WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Bowlegged Lou Part 2 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.080 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:06.400 Ladies and gentlemen. 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:10.039 Welcome to part two of the bow Laked Lou episode 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:14.880 of Quest Love Supreme. You know, we talked about his 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.400 his beginnings with singing with his brothers growing up in 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.440 New York, and of course giving Curtis blow uh making 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:26.920 classics with utfo uh the real rocks. 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.120 In Lisa, Lisa and Calt Jam. 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:31.040 We even give a little shout out to Tony Marrish 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:35.680 in this episode, not to mention Shoel Patsey Riley working 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:39.760 with James Brown making movies with Kidd and play Uh. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:42.120 Of course we're going to get into their work, all 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.440 setting and sinking Backstreet boys. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:46.920 You know, so much work, so much genius. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.159 This is part two of the bow Laked Lou episode 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:51.479 of Quest Love Supreme. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:01:04.000 Enjoy lout tell me you're her best James Brown story. Man, 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.160 let's go, because I feel like I feel like there's 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.440 gonna be five of them. 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:15.760 Man, crested so many, Okay, I know I'm trying. I 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:20.200 want to. I'm gonna tell all of them, but I 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:20.680 need some. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:21.640 I need a few. 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.720 You haven't repeated yet, at least. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.040 On some you know something I'll be honest with you, 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:28.640 like you. 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:32.480 But I actually avoided hearing that, like I was waiting 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:36.000 for this moment to happen, this interview with him, that 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:37.199 I actually muted. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:38.520 I don't know anything. 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.039 I purposely wanted to hear the first time when I 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.440 had my first platform to interview. 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.480 I get that you want to be unted, Lou interview. Yes, okay, 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:49.680 tell us the story. 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:54.320 Only because that uh, that clip that people watch where 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.560 James is kind of off the hook and loopy, you know, 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:02.920 with the glasses and he's interviewing the lady. I would 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.720 like to think that that was taking a break from 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.800 the I'm Real video set because he's dressed the same 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.560 way as he is in the video. So I'm assuming 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:17.520 that whatever he was on during that interview was also 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:18.200 in all club. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:28.079 So go ahead, Lou, uncle Lou, please tell us one 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:33.000 James Mall story so that won't get you in trouble 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.720 because we loved and I'm good friends with his daughter. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.360 Yea god, but but but I'm but I'm gonna speak, 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:41.160 but I gotta speak. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:42.640 We got clean clean it up. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.560 Then sorry, no, no, no, So here's the deal with 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:50.519 mister Brown. That's all we ever called him when when 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.800 we got the when we got the uh, the call 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.320 to do an entire James Brown album from Johnny Musso 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.600 who's executive as Scottie Brothers at the time, when mister 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.400 Brown recorded Living in America. 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.320 And then when we got that call that you know. 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.320 Mister Brown, James Brown would love you guys, you know, 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.520 to do a whole album with James Brown. That's the 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:16.160 call we got. We were blown away. And the first 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.359 thing we started hearing was that, oh man, when y'all 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.280 work with James Brown, man, it's going to be He's 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:21.960 a task mask man, and he's mean. 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.280 We hear all these stories. So I said, before we 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:25.280 go in the studio. 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.480 With him, let me call somebody that that worked with him, 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.400 just so I could be ready about for anything. So 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.120 I called Dan Hartman, who I didn't know, but I 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.640 got his number because he did the Living in America 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.160 and he worked on the Gravity and he did Gravity 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:41.400 and he had his own hits We light my fire 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:46.480 and so I get on the phone with him, introduced 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.720 myself and I said, yeah, man, we're about to work 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.920 on a James Brown album. This bow Lad full Force 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.800 and you know, can you you know, we hearing rumors 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.760 and this, and you know we when we love James Brown. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.120 So he said, all right, well, the first thing, you 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:06.320 don't call him James. You called him mister Brown first 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.360 and foremost that's all you ever call him mister Brown. 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:14.320 I'm like, okay, okay. Now he's kind of particular in 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.039 the studio. And so what happens that the first day 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.360 that mister Brown, we had songs ready and everything like that. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.400 So the first day that he came that he was coming, 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.960 we sent Paul because nobody puts us in awe, but 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.240 mister Brown put us in a little owe. But we 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.080 sent Paul to go get him. Paul, you're the welcome 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.720 committee for mister Brown. And Paul went to get him 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.560 and greet him at the elevator and he was mister 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:44.760 Brown was wearing like a handkerchief around his neck sometime 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:49.240 of like crazy hat. He had like shades on, like 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:54.400 red shades. Oh wow, some bootsy college shades. 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.400 And he had some heels on, and. 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.960 He was just a legend, just legend derry. And he 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:03.560 came walking in the studio. Paul said, how are you doing, 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.400 miss Strong, Just coming and meet the rest of the guys, 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:09.320 and he came in there. Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen. Now, I 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.080 love y'all. I love y'all, like y'all my son. So hey, 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:13.880 I just want to know that we're gonna have a 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.120 good session and we're going to do that. And then 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:24.000 thank you, mister Brown. We didn't understand what he said, 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:31.479 but thank you until now the time and your right question. 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:34.520 At the time we was working with mister Brown, he 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.919 was in trouble with the law in and out. You know, 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.600 sometimes we didn't have a session because he was, you know, 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.120 like in jail and he let out and he was 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.800 just going through stuff, go through so much stuff that 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:49.120 sometimes that affected like him in the session and we 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.000 would just be working with him and we would start wondering, 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.400 you know, is mister Brown because he's old. That's why 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:59.479 some of the odd things, but just a lot of crazy, 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:00.599 like we're like every now is shop. 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:03.080 We used to come to the studio lot. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.680 And whenever he would come, like oh lord, because mister 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.479 Brown stopped for him for everything, no matter what song 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:13.440 was doing. Alright, Reverend's here, and Reverd would come unannounced. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.039 He never like scheduled or nothing like that. And mister 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:17.680 Brown would go talk to me. I remember mister Brown 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:21.120 was wearing some red shades, and Reverend Shopping says mister 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:23.480 Brown because he called them mister Brown. Also, mister Brown, 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:28.120 how you doing. How's everything red? I'm wearing red shades, 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:30.160 but I'm seeing blue. 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.080 You know, I'm telling you. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:39.160 One time, one time, he uh, we were taking pictures 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.400 and all the photographers taking pictures of us and mister 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.200 Brown in the studio taking pictures. 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:44.640 Snap snap, snap, snap snap. 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:46.919 Then all of a sudden, all right, it's enough pictures, 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.960 so stop the pictures. Then I of know where mister 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:55.400 Brown goes into a damn split, a hard split, so 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.160 hard that you can hear the floor and go boom, 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.200 and he just rolls up. He did it out of nowhere, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.680 and then the photographer's like, let's not put that again. 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:05.680 That again. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.000 He said, nope, you should have took the picture when 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:08.440 I did it. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:09.279 Then he just walked. 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:17.360 It was it was at one time using the studio 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.680 and he was on to the door and the door 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.160 was open, right, but he's pushing he's pushing the door 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.240 one way and he's pushing it and he's pushing the 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.760 door another way. But the door is just standing by itself. 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:34.560 This is a studio door. We're going, mister. 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:35.520 Brown is everything. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:39.760 Okay, Now I'm just showing y'all how I'm opening and 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:44.720 closing the door at the same time. Okay, okay, mister Brown, 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:51.280 I got it. It was some of those moments we 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.520 know he was going through stuff we never too We 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.360 never told it in public, a lot of things, but 0:07:57.960 --> 0:07:59.720 you know, it was crazy. I I remember when we 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.200 wanted to use Mac on the album and I said, 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.520 you to do a couple of songs, and he told us, well, 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.880 when Masio comes, I want to make sure that I'm 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.680 not here when y'all are working with him. I don't 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.960 mind him on the album, but I don't want to 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.720 be here. Yeah. 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:22.520 Yeah, So he's on, he's on keep keeping. I think 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.240 he's on. Lock him in the studio while he's still. 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.560 Yeah yeah keeping. She looks all types of good and 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:32.760 then the ballot you know. 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:37.040 Right, Wait a minute, Okay, Well one, it's not lost 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:37.360 on me. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:43.760 The the the meta, the meta levels of irony. Yes, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:50.680 I'm real, which is the fact that he is singing 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:55.880 out against the very thing that keep bringing him back. 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.840 Yo, this is a moment of mirror. You are repeating 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:03.439 your clip on an unsung I'm just saying, yes, it 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.319 was your reaction, but I love it. 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:09.400 I never got an answer to it. So it's how. 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:15.400 I mean, what did you guys explain to him that that, no, 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:18.000 you should, you should embrace this more, because you know, 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:21.840 George Clinton famously was like, hey, I'll even lower my 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:26.560 rates so you guys more of me, right, and said 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.679 his legend. But I mean, what do you what did 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.000 he think of when he first heard these tracks? Like 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:36.080 did he even comprehend that he's singing over Bobby Bird's 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.440 hot pants on cumming drums or right? 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:43.240 Well, I don't think he really comprehended that much because 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:48.680 he was actually he was actually getting paid for it. 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.280 He his only thing was, I don't I don't. I 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.600 don't got nothing against these rapists, but man, I just 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.000 I just wish I would get paid because they use them. 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:58.720 My voice isn't record and this and that and this 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.080 that and that's when we came up the song I'm real. 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.920 So it's like what people's taking from him were like 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.360 throwing it right back to him in his own songs 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.520 that we're producing with him. You know, his main thing 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:16.520 was he just felt disrespected that he hears somewhere and 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.600 he loved the rappers because remember he worked with African 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.600 Baan Bada, but he was still he was still upset 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:23.840 that he wasn't getting paid for it, and at that 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:30.000 time the sample laws was not even I think our 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.040 record kind of helped it because he was literally on 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.960 there on this video. All you copycats out there, get 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:41.800 off of my tip, because I'm James my records till 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:42.800 I'm paid in full. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.959 You know, he was, He was making a statement there, 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.600 and I remember I remember after that that the Sonic 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:53.960 came out with something about you know, James Eric Beer and. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.600 I got so and that's true, but he wasn't getting paid. 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.200 That was his music, his vocals, and I think after 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.160 I'm real then they started to get the sample lows together, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.760 not only for mister Brown but for every every other legend. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.160 I was gonna ask, did he live to see the 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.680 residuals of his the samples? I don't try and remember that. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.040 But yeah, yeah, yeah, because we did that album eighty 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:17.199 didnt eighty eight? 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:17.839 Eighty eight? 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:22.160 Yeah? Yes? So yeah, yeah, State trying to get permission 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:25.160 and paying for him to use James Brown's samples no 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.840 rapper kids do that like what they did in the past, 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:32.640 just blatantly take it. Now, when we were taking his stuff, 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.040 we was doing it with him, you know what I mean. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.480 So it's definitely a difference. And he accepted that because like, well, 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.480 at least I'm here with Jellen, we're doing it together. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.120 And he got published for all the songs I did. 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:47.720 With him, So I would assume that when you guys 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:52.640 are doing I'm Real the album, this was pre pro tools. 