is on fire when I go downstairs after this,

845
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: let's pray not Um. It's never predictable. It's fun, it's chaotic. Um,

846
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: it's crazy. It's literally insane. I always say I wish

847
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: people could really know, because I'll tell friends I can't

848
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: do this or work like I have to. You know,

849
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: I can't do this, I have this and that, and

850
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, well, we're busy too, and it's like, okay, yeah,

851
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: you're right. But if they really came and spent a

852
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: day in my house, people would be like, oh whoa.

853
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: I remember thinking I was busy when I had no kids,

854
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: and then life got crazy because I had one kid.

855
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: And I always tell people every time you have another,

856
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: I have to It's not it multiplies by like three,

857
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: it's not. The math doesn't work out when you have kids.

858
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: At what point for you, though, does it stop getting

859
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: exponentially crazy or is it at three? Is it at five?

860
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: At some point it's got it can't just you know,

861
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: like just one start taking here of the other one

862
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: just gets lost. It's it's what point that was really

863
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: growing up? At the manner, I'm the one that got

864
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: lost in the manner still couldn't find my way out

865
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: of that place. It was so big. But uh, now

866
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: it's like a ten point five on the RCT scale.

867
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: Every single day. I would say, my oldest daughter, who

868
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: is fourteen, does take care of the others. She'll definitely

869
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: take care of the five year old. They all kind

870
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: of parent the five year old. He's gonna grow up

871
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: real screwed up because he's not sure who his parent is,

872
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: like he has everyone parenting him. Um, but I don't

873
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: know if it gets easier, I don't know. And then

874
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: what is it like as an empty nester, Like it

875
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: must be so quiet, it's very The quiet was the

876
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: toughest thing for me to get used to post even

877
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: post divorce, when you've been around your kid seven and

878
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: I was very active and involved and coached and did

879
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: all the things that mommy and me and everything. So

880
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: going from that to the when you have your week

881
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: off or whatever it is with your arrangement not having

882
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: your kids, that quiet is a difficult thing to get

883
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: used to. And when my son left for college, I

884
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: still had my daughter and we have a great relationship,

885
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: and I was like glooming onto her. I mean it

886
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: was probably annoying, but now that she's gone to college.

887
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: It is really wild to just have days weeks where

888
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 1: you don't see them. You know, we talk or text,

889
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: but it's really bizarre that that quiet and calm in

890
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: your life. It's a good feeling because you've accomplished something,

891
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: because you have wonderful children that are great human beings

892
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: and they're crushing it in life. So there is the

893
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: pride factor. But then there's the sadness of yesterday. He

894
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: was banging pots and pans on the on the floor

895
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: of the you know, kitchen, and I don't remember when

896
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: he didn't walk. I don't remember when he you know,

897
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: you start forgetting things, and it was those things I

898
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: love that the coaching Little League and soccer and all

899
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 1: those going to the recitals and all the performances. Those

900
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: are the things that I relished and love so much,

901
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: and that I unders saying why people have more and

902
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: have more because it's like you want to you want

903
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: to keep that feeling. You're making my ovaries ache real

904
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: bad right now. That window closes quick, and it's it's weird.

905
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,919
Speaker 1: It's not college. It's when they start driving that really

906
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: hit me. It was that hitting sixteen and you have

907
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: gotten up every day, made them launch take him to

908
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: school as soon as schools out of thirty, you're an

909
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: uber driver for you for you know, for the next

910
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: six hours, you're an uber driver and you're a short

911
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: order cook. And when that's over, when your kids are like,

912
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: oh no, I have practiced after then I'm doing this

913
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: and I'm doing this, I'm like, wait, so I'm not

914
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: going to see you for the next twelve hours. That

915
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: that's when it really starts to hit you and you

916
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: realize that window is closing quickly. I my fifth year

917
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: old is now way taller than me. He's and his

918
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: voice is getting deep, and I forget all the time,

919
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: and I think, oh my god, there's someone in the house.

920
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: And I freak out because I see like a figure

921
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: walked by in the kitchen. I'm coming out of my

922
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: hallway and and then I hear of voice and I'm like,

923
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, Mike Stella called nine on one. I'm like,

924
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: oh no, it's it's my kid. It's my kid. And

925
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: the hot water bill goes up. The showers get longer,

926
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: and uh, he's about the showers for long. He's about

927
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: to go into the guttural noise phase of being a

928
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: boy where they stopped talking and they just they answer

929
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: with sounds like they all do that, all do that,

930
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: and and hey huh. And so I thought it was

931
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: just TikTok though that no, no, you're you're gonna get

932
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: that for about five years and all of a sudden

933
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: they just snap out of it and you're like, oh,

934
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: hey man, so good to see you again. Welcome back

935
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: to earth. Yea, my son now, well, he's all into conversations.

936
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: He's a great it's wonderful. And I'm like, I missed you. Welcome,

937
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: welcome home. You know what you need now, don't say it.

938
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: You need another one? You need a new baby, I

939
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: was going to say, a grandchild. I can't wait for

940
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: it to be. I love babies, I do. I loved

941
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: being I knew I wanted to be a dad. I

942
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: knew I wanted that life. I couldn't wait for it

943
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: um and I loved every moment of it. But I

944
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: do think that God gives you this finite amount of

945
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: time when you have the patience to handle this. And

946
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: I know, I only know how to do things all

947
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: in I'm either doing it or I'm not in anything

948
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: in life, and parenting is the same way, and the

949
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: thought of going back to that stage of the diapers,

950
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 1: the you know, getting into the right school and going

951
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 1: to all the recitals and all that. Yeah, I think

952
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm excited too for the next stage of just spoiling

953
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: nieces and nephews and eventually no rush kids grandchildren rush

954
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: and then they go home. Yeah, I could already tell,

955
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: like my patients, with my five year old as a

956
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: mom is real different than it was with my fifteen

957
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: year old when he was that age. Well, and after

958
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: doing it for the fifth time, I'm sure, but there

959
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: are there are some things I don't know if you've noticed, though,

960
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: you probably have much better perspective with your five year old.

