Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: Welcome to part two of the bow Laked Lou episode
Speaker 3: of Quest Love Supreme. You know, we talked about his
Speaker 3: his beginnings with singing with his brothers growing up in
Speaker 3: New York, and of course giving Curtis blow uh making
Speaker 3: classics with utfo uh the real rocks.
Speaker 1: In Lisa, Lisa and Calt Jam.
Speaker 3: We even give a little shout out to Tony Marrish
Speaker 3: in this episode, not to mention Shoel Patsey Riley working
Speaker 3: with James Brown making movies with Kidd and play Uh.
Speaker 3: Of course we're going to get into their work, all
Speaker 3: setting and sinking Backstreet boys.
Speaker 1: You know, so much work, so much genius.
Speaker 3: This is part two of the bow Laked Lou episode
Speaker 3: of Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 4: Enjoy lout tell me you're her best James Brown story. Man,
Speaker 4: let's go, because I feel like I feel like there's
Speaker 4: gonna be five of them.
Speaker 5: Man, crested so many, Okay, I know I'm trying. I
Speaker 5: want to. I'm gonna tell all of them, but I
Speaker 5: need some.
Speaker 2: I need a few.
Speaker 6: You haven't repeated yet, at least.
Speaker 2: On some you know something I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 2: like you.
Speaker 4: But I actually avoided hearing that, like I was waiting
Speaker 4: for this moment to happen, this interview with him, that
Speaker 4: I actually muted.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything.
Speaker 4: I purposely wanted to hear the first time when I
Speaker 4: had my first platform to interview.
Speaker 6: I get that you want to be unted, Lou interview. Yes, okay,
Speaker 6: tell us the story.
Speaker 4: Only because that uh, that clip that people watch where
Speaker 4: James is kind of off the hook and loopy, you know,
Speaker 4: with the glasses and he's interviewing the lady. I would
Speaker 4: like to think that that was taking a break from
Speaker 4: the I'm Real video set because he's dressed the same
Speaker 4: way as he is in the video. So I'm assuming
Speaker 4: that whatever he was on during that interview was also
Speaker 4: in all club.
Speaker 7: So go ahead, Lou, uncle Lou, please tell us one
Speaker 7: James Mall story so that won't get you in trouble
Speaker 7: because we loved and I'm good friends with his daughter.
Speaker 5: Yea god, but but but I'm but I'm gonna speak,
Speaker 5: but I gotta speak.
Speaker 2: We got clean clean it up.
Speaker 5: Then sorry, no, no, no, So here's the deal with
Speaker 5: mister Brown. That's all we ever called him when when
Speaker 5: we got the when we got the uh, the call
Speaker 5: to do an entire James Brown album from Johnny Musso
Speaker 5: who's executive as Scottie Brothers at the time, when mister
Speaker 5: Brown recorded Living in America.
Speaker 8: And then when we got that call that you know.
Speaker 5: Mister Brown, James Brown would love you guys, you know,
Speaker 5: to do a whole album with James Brown. That's the
Speaker 5: call we got. We were blown away. And the first
Speaker 5: thing we started hearing was that, oh man, when y'all
Speaker 5: work with James Brown, man, it's going to be He's
Speaker 5: a task mask man, and he's mean.
Speaker 8: We hear all these stories. So I said, before we
Speaker 8: go in the studio.
Speaker 5: With him, let me call somebody that that worked with him,
Speaker 5: just so I could be ready about for anything. So
Speaker 5: I called Dan Hartman, who I didn't know, but I
Speaker 5: got his number because he did the Living in America
Speaker 5: and he worked on the Gravity and he did Gravity
Speaker 5: and he had his own hits We light my fire
Speaker 5: and so I get on the phone with him, introduced
Speaker 5: myself and I said, yeah, man, we're about to work
Speaker 5: on a James Brown album. This bow Lad full Force
Speaker 5: and you know, can you you know, we hearing rumors
Speaker 5: and this, and you know we when we love James Brown.
Speaker 5: So he said, all right, well, the first thing, you
Speaker 5: don't call him James. You called him mister Brown first
Speaker 5: and foremost that's all you ever call him mister Brown.
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, okay. Now he's kind of particular in
Speaker 5: the studio. And so what happens that the first day
Speaker 5: that mister Brown, we had songs ready and everything like that.
Speaker 5: So the first day that he came that he was coming,
Speaker 5: we sent Paul because nobody puts us in awe, but
Speaker 5: mister Brown put us in a little owe. But we
Speaker 5: sent Paul to go get him. Paul, you're the welcome
Speaker 5: committee for mister Brown. And Paul went to get him
Speaker 5: and greet him at the elevator and he was mister
Speaker 5: Brown was wearing like a handkerchief around his neck sometime
Speaker 5: of like crazy hat. He had like shades on, like
Speaker 5: red shades. Oh wow, some bootsy college shades.
Speaker 8: And he had some heels on, and.
Speaker 5: He was just a legend, just legend derry. And he
Speaker 5: came walking in the studio. Paul said, how are you doing,
Speaker 5: miss Strong, Just coming and meet the rest of the guys,
Speaker 5: and he came in there. Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen. Now, I
Speaker 5: love y'all. I love y'all, like y'all my son. So hey,
Speaker 5: I just want to know that we're gonna have a
Speaker 5: good session and we're going to do that. And then
Speaker 5: thank you, mister Brown. We didn't understand what he said,
Speaker 5: but thank you until now the time and your right question.
Speaker 5: At the time we was working with mister Brown, he
Speaker 5: was in trouble with the law in and out. You know,
Speaker 5: sometimes we didn't have a session because he was, you know,
Speaker 5: like in jail and he let out and he was
Speaker 5: just going through stuff, go through so much stuff that
Speaker 5: sometimes that affected like him in the session and we
Speaker 5: would just be working with him and we would start wondering,
Speaker 5: you know, is mister Brown because he's old. That's why
Speaker 5: some of the odd things, but just a lot of crazy,
Speaker 5: like we're like every now is shop.
Speaker 8: We used to come to the studio lot.
Speaker 5: And whenever he would come, like oh lord, because mister
Speaker 5: Brown stopped for him for everything, no matter what song
Speaker 5: was doing. Alright, Reverend's here, and Reverd would come unannounced.
Speaker 5: He never like scheduled or nothing like that. And mister
Speaker 5: Brown would go talk to me. I remember mister Brown
Speaker 5: was wearing some red shades, and Reverend Shopping says mister
Speaker 5: Brown because he called them mister Brown. Also, mister Brown,
Speaker 5: how you doing. How's everything red? I'm wearing red shades,
Speaker 5: but I'm seeing blue.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm telling you.
Speaker 5: One time, one time, he uh, we were taking pictures
Speaker 5: and all the photographers taking pictures of us and mister
Speaker 5: Brown in the studio taking pictures.
Speaker 8: Snap snap, snap, snap snap.
Speaker 5: Then all of a sudden, all right, it's enough pictures,
Speaker 5: so stop the pictures. Then I of know where mister
Speaker 5: Brown goes into a damn split, a hard split, so
Speaker 5: hard that you can hear the floor and go boom,
Speaker 5: and he just rolls up. He did it out of nowhere,
Speaker 5: and then the photographer's like, let's not put that again.
Speaker 2: That again.
Speaker 5: He said, nope, you should have took the picture when
Speaker 5: I did it.
Speaker 8: Then he just walked.
Speaker 5: It was it was at one time using the studio
Speaker 5: and he was on to the door and the door
Speaker 5: was open, right, but he's pushing he's pushing the door
Speaker 5: one way and he's pushing it and he's pushing the
Speaker 5: door another way. But the door is just standing by itself.
Speaker 5: This is a studio door. We're going, mister.
Speaker 8: Brown is everything.
Speaker 5: Okay, Now I'm just showing y'all how I'm opening and
Speaker 5: closing the door at the same time. Okay, okay, mister Brown,
Speaker 5: I got it. It was some of those moments we
Speaker 5: know he was going through stuff we never too We
Speaker 5: never told it in public, a lot of things, but
Speaker 5: you know, it was crazy. I I remember when we
Speaker 5: wanted to use Mac on the album and I said,
Speaker 5: you to do a couple of songs, and he told us, well,
Speaker 5: when Masio comes, I want to make sure that I'm
Speaker 5: not here when y'all are working with him. I don't
Speaker 5: mind him on the album, but I don't want to
Speaker 5: be here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he's on, he's on keep keeping. I think
Speaker 2: he's on. Lock him in the studio while he's still.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah keeping. She looks all types of good and
Speaker 5: then the ballot you know.
Speaker 2: Right, Wait a minute, Okay, Well one, it's not lost
Speaker 2: on me.
Speaker 4: The the the meta, the meta levels of irony. Yes,
Speaker 4: I'm real, which is the fact that he is singing
Speaker 4: out against the very thing that keep bringing him back.
Speaker 6: Yo, this is a moment of mirror. You are repeating
Speaker 6: your clip on an unsung I'm just saying, yes, it
Speaker 6: was your reaction, but I love it.
Speaker 2: I never got an answer to it. So it's how.
Speaker 4: I mean, what did you guys explain to him that that, no,
Speaker 4: you should, you should embrace this more, because you know,
Speaker 4: George Clinton famously was like, hey, I'll even lower my
Speaker 4: rates so you guys more of me, right, and said
Speaker 4: his legend. But I mean, what do you what did
Speaker 4: he think of when he first heard these tracks? Like
Speaker 4: did he even comprehend that he's singing over Bobby Bird's
Speaker 4: hot pants on cumming drums or right?
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think he really comprehended that much because
Speaker 5: he was actually he was actually getting paid for it.
Speaker 5: He his only thing was, I don't I don't. I
Speaker 5: don't got nothing against these rapists, but man, I just
Speaker 5: I just wish I would get paid because they use them.
Speaker 5: My voice isn't record and this and that and this
Speaker 5: that and that's when we came up the song I'm real.
Speaker 5: So it's like what people's taking from him were like
Speaker 5: throwing it right back to him in his own songs
Speaker 5: that we're producing with him. You know, his main thing
Speaker 5: was he just felt disrespected that he hears somewhere and
Speaker 5: he loved the rappers because remember he worked with African
Speaker 5: Baan Bada, but he was still he was still upset
Speaker 5: that he wasn't getting paid for it, and at that
Speaker 5: time the sample laws was not even I think our
Speaker 5: record kind of helped it because he was literally on
Speaker 5: there on this video. All you copycats out there, get
Speaker 5: off of my tip, because I'm James my records till
Speaker 5: I'm paid in full.
Speaker 9: You know, he was, He was making a statement there,
Speaker 9: and I remember I remember after that that the Sonic
Speaker 9: came out with something about you know, James Eric Beer and.
Speaker 5: I got so and that's true, but he wasn't getting paid.
Speaker 5: That was his music, his vocals, and I think after
Speaker 5: I'm real then they started to get the sample lows together,
Speaker 5: not only for mister Brown but for every every other legend.
Speaker 6: I was gonna ask, did he live to see the
Speaker 6: residuals of his the samples? I don't try and remember that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, yeah, because we did that album eighty
Speaker 5: didnt eighty eight?
Speaker 2: Eighty eight?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yes? So yeah, yeah, State trying to get permission
Speaker 5: and paying for him to use James Brown's samples no
Speaker 5: rapper kids do that like what they did in the past,
Speaker 5: just blatantly take it. Now, when we were taking his stuff,
Speaker 5: we was doing it with him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So it's definitely a difference. And he accepted that because like, well,
Speaker 5: at least I'm here with Jellen, we're doing it together.
Speaker 5: And he got published for all the songs I did.
Speaker 4: With him, So I would assume that when you guys
Speaker 4: are doing I'm Real the album, this was pre pro tools.
Speaker 5: Yes, so from a one.
Speaker 2: To ten, how I want you the word nightmarish?
Speaker 4: But how much of a task is it cutting his
Speaker 4: vocals and cutting just all right, ladies and gentlemen, you're
Speaker 4: you're you're not looking at Loo's.
Speaker 2: Face right now.
Speaker 4: As I asked this question, But the way that he
Speaker 4: closed his eyes already gave me the answer I wanted.
Speaker 4: How much of how much of a task was it?
Speaker 4: In whatever it was their copy paste culture back? How
Speaker 4: did you get his vocals to because it felt natural?
Speaker 4: But for me, I felt that every line I was
Speaker 4: listening to was either perfectly placed or just a lot
Speaker 4: of cut cut page jobs there. Okay, from one to ten,
Speaker 4: how you don't even have to give the story from
Speaker 4: one to ten. How hard was it in placing his
Speaker 4: vocals and giving a complete song?
Speaker 5: Damn, Chris, that was a good question. The way he
Speaker 5: did that, that was you did that.
Speaker 2: I'm giving you now a number to take you.
Speaker 5: But question, you're so, you're so, you're so interesting, You're
Speaker 5: so introspective with it, and it's like.
Speaker 8: It was you at the studio with us.
Speaker 4: Dude, you think I'm lying at the intro of the show,
Speaker 4: I am a product.
Speaker 2: When you're like damn, when when on your last day
Speaker 2: on earth, you're like, damn, what is my legacy?
Speaker 5: When you when you know something, quess Like I said,
Speaker 5: when we was working with mister Brown, this was the
Speaker 5: time when I know he was going through things. So
Speaker 5: so in the beginning, I would say, the first session
Speaker 5: and the first song we did was a song called
Speaker 5: Time to Get Busy, and he was perfect on that one. Perfect.