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.520 Yes, so from a one. 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:00.959 To ten, how I want you the word nightmarish? 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:06.480 But how much of a task is it cutting his 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:12.480 vocals and cutting just all right, ladies and gentlemen, you're 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.480 you're you're not looking at Loo's. 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:15.400 Face right now. 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.680 As I asked this question, But the way that he 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.600 closed his eyes already gave me the answer I wanted. 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.319 How much of how much of a task was it? 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:31.800 In whatever it was their copy paste culture back? How 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.960 did you get his vocals to because it felt natural? 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.320 But for me, I felt that every line I was 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:42.439 listening to was either perfectly placed or just a lot 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:47.800 of cut cut page jobs there. Okay, from one to ten, 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.520 how you don't even have to give the story from 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.000 one to ten. How hard was it in placing his 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.880 vocals and giving a complete song? 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.839 Damn, Chris, that was a good question. The way he 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:01.400 did that, that was you did that. 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:05.199 I'm giving you now a number to take you. 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:10.040 But question, you're so, you're so, you're so interesting, You're 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:14.040 so introspective with it, and it's like. 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:16.400 It was you at the studio with us. 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.160 Dude, you think I'm lying at the intro of the show, 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:23.480 I am a product. 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.160 When you're like damn, when when on your last day 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.240 on earth, you're like, damn, what is my legacy? 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.160 When you when you know something, quess Like I said, 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.200 when we was working with mister Brown, this was the 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:44.520 time when I know he was going through things. So 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.240 so in the beginning, I would say, the first session 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.040 and the first song we did was a song called 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.880 Time to Get Busy, and he was perfect on that one. Perfect. 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.960 But as the days as the as each song, it 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.720 became a little harder because she was still going through 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:04.600 his own personal stuff. So what we did, man, So 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:08.600 what we did is that with mister Brown, Time to 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.080 Get Busy, I would say, was like the kind of 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.319 the only song that he did from start to finish, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.679 and he kind of knew everything. But then as after 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.000 we was going, it was getting a little harder and 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:21.800 he was going through stuff, and we would have the 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.480 lyrics and at one time he asked us, y'all got 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.040 any cue cards? You know, cue cards? And we're like 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:32.400 cue cards. But so so what we did, and not 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.640 on every song, but just some songs, we would actually 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.120 physically be there with him, Like me, I would be 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.840 there with mister Brown and then Paul, because me and 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.880 Paul spearheaded mostly the writing of the lyrics song and 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:45.520 working with him actually in the studio. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.200 So when I did I'm. 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.240 Real my song, I'm there with mister Brown in the 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:54.040 booth with him physically mm hmmm, and we would go 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:56.640 line by line basically. 0:14:56.640 --> 0:15:02.200 God, yo, Christian McBride, if you are listening to this podcast, 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.560 we were so right. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:05.400 We called it. 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:10.200 We literally said, I bet you every line had to 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:14.560 be cut and paste because it was too perfect. And 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:19.040 I've never heard him sing structured lyrics before because a 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.960 lot of this stuff was freestyle and and that, and 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:29.840 I just never really heard him sing that structured before. 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.560 And I tried to imagine, like, well, is the lyric 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.280 sheets on the on the Nightstand. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:39.560 Is he Yo, I've been dying to know that answer 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:40.800 for thirty years. 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:41.080 Man. 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:42.840 I was about to say, was this a conversation with 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:44.000 you in Kristin in high school? 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.800 Or I'm talking to Kristen McBride right now as he 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:54.200 saw the story. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:55.200 Like, I'm sorry. 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:59.840 Wait, So then I gotta ask how did he how 0:15:59.880 --> 0:16:01.400 did he managed? 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:02.160 So? 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:07.040 Okay, So there's another thing about me more than being 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:13.800 a James Brown fan, I'm the biggest horrible James Brown 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:19.520 song fan. Like I'm I have an addiction to like 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:25.360 every album past, like Mother's Nature, to even the record 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:26.440 he did with Leaders of the New. 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:31.280 School, like everything in between that. So yeah, I can't 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:35.160 get it any harder. He tried to. He tried to 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.960 do Static Part two when Leaders in the New School 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.080 Music Factory. 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:47.640 So the thing is how to it's your money wind 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.920 up on that record because I sometimes do a horrible 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:55.560 James Brown set where it's just the songs that and 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.080 that's the thing. The greatest thing about James Brown to 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.640 me is that he was never mediocre. Like a lot 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.320 of the artists that we have disdained for, it's usually 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:10.200 because they're just mediocre. Yeah, but if they make classic ship. 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:14.040 If they make horrible ship, at least it's interesting. And 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.520 I always wanted to know. I knew y'all had nothing 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.480 to do with it's your money. Obviously he was a placeholder. 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:22.240 But how did that wind up on the record? He 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.679 just insisted, or you can need it. 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:29.080 No, here's the deal. He he he literally asked the 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:33.080 record company, and a record company said ask full force, 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.520 and what are we going to do? And he played 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:37.560 it for us and everything. 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:44.480 Oh no, listen, he played it for us, and you'll make. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:48.160 It like y'all like it doing the demohead thing. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:54.600 No, never, I never, I like, all silent looking to 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:55.000 the floor. 0:17:55.040 --> 0:18:01.680 And that's my double that's my double trouble story fante. 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:06.320 For the first time I played that ship still a premiere. 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.680 All them guys are like like what I was like, Oh, 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:10.679 this song sucks. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.640 So then oh man. 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.359 When mister Brown, we, I mean, how are we gonna say? No? 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:18.639 I mean he wanted it on there, he asked. 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:20.359 He said, man, I love it that this could be 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:20.639 on it. 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.040 Bubba, but it was the last song on the album. 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.840 I think. But you know we we said, I mean, 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.199 what come on question? You wouldn't even have said no. 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.440 To mister Brown if that's the first time you met him, 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.000 and he came to and said, I would love to 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:36.960 be on the album. Do you mind? What are you 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:37.720 gonna say? Question? 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:57.440 Wait, sut up, I was gonna say, I already know, 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:02.200 I already know it was. It was the day after 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:06.360 the album got mastered and I heard this song. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.000 I had a Rich like, yo, where the fuck does 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:08.639 this come from? 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.600 And he's like, you know, al insisted it go on 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:14.840 the record like he. 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.080 Did it with There was a quest love album with 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:23.040 Al Green called Babies Making Babies bo I'm sorry, sorry, 0:19:23.040 --> 0:19:23.560 sorry sorry. 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.399 The same thing happened to me, uh lou where with 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:31.160 Al Green I made I pulled a full force, got 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:34.280 Al Green back to his Willie Mitchell thing and the 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:39.160 last song he just you know, like my manager Rich 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.280 at the time told me, He's like, well, the way 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.520 I see it, you know, at least he did a 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:46.960 song that could fit on the end of a Tyler 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:55.600 Perry movie as the credits go up bruh. So he's like, 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:57.760 it won't be a total loss either people will just 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.640 ignore it, or at best it'll go I'm the Tyler 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.960 parent credits for the End of the Family reunion movie. 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.680 Oh my god, you just know the algree no matter what. 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.640 Wow, that that is crazy, lou. 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.480 Do you know what happened? What the status is of 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:16.320 the real rock Sanning? 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:16.840 Like what is she? 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:17.920 Yes? 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:18.960 Is yet? Yes? 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.080 Well she's she's and she's still beautiful as ever. So 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.199 it's two just two real rock Sands. The first, you know, 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.720 after the whole all the I say, I said, be, 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.040 let's do a song called the Real Rock Sandes. So 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:32.880 me and be wrote the lyrics. We got this light 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.719 skinned girl by the name of Elise Jack and she 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:37.919 did She's the one you hear on the record. But 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.760 then things didn't work out with her contractor or whatever, 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:45.320 so we got a Puerto Rican girl, the Fine and Beautiful, 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:47.600 Not that Elisee Jack is not fine and beautiful. She 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.080 was a light skinned girl, but she did the record. 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.280 More light skin for you, looking right right about. 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.399 But then we got Joey and Martinez to actually be 0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.600 the real Rock sand She was the one in the 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:03.080 video with Utfo Roxanne Roxanne and then she had records 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.080 of her own like Bangs Zoom, let's go go with 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.600 yeah in England and the UK and she has. 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.400 Y'all ever do anything with HOWI Team Maw. Speaking about 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:15.520 that record, Joan, howid T have any dealers with Yeah. 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:17.240 We worked with Howie because how he was part of 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:19.960 the real rock stand with hit Man Howie T. Howie 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.280 T co wrote Alice I Want You Just for Me 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:25.639 with us when he's the one that came up with 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.840 the drum beat, the dope drum beat and. 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:28.439 Everything like that. 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:30.840 Jerry and everybody else could get the whole track, but 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:32.520 how he came up with the drum beat, and back 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:34.600 in the day because it was nineteen eighty five, we 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:35.520 didn't know any better. 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:37.080 But I would have to. 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:42.320 Say, looking at it the way it trans transacted, he should. 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:44.080 Have been a co producer with us on that record too. 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:46.520 He was a co writer, but it should have said 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.919 produced by full Force and hit Man Howie T. Because 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:52.280 he's the one that came up with the dope drum 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:54.679 loop and everything like that. And then that song with 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.320 the syncopation in it and with the music and the 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.800 jazz kind of sound loops. You know, it was definitely 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:03.720 like some people call that the first new Jack String record, 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:07.920 but we don't. Let's go go yeah, No, Alice I 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:11.760 Want just And then we incorporated some of that with bangs. 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:13.879 Let's go go with the real rock sand. But the 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:18.200 real rock sand. Joyne Martinez, she is, she's doing she's 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:20.240 doing great, man. And she's still looking beautiful. 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:20.359 Man. 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:21.320 I send you a picture of her. 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.240 She's she's dope. She's still doing her thing. You know. 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:25.000 Wait, what's up? 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:32.159 We just recently discovered the sample that came from it. 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.040 All right, So here's the deal with with baby Let's 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.480 go go. I thought it was downright genius. I'm like, yo, 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:41.120 are they playing? Uh what do you call it? When 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:43.760 when you do a base uh jack open stories? Does 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:46.000 it h triads? Not triads? 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:47.119 But uh fretless? 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:50.479 Yeah, yeah, but it's it's the sound of of portrait 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:55.200 and tracy like when you're right right, try not harmonical 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:59.920 pisocado when you're playing harmonics on bass. And at the time, 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.399 I thought, Yo, this is some downright I never heard 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:07.720 a song just utilized bass harmonics before in this level. 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:11.080 And then it maybe like last year, a year before 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:17.240 I discovered the Pat mcthany record from which it came from. 0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:19.119 Who put that track together? 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:21.679 Be fine put that track together? 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:24.880 And what how was he doing? Listen to that? 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:31.680 Because out of Pat mcthaney's discography that album. It's so 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:36.200 weird that Pat mcthany's two biggest samples in hip hop 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:41.159 are off of records that are like it's it's almost 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:43.240 like it would be the chitlings of his career. 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:43.919 And you know, I'm not. 