1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,120 Speaker 1: Weekly Zitgeist. Uh. These are some of our favorite segments 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: from this week, all edited together into one uh NonStop 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: infotainment laugh stravaganza. Uh So, without further ado, here is 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: the Weekly Sitgeist. Before we get into the news stories 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: of the day, we usually like to ask our guest 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: for a media myth, something that people, the national shared 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: consciousness of the species or just like of the nation 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: believes that you think is incorrect. Um, okay, here's here's 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: a battle that's been going on. Uh, people thinking that 11 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: is not cold when it's cold. We live in Los Angeles. Yeah, 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: we got beautiful weather. Yes, at nighttime we get that 13 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: high desert. Sometimes it's like forty grease and you're walking 14 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: with somebody from the East Coast and in cold shaming 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: because you're cold, and it's like it's cold, Like I 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: don't care if you grew up in snow. I didn't 17 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: grow up in snow. Snow it also be cold. And 18 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: he was in Hell, it'll be hot. I'm from the South. 19 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: I've lived in very hot areas. But if we in Hell, 20 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be like, man, it ain't hot from Yeah, 21 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: it's like shut up, like and it's like, like that's 22 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: one thing that that pisces me off when people call 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: shame Like it's forty eight degrees. I'm walking out here 24 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: in a thin hoodie. I'm cold. I'm I'm shivering. No, 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm not about to die oft frost bike. No it's 26 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: not Everest. No, it's not Everest College. But I'm I'm cold. Like, 27 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: let me be cold, man Like, they don't make me weak. 28 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: I think that's just a way for people who are transplants. 29 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: They get to feel like, you know, a little bit 30 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: of press back where I'm from. You know, that's been 31 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: true everywhere I've lived. I've lived everywhere in America. There's 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: always somebody who is proud that they're like wearing shorts 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: in December. They're like, you know, the cold doesn't bother me. 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: It's state of mind. Bro, It's just like, shut the 35 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: funk up. I just retweeted this tweet by Bella K. 36 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: Martinez to uh that she was like Southerners, snow is 37 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: so pretty Northerners, this isn't even a real snow. Just 38 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: you wait. I was born Iglu and I drove to 39 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: school on a snowmobile. Wheat ice for every meal. I 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: can't wait to die in a snowbank warp. Never heard 41 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: of it. It's like, that's how people from the northeast like, yeah, 42 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: I knew a couple of people from Massachusetts who that 43 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: was their claim to fame. Was really yeah, that's so 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: funny because I was in Boston last December. I was 45 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: doing a video piece somewhere at M I T or whatever, 46 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: and I was walking through the campus. There were kids 47 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: straight up in like they had just come out of 48 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: the gym in wet T shirt, like sweat T shirt 49 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: and shorts, and We're just like, oh, yeah, this is great, right, 50 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: And I'm out here with the fucking park on with 51 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: scarves and mitten shivering and yeah, and and they look 52 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,959 Speaker 1: at you like you're freak. Yeah. We did an article 53 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: about things white people don't understand, and I did research 54 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: into stereotypes about white people. The white people don't know 55 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: our stereotypes and not dressing well enough for the weather 56 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: was one of the stereotypes of white people that like, 57 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: white people will just wear shorts and like really cold weather. 58 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: That was like a funny vine that was going around. 59 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: It's like white people when it gets cold it's like 60 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: a woman eating ice cream. Like it's like like, oh, 61 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: it's great outside, and then they pan over reveal black dude, 62 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: like there was a terror attack this morning. But that 63 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: was not our president's first tweet of the day. Rather, 64 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: it was his response to, Uh, this amazing New York 65 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: Times article that came out over the weekend might have 66 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: come out on Friday, but it was actually printed it. 67 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: It was their front page article yesterday and the Sunday Times. Uh. 68 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: In the actual paper paper version, because I was on vacation, 69 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: I read paper paper versions of newspapers and I'm on vacation, 70 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: and uh. In the paper it was called President versus 71 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: the Presidency, but that's I don't think what it was 72 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: called in the online version. But it was just sort 73 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: of a a run through of like a day in 74 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: the life of Donald Trump during the first year of 75 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: his presidency. And he wanted to let people know that 76 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: he doesn't watch that much TV. This morning and his 77 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: first tweet of the day. But because because that's where 78 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: the president started, that's where we're going to start. We'll 79 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: get to the terror tag a little later on um. 80 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: But so among the highlights, uh, he drinks twelve diet 81 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: cokes a day, uh, and watches anywhere from four to 82 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 1: eight hours of TV a day. Um. There's this great 83 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: moment where they talk about not just the rumor that 84 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: he watches a lot of TV, but his response to 85 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: the rumor. So during his trip to Asia, Uh, he 86 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: was handed a fact check sheet that mentioned, uh, you 87 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,119 Speaker 1: know this fact that he watches four day eight hours 88 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: of TV a day. And so during like the press 89 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: where the media, he goes back and sits with the 90 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: media on air Force one or they come up and 91 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: hang with him. Uh. Somebody asked him a question about 92 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: Roy Moore, and his response was, believe it or not. 93 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: Even when I'm in Washington and New York, I do 94 