Speaker 5: But as the days as the as each song, it
Speaker 5: became a little harder because she was still going through
Speaker 5: his own personal stuff. So what we did, man, So
Speaker 5: what we did is that with mister Brown, Time to
Speaker 5: Get Busy, I would say, was like the kind of
Speaker 5: the only song that he did from start to finish,
Speaker 5: and he kind of knew everything. But then as after
Speaker 5: we was going, it was getting a little harder and
Speaker 5: he was going through stuff, and we would have the
Speaker 5: lyrics and at one time he asked us, y'all got
Speaker 5: any cue cards? You know, cue cards? And we're like
Speaker 5: cue cards. But so so what we did, and not
Speaker 5: on every song, but just some songs, we would actually
Speaker 5: physically be there with him, Like me, I would be
Speaker 5: there with mister Brown and then Paul, because me and
Speaker 5: Paul spearheaded mostly the writing of the lyrics song and
Speaker 5: working with him actually in the studio.
Speaker 8: So when I did I'm.
Speaker 5: Real my song, I'm there with mister Brown in the
Speaker 5: booth with him physically mm hmmm, and we would go
Speaker 5: line by line basically.
Speaker 4: God, yo, Christian McBride, if you are listening to this podcast,
Speaker 4: we were so right.
Speaker 2: We called it.
Speaker 4: We literally said, I bet you every line had to
Speaker 4: be cut and paste because it was too perfect. And
Speaker 4: I've never heard him sing structured lyrics before because a
Speaker 4: lot of this stuff was freestyle and and that, and
Speaker 4: I just never really heard him sing that structured before.
Speaker 4: And I tried to imagine, like, well, is the lyric
Speaker 4: sheets on the on the Nightstand.
Speaker 2: Is he Yo, I've been dying to know that answer
Speaker 2: for thirty years.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 6: I was about to say, was this a conversation with
Speaker 6: you in Kristin in high school?
Speaker 4: Or I'm talking to Kristen McBride right now as he
Speaker 4: saw the story.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Wait, So then I gotta ask how did he how
Speaker 4: did he managed?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 4: Okay, So there's another thing about me more than being
Speaker 4: a James Brown fan, I'm the biggest horrible James Brown
Speaker 4: song fan. Like I'm I have an addiction to like
Speaker 4: every album past, like Mother's Nature, to even the record
Speaker 4: he did with Leaders of the New.
Speaker 2: School, like everything in between that. So yeah, I can't
Speaker 2: get it any harder. He tried to. He tried to
Speaker 2: do Static Part two when Leaders in the New School
Speaker 2: Music Factory.
Speaker 4: So the thing is how to it's your money wind
Speaker 4: up on that record because I sometimes do a horrible
Speaker 4: James Brown set where it's just the songs that and
Speaker 4: that's the thing. The greatest thing about James Brown to
Speaker 4: me is that he was never mediocre. Like a lot
Speaker 4: of the artists that we have disdained for, it's usually
Speaker 4: because they're just mediocre. Yeah, but if they make classic ship.
Speaker 4: If they make horrible ship, at least it's interesting. And
Speaker 4: I always wanted to know. I knew y'all had nothing
Speaker 4: to do with it's your money. Obviously he was a placeholder.
Speaker 4: But how did that wind up on the record? He
Speaker 4: just insisted, or you can need it.
Speaker 5: No, here's the deal. He he he literally asked the
Speaker 5: record company, and a record company said ask full force,
Speaker 5: and what are we going to do? And he played
Speaker 5: it for us and everything.
Speaker 2: Oh no, listen, he played it for us, and you'll make.
Speaker 4: It like y'all like it doing the demohead thing.
Speaker 2: No, never, I never, I like, all silent looking to
Speaker 2: the floor.
Speaker 4: And that's my double that's my double trouble story fante.
Speaker 2: For the first time I played that ship still a premiere.
Speaker 4: All them guys are like like what I was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: this song sucks.
Speaker 2: So then oh man.
Speaker 5: When mister Brown, we, I mean, how are we gonna say? No?
Speaker 5: I mean he wanted it on there, he asked.
Speaker 8: He said, man, I love it that this could be
Speaker 8: on it.
Speaker 5: Bubba, but it was the last song on the album.
Speaker 5: I think. But you know we we said, I mean,
Speaker 5: what come on question? You wouldn't even have said no.
Speaker 5: To mister Brown if that's the first time you met him,
Speaker 5: and he came to and said, I would love to
Speaker 5: be on the album. Do you mind? What are you
Speaker 5: gonna say? Question?
Speaker 10: Wait, sut up, I was gonna say, I already know,
Speaker 10: I already know it was. It was the day after
Speaker 10: the album got mastered and I heard this song.
Speaker 2: I had a Rich like, yo, where the fuck does
Speaker 2: this come from?
Speaker 4: And he's like, you know, al insisted it go on
Speaker 4: the record like he.
Speaker 6: Did it with There was a quest love album with
Speaker 6: Al Green called Babies Making Babies bo I'm sorry, sorry,
Speaker 6: sorry sorry.
Speaker 4: The same thing happened to me, uh lou where with
Speaker 4: Al Green I made I pulled a full force, got
Speaker 4: Al Green back to his Willie Mitchell thing and the
Speaker 4: last song he just you know, like my manager Rich
Speaker 4: at the time told me, He's like, well, the way
Speaker 4: I see it, you know, at least he did a
Speaker 4: song that could fit on the end of a Tyler
Speaker 4: Perry movie as the credits go up bruh. So he's like,
Speaker 4: it won't be a total loss either people will just
Speaker 4: ignore it, or at best it'll go I'm the Tyler
Speaker 4: parent credits for the End of the Family reunion movie.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you just know the algree no matter what.
Speaker 2: Wow, that that is crazy, lou.
Speaker 11: Do you know what happened? What the status is of
Speaker 11: the real rock Sanning?
Speaker 2: Like what is she?
Speaker 12: Yes?
Speaker 2: Is yet? Yes?
Speaker 5: Well she's she's and she's still beautiful as ever. So
Speaker 5: it's two just two real rock Sands. The first, you know,
Speaker 5: after the whole all the I say, I said, be,
Speaker 5: let's do a song called the Real Rock Sandes. So
Speaker 5: me and be wrote the lyrics. We got this light
Speaker 5: skinned girl by the name of Elise Jack and she
Speaker 5: did She's the one you hear on the record. But
Speaker 5: then things didn't work out with her contractor or whatever,
Speaker 5: so we got a Puerto Rican girl, the Fine and Beautiful,
Speaker 5: Not that Elisee Jack is not fine and beautiful. She
Speaker 5: was a light skinned girl, but she did the record.
Speaker 6: More light skin for you, looking right right about.
Speaker 5: But then we got Joey and Martinez to actually be
Speaker 5: the real Rock sand She was the one in the
Speaker 5: video with Utfo Roxanne Roxanne and then she had records
Speaker 5: of her own like Bangs Zoom, let's go go with
Speaker 5: yeah in England and the UK and she has.
Speaker 11: Y'all ever do anything with HOWI Team Maw. Speaking about
Speaker 11: that record, Joan, howid T have any dealers with Yeah.
Speaker 5: We worked with Howie because how he was part of
Speaker 5: the real rock stand with hit Man Howie T. Howie
Speaker 5: T co wrote Alice I Want You Just for Me
Speaker 5: with us when he's the one that came up with
Speaker 5: the drum beat, the dope drum beat and.
Speaker 8: Everything like that.
Speaker 5: Jerry and everybody else could get the whole track, but
Speaker 5: how he came up with the drum beat, and back
Speaker 5: in the day because it was nineteen eighty five, we
Speaker 5: didn't know any better.
Speaker 8: But I would have to.
Speaker 5: Say, looking at it the way it trans transacted, he should.
Speaker 8: Have been a co producer with us on that record too.
Speaker 5: He was a co writer, but it should have said
Speaker 5: produced by full Force and hit Man Howie T. Because
Speaker 5: he's the one that came up with the dope drum
Speaker 5: loop and everything like that. And then that song with
Speaker 5: the syncopation in it and with the music and the
Speaker 5: jazz kind of sound loops. You know, it was definitely
Speaker 5: like some people call that the first new Jack String record,
Speaker 5: but we don't. Let's go go yeah, No, Alice I
Speaker 5: Want just And then we incorporated some of that with bangs.
Speaker 5: Let's go go with the real rock sand. But the
Speaker 5: real rock sand. Joyne Martinez, she is, she's doing she's
Speaker 5: doing great, man. And she's still looking beautiful.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 8: I send you a picture of her.
Speaker 5: She's she's dope. She's still doing her thing. You know.
Speaker 2: Wait, what's up?
Speaker 4: We just recently discovered the sample that came from it.
Speaker 4: All right, So here's the deal with with baby Let's
Speaker 4: go go. I thought it was downright genius. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 4: are they playing? Uh what do you call it? When
Speaker 4: when you do a base uh jack open stories? Does
Speaker 4: it h triads? Not triads?
Speaker 12: But uh fretless?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but it's it's the sound of of portrait
Speaker 4: and tracy like when you're right right, try not harmonical
Speaker 4: pisocado when you're playing harmonics on bass. And at the time,
Speaker 4: I thought, Yo, this is some downright I never heard
Speaker 4: a song just utilized bass harmonics before in this level.
Speaker 4: And then it maybe like last year, a year before
Speaker 4: I discovered the Pat mcthany record from which it came from.
Speaker 4: Who put that track together?
Speaker 5: Be fine put that track together?
Speaker 2: And what how was he doing? Listen to that?
Speaker 4: Because out of Pat mcthaney's discography that album. It's so
Speaker 4: weird that Pat mcthany's two biggest samples in hip hop
Speaker 4: are off of records that are like it's it's almost
Speaker 4: like it would be the chitlings of his career.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I know, opinions are subjective to like what people gravitate towards,
Speaker 4: but even jazz fans like have a bracket for the
Speaker 4: Pat mcthany records they listened to and along with karas
Speaker 4: One sampling springs dot Here Yet for Love's Gonna Get
Speaker 4: You that particular song that you guys did, it was
Speaker 4: like it was on an album that nobody would touch
Speaker 4: of his and I always wanted when we discovered that sample,
Speaker 4: it was like me and a whole bunch of producers
Speaker 4: wear Jazzy Jeff's house and we hear it and we
Speaker 4: wanted to punch a hole in the wall because we
Speaker 4: never once thought there was anything dope on that record.
Speaker 4: What in the hell was he doing with that, with that,
Speaker 4: with that album that called him like what yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, will all of us like be Jerry? You know
Speaker 5: the music we tapped into all kinds of music. That's
Speaker 5: why with full force. That's six different heads. And when
Speaker 5: he came up with that, I'm like, hey, this is dope.
Speaker 5: I remember you texted me about that. You know, I
Speaker 5: found that used. I'm like, yeah, very obscure because we'd
Speaker 5: always look for a lot of obscure shit, even from
Speaker 5: popular popular musicians too, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 5: just use it, you know what I mean. And in
Speaker 5: that particular song, I mean, be through the Kitchen sinking
Speaker 5: that we even had bugs Buddy in there and we
Speaker 5: threw Alison there.
Speaker 8: To go to the Oh we did everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah, man, we just we just
Speaker 5: come up with different ship and Be came up with
Speaker 5: that and we're like, yo, that's that's crazy. And it
Speaker 5: was top ten joint man spent in the UK the
Speaker 5: smash like we didn't know it's gonna be that big,
Speaker 5: you know, and Joan would go and perform and plus
Speaker 5: she was great. You know, I would have to say
Speaker 5: the real rock saying Joe and Martinez had to be
Speaker 5: one of the first female rappers to kind of introduce
Speaker 5: femininity to the female rap game because everybody like Salt
Speaker 5: and Pepper at the time, even Chante, they were wearing
Speaker 5: the big dookie chains and all of that stuff, like
Speaker 5: how to do to her? But she came in all
Speaker 5: feminine and just killed it.
Speaker 13: You know, she was his always like she's light skinned
Speaker 13: and she's Hispanic.
Speaker 2: Okay, and.
Speaker 4: All right, so I gotta keep on pushing because there's
Speaker 4: too many we gotta get to the We didn't even gott.
Speaker 6: We didn't just ask one thing for my child.
Speaker 5: Question.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, did you name Cheryl?
Speaker 4: Did you how did she get her monica pepsi?
Speaker 8: And she's and she's dark skinned by the.
Speaker 6: Way, listen, she's your point on the board.
Speaker 5: That's the only one you got so far. But yes,
Speaker 5: we had girlfriend, they had some right what happened with
Speaker 5: what happened with Cheryl when we got Cheryl? Because like
Speaker 5: I tell you, me and Schell, we were friends before anything.
Speaker 5: We should to do church plays together before there was
Speaker 5: a Tyler Perry. We used to do plays and stuff
Speaker 5: like that and everything. And the first time I heard
Speaker 5: us saying, I'm like man, shes blew me away. So
Speaker 5: once we know we was going to get her a
Speaker 5: deal with us over Columbia Records, then came the name.
Speaker 5: I said, Now listen, we're gonna have to name your
Speaker 5: nickname because all of our acts we got crazy names.
Speaker 5: So we got to find a nickname for you. And
Speaker 5: I said, here's the nickname. We're gonna give you, Magnolia
Speaker 5: And she said huh. I said, yep, Cheryl Magnolia. Riley
Speaker 5: really satiddy. Because who have a bubbly personality, which she did.
Speaker 8: We decided to call it Pepsi.