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:49.320 I know, opinions are subjective to like what people gravitate towards, 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:53.560 but even jazz fans like have a bracket for the 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:57.879 Pat mcthany records they listened to and along with karas 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:01.520 One sampling springs dot Here Yet for Love's Gonna Get 0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:05.359 You that particular song that you guys did, it was 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:07.560 like it was on an album that nobody would touch 0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:12.920 of his and I always wanted when we discovered that sample, 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:14.760 it was like me and a whole bunch of producers 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:18.480 wear Jazzy Jeff's house and we hear it and we 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:20.399 wanted to punch a hole in the wall because we 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:25.040 never once thought there was anything dope on that record. 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.240 What in the hell was he doing with that, with that, 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:34.240 with that album that called him like what yeah, I. 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:37.199 Mean, will all of us like be Jerry? You know 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:40.600 the music we tapped into all kinds of music. That's 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:43.440 why with full force. That's six different heads. And when 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:45.600 he came up with that, I'm like, hey, this is dope. 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:47.600 I remember you texted me about that. You know, I 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:52.280 found that used. I'm like, yeah, very obscure because we'd 0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:54.440 always look for a lot of obscure shit, even from 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:57.880 popular popular musicians too, you know what I mean, and 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:00.320 just use it, you know what I mean. And in 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:03.560 that particular song, I mean, be through the Kitchen sinking 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:08.119 that we even had bugs Buddy in there and we 0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:10.000 threw Alison there. 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.399 To go to the Oh we did everything. 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:17.600 Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah, man, we just we just 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:19.879 come up with different ship and Be came up with 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:22.320 that and we're like, yo, that's that's crazy. And it 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:25.119 was top ten joint man spent in the UK the 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.600 smash like we didn't know it's gonna be that big, 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:29.920 you know, and Joan would go and perform and plus 0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:31.840 she was great. You know, I would have to say 0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:35.199 the real rock saying Joe and Martinez had to be 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:39.280 one of the first female rappers to kind of introduce 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:44.080 femininity to the female rap game because everybody like Salt 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:46.520 and Pepper at the time, even Chante, they were wearing 0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:49.679 the big dookie chains and all of that stuff, like 0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:52.480 how to do to her? But she came in all 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:54.760 feminine and just killed it. 0:25:54.840 --> 0:26:03.800 You know, she was his always like she's light skinned 0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:04.880 and she's Hispanic. 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:06.480 Okay, and. 0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:16.160 All right, so I gotta keep on pushing because there's 0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.679 too many we gotta get to the We didn't even gott. 0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:24.000 We didn't just ask one thing for my child. 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:24.320 Question. 0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:26.240 Well, first of all, did you name Cheryl? 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:30.440 Did you how did she get her monica pepsi? 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:33.080 And she's and she's dark skinned by the. 0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:37.240 Way, listen, she's your point on the board. 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:39.480 That's the only one you got so far. But yes, 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:47.359 we had girlfriend, they had some right what happened with 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:49.600 what happened with Cheryl when we got Cheryl? Because like 0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:52.320 I tell you, me and Schell, we were friends before anything. 0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:54.800 We should to do church plays together before there was 0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:57.119 a Tyler Perry. We used to do plays and stuff 0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:58.640 like that and everything. And the first time I heard 0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:01.080 us saying, I'm like man, shes blew me away. So 0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:02.800 once we know we was going to get her a 0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:06.440 deal with us over Columbia Records, then came the name. 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:08.639 I said, Now listen, we're gonna have to name your 0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:11.520 nickname because all of our acts we got crazy names. 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.359 So we got to find a nickname for you. And 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:18.200 I said, here's the nickname. We're gonna give you, Magnolia 0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:23.800 And she said huh. I said, yep, Cheryl Magnolia. Riley 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:31.000 really satiddy. Because who have a bubbly personality, which she did. 0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:32.840 We decided to call it Pepsi. 0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:36.359 Now that idea was from our Steve Salem may he 0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.040 rest in peace. He just you know, we just saw 0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:41.720 pepsi can there and he said, well who you always 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.399 says she's got a bubbly personality, Why aren't we throwing 0:27:44.440 --> 0:27:47.359 pepsi and put two eyes at the end, call it 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:51.400 Cheryl Pepsi ymy, and I said, perfect. That goes along 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:57.080 with bull Leg lou Shy shy educated rapper Lisa, Lisa. 0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:58.440 This is funny because these are long nicknames. 0:27:58.760 --> 0:27:59.960 Yeah, we're keeping the names great. 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:06.639 You know, at any point did anyone actually approached the 0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:08.280 Pepsi company to. 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:13.639 When we tried at the time, But Pepsi wasn't like, 0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:15.240 didn't take off right away. 0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:16.480 But we tried at the time and. 0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.920 It just never happened, you know, back then. But I see, 0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:22.560 you know, but we got a number one record out 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:25.400 of it. Thanks for my child was PEPSI killed? Of course? 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:28.600 Oh my god, I told Lou. I cried on the 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:30.560 phone with Luda the other day when I really realized 0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.639 that he was responsible for that song. Because being a 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:36.440 twelve year old at night, listen to my pink Cassio, 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:39.240 I was like, no, And it's funny because I was like, 0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:40.840 I had a whole relationship with that song, and. 0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:42.040 I had no why are you laughing? 0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.360 But you wait because I thought you were about to 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:46.760 tell me being a twelve year old single mother. 0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:52.520 Well no, we stopped that before that. Well yeah, so 0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:58.280 story however, listen to that song and knowing as a 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:00.080 grown up, it's like, I don't know what why I 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:02.400 had such an affinities for that song and played it on. 0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:05.200 I didn't realize, Like when I was a kid, I didn't. 0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:06.800 I had no idea what that song was about. 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:11.040 Yeah on and yeah, yeah. 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:12.920 I was saying, my mom, I'll be ripping my mom, 0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:13.240 and she. 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:14.080 Was singing, I'm like that. 0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:19.080 But and it is ill to hear your baby mama song. 0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:23.880 Ever, she said nicely, she said, I mean, she said 0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:25.680 it was passive aggressive. 0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:32.280 Yo, did you see the video Fars Whitterker did the 0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:36.040 video and you know you see the demand running in 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:40.160 slow motion that wanted to get the hell out of there. 0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:45.640 He wanted to leave. It's crazy, that's but that song, 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:48.360 that's so much a special song because I actually wrote 0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:50.440 that song. But like I said, everything is written and 0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.840 produced by full Force, six of us, but we split 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:56.000 everything six ways and the credits as well. But when 0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:58.560 I wrote that song, I wrote it because I saw 0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:02.080 it was three things. When my was coming off the road. 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.160 My wife at the time when I was married, she 0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:07.719 had a miscarriage and man, I was just coming off 0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:09.880 the road and I went straight to the hospital after 0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:12.640 hearing it, and there she was. She looked like, you know, 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.640 she'd been through World War three. But then the following year, 0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:18.280 you know, we tried again and then we had a 0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:20.640 beautiful baby girl. And at the same time, I had 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:22.920 a friend of mine as a female who had a 0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.960 baby and then her the baby's father just kind of 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:30.040 ran away, just left advantage. 0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:31.040 And she was so heartbroken into that. 0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:33.120 And then I used to see Cheryl Pepsi right, I 0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:36.240 to see Cheryl taking care of handicapped kids because she 0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:38.800 was a nurse. When I at the time, and she 0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:40.200 was like a mother to all of them. 0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:41.600 So that's when I came up and I. 0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:44.240 Wrote thanks for my Child from scratch, and then I 0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:48.600 went to Baby Jerry and Jerry did the the track 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:51.400 to it, and I'll never forget playing it for the guys. 0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:54.680 And when it came to that chorus thanks for my child, 0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:57.520 I remember my brother Beefine just dropped his head down 0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:00.800 and went, oh, like you almost got shot. That is 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:03.520 like such emotion. I remember mixed Master to Ice from 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.880 Utfo said, Yo, lou man, you made me put some 0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:12.920 more money to my my babies from the black Yeah. 0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:15.760 And to hear a man wrote that, and it sounds 0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:17.920 is such a perspective of something that a woman would 0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:19.320 want to say and articulate. 0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:20.840 It's just it's. 0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:24.080 Fast, it's fascinating, Louke. So I just I appreciate you 0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:25.720 for that, all right. 0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:29.760 Lou yo, dog you you and you. 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.560 You took on the challenge. You tried it. You took 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.640 on the challenge in nineteen eighty eight. 0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:39.400 And this is definitely during the what's her husband's name 0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:44.360 of Jack Gordon. You you took on LaToya Jackson as 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:49.320 a client of which you know at the time. This 0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:53.600 is when Michael was making his comeback. This is when 0:31:54.000 --> 0:32:01.160 her youngest sister, Janet is, you know, making a credible moves. 0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:04.840 With with her record. Can you speak on the experience. 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:10.600 That it was producing uh LaToya Jackson's I think at 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:13.600 the time that was her third Yeah, that was her 0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:14.400 third album. 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:16.360 What what was that experience? Like? 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.920 All right, well, we were say from one to ten, 0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:29.160 how we really we really it always have to be 0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.840 interviewers like you to bring that up. We really bring 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:35.200 that up whenever we're speaking of interviews. But I gotta 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.800 say she was a sweetheart to work with. I know, 0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:41.840 but but yeh had his challenges there and Jack Gordon 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:43.400 was present like every time. 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.840 Oh, she's just much she's much talented than Janet. You know, 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.479 she's much chalented. She's definitely better than that. She can 0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:51.320 sing better too. It she danced better too, you know. 0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:53.560 That's what Jack Gordon used to tell us all the time, 0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:54.400 like all the time. 0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:58.200 And but we we worked with her. I didn't think 0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:00.320 the first single was a good way to go, called 0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:04.440 You're Gonna get rocked, and yeah, kind of had her 0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.520 out of her element, you know, pull his sleeves because 0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:08.800 Latoya's Thrown Down. 0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:10.880 I don't know, but that was Bee's idea. 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:13.440 I gotta give credit to be in fact that I 0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:15.520 would say that's the only song that Full four didn't 0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:18.160 produce that was produced solely by be Fine and written 0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:19.360 by him. I'm just kidding. 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:27.440 That was I was like, wait a minute, there's there's 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:29.160 all yours. 0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:29.120 In that song. 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:29.880 There's break. 0:33:31.360 --> 0:33:33.680 No, that's a joke, but it was okay. 0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:35.840 There was a couple of singles, like a song called 0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:36.320 You Blue. 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.400 I thought should have been the first release because Paul 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:42.400 is singing underneath her on every line and you hear 0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.640 him singing with her. But you know, it was it 0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:48.200 was a e for effort and you know, she's a sweetheart, 0:33:48.520 --> 0:33:51.240 and you know, I got nothing bad to say about her. 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:52.000 She's cool. 0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:54.400 But it had his challenges, you know what I mean. 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:57.920 Especially man, we did this ballad called I'm Not Giving 0:33:58.000 --> 0:34:03.520 Up on Love, and you know, but I purchased it. 0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:07.760 I purchased it because you know, that was. 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:08.400 A hard one to do. 0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:11.359 The ballad was really that was really hard. You're talking 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:14.120 about cutting paste. That was like another James Brown, but 0:34:14.200 --> 0:34:17.759 she wasn't James Brown. And but it was kind of 0:34:17.760 --> 0:34:19.719 hard to do that one, but some of the other 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:21.920 songs were such a wicked love was pretty good. You 0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:24.040 blew you're going to get rock. I wouldn't have came 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.120 out with that first. It felt kind of gimmicky, but 0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:28.200 you know, I did this thing. You know, it's so 0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:33.640 really good in Japan. That's that's a lot again, you know. 0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:36.600 But but she as a person, she's a sweetheart. 0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:38.200 It was so crazy. 0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:40.440 I'll never forget because. 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:42.640 That was the time she was going through stuff as 0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:46.040 well with Jack Gordon. I got a phone call at 0:34:46.120 --> 0:34:48.000 my house. I don't know how they got my number 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:52.200 to this day, but it was Catherine Jackson and Joe Jackson. 