1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Danny and Samantha, and welcome to stuff. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: I've never told you objection. I heart radio. So here's 3 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: my question for you today. Samantha. Okay, what was the 4 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: last movie you watched? Oh that's that's not fair, because 5 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: I've rewatched things and I feel like I'm a loser. 6 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: I actually just watched The Conjuring too, because I realized 7 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: it was on HBO Max, and I was like, oh, yeah, 8 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: I love this movie. Well, not necessarily love this movie, 9 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: but I just love horror films in general. So it's 10 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: been a while since I've seen that one. Yeah, sounds 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: like I'm a big fan. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, the 12 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: Crooked Man. Yeah, that Crooked Man one is always freakish. Yes, 13 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm actually trying to write a scary 14 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: children's rhyme right now. Um, and I was thinking about 15 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: that one. You know, the ones that are like not 16 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: meant to be scary, but when you really think about it, 17 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: they're pretty freaky. Yeah. Well, I mean anything involving witches 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: and such. You're like, oh my god, that's really bad. Yeah. 19 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: They're all trying to poison you and eat you, every 20 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: single one of them. According to these rhymes we tell 21 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: our children, right, So, and I kinda I'm very proud 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: of you because I did get text message last night. 23 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: But what was the last movie you saw? It was 24 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: a League of their Own and I was just like, 25 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I really wish I was sitting there 26 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: with you watching it. I would just want to know 27 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: your reaction. So tell me what is your review? Oh? 28 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: I loved it. I thought it was so fun. I 29 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: was like, this is why I'm so surprised it wasn't 30 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: already a part of your repertoire. Yeah. Yeah, I was 31 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: surprised how much I liked it because I was pretty 32 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: sure I was gonna like it. But in general, sports 33 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: movies aren't my thing, right right, And I was like, 34 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: how no offense to baseball? But you know it's not 35 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: the most usually action packed, so you didn't watch the 36 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: rookie either I'm guessing the children or in the outfield. 37 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: I you know, I have a really funny memory of 38 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: angels in the outfield, because that's I think. I've told 39 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: you the story where I was nine years old and 40 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: I thought I was going to die because I had 41 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: just seen Air Force one and I have a very 42 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: overactive imagination and I saw some gas in the air. Um, 43 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: I drinking an entire six pack of Fresco because I 44 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: thought it was beer and I wanted to get drunk 45 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: one time before I died. I don't know what that 46 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: says about me. But Angels on the Outfield that was 47 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: the movie that was playing when I did this, So 48 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: I did see that the correlation. What about filled the Dreams? 49 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: I did not see that. No, you've never seen that. 50 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 1: No should I. If you build it, they will come. 51 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm just saying from there. Um, I loved that movie. 52 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: I loved The Sad Lot, which apparently I was. I 53 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: haven't seen it in a while, but I did someone 54 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: tweet saying that it did not age well. So even 55 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: though I don't care for baseball, I loved all of 56 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: those movies because it has that sentimentality like, um, of 57 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: this is what the good Old Days was supposed to be, 58 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: or looked like. It has this kind of nationalism, which, 59 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, thinking back on it definitely seems propaganda ish, 60 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: but yeah, I can't help it. I'm like, you know what, 61 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be American, and I want to be 62 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: all American type of person, so this fits in right, 63 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: So if I don't really like baseball, I can at 64 00:03:51,120 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: least enjoy the movies, right right, Yeah, I guess I did. 65 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: I didn't pick up on this. I'm sad that I 66 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: missed the League of their Own because I did love it, 67 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: and that is the topic of our feminist movie Friday 68 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: this time after Samantha. Yes, she was so disappointed that 69 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: I hadn't seen it. So I think I'm both disappointed 70 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: and shocked. It was just like a kind of like 71 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: I was awe struck that this was not a part 72 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: of your movie. Yeah, well now it is. Now it is. 73 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: I'm so happy now it is. Um And yes, this 74 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: was also partly inspired by our Baseball episode, so you 75 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: can see that for the real history that inspired this film. 76 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: Um And Yeah, like we mentioned in that episode, it 77 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: is getting an Amazon Prime reboot with more awaren of 78 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: Color and l G B t Q plus characters and storylines. 