Speaker 5: Now that idea was from our Steve Salem may he
Speaker 5: rest in peace. He just you know, we just saw
Speaker 5: pepsi can there and he said, well who you always
Speaker 5: says she's got a bubbly personality, Why aren't we throwing
Speaker 5: pepsi and put two eyes at the end, call it
Speaker 5: Cheryl Pepsi ymy, and I said, perfect. That goes along
Speaker 5: with bull Leg lou Shy shy educated rapper Lisa, Lisa.
Speaker 6: This is funny because these are long nicknames.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're keeping the names great.
Speaker 4: You know, at any point did anyone actually approached the
Speaker 4: Pepsi company to.
Speaker 5: When we tried at the time, But Pepsi wasn't like,
Speaker 5: didn't take off right away.
Speaker 8: But we tried at the time and.
Speaker 5: It just never happened, you know, back then. But I see,
Speaker 5: you know, but we got a number one record out
Speaker 5: of it. Thanks for my child was PEPSI killed? Of course?
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I told Lou. I cried on the
Speaker 6: phone with Luda the other day when I really realized
Speaker 6: that he was responsible for that song. Because being a
Speaker 6: twelve year old at night, listen to my pink Cassio,
Speaker 6: I was like, no, And it's funny because I was like,
Speaker 6: I had a whole relationship with that song, and.
Speaker 5: I had no why are you laughing?
Speaker 4: But you wait because I thought you were about to
Speaker 4: tell me being a twelve year old single mother.
Speaker 6: Well no, we stopped that before that. Well yeah, so
Speaker 6: story however, listen to that song and knowing as a
Speaker 6: grown up, it's like, I don't know what why I
Speaker 6: had such an affinities for that song and played it on.
Speaker 11: I didn't realize, Like when I was a kid, I didn't.
Speaker 11: I had no idea what that song was about.
Speaker 12: Yeah on and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I was saying, my mom, I'll be ripping my mom,
Speaker 5: and she.
Speaker 12: Was singing, I'm like that.
Speaker 11: But and it is ill to hear your baby mama song.
Speaker 4: Ever, she said nicely, she said, I mean, she said
Speaker 4: it was passive aggressive.
Speaker 5: Yo, did you see the video Fars Whitterker did the
Speaker 5: video and you know you see the demand running in
Speaker 5: slow motion that wanted to get the hell out of there.
Speaker 5: He wanted to leave. It's crazy, that's but that song,
Speaker 5: that's so much a special song because I actually wrote
Speaker 5: that song. But like I said, everything is written and
Speaker 5: produced by full Force, six of us, but we split
Speaker 5: everything six ways and the credits as well. But when
Speaker 5: I wrote that song, I wrote it because I saw
Speaker 5: it was three things. When my was coming off the road.
Speaker 5: My wife at the time when I was married, she
Speaker 5: had a miscarriage and man, I was just coming off
Speaker 5: the road and I went straight to the hospital after
Speaker 5: hearing it, and there she was. She looked like, you know,
Speaker 5: she'd been through World War three. But then the following year,
Speaker 5: you know, we tried again and then we had a
Speaker 5: beautiful baby girl. And at the same time, I had
Speaker 5: a friend of mine as a female who had a
Speaker 5: baby and then her the baby's father just kind of
Speaker 5: ran away, just left advantage.
Speaker 8: And she was so heartbroken into that.
Speaker 5: And then I used to see Cheryl Pepsi right, I
Speaker 5: to see Cheryl taking care of handicapped kids because she
Speaker 5: was a nurse. When I at the time, and she
Speaker 5: was like a mother to all of them.
Speaker 8: So that's when I came up and I.
Speaker 5: Wrote thanks for my Child from scratch, and then I
Speaker 5: went to Baby Jerry and Jerry did the the track
Speaker 5: to it, and I'll never forget playing it for the guys.
Speaker 5: And when it came to that chorus thanks for my child,
Speaker 5: I remember my brother Beefine just dropped his head down
Speaker 5: and went, oh, like you almost got shot. That is
Speaker 5: like such emotion. I remember mixed Master to Ice from
Speaker 5: Utfo said, Yo, lou man, you made me put some
Speaker 5: more money to my my babies from the black Yeah.
Speaker 6: And to hear a man wrote that, and it sounds
Speaker 6: is such a perspective of something that a woman would
Speaker 6: want to say and articulate.
Speaker 5: It's just it's.
Speaker 6: Fast, it's fascinating, Louke. So I just I appreciate you
Speaker 6: for that, all right.
Speaker 4: Lou yo, dog you you and you.
Speaker 2: You took on the challenge. You tried it. You took
Speaker 2: on the challenge in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 4: And this is definitely during the what's her husband's name
Speaker 4: of Jack Gordon. You you took on LaToya Jackson as
Speaker 4: a client of which you know at the time. This
Speaker 4: is when Michael was making his comeback. This is when
Speaker 4: her youngest sister, Janet is, you know, making a credible moves.
Speaker 2: With with her record. Can you speak on the experience.
Speaker 4: That it was producing uh LaToya Jackson's I think at
Speaker 4: the time that was her third Yeah, that was her
Speaker 4: third album.
Speaker 2: What what was that experience? Like?
Speaker 5: All right, well, we were say from one to ten,
Speaker 5: how we really we really it always have to be
Speaker 5: interviewers like you to bring that up. We really bring
Speaker 5: that up whenever we're speaking of interviews. But I gotta
Speaker 5: say she was a sweetheart to work with. I know,
Speaker 5: but but yeh had his challenges there and Jack Gordon
Speaker 5: was present like every time.
Speaker 14: Oh, she's just much she's much talented than Janet. You know,
Speaker 14: she's much chalented. She's definitely better than that. She can
Speaker 14: sing better too. It she danced better too, you know.
Speaker 14: That's what Jack Gordon used to tell us all the time,
Speaker 14: like all the time.
Speaker 5: And but we we worked with her. I didn't think
Speaker 5: the first single was a good way to go, called
Speaker 5: You're Gonna get rocked, and yeah, kind of had her
Speaker 5: out of her element, you know, pull his sleeves because
Speaker 5: Latoya's Thrown Down.
Speaker 8: I don't know, but that was Bee's idea.
Speaker 5: I gotta give credit to be in fact that I
Speaker 5: would say that's the only song that Full four didn't
Speaker 5: produce that was produced solely by be Fine and written
Speaker 5: by him. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4: That was I was like, wait a minute, there's there's
Speaker 4: all yours.
Speaker 5: In that song.
Speaker 4: There's break.
Speaker 5: No, that's a joke, but it was okay.
Speaker 8: There was a couple of singles, like a song called
Speaker 8: You Blue.
Speaker 5: I thought should have been the first release because Paul
Speaker 5: is singing underneath her on every line and you hear
Speaker 5: him singing with her. But you know, it was it
Speaker 5: was a e for effort and you know, she's a sweetheart,
Speaker 5: and you know, I got nothing bad to say about her.
Speaker 5: She's cool.
Speaker 8: But it had his challenges, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Especially man, we did this ballad called I'm Not Giving
Speaker 5: Up on Love, and you know, but I purchased it.
Speaker 2: I purchased it because you know, that was.
Speaker 8: A hard one to do.
Speaker 5: The ballad was really that was really hard. You're talking
Speaker 5: about cutting paste. That was like another James Brown, but
Speaker 5: she wasn't James Brown. And but it was kind of
Speaker 5: hard to do that one, but some of the other
Speaker 5: songs were such a wicked love was pretty good. You
Speaker 5: blew you're going to get rock. I wouldn't have came
Speaker 5: out with that first. It felt kind of gimmicky, but
Speaker 5: you know, I did this thing. You know, it's so
Speaker 5: really good in Japan. That's that's a lot again, you know.
Speaker 8: But but she as a person, she's a sweetheart.
Speaker 5: It was so crazy.
Speaker 8: I'll never forget because.
Speaker 5: That was the time she was going through stuff as
Speaker 5: well with Jack Gordon. I got a phone call at
Speaker 5: my house. I don't know how they got my number
Speaker 5: to this day, but it was Catherine Jackson and Joe Jackson.
Speaker 5: Wow in Brooklyn. Both of them call me in Brooklyn
Speaker 5: on the phone and they were saying, yeah, we just
Speaker 5: want to know what's your address. You know, this is
Speaker 5: a guy Jack Gordon. You know they kidnapped our daughter
Speaker 5: and it's brainwashing her. I said, oh, really, well, they
Speaker 5: were working with her. She's not here with us in Brooklyn,
Speaker 5: but we're working with her in the Manhattan studio. But
Speaker 5: I didn't give them the address because I didn't know
Speaker 5: what the hell was going on. But they kept saying
Speaker 5: that he's a Brainwasher. He's no good and you know,
Speaker 5: we don't know where our daughter's at buck It's crazy.
Speaker 5: And I remember after talking to him, I said, yeah,
Speaker 5: but but she's safe and sound. We see at the studio.
Speaker 5: And I remember telling Jack Gordon and LaToya I said, Yo,
Speaker 5: your parents just call my house. I know, I got
Speaker 5: my number. And Latoy's like, hmm, see what are they
Speaker 5: trying to do this so they won't mind their own
Speaker 5: they won't mind their own business. And then Jack Gordon says, yeah,
Speaker 5: they're terrible people. They're terrible people. That's what Jack Gordon
Speaker 5: would say.
Speaker 2: Yeah for him, Yeah, this is to put in perspective
Speaker 2: like this is I think. Also this is when the.
Speaker 4: Boy Yeah yeah, the Playboy issue was in sort of
Speaker 4: conjunction with the release of the album. Yeah yeah, Oh god, Okay,
Speaker 4: where do we want to go? Do we want to
Speaker 4: go to the movies at or do we want to go?
Speaker 12: Yeah, we gotta get movies. You got to house party.
Speaker 12: We gotta tell house party, come on, we got to okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so can you talk about your remember you wanted a.
Speaker 6: Two part episode?
Speaker 12: No, this is it is a two party, this is it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So can you talk about how you guys got
Speaker 4: involved with House Party and how it changed your career.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we're celebrating thirty year anniversary of House Party,
Speaker 5: you know, and it was is it's great. I always
Speaker 5: I always say it's the story of my life every
Speaker 5: time somebody wants me to say what I said in
Speaker 5: the movie, or sometimes I don't even wait for people
Speaker 5: to ask me. I just do it because I know
Speaker 5: they want me to say it.
Speaker 2: So, so, how annoying was it?
Speaker 4: How annoying was it at the time where like people
Speaker 4: would expect you come. That was almost like that was
Speaker 4: almost like your version of I'm Rick James bitch like
Speaker 4: his she right right exactly.
Speaker 5: So well, it was never well, you know what, it
Speaker 5: was never annoying to me at all because I created it.
Speaker 8: So it was, it was, it was all good. I remember.
Speaker 5: The only person that never liked it was Donnie Simpson.
Speaker 5: I'll never forget him called me up, yo, man, what
Speaker 5: you had to do this stupid annoying, irritating boy throughout
Speaker 5: the whole damn movie? Why why he hated it? Literally?
Speaker 5: But we got But we got the movie because Reggie Hudlin,
Speaker 5: who was the writer and director of House Party and
Speaker 5: his brother Warrington Hudland, the producer of House Party. Reggie
Speaker 5: literally wrote us as a description in the originals in
Speaker 5: his original script as a description Robert Ford Junior may
Speaker 5: he rest in peace because he was part of the
Speaker 5: production team that used to do the Curtis Blow albums
Speaker 5: that we was a part of. He was good friends
Speaker 5: with Reggie, and he was written Reggie and he read
Speaker 5: a script and he said, Prince, you're reading your script
Speaker 5: and you're describing, and it described it because at the
Speaker 5: time it wasn't kidding player. I think it was jazzy
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Fresh Prince first.
Speaker 8: And then kidn't play.
Speaker 5: So the script just said the two individuals whatever the
Speaker 5: name was said in the script it says, well, the
Speaker 5: two individuals is acostant by bullies with great physiques and
Speaker 5: droopy Jerry curls somebody like full force as a description.
Speaker 5: So Robert Ford says to Reggie, Reggie, why don't you
Speaker 5: just get full Force? And they said, yeah, you think
Speaker 5: they could act act? He said, well they did cursed
Speaker 5: Groove that wasn't really acting, you know, yeah, And they said,
Speaker 5: I said, get bookfore us. So Reggie Hudland called it.
Speaker 5: My brother Paul, and he told Paul, he said, listen, man,
Speaker 5: we would love if you guys could come and maybe
Speaker 5: read for a part. I'm doing a new movie house Party.
Speaker 5: You know, if you and your brothers could come. Blah
Speaker 5: blah blah blah blah. So the three of us went there.
Speaker 5: They just wanted to see if we had any chemistry.
Speaker 5: And of course me and my brothers had chemistry since
Speaker 5: we were young anyway, and I remember when we did
Speaker 5: some improv. They just want to see some improv. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we did some improv amongst ourselves and we got.
Speaker 15: The part right then and there, you know, So we
Speaker 15: was hired to do house party.
Speaker 5: We did the table read with everybody you know, Martin Lawrence,
Speaker 5: the late Robin Harris, the late John Witherspoon, George Clinton
Speaker 5: was there. It was crazy teacher Campbell. And we're reading
Speaker 5: from the script. Now as we're reading our lines, my
Speaker 5: brother's lines, our lines is nothing like what you saw
Speaker 5: in the movie, like not close. So I went back
Speaker 5: to the whole tell with my brothers and I said, guys,
Speaker 5: I don't I mean, we're bullies, but we're bullies with
Speaker 5: with with no personality, somewhat like how you guys were
Speaker 5: in crush Proof. I don't want to do that again.