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:57.840 Wow in Brooklyn. Both of them call me in Brooklyn 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.279 on the phone and they were saying, yeah, we just 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:04.840 want to know what's your address. You know, this is 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.600 a guy Jack Gordon. You know they kidnapped our daughter 0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:12.520 and it's brainwashing her. I said, oh, really, well, they 0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:15.480 were working with her. She's not here with us in Brooklyn, 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:17.880 but we're working with her in the Manhattan studio. But 0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:19.480 I didn't give them the address because I didn't know 0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:21.320 what the hell was going on. But they kept saying 0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:24.600 that he's a Brainwasher. He's no good and you know, 0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:29.520 we don't know where our daughter's at buck It's crazy. 0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:32.200 And I remember after talking to him, I said, yeah, 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:35.400 but but she's safe and sound. We see at the studio. 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:39.399 And I remember telling Jack Gordon and LaToya I said, Yo, 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:41.839 your parents just call my house. I know, I got 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:44.960 my number. And Latoy's like, hmm, see what are they 0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:46.879 trying to do this so they won't mind their own 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:50.319 they won't mind their own business. And then Jack Gordon says, yeah, 0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:54.840 they're terrible people. They're terrible people. That's what Jack Gordon 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:55.279 would say. 0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:58.600 Yeah for him, Yeah, this is to put in perspective 0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:01.279 like this is I think. Also this is when the. 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:06.520 Boy Yeah yeah, the Playboy issue was in sort of 0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:13.480 conjunction with the release of the album. Yeah yeah, Oh god, Okay, 0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:15.000 where do we want to go? Do we want to 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:16.800 go to the movies at or do we want to go? 0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:19.120 Yeah, we gotta get movies. You got to house party. 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:22.320 We gotta tell house party, come on, we got to okay. 0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:26.799 Yeah, so can you talk about your remember you wanted a. 0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:28.600 Two part episode? 0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:34.839 No, this is it is a two party, this is it? 0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:39.120 Yeah, So can you talk about how you guys got 0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:42.320 involved with House Party and how it changed your career. 0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:47.600 Yeah, I mean we're celebrating thirty year anniversary of House Party, 0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:51.960 you know, and it was is it's great. I always 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.439 I always say it's the story of my life every 0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:56.200 time somebody wants me to say what I said in 0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:57.959 the movie, or sometimes I don't even wait for people 0:36:58.000 --> 0:36:59.400 to ask me. I just do it because I know 0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:00.520 they want me to say it. 0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:03.239 So, so, how annoying was it? 0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:05.560 How annoying was it at the time where like people 0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:08.360 would expect you come. That was almost like that was 0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:10.960 almost like your version of I'm Rick James bitch like 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:14.880 his she right right exactly. 0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:17.759 So well, it was never well, you know what, it 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:20.319 was never annoying to me at all because I created it. 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:23.320 So it was, it was, it was all good. I remember. 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.760 The only person that never liked it was Donnie Simpson. 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.520 I'll never forget him called me up, yo, man, what 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:32.600 you had to do this stupid annoying, irritating boy throughout 0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:38.040 the whole damn movie? Why why he hated it? Literally? 0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:42.680 But we got But we got the movie because Reggie Hudlin, 0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:45.160 who was the writer and director of House Party and 0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:48.920 his brother Warrington Hudland, the producer of House Party. Reggie 0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:53.759 literally wrote us as a description in the originals in 0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:57.759 his original script as a description Robert Ford Junior may 0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.239 he rest in peace because he was part of the 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.320 production team that used to do the Curtis Blow albums 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:06.080 that we was a part of. He was good friends 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.919 with Reggie, and he was written Reggie and he read 0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:11.240 a script and he said, Prince, you're reading your script 0:38:11.480 --> 0:38:14.040 and you're describing, and it described it because at the 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:16.000 time it wasn't kidding player. I think it was jazzy 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:19.480 Jeffrey Fresh Prince first. 0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:21.440 And then kidn't play. 0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:24.120 So the script just said the two individuals whatever the 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:27.480 name was said in the script it says, well, the 0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:33.160 two individuals is acostant by bullies with great physiques and 0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:41.600 droopy Jerry curls somebody like full force as a description. 0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:45.440 So Robert Ford says to Reggie, Reggie, why don't you 0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:49.279 just get full Force? And they said, yeah, you think 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:52.000 they could act act? He said, well they did cursed 0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:59.520 Groove that wasn't really acting, you know, yeah, And they said, 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.799 I said, get bookfore us. So Reggie Hudland called it. 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:06.239 My brother Paul, and he told Paul, he said, listen, man, 0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:08.799 we would love if you guys could come and maybe 0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:11.480 read for a part. I'm doing a new movie house Party. 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:13.239 You know, if you and your brothers could come. Blah 0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:16.759 blah blah blah blah. So the three of us went there. 0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:19.080 They just wanted to see if we had any chemistry. 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:21.560 And of course me and my brothers had chemistry since 0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:24.560 we were young anyway, and I remember when we did 0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:29.080 some improv. They just want to see some improv. Yeah, 0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:32.040 we did some improv amongst ourselves and we got. 0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.279 The part right then and there, you know, So we 0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:35.720 was hired to do house party. 0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:41.800 We did the table read with everybody you know, Martin Lawrence, 0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:45.000 the late Robin Harris, the late John Witherspoon, George Clinton 0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:48.200 was there. It was crazy teacher Campbell. And we're reading 0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:51.960 from the script. Now as we're reading our lines, my 0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:56.239 brother's lines, our lines is nothing like what you saw 0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.560 in the movie, like not close. So I went back 0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:03.240 to the whole tell with my brothers and I said, guys, 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:06.600 I don't I mean, we're bullies, but we're bullies with 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:10.480 with with no personality, somewhat like how you guys were 0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:12.520 in crush Proof. I don't want to do that again. 0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:18.080 So I changed one of the scenes. I said, okay, B, 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.200 because BT's name in the script was pee Wee. That 0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:24.200 was my brother be fine, I said, I'll switch let 0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:26.160 me be pee Wee. I'm smaller than you and Paul, 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:29.040 let's change up this scene right here. I think it 0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:31.080 was the lunch Proof scene. One of the scenes, but 0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:34.319 I changed it up. I came up with and I'm 0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.319 going to talk like this about the whole movie. And 0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:38.600 my brother B is like, what fuck you gonna talk 0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:41.200 like that? I'm just not talking like that, you know, 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:43.640 sort of a and this is before Erkle and all 0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:46.520 of that stuff. But my reasoning for talking like that, 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:48.239 And then I said, I wanted to come up with 0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:51.239 like some type of catchphrase, and that's when I came 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:55.839 up with I'm gonna take you're freaking out kick like that. 0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:58.879 And then I also came up with the catch trase 0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:05.000 I smell ice. So those two I came up with. 0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:09.400 And what happened is that we went to our trailer 0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:12.400 and we went to perform it in front of Reggie 0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:14.439 and Warrington, hoping they would do it. I said, listen, 0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:16.719 if they don't, they don't want it, then we'll go 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:18.680 back to the regular way on the script. But if 0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:21.319 they like it, then it's good. After they saw us 0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:24.040 do all of those antics and the voice change and 0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:26.120 the kick your fucking ass and I smuggling and all 0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:31.080 of that, Warranton Huddling pointed and said keep it. And 0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:35.600 when they said keep it, we changed. We changed every 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:39.480 scene lines that was in that movie. So everything you 0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:42.600 see on in the house party is created by me 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:45.760 and my brothers, you know, our part. And then everybody 0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:48.279 else in the cast started making up stuff to I 0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:51.319 remember kids saying, they started finding out me. I'm making 0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:53.239 up all that shit. And the kids said, yore Lou, 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:54.920 how about if we did stuffing like this. You come 0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:57.200 to the door and you say, I smell pussy, and 0:41:57.239 --> 0:41:59.520 then we go, yeah, we went smell pussy to approach 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:04.839 of dicks. That's funny, me kid, do that. I think 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.160 Reggie will like that. In fact, don't tell first, let's 0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:09.759 just do it, and we did. Reggie loved it, you know, 0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:13.120 and even Teacher and AJ. There was no dance battle 0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:17.759 in that script, you know, the AJ did the choreography 0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:20.080 for her and Tisha. They kind of came up with 0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:23.520 that whole idea of a dance battle, and they did 0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:26.120 it for Reggie and Warrington because after we was making 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:28.279 up our ship, then everybody else was making up ship. 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:31.440 The only one that didn't have to stick to the 0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:33.880 script and nothing like that was Robin Harris. He just 0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:38.080 did his thing everything on that party and we did 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:41.560 that and we never knew that it would become the 0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:45.080 classic that it that it has become, because it still 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:48.200 plays good today when you watch it, you know, and 0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:51.680 it was just amazing. And not only that, but also 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:54.880 to have our song and my type of hype to 0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:58.319 be the main song is because of House Party, and 0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:00.880 my type of hype is our most popular the you know, 0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:06.640 full fourth song ever, you know, it went gold because 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:09.000 of House Party And can I. 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:10.200 Ask a question about that song? 0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:11.040 Mm hmm. 0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:14.680 Do you guys use the same consistent engineer for all 0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:17.400 your albums up to this point we're using as the 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:18.560 same engineer. 0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:22.479 Well one and well we used three different engineers, Quest 0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:26.359 Left and all the UTFO stuff. Glenn Roses did the 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:32.320 first release a Lisa album, and then Tony Maserati he 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.960 did everything after that. And here's the thing, Tony Maserati 0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:39.600 was an assistant engineer Sigma Sounds. He was in New 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:42.560 York City. He was an assistant. He was an assistant 0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:44.800 for Glenn. But we love Tony. 0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:45.960 We love Tony. 0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:49.080 So Glenn decides that he's going to go on vacation, 0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:52.120 even though we had sessions to do, and he felt 0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:54.720 that when he went on vacation, we was gonna stop ship. 0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:59.000 But we said, you know what, let's try Tony. You know, 0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:01.640 Tony's just an assistant. So we went to Sigma So 0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:05.440 I said, Tony, like you do some us. The first 0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:09.080 thing Tony did with us was was James fucking Brown 0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:12.360 and let me tell you something, mister my bet. That 0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:13.200 was the first thing he did. 0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:15.080 Was because we were doing that, Glenn thought we were 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:17.120 wait for him. We inserted Tony. 0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:19.560 Even the manager of Sigma Soule said, listen, we can 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:23.040 give you guys a head enginet because Tony's just an assistant. 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:25.600 But we had confidence in Tony and we still keep 0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:27.560 in contact with Tony. He was talking, we were talking 0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:30.000 on the text thread like just a couple of weeks ago. 0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:32.799 He had a new baby, baby boy and everything, and 0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:36.520 we inserted him as the head enginere and we never 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:39.000 looked back. We used Tony for everything. Ain't by type 0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:42.080 of hype as Tony James Brown. And I'll never forget 0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:46.200 when we're in the studio, mister Brown. But you know 0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:49.120 we said, we said. I was there with mister Brown, 0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:52.000 and I said, all right, played play that vocal back, 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:57.000 Tony that mister Brown just did. And Tony's like, uh, 0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:00.680 I just I just rased it. I raised it by accident, 0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:06.640 and and I said, and then mister Brown like stopped everything. 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:11.879 So mister Brown said, uh, what's your name? He said, 0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:17.520 my name is Tony Maserati. Where are you from? I'm 0:45:17.560 --> 0:45:21.120 from Boston, sir? No, no, no, no, where are you from? 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:28.520 I'm from Boston. No, No, where are you from? And 0:45:28.600 --> 0:45:31.520 Tony said his hands was all sweaty and he was nervous, 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:34.320 and mister Brown just kept asking where are you from? 0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:36.480 So from that whole session, I said, oh, Tony, we're 0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:38.719 going to do this vocal again, and we just had 0:45:38.719 --> 0:45:42.400 mister brownside did the vocal again. But all throughout that session, 0:45:42.400 --> 0:45:46.080 mister Brown kept saying that Tony Maserati, where are you from? 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:54.320 And you go up to Tony, where are you from? Exactly? 0:45:56.520 --> 0:46:00.959 But he's a great he went on, I mean, forget it, Tony. 0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:03.120 He did Crazy in Love, He did. 0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:06.840 Everybody and he's still doing it. So we's so proud 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:08.319 of him. But that was the guy. 0:46:08.360 --> 0:46:10.719 And he used to do the editing with the rais 0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:16.120 of blade and cutting the tape something. Yeah, he was 0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:18.600 a master at that too. I'm like, man, how could 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:21.200 people do that and and the edit be good? 0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:22.719 But Tony was so dope at it? 0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:22.960 You know? 0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:25.120 But times have change, haven't they. 