79 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, interesting to see where that goes. Also, this 80 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: is gonna be fun because I wrote the description before 81 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: I've seen it, So now I'm going to see how 82 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: accurate I was or road what you wrote a description 83 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: before you saw it? Yeah, okay, what do you just 84 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: kind of like Okay, this is what I know of it. 85 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: I know it was about the history, and we had 86 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: just done that Baseball episode and I was reading articles 87 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: about the feminism of it. So I was like, okay, UM, 88 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: let's see how this actually plays out. And I already 89 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: know I got one thing wrong, so that's it's interesting. 90 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: Um alright. So A League of Their Own is a 91 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: nine film directed by Penny Marshall and it starred Gina Davis, 92 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: Rosie O'donnald Macdonna, Lori Petty, and Tom Hanks. It went 93 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: on to make over a hundred million dollars over a 94 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars, not one million, UM, making Marshal the 95 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: first female director in history to have two movies across 96 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: that mark, the other movie being Big Um. And it 97 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: also napped two Golden Globe nominations. At the time, this 98 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: was a pretty big accomplishment in itself to have a 99 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: movie directed by woman and starring primarily women, and telling 100 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: a story largely about these women and their relationships with 101 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: each other. They're like romance is very minimal in this movie. UM. 102 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,119 Speaker 1: Women in sports movies were rare too, outside of being 103 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: usually the support of mother, girlfriend, wife, daughter, UM and 104 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: Marshall even spoke about this, saying that when Sony signed her, 105 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: they told her, well, even let you make that girl's movie. Wow. 106 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: How nice of them. Um. It was co written by 107 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: the son of an EXIGUE player and another X player, 108 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: Levon Davis, consulted on the movie. Yes, and like we 109 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: said in the previous episode about baseball, it tells the 110 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: true story of the All American Girls Professional Baseball League, 111 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: or the A A g p b L. But in brief, 112 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: here's the story. The a A g p b L 113 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: was one of the first women's leagues and certainly the 114 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: most successful, established in nineteen forty three when many of 115 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: the male players left to fight in World War Two. 116 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 1: It did continue for about a decade after the war ended, 117 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: and the film follows some of the players the league. 118 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: The actors reportedly trained for months to learn how to 119 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: play baseball and played real games for footage for the film, 120 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: which is fantastic. That sounds fun, that sounds painful. Did 121 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: you see those bruises? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going 122 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: to talk about that later. But Gina Davis said in 123 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,119 Speaker 1: an interview, Um, how many bruises and scrapes they got 124 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: playing in those outfits and UM we mentioned that briefly 125 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: in our baseball episode about like how can you you 126 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: don't have the same protection sliding to basses? Not helpful? No, 127 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: they really weren't. They really weren't. UM. And this movie 128 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: is considered to be majorly impactful and twelve. The Library 129 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: of Congress chose it to be added to the United 130 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: States National Film Registry for being quote culturally historically, are 131 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: esthetically significant and a lot of people and you listeners 132 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: have expressed how important this movie was in terms of 133 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: what we believed women could do, what a woman was 134 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: and could be, and a lot of people described it 135 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: as an entry point into feminism for them. Several of 136 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: the baseball players we referenced in that episode the Baseball 137 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: also mentioned seeing a league of their own as being 138 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 1: this formative experience and an inspiration for them. But they'd 139 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: never known that history, that seeing women play baseball was powerful. 140 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: It was a great way to tell a story. So 141 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: speaking of the story, let's talk about the plot. UM. 142 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: The main characters are Dottie stoic, no nonsense and her 143 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: husband is away at war in the army. UM Jimmy 144 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: Dugan played by Tom Hanks, who you know has some 145 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: really good iconic lines. Who was their alcoholic team manager? 