Speaker 5: So I changed one of the scenes. I said, okay, B,
Speaker 5: because BT's name in the script was pee Wee. That
Speaker 5: was my brother be fine, I said, I'll switch let
Speaker 5: me be pee Wee. I'm smaller than you and Paul,
Speaker 5: let's change up this scene right here. I think it
Speaker 5: was the lunch Proof scene. One of the scenes, but
Speaker 5: I changed it up. I came up with and I'm
Speaker 5: going to talk like this about the whole movie. And
Speaker 5: my brother B is like, what fuck you gonna talk
Speaker 5: like that? I'm just not talking like that, you know,
Speaker 5: sort of a and this is before Erkle and all
Speaker 5: of that stuff. But my reasoning for talking like that,
Speaker 5: And then I said, I wanted to come up with
Speaker 5: like some type of catchphrase, and that's when I came
Speaker 5: up with I'm gonna take you're freaking out kick like that.
Speaker 5: And then I also came up with the catch trase
Speaker 5: I smell ice. So those two I came up with.
Speaker 5: And what happened is that we went to our trailer
Speaker 5: and we went to perform it in front of Reggie
Speaker 5: and Warrington, hoping they would do it. I said, listen,
Speaker 5: if they don't, they don't want it, then we'll go
Speaker 5: back to the regular way on the script. But if
Speaker 5: they like it, then it's good. After they saw us
Speaker 5: do all of those antics and the voice change and
Speaker 5: the kick your fucking ass and I smuggling and all
Speaker 5: of that, Warranton Huddling pointed and said keep it. And
Speaker 5: when they said keep it, we changed. We changed every
Speaker 5: scene lines that was in that movie. So everything you
Speaker 5: see on in the house party is created by me
Speaker 5: and my brothers, you know, our part. And then everybody
Speaker 5: else in the cast started making up stuff to I
Speaker 5: remember kids saying, they started finding out me. I'm making
Speaker 5: up all that shit. And the kids said, yore Lou,
Speaker 5: how about if we did stuffing like this. You come
Speaker 5: to the door and you say, I smell pussy, and
Speaker 5: then we go, yeah, we went smell pussy to approach
Speaker 5: of dicks. That's funny, me kid, do that. I think
Speaker 5: Reggie will like that. In fact, don't tell first, let's
Speaker 5: just do it, and we did. Reggie loved it, you know,
Speaker 5: and even Teacher and AJ. There was no dance battle
Speaker 5: in that script, you know, the AJ did the choreography
Speaker 5: for her and Tisha. They kind of came up with
Speaker 5: that whole idea of a dance battle, and they did
Speaker 5: it for Reggie and Warrington because after we was making
Speaker 5: up our ship, then everybody else was making up ship.
Speaker 5: The only one that didn't have to stick to the
Speaker 5: script and nothing like that was Robin Harris. He just
Speaker 5: did his thing everything on that party and we did
Speaker 5: that and we never knew that it would become the
Speaker 5: classic that it that it has become, because it still
Speaker 5: plays good today when you watch it, you know, and
Speaker 5: it was just amazing. And not only that, but also
Speaker 5: to have our song and my type of hype to
Speaker 5: be the main song is because of House Party, and
Speaker 5: my type of hype is our most popular the you know,
Speaker 5: full fourth song ever, you know, it went gold because
Speaker 5: of House Party And can I.
Speaker 2: Ask a question about that song?
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Do you guys use the same consistent engineer for all
Speaker 4: your albums up to this point we're using as the
Speaker 4: same engineer.
Speaker 5: Well one and well we used three different engineers, Quest
Speaker 5: Left and all the UTFO stuff. Glenn Roses did the
Speaker 5: first release a Lisa album, and then Tony Maserati he
Speaker 5: did everything after that. And here's the thing, Tony Maserati
Speaker 5: was an assistant engineer Sigma Sounds. He was in New
Speaker 5: York City. He was an assistant. He was an assistant
Speaker 5: for Glenn. But we love Tony.
Speaker 8: We love Tony.
Speaker 5: So Glenn decides that he's going to go on vacation,
Speaker 5: even though we had sessions to do, and he felt
Speaker 5: that when he went on vacation, we was gonna stop ship.
Speaker 5: But we said, you know what, let's try Tony. You know,
Speaker 5: Tony's just an assistant. So we went to Sigma So
Speaker 5: I said, Tony, like you do some us. The first
Speaker 5: thing Tony did with us was was James fucking Brown
Speaker 5: and let me tell you something, mister my bet. That
Speaker 5: was the first thing he did.
Speaker 8: Was because we were doing that, Glenn thought we were
Speaker 8: wait for him. We inserted Tony.
Speaker 5: Even the manager of Sigma Soule said, listen, we can
Speaker 5: give you guys a head enginet because Tony's just an assistant.
Speaker 5: But we had confidence in Tony and we still keep
Speaker 5: in contact with Tony. He was talking, we were talking
Speaker 5: on the text thread like just a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 5: He had a new baby, baby boy and everything, and
Speaker 5: we inserted him as the head enginere and we never
Speaker 5: looked back. We used Tony for everything. Ain't by type
Speaker 5: of hype as Tony James Brown. And I'll never forget
Speaker 5: when we're in the studio, mister Brown. But you know
Speaker 5: we said, we said. I was there with mister Brown,
Speaker 5: and I said, all right, played play that vocal back,
Speaker 5: Tony that mister Brown just did. And Tony's like, uh,
Speaker 5: I just I just rased it. I raised it by accident,
Speaker 5: and and I said, and then mister Brown like stopped everything.
Speaker 5: So mister Brown said, uh, what's your name? He said,
Speaker 5: my name is Tony Maserati. Where are you from? I'm
Speaker 5: from Boston, sir? No, no, no, no, where are you from?
Speaker 5: I'm from Boston. No, No, where are you from? And
Speaker 5: Tony said his hands was all sweaty and he was nervous,
Speaker 5: and mister Brown just kept asking where are you from?
Speaker 5: So from that whole session, I said, oh, Tony, we're
Speaker 5: going to do this vocal again, and we just had
Speaker 5: mister brownside did the vocal again. But all throughout that session,
Speaker 5: mister Brown kept saying that Tony Maserati, where are you from?
Speaker 5: And you go up to Tony, where are you from? Exactly?
Speaker 8: But he's a great he went on, I mean, forget it, Tony.
Speaker 2: He did Crazy in Love, He did.
Speaker 8: Everybody and he's still doing it. So we's so proud
Speaker 8: of him. But that was the guy.
Speaker 5: And he used to do the editing with the rais
Speaker 5: of blade and cutting the tape something. Yeah, he was
Speaker 5: a master at that too. I'm like, man, how could
Speaker 5: people do that and and the edit be good?
Speaker 8: But Tony was so dope at it?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: But times have change, haven't they.
Speaker 4: I was, Yeah, I was asking because sonically, like between
Speaker 4: even now, like when I spend Alice or any any
Speaker 4: of your any full four songs, just the son there's
Speaker 4: a sonic difference, and ain't my type of hype that's
Speaker 4: way different than your other records. And always wanted to
Speaker 4: know if you used someone different that you weren't using
Speaker 4: between eighty five eighty six like earlier Full Force and Okay,
Speaker 4: you gave Tony his start, Yeah, yes he did.
Speaker 5: And he and he he always gives us props, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 5: game Star, did.
Speaker 4: You ever have because of the door that you opened
Speaker 4: with comedic acting for House Party, did it ever cross
Speaker 4: your mind that you could possibly be the.
Speaker 2: Black male blank if you will.
Speaker 12: On the voice over too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, man, I mean I do all kind of
Speaker 5: crazy voices, and you know, I do a lot of
Speaker 5: imitation voice, but I never pursued it. I remember Dawn Lewis, actress,
Speaker 5: Dawn Lewis a good friend of mine. She's she's a
Speaker 5: massiveat voice characterization. She could sound like a Jewish old
Speaker 5: man and she's crazy. She always told me that I
Speaker 5: should get into that, but I just never did. But
Speaker 5: if I did, I know i'd beat dope at it.
Speaker 5: You know, got a million voices.
Speaker 6: I was about to ask you how many characters, because
Speaker 6: sometimes when we've talked, I get I get a whole
Speaker 6: female that is not even overdone, just literally some.
Speaker 5: Chick that I just don't know.
Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am, So how many characters are in your head?
Speaker 5: You have kind of.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, I mean no, because I know he
Speaker 6: has characters. I feel like this woman, whoever this woman
Speaker 6: is that calls me sometimes, she's somebody she has.
Speaker 5: A name that calls you.
Speaker 6: It's a woman that calls me sometimes and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she thinks it's you calling as a character.
Speaker 5: I think I've discussed before that you have.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a woman a mirror, it is a woman.
Speaker 5: It is a it might be a white woman. I'm
Speaker 5: trying to tell you woman. She definitely likes.
Speaker 2: So you guys are practical jokers, I assume, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a big I'm a big prankster. I'm such
Speaker 5: a big kid, even to this day. I got exploding pens.
Speaker 5: I got oh she like like when we worked with Rihanna.
Speaker 5: Rihanna was seventeen going on eighteen at the time, and
Speaker 5: I remember coming out into the studio with an apron
Speaker 5: it said mouchoke And I'm like, yeah, I got a
Speaker 5: new vegetarian restaurant, you know, and we have you know,
Speaker 5: vegetarian sausages and everything like that, and she said really yeah,
Speaker 5: And then I lift up the apron and there's like,
Speaker 5: you know, a bildo hack behind there's a joker. She's laughing.
Speaker 5: She's crack of the hilly one. You miss it out.
Speaker 5: And I got stickers, crazy stickers.
Speaker 8: I'm so immature, the stickers.
Speaker 5: I remember putting a sticker on Eddie Murphy's back that
Speaker 5: said stand back, I just parted and Bullleg and lo
Speaker 5: is my hero ro bow Leg Loose for president and
Speaker 5: on everybody's back Russell Simmons, it's just ridiculous, and Gerald Lebert,
Speaker 5: may you rest in peace. He said, Yo, don't touch me,
Speaker 5: don't even hug me, you know. But then he came
Speaker 5: back and he did Jerl.
Speaker 8: Lebert stickers himself are so funny.
Speaker 5: So I'm a big kid for sure. Frankster.
Speaker 6: You answer her question, how many characters you got?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 5: I got a bunch of different voices. Man, you know
Speaker 5: the fake girl's voice and you know cartoon voice. And
Speaker 5: I did this movie called Who's the Man? And I was.
Speaker 2: Talking like, yes, motherfucker, please, motherfucker please you.
Speaker 5: Now you used to try to do like Imprescious. I
Speaker 5: don't know if you remember the late great comedian. He
Speaker 5: used to be in Hollywood to try to do Paul Lynn.
Speaker 5: You know, crazy?
Speaker 2: Did I just revealed my age?
Speaker 6: Like no, no, no, I just forgot. He was in
Speaker 6: a square, That's all right.
Speaker 12: You were in weren't you in Definite Temptation?
Speaker 5: As well?
Speaker 2: Were you?
Speaker 11: Were you you in Deaf Temptation? We were singing what
Speaker 11: movie you was in? Some of you were in?
Speaker 12: You were singing, Yeah, yeah, who's the Man?
Speaker 5: I sang in that. I sang in the church, in
Speaker 5: the church.
Speaker 12: Okay, who's the Man? I'm tripping the.
Speaker 5: Barber killer sang precious Lord, Oh, precious Lord. And it
Speaker 5: was supposed to be Mary J Bli was doing it,
Speaker 5: but she wasn't gonna She didn't she wasn't going to
Speaker 5: do it for some reason. And I remember the late
Speaker 5: great Bernie Mack and Bill Bellam coming into my trailer
Speaker 5: and they said, you'll do man, Mary J. Blige is
Speaker 5: not going to sing it. Man, I think it'd be dee.
Speaker 5: But if you sang it in the church, I mean,
Speaker 5: even though you're having to character forty and they wouldn't
Speaker 5: be expecting it. And that's how I got to sing
Speaker 5: Precious Lord, you know. For the next day, I went
Speaker 5: in the studio, knocked it out and sang it.
Speaker 12: I was wanting to ask you, lou, what was the
Speaker 12: significance of your braid?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 12: I always like that, Yeah, what's the significance of that?
Speaker 5: Well, here's the deal.
Speaker 8: It's no fucking significant watch or whatever.
Speaker 5: And I don't and I gotta listen. I gotta cut
Speaker 5: this ship off. Sometimes. My daughter was born and she
Speaker 5: just know me always wearing this damn braid?
Speaker 2: Is that your hair?
Speaker 3: And their?
Speaker 5: Is that your hair? My hair?
Speaker 2: Because that's a bee.
Speaker 5: That's a whole. And when we had Jerry Curls, I
Speaker 5: would we'd have like a little braid and I put
Speaker 5: the bead through here and I've had it since since
Speaker 5: we first came out as full.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the trademark. That's a superpower.
Speaker 5: I'm always in the movie and I remember when when
Speaker 5: do wims? When when do you wims? Used to see me.
Speaker 5: He's like, when are you gonna cut that ship off?
Speaker 9: So this is so ages, Manna, We're gonna be done
Speaker 9: with that ship.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, you know, one day I'm gonna cut
Speaker 5: it off. I thought I had a name for it.