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:30.320 I was, Yeah, I was asking because sonically, like between 0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:34.120 even now, like when I spend Alice or any any 0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:38.680 of your any full four songs, just the son there's 0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:41.600 a sonic difference, and ain't my type of hype that's 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:43.920 way different than your other records. And always wanted to 0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:47.160 know if you used someone different that you weren't using 0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:52.400 between eighty five eighty six like earlier Full Force and Okay, 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:56.400 you gave Tony his start, Yeah, yes he did. 0:46:56.320 --> 0:47:00.200 And he and he he always gives us props, you know. Yeah, 0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:02.240 game Star, did. 0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:05.480 You ever have because of the door that you opened 0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:11.400 with comedic acting for House Party, did it ever cross 0:47:11.400 --> 0:47:15.640 your mind that you could possibly be the. 0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:17.080 Black male blank if you will. 0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:19.560 On the voice over too. 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:23.000 Yeah, yeah, man, I mean I do all kind of 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:25.799 crazy voices, and you know, I do a lot of 0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:30.320 imitation voice, but I never pursued it. I remember Dawn Lewis, actress, 0:47:30.360 --> 0:47:32.799 Dawn Lewis a good friend of mine. She's she's a 0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:36.120 massiveat voice characterization. She could sound like a Jewish old 0:47:36.160 --> 0:47:38.400 man and she's crazy. She always told me that I 0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:40.400 should get into that, but I just never did. But 0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:42.799 if I did, I know i'd beat dope at it. 0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:44.120 You know, got a million voices. 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:45.919 I was about to ask you how many characters, because 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:48.840 sometimes when we've talked, I get I get a whole 0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:55.120 female that is not even overdone, just literally some. 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:56.120 Chick that I just don't know. 0:47:56.320 --> 0:47:59.400 Yes, ma'am, So how many characters are in your head? 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:01.480 You have kind of. 0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:05.799 No, no, no, no, I mean no, because I know he 0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:08.359 has characters. I feel like this woman, whoever this woman 0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:11.200 is that calls me sometimes, she's somebody she has. 0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:13.560 A name that calls you. 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:16.359 It's a woman that calls me sometimes and. 0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:19.440 Yeah, and she thinks it's you calling as a character. 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:23.080 I think I've discussed before that you have. 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:27.040 Yeah, it's a woman a mirror, it is a woman. 0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:30.040 It is a it might be a white woman. I'm 0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:33.680 trying to tell you woman. She definitely likes. 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:37.640 So you guys are practical jokers, I assume, yeah. 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:39.759 Yeah, I'm a big I'm a big prankster. I'm such 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:43.880 a big kid, even to this day. I got exploding pens. 0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:48.960 I got oh she like like when we worked with Rihanna. 0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:52.319 Rihanna was seventeen going on eighteen at the time, and 0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:54.680 I remember coming out into the studio with an apron 0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:57.200 it said mouchoke And I'm like, yeah, I got a 0:48:57.239 --> 0:49:00.680 new vegetarian restaurant, you know, and we have you know, 0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:04.439 vegetarian sausages and everything like that, and she said really yeah, 0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:06.840 And then I lift up the apron and there's like, 0:49:06.880 --> 0:49:10.360 you know, a bildo hack behind there's a joker. She's laughing. 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:15.040 She's crack of the hilly one. You miss it out. 0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:22.880 And I got stickers, crazy stickers. 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:24.719 I'm so immature, the stickers. 0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:27.080 I remember putting a sticker on Eddie Murphy's back that 0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:30.680 said stand back, I just parted and Bullleg and lo 0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.160 is my hero ro bow Leg Loose for president and 0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:36.960 on everybody's back Russell Simmons, it's just ridiculous, and Gerald Lebert, 0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:40.520 may you rest in peace. He said, Yo, don't touch me, 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:44.759 don't even hug me, you know. But then he came 0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:46.320 back and he did Jerl. 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:48.320 Lebert stickers himself are so funny. 0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:50.360 So I'm a big kid for sure. Frankster. 0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:52.920 You answer her question, how many characters you got? 0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:53.640 Man? 0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:56.160 I got a bunch of different voices. Man, you know 0:49:57.040 --> 0:50:01.240 the fake girl's voice and you know cartoon voice. And 0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:03.680 I did this movie called Who's the Man? And I was. 0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:08.000 Talking like, yes, motherfucker, please, motherfucker please you. 0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:13.480 Now you used to try to do like Imprescious. I 0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:15.440 don't know if you remember the late great comedian. He 0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:19.880 used to be in Hollywood to try to do Paul Lynn. 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:24.360 You know, crazy? 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:26.320 Did I just revealed my age? 0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:28.960 Like no, no, no, I just forgot. He was in 0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:29.920 a square, That's all right. 0:50:30.440 --> 0:50:32.600 You were in weren't you in Definite Temptation? 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:33.000 As well? 0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:33.359 Were you? 0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:37.879 Were you you in Deaf Temptation? We were singing what 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:39.319 movie you was in? Some of you were in? 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:42.239 You were singing, Yeah, yeah, who's the Man? 0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:44.239 I sang in that. I sang in the church, in 0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:44.840 the church. 0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:46.600 Okay, who's the Man? I'm tripping the. 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:50.440 Barber killer sang precious Lord, Oh, precious Lord. And it 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:52.200 was supposed to be Mary J Bli was doing it, 0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:55.000 but she wasn't gonna She didn't she wasn't going to 0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.279 do it for some reason. And I remember the late 0:50:57.320 --> 0:51:01.160 great Bernie Mack and Bill Bellam coming into my trailer 0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:03.759 and they said, you'll do man, Mary J. Blige is 0:51:03.760 --> 0:51:05.200 not going to sing it. Man, I think it'd be dee. 0:51:05.239 --> 0:51:07.359 But if you sang it in the church, I mean, 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:10.280 even though you're having to character forty and they wouldn't 0:51:10.280 --> 0:51:12.520 be expecting it. And that's how I got to sing 0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:15.200 Precious Lord, you know. For the next day, I went 0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:17.719 in the studio, knocked it out and sang it. 0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:20.360 I was wanting to ask you, lou, what was the 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:21.680 significance of your braid? 0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:21.920 Man? 0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:24.479 I always like that, Yeah, what's the significance of that? 0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:25.520 Well, here's the deal. 0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:28.800 It's no fucking significant watch or whatever. 0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:34.439 And I don't and I gotta listen. I gotta cut 0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:37.160 this ship off. Sometimes. My daughter was born and she 0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:39.280 just know me always wearing this damn braid? 0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:40.359 Is that your hair? 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:40.759 And their? 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:42.319 Is that your hair? My hair? 0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:43.400 Because that's a bee. 0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:46.320 That's a whole. And when we had Jerry Curls, I 0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:48.520 would we'd have like a little braid and I put 0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:51.920 the bead through here and I've had it since since 0:51:51.960 --> 0:51:53.480 we first came out as full. 0:51:53.760 --> 0:51:57.719 Yes, that's the trademark. That's a superpower. 0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:01.399 I'm always in the movie and I remember when when 0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:03.880 do wims? When when do you wims? Used to see me. 0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:06.800 He's like, when are you gonna cut that ship off? 0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:13.799 So this is so ages, Manna, We're gonna be done 0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:14.560 with that ship. 0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:17.000 And I'm like, you know, one day I'm gonna cut 0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:19.360 it off. I thought I had a name for it. 0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:20.359 I really didn't know why. 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:21.640 I don't know why I keep hanging. 0:52:21.680 --> 0:52:24.600 I remember Anthony Anderson one time I presented him with 0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:26.520 the woods somewhere and he says, Yo, man, I love 0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:31.120 this brother, but as anybody ever wanted, why the hell 0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:35.120 he wears this damn bead? And watch her? What's what's 0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:37.200 going on with that? And then you know, I showed 0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:39.600 the bead and he goes, oh, you got a nappy patch? 0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:49.600 So what the world isn't now? Actually it's hit me 0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:54.000 right now, obviously, louse. That is your voice at the 0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:55.279 very end of Leader of the Pack. 0:52:55.960 --> 0:52:56.560 Yeah, that's me. 0:52:57.560 --> 0:53:00.280 You know. It's where DJ's. 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:04.680 Were by not even doubles, but quadruples of that particular 0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:08.240 twelve minch. You want to know why, right when Philly, 0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:11.879 because everything that Jazzy Jeff would do, everybody would follow 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:16.680 and suits also DJ cash money, But Jazzy Jeff developed 0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:22.759 like a bird chirping scratch, and cats would buy the 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:27.480 Leader of the pat Utfo twelve inch just for whatever 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:32.400 that beak is right before you say, Wow, I'm sorry 0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:35.719 for that, but that one, like Philadelphia, just has a 0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:39.840 very different relationship with that twelve inch only because that 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:44.000 was the perfect sound to start doing the chirping bird scratch, 0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:47.000 you know at the time when Jeff was innovating like 0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:49.360 the Transformer scratch and all these type. 0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:51.160 Yeah, right, but the. 0:53:51.160 --> 0:53:54.279 Chirping scratch, that was the record that you would have 0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:58.200 to play just for that one before you start doing 0:53:58.239 --> 0:54:00.279 your your female operator boys. 0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:03.800 I'm sorry, right exactly exactly. 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:07.480 All right, we got to get into the wow at 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:11.200 the time, at the time I was living when when 0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:13.600 the Roots lived in London. 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:17.600 That's you know a lot of people don't know that 0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:21.000 both Backstreet boys like basically what I call the Disney 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:27.759 Orlando set up, Britney, Backstreet, anybody associated with Disney that 0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:32.960 during that time period, they all kind of got their 0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:39.799 traction in Europe first before TRL really started playing them regularly. 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:43.640 So how did how did you guys even wind up 0:54:43.719 --> 0:54:47.400 being the producers of a lot of these acts that 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:54.000 wound up selling diamond, like Backstreet Boys and syncing Brittany 0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:54.680 all these acts. 0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:56.319 How did you guys wind up doing that? 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:59.879 Well? What happens that I had a meeting with Barry White, 0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:03.279 who was the president of Jive Records at the time, 0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:07.160 and and and remember there's six people in full force, 0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:11.600 and we split this way. I mean, not everybody wanted 0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:14.320 it that way with the majority rule. It was my 0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:17.520 idea that But then after a while, you know, it's like, damn, 0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:19.200 we need to We've been doing a lot of R 0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:21.279 and B and we the Samantha box of course, But 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:24.680 I man, man, I think if we if I went 0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:26.239 to Barry, I said, you, Barry Man, you got some 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:28.920 white people that we could produce, you know what I mean, 0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:31.200 because we know it might go a long way. The 0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:34.279 way Job Records was handling stuff, it got might go 0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:36.840 a long way. To add to our you know, situation 0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:38.280 with doing a lot of R and B and stuff. 0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:40.680 So he said, and you know what we got these 0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:44.560 young guys did They huge overseas. They're not known yet 0:55:44.560 --> 0:55:46.640 in the United States, but they might be good for 0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:49.760 you to work with. And he showed me this video 0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:51.919 called quit playing Games with My Heart by the fact 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:57.920 that's okay, And I took that video back to the guys. 0:55:58.080 --> 0:55:58.719 I played it. 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:02.040 I played it in in the studio and I said, guys, 0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:03.839 we gotta get on this project. You know, they're not 0:56:03.880 --> 0:56:06.280 knowing in the United States, but they're big, big, huge 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:11.839 overseas and I'll never forget it. After they we saw 0:56:11.880 --> 0:56:16.360 the video again, Baby, Jerry just came up to me 0:56:16.400 --> 0:56:19.320 and he said, yo, lou man, I got a song 0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:23.320 that I've been toying around with. And then Jerry started 0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:26.960 singing me the hook but my love is oh I 0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:31.439 have to kids, what thought you? I don't, thank God, 0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:36.759 can believe. And I looked at Jerry. I kissed him 0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:39.600 on the cheek. He's my cousin, and I said, Jerry, 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:46.920 that is a fucking smash And man, I took that 0:56:47.080 --> 0:56:51.560 song into Job Records and they went crazy for it 0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:54.319 so much so so much so that said, we're gonna 0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:56.719 fly you guys out to Orlando. You're gonna record that 0:56:56.800 --> 0:57:00.440 song with the Backstreet Boys. This is incredible And that 0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:04.200 was the start actually of us doing you know, the 0:57:04.200 --> 0:57:08.319 boy bands and Brittany and Justin Timberlake and LFO, some 0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:10.279 of those people's passed away from made the rest of peace. 0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:15.040 And I'll never forget flying out to Orlando and there 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:17.320 he was with the Battre Boys. Now, we was instructed 0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:20.400 to have the youngest member, Nick Carter, sing the lead 0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:20.919 of the whole. 0:57:21.240 --> 0:57:24.800 I was going to ask, how did how we wind 0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:26.920 up singing? And I'm a shame that I know that, 0:57:26.960 --> 0:57:30.680 but yes, I'm a music ed how wee wind up 0:57:30.680 --> 0:57:34.320 singing that join? Because that's I didn't Tito or Marlin 0:57:34.400 --> 0:57:38.800 to sing. And it's like, wow, I'm. 0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:42.160 Sorry, way wrong, But you know, well, okay. 0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:44.120 If you're seeing the Jackson's, I think they would expect 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:47.320 you would expect Michael. No no, no, no, no, no, no 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:50.400 disrespect because I know those guys. I'm just saying that 0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:54.240 if you have a Jackson's, you're expecting Michael maybe Jermaine 0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:58.760 to sing. And Howie wasn't the. 0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:00.520 Go to singer. So how did that happened? 