146 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: Which he has. That's how you introduced his attempts at Stern, 147 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: often softened by his demeanor to so nice. He's just 148 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: the lovable guy. Uh. Then you have May nickname all 149 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: the way May, played by of course Madonna Um, and 150 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: she's sort of the quote bad girl, always making jokes, 151 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes, having sex to all the lu jokes. I 152 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: love her. Rosie o'donald plays Doris, essentially the embodiment of 153 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: quote I'm not having it. And then there's Kit, Dottie's 154 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: younger sister who is sick of being in her shadow, 155 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: played by Lori Petty Yes. And the movie opens with 156 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: formal baseball player Dottie Henson played by Gina Davis, attending 157 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: the opening of an exhibit on the A G P 158 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: B L at the Baseball Hall of Fame after she's 159 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: tried to her talk her way out of it. She 160 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: was very nervous to go, reluctant to go Um, but 161 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: when she gets there, she sees her past friends or colleagues, 162 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: and she reminisces via flashback of her time as a 163 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: player for the rock Ford Peaches, which was one of 164 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: the A A, G P b L teams, one of 165 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: the original founding teams. With World War Two threatening baseball 166 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: in this country, owner of the Harvey Candy Bar Empire, 167 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: he gets this idea. Basically, this rich guy gets this 168 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: idea to put together a women's league to save baseball. UM, 169 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: the person in charge of recruiting played by John Lovice 170 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: Caesar play at a local game. Um and attempts to 171 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: convince her to try out for the league, but Dottie refuses, 172 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: saying she's happy with her life on a farm her husband. 173 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: She's waiting for him to get back. However, her sister 174 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: Kit is very, very excited about this, very eager for 175 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: something new. She wants to get out of their small 176 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: town and she is. She goes for it, but the 177 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: scouting guy tells her she will only be accepted if 178 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: she convinces Dottie to come along. That Dottie has the 179 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: goods and she doesn't. Basically, he's saying that Dottie is 180 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: very pretty and she is not Um. Also, she didn't 181 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: play as well in that particular game that he saw. UM. 182 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: Dottie roulence and agrees for her sister Um. At tryouts, 183 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: they meet the cast of characters all the way May 184 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: Doris Murphy, Betty Spaghetti Horne, Shirley Baker, Ellen sued Gotlander, 185 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: Marla Hooch, and several others, all encompassing a wide swath 186 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: of woman and experiences. Those who are chosen. Um, after 187 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: the tryouts are split to four teams, the Rockford Peaches, 188 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: the Receiving Bells, the Kenosha Comments and the South Bend 189 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: Blue Socks. Right, so the main cast goes on to 190 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: be a part of the Rockford Peaches, managed by Jimmy Dougan, 191 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: unfortunately because he doesn't want to be there, but he's 192 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: doing it because it has to and he can't go 193 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: to war because of his injury. Blah blah blah. Um. 194 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: They have to deal with the chaperone and the annoying 195 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: child of one of the players who was really funny 196 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: I will say who they later grow to tolerate and 197 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: even like. The team is covered by Live magazine and 198 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: there are urged to do something to catch the public 199 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: eye to boost flailing attendance. I love those things, by 200 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: the way. Um, Dottie rises to the challenge catching a 201 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: ball while doing a split in address in a short skirt. Uh. 202 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: And this ends up on the cover, and sure enough, 203 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: more and more people start to attend the games and 204 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: they find success, friendship and commoderie. A. Yeah, they do 205 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: encounter plenty of sexism and paytriarchy all along the way. 206 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: I mean from Marla who was hitting just amazing and 207 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: then when the scout saw her face was like no 208 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: because she wasn't traditionally beautiful and only through a dottie 209 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: and kit refusing to go and like a heartfelt speech 210 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: by her dad did Mary get to go? Um? And 211 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: then yeah, when they see the skirts, the uniforms are like, 212 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: how are these are not baseball uniforms? Are we going 213 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: to play in that? Um? Yeah, priority is given to 214 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: more attractive players. There are jeers that women can't play baseball, 215 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: and of course, yeah, there is no crying in baseball, um, 216 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: which they often challenge head on. I think it's Ellen 217 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: sus Or is a baseball at that guy's really fantastic, 218 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: Like he comes out and does all of this like 219 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: oh I'm just a girl, and then she throws it 220 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: at his head beautiful noximover beautiful. Yes. Um. When the 221 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: league was first founded, the players were forced to attend 222 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: charm school, where they were taught how to wear their makeup, 223 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: how to wear their clothes, how to wear their hair, 224 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: how to act, no drinking or smoking, no dating without 225 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: a chaperone, pretty much no doing anything without chaperone yep um. 226 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: And this was presented as selling femininity, the image of 227 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: the girl next door, particularly to ben overseas, and also 228 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: to prevent anyone from thinking any of the players were 229 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: lesbians heaven for did um, even though many of them were. 230 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: It's never really like in the movie, but true historically. Yes. 231 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: At one point, Rosie o'donnald's character says, people always made 232 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: me feel like I was a weird girl or not 233 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: even a girl, just because I could play. I believed 234 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: them too, but not anymore. I mean, look at there's 235 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: a lot of us, right. And then she tears up 236 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: the picture of her boyfriend and throws it out the window, 237 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: loving it so uh. In the movie, there's a radio 238 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: report and it goes quote careers, and I want to 239 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: try to do it like the woman she was so fantastic, 240 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: But I don't think I can because I don't have 241 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: that disdain. But I'll try. Careers in higher education are 242 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: leading to the masculization of women, with enormously dangerous consequence 243 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: to the home, the children, and our country. When our 244 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: boys come home from war, what kind of girls will 245 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: they be were coming home too. So there's also, of 246 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: course racism, and we did talk a little bit about 247 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: that in our episode about baseball. Black women were not 248 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: allowed to play in the league, and this is briefly 249 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: hinted at, and one of the scenes where a black 250 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: player throws a pitch to a very far away catcher 251 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: and then walks away, and this is supposed to be 252 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: based on Mammy Johnson who we mentioned in our episode. Yes. 253 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: As Dottie becomes the star of the team, Kit fumes 254 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: and their sibling rivalry reaches the point that Kit is 255 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: traded to their scene Bells, which leads to a pretty 256 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: big fight between them. One of the Peaches team members 257 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: leaves after learning her husband died in the war, and 258 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: when Dottie's husband returns injured, she was planning on doing 259 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: the same. However, she changes her mind and returns for 260 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: the World series matchup between the Racine Bells and the 261 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: Rockford Peaches, pitting the sisters Dottie and Kit against each other. 262 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: There were scene Bells. It's a it's a tight game, 263 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: but the scene bells are victorious after Kit ignores the 264 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: sign from the third base coach to play at stafe 265 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: and stay there and knocks her sister over on home 266 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: plate and knocks the ball out of her hands. It's 267 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: such a great scene. And by the way, the husband 268 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: is Bill Pullman, justin case no one knew, and I 269 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: love because he's just on there for like a very blip. 270 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: But I'm like yeah, and they showed him in the 271 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: stands and he's like, that's far. However, the sisters they 272 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: do make up after the game, um, and Dottie returns 273 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: home to the farm to be with her husband. Why 274 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: I'll Kit continues to play most of the other women 275 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: continues to play for a couple of seasons. Um. And 276 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: through this throughout there's like this undercurrent of when the 277 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: men get back from war, it's going to be canceled. Um. 278 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: But uh was his name, Sloan Stein, Sloand's creator. H 279 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: he that guy? Um? He and I was close. I 280 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: was close. Uh. Yeah, he stepped in. He proved, well, 281 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: he didn't prove the women proved, but he he was 282 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: kind of behind the scenes fighting the fight to to 283 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: argue that they should continue once Um, the war was 284 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: over and men came back, and he did for for 285 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: a couple of seasons. UM, and then cut back to 286 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: flashback over the exhibit and they're all kind of like 287 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: talking with each other and like, oh, what are you 288 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: up to these days? Looking at the images? Um. It's 289 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: very sweet. Yeah, it is really sweet. I do love that. Um. 290 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: Mr Harvey, the one who created the game essentially, or 291 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: the teams or the league rather, is played by Gay Marshall. 292 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: You gotta love that, which is the brother of Penny Marshall. Um. 293 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: They're such a great duous feel like. But yeah, I 294 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: did love the beginning scenes because you see reference to 295 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: Dottie and no one knowing who she was because she 296 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: left within the first after the first year, but she 297 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: could have been one of the greatest players. I think 298 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: that's kind of how they described her out of how 299 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: amazing she was mm hmm. But hey, you gotta do 300 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: what you gotta do. Yeah, and we're going to talk 301 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: about that, but first we're gonna pause her quick break 302 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: for from her sponsor and we're back, Thank you sponsor. 