Speaker 6: I really didn't know why.
Speaker 8: I don't know why I keep hanging.
Speaker 5: I remember Anthony Anderson one time I presented him with
Speaker 5: the woods somewhere and he says, Yo, man, I love
Speaker 5: this brother, but as anybody ever wanted, why the hell
Speaker 5: he wears this damn bead? And watch her? What's what's
Speaker 5: going on with that? And then you know, I showed
Speaker 5: the bead and he goes, oh, you got a nappy patch?
Speaker 4: So what the world isn't now? Actually it's hit me
Speaker 4: right now, obviously, louse. That is your voice at the
Speaker 4: very end of Leader of the Pack.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's me.
Speaker 2: You know. It's where DJ's.
Speaker 4: Were by not even doubles, but quadruples of that particular
Speaker 4: twelve minch. You want to know why, right when Philly,
Speaker 4: because everything that Jazzy Jeff would do, everybody would follow
Speaker 4: and suits also DJ cash money, But Jazzy Jeff developed
Speaker 4: like a bird chirping scratch, and cats would buy the
Speaker 4: Leader of the pat Utfo twelve inch just for whatever
Speaker 4: that beak is right before you say, Wow, I'm sorry
Speaker 4: for that, but that one, like Philadelphia, just has a
Speaker 4: very different relationship with that twelve inch only because that
Speaker 4: was the perfect sound to start doing the chirping bird scratch,
Speaker 4: you know at the time when Jeff was innovating like
Speaker 4: the Transformer scratch and all these type.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, but the.
Speaker 4: Chirping scratch, that was the record that you would have
Speaker 4: to play just for that one before you start doing
Speaker 4: your your female operator boys.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, right exactly exactly.
Speaker 16: All right, we got to get into the wow at
Speaker 16: the time, at the time I was living when when
Speaker 16: the Roots lived in London.
Speaker 4: That's you know a lot of people don't know that
Speaker 4: both Backstreet boys like basically what I call the Disney
Speaker 4: Orlando set up, Britney, Backstreet, anybody associated with Disney that
Speaker 4: during that time period, they all kind of got their
Speaker 4: traction in Europe first before TRL really started playing them regularly.
Speaker 4: So how did how did you guys even wind up
Speaker 4: being the producers of a lot of these acts that
Speaker 4: wound up selling diamond, like Backstreet Boys and syncing Brittany
Speaker 4: all these acts.
Speaker 2: How did you guys wind up doing that?
Speaker 5: Well? What happens that I had a meeting with Barry White,
Speaker 5: who was the president of Jive Records at the time,
Speaker 5: and and and remember there's six people in full force,
Speaker 5: and we split this way. I mean, not everybody wanted
Speaker 5: it that way with the majority rule. It was my
Speaker 5: idea that But then after a while, you know, it's like, damn,
Speaker 5: we need to We've been doing a lot of R
Speaker 5: and B and we the Samantha box of course, But
Speaker 5: I man, man, I think if we if I went
Speaker 5: to Barry, I said, you, Barry Man, you got some
Speaker 5: white people that we could produce, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: because we know it might go a long way. The
Speaker 5: way Job Records was handling stuff, it got might go
Speaker 5: a long way. To add to our you know, situation
Speaker 5: with doing a lot of R and B and stuff.
Speaker 5: So he said, and you know what we got these
Speaker 5: young guys did They huge overseas. They're not known yet
Speaker 5: in the United States, but they might be good for
Speaker 5: you to work with. And he showed me this video
Speaker 5: called quit playing Games with My Heart by the fact
Speaker 5: that's okay, And I took that video back to the guys.
Speaker 8: I played it.
Speaker 5: I played it in in the studio and I said, guys,
Speaker 5: we gotta get on this project. You know, they're not
Speaker 5: knowing in the United States, but they're big, big, huge
Speaker 5: overseas and I'll never forget it. After they we saw
Speaker 5: the video again, Baby, Jerry just came up to me
Speaker 5: and he said, yo, lou man, I got a song
Speaker 5: that I've been toying around with. And then Jerry started
Speaker 5: singing me the hook but my love is oh I
Speaker 5: have to kids, what thought you? I don't, thank God,
Speaker 5: can believe. And I looked at Jerry. I kissed him
Speaker 5: on the cheek. He's my cousin, and I said, Jerry,
Speaker 5: that is a fucking smash And man, I took that
Speaker 5: song into Job Records and they went crazy for it
Speaker 5: so much so so much so that said, we're gonna
Speaker 5: fly you guys out to Orlando. You're gonna record that
Speaker 5: song with the Backstreet Boys. This is incredible And that
Speaker 5: was the start actually of us doing you know, the
Speaker 5: boy bands and Brittany and Justin Timberlake and LFO, some
Speaker 5: of those people's passed away from made the rest of peace.
Speaker 5: And I'll never forget flying out to Orlando and there
Speaker 5: he was with the Battre Boys. Now, we was instructed
Speaker 5: to have the youngest member, Nick Carter, sing the lead
Speaker 5: of the whole.
Speaker 4: I was going to ask, how did how we wind
Speaker 4: up singing? And I'm a shame that I know that,
Speaker 4: but yes, I'm a music ed how wee wind up
Speaker 4: singing that join? Because that's I didn't Tito or Marlin
Speaker 4: to sing. And it's like, wow, I'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry, way wrong, But you know, well, okay.
Speaker 4: If you're seeing the Jackson's, I think they would expect
Speaker 4: you would expect Michael. No no, no, no, no, no, no
Speaker 4: disrespect because I know those guys. I'm just saying that
Speaker 4: if you have a Jackson's, you're expecting Michael maybe Jermaine
Speaker 4: to sing. And Howie wasn't the.
Speaker 2: Go to singer. So how did that happened?
Speaker 5: Wow, that's crazy quest. Well, the thing about it is this,
Speaker 5: when they told us they wanted Nick Carter to sing
Speaker 5: the whole song, I already had in my mind that
Speaker 5: I was gonna they was going to supervise me in Orlando.
Speaker 5: So I arranged with the vocals who would sing Watt
Speaker 5: and Wear. I said, Okay, they're talking about Nick because
Speaker 5: all the women love Nick.
Speaker 8: The girls love Nick. Like Clive Cole, who owned Jive Records.
Speaker 5: He was like, Nick, do it because Nick, Nick is
Speaker 5: all the women Nick the good Nick do the song.
Speaker 5: Let him do theod song. I said, okay, no problem,
Speaker 5: let Nick do the old song. But what we what
Speaker 5: I ended up doing. I said, okay, listen, in my mind,
Speaker 5: I'm saying I want Nick to open up just to
Speaker 5: satisfy the company.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: Then I saw Brian Littell sang as well. I knew
Speaker 5: AJ was AJ was like the soul soul guy singing,
Speaker 5: but I noticed Nick never. I noticed how we never
Speaker 5: sung anything. And because of my love for the tempations,
Speaker 5: that was my inspiration to have them sing it in parts,
Speaker 5: even though the record company didn't want it. And I said,
Speaker 5: I said, to Brian. Trust it, Brian, So, Howie, I
Speaker 5: know he doesn't sing anything.
Speaker 8: He doesn't lead singing.
Speaker 5: He's oh no, no, no, he's just background. He doesn't do anything.
Speaker 5: He's just a background guy. He just does background. I said,
Speaker 5: he got the high voice, but just background, just background,
Speaker 5: I said, I said, okay.
Speaker 8: Then I pulled Howie to the side.
Speaker 5: I said, you're how we I know you don't sing
Speaker 5: any leads. Is there a reason why you singing leads
Speaker 5: in any of the songs? I don't know. I don't
Speaker 5: know why. I said no, I said, sing something for me,
Speaker 5: and he sang a little something for me, and I
Speaker 5: just wanted him to do a lead vocal, which was
Speaker 5: the first lead vocal he ever had in his life
Speaker 5: with the Backron Boys, and I gave I said, well listen,
Speaker 5: you're going to open up the second verse of it.
Speaker 5: And I'll never forget when we were reporting Howie AJ
Speaker 5: came in there and he's like, whoa, Howie, me here?
Speaker 5: How we doing the lead? And then he said, wow,
Speaker 5: how you got a personality now, And it just made
Speaker 5: me feel good to have how he just sing a
Speaker 5: part of the song. And if you look at that
Speaker 5: video and you hear the song. All of them have parts.
Speaker 5: Now Kevin he does the bass and I'll sing it
Speaker 5: to you. He does on the album version where they
Speaker 5: do the tongue twist of harmony parts that my brother
Speaker 5: Paul made up. And that's how how he got to
Speaker 5: sing that. And I'll never forget how he was so
Speaker 5: indebted to me. Still to this day he gives me props.
Speaker 5: And he brought me to his house for dinner. After dinner,
Speaker 5: I said, hey, Howey, I said, just in front of
Speaker 5: his parents and everybody, I said, am I the first
Speaker 5: black guy ever to eat here? He said, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: you are who. Years later after that, when I went
Speaker 5: to his wedding, I got up and I sang for
Speaker 5: him and his bride at the wedding, and then I
Speaker 5: did a poem and I said, yeah, you know what
Speaker 5: I'll never forget when I got Howie to do his part,
Speaker 5: and I went to dinner and I said, am I
Speaker 5: the only and I and I was the only black
Speaker 5: guy ever comes house? And I was like, look around,
Speaker 5: I'm the only black person here at this wedding, So how.
Speaker 2: We keep no?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 8: But that's not how we got to singing, you know.
Speaker 5: And I love how he's a good guy with a
Speaker 5: good heart, and you know they let him sing other
Speaker 5: songs after that.
Speaker 4: Hey, when when you guys get your clients. For instance,
Speaker 4: when when Jimmy Jim did the show, they spent about
Speaker 4: two weeks with Janet Jackson before they even stepped in
Speaker 4: the studio, which you know, fourteen days is a long
Speaker 4: time when you're on a budget to just be hanging
Speaker 4: with someone. How long do you have to have personal
Speaker 4: time with your client before you decide.
Speaker 2: This this this is a song I have for you?
Speaker 2: Or were you.
Speaker 4: Guys just making I mean, you know, now we have
Speaker 4: like beat tape makers. All right, let me hear your
Speaker 4: beat tape and I'll decide what I want. Are you
Speaker 4: guys crafting these songs after you meet them or do
Speaker 4: you have them ahead of time?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we kind of craft them actually before we meet
Speaker 5: them kind of, and then and then afterwards we would
Speaker 5: do some songs, like when we worked with Jasmine Guy,
Speaker 5: who I love She's a sweetheart. Still when we worked
Speaker 5: with her, I remember we did a song called Johnny
Speaker 5: Come Lately for the album, which we crafted for her.
Speaker 5: But then during the album process, then we came up
Speaker 5: with you know, her her big hit, which was try Me,
Speaker 5: and we came up with that for her, specifically for
Speaker 5: her after meeting her and and vibing with her. So
Speaker 5: sometimes it's different. You know.
Speaker 17: The Weather Girls, we knew their history and we did
Speaker 17: three songs with them, and we just did it to
Speaker 17: fit their vocals, like Martha, Martha Wash and Isorah Armstead
Speaker 17: Make she rest in peace, you know.
Speaker 5: And that's how we would do it with the different artists,
Speaker 5: different people. I remember.
Speaker 8: I remember I wrote a song called.
Speaker 5: Love Love, what is it? Love my weight and lo
Speaker 5: love my weight in love or something like that. But
Speaker 5: it was a positive song. And I remember Martha's like, nah,
Speaker 5: I'm not doing that. No, we already did this Rain
Speaker 5: and Man and two tons of Fun, and no, I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna do that song.
Speaker 8: But once she heard it out, so I'll do it.
Speaker 8: But it was a positive, upbeat song. But we don't
Speaker 8: I don't think we've ever spent like two weeks. I
Speaker 8: remember when we was with Brittany.
Speaker 5: We was in there for about a good while just
Speaker 5: phoning in her vocals and everything, so much so that
Speaker 5: one of her earliest recordings we did with her is
Speaker 5: called Love That heard away.
Speaker 8: You could you could.
Speaker 5: You could go right to YouTube and hear it. It's
Speaker 5: definitely the best ever Britney vocals you ever want to hear,
Speaker 5: like ever compared to all the stuff she did after it,
Speaker 5: because I know, I always give my brother Paul prompts.
Speaker 5: He's like one of the best vocal producers I've ever seen.
Speaker 5: How he could transform somebody's vocals and just have them
Speaker 5: doing their thing, you know. And he's like such a
Speaker 5: stickler for the background, just like my father was. You know,
Speaker 5: when we worked with Patti LaBelle, I remember Patty LaBelle
Speaker 5: hit an off note and Paul stopped it and Paul said,
Speaker 5: your Patty, you just there's an off note right there.
Speaker 5: So we got to fix that. And we're like, oh,
Speaker 5: ship just.
Speaker 2: Steal it right, what the hell?
Speaker 5: And he said and she goes, no, no, that was off,
Speaker 5: that was off. No, No, let me played back. It's
Speaker 5: just a little on the bend. She says, what bend.
Speaker 5: We played it back and she said, oh, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 5: just a little a little off.
Speaker 2: You're right, You're right, Okay, go ahead, y'all got lucky.
Speaker 2: That could have went a whole other way. Hey, we
Speaker 2: were lucky.
Speaker 4: What is the divisional label of the six of you
Speaker 4: as far as all right, So say if say, if
Speaker 4: sh Shire or Baby Jerry writes a song by themselves,
Speaker 4: is it already agreed upon that the sixth of.