0:58:01.360 --> 0:58:04.320 Wow, that's crazy quest. Well, the thing about it is this, 0:58:05.240 --> 0:58:07.320 when they told us they wanted Nick Carter to sing 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:09.920 the whole song, I already had in my mind that 0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:13.560 I was gonna they was going to supervise me in Orlando. 0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:17.600 So I arranged with the vocals who would sing Watt 0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:20.200 and Wear. I said, Okay, they're talking about Nick because 0:58:20.240 --> 0:58:21.280 all the women love Nick. 0:58:21.400 --> 0:58:25.760 The girls love Nick. Like Clive Cole, who owned Jive Records. 0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:28.720 He was like, Nick, do it because Nick, Nick is 0:58:28.920 --> 0:58:35.360 all the women Nick the good Nick do the song. 0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:37.560 Let him do theod song. I said, okay, no problem, 0:58:37.640 --> 0:58:39.400 let Nick do the old song. But what we what 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:42.200 I ended up doing. I said, okay, listen, in my mind, 0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:44.240 I'm saying I want Nick to open up just to 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:45.280 satisfy the company. 0:58:46.240 --> 0:58:46.560 Okay. 0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:49.760 Then I saw Brian Littell sang as well. I knew 0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:53.040 AJ was AJ was like the soul soul guy singing, 0:58:53.440 --> 0:58:56.240 but I noticed Nick never. I noticed how we never 0:58:56.320 --> 0:59:00.640 sung anything. And because of my love for the tempations, 0:59:01.920 --> 0:59:05.840 that was my inspiration to have them sing it in parts, 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:09.040 even though the record company didn't want it. And I said, 0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:11.640 I said, to Brian. Trust it, Brian, So, Howie, I 0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:12.960 know he doesn't sing anything. 0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:13.800 He doesn't lead singing. 0:59:13.800 --> 0:59:16.440 He's oh no, no, no, he's just background. He doesn't do anything. 0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:18.480 He's just a background guy. He just does background. I said, 0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:20.840 he got the high voice, but just background, just background, 0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:22.040 I said, I said, okay. 0:59:22.240 --> 0:59:23.480 Then I pulled Howie to the side. 0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:25.720 I said, you're how we I know you don't sing 0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:28.439 any leads. Is there a reason why you singing leads 0:59:28.440 --> 0:59:31.040 in any of the songs? I don't know. I don't 0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:33.440 know why. I said no, I said, sing something for me, 0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:35.480 and he sang a little something for me, and I 0:59:35.560 --> 0:59:38.240 just wanted him to do a lead vocal, which was 0:59:38.480 --> 0:59:41.360 the first lead vocal he ever had in his life 0:59:41.400 --> 0:59:44.400 with the Backron Boys, and I gave I said, well listen, 0:59:44.480 --> 0:59:47.320 you're going to open up the second verse of it. 0:59:47.560 --> 0:59:50.960 And I'll never forget when we were reporting Howie AJ 0:59:51.160 --> 0:59:53.720 came in there and he's like, whoa, Howie, me here? 0:59:53.800 --> 0:59:56.400 How we doing the lead? And then he said, wow, 0:59:56.440 --> 1:00:00.240 how you got a personality now, And it just made 1:00:00.280 --> 1:00:02.960 me feel good to have how he just sing a 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:06.560 part of the song. And if you look at that 1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:09.520 video and you hear the song. All of them have parts. 1:00:09.560 --> 1:00:12.720 Now Kevin he does the bass and I'll sing it 1:00:12.760 --> 1:00:15.320 to you. He does on the album version where they 1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:17.720 do the tongue twist of harmony parts that my brother 1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:21.240 Paul made up. And that's how how he got to 1:00:21.280 --> 1:00:23.320 sing that. And I'll never forget how he was so 1:00:23.440 --> 1:00:26.400 indebted to me. Still to this day he gives me props. 1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:29.360 And he brought me to his house for dinner. After dinner, 1:00:29.400 --> 1:00:31.920 I said, hey, Howey, I said, just in front of 1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:35.160 his parents and everybody, I said, am I the first 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:40.680 black guy ever to eat here? He said, yeah, yeah, 1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:46.440 you are who. Years later after that, when I went 1:00:46.480 --> 1:00:49.240 to his wedding, I got up and I sang for 1:00:49.320 --> 1:00:51.360 him and his bride at the wedding, and then I 1:00:51.400 --> 1:00:53.400 did a poem and I said, yeah, you know what 1:00:53.600 --> 1:00:55.440 I'll never forget when I got Howie to do his part, 1:00:55.480 --> 1:00:57.600 and I went to dinner and I said, am I 1:00:57.640 --> 1:00:59.560 the only and I and I was the only black 1:00:59.560 --> 1:01:02.440 guy ever comes house? And I was like, look around, 1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:05.439 I'm the only black person here at this wedding, So how. 1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:09.720 We keep no? 1:01:09.720 --> 1:01:10.760 No? 1:01:09.920 --> 1:01:12.520 But that's not how we got to singing, you know. 1:01:12.600 --> 1:01:14.520 And I love how he's a good guy with a 1:01:14.560 --> 1:01:17.320 good heart, and you know they let him sing other 1:01:17.400 --> 1:01:18.040 songs after that. 1:01:18.080 --> 1:01:22.960 Hey, when when you guys get your clients. For instance, 1:01:23.000 --> 1:01:27.200 when when Jimmy Jim did the show, they spent about 1:01:27.200 --> 1:01:29.960 two weeks with Janet Jackson before they even stepped in 1:01:29.960 --> 1:01:33.760 the studio, which you know, fourteen days is a long 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:35.760 time when you're on a budget to just be hanging 1:01:35.760 --> 1:01:40.600 with someone. How long do you have to have personal 1:01:40.680 --> 1:01:44.640 time with your client before you decide. 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:46.920 This this this is a song I have for you? 1:01:47.880 --> 1:01:48.520 Or were you. 1:01:48.480 --> 1:01:51.440 Guys just making I mean, you know, now we have 1:01:51.520 --> 1:01:53.080 like beat tape makers. All right, let me hear your 1:01:53.080 --> 1:01:55.280 beat tape and I'll decide what I want. Are you 1:01:55.320 --> 1:01:57.960 guys crafting these songs after you meet them or do 1:01:58.000 --> 1:01:59.960 you have them ahead of time? 1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:03.680 Yeah, we kind of craft them actually before we meet 1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:06.600 them kind of, and then and then afterwards we would 1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:10.520 do some songs, like when we worked with Jasmine Guy, 1:02:10.600 --> 1:02:13.760 who I love She's a sweetheart. Still when we worked 1:02:13.760 --> 1:02:16.120 with her, I remember we did a song called Johnny 1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:18.560 Come Lately for the album, which we crafted for her. 1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:21.520 But then during the album process, then we came up 1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:24.440 with you know, her her big hit, which was try Me, 1:02:24.880 --> 1:02:27.840 and we came up with that for her, specifically for 1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:31.280 her after meeting her and and vibing with her. So 1:02:31.640 --> 1:02:32.880 sometimes it's different. You know. 1:02:32.960 --> 1:02:36.520 The Weather Girls, we knew their history and we did 1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:39.240 three songs with them, and we just did it to 1:02:39.360 --> 1:02:43.680 fit their vocals, like Martha, Martha Wash and Isorah Armstead 1:02:43.720 --> 1:02:45.480 Make she rest in peace, you know. 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:48.800 And that's how we would do it with the different artists, 1:02:48.920 --> 1:02:49.840 different people. I remember. 1:02:50.120 --> 1:02:52.000 I remember I wrote a song called. 1:02:54.200 --> 1:02:57.680 Love Love, what is it? Love my weight and lo 1:02:57.680 --> 1:03:00.680 love my weight in love or something like that. But 1:03:00.720 --> 1:03:03.479 it was a positive song. And I remember Martha's like, nah, 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:06.080 I'm not doing that. No, we already did this Rain 1:03:06.160 --> 1:03:08.280 and Man and two tons of Fun, and no, I'm 1:03:08.280 --> 1:03:09.080 not gonna do that song. 1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:11.960 But once she heard it out, so I'll do it. 1:03:12.000 --> 1:03:14.840 But it was a positive, upbeat song. But we don't 1:03:14.880 --> 1:03:16.760 I don't think we've ever spent like two weeks. I 1:03:16.800 --> 1:03:18.440 remember when we was with Brittany. 1:03:18.480 --> 1:03:20.960 We was in there for about a good while just 1:03:21.040 --> 1:03:23.720 phoning in her vocals and everything, so much so that 1:03:23.760 --> 1:03:25.800 one of her earliest recordings we did with her is 1:03:25.800 --> 1:03:27.280 called Love That heard away. 1:03:27.440 --> 1:03:28.080 You could you could. 1:03:28.160 --> 1:03:31.160 You could go right to YouTube and hear it. It's 1:03:31.200 --> 1:03:37.240 definitely the best ever Britney vocals you ever want to hear, 1:03:37.440 --> 1:03:40.800 like ever compared to all the stuff she did after it, 1:03:41.120 --> 1:03:43.880 because I know, I always give my brother Paul prompts. 1:03:44.160 --> 1:03:47.800 He's like one of the best vocal producers I've ever seen. 1:03:48.000 --> 1:03:52.360 How he could transform somebody's vocals and just have them 1:03:52.360 --> 1:03:54.400 doing their thing, you know. And he's like such a 1:03:54.400 --> 1:03:57.400 stickler for the background, just like my father was. You know, 1:03:57.400 --> 1:03:59.439 when we worked with Patti LaBelle, I remember Patty LaBelle 1:03:59.520 --> 1:04:04.080 hit an off note and Paul stopped it and Paul said, 1:04:04.560 --> 1:04:07.080 your Patty, you just there's an off note right there. 1:04:07.200 --> 1:04:09.760 So we got to fix that. And we're like, oh, 1:04:09.760 --> 1:04:10.680 ship just. 1:04:11.360 --> 1:04:14.800 Steal it right, what the hell? 1:04:15.160 --> 1:04:17.160 And he said and she goes, no, no, that was off, 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:19.920 that was off. No, No, let me played back. It's 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:22.520 just a little on the bend. She says, what bend. 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:29.000 We played it back and she said, oh, yeah, you're right, 1:04:29.200 --> 1:04:30.240 just a little a little off. 1:04:30.280 --> 1:04:34.160 You're right, You're right, Okay, go ahead, y'all got lucky. 1:04:35.720 --> 1:04:37.720 That could have went a whole other way. Hey, we 1:04:37.720 --> 1:04:38.240 were lucky. 1:04:38.720 --> 1:04:41.680 What is the divisional label of the six of you 1:04:41.720 --> 1:04:45.720 as far as all right, So say if say, if 1:04:45.920 --> 1:04:50.080 sh Shire or Baby Jerry writes a song by themselves, 1:04:50.120 --> 1:04:52.880 is it already agreed upon that the sixth of. 1:04:52.840 --> 1:04:53.480 You wrote it? 1:04:54.080 --> 1:04:58.200 Or you know, or do you guys just say okay, 1:04:58.240 --> 1:05:00.960 well you did this one by yourself, so you get 1:05:01.040 --> 1:05:04.800 on da da da da da da da, or you know, 1:05:05.040 --> 1:05:07.360 how how is it? How does it work in the studio? 1:05:07.480 --> 1:05:11.240 Like does designated people do the music? This designated person 1:05:11.360 --> 1:05:14.720 there for the engineering, this designated person do the vocals? 1:05:15.880 --> 1:05:18.240 Like how do you guys divide the work amongst each other? 1:05:18.760 --> 1:05:21.480 Yeah, it's a it's a different vibe like Samantha Fox. 1:05:21.560 --> 1:05:24.680 Mostly that's like a me and Jerry thing. Sometimes it 1:05:24.880 --> 1:05:26.800 just be me and Jerry in the studio with crazy 1:05:26.840 --> 1:05:30.000 Samantha Fox, who's who's always beautiful to work with. But 1:05:30.840 --> 1:05:32.760 it would be me and Jerry. And then say, like 1:05:33.160 --> 1:05:37.960 if the person writes the song, that's who's spearheading the session. 1:05:38.080 --> 1:05:40.240 Like B did I wonder if I take you Home? 1:05:40.680 --> 1:05:43.200 Kurt would help in with some of the music things, 1:05:43.960 --> 1:05:47.320 and B wrote the lyrics, but then you know, I'd 1:05:47.360 --> 1:05:50.200 make out some vocal licks like take me take me, 1:05:50.760 --> 1:05:54.400 take me home, and you know, and thanks to my child, 1:05:54.480 --> 1:05:57.320 basically just did it byself. So we kind of give 1:05:57.360 --> 1:05:59.760 each other our own space. Jerry came up with all 1:05:59.800 --> 1:06:02.520 I have to give, but I'm I arranged who would 1:06:02.560 --> 1:06:06.600 sing what, but then would vocal produce the vocals and 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:09.320 Jerry would help them there also Jerry, me and Kurt 1:06:09.320 --> 1:06:12.480 did I'm real. Kurt presided over the whole track and 1:06:12.520 --> 1:06:13.320 everything like that. 1:06:13.800 --> 1:06:15.600 So everybody has their. 1:06:15.440 --> 1:06:18.920 Own thing and it would always still say written and 1:06:18.920 --> 1:06:22.600 produced by full force. And yes, we split everything no 1:06:22.640 --> 1:06:25.160 matter who did what six ways. 1:06:25.640 --> 1:06:28.640 So how do you, guys, what happens if you're in 1:06:28.640 --> 1:06:34.520 a situation where it might be territorial, where if you 1:06:34.560 --> 1:06:37.280 write a particular song and you hear it a certain way, 1:06:37.760 --> 1:06:38.240 and then. 1:06:38.200 --> 1:06:40.000 Kurt says, hell, I got a idea for that. 1:06:41.400 --> 1:06:43.320 Do you let people at least audition and the idea 1:06:43.520 --> 1:06:46.280 and if it does work, you keep it. If it 1:06:46.320 --> 1:06:51.160 doesn't work without a doubt, And how do y'all handle disagreements? 1:06:52.240 --> 1:06:54.800 That's how we are. So if we disagree on something 1:06:55.040 --> 1:06:57.240 the person who wrote the song, then we would just 1:06:57.280 --> 1:06:59.840 bend to them and just say all right, all right, 1:06:59.880 --> 1:07:00.440 no problem. 1:07:00.600 --> 1:07:01.520 But a lot of times. 1:07:01.520 --> 1:07:04.120 Everybody's open to add their own ideas, even of the 1:07:04.240 --> 1:07:06.760 song that I might wrote, and you know, no, no, 1:07:06.920 --> 1:07:08.919 that's kind of corny. Lude no, no, no, no, let's 1:07:08.960 --> 1:07:11.880 do this. Like I wrote all of my Mind for 1:07:12.000 --> 1:07:14.280 Full Force, which was a top ten song for us, 1:07:14.440 --> 1:07:17.000 and it was a slow song, All of my Mind talking. 1:07:16.760 --> 1:07:21.160 About very mean song, right, that was one of the 1:07:21.320 --> 1:07:23.200 meanest because. 1:07:29.240 --> 1:07:33.600 The pity Yeah y'all, y'all. 1:07:35.080 --> 1:07:39.760 Even Love Us for Suckers to a cold boy out. 1:07:41.920 --> 1:07:44.959 Because women, you know, women dog us all the time 1:07:45.040 --> 1:07:47.960 in songs, so we got to show that women could 1:07:48.000 --> 1:07:50.680 break our hearts too, you know. So all of my Mind, 1:07:51.280 --> 1:07:54.400 you know, Love Us for Suckers is another one. I'm 1:07:54.520 --> 1:07:56.160 unfaithful I can. 1:07:56.000 --> 1:08:00.880 Be the song that was Yeah, yeah, we. 1:08:00.120 --> 1:08:03.360 Go right back at that. But we all hear each 1:08:03.400 --> 1:08:06.680 other's ideas, man, and we always just like let it out. 1:08:06.720 --> 1:08:09.720 There's never no big arguments and there's disagreements. We'd all 1:08:09.720 --> 1:08:12.560 come to an agreement and we just let everybody, you know, 1:08:12.760 --> 1:08:14.560 just do their thing, you know what I mean. So 1:08:14.680 --> 1:08:16.000 that's how we that's how we work. 1:08:20.880 --> 1:08:23.800 I was gonna say, when you guys were working with 1:08:23.960 --> 1:08:25.960 Samantha Fox, mm hmm. 1:08:27.040 --> 1:08:30.880 Yeah. At the time, you already know where I'm going 1:08:30.920 --> 1:08:31.439 with it, so. 1:08:33.760 --> 1:08:34.120 Go ahead. 1:08:34.920 --> 1:08:38.479 No, Well, you know, there was a a a notable 1:08:38.840 --> 1:08:44.280 Thesbian also with the name of Samantha Fox. And I 1:08:44.320 --> 1:08:46.759 think there was definitely a group of people that thought 1:08:46.760 --> 1:08:51.320 that you guys were producing for the foreign actress of 1:08:51.400 --> 1:08:53.120 the name Samantha Fox. 1:08:53.280 --> 1:08:56.599 They did, You're right, definitely right, Not wow, I missed that, 1:08:56.640 --> 1:08:58.840 but yeah, and. 1:08:58.800 --> 1:09:04.040 Then right, I Well, the thing was is that all 1:09:04.160 --> 1:09:06.960 Samantha Fox's songs, you know, touch me, I want to 1:09:06.960 --> 1:09:09.840 feel your body, naughty girls, and he loved to. We 1:09:10.040 --> 1:09:13.479 naturally thought that, oh, she retired from the porn world 1:09:13.960 --> 1:09:14.519 and now. 1:09:14.360 --> 1:09:19.439 She's singing, she's just saying about it, only. 1:09:19.240 --> 1:09:21.720 Only to find out that, you know, there there was 1:09:21.840 --> 1:09:23.759 an actual another Samantha Fox. 1:09:23.800 --> 1:09:26.640 And this one was not that person, but. 1:09:26.240 --> 1:09:29.400 But the but the real Samantha Fox, the singer Samantha Fox. 1:09:29.800 --> 1:09:33.519 She was in England called the Page six girl on 1:09:33.640 --> 1:09:35.840 some magazine. It wasn't a pornal magazine, but it was 1:09:35.880 --> 1:09:40.080 a magazine where it would show her her top, not naked, 1:09:40.120 --> 1:09:41.560 but her breast. 1:09:41.600 --> 1:09:43.760 As a page six girl, she was. 1:09:44.240 --> 1:09:48.440 She was the precursor of Kim Kardashian like, not exactly socialite. 1:09:48.479 --> 1:09:50.200 I mean, well that would have been Pisa Door. 1:09:50.120 --> 1:09:52.920 But oh wow, I haven't heard that name if forever. 1:09:53.640 --> 1:09:57.160 Kind of Yeah, well, Terry Jimmy did the album with Pias, 1:09:57.600 --> 1:09:58.960 didn't they chit ching? 1:09:59.200 --> 1:10:01.519 Yes they did, that's right. 1:10:01.640 --> 1:10:03.880 I got the cassette. I remember they. I remember one 1:10:03.920 --> 1:10:04.760 of them. 1:10:04.600 --> 1:10:07.679 I'm feeling her when the workers sent me the cassette, 1:10:07.680 --> 1:10:09.879 I'm like, wow, they did a Pia Sodora. 1:10:09.960 --> 1:10:11.240 And I know it was a money. 1:10:10.960 --> 1:10:13.519 Grab, but it was still it was still interesting, it 1:10:13.600 --> 1:10:14.879 was still good production. 1:10:15.479 --> 1:10:18.200 I might be wrong, but didn't you guys work with Selena? 1:10:19.240 --> 1:10:21.880 Yes? Yes, we did make she Rest in Peace? Uh 1:10:21.920 --> 1:10:24.720 we were the last American who's the last American producers 1:10:24.760 --> 1:10:28.719 to work with her? Because that album I'll never forget. 1:10:28.760 --> 1:10:33.439 I was at Electra Records, which no Emi Records, my 1:10:33.479 --> 1:10:37.160 bad Emi Records, and I just was talking to Nancy Brennan, 1:10:37.200 --> 1:10:39.360 who was in an A and R executive there, and 1:10:39.439 --> 1:10:43.120 I saw overhead a TV and there's a video and 1:10:43.320 --> 1:10:46.360 Selena was on this video singing and dancing and she's 1:10:46.400 --> 1:10:49.760 singing in Spanish and I was saying, yo, who's that? 1:10:50.520 --> 1:10:53.360 And she said, oh, oh, that's ol ti Haano artist. 1:10:53.439 --> 1:10:56.800 Her name is Selena. You know, I'm like, man, she's 1:10:57.280 --> 1:11:00.800 fine and look like she's performing and you know, I've 1:11:00.840 --> 1:11:03.080 never seen it or heard of her before. And then 1:11:03.120 --> 1:11:05.639 I told I said, yo, is the way we could 1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:08.200 produce something on her. I don't care if we even 1:11:08.240 --> 1:11:11.880 have to produce something in Spanish And she says, well, Lou, 1:11:11.960 --> 1:11:15.160 you know what, We're getting ready to do a half 1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:18.080 all English album with her. We're getting ready to do 1:11:18.160 --> 1:11:21.479 an old English album. And I'm like, really, we would 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:24.000 love to work on that album. And she got in 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:28.280 touch with Selena's brother, Abe Criintonella Junior, and we met 1:11:28.280 --> 1:11:31.040 with him and just so happened. He was a big 1:11:31.080 --> 1:11:33.679 fan of Full Force, and just so happened. Before Selena 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:38.040 made it big, Selena used to perform Samantha Fox songs. 1:11:38.080 --> 1:11:41.360 You know, I won't have some fun in her shows, 1:11:41.920 --> 1:11:44.760 and that's how we got to work with her. 1:11:44.760 --> 1:11:46.120 And it was so crazy. 1:11:45.800 --> 1:11:49.719 Because we would do it. We would did a version. 