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: not watch much television. People that don't know me, they 95 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: like to say, I watched television people with fake sources, 96 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, fake reporters, fake sources. But I don't get 97 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: to watch much television primarily because of documents. I'm reading 98 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: documents a lot. I actually read much more. I read, 99 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: you people, much more than I watch the TV. I 100 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: haven't been able to devote very much time to it. Uh. Hey, 101 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: I read documents. I'm too busy reading these uh documents. Well, 102 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: I'm reading PaperWorks. They put words on the pieces. I 103 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: don't watch the electronic flipbook. Um. I love. It's like 104 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: the press is asking him, sir, did you get a 105 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: d in history? Sir? Did you get a D minus 106 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: in history? I did not get enough in algebra, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, 107 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: we're asking you about a separate failure. The question we 108 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: were asking you was about a separate fault. Uh. My 109 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: favorite quote from the article is uh. Is not not 110 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: a quote that he said, but just the way the 111 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: article is written. They say uh to an extent that 112 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,119 Speaker 1: would stunt outsiders. Mr Trump, the most talked about human 113 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: on the planet, is still delighted when he sees his 114 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: name in the headlines, and he is on a perpetual 115 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: quest to see it there. One former top advisor said 116 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: Mr Trump grew uncomfortable after two or three days of 117 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: peace and could not handle watching the news without seeing 118 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: himself on it. So you know when it seems like, wow, 119 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: we're actually having moments where Trump isn't dominating the headlines, 120 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: and then he suddenly like surges back to the headlines 121 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: by doing something crazy that is by design. He is 122 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: like whoa Trump has not been making people completely terrified 123 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: or angry on a like daily basis for a while. 124 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,679 Speaker 1: So and his addiction to it, to twit are basically 125 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: in like social media, that feedback loop of like I 126 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: do the thing, and then I get likes or retweets. 127 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: It's permeated into like, Okay, now I've conquered Twitter. Now 128 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: go another level. I guess World News, which is like 129 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: the ultimate Twitter, and I can just be like, I'm 130 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: gonna say one thing. Oh now look at me, I'm 131 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: back on the back on the pages. What's interesting to 132 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: about that? There's another line from that article about how 133 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: he'll even call people up when he thinks he has 134 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: a fire tweet, and one of it says in June, 135 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: according to a long time advisor, he excitedly called friends 136 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: to say he had the perfect tweet to neutralize the 137 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: Russia investigation. He called it a quote which hunt. They 138 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: were unimpressed. So we want to get right into sex 139 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: crim watch ak men and that's the rest. Yeah, keep 140 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: talking about keep talking Mario Batali. How surprised are we 141 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: by this? Not? Very super Producer Anna Josnier was saying 142 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: that she saw his appearance on the untitled Action Bronson 143 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: project and that he was just all sorts of sort 144 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: of out of his mind, just I don't know, all 145 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: over the place. Uh. And so she wasn't surprised by it. 146 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: But Miles, you were saying you weren't surprised by it 147 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: for another reason. Well, no, I mean I just I 148 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: have I have friends at work in restaurants, and I 149 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: know how they like to blow steam off, like especially 150 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: after work. Uh. And I've also read Kitchen Confidential, which 151 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: was my first glimpse into like kitchens, and these dudes 152 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: fucking are wild, Like they're doing drugs, they drink all 153 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: the time. They're like not that they're evil people, but 154 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: these aren't people who are like they're not trying to 155 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: conduct business in an over like an overly professional way. 156 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: Like they're just dudes who are in the back of 157 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: a hot room all day and like there's no rules, 158 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: so consuming and making things and yeah, absolutely, And also 159 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: when you look at it too, like they're like after 160 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: like looking into this a little bit more, the hospitality 161 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: industry has like the highest reported incidences of sexual harassment. 162 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: Like there's no one other industry that comes close. Right, 163 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: So this is interesting because I think we've talked about, 164 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, is this sort of movement going to be 165 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: just a Hollywood thing, And I mean, I guess you 166 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: could say it still is because Batali is sort of 167 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: a Hollywood chef. But um, that's a crazy statistic that 168 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: there are industries and the restaurant industry being the top one. 169 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: There's of employees. There's a restaurant workers advocacy group that's 170 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: that has a like based on some of their research, 171 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: they found that eight percent of workers in the restaurant 172 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: industry report being sexually harassed. Eighty percent. That is absurd. Yeah, yeah, 173 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: it's like totally normal. It's like it's almost a normalized 174 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: part of our culture that we have until now, just 175 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: totally right being okay, I mean, if you want our 176 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: ancient media, like say it in the nineties or even before, 177 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: like the idea like the figure of a waitress in 178 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: pop culture, a waitress in particular is just always like 179 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: a butt to be slapped or like a face to 180 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: put buttons on a vest and then you get to 181 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: look at her tips because there's buttons on her bt. 182 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: Like even in media, which seems to be like as 183 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: a discussion, is this this only a Hollywood thing? Like 184 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: Hollywood portrays that industry as a Dana sexual and the 185 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: reality is painfully, terrifyingly true and as scary as a 186 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: Weinstein is, and he's a fucking monster scary guy. Like 187 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: there are Weinstein's that like every Applebee's, Chilies, t g 188 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: I Fridays and like drive in diner anywhere like it, 189 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: or at least eight of them. Right, Yeah, it's a 190 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: horrifying it's a in such an intense industry. There's a 191 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: study I don't remember who did it or where it was, 192 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: but I believe that I remember it that the two 193 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: most stressful professions by just measurable stress level are like 194 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: surgeon and server. Those are the two that the the 195 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: how hard you work in the restaurant industry goes so 196 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: underappreciated that almost how hard you suck goes under appreciate. 