961
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: You know what to be worried about, you know what

962
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: to care about, compared to when the first one comes

963
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: and everything is a big deal. Yes, I was a

964
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: helicopter mom everything. I was paranoid about everything. Now I'm like,

965
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: you're fine, You're fine, he's ten. Should he already be

966
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: playing golf? Should you have a swing coach? Should he

967
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: be doing this? And it is you know, our mascore

968
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: is like, he's fine. You know this, And by the way,

969
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: the five year old is going to be probably the

970
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: most talented and the most incredible at whatever he does

971
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: because he dolay golf. Actually, there you go, because he's

972
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: gonna grow up just following his passions and doing what

973
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: he actually really loves. Do you have animals? We don't.

974
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: I did, we had, we had dogs, but we we

975
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: don't have any here in Austin. So I feel like

976
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: I supplement more babies with animals. But we're gone. We're

977
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: gone so much and we love that. And that's one

978
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: thing that Lord and I have loved is this chapter

979
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: of our lives of being able to pick up and

980
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: just go. And I wasn't able to do that when

981
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: I was working on the Bachelor, And that's been one

982
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: of the blessings is we can just go. We can

983
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: go see the kids. We and go on the you know,

984
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: she goes on these girl trips. I go on my

985
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: boys trips. And we love that. We love having our

986
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: independent lives, which are very important. Can you indeed, because

987
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: I Lord and I say you have to have a

988
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: separate life. There are things you get from your girls,

989
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: your your girlfriends that we can't feed that part of

990
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: your soul and you need and you need to miss

991
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: each other from time to time with that many kids,

992
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: with the life you have, can you indeed do that? Um?

993
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: He does a little bit. He plays hockey and golf,

994
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: so he has his outlets. I don't. That's important and

995
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: it's not good. No, you need that. It's really work

996
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: and take care of kids. And it's yeah. I go

997
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: through phases where I'm like, Okay, I'm going to spend

998
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: time with my girlfriends and the public probably knows when

999
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm having my like okay moments where because they'll see

1000
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: me out like at restaurants and getting my photos taken,

1001
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: and then they'll be like two years, we don't see

1002
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: me like publicly at all unless I'm working. Um, And

1003
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: that's where I'm just like back in the whole of

1004
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: like kids, kids, kids, I'm like in that right now.

1005
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: I need to get out of it. I need to

1006
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: like have more meat time. It's hard, and I get it,

1007
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: you know, preaching to the choir here of it's so

1008
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: easy to lose yourself when you have children, and I

1009
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: think especially for women, for the moms, it's easy to

1010
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: lose your You have to work hard to to not

1011
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: and you have so many site hustles. I know you

1012
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: and Jenny are doing the n podcast, which is crushing it.

1013
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: Yes on OMG, and you and your bff are also

1014
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: you have a decor line. Yes, Home to core Line

1015
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: just launched on QVC, so we're super excited about that.

1016
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: We design every single aspect of it. Um, we're really

1017
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: proud of it and working on it for three years

1018
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: and finally launched and then um we have a great

1019
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: Home to Core line. And then in July we're coming

1020
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: out with Christmas in July, so a whole Christmas PFF

1021
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 1: line for the holidays of tree and then we're possibly

1022
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: launching only fans. So you have a lot on your plan.

1023
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: I do, wow, And that just makes you know what

1024
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: they say when you want something, to give it to

1025
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: a busy person, it's keep stacking those plates up. I

1026
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: I like to balance, just bring it well. It makes

1027
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: me even more grateful and appreciative that you took time

1028
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 1: out to come on my show. I appreciate it. I've

1029
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: I've always loved and admired you from AFAR, and now

1030
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: that I've gotten to spend some time with you even

1031
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: more so. You are an absolute rock star. I feel

1032
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: the same way because I'm a fan too, and I've

1033
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: watched you for years and it's really nice to get

1034
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: to know you. I appreciate your full package. Chris Harrison,

1035
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: thank you, Tori Spelling. Next time we do this at

1036
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: the manor. Oh well, now she has the manner in

1037
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: the sky, but we should do this at the manner,

1038
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: and we should do it for the launch of the

1039
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: Mother Daughter only fans with me and Candy Spelling in

1040
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: her gift wrapping room. Just say it could be a thing.

1041
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: Heaven heavenly that would work. Uh, it would work so well.

1042
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: And by the way, I love you so much. Now

1043
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: that Lauren and I will become your first subscribers, I'll

1044
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: hold you to that. Tori, thank you so much. I

1045
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: appreciate the time you take care. Thank you, Chris My.

1046
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: Thanks to Tori Spelling. Fascinating life, incredible insight. I love

1047
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: how honest, open, raw she is. She does not mind

1048
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: putting it out there. And I think maybe my biggest

1049
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: takeaway is just how despite growing up in the world

1050
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 1: she grew up in, she was able to stay focused,

1051
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: concentrated on her job, keep those blinders on, as she said,

1052
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: and she has done that and been incredibly successful and

1053
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: is now an amazing mom. And I wish her all

1054
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: the best, and I look forward to our paths crossing

1055
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: very soon. So my thanks to Tori and my thanks

1056
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Speaker 1: to you for listening. I hope you have a wonderful week,

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