1:11:49.760 --> 1:11:53.439 We did a song Missing My Baby with Selena, and 1:11:54.400 --> 1:11:58.519 when she had to come in to do the background vocals, 1:11:58.560 --> 1:12:01.280 like the next day, she had to come back to 1:12:01.320 --> 1:12:04.200 New York to do it. That's when I got a 1:12:04.200 --> 1:12:07.439 phone call from my mom and like, nobody heard of 1:12:07.479 --> 1:12:09.360 her back then, We just people just knew he was 1:12:09.360 --> 1:12:12.040 producing a girl named Selena. And then that's when she said, 1:12:12.040 --> 1:12:13.800 are you sitting down? I'm like, sitting down? Why are 1:12:13.760 --> 1:12:17.400 you guys staying down? For Selena? Selena died today? She 1:12:17.439 --> 1:12:18.759 got killed. I'm like, what? 1:12:19.160 --> 1:12:19.280 Who? 1:12:20.080 --> 1:12:24.400 We were so blown away, and because she's such a 1:12:24.439 --> 1:12:27.920 sweetheart and she's a practical joker herself, but she was 1:12:28.000 --> 1:12:33.000 so blown away shocked, I mean very shocked, stunned. And 1:12:33.040 --> 1:12:35.200 then you just start seeing on TV. That's when a 1:12:35.200 --> 1:12:37.280 lot of people start knowing who Selena was because of 1:12:38.360 --> 1:12:45.920 what she passed. And I said, wow, crazy, Well I knew. 1:12:46.000 --> 1:12:47.960 I just knew that they were not going to go 1:12:48.000 --> 1:12:50.280 through with it with the all English album anymore. I 1:12:50.280 --> 1:12:52.679 figured they were just going to scrap it. But what 1:12:52.720 --> 1:12:56.640 they did is they said, after some weeks past, the 1:12:56.760 --> 1:13:00.240 father who was like presiding over the whole project, he 1:13:00.360 --> 1:13:02.920 called me and he said, look, listen, we want you 1:13:02.960 --> 1:13:05.799 guys to come up and finish and do the background 1:13:05.880 --> 1:13:09.000 vocals for the song missing My Baby, and you guys 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:12.280 finished that off, and because we're gonna do a half thing, 1:13:12.360 --> 1:13:15.400 this half Spanish album. That's how we want to do 1:13:15.880 --> 1:13:17.720 and I'll never forget it. 1:13:17.800 --> 1:13:18.000 Man. 1:13:18.160 --> 1:13:21.720 We flew down there to Corpus Christi, Texas, and it 1:13:21.760 --> 1:13:26.040 was still hot of her passing, because you still see 1:13:26.160 --> 1:13:30.960 flowers and candles right outside the studio. And we went 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:35.040 inside the studio, man, and her leads was already recorded, 1:13:35.560 --> 1:13:39.880 and it just sounded so eerie hearing her sing through 1:13:39.920 --> 1:13:42.200 the studio and there we are doing the background vocals. 1:13:42.200 --> 1:13:44.519 We did the music already and there we all singing 1:13:44.600 --> 1:13:47.880 the background vocals to it, and you still hear her singing. 1:13:48.160 --> 1:13:51.240 And then after we finished doing what we did, the 1:13:51.400 --> 1:13:54.640 family came into that room, her father, her husband at 1:13:54.680 --> 1:13:57.280 the time. They came in that room to hear the 1:13:57.360 --> 1:13:59.880 song that we did, missing my Baby, remember the time 1:14:00.640 --> 1:14:02.000 missing my baby. 1:14:02.200 --> 1:14:02.760 Right yeah. 1:14:02.960 --> 1:14:06.439 And then there it is playing and you hear the 1:14:06.560 --> 1:14:09.040 cryings and the size we even had tears. 1:14:09.439 --> 1:14:11.240 And then when it was finished. 1:14:11.640 --> 1:14:16.600 Her father ab Quintonella Senior stood up and started applauding 1:14:16.800 --> 1:14:20.760 for us, started clapping, and then everybody else follows suit 1:14:20.800 --> 1:14:23.599 and started clapping for us. I'll never forget it, and 1:14:24.000 --> 1:14:26.840 it became it was on the album Dreaming of you album. 1:14:27.439 --> 1:14:30.400 We even produced it and we got I got my wish. 1:14:30.439 --> 1:14:33.679 We even produced the Spanish song on there, called Technocumbia, 1:14:33.800 --> 1:14:37.800 and the song was a huge blockbuster, you know, and 1:14:38.280 --> 1:14:40.280 another piece of platinum on our wall. 1:14:40.320 --> 1:14:42.520 But her legacy was incredible. 1:14:42.560 --> 1:14:45.440 I didn't know so much of her legacy until we 1:14:45.479 --> 1:14:48.640 was working with her, you know. But it was a 1:14:48.680 --> 1:14:51.559 great experience. She was a great person too, you know. 1:14:51.560 --> 1:14:54.920 Who I always wanted to know. Were there any close 1:14:55.000 --> 1:14:59.400 calls in your career as far as artists You almost 1:14:59.479 --> 1:15:02.800 work with, but from one way or another, like it 1:15:02.880 --> 1:15:04.560 never got to work out, Like you were supposed to 1:15:04.600 --> 1:15:08.960 produce blah blah blahs record and something happened. 1:15:08.680 --> 1:15:13.040 Or yeah, you know, we were supposed to do Gladys 1:15:13.120 --> 1:15:16.360 Knight and the Pips. This is when he she did 1:15:16.680 --> 1:15:21.439 safety over time for me eighty three. Yeah, the other 1:15:21.560 --> 1:15:24.040 time for me was the safety other time for me? 1:15:24.200 --> 1:15:25.120 That wasn't eighty. 1:15:24.840 --> 1:15:27.960 Three eighty three are anything? Love overboard? 1:15:28.040 --> 1:15:33.880 And was yeah, love overboard, that's right, Love over boy. 1:15:33.920 --> 1:15:37.400 We're supposed to we've been We've been spoke. 1:15:37.200 --> 1:15:39.559 To Bubba Bubba Knight and everything like that. 1:15:40.080 --> 1:15:43.040 But for whatever reason, you know, you know, Steve Salem 1:15:43.120 --> 1:15:46.000 was working with ideas. It just didn't happen. But yeah, 1:15:46.040 --> 1:15:47.840 we were so close to that one. You know, that 1:15:47.880 --> 1:15:51.479 would have been fantastic, you know, even you know, and 1:15:51.520 --> 1:15:54.360 then our ego kind of got in the way. When 1:15:55.400 --> 1:15:57.720 even though we worked with the in Sync, we did 1:15:57.800 --> 1:16:01.240 like three songs and their albums, the only Diamond album 1:16:01.280 --> 1:16:05.760 which were part of, which is Proud of. We were 1:16:05.720 --> 1:16:06.680 supposed to do this. 1:16:06.720 --> 1:16:07.960 Song and our ego got in away. 1:16:08.000 --> 1:16:11.040 We wrote this dope song, but they wanted and we 1:16:11.080 --> 1:16:14.000 wrote it one hundred percent, but the record company felt 1:16:14.200 --> 1:16:17.200 to let Max mart because Max Smart was having mad 1:16:18.200 --> 1:16:20.840 doing the damn thing. They said, listen, guys, we want 1:16:20.880 --> 1:16:23.280 to do that song. Maybe you guys wrote a hundred percent, 1:16:23.479 --> 1:16:25.760 but we just want Max to produce it, and our 1:16:25.760 --> 1:16:27.880 fucking ego got in the way. No, no, no, we 1:16:27.920 --> 1:16:31.040 want produce it like we produced the don't tell us 1:16:31.040 --> 1:16:37.320 what to do, And they said, okay, fuck it, fuck that. 1:16:37.400 --> 1:16:42.600 Then we just want to do it. But for that particular 1:16:42.760 --> 1:16:45.160 song they didn't want it. It's a perfect pop song, 1:16:45.240 --> 1:16:49.360 so gotten away that and I remember, even though she 1:16:49.439 --> 1:16:50.280 didn't blow. 1:16:50.080 --> 1:16:52.720 Up, but I just loved Shane. 1:16:52.880 --> 1:16:56.800 She was like fourteen years old, and we we We 1:16:56.920 --> 1:16:58.720 got a chance to work with her later, but at 1:16:58.720 --> 1:17:02.400 that time, I remember getting we was getting the contract 1:17:02.520 --> 1:17:03.840 backs to us, back and forth. 1:17:03.840 --> 1:17:04.880 We're going back and forth. 1:17:05.000 --> 1:17:07.200 Oh you almost said. The first record that Brian Larene. 1:17:06.920 --> 1:17:08.360 Did, yeah, we was. 1:17:10.360 --> 1:17:12.560 Yeah as. 1:17:15.360 --> 1:17:17.040 Can You Dance? Joran? Yeah. 1:17:17.160 --> 1:17:20.640 Bruce durn was her managing the time. I was just 1:17:20.640 --> 1:17:23.679 a lover with Shane's voice, even at such a young age. 1:17:23.720 --> 1:17:28.479 But that that that never came and we almost had 1:17:28.479 --> 1:17:30.320 a chance to produce my my favorite group in the 1:17:30.320 --> 1:17:33.360 world of Temptations, but that didn't come through as well. 1:17:33.520 --> 1:17:35.160 A lot of ship that didn't come through them, Like 1:17:35.200 --> 1:17:38.160 oh man, but story about it? 1:17:38.560 --> 1:17:41.000 You know, Hey, look, can you just I'm sorry, can 1:17:41.040 --> 1:17:43.720 you remind people real quick? Because I remember when the 1:17:43.800 --> 1:17:45.800 whole story came out about you guys producing in Sync, 1:17:45.880 --> 1:17:48.519 I was more team in Sync. I just started telling 1:17:48.520 --> 1:17:49.920 people that y'all did the whole album. 1:17:50.200 --> 1:17:54.040 But can you can you remind people the three the 1:17:54.080 --> 1:17:57.000 three songs on that Diamond record and and the what 1:17:57.080 --> 1:17:57.639 we did. 1:17:57.520 --> 1:17:59.639 We did I Just Want to Be with You, which 1:17:59.680 --> 1:18:02.880 is a song that they released. It wasn't released in 1:18:02.880 --> 1:18:04.719 the state it was on the album. It wasn't released 1:18:04.720 --> 1:18:06.720 in the States, but it was released overseas and it 1:18:06.800 --> 1:18:08.600 was like a top ten joint and that was like 1:18:08.640 --> 1:18:11.719 one of their favorite songs. They performed it on every 1:18:12.240 --> 1:18:13.240 concert that they did. 1:18:13.600 --> 1:18:16.320 Then we did a remake called. 1:18:16.600 --> 1:18:20.920 Everything I Own, which was which was originally done by 1:18:21.160 --> 1:18:23.639 I want to say, was it yes or not? Yes, 1:18:24.360 --> 1:18:26.280 it was done by another popular but we did a 1:18:26.320 --> 1:18:28.519 remake of it Everything I Owned. That was like one 1:18:28.560 --> 1:18:32.400 of the first times we actually saw the vocal wizardry 1:18:32.680 --> 1:18:39.280 of Justin timulate it. I was like, man, okay, Justin, 1:18:39.880 --> 1:18:42.080 you know, I want you to double your voice and 1:18:42.240 --> 1:18:45.640 do the same kind of thing, you know, whatever is 1:18:45.840 --> 1:18:48.240 he was just he was just incredible. 1:18:50.240 --> 1:18:51.000 I just got to say it. 1:18:51.040 --> 1:18:55.320 But jayc was too, But Justin was on just some 1:18:55.640 --> 1:18:58.080 on the level. And you want to know something, they 1:18:58.120 --> 1:19:03.200 all they all love black music. Justin Justin timberlate that 1:19:03.200 --> 1:19:06.920 that that he used to do like imitate Usher dances 1:19:07.040 --> 1:19:10.679 and everything Usher and everything black. He just let everything 1:19:11.000 --> 1:19:12.519 black and. 1:19:12.520 --> 1:19:14.679 One more times can't. 1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:19.320 Right now everything I like the way you say black, 1:19:19.439 --> 1:19:20.559 everything black. 1:19:21.080 --> 1:19:24.519 No, No, he loved he loved he loved the black music, 1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:27.400 just not the women, not the women. 1:19:27.479 --> 1:19:29.960 But I got God told you Lucy satting you up. 1:19:30.160 --> 1:19:31.920 I wasn't I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't. 1:19:31.920 --> 1:19:33.040 I wasn't. I wasn't I wasn't. 1:19:33.040 --> 1:19:33.880 I'm sorry I had to do that. 1:19:34.160 --> 1:19:34.400 Ladies. 1:19:34.439 --> 1:19:34.760 I'm sorry. 1:19:34.760 --> 1:19:35.120 I'm sorry. 1:19:35.120 --> 1:19:36.880 You know it was it was so it was so much. 1:19:37.160 --> 1:19:38.759 It was so much so that they did the story 1:19:38.760 --> 1:19:41.400 of us for Vibe magazine and Baby Jerry did a 1:19:41.479 --> 1:19:44.200 quote and Vibe Magazine and he said, yeah, man, you 1:19:44.280 --> 1:19:46.599 walk into there and you see in sync, and you 1:19:46.600 --> 1:19:49.400 see this kid, Justin Timberlate and he's just just singing 1:19:49.439 --> 1:19:52.840 Brian mcnight songs and he's doing like usher dancing to 1:19:53.120 --> 1:19:57.240 doing Usher dances, and then he's just incredible and and 1:19:57.240 --> 1:20:01.000 and Justin was so excited about out that. And when 1:20:01.000 --> 1:20:03.439 we came back to work with What's Cherry? What's Cherry? 1:20:03.439 --> 1:20:06.240 What Cherry Cherry? Man? Thanks for saying that, man, Oh, 1:20:06.400 --> 1:20:09.320 thanks for saying that in five magazine and their picture 1:20:09.400 --> 1:20:12.320 was in Vibe magazine. It's so back. She wasn't Britain 1:20:12.360 --> 1:20:15.040 because we were talking about us doing these pop facts. 1:20:15.240 --> 1:20:19.719 But he just loved being revered by black folks. Listen, 1:20:20.200 --> 1:20:22.360 do you remember question I failed for that? So I'm 1:20:22.360 --> 1:20:26.040 not I have nothing Train Awards when he won. 1:20:28.560 --> 1:20:30.120 Yeah, the point. 1:20:29.920 --> 1:20:32.160 When he did he wear carroles that night, I can't remember. 1:20:33.200 --> 1:20:35.360 He loved it. That was kind of crazy to me. 1:20:35.560 --> 1:20:37.920 But yeah, and the mirror I'm not being I'm not 1:20:37.960 --> 1:20:40.120 being funny and mirror I felt like I felt when 1:20:40.120 --> 1:20:41.880 I heard Gone for the first time. 1:20:42.360 --> 1:20:45.440 I was one at my black radio station in Philadelphia. 1:20:45.439 --> 1:20:47.880 That was like, let's just play this record and not 1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:49.080 say who's singing the song? 1:20:49.439 --> 1:20:52.320 Like, so I fell for it. I'm just all right. Yeah. 1:20:52.439 --> 1:20:55.120 Oh, by the way, I think Bread is the group 1:20:55.160 --> 1:20:56.280 that did everything I owned. 1:20:56.640 --> 1:20:58.200 Uh, yes, yes, indeed. 1:20:58.360 --> 1:21:00.880 Wait, boy, wait you mentioned nineteen eighty three. All right, 1:21:00.920 --> 1:21:02.240 and we're gonna wrap this up soon. 1:21:02.320 --> 1:21:03.120 But it just hit me. 1:21:03.120 --> 1:21:08.920 Maybe there's there's one question. I there's one factoid about 1:21:08.960 --> 1:21:09.400 your career. 1:21:09.520 --> 1:21:10.120 I didn't know. 1:21:11.240 --> 1:21:13.880 I didn't know that you guys had worked with Bob Dylan. 1:21:15.520 --> 1:21:20.000 Can I ask if this was the Curtis blow connection 1:21:20.120 --> 1:21:20.840 to Bob Dylan? 1:21:21.880 --> 1:21:22.479 Or yes? 1:21:24.360 --> 1:21:25.320 Wait, what's that. 1:21:26.960 --> 1:21:29.040 You know? 1:21:29.360 --> 1:21:31.920 I'm you No, No, I put two and two together 1:21:32.680 --> 1:21:37.799 and all right, Well, one, when salam Remy was fourteen 1:21:37.880 --> 1:21:42.320 years old, he had talked Curtis Blow into doing a 1:21:42.360 --> 1:21:50.439 cover of Magilla Gorilla Why anyway? Anyway, Also on also 1:21:50.479 --> 1:21:52.519 on that record, I had the America album. 1:21:53.160 --> 1:21:54.919 So I do know that. 1:21:54.760 --> 1:22:00.960 Bob Dylan had sung on Curtis Blow's America album. And 1:22:01.240 --> 1:22:03.360 I think I forget the producer at the time that 1:22:03.479 --> 1:22:06.439 was also working with Bob Dylan. 1:22:06.720 --> 1:22:10.040 It might have been. Was it Bill Laswell? 1:22:10.160 --> 1:22:12.200 I forget who it was, but it was like someone 1:22:12.240 --> 1:22:14.960 that had some sort of street cred. It was either 1:22:15.000 --> 1:22:17.439 Bill Laswell or it could have been Arthur Baker, but 1:22:17.600 --> 1:22:21.280 like somebody who was not Rick Rubin, but like the 1:22:21.320 --> 1:22:23.719 white guy that was sort of in hip hop circles. 1:22:24.360 --> 1:22:25.719 And so I just put two and two together. 1:22:25.800 --> 1:22:31.120 I'm like, well, you guys work with Curtis Blow, and yeah, 1:22:31.200 --> 1:22:34.680 it makes sense that that's how it went down. So 1:22:35.720 --> 1:22:38.080 he chose you guys to sing background on a joint 1:22:38.280 --> 1:22:41.800 that was on the Infidel's record exactly. 1:22:42.000 --> 1:22:45.080 And actually we did two joints, but that one made 1:22:45.120 --> 1:22:47.559 the one of them made the Infidel's album, which is 1:22:47.600 --> 1:22:50.080 called Death Is Not the End. And how that happened 1:22:50.200 --> 1:22:51.720 was we was working. 1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:55.000 With Curtis Blow at power station in New York and 1:22:56.280 --> 1:22:59.120 they just heard ours because we were singing back on 1:22:59.200 --> 1:23:02.439 focus to songs we did with Kurt, and they. 1:23:02.360 --> 1:23:04.080 Would walk in and out and they would hear it. 1:23:04.120 --> 1:23:06.400 And then all of a sudden, one of his assistants 1:23:07.160 --> 1:23:09.799 came to us and like, hey, when you guys are finished, 1:23:10.160 --> 1:23:12.559 just one guys, if you guys could come lay down 1:23:12.600 --> 1:23:16.000 some background vocals to a new artist that a new 1:23:16.080 --> 1:23:17.760 artist client will pay you something for. 1:23:17.800 --> 1:23:20.599 The new artist client of ours. And we said yeah, okay, 1:23:20.840 --> 1:23:22.640 And we weren't known then, but we was down to 1:23:23.040 --> 1:23:25.320 do it. This is right before we signed with Columbia Records, 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:29.040 this full Force and whatever, and we went to perform 1:23:29.400 --> 1:23:31.040 for this new We went to go in there to 1:23:31.040 --> 1:23:33.679 see this new artist. And when we walked in there, 1:23:34.240 --> 1:23:37.040 because remember our music, we stemmed all the way back 1:23:37.040 --> 1:23:39.519 from when we were kids seeing all these artists at 1:23:39.560 --> 1:23:44.240 the Apollo Theater like from everybody. So we saw fucking 1:23:44.360 --> 1:23:48.519 Bob Dylan, were just so blown. That's a new artist. 1:23:48.800 --> 1:23:52.920 Wait a minute, that's that's art. That's Bob, that's Bob Dylan, 1:23:53.520 --> 1:23:56.439 and it's Bob Dylan man. And he walked over to us, 1:23:56.960 --> 1:24:00.880 how y'all doing, y'all doing good? How y'all feel shaking 1:24:00.960 --> 1:24:03.360 our head? And how you're doing. Yeah, yeah, I just 1:24:03.760 --> 1:24:05.920 like to hear y'all vote do your vocals on these 1:24:05.960 --> 1:24:09.880 two songs of mine. I really loved that. And we 1:24:09.880 --> 1:24:11.679 were going and we just stayed there and we did 1:24:12.640 --> 1:24:16.599 background vocals on two Bob Dylan songs, and then we 1:24:16.600 --> 1:24:18.800 was appeared on the album because we were known then 1:24:18.920 --> 1:24:22.120 through the Least Release and coaching with Full Force. You know, 1:24:22.160 --> 1:24:25.760 we saw our name on the sticker with credits Full Force. 1:24:25.560 --> 1:24:26.599 And with Bob Doling. 1:24:27.320 --> 1:24:29.440 It was incredible, you know, incredible. 1:24:30.520 --> 1:24:33.320 All right, So I I was going to ask the 1:24:33.360 --> 1:24:34.759 last question, did you guys have anything? 1:24:34.880 --> 1:24:35.880 No, no, no, I just. 1:24:35.920 --> 1:24:37.679 Want to ask one laugh for you. I just want 1:24:37.720 --> 1:24:40.200 to lou, have we been keeping you on screens for 1:24:40.240 --> 1:24:43.080 too long? Because I just realized that, you know, we 1:24:43.280 --> 1:24:45.400 as we talked, as we're talking about the future, the 1:24:45.439 --> 1:24:48.320 presents and whatnot, that you have your own battles with 1:24:48.520 --> 1:24:51.240 health and your eyes. So I was just curious. I 1:24:51.280 --> 1:24:52.559 was like, wait, are you supposed to be looking at 1:24:52.560 --> 1:24:53.160 screens as long? 1:24:53.200 --> 1:24:56.200 An? Oh no, no, yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine. I got 1:24:56.240 --> 1:25:00.200 central vision is still good. I'm keeping being proactive with 1:25:00.280 --> 1:25:03.000 my eye. I got this disease called retinies, pigmentos at 1:25:03.080 --> 1:25:08.800 least the blindness. But I'm proactive with the treatments of it. 1:25:08.880 --> 1:25:12.680 Like I'm going to do this treatment called the hyperbaric 1:25:12.760 --> 1:25:16.320 oxygen therapy which you get into the chamber and you. 1:25:16.320 --> 1:25:17.479 Ain't Michael Jackson thing. 1:25:18.120 --> 1:25:22.000 Yeah, but it's in the eyes because what it does 1:25:22.040 --> 1:25:25.439 installs the progression of any more sight loss, Like I 1:25:25.479 --> 1:25:28.559 don't have any peripheral vision anymore, but I just got 1:25:28.600 --> 1:25:31.760 my central vision, so you know, it's it's it's all good. 1:25:31.800 --> 1:25:33.880 So I'm good, man, I'm just I'm happy to be 1:25:33.960 --> 1:25:35.680 doing this show ques to tell you truth, man, I 1:25:35.720 --> 1:25:36.040 love it. 1:25:36.120 --> 1:25:37.639 And this is the last question I want to ask. 1:25:37.880 --> 1:25:40.559 I want you to ask about your your dad and 1:25:40.880 --> 1:25:43.880 what he taught you and your brothers about being men, 1:25:44.360 --> 1:25:48.440 because I feel like watching you guys, there are no barriers. 1:25:48.520 --> 1:25:52.280 Y'all have this kind of love that I can kiss 1:25:52.280 --> 1:25:54.479 my brother on the cheek, I can, you know, It's 1:25:54.560 --> 1:25:57.360 just it's no barriers. So I'm curious as to what 1:25:57.360 --> 1:25:58.439 your father told you. 1:25:58.520 --> 1:26:01.759 What a man are you? You are your brother's keeper? 1:26:01.960 --> 1:26:04.719 Yeah, that too, but just too, and how they operate 1:26:04.720 --> 1:26:07.360 as men without barriers as well, like not have you know, 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:09.559 not the extra extra manly all the time. 1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:15.160 And even though yes, yeah, yeah, well my father didn't 1:26:15.240 --> 1:26:17.639 kind of teach us that, but we kind of got 1:26:17.680 --> 1:26:20.479 that also from our mother. So my mother and our 1:26:20.560 --> 1:26:23.960 father kind of kind of did that for us. And 1:26:24.160 --> 1:26:26.479 just to be real with it, because even though we 1:26:26.840 --> 1:26:29.639 were machra when we're full force, you know, we still 1:26:29.680 --> 1:26:32.800 got our emotional side and illness as well, even though 1:26:32.800 --> 1:26:35.519 we're men. You know, the bottom line is that, yeah, 1:26:35.600 --> 1:26:37.320 if I want to cry, I could cry and just 1:26:37.439 --> 1:26:42.320 feel feel the whole uh love scenario there. So my 1:26:42.360 --> 1:26:46.000 mother and my father may rest in peace, taught us that, 1:26:46.080 --> 1:26:48.840 you know, taught us not the whole grudges because I 1:26:48.840 --> 1:26:52.200 don't hold grudges at all. And my thing I'll never forget. 1:26:52.320 --> 1:26:54.439 I mean, I'm saying this public people, I'll never forget. 