303 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, we did want to touch on some themes, 304 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: the first one being feminism. Surprise so women getting sweaty, dirty, 305 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: athletic and are actually talented what and at this time 306 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: there are trailblazers. For many of the characters, baseball was 307 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: away and perhaps the only way to escape boring or 308 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: abusive situations. It was a way for them to have 309 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: a profession, developed their skills and be compensated, and also 310 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: to develop female friendships, which is fantastic. They're at times angry, 311 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: they were sad, they're passionate, they were even lustful Madonna. Um. Yeah, 312 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: And while I was watching this, I I got I 313 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: have never really thought about it before, but it is 314 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: interesting that the especially kind of you know, nostalgic um 315 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: idea of a father's son bonding moment is playing catch, 316 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: like you go out and play catch, and there's not 317 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: really that equivalent with daughter. Um. I would say I 318 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: was probably the most active one among my siblings, and 319 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: my dad and I used to just kick like a 320 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: soccer ball back and forth, so I guess we had 321 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: sort of that thing going. But it is interesting, as 322 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: you say that, because in the characters that you see 323 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: Marla his speech, he says that he treated her like 324 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: a boy and don't know how to treat her like 325 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: a girl after the mom dies, and as in fact, 326 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: you also see Rosie o'donald's father who comes in to 327 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: watch his games say he's coming to see his daughter 328 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: play and he's gonna take her out for a big sake, 329 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: which is exactly kind of that reminiscent mill father's son 330 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: bonding you see, but it's being changed into oh I 331 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: can do this with girls too. Yeah, But that's an 332 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: interesting thing because, like we talked about in our baseball episode, 333 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: there still is this very like baseball is a masculine 334 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: thing and they were kind of breaking gender norms by 335 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: doing it, so like the act in itself is masculinalized. 336 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: So I still feel like it's got this idea of like, oh, 337 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: I can bond with my daughter the way I would 338 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: do with a son. Like it's not like, you know 339 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: what I mean, they're kind of fitting it in to 340 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: the question of how gendered is the way we raise children? Yeah, 341 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: and what do we look at Not that I should 342 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: take away from it thinking if that's what you enjoy, 343 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: that's wonderful, but it doesn't necessarily mean that we should 344 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: limited in that scope. That's a big of a big question. 345 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: I'll leave the phone, um Also, by the way, when 346 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: this came out, we were in the midst of third 347 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: way feminism, so it was kind of like a push 348 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: of hey, look, women did things a long time ago 349 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: and they can still do things. How about that? Yeah, 350 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: this was like, uh, you know Delma Louise also came 351 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: out Buffy the Vampire Slayer Charms, which I could have 352 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: a fun We talked about it, like, which is having 353 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: this resurgence during third weight feminism? Um, so yeah, it 354 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: was a part of that. And then yeah, this idea 355 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: of like ladylikeness versus manliness and how women or gay 356 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: athletes entering a sport demasculinates it. And therefore there's this 357 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: need that we see in the movie to separate women 358 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: with Jesse outfits, to have them go to charm school, 359 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: to paint them as novelty acts, so as to not 360 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: threaten gender roles or the masculinity of the sport. Um 361 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: from Christine Holmond, images of muscular women are disconcerting, even threatening. 362 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: They disrupt the equation of men with strength and women 363 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: with weakness that underpins gender roles and power relations, and 364 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: that has by now come to seem familiar and comforting 365 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: to both women and men, and I wanted to add 366 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: in here. I did not get to talk about this. 367 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a thing yet when 368 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: I did my last of us to review, but I 369 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: talked about how a lot of um dudes game or 370 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: dudes are mad at that game. One of my favorite 371 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: ways they're protesting this game is they're trying to prove 372 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: that one of the main characters, Abby, who is really 373 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: really muscular, um, could not be that muscular. It's impossible 374 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: for her to be that muscular. And they're doing it 375 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: by following what they call the Abby workout, her workout, 376 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: and like taking pictures of their muscles. And I'm like, well, 377 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: I feel like she's had the this fictional character has 378 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: had the last laugh, because you are I mean, you're 379 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: improving yourself, right, you're working out lifting. I mean yeah. 380 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: They were by the image of this muscular woman. They 381 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: believed it was impossible. That