197 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: Like nobody sees it. Nobody sees how hard you're working. 198 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: Nobody sees, uh, how dark and kind of gross it 199 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: can get. It's just you know, I guess tip next 200 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: time you go out, because somebody got her butt padded 201 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: or worse to bring you that ranch dressing. Well, yeah, 202 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: it seems like they're even in some of the other 203 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: articles about sort of the harassment in the industry too. 204 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: It's like it's also kind of a regular story for 205 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: service to be trapped in the walk in constantly. So yeah, 206 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see what how like this, Like you said, 207 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: if in the beginning we thought it was like limited 208 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: to Hollywood, and I guess, but Holly is some extension 209 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: of that. But we'll see like that, I hope that 210 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: this creates an actual sea change or cultural shift in 211 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: that industry, not only not just Hollywood, but Hollywood is 212 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: reflecting what's happening in the rest of the world. So 213 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: the same way, I mean, as a person in comedy, 214 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: this is a crazy thing to keep looking at. But 215 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: the same way, there was a machine around Louis c 216 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: k to make it okay for him to jerk off 217 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: and for of women and then lie about it. That 218 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: is a reflection of the machine that keeps your garbage 219 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: shift leader there at your garbage restaurant job, even though 220 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: he's done creepy ship to every girl on staff. The 221 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: same machine is working. Don't complain. It's easier if you 222 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: don't complain. I don't know where a different shirt. He 223 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: hate wear green. He hates green like that Hollywood didn't 224 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: invent that it didn't come from here, that was the world, 225 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: and then Hollywood use that model and it there's too 226 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: much light shining here and the show biz and it 227 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: shined on some darkness, and that darkness is revealing that 228 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't. It's everywhere, everywhere is darkness. And I guess 229 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: the question is will people in other other industries have 230 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: a mechanism for reporting these people, because the reason that 231 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: this sort of sea change is happening in Hollywood is 232 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: because they're able to, you know, get media attention because 233 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: these are famous people behaving like monsters. If it's your 234 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: shift manager at Applebee's, then uh, you know who is 235 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: going to give enough of the union you report? Right? 236 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: Oh wait wait wait unions? Yeah, more gravy were democracy. 237 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: First off, Roy Moore uh called and you know issued 238 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: he was like, congratulations on this great Oh no, no, 239 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: he said. He was like, nah, the Lord will provide. 240 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: I can't have possibly lost this election. Yeah, that's a 241 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: wild one where he was like God will decide, right. 242 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: God decided right. But see that's how God works. In Alabama, 243 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: was like, if it's not on your side, then it 244 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: can't be God. But isn't the whole Christian mantra like 245 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: God's plan. So it's like, Roy, this was God's plan? 246 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: Did he actually said that in his thing? He was like, 247 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: but the one thing we know is whatever happens, it 248 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: is God's plan. I was like, Yo, it happened that 249 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: God is Yeah, Um would not like that. He's not 250 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: a fan of this version of God. Are they going 251 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: to do a recount? I mean, like, is that there's 252 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: not enough you would have to pay for it? So 253 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: if it's under a half a percentage point, they will 254 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: automatically do a recount. If it's over that, then the 255 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: person who's requested the account has to actually pay for it. Uh. 256 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,599 Speaker 1: And you know, and he won by one and a 257 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: half percent. One by one and a half percent, Okay, 258 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: but he could he I mean, there's enough money in 259 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: the gop as we know that he could. Yeah. Are 260 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: they ready to be done? I think they're done with it? Yeah. 261 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: I think I think everybody was like that was embarrassing. Well, 262 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: and also they're like, thank God, because we don't then 263 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: have to be like, so what you wanna do about 264 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: this pedophile in the Senate, Like they don't have to 265 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: do that anymore. It's like Okay, we'll figure it out. 266 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: So you think when they were like, well, let the 267 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: people have Alabama decide, Mitch McConnell's secretly was like, please 268 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: like it the right way. I don't think so. I 269 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: think he give me this pedophile. I think he just 270 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: said he didn't want to be so overtly against him 271 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: that he just he dibbed it back to being ambiguous. 272 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: So that way, when Steve Bannon tries to attack him, 273 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: he's like, you see music, and we'll get into all that, 274 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: because that's there's so many dimensions of of the GOP. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 275 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: The best was horse Twitter, flaming him for not knowing 276 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: how to ride that horse. Yeah, They're like, they're like, 277 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: he's holding the reins wrong, the horse looks confused. I 278 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: was picturing him like riding it backwards, like facing the 279 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: ass of the horse. I UM. My favorite tweet on 280 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: this was from Andy Zeisler. She said, guys, of course 281 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: the sex predator doesn't take no for an answer, which 282 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: I thought was pretty much right on point. Um, yeah, 283 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: he's not one an then also not taking no for 284 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: an answer. Fox News was but their immediate reaction was yeah, 285 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: but see Roy moore was a flawed candidate. This result 286 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: is very specifically based on his character, not a repudiation 287 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: of Trump or a shift towards Democrats in the state. Um, 288 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: which is fine. That's like a very specific response to that. Well, yeah, 289 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: but Fox News is meant to be like the channel 290 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: you go to to figure out, like to tell tell 291 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: me it's going to be okay. Like if you're a GOP, 292 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: if you know, if you're a Republican and you're really 293 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: like shook up about this, you kind of need Fox 294 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: to be like, don't worry man. And this guy was 295 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: like what they they said, I think uniquely flawed is 296 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: one thing I heard many times yesterday, And I was like, motherfucker, 297 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: you mean he's an accused pedophile. Like don't don't like, 298 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: you know, obscure that by calling him. I think it's 299 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: good for the Democrats though, to like basically Fox News 300 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: is being like take your bottle to sleep, like and 301 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: we and like that didn't happen when Trump, you know, 302 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: like everyone was enraged when yeah, we're just like we 303 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: fucked that up. Yeah, really bad. We didn't take a bottle. Um, 304 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: so but we cried. But it's like that's great. I 305 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: hope you guys go with the rhetoric that like, oh no, 306 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: we're fine, we're fine, we're fine, we're fine, we're fine, 307 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: We're fine, we're fine, we're fine. More fine, we're fine. 308 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: He was a pedophile, We're fine, because it's like, well, 309 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: then that's how, that's how you can sneak in and 310 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: take some seats. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, they got to 311 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: figure out how they're going to market themselves. This is 312 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: sort of how the cycle goes, right. The people who 313 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: one are sort of passive, and you know, I believe 314 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: that they have things in the bag, and that continues 315 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: until they suffer some catastrophic defeat, at which point they 316 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: wake up and you know, yeah, like you said, giving 317 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: themselves the bottle. And I also don't like that there's 318 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: people being like it should have been by a bigger march, 319 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: and it's like, shut up, we want the pedophile loss. 320 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,199 Speaker 1: Can't you just like be happy? And every I was 321 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: like sitting as the pulse closed, being like he's gonna win, 322 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: you know, like it was astounding that one, so like 323 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: let's just take the victory and like stop counting the 324 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: tiny pieces about let's thank black women and then and 325 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: it will never be a perfect and it would be 326 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: a perfect victory, you know what I mean. I think 327 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: people only wanted like Doug Jones, like, then there we go. 328 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: He wouldn't He would have dropped out of the race 329 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: if he thought he didn't have a chance. So um, 330 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: and Trump has been like, see, this is why I 331 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: said it should have been Luther Strange and not Roally Moore. Uh. 332 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: So you know, well we'll get more into his response. 333 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: And what this means for Trump is um going forward. 334 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: So we will be right back. Someone from one of 335 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: our favorite websites, right wing Watch, Jared Holt, who works 336 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: for them, uh, is here with us to talk about 337 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: a little bit about the alt right. Uh. And what's 338 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: you know, we want to get the temperature of what's 339 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: going on in the land of Peppie the Frog. Um. So, 340 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: Jared are you there? You were there right? Hello? Yeah, 341 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: Hey Miles, what's up? How are you? How are you? 342 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: And you're also here with Jack just so you know, 343 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: so there's two people doing this. Um. So yeah, I mean, 344 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: obviously we wanted to talk to you because right wing 345 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: Watch is a very great website. Intoll for us, because 346 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: we would like to keep track of all the things 347 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: going on. But can you tell us a little bit 348 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: about what you do at right Wing Watch and sort 349 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: of what your role is there in terms of the 350 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: alt right. Yeah, so, uh, my role with right wing 351 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 1: watches to research and sort of monitor the movements and 352 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: the narratives coming out of the fringes of right wing media. 