1:26:54.439 --> 1:26:59.120 My father's wife at the time wasn't my mother. It 1:26:59.160 --> 1:27:02.160 was his wife before he passed. You know. We just 1:27:02.360 --> 1:27:04.760 used to always have some back and forth with her, 1:27:04.800 --> 1:27:08.000 and I'll never forget when we had to run in 1:27:08.080 --> 1:27:10.960 and she jumped in my face and said, all right, 1:27:11.280 --> 1:27:15.240 well you're going blind. You're going blind. She said that 1:27:15.280 --> 1:27:18.280 to me at the nursing where my father was, and 1:27:18.320 --> 1:27:21.200 I was like, it's okay, and I walked out, and 1:27:21.240 --> 1:27:25.040 she like taunted me, She's so stupid, But that was okay. 1:27:25.280 --> 1:27:28.960 Two weeks later, I forgave her. I reached out an 1:27:29.000 --> 1:27:31.720 olive branch to her and I said, well, listen, I 1:27:31.840 --> 1:27:33.840 just want I don't want to hold any grudges, because 1:27:33.880 --> 1:27:35.559 of course we still wanted to know what was happening 1:27:35.560 --> 1:27:38.439 to my father since she was the healthcare proxy and 1:27:38.479 --> 1:27:41.720 everything and controlled all that stuff. So I forgave her. 1:27:41.800 --> 1:27:43.840 I just don't like to hold grudges for anything. The 1:27:43.880 --> 1:27:47.200 only time I holdly grudge is if somebody does bodily 1:27:47.240 --> 1:27:50.519 harm or fatal bodily harm to my family or friends, 1:27:50.720 --> 1:27:54.000 then I'm holding a fucking grudge. But other than that, 1:27:54.160 --> 1:27:56.639 I don't like to I like to forgive the best 1:27:56.680 --> 1:27:59.640 way I can. And my mother and father taught us that. 1:27:59.680 --> 1:28:02.439 They told like, my mother always says she has three 1:28:02.479 --> 1:28:05.439 wonderful sons. So even though I'm the primary caregiver for 1:28:05.479 --> 1:28:10.200 my mom, my brother's pitching as well, we all are 1:28:10.240 --> 1:28:13.320 caregivers to her, and I always like hearing her saying 1:28:13.400 --> 1:28:15.479 she has three wonderful sons because she has her health 1:28:15.560 --> 1:28:17.800 challenges now but we have to be there for her 1:28:17.880 --> 1:28:18.840 like she was there for us. 1:28:18.840 --> 1:28:20.120 It's just like my brother Paul. 1:28:20.960 --> 1:28:23.280 You know, when my brother Paul was fighting for his 1:28:23.360 --> 1:28:26.680 life with the cancer. I mean, and Paul is like 1:28:26.800 --> 1:28:30.280 mister invincible, you know, it's like for him to have cancer, 1:28:30.720 --> 1:28:33.080 it was like a mind blow. He's eight years cancer 1:28:33.120 --> 1:28:36.160 free now, but when he was really fighting for his life, 1:28:36.600 --> 1:28:39.040 we had to have a bone marrow stemself transplant. I 1:28:39.120 --> 1:28:41.800 was just one hundred percent match. Thank god, my brother 1:28:41.840 --> 1:28:44.000 b Fine said, man, I thought I was going to 1:28:44.040 --> 1:28:44.960 be the match because me and. 1:28:44.880 --> 1:28:45.759 Him look more alike. 1:28:46.400 --> 1:28:53.040 I'm sorry, being but I was his match. He finan 1:28:53.120 --> 1:28:55.600 for his life. He needed sick he needed Paul was 1:28:55.640 --> 1:28:58.880 always positive though, no matter what, he was always positive. 1:28:58.920 --> 1:29:00.920 You can never see a chink in his armor except 1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:04.160 behind closed doors. I maybe saw it twice, but an 1:29:04.280 --> 1:29:07.400 outer thing, think positively positive because he's not like that. 1:29:07.560 --> 1:29:09.920 Then we don't even get to a transplant. But when 1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:12.880 he was fighting for his life and they said he 1:29:12.960 --> 1:29:15.960 needed six million stemselves, I was the one at home 1:29:16.479 --> 1:29:20.840 taking Nu pigeon shots, like injecting myself twice a day 1:29:20.920 --> 1:29:23.479 for two weeks to harvest my own stem cells to 1:29:23.520 --> 1:29:26.920 give to my brother. And when I went into the hospital, 1:29:27.200 --> 1:29:31.000 they said, listen, your brother needs six million stemselves. If 1:29:31.040 --> 1:29:33.519 you don't give him enough, we're going to take a 1:29:33.520 --> 1:29:37.680 cafeter to your chest and try to extract, try to 1:29:37.720 --> 1:29:40.599 extract more that we could do. Now, here's what can 1:29:40.680 --> 1:29:45.000 happen during this procedure, what we're doing now, you could 1:29:45.040 --> 1:29:48.360 bleed to death. Your spleen could bleed, and this and 1:29:48.439 --> 1:29:48.720 that and. 1:29:48.680 --> 1:29:49.960 Blah blah, all kinds of stuff. 1:29:50.040 --> 1:29:51.800 And then they said, would you still like to go 1:29:51.840 --> 1:29:54.360 through it this? And I said, of course I was. 1:29:54.360 --> 1:29:57.320 It was my brother, you know who wouldn't. And they said, 1:29:57.400 --> 1:30:01.040 you'd be surprised, mister George. I said what I said, 1:30:01.040 --> 1:30:02.720 Do some siblings have done that? 1:30:02.840 --> 1:30:03.320 Knowing that? 1:30:03.600 --> 1:30:06.920 They said, yeah, some they get so scared that yeah, 1:30:06.960 --> 1:30:08.600 then they back out. I'm like, oh, I'm not going 1:30:08.680 --> 1:30:11.680 to back out. So we did the damn thing, and 1:30:11.720 --> 1:30:15.400 instead of giving Paul six million stemselves, I was able 1:30:15.400 --> 1:30:19.760 to give him nine million steps. Wow. I became. I 1:30:19.840 --> 1:30:24.840 became a conduit from God to help save Paul's life 1:30:24.880 --> 1:30:27.559 and these eight years cancer free right now, I just 1:30:27.600 --> 1:30:30.240 told him I wish he had some damn stem cells 1:30:30.280 --> 1:30:35.360 form my fucking eyes. You know, I was turn the paper, 1:30:36.600 --> 1:30:39.639 but it's all good man, and Paul's just doing his thing. 1:30:39.680 --> 1:30:42.120 You know, even even before it's themself transplant, he was 1:30:42.120 --> 1:30:44.400 at the hospital still working out when he was supposed 1:30:44.439 --> 1:30:47.000 to doing push ups and doing stuff for me. He 1:30:47.080 --> 1:30:50.360 was like he was like an inspiration over there. 1:30:51.479 --> 1:30:53.000 That's why. 1:30:53.439 --> 1:30:57.000 Yeah, I monitored his progress on his Instagram and it's 1:30:57.040 --> 1:30:58.120 beautiful to see him. 1:30:59.120 --> 1:31:01.720 Uh. I wanted to. 1:31:01.760 --> 1:31:09.639 Know, even without uh, even without what we're going through 1:31:09.840 --> 1:31:17.480 in UH COVID and quarantining, how do you currently stay creative? 1:31:17.920 --> 1:31:19.560 Like is music still. 1:31:21.320 --> 1:31:25.759 A first love to you as it once was, or 1:31:26.600 --> 1:31:28.639 are you just at another place in your life where 1:31:28.640 --> 1:31:32.439 you're just enjoying life and you know, what is your 1:31:32.600 --> 1:31:35.680 relationship with not with the music business, but just with 1:31:36.160 --> 1:31:41.240 creativity in general, and you know, kind of your relationship 1:31:41.240 --> 1:31:41.719 with music. 1:31:42.479 --> 1:31:45.240 We still love music, I mean that's our fiber from 1:31:45.240 --> 1:31:48.880 the beginning. So it's just a different space and time 1:31:48.920 --> 1:31:52.240 now with how music is now, it's like anybody could 1:31:52.240 --> 1:31:56.200 buy music now. I mean Jimmy jam sent Paul pull 1:31:56.280 --> 1:31:57.960 men at check out my new single. He sent them 1:31:57.960 --> 1:32:01.040 by phone. I mean, look, how look how tithes of change. 1:32:01.280 --> 1:32:04.439 It's a single and I feel and I love, I 1:32:04.479 --> 1:32:07.080 love Jimmy jim and Terry Lewis. They're like heroes of ours. 1:32:07.120 --> 1:32:09.840 I'll never forget when they won their Grammy and they 1:32:09.840 --> 1:32:14.120 did an interview for Billboard magazine and in it because 1:32:14.120 --> 1:32:17.240 of Alice had came out, and they gave us prout 1:32:17.280 --> 1:32:19.600 by saying, yeah, man, right now, our favorite group is 1:32:19.640 --> 1:32:22.000 Full Force and our favorite song is alex I Wann't 1:32:22.000 --> 1:32:23.439 You Just for Me? And we're like, man, that's coming 1:32:23.439 --> 1:32:26.679 from Terry losing Jimmy Jam. But the album that they've done, 1:32:27.240 --> 1:32:30.280 and like the single with the Babyface that they did, 1:32:31.080 --> 1:32:34.479 I mean, it's a good record. So in today's age 1:32:34.479 --> 1:32:38.360 of music, I mean, you know, they don't they don't 1:32:38.439 --> 1:32:40.960 rever it like how it should because back in our 1:32:41.040 --> 1:32:43.880 era that have been a huge deal. 1:32:44.160 --> 1:32:47.160 Are you kidding? You know, Terry losing Jimmy Jam doing 1:32:47.200 --> 1:32:49.320 an album together, that would be a huge deal. 1:32:49.479 --> 1:32:52.240 You know the fact then now Isa days, it's a 1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:53.800 whole it's a whole difference there. 1:32:53.960 --> 1:32:55.559 And I'm not a hater or anything like that, but 1:32:55.680 --> 1:33:03.280 I'm saying it's just, yeah, different times, not exhausting, just 1:33:03.320 --> 1:33:08.120 a little disappointing. Sometimes with the way how music scenario is. 1:33:08.160 --> 1:33:10.960 You know, I know, we got the whole TikTok and 1:33:11.080 --> 1:33:13.920 you just buy stuff. I miss the days. I mean, 1:33:14.479 --> 1:33:16.120 I mean, call me a dinosaur if you want. But 1:33:16.160 --> 1:33:19.360 I love going to the record store and staying in 1:33:19.439 --> 1:33:21.880 the record ours for hours looking at the album covers 1:33:21.880 --> 1:33:24.760 and the credits on the back, and buy my Temptations 1:33:24.760 --> 1:33:27.720 album and buying my motortown review and buying this and 1:33:27.720 --> 1:33:31.080 buy that, and even the cvs. I love that, you know. 1:33:31.160 --> 1:33:33.439 So our music thing is still good because we're still 1:33:33.439 --> 1:33:36.479 doing music. We're still producing songs and everything like that 1:33:36.600 --> 1:33:38.200 and streaming and everything like that. 1:33:38.320 --> 1:33:40.639 One of the exciting things that we did, at least 1:33:40.680 --> 1:33:42.720 for me, which was last Christmas. 1:33:42.880 --> 1:33:46.040 You know, we did our first ever full force Christmas song, 1:33:46.320 --> 1:33:50.720 which we we did it like maybe a month before Christmas. 1:33:50.720 --> 1:33:53.320 But next time, being that it's a Christmas song, we'll 1:33:53.320 --> 1:33:54.360 be able to promote it better. 1:33:54.479 --> 1:33:56.400 But we did a rendition. 1:33:56.040 --> 1:34:00.559 Of Silent Night, which we actually dedicated because you know, 1:34:00.600 --> 1:34:01.479 the Temptations have. 1:34:03.360 --> 1:34:05.479 They say in my mind? Did you say in my mind? 1:34:05.479 --> 1:34:13.040 First they had a classic legendary version of Silent Night 1:34:13.320 --> 1:34:16.920 and a classic legendary album Christmas album by the Temptations. 1:34:17.000 --> 1:34:19.519 But this was when Eddie Kendricks was singing lead and 1:34:19.560 --> 1:34:23.720 then Melvin Franklin was singing song. So we did a 1:34:23.800 --> 1:34:27.479 version of that and and I gotta pat myself on 1:34:27.600 --> 1:34:31.719 the it's on YouTube. 1:34:31.760 --> 1:34:32.559 You see the video. 1:34:32.680 --> 1:34:37.000 Did the videok, And and we did it. We literally 1:34:37.080 --> 1:34:40.240 dedicated it to Melvin Franklin right in the beginning. 1:34:40.280 --> 1:34:40.559 I talked. 1:34:40.600 --> 1:34:42.400 I said, we'd like to dedicate the song. 1:34:42.640 --> 1:34:46.559 To Melvin Franklin Temptations who did a classic version of 1:34:46.640 --> 1:34:49.960 Silent Night and made it even a double classic. And 1:34:50.120 --> 1:34:52.320 we sang and then we have a friend of ours 1:34:52.360 --> 1:34:54.160 from the neighborhood. We didn't even know he could sing 1:34:54.240 --> 1:34:57.599 until like a few years ago that he sang the 1:34:57.640 --> 1:34:58.760 Melvin Franklin part. 1:34:58.840 --> 1:34:59.879 Now he's not Melvin. 1:35:00.560 --> 1:35:03.000 But we did it justice. And you know when I 1:35:03.040 --> 1:35:06.160 know we did it justice. I got a thumbs up 1:35:06.160 --> 1:35:10.439 from Otis Williams Otis when he heard it called he 1:35:10.560 --> 1:35:13.320 called me and he said, that's beautiful and I love 1:35:13.400 --> 1:35:16.120 the way you opened it up by giving introduction to 1:35:16.160 --> 1:35:19.720 Melvin Franklin. And we dedicated it to Temptations. Listen, we're 1:35:19.760 --> 1:35:22.360 not stupid. We're not going to do a remake and 1:35:22.520 --> 1:35:25.679 you know, leave it alone, don't compete. It's not comparab 1:35:25.680 --> 1:35:28.360 We're just dedicating it to the temptation giving them homage. 1:35:28.720 --> 1:35:33.639 Eddie Kendrick's daughter Ika Kendricks listen to it, call me up, Lou. 1:35:33.760 --> 1:35:36.880 That was beautiful. So I got her blessing. And then 1:35:37.479 --> 1:35:43.120 Melvin Franklin's wife, widow Kimberly English, she sent me a 1:35:43.160 --> 1:35:46.120 long text about it and she gave me blessing. So 1:35:46.160 --> 1:35:50.280 I got blessing from Melvin's wife, Eddie's daughter and Otus Williams. 1:35:50.400 --> 1:35:52.400 So I knew our job was done with that. So 1:35:52.439 --> 1:35:54.400 that was exciting for me. And you can go look 1:35:54.400 --> 1:35:57.479 it on YouTube. It's dope performance. And then I said, hey, 1:35:57.520 --> 1:36:01.280 why were added? Let's do another Cristmas song. And we 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:04.200 also did a version of in this funny Christmas song 1:36:04.280 --> 1:36:08.720 but it's dope. It's called twelve Christmas performed by the 1:36:08.720 --> 1:36:11.200 House Party Bullies Lack. 1:36:12.680 --> 1:36:14.439 I'm definitely looking this shit up now. 1:36:15.920 --> 1:36:18.120 We did a video to that and it's hilarious. 1:36:18.320 --> 1:36:19.760 I'm looking it up immediately. 1:36:20.240 --> 1:36:21.240 It's hilarious. 1:36:23.000 --> 1:36:28.640 I have to say that this definitely lived up to 1:36:29.040 --> 1:36:33.280 my expectations. This was worth the ten year or fifteen 1:36:33.360 --> 1:36:36.640 year or twenty year wait that I've been dying to 1:36:36.720 --> 1:36:39.960 have a real conversation and pick your brain about everything 1:36:40.000 --> 1:36:44.960 that you've done creatively. Just know that every aspect of 1:36:45.120 --> 1:36:47.559 your career I followed it. I'm such a fan of 1:36:47.600 --> 1:36:52.080 you guys, and I'm really appreciative of everything that you've contributed, 1:36:52.800 --> 1:36:57.880 everything from your skits to your songwriting, to your backgrounds, 1:36:57.920 --> 1:37:01.760 to your drum programming, to every everything that you guys 1:37:01.760 --> 1:37:04.439 have done. Thank you, man, That's all I can say, 1:37:04.760 --> 1:37:06.080 and I really appreciate that. 1:37:06.240 --> 1:37:08.400 Before I go, can I ask you a questions? 1:37:08.439 --> 1:37:12.400 Did you like when music was changing up and they 1:37:12.400 --> 1:37:15.760 were taking out the live, live feel of stuff. Did 1:37:15.760 --> 1:37:19.760 you ever conform to like or given or whatever to 1:37:19.880 --> 1:37:22.520 like the drum machines and stuff like that, or accepted 1:37:22.520 --> 1:37:24.880 it even on the mental aspect of. 1:37:24.880 --> 1:37:25.920 It, you know. 1:37:26.080 --> 1:37:28.439 I mean at the time when we came in the game, 1:37:29.240 --> 1:37:31.479 like we were the oye guy out, like, all right, 1:37:31.600 --> 1:37:35.320 you guys are playing instruments. So you know, when our 1:37:35.360 --> 1:37:39.040 when our second when our third album, Illadelph Half Life 1:37:39.040 --> 1:37:43.760 came out, I felt a pressure to maybe maybe conform 1:37:43.960 --> 1:37:46.960 and and try to be as normal as possible. But 1:37:47.000 --> 1:37:48.800 I mean at the end of the day, I just 1:37:49.760 --> 1:37:52.599 I learned everything about studio technology. So my old thing 1:37:52.720 --> 1:37:55.639 was like, Okay, well, I'm gonna try. I'm still drum 1:37:55.680 --> 1:37:57.280 but I got to figure out how to make my 1:37:57.400 --> 1:38:02.040 drums even sound more pliable to hip hop it so 1:38:02.080 --> 1:38:07.200 that it doesn't feel as foreign, you know. But yeah, 1:38:07.240 --> 1:38:11.719 I've learned since then to learn every aspect of the game. 1:38:11.920 --> 1:38:12.760 Even when I hang up. 1:38:12.800 --> 1:38:15.720 Now, I'm about to do something I rarely do. I 1:38:15.760 --> 1:38:19.400 gotta cut a demo for this project I'm working on now, 1:38:19.520 --> 1:38:21.400 which none of the roots are here. So I'm gonna 1:38:21.400 --> 1:38:26.160 try and do everything by myself, which to be rather 1:38:26.200 --> 1:38:27.920 a nightmare. 1:38:29.240 --> 1:38:30.519 But you gotta get rest. 1:38:30.560 --> 1:38:32.120 Okay, I'm not going I know. 1:38:33.040 --> 1:38:36.200 I haven't announced it yet, but I guess this episode 1:38:36.200 --> 1:38:41.280 will come out later. The Oscars desired me. So I'm 1:38:41.320 --> 1:38:43.120 the musical director of the Oscars this year. 1:38:47.320 --> 1:38:50.040 Yes, it was very it should be loud. 1:38:50.200 --> 1:38:53.120 It's the Oscars and you black congratulation. 1:38:55.200 --> 1:38:57.639 It's Reggie part of the production team on the Oscars 1:38:57.680 --> 1:38:58.679 this time, Reggie Hudling. 1:39:00.280 --> 1:39:07.400 No, it's it's it's Jesse Collins who did BT wow the. 1:39:07.320 --> 1:39:10.200 Super Bowl to so Steven Sodenberg. 1:39:10.360 --> 1:39:13.559 Steven Sadenberg's directing it and Jesse Collins is producing it. 1:39:14.479 --> 1:39:19.960 And that question with the drumming and the drum machine, 1:39:19.960 --> 1:39:21.720 because I never forget my brother be Fine, who was 1:39:21.760 --> 1:39:24.519 doing drums. I remember when we went into the studio 1:39:24.560 --> 1:39:27.400 and it's the first time because you know, he played 1:39:27.439 --> 1:39:29.640 live drums and all all cried out and all of 1:39:29.640 --> 1:39:32.479 that stuff. But then when we had he we had 1:39:32.479 --> 1:39:35.200 to do a drum machine thing. I'll never forget him 1:39:35.280 --> 1:39:39.679 sitting in the booth and he was so dejected because 1:39:39.720 --> 1:39:42.559 he couldn't believe that he was doing the first song 1:39:42.640 --> 1:39:46.439 without any live drums. He just couldn't accept it in 1:39:46.520 --> 1:39:49.880 the beginning. And then later on he adapted to the 1:39:49.920 --> 1:39:52.599 technology that he was programming drums and all that, but 1:39:52.840 --> 1:39:54.800 he was so crushed at that. 1:39:55.720 --> 1:39:56.720 I'll never forget that. 1:39:56.760 --> 1:39:58.000 You know, it's crazy. 1:39:58.240 --> 1:39:59.639 No, I'm not. I'm not crushed. 1:39:59.800 --> 1:40:01.960 I on other ways to be creative, and you know, 1:40:02.160 --> 1:40:07.040 like it's I consider just drumming just one eighth of 1:40:07.160 --> 1:40:09.879 everything that I you know, I still got to engineer 1:40:09.920 --> 1:40:10.479 these records. 1:40:10.520 --> 1:40:11.040 I still have. 1:40:11.040 --> 1:40:15.160 To figure out everything else. So you know, not at all, 1:40:15.400 --> 1:40:18.400 I'm not discouraged at all. I just I learned everything. 1:40:18.560 --> 1:40:20.479 I hate you, but yo, man, I just want to 1:40:20.520 --> 1:40:21.360 say also questions. 1:40:21.360 --> 1:40:23.360 On top of that, Man, thank you my brother, thanks 1:40:23.400 --> 1:40:26.880 for the respect and the love. It's boomerang right back 1:40:27.040 --> 1:40:31.120 to you. I appreciate you being part of our unsung. 1:40:31.280 --> 1:40:34.000 I'll never forget that as long as I live. My pleasure. 1:40:34.680 --> 1:40:38.120 Thank you for acknowledging my birthday too, brod Is. 1:40:38.120 --> 1:40:39.439 Should you know that you and. 1:40:39.560 --> 1:40:44.960 Pe Wee Herman are the number one acknowledgers of everyone's 1:40:45.280 --> 1:40:48.559 holiday and birthday? 1:40:48.960 --> 1:40:51.120 He came out in the snow to the forty ninth, 1:40:51.920 --> 1:40:52.720 Yes he did. 1:40:53.040 --> 1:40:53.400 He did. 1:40:53.439 --> 1:40:57.479 I say thank you because your birthday party, your birthday 1:40:57.479 --> 1:41:00.960 celebration was crazy. It was so creative and I was like, man, 1:41:00.960 --> 1:41:03.640 I can't believe this. You know the whole movie I 1:41:03.680 --> 1:41:06.479 think I was with the Final the Final Web was 1:41:06.560 --> 1:41:08.639 I doing? No? The hard did they come? That's the movie? 1:41:09.280 --> 1:41:13.040 But it was so creative, that whole thing. Then I 1:41:13.080 --> 1:41:15.839 got to meet I'll never forget this is a crazy story, 1:41:16.040 --> 1:41:19.120 but I got to meet Karen Parson's just love it. 1:41:19.400 --> 1:41:20.520 That is the random. 1:41:20.640 --> 1:41:23.719 Oh, I just love from the press, just loved period. 1:41:24.000 --> 1:41:27.839 And I'll never forget when I met her there how 1:41:28.200 --> 1:41:31.280 how I said wow, Karen. So great to meet you. 1:41:31.280 --> 1:41:33.040 Because my boy that was with me, you know, he 1:41:33.240 --> 1:41:35.200 nearly fell off the seat to get to her to 1:41:35.240 --> 1:41:37.559 take a picture, took a picture. I said, yeah, listen, 1:41:37.560 --> 1:41:40.000 I'm because listen, I take myself for granted all the time, 1:41:40.040 --> 1:41:41.559 so I don't know. I said, listen, I'm bow legged 1:41:41.600 --> 1:41:43.360 lout right from four for us, and I take a 1:41:43.400 --> 1:41:45.479 picture because first of all, I know who you are, right, 1:41:45.920 --> 1:41:48.240 I don't. I don't take that for granted. So we 1:41:48.360 --> 1:41:51.920 took a picture and it was just, it was just, 1:41:52.160 --> 1:41:54.760 it was just a crazy party. And I gave you, 1:41:54.880 --> 1:41:57.960 like I'm always giving out plaques just for me. I'm 1:41:57.960 --> 1:41:59.280 not the Grammys of America. 1:42:00.160 --> 1:42:00.280 Love. 1:42:01.000 --> 1:42:04.519 I gave quest a beautiful plaque from I still have it, 1:42:04.600 --> 1:42:07.640 yes here here, and I told him please don't use 1:42:07.640 --> 1:42:12.040 it as as a frisbee, but from my heart, you know. 1:42:12.479 --> 1:42:15.280 And yo, man, thank you so much for thank you 1:42:15.360 --> 1:42:17.040 for being a friend. Man, I'm so proud to call 1:42:17.120 --> 1:42:19.439 you my friend. I'm so proud of you and all 1:42:19.479 --> 1:42:20.960 of what you do as well, my brother. 1:42:21.439 --> 1:42:23.840 Thank you that I appreciate it. Thank you man. 1:42:24.200 --> 1:42:26.400 All right, Well, ladies and gentlemen, I hope you enjoyed 1:42:26.400 --> 1:42:30.400 this episode of Court Love Supreme with our steam guest 1:42:30.640 --> 1:42:32.639 Full Legg Flue of Full Force. 1:42:33.000 --> 1:42:35.479 When we have a team Sapree. My name is Quest 1:42:35.560 --> 1:42:37.559 Love and we will see you on the next program. 1:42:37.720 --> 1:42:38.120 Thank you. 1:42:44.160 --> 1:42:44.280 Yo. 1:42:44.400 --> 1:42:45.400 What's up? This is Sponte. 1:42:45.880 --> 1:42:48.120 Make sure you keep up with us on Instagram at 1:42:48.200 --> 1:42:50.000 QLs and let us know what you think. 1:42:50.160 --> 1:42:52.080 Who should be next to sit down with us? 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