they started working out to 382 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: prove it was impossible. So um, all right, UM. And 383 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: I will say that I did read some read the 384 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: ending of this movie as a returning to patriarchal norms, 385 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: that this was kind of like a gender It's just 386 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: like nonconforming period where we're breaking all the norms when 387 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: wartime was happening. Because in their reunion scene they all 388 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: mentioned their husbands. It's like the first thing I did 389 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: eventually stop this kind of you know, weird baseball thing 390 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: I was doing, and I got married and settled down 391 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: and like doing their patriotic duty when the men were 392 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: at war by playing and then leaving as part of 393 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: that when the men returned. Um. So that's that's one 394 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: interpretation I read um baseball as the American pastime. We 395 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: definitely talked about this that much when we did the 396 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: baseball episode, and it occurred to me that both baseball 397 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: and football North American football are the two sports where 398 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: I really can't think of a female equivalent. Um, like 399 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: there is, but you know it's much smaller. They're both American. 400 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: I was gonna say in the female version of the 401 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: football American football, is lingeraid football that was the only 402 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: way they could happen, and I'm like, what the bloody 403 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: hell are you? I could see you censoring yourself and 404 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm that was a pause. But if we do call 405 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: it the American pastime, if it is that, then excluding 406 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: women from it means they aren't part of America's story 407 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: and that transgressing playing baseball, playing this American pastime threatens 408 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: America itself. That steep stuff. And of course, of course, 409 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: because this is what we do. Another favorite part of 410 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: this movie and a theme, is the female friendship. We 411 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: can live and love and help and support each other, 412 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: and this movie elevated that. I love it. So it's 413 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: described in a few places as a buddy movie for 414 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: women and family movie because you know, sisters, you gotta 415 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: love the sister's part um. I think they do a 416 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: great job in telling the stories how they really none 417 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: of them are competing with each other. There's a little 418 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: bit of competition between Dottie that's more familial than anything 419 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: else then gender based. But the rest of them are 420 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: really good at trying to help each other and push 421 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: each other. Of course you do have the catty main 422 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: girl bit a little bit, yeah, but it's not intense. Yeah. 423 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: And I really appreciated how, like, I mean, skill gotta 424 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: recognized skill because I feel like in the beginning, Doris 425 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: and all the way may kind of being braddy to 426 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: Dottie and then she like, show no, I'm good, and 427 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: they immediately You're like, oh no, I gotta I gotta 428 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: meet this person. I gotta know how she does what 429 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: she does. Like seeing that the skills and and the 430 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: areas where the other women excelled, Like, I really liked 431 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: that part of it. That right, they just respected each 432 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: other exactly that when they went through the trials and 433 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: all of them kind of came out together like, Okay, 434 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: we're all pretty good. Cool, cool, cool, we can do this. Um. 435 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: And every time we talk about Madonna in this movie Playground, 436 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: that song comes in at the end of the end 437 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: of the credits she who used to beat my playground? 438 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: Oh I still love that song. I love that song. 439 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, all the films anyway, going back, as 440 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: we were talking about, sisters, Kitty and Dottie step up 441 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: and it is beautiful for Marla after she's deemed as 442 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: not attractive enough to play despite displaying a ridiculous talent 443 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: in her abilities and refusing to get on that train 444 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: and putting their foot down literally and say we're not 445 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: leaving without her. I love that. Yeah, And there's a 446 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: lot of examples of that throughout the film. Another one 447 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: is one of the players can't read, another one steps 448 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: up to to help her and does it like in 449 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: a really kind and gentle, empathetic way. And then Madonna 450 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: later we see Madonna all the way may teaching her 451 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: how to read a porno. I believe it is a 452 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: romantic novel. How dare you? You're right? I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 453 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: I gotta get these facts correct. Um. Yeah, just touching 454 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: examples throughout of them looking out for each other. Um. 455 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: And then yes, sisterhood. Um, that is a very big 456 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: theme throughout. Um, this rivalry between Kit and Dottie, where 457 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: Kit feels like, um, she's living in her sister's shadow, 458 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: and you do see that. I mean, she's not wrong 459 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: being told she's not as pretty, she's not as talented. 