353 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: In My specialty in particular is uh social media and 354 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: new media, which, as I'm sure a lot of your 355 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: listeners have heard and if they haven't, has been grossly 356 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: taken over by the far right um and what has 357 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: become known as the alt right. Awesome, So, I guess 358 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: you could say you're a bit of an expert. You've 359 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: been following h this group for a minute now. Yeah, 360 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: it's been a couple of years. Uh. They sort of 361 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: first got on my radar after gamer Gate, which was 362 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: this big online movement that ended up harassing a lot 363 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: of female journalists who covered video games and different video 364 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: game designers um for introducing more women and progressive characters, 365 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: and that was were the starting gun to all of 366 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: this online. Uh. And so it's been on my radar then, 367 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: and then a couple of years ago is when I 368 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: really decided to sink my teeth in, uh, and start 369 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: watching it full time. And when that happened with Gamergate 370 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: was I know that at that point it was mostly 371 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: focused on misogyny and you know the fact that women 372 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: were infiltrating the gaming community, and uh, what were their 373 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: right wing politics attached to that rage at that point? Uh, 374 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: a little bit. It was mostly this motive and we 375 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: can talk about this later that fuels this movement, which 376 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: is the idea that social justice activist or who they 377 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: call social justice warriors are somehow taking over the institutions 378 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: they love. In this case, as trivial as it sounds, 379 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: it was video games. Um. But then when when Trump 380 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: came along, they saw that as a chance to get 381 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: it into politics too. Yeah. I mean we we've talked 382 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: before on the show that Steve Bannon was doing a 383 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: separate business venture where he was like trying to make 384 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: money mining for gold and world World of Warcraft, and 385 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: he came across this sort of gamer Gate community and 386 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: was like, Wow, there might be a way to politicize 387 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: all this energy. Um. So it was it was like 388 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: a conscious decision on on their part. Yeah, it was this. 389 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: It was this huge movement and Steve Bannon, uh, was 390 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: one of the first people, uh to really take advantage 391 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: and start pumping at mainstream even after the white supremacist 392 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: crowd uh saw it happening and decided they wanted to 393 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 1: use it for their movement to uh you know, just 394 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: this online culture of like ship posting and just trolling 395 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: people and stuff. They thought like, hey, this is a 396 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: useful weapon and defeating social justice warriors, so we can 397 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: get these people on our side and use them for 398 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: our advantage. Have you seen, like obviously Doug Jones one 399 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: yesterday and Alabama. Have you just from what you've been seeing, 400 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 1: like in the lead up to the election, what has 401 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: sort of been the alt right stance in terms of 402 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: of Roy Moore or and now in the wake of 403 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: the loss, has there been any kind of shifting of 404 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: positions or anything like that. Um. So, one of the 405 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: uh core like pillars of the alt right is this 406 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: attempt to discredit mainstream media and what they see as 407 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: a liberal order, a liberal establishment. So they wanted Roy 408 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: morris Win simply to counter that establishment. They were all 409 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 1: totally aware of the pedophilia allegations. Uh, and you know, 410 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: we're doing their own thing to try to discredit them. Um. 411 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: But in the end it didn't really matter to them 412 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: because they just wanted to send a message. Um. Now, 413 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: since Roy Moore lost, Uh, the four Chans and eight 414 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: Chans of the world just went into complete meltdown. Uh 415 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: there's kind of this uh all hope is lost, and 416 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: then another vein of sentiment going on that uh, you know, 417 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: Roy Moore was always crazy and wasn't really one of us, 418 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter. And uh, probably one of the 419 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: bigger narratives is that the mainstream media like teamed up 420 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: with the GOP to character assassinate the guy. And so 421 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: they're sort of mourning the loss in a couple of 422 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: different ways, uh, slowly going through the grieving process today. 423 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: So there their conspiracy is that the Washington Post and 424 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: the mainstream like Mitch McConnell's of the world got together 425 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: and found these women and like concocted this whole story 426 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: of Roy Moore being a pedophile. It's interesting because they 427 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: will concoct um conspiracy theories about pedophilia to like discredit 428 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: the Democrats, but when there's an actual pedophilia, they will 429 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: uh concoct conspiracy theories to ignore it, which I mean 430 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: there there was this whole thing Pizza Gate, where they 431 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: believed that there was a pizza restaurant where high powered 432 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: democrats were molesting children. Um. But uh, is there are 433 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: there the underground tunnels? You can't forget that. And I'll say, 434 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: I have been to that restaurant just to have pizza, 435 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: and there is no basement. So the tunnels thing really 436 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: got me on Pizza Gate. But show you show you 437 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: the level of discourse we're dealing with. UM. So, are 438 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: are there any myths about the alt right? Things that 439 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: you think the collective consciousness has wrong about the alt 440 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 1: right or the story of how they came to be? Um? 441 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: I think that there's a few things. I think one 442 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: is that Richard Spencer still holds any sort of prominence 443 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: in the alt right. He was extremely fundamental and lining 444 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 1: out the core and setting the tone and the mission 445 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: for the alt right going forward, and was one of 446 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,959 Speaker 1: the main ones who helped bring it online. But when 447 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 1: he got punched in the face on Inauguration Day, they 448 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: all kind of abandoned him. And I have speculated that 449 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: he's like a deep state operative who's meant to smear 450 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: their movement and everything. So um. And another one is 451 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of things that aren't necessarily 452 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: all right get called all right, um, and that really 453 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: discredits the term because what happened after Trump's election is 454 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: we saw the alt right shatter into all these different movements. 