Speaker 2: You wrote it?
Speaker 4: Or you know, or do you guys just say okay,
Speaker 4: well you did this one by yourself, so you get
Speaker 4: on da da da da da da da, or you know,
Speaker 4: how how is it? How does it work in the studio?
Speaker 4: Like does designated people do the music? This designated person
Speaker 4: there for the engineering, this designated person do the vocals?
Speaker 4: Like how do you guys divide the work amongst each other?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a it's a different vibe like Samantha Fox.
Speaker 5: Mostly that's like a me and Jerry thing. Sometimes it
Speaker 5: just be me and Jerry in the studio with crazy
Speaker 5: Samantha Fox, who's who's always beautiful to work with. But
Speaker 5: it would be me and Jerry. And then say, like
Speaker 5: if the person writes the song, that's who's spearheading the session.
Speaker 8: Like B did I wonder if I take you Home?
Speaker 5: Kurt would help in with some of the music things,
Speaker 5: and B wrote the lyrics, but then you know, I'd
Speaker 5: make out some vocal licks like take me take me,
Speaker 5: take me home, and you know, and thanks to my child,
Speaker 5: basically just did it byself. So we kind of give
Speaker 5: each other our own space. Jerry came up with all
Speaker 5: I have to give, but I'm I arranged who would
Speaker 5: sing what, but then would vocal produce the vocals and
Speaker 5: Jerry would help them there also Jerry, me and Kurt
Speaker 5: did I'm real. Kurt presided over the whole track and
Speaker 5: everything like that.
Speaker 8: So everybody has their.
Speaker 5: Own thing and it would always still say written and
Speaker 5: produced by full force. And yes, we split everything no
Speaker 5: matter who did what six ways.
Speaker 4: So how do you, guys, what happens if you're in
Speaker 4: a situation where it might be territorial, where if you
Speaker 4: write a particular song and you hear it a certain way,
Speaker 4: and then.
Speaker 2: Kurt says, hell, I got a idea for that.
Speaker 4: Do you let people at least audition and the idea
Speaker 4: and if it does work, you keep it. If it
Speaker 4: doesn't work without a doubt, And how do y'all handle disagreements?
Speaker 5: That's how we are. So if we disagree on something
Speaker 5: the person who wrote the song, then we would just
Speaker 5: bend to them and just say all right, all right,
Speaker 5: no problem.
Speaker 8: But a lot of times.
Speaker 5: Everybody's open to add their own ideas, even of the
Speaker 5: song that I might wrote, and you know, no, no,
Speaker 5: that's kind of corny. Lude no, no, no, no, let's
Speaker 5: do this. Like I wrote all of my Mind for
Speaker 5: Full Force, which was a top ten song for us,
Speaker 5: and it was a slow song, All of my Mind talking.
Speaker 4: About very mean song, right, that was one of the
Speaker 4: meanest because.
Speaker 5: The pity Yeah y'all, y'all.
Speaker 2: Even Love Us for Suckers to a cold boy out.
Speaker 5: Because women, you know, women dog us all the time
Speaker 5: in songs, so we got to show that women could
Speaker 5: break our hearts too, you know. So all of my Mind,
Speaker 5: you know, Love Us for Suckers is another one. I'm
Speaker 5: unfaithful I can.
Speaker 2: Be the song that was Yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 5: Go right back at that. But we all hear each
Speaker 5: other's ideas, man, and we always just like let it out.
Speaker 5: There's never no big arguments and there's disagreements. We'd all
Speaker 5: come to an agreement and we just let everybody, you know,
Speaker 5: just do their thing, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 5: that's how we that's how we work.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, when you guys were working with
Speaker 4: Samantha Fox, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. At the time, you already know where I'm going
Speaker 2: with it, so.
Speaker 5: Go ahead.
Speaker 4: No, Well, you know, there was a a a notable
Speaker 4: Thesbian also with the name of Samantha Fox. And I
Speaker 4: think there was definitely a group of people that thought
Speaker 4: that you guys were producing for the foreign actress of
Speaker 4: the name Samantha Fox.
Speaker 11: They did, You're right, definitely right, Not wow, I missed that,
Speaker 11: but yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Then right, I Well, the thing was is that all
Speaker 4: Samantha Fox's songs, you know, touch me, I want to
Speaker 4: feel your body, naughty girls, and he loved to. We
Speaker 4: naturally thought that, oh, she retired from the porn world
Speaker 4: and now.
Speaker 12: She's singing, she's just saying about it, only.
Speaker 4: Only to find out that, you know, there there was
Speaker 4: an actual another Samantha Fox.
Speaker 2: And this one was not that person, but.
Speaker 5: But the but the real Samantha Fox, the singer Samantha Fox.
Speaker 5: She was in England called the Page six girl on
Speaker 5: some magazine. It wasn't a pornal magazine, but it was
Speaker 5: a magazine where it would show her her top, not naked,
Speaker 5: but her breast.
Speaker 8: As a page six girl, she was.
Speaker 4: She was the precursor of Kim Kardashian like, not exactly socialite.
Speaker 2: I mean, well that would have been Pisa Door.
Speaker 6: But oh wow, I haven't heard that name if forever.
Speaker 5: Kind of Yeah, well, Terry Jimmy did the album with Pias,
Speaker 5: didn't they chit ching?
Speaker 2: Yes they did, that's right.
Speaker 8: I got the cassette. I remember they. I remember one
Speaker 8: of them.
Speaker 5: I'm feeling her when the workers sent me the cassette,
Speaker 5: I'm like, wow, they did a Pia Sodora.
Speaker 8: And I know it was a money.
Speaker 5: Grab, but it was still it was still interesting, it
Speaker 5: was still good production.
Speaker 2: I might be wrong, but didn't you guys work with Selena?
Speaker 5: Yes? Yes, we did make she Rest in Peace? Uh
Speaker 5: we were the last American who's the last American producers
Speaker 5: to work with her? Because that album I'll never forget.
Speaker 5: I was at Electra Records, which no Emi Records, my
Speaker 5: bad Emi Records, and I just was talking to Nancy Brennan,
Speaker 5: who was in an A and R executive there, and
Speaker 5: I saw overhead a TV and there's a video and
Speaker 5: Selena was on this video singing and dancing and she's
Speaker 5: singing in Spanish and I was saying, yo, who's that?
Speaker 5: And she said, oh, oh, that's ol ti Haano artist.
Speaker 5: Her name is Selena. You know, I'm like, man, she's
Speaker 5: fine and look like she's performing and you know, I've
Speaker 5: never seen it or heard of her before. And then
Speaker 5: I told I said, yo, is the way we could
Speaker 5: produce something on her. I don't care if we even
Speaker 5: have to produce something in Spanish And she says, well, Lou,
Speaker 5: you know what, We're getting ready to do a half
Speaker 5: all English album with her. We're getting ready to do
Speaker 5: an old English album. And I'm like, really, we would
Speaker 5: love to work on that album. And she got in
Speaker 5: touch with Selena's brother, Abe Criintonella Junior, and we met
Speaker 5: with him and just so happened. He was a big
Speaker 5: fan of Full Force, and just so happened. Before Selena
Speaker 5: made it big, Selena used to perform Samantha Fox songs.
Speaker 5: You know, I won't have some fun in her shows,
Speaker 5: and that's how we got to work with her.
Speaker 8: And it was so crazy.
Speaker 5: Because we would do it. We would did a version.
Speaker 5: We did a song Missing My Baby with Selena, and
Speaker 5: when she had to come in to do the background vocals,
Speaker 5: like the next day, she had to come back to
Speaker 5: New York to do it. That's when I got a
Speaker 5: phone call from my mom and like, nobody heard of
Speaker 5: her back then, We just people just knew he was
Speaker 5: producing a girl named Selena. And then that's when she said,
Speaker 5: are you sitting down? I'm like, sitting down? Why are
Speaker 5: you guys staying down? For Selena? Selena died today? She
Speaker 5: got killed. I'm like, what?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 5: We were so blown away, and because she's such a
Speaker 5: sweetheart and she's a practical joker herself, but she was
Speaker 5: so blown away shocked, I mean very shocked, stunned. And
Speaker 5: then you just start seeing on TV. That's when a
Speaker 5: lot of people start knowing who Selena was because of
Speaker 5: what she passed. And I said, wow, crazy, Well I knew.
Speaker 5: I just knew that they were not going to go
Speaker 5: through with it with the all English album anymore. I
Speaker 5: figured they were just going to scrap it. But what
Speaker 5: they did is they said, after some weeks past, the
Speaker 5: father who was like presiding over the whole project, he
Speaker 5: called me and he said, look, listen, we want you
Speaker 5: guys to come up and finish and do the background
Speaker 5: vocals for the song missing My Baby, and you guys
Speaker 5: finished that off, and because we're gonna do a half thing,
Speaker 5: this half Spanish album. That's how we want to do
Speaker 5: and I'll never forget it.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 5: We flew down there to Corpus Christi, Texas, and it
Speaker 5: was still hot of her passing, because you still see
Speaker 5: flowers and candles right outside the studio. And we went
Speaker 5: inside the studio, man, and her leads was already recorded,
Speaker 5: and it just sounded so eerie hearing her sing through
Speaker 5: the studio and there we are doing the background vocals.
Speaker 5: We did the music already and there we all singing
Speaker 5: the background vocals to it, and you still hear her singing.
Speaker 5: And then after we finished doing what we did, the
Speaker 5: family came into that room, her father, her husband at
Speaker 5: the time. They came in that room to hear the
Speaker 5: song that we did, missing my Baby, remember the time
Speaker 5: missing my baby.
Speaker 2: Right yeah.
Speaker 5: And then there it is playing and you hear the
Speaker 5: cryings and the size we even had tears.
Speaker 8: And then when it was finished.
Speaker 5: Her father ab Quintonella Senior stood up and started applauding
Speaker 5: for us, started clapping, and then everybody else follows suit
Speaker 5: and started clapping for us. I'll never forget it, and
Speaker 5: it became it was on the album Dreaming of you album.
Speaker 5: We even produced it and we got I got my wish.
Speaker 5: We even produced the Spanish song on there, called Technocumbia,
Speaker 5: and the song was a huge blockbuster, you know, and
Speaker 5: another piece of platinum on our wall.
Speaker 8: But her legacy was incredible.
Speaker 5: I didn't know so much of her legacy until we
Speaker 5: was working with her, you know. But it was a
Speaker 5: great experience. She was a great person too, you know.
Speaker 4: Who I always wanted to know. Were there any close
Speaker 4: calls in your career as far as artists You almost
Speaker 4: work with, but from one way or another, like it
Speaker 4: never got to work out, Like you were supposed to
Speaker 4: produce blah blah blahs record and something happened.
Speaker 5: Or yeah, you know, we were supposed to do Gladys
Speaker 5: Knight and the Pips. This is when he she did
Speaker 5: safety over time for me eighty three. Yeah, the other
Speaker 5: time for me was the safety other time for me?
Speaker 5: That wasn't eighty.
Speaker 2: Three eighty three are anything? Love overboard?
Speaker 4: And was yeah, love overboard, that's right, Love over boy.
Speaker 5: We're supposed to we've been We've been spoke.
Speaker 8: To Bubba Bubba Knight and everything like that.
Speaker 5: But for whatever reason, you know, you know, Steve Salem
Speaker 5: was working with ideas. It just didn't happen. But yeah,
Speaker 5: we were so close to that one. You know, that
Speaker 5: would have been fantastic, you know, even you know, and
Speaker 5: then our ego kind of got in the way. When
Speaker 5: even though we worked with the in Sync, we did
Speaker 5: like three songs and their albums, the only Diamond album
Speaker 5: which were part of, which is Proud of. We were
Speaker 5: supposed to do this.
Speaker 8: Song and our ego got in away.
Speaker 5: We wrote this dope song, but they wanted and we
Speaker 5: wrote it one hundred percent, but the record company felt
Speaker 5: to let Max mart because Max Smart was having mad
Speaker 5: doing the damn thing. They said, listen, guys, we want
Speaker 5: to do that song. Maybe you guys wrote a hundred percent,
Speaker 5: but we just want Max to produce it, and our
Speaker 5: fucking ego got in the way. No, no, no, we
Speaker 5: want produce it like we produced the don't tell us
Speaker 5: what to do, And they said, okay, fuck it, fuck that.
Speaker 5: Then we just want to do it. But for that particular
Speaker 5: song they didn't want it. It's a perfect pop song,
Speaker 5: so gotten away that and I remember, even though she
Speaker 5: didn't blow.
Speaker 8: Up, but I just loved Shane.
Speaker 5: She was like fourteen years old, and we we We
Speaker 5: got a chance to work with her later, but at
Speaker 5: that time, I remember getting we was getting the contract
Speaker 5: backs to us, back and forth.
Speaker 8: We're going back and forth.
Speaker 2: Oh you almost said. The first record that Brian Larene.
Speaker 5: Did, yeah, we was.
Speaker 8: Yeah as.
Speaker 2: Can You Dance? Joran? Yeah.
Speaker 5: Bruce durn was her managing the time. I was just
Speaker 5: a lover with Shane's voice, even at such a young age.
Speaker 5: But that that that never came and we almost had
Speaker 5: a chance to produce my my favorite group in the
Speaker 5: world of Temptations, but that didn't come through as well.
Speaker 5: A lot of ship that didn't come through them, Like
Speaker 5: oh man, but story about it?