460 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: And then Dottie kind of doing the older sister thing 461 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 1: where she's very like always giving her tips, always kind 462 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: of critiquing her kindly, but like you know, always always 463 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: got to know it all. Yeah. Um, but yeah, and 464 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: I loved I loved that as well. I was worried 465 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: when I read. I didn't know that there's like a 466 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: sister drama in this, and I was like, oh no, 467 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: it isn't going to be super catty. And I mean 468 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: it got pretty intense, but it was never as bad 469 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: as I thought he was going to get right. Yeah, 470 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: and you know they in the end, Kit did what 471 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: she thought was right and she well it paid off 472 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: for her. Yeah. I always thought, though I didn't know 473 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: for sure, like do you think Dottie did it on purpose? 474 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: I wondered that. I don't know for sure, but I 475 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: always had this back of my head, like did she 476 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: accidentally or did she actually drop it on purpose? Yeah, 477 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought about it too. I think 478 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: she accidentally, um, because otherwise, I mean I'd be really 479 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: cutting for Kit to find out later. They seem like 480 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: the type that just respected good competition. But also it's possible. 481 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: I did think it too. I mean, like Dotty knowing 482 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: this was her last game leaving and then trying to 483 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: help her sister, maybe she felt like she owed her. Yeah, no, 484 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: it's definitely possible. Um. I also thought that when she 485 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: gave Ellen Sue a tip. At first, I was like, oh, 486 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: is that to help Kit? But then I realized no, 487 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,959 Speaker 1: that's what she said in the beginning. Yeah, um, oh 488 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: that was going after her for sure. Yeah. There was 489 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: no mercy on that one. Yeah, but I, like I 490 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: thought their relationship was really fleshed out and I could 491 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: connect with as someone with siblings. They're no sisters, Um, 492 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: I can connect with those kind of dynamics. Oh yeah, 493 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: I have a sister and she was adorable, you know, 494 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: perfect blonde, small, cheerful woman. And then me coming in 495 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: coming in literally the adopted girl, um, under her shadow. 496 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: I can definitely feel that in comparison to how am I. 497 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with my sister, has everything 498 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: to do with my own and securities. And I get 499 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: relate to Kit on that and that childishness to want 500 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: to prove themselves as beyond and just as good, if 501 00:29:54,360 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: not better. Yeah, yeah, um. And I liked how um 502 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: did you know Tom Hanks's famous line is there's no 503 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: crying in baseball? But in the end, like, um, he 504 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: kind of gets to replay the scene and doesn't yell 505 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: at her when she's tearing up. But then also Kit 506 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: has that moment that Dottie sees where she's sort of 507 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: like tearing up and upset and people are kind of 508 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: being supportive of her. So um, it was nice, nice 509 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: to see. I loved it good yea. Um, And we 510 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: did want to talk about the legacy of this movie 511 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: a little bit before we close. Out here. But first 512 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna pause for one more quick break for a 513 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsoring. 514 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: So in a Bitch Media article called thanks to Sexism, 515 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: we still need a leak of their own twenty five 516 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: years later by Brittany Data Crate says um. She details 517 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: how many women and girls in baseball still faced the 518 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 1: sexism depicted in this movie, down to being outright mocked, um, undermined, 519 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: and laughed at. She cites the reporting sports journalist Jessica 520 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: Luther around they recently established girls travel Baseball, formed by 521 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,959 Speaker 1: dads and daughters interested in playing the sport, and they 522 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: encountered all kinds of nonsense, boys teams dropping out of 523 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: tournaments when they learned they'd have to play against girls, 524 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: to the point they'd enter only the first initial and 525 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: the last name on the g T P roster to 526 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: hide the gender of the players. Um, grown men heckling them. Um, 527 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: real nice. The MLB didn't ban the practice of hazing 528 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: rookies by making them wear the A A G P 529 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: B l outfits until um, of course he's from mail 530 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: mail rookies, So that's pretty recent, right, And baseball players 531 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: just still seen as men, as are the fans. Women's 532 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: clothing is still police, not just in baseball, but in 533 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: others boards as well and in general. Um Gina