455 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: There's the New Right, the Proud Boys, uh, Chad nationalist traditionalists, um, 456 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: and went from this larger movement of people all banded 457 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: together to help elect Trump all these different fractured movements 458 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: that just went to the furthest extremes of the ideology 459 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: that they thought was most important that the alt right embodied. 460 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: So can you um talk about Chad nationalists because that 461 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: was one of the more interesting, uh sort of sub 462 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: subspecies we came across tracking the news cycle. Oh yeah, 463 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: Chad nationalism. Uh, where to start on this one? So 464 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: imagine your typical nationalism, uh, you know, wanting to uh 465 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: serve the interest of a nation first. Uh so leading 466 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: to policies that are anti immigrant, uh, leading to a 467 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: foreign policy that's very uh non interventional, but then hand 468 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: it to some like super buff gym rats uh and 469 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: then also crank their heads full of all these misogynistic views, 470 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 1: and you've got Chad nationalist. So these guys like to 471 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: toss around the term soy boy as an insult because 472 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: part of this, uh, what these guys believe is that 473 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: if you eat too much soy products, it'll boost your 474 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: estrogen and feminize you. And as like as like the 475 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: insecure gym rats that they are not say all gym 476 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: rats are insecure, but these people are definitely insecure. You know. 477 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: That's like the worst thing that could possibly happen. It's 478 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: a very like homo erotic sort of we we went 479 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: to a website where they had all these pictures of 480 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: like the ideal Like Chad is basically a name they 481 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: came up with for like the ideal uh sort of 482 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: white nationalist dude who like is that They're like he's 483 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: a sexy hero who lifts weights and like is a 484 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: hero to women. And they had like all those pictures 485 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: of like Colonel Schwarzenegger and like, you know these eighties 486 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: like homo erotic male body builder types that they were 487 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: like these are great examples of like who a chat 488 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: nationalist should try to be. Um just a very strange subculture. 489 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: Is there anything aside from like the idea of like 490 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: hyper masculinity that like ideologically separates them from other groups 491 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: or their whole main thing is like, look, we're fucking ripped. 492 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: All the ladies want to fun and we hate immigrants. 493 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: Like is that sort of the platform or is it 494 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 1: or is there something like even more specific, like he's like, well, 495 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: actually are also very fiscally conservative. Um, honestly, I think 496 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: you got it man, Okay, perfect, So that that's good. 497 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: I want to make sure I'm reading the tea leaves correctly. 498 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: Proud Boys is an interesting one because they add the 499 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: idea of like you don't masturbate right to Yeah. So 500 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: there's different levels of being a proud boy. There's like 501 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: four tiers, so for people for listeners that don't know. Uh. 502 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: Gavin mckinnis, who's a popular right wing media personality, came 503 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: up with this idea is to create a fraternity for 504 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: guys that support Trump. There again, maybe not Chad nationalist. 505 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: There could be some crossover, but it's still that same 506 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: hyper masculinity boys club idea, um, and that women should 507 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: be subservant and so on. But so in order I'll 508 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: just stick you through the four levels of being a 509 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: proud boy. So the first level is that you have 510 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: to public to clare on social media or whatever. That 511 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: you're a proud Western chauvinist and a member of the 512 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: Proud Boys. The second tier is that no less than 513 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: five already initiated Proud Boys repeatedly punch you until you 514 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: can name five breakfast cereals. So they're punching you and 515 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: you're trying, well, you're being punched. You're trying to prove 516 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: that your brain can work well enough that you can 517 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: name five breakfast cereals while they're beating the ship out 518 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: of you. Essentially, oh yeah, it's like being beat into 519 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: a gang, but with a third serial fucking lamest weak 520 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: as version. Hey home, we won't jump you, and we'll 521 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: punch you until you can name five cereals. Like you, 522 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: you can prepare for that beat down. You could be like, 523 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like go checks, kicks, R Crispy treats, 524 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: honey cereals like yeah, but they like, I'm good, I'll 525 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: eat those. Welcome to the Proud Boys, yeah, and then 526 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: thank you. Okay, So that's level two. I would actually 527 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: just for any aspiring Proud Boys checks, rice, checks, corn, checks, 528 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: and you're just the checklist. Checks is one syllable, nice 529 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: and easy. What else do I I was your checks nationalist. Um, 530 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: so what Okay, So that's level two was level three? 531 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: Level three is the no winks So no way. Yeah, 532 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: so you can't you can't masturbate. Um, yes, I unless 533 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: you're probable. I just have a reversion to anybody telling 534 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: me I can't masturbate, you will go blind. Okay, so apologize. 535 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: So it's no winks unless you're within like a certain 536 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: distance of a woman and you get her consent um. 537 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: The idea of being that not masturbating boost your testosterone 538 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 1: levels and unlock some sort of secret testosterone, uh you know, 539 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: super man powers that I am still unclear what exactly 540 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: they are. Yeah, because that's not quite scientifically based, right, Yeah. 541 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: I think they say that to keep the optimal level 542 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: of testosterone, Like it's good to have some sort of 543 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: cycle going where you're actually masturbating on a somewhat regular basis. 