Speaker 6: You know, Hey, look, can you just I'm sorry, can
Speaker 6: you remind people real quick? Because I remember when the
Speaker 6: whole story came out about you guys producing in Sync,
Speaker 6: I was more team in Sync. I just started telling
Speaker 6: people that y'all did the whole album.
Speaker 13: But can you can you remind people the three the
Speaker 13: three songs on that Diamond record and and the what
Speaker 13: we did.
Speaker 5: We did I Just Want to Be with You, which
Speaker 5: is a song that they released. It wasn't released in
Speaker 5: the state it was on the album. It wasn't released
Speaker 5: in the States, but it was released overseas and it
Speaker 5: was like a top ten joint and that was like
Speaker 5: one of their favorite songs. They performed it on every
Speaker 5: concert that they did.
Speaker 8: Then we did a remake called.
Speaker 5: Everything I Own, which was which was originally done by
Speaker 5: I want to say, was it yes or not? Yes,
Speaker 5: it was done by another popular but we did a
Speaker 5: remake of it Everything I Owned. That was like one
Speaker 5: of the first times we actually saw the vocal wizardry
Speaker 5: of Justin timulate it. I was like, man, okay, Justin,
Speaker 5: you know, I want you to double your voice and
Speaker 5: do the same kind of thing, you know, whatever is
Speaker 5: he was just he was just incredible.
Speaker 6: I just got to say it.
Speaker 5: But jayc was too, But Justin was on just some
Speaker 5: on the level. And you want to know something, they
Speaker 5: all they all love black music. Justin Justin timberlate that
Speaker 5: that that he used to do like imitate Usher dances
Speaker 5: and everything Usher and everything black. He just let everything
Speaker 5: black and.
Speaker 2: One more times can't.
Speaker 6: Right now everything I like the way you say black,
Speaker 6: everything black.
Speaker 5: No, No, he loved he loved he loved the black music,
Speaker 5: just not the women, not the women.
Speaker 2: But I got God told you Lucy satting you up.
Speaker 5: I wasn't I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I wasn't. I wasn't I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I had to do that.
Speaker 5: Ladies.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.
Speaker 8: You know it was it was so it was so much.
Speaker 5: It was so much so that they did the story
Speaker 5: of us for Vibe magazine and Baby Jerry did a
Speaker 5: quote and Vibe Magazine and he said, yeah, man, you
Speaker 5: walk into there and you see in sync, and you
Speaker 5: see this kid, Justin Timberlate and he's just just singing
Speaker 5: Brian mcnight songs and he's doing like usher dancing to
Speaker 5: doing Usher dances, and then he's just incredible and and
Speaker 5: and Justin was so excited about out that. And when
Speaker 5: we came back to work with What's Cherry? What's Cherry?
Speaker 5: What Cherry Cherry? Man? Thanks for saying that, man, Oh,
Speaker 5: thanks for saying that in five magazine and their picture
Speaker 5: was in Vibe magazine. It's so back. She wasn't Britain
Speaker 5: because we were talking about us doing these pop facts.
Speaker 5: But he just loved being revered by black folks. Listen,
Speaker 5: do you remember question I failed for that? So I'm
Speaker 5: not I have nothing Train Awards when he won.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the point.
Speaker 6: When he did he wear carroles that night, I can't remember.
Speaker 5: He loved it. That was kind of crazy to me.
Speaker 6: But yeah, and the mirror I'm not being I'm not
Speaker 6: being funny and mirror I felt like I felt when
Speaker 6: I heard Gone for the first time.
Speaker 5: I was one at my black radio station in Philadelphia.
Speaker 6: That was like, let's just play this record and not
Speaker 6: say who's singing the song?
Speaker 5: Like, so I fell for it. I'm just all right. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, I think Bread is the group
Speaker 4: that did everything I owned.
Speaker 5: Uh, yes, yes, indeed.
Speaker 4: Wait, boy, wait you mentioned nineteen eighty three. All right,
Speaker 4: and we're gonna wrap this up soon.
Speaker 5: But it just hit me.
Speaker 4: Maybe there's there's one question. I there's one factoid about
Speaker 4: your career.
Speaker 2: I didn't know.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that you guys had worked with Bob Dylan.
Speaker 4: Can I ask if this was the Curtis blow connection
Speaker 4: to Bob Dylan?
Speaker 5: Or yes?
Speaker 6: Wait, what's that.
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: I'm you No, No, I put two and two together
Speaker 4: and all right, Well, one, when salam Remy was fourteen
Speaker 4: years old, he had talked Curtis Blow into doing a
Speaker 4: cover of Magilla Gorilla Why anyway? Anyway, Also on also
Speaker 4: on that record, I had the America album.
Speaker 2: So I do know that.
Speaker 4: Bob Dylan had sung on Curtis Blow's America album. And
Speaker 4: I think I forget the producer at the time that
Speaker 4: was also working with Bob Dylan.
Speaker 2: It might have been. Was it Bill Laswell?
Speaker 4: I forget who it was, but it was like someone
Speaker 4: that had some sort of street cred. It was either
Speaker 4: Bill Laswell or it could have been Arthur Baker, but
Speaker 4: like somebody who was not Rick Rubin, but like the
Speaker 4: white guy that was sort of in hip hop circles.
Speaker 2: And so I just put two and two together.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, you guys work with Curtis Blow, and yeah,
Speaker 4: it makes sense that that's how it went down. So
Speaker 4: he chose you guys to sing background on a joint
Speaker 4: that was on the Infidel's record exactly.
Speaker 5: And actually we did two joints, but that one made
Speaker 5: the one of them made the Infidel's album, which is
Speaker 5: called Death Is Not the End. And how that happened
Speaker 5: was we was working.
Speaker 15: With Curtis Blow at power station in New York and
Speaker 15: they just heard ours because we were singing back on
Speaker 15: focus to songs we did with Kurt, and they.
Speaker 5: Would walk in and out and they would hear it.
Speaker 18: And then all of a sudden, one of his assistants
Speaker 18: came to us and like, hey, when you guys are finished,
Speaker 18: just one guys, if you guys could come lay down
Speaker 18: some background vocals to a new artist that a new
Speaker 18: artist client will pay you something for.
Speaker 5: The new artist client of ours. And we said yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: And we weren't known then, but we was down to
Speaker 5: do it. This is right before we signed with Columbia Records,
Speaker 5: this full Force and whatever, and we went to perform
Speaker 5: for this new We went to go in there to
Speaker 5: see this new artist. And when we walked in there,
Speaker 5: because remember our music, we stemmed all the way back
Speaker 5: from when we were kids seeing all these artists at
Speaker 5: the Apollo Theater like from everybody. So we saw fucking
Speaker 5: Bob Dylan, were just so blown. That's a new artist.
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, that's that's art. That's Bob, that's Bob Dylan,
Speaker 5: and it's Bob Dylan man. And he walked over to us,
Speaker 5: how y'all doing, y'all doing good? How y'all feel shaking
Speaker 5: our head? And how you're doing. Yeah, yeah, I just
Speaker 5: like to hear y'all vote do your vocals on these
Speaker 5: two songs of mine. I really loved that. And we
Speaker 5: were going and we just stayed there and we did
Speaker 5: background vocals on two Bob Dylan songs, and then we
Speaker 5: was appeared on the album because we were known then
Speaker 5: through the Least Release and coaching with Full Force. You know,
Speaker 5: we saw our name on the sticker with credits Full Force.
Speaker 8: And with Bob Doling.
Speaker 5: It was incredible, you know, incredible.
Speaker 4: All right, So I I was going to ask the
Speaker 4: last question, did you guys have anything?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I just.
Speaker 6: Want to ask one laugh for you. I just want
Speaker 6: to lou, have we been keeping you on screens for
Speaker 6: too long? Because I just realized that, you know, we
Speaker 6: as we talked, as we're talking about the future, the
Speaker 6: presents and whatnot, that you have your own battles with
Speaker 6: health and your eyes. So I was just curious. I
Speaker 6: was like, wait, are you supposed to be looking at
Speaker 6: screens as long?
Speaker 5: An? Oh no, no, yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine. I got
Speaker 5: central vision is still good. I'm keeping being proactive with
Speaker 5: my eye. I got this disease called retinies, pigmentos at
Speaker 5: least the blindness. But I'm proactive with the treatments of it.
Speaker 5: Like I'm going to do this treatment called the hyperbaric
Speaker 5: oxygen therapy which you get into the chamber and you.
Speaker 2: Ain't Michael Jackson thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's in the eyes because what it does
Speaker 5: installs the progression of any more sight loss, Like I
Speaker 5: don't have any peripheral vision anymore, but I just got
Speaker 5: my central vision, so you know, it's it's it's all good.
Speaker 5: So I'm good, man, I'm just I'm happy to be
Speaker 5: doing this show ques to tell you truth, man, I
Speaker 5: love it.
Speaker 6: And this is the last question I want to ask.
Speaker 6: I want you to ask about your your dad and
Speaker 6: what he taught you and your brothers about being men,
Speaker 6: because I feel like watching you guys, there are no barriers.
Speaker 6: Y'all have this kind of love that I can kiss
Speaker 6: my brother on the cheek, I can, you know, It's
Speaker 6: just it's no barriers. So I'm curious as to what
Speaker 6: your father told you.
Speaker 2: What a man are you? You are your brother's keeper?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that too, but just too, and how they operate
Speaker 6: as men without barriers as well, like not have you know,
Speaker 6: not the extra extra manly all the time.
Speaker 5: And even though yes, yeah, yeah, well my father didn't
Speaker 5: kind of teach us that, but we kind of got
Speaker 5: that also from our mother. So my mother and our
Speaker 5: father kind of kind of did that for us. And
Speaker 5: just to be real with it, because even though we
Speaker 5: were machra when we're full force, you know, we still
Speaker 5: got our emotional side and illness as well, even though
Speaker 5: we're men. You know, the bottom line is that, yeah,
Speaker 5: if I want to cry, I could cry and just
Speaker 5: feel feel the whole uh love scenario there. So my
Speaker 5: mother and my father may rest in peace, taught us that,
Speaker 5: you know, taught us not the whole grudges because I
Speaker 5: don't hold grudges at all. And my thing I'll never forget.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm saying this public people, I'll never forget.
Speaker 5: My father's wife at the time wasn't my mother. It
Speaker 5: was his wife before he passed. You know. We just
Speaker 5: used to always have some back and forth with her,
Speaker 5: and I'll never forget when we had to run in
Speaker 5: and she jumped in my face and said, all right,
Speaker 5: well you're going blind. You're going blind. She said that
Speaker 5: to me at the nursing where my father was, and
Speaker 5: I was like, it's okay, and I walked out, and
Speaker 5: she like taunted me, She's so stupid, But that was okay.
Speaker 5: Two weeks later, I forgave her. I reached out an
Speaker 5: olive branch to her and I said, well, listen, I
Speaker 5: just want I don't want to hold any grudges, because
Speaker 5: of course we still wanted to know what was happening
Speaker 5: to my father since she was the healthcare proxy and
Speaker 5: everything and controlled all that stuff. So I forgave her.
Speaker 5: I just don't like to hold grudges for anything. The
Speaker 5: only time I holdly grudge is if somebody does bodily
Speaker 5: harm or fatal bodily harm to my family or friends,
Speaker 5: then I'm holding a fucking grudge. But other than that,
Speaker 5: I don't like to I like to forgive the best
Speaker 5: way I can. And my mother and father taught us that.
Speaker 5: They told like, my mother always says she has three
Speaker 5: wonderful sons. So even though I'm the primary caregiver for
Speaker 5: my mom, my brother's pitching as well, we all are
Speaker 5: caregivers to her, and I always like hearing her saying
Speaker 5: she has three wonderful sons because she has her health
Speaker 5: challenges now but we have to be there for her
Speaker 5: like she was there for us.
Speaker 8: It's just like my brother Paul.
Speaker 5: You know, when my brother Paul was fighting for his
Speaker 5: life with the cancer. I mean, and Paul is like
Speaker 5: mister invincible, you know, it's like for him to have cancer,
Speaker 5: it was like a mind blow. He's eight years cancer
Speaker 5: free now, but when he was really fighting for his life,
Speaker 5: we had to have a bone marrow stemself transplant. I
Speaker 5: was just one hundred percent match. Thank god, my brother
Speaker 5: b Fine said, man, I thought I was going to
Speaker 5: be the match because me and.
Speaker 8: Him look more alike.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, being but I was his match. He finan
Speaker 5: for his life. He needed sick he needed Paul was
Speaker 5: always positive though, no matter what, he was always positive.
Speaker 5: You can never see a chink in his armor except
Speaker 5: behind closed doors. I maybe saw it twice, but an
Speaker 5: outer thing, think positively positive because he's not like that.
Speaker 5: Then we don't even get to a transplant. But when
Speaker 5: he was fighting for his life and they said he
Speaker 5: needed six million stemselves, I was the one at home
Speaker 5: taking Nu pigeon shots, like injecting myself twice a day
Speaker 5: for two weeks to harvest my own stem cells to
Speaker 5: give to my brother. And when I went into the hospital,
Speaker 5: they said, listen, your brother needs six million stemselves. If
Speaker 5: you don't give him enough, we're going to take a
Speaker 5: cafeter to your chest and try to extract, try to
Speaker 5: extract more that we could do. Now, here's what can
Speaker 5: happen during this procedure, what we're doing now, you could
Speaker 5: bleed to death. Your spleen could bleed, and this and
Speaker 5: that and.
Speaker 8: Blah blah, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 5: And then they said, would you still like to go
Speaker 5: through it this? And I said, of course I was.
Speaker 5: It was my brother, you know who wouldn't. And they said,
Speaker 5: you'd be surprised, mister George. I said what I said,
Speaker 5: Do some siblings have done that?
Speaker 8: Knowing that?
Speaker 5: They said, yeah, some they get so scared that yeah,
Speaker 5: then they back out. I'm like, oh, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to back out. So we did the damn thing, and
Speaker 5: instead of giving Paul six million stemselves, I was able
Speaker 5: to give him nine million steps. Wow. I became. I
Speaker 5: became a conduit from God to help save Paul's life
Speaker 5: and these eight years cancer free right now, I just
Speaker 5: told him I wish he had some damn stem cells
Speaker 5: form my fucking eyes. You know, I was turn the paper,
Speaker 5: but it's all good man, and Paul's just doing his thing.
Speaker 5: You know, even even before it's themself transplant, he was
Speaker 5: at the hospital still working out when he was supposed
Speaker 5: to doing push ups and doing stuff for me. He
Speaker 5: was like he was like an inspiration over there.
Speaker 2: That's why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I monitored his progress on his Instagram and it's
Speaker 4: beautiful to see him.
Speaker 2: Uh. I wanted to.
Speaker 4: Know, even without uh, even without what we're going through
Speaker 4: in UH COVID and quarantining, how do you currently stay creative?
Speaker 2: Like is music still.
Speaker 4: A first love to you as it once was, or
Speaker 4: are you just at another place in your life where
Speaker 4: you're just enjoying life and you know, what is your
Speaker 4: relationship with not with the music business, but just with
Speaker 4: creativity in general, and you know, kind of your relationship
Speaker 4: with music.
Speaker 5: We still love music, I mean that's our fiber from
Speaker 5: the beginning. So it's just a different space and time
Speaker 5: now with how music is now, it's like anybody could
Speaker 5: buy music now. I mean Jimmy jam sent Paul pull
Speaker 5: men at check out my new single. He sent them
Speaker 5: by phone. I mean, look, how look how tithes of change.
Speaker 5: It's a single and I feel and I love, I
Speaker 5: love Jimmy jim and Terry Lewis. They're like heroes of ours.
Speaker 5: I'll never forget when they won their Grammy and they
Speaker 5: did an interview for Billboard magazine and in it because
Speaker 5: of Alice had came out, and they gave us prout
Speaker 5: by saying, yeah, man, right now, our favorite group is
Speaker 5: Full Force and our favorite song is alex I Wann't
Speaker 5: You Just for Me? And we're like, man, that's coming
Speaker 5: from Terry losing Jimmy Jam. But the album that they've done,
Speaker 5: and like the single with the Babyface that they did,
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a good record. So in today's age
Speaker 5: of music, I mean, you know, they don't they don't
Speaker 5: rever it like how it should because back in our
Speaker 5: era that have been a huge deal.
Speaker 8: Are you kidding? You know, Terry losing Jimmy Jam doing
Speaker 8: an album together, that would be a huge deal.
Speaker 9: You know the fact then now Isa days, it's a
Speaker 9: whole it's a whole difference there.
Speaker 5: And I'm not a hater or anything like that, but
Speaker 5: I'm saying it's just, yeah, different times, not exhausting, just
Speaker 5: a little disappointing. Sometimes with the way how music scenario is.
Speaker 5: You know, I know, we got the whole TikTok and
Speaker 5: you just buy stuff. I miss the days. I mean,
Speaker 5: I mean, call me a dinosaur if you want. But
Speaker 5: I love going to the record store and staying in
Speaker 5: the record ours for hours looking at the album covers
Speaker 5: and the credits on the back, and buy my Temptations
Speaker 5: album and buying my motortown review and buying this and
Speaker 5: buy that, and even the cvs. I love that, you know.
Speaker 5: So our music thing is still good because we're still
Speaker 5: doing music. We're still producing songs and everything like that
Speaker 5: and streaming and everything like that.
Speaker 8: One of the exciting things that we did, at least
Speaker 8: for me, which was last Christmas.
Speaker 5: You know, we did our first ever full force Christmas song,
Speaker 5: which we we did it like maybe a month before Christmas.
Speaker 5: But next time, being that it's a Christmas song, we'll
Speaker 5: be able to promote it better.
Speaker 8: But we did a rendition.
Speaker 5: Of Silent Night, which we actually dedicated because you know,
Speaker 5: the Temptations have.
Speaker 2: They say in my mind? Did you say in my mind?
Speaker 5: First they had a classic legendary version of Silent Night
Speaker 5: and a classic legendary album Christmas album by the Temptations.
Speaker 5: But this was when Eddie Kendricks was singing lead and
Speaker 5: then Melvin Franklin was singing song. So we did a
Speaker 5: version of that and and I gotta pat myself on
Speaker 5: the it's on YouTube.
Speaker 8: You see the video.
Speaker 5: Did the videok, And and we did it. We literally
Speaker 5: dedicated it to Melvin Franklin right in the beginning.
Speaker 2: I talked.
Speaker 8: I said, we'd like to dedicate the song.
Speaker 5: To Melvin Franklin Temptations who did a classic version of
Speaker 5: Silent Night and made it even a double classic. And
Speaker 5: we sang and then we have a friend of ours
Speaker 5: from the neighborhood. We didn't even know he could sing
Speaker 5: until like a few years ago that he sang the
Speaker 5: Melvin Franklin part.
Speaker 8: Now he's not Melvin.
Speaker 5: But we did it justice. And you know when I
Speaker 5: know we did it justice. I got a thumbs up
Speaker 5: from Otis Williams Otis when he heard it called he
Speaker 5: called me and he said, that's beautiful and I love
Speaker 5: the way you opened it up by giving introduction to
Speaker 5: Melvin Franklin. And we dedicated it to Temptations. Listen, we're
Speaker 5: not stupid. We're not going to do a remake and
Speaker 5: you know, leave it alone, don't compete. It's not comparab
Speaker 5: We're just dedicating it to the temptation giving them homage.
Speaker 5: Eddie Kendrick's daughter Ika Kendricks listen to it, call me up, Lou.
Speaker 5: That was beautiful. So I got her blessing. And then
Speaker 5: Melvin Franklin's wife, widow Kimberly English, she sent me a
Speaker 5: long text about it and she gave me blessing. So
Speaker 5: I got blessing from Melvin's wife, Eddie's daughter and Otus Williams.
Speaker 5: So I knew our job was done with that. So
Speaker 5: that was exciting for me. And you can go look
Speaker 5: it on YouTube. It's dope performance. And then I said, hey,
Speaker 5: why were added? Let's do another Cristmas song. And we
Speaker 5: also did a version of in this funny Christmas song
Speaker 5: but it's dope. It's called twelve Christmas performed by the
Speaker 5: House Party Bullies Lack.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely looking this shit up now.
Speaker 5: We did a video to that and it's hilarious.
Speaker 2: I'm looking it up immediately.
Speaker 5: It's hilarious.
Speaker 4: I have to say that this definitely lived up to
Speaker 4: my expectations. This was worth the ten year or fifteen
Speaker 4: year or twenty year wait that I've been dying to
Speaker 4: have a real conversation and pick your brain about everything
Speaker 4: that you've done creatively. Just know that every aspect of
Speaker 4: your career I followed it. I'm such a fan of
Speaker 4: you guys, and I'm really appreciative of everything that you've contributed,
Speaker 4: everything from your skits to your songwriting, to your backgrounds,
Speaker 4: to your drum programming, to every everything that you guys
Speaker 4: have done. Thank you, man, That's all I can say,
Speaker 4: and I really appreciate that.
Speaker 8: Before I go, can I ask you a questions?
Speaker 5: Did you like when music was changing up and they
Speaker 5: were taking out the live, live feel of stuff. Did
Speaker 5: you ever conform to like or given or whatever to
Speaker 5: like the drum machines and stuff like that, or accepted
Speaker 5: it even on the mental aspect of.
Speaker 2: It, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean at the time when we came in the game,
Speaker 4: like we were the oye guy out, like, all right,
Speaker 4: you guys are playing instruments. So you know, when our
Speaker 4: when our second when our third album, Illadelph Half Life
Speaker 4: came out, I felt a pressure to maybe maybe conform
Speaker 4: and and try to be as normal as possible. But
Speaker 4: I mean at the end of the day, I just
Speaker 4: I learned everything about studio technology. So my old thing
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, well, I'm gonna try. I'm still drum
Speaker 4: but I got to figure out how to make my
Speaker 4: drums even sound more pliable to hip hop it so
Speaker 4: that it doesn't feel as foreign, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I've learned since then to learn every aspect of the game.
Speaker 2: Even when I hang up.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm about to do something I rarely do. I
Speaker 4: gotta cut a demo for this project I'm working on now,
Speaker 4: which none of the roots are here. So I'm gonna
Speaker 4: try and do everything by myself, which to be rather
Speaker 4: a nightmare.
Speaker 6: But you gotta get rest.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm not going I know.
Speaker 4: I haven't announced it yet, but I guess this episode
Speaker 4: will come out later. The Oscars desired me. So I'm
Speaker 4: the musical director of the Oscars this year.
Speaker 12: Yes, it was very it should be loud.
Speaker 6: It's the Oscars and you black congratulation.
Speaker 5: It's Reggie part of the production team on the Oscars
Speaker 5: this time, Reggie Hudling.
Speaker 4: No, it's it's it's Jesse Collins who did BT wow the.
Speaker 2: Super Bowl to so Steven Sodenberg.
Speaker 4: Steven Sadenberg's directing it and Jesse Collins is producing it.
Speaker 5: And that question with the drumming and the drum machine,
Speaker 5: because I never forget my brother be Fine, who was
Speaker 5: doing drums. I remember when we went into the studio
Speaker 5: and it's the first time because you know, he played
Speaker 5: live drums and all all cried out and all of
Speaker 5: that stuff. But then when we had he we had
Speaker 5: to do a drum machine thing. I'll never forget him
Speaker 5: sitting in the booth and he was so dejected because
Speaker 5: he couldn't believe that he was doing the first song
Speaker 5: without any live drums. He just couldn't accept it in
Speaker 5: the beginning. And then later on he adapted to the
Speaker 5: technology that he was programming drums and all that, but
Speaker 5: he was so crushed at that.
Speaker 8: I'll never forget that.
Speaker 5: You know, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I'm not crushed.
Speaker 4: I on other ways to be creative, and you know,
Speaker 4: like it's I consider just drumming just one eighth of
Speaker 4: everything that I you know, I still got to engineer
Speaker 4: these records.
Speaker 2: I still have.
Speaker 4: To figure out everything else. So you know, not at all,
Speaker 4: I'm not discouraged at all. I just I learned everything.
Speaker 8: I hate you, but yo, man, I just want to
Speaker 8: say also questions.
Speaker 5: On top of that, Man, thank you my brother, thanks
Speaker 5: for the respect and the love. It's boomerang right back
Speaker 5: to you. I appreciate you being part of our unsung.
Speaker 5: I'll never forget that as long as I live. My pleasure.
Speaker 4: Thank you for acknowledging my birthday too, brod Is.
Speaker 2: Should you know that you and.
Speaker 4: Pe Wee Herman are the number one acknowledgers of everyone's
Speaker 4: holiday and birthday?
Speaker 6: He came out in the snow to the forty ninth,
Speaker 6: Yes he did.
Speaker 2: He did.
Speaker 5: I say thank you because your birthday party, your birthday
Speaker 5: celebration was crazy. It was so creative and I was like, man,
Speaker 5: I can't believe this. You know the whole movie I
Speaker 5: think I was with the Final the Final Web was
Speaker 5: I doing? No? The hard did they come? That's the movie?
Speaker 5: But it was so creative, that whole thing. Then I
Speaker 5: got to meet I'll never forget this is a crazy story,
Speaker 5: but I got to meet Karen Parson's just love it.
Speaker 6: That is the random.
Speaker 5: Oh, I just love from the press, just loved period.
Speaker 5: And I'll never forget when I met her there how
Speaker 5: how I said wow, Karen. So great to meet you.
Speaker 5: Because my boy that was with me, you know, he
Speaker 5: nearly fell off the seat to get to her to
Speaker 5: take a picture, took a picture. I said, yeah, listen,
Speaker 5: I'm because listen, I take myself for granted all the time,
Speaker 5: so I don't know. I said, listen, I'm bow legged
Speaker 5: lout right from four for us, and I take a
Speaker 5: picture because first of all, I know who you are, right,
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't take that for granted. So we
Speaker 5: took a picture and it was just, it was just,
Speaker 5: it was just a crazy party. And I gave you,
Speaker 5: like I'm always giving out plaques just for me. I'm
Speaker 5: not the Grammys of America.
Speaker 2: Love.
Speaker 5: I gave quest a beautiful plaque from I still have it,
Speaker 5: yes here here, and I told him please don't use
Speaker 5: it as as a frisbee, but from my heart, you know.
Speaker 5: And yo, man, thank you so much for thank you
Speaker 5: for being a friend. Man, I'm so proud to call
Speaker 5: you my friend. I'm so proud of you and all
Speaker 5: of what you do as well, my brother.
Speaker 2: Thank you that I appreciate it. Thank you man.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you enjoyed
Speaker 4: this episode of Court Love Supreme with our steam guest
Speaker 4: Full Legg Flue of Full Force.
Speaker 2: When we have a team Sapree. My name is Quest
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Speaker 2: Yo.
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