Davis 534 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: shared in interviews that the actors would be covered in 535 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: scrapes and bruises because they lacked the protection playing that 536 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: men's clothes would have offered them. I mean, just the 537 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: scenes of them, they had that whole little montage of 538 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: all of the injuries they had. I was like, I 539 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: wasn't paying looking at that. I could not imagine because 540 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: you were thinking, Okay, so they're expected to play like this, 541 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: but that they get hit with balls and such, they 542 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: don't have any covering on them. They're just literal flesh 543 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: that gets hit by something. Yeah what Yeah, they weren't 544 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: even wearing helmets. I don't but helmets weren't being used 545 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: at that point. I guess in any baseball wouldn't. Yeah, 546 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: I mean it's one of those things were in a 547 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: weird way. It feels almost um and I put heavy 548 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: quotes on this, but like tougher, Like they had to 549 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: be tougher than now players because they were being forced 550 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: to wear these outfits. Um And like I can just 551 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: imagine because I've had that like sliding into home base 552 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: a couple of times without you know, like in short 553 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: or something, and it hurts. And like the pause that 554 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: I would take in my brain knowing this is gonna hurt, 555 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: it can cost you a game because like you're that minute, 556 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: like split second of oh god, this is gonna hurt. Um. 557 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: So I'm sure it affected gameplay. No, um, and I am. 558 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm very interested to see what the Amazon Prime show 559 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: will be like. I'm excited. I'm excited about what that's 560 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: gonna be like. And by the way, um, I don't know, 561 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know this until looking it up, but Dolores 562 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: Lee was an extra in the movie who is an 563 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: a a g p p L player. She was a 564 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: former player and she was in the stands and one 565 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: of the things I'll have to go back and look 566 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: for her, but she was actually in the movie as well, 567 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: and they do give credit to her, which is nice 568 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: to see. But I'm really excited to see what the 569 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: show could look like that it looks like a lot 570 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: of good actual storytelling, so as opposed to the movie, 571 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: like you do see a lot of historical things, but 572 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: they bring in a lot more depth. I guess you 573 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: need TV series. But I'm excited to see what that 574 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: looks like. Yeah, yeah, me too. Um And I guess 575 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: in closing, this movie has a lasting legacy, and it 576 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: inspired a new wave of players of events honoring players 577 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: from the movie. But we still have a long way 578 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 1: to go. Um, and I'm I'm happy to see some 579 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: of that progress being made. One of the actors from 580 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: the film, Megan Kavanagh, told the Chicago Tribune. I hear 581 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: it all the time. People say we watched the movie 582 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: on the bus on the way to our games. So 583 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: many girls say if it wasn't for that movie, they 584 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't have played ball. What more can you ask for? Yeah, 585 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: I mean I still watch it as a punk get 586 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 1: pumped movie sometimes. I told you this was my movie, 587 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: one of my movies to watch while the election was 588 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: happening and giving myself some hope. Um, and just really 589 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: for a different turnout. And I don't know, I guess 590 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: maybe this year, Anny, you wanna, you wanna join me 591 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: for my get pumped movies? Yes, okay, so this is 592 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: this is gonna be my tradition. So I'm gonna be 593 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: watching the league of their own. I think last time 594 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: I watched that enough, First Wives Club whichever made you 595 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,439 Speaker 1: watch before, And I don't know why First Wives Club, 596 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: but it just made me feel like because well I 597 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: think actually I do know why now that I thing 598 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: about it. Um anyway, Um, but just kind of like 599 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: in hopes that women can just be on top after 600 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: being wronged so many times. That was kind of that theme. 601 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, we'll have to let's look into that another 602 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: movie to it. Yeah, I'll I'll think if I have 603 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: any movies like that, I'm sure do. Um And if 604 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: you listeners, if you have any movies for that list, oh, 605 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: please send them to us, um and also let us 606 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: know what our next movie pick should be. You can 607 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: email us at Stephidia mom Stuff at ihart media dot com. 608 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 1: You can find us on Instagram at Stuff I've Never 609 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,959 Speaker 1: Told You are on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast. Thanks 610 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: as always to a super producer, Andrew Howard. 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