544 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: And it's also built off that idea like sports coaches 545 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: like they don't funk before the big game, which is 546 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: not true. Yeah, exactly. Boxers don't actually do that unless 547 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: they do, in which case they learned it from Raging Bull. Yeah, 548 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: and obviously, like, look, if you're looking up to somebody 549 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: who's punching people off for living, and they're telling you 550 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: they're fucking and masturbating on the regular. You know, maybe 551 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: like listen to them, right, you know, all right, so 552 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: that's level three. Don't masturbate and you will become superhuman. Okay. 553 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: Level four final level is to punch a member of Antifa. 554 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: So it's, uh, you know, these this group claims not 555 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: to be affiliated with the ault right, um, but the 556 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: fact that they're showing up at these, like at protests 557 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: like Unite the Right just so they can get the 558 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: chance to throw the punch in and ascend to the 559 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: highest level. I definitely think put some guilt on their 560 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: hands for you know, the white supremacist, white nationalist alright movement, 561 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: right because I remember, there's a mistake to totally you know, 562 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: separate them from that right right right, because I remember, 563 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: like in the in the aftermath of Charlotte'sville, like Gavin 564 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: McGinnis was really clear to try and be like, yo, 565 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: we had nothing to do with that, We had nothing 566 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: to do with that, because it's like, yeah, they all 567 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: were like these new right people like the Mike Sernovitch 568 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: Alex jones Is of the world, they were all doing 569 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: the same thing that you know. I think after the election, 570 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: the alt right kind of fractured, and then when Charlotte'sville happened, 571 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: people just started running in different directions, right because everyone 572 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: wanted to get away from the alt right label. In 573 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: terms of looking ahead, what do you see their growth 574 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: looking like, if any or or like a recruiting tactics 575 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: that they're using now, is it a pivot or is 576 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: it kind of steadily growing? Like what what sort of 577 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: the forecast from your end? So there's there's different factions, 578 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: um that I think are all competing for the same 579 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: group of like disaffected white people or just act especially 580 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: like young white men, uh like college age or maybe 581 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: fresh out of college and couldn't get the job that 582 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: they thought they wanted to, or like I think society, 583 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, discriminating them or making them out to be 584 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: a boogeyman. I think someone put a poll out that 585 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: like somewhere between white people in the country feel somehow 586 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: victimized right now. And I think the future for the 587 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: right or the new right, or uh like God forbid 588 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: the Chad nationalists is to figure out how to talk 589 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: to those people and uh inject the white nationalism into 590 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: them and sort of play to maybe these subconscious fears 591 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: that exists in the conservative voter base right now, right, Um, 592 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: And I guess like one of the last things I 593 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: kind of want to ask about is, like I've read 594 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: a lot about how all right has like one of 595 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: the biggest problems is getting women to participate. And essentially, 596 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: since a lot of these groups are sort of built 597 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: on these dated, misogynistic ideas and ship that they're having 598 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 1: a real problem getting women involved. But then there are 599 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: women who want to be involved in the movement, but 600 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: they're realizing that men don't want to include them. So 601 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: like is that like a thing that even men discussed? 602 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: And like all right like sort of these message boards 603 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: because you see articles about the women talking about it, 604 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: But it's I'm curious to know, like if there's any 605 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: like you know, inherently something that is so discriminatory is 606 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 1: going to have trouble inviting more people to the table. 607 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: So like, how how is that affecting things? Yeah? So, uh, 608 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: to be a woman accepted in the alt right, you 609 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: really have to decry feminism and work against a lot 610 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: of your own best interests as a woman. Um, and 611 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: that's that's really like the barrier to acceptance. But for 612 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: the most part, a lot of people in these circles 613 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: think that women are meant to be homekeepers and child bearers. Um. 614 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: And there's like an insane amount of slut shaming that 615 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: goes on um or attacking you know, the media personalities 616 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 1: trying to join the alt right, you know, if they 617 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: find some picture on Facebook of them dating someone who's 618 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: not white, h Like, yeah, it gets really nasty towards women. UM. 619 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: So I mean eventually they're not going to have women 620 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: to appropriate with. Keep this thing going, like, it's an 621 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: odd sort of paradox it started, yeah, yeah, it grew 622 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: out of the soil of a like anti woman movement. Right. 623 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 1: The whole gamer Gate thing was like we hate women. 624 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: It was just explicitly hateful towards women. So it's not 625 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: surprising that that would be, uh, you know, a problem 626 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: that they would eventually face. Yeah. I think I think 627 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 1: you're touching on something that sort of gets to the 628 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: core of it, which is that, uh, you know, through 629 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: what you guys have been calling men ghazi um. In 630 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: various other parts of our culture right now, we're seeing 631 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: all these like decades, if not centuries of misogyny and 632 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: horrible treatment of women, trying to come to terms with 633 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: the fact that women have be on to claim agency 634 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: for themselves and are pursuing things like careers and you know, 635 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: oftentimes being very successful and threatening the status quo power 636 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: structure that's been in place for so long UM. And 637 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: I think that's really like a driving force that the 638 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 1: all rights going to have to reconcile with UM if 639 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: it is going to continue to grow, because if they 640 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: leave women out, that really leaves the only option, uh 641 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:38,240 Speaker 1: is dominance and not any sort of resolution. Right. I've 642 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: described and I've heard it described that you know a 643 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 1: lot of white people, especially young white people, were born 644 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: on second thinking they hit a double and I I 645 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: do think that there's uh some semblance of like acknowledgement 646 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: that they have an advantage. When you see these groups 647 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: that are so viciously fighting against the rights of people 648 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 1: who are you know, whose society is trying to raise 649 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: up and you know, give equal opportunities to there's like 650 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: maybe it's not a conscious awareness of that, but maybe 651 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: there's an unconscious awareness of the fact that you know, 652 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: they have had a huge advantage for a long time, 653 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: and they would like to continue to have that huge advantage. 654 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: These young white men are experiencing like the most minor 655 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: taste of what it's like to be looked over because 656 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: of your sex or your race, and they just don't 657 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: know how to handle it right, which which is I 658 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: don't know, it's hard to describe it. It's something that 659 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: a lot of these people that are a part of 660 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: this movement have never dealt with or experience before. So 661 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: I think that, uh, that you're right, that's where a 662 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: lot of the the anger and rage comes from in 663 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: this movement. And then, just to wrap up, do you 664 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,439 Speaker 1: are you seeing any flagging of the momentum that's sort 665 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 1: of propelled Trump to the White House? And you know, 666 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 1: obviously there was the Doug Jones victory last night in Alabama, 667 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: and you know, are is are you seeing as somebody 668 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: who's been following and paying attention to the you know, 669 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: alt right and just the right wing in general. Do 670 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: you are you seeing this as like part of a 671 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: big movement or is that just something that's happening while 672 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: there's still this wave of you know, right wing hatred 673 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: kind of building at the same time. Yeah, so there's 674 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: there's that way of right wing hatred. And I think 675 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: that the people that are part of the alt right, 676 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: and I mean like the core true white nationalists alright, 677 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: realize that they're not going to get any of their 678 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: own people elected, or at least we hope not in 679 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: But what they do hope to do is influence the 680 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: level of public discourse in a way that pools conservative 681 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: candidates to the right, or influence the public disc perse 682 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: in a way that would make people more sympathetic to 683 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: more extremist candidates like Roy Moore that we saw. You know, 684 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: Roy Moore was like accused of uh, sexually assaulting teen girls, 685 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: and that is like appalling enough on its face, But 686 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 1: before that he was this like crazy religious right wing 687 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: guy who thought that he could run the state out 688 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 1: of a Bible instead of the lawbook, um, or what 689 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: he interpreted to be the Bible anyway. UM. So I 690 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: think going forward, uh, their goal is going to be 691 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: more of a cultural one and less of a less 692 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: on one of promoting like Richard Spencer to the Senate 693 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: or something. We'll be right back and we're back so 694 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: out in the zeitgeist. Some big news is that the 695 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,040 Speaker 1: first reviews of The Last Jedi are rolling in and 696 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: the Metacritic meter says it's going to be great. It's 697 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: an eighty seven, which is like up there with uh, 698 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: you know, the Oscar nominees right now, or the movies 699 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: that are likely to be nominated for Oscars. Uh it 700 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: is you know, you know the first reboot, The Force Awakens, 701 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 1: was that like eighty one, so that got really great reviews, 702 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: and you know people have mixed opinions on this one. 703 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: But uh, what, Miles, I know you said you're not 704 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: watching any previews. I'm not watching. Okay, so I'm I 705 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: really love Star Wars and I with the Force Awakens 706 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 1: in Rogue one. I sort of just went crazy with 707 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: the trailers and featurettes or whatever, just trying to get 708 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: as much information because I've been so Star Wars deprived 709 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: over the last however many years because obviously, yeah, the 710 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: prequels were fucking garbage. But yeah, now to see like 711 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: so many people on Twitter who have gone to screenings 712 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 1: and like people whose opinions I respect, like who like 713 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: good films, to see these people get so excited, like 714 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: people are really excited about this, and just like, I 715 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: can't this is great. This. I haven't seen a Star 716 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,279 Speaker 1: Wars movie they said this could be the second best 717 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: Star Wars movie after Empire. That's fucking that's a bold claim. Yeah. 718 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: There's a film critic, Alonso giral Day, who is really 719 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: good critic I like a lot, who said he thinks 720 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: it's the third best behind Empire and uh o g 721 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: original Star Wars, which is pretty crazy. Well, I'm here 722 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: to say I don't care, of course you are now 723 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: tell us why listen to you guys? Why are we 724 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,880 Speaker 1: doing this to ourselves? Why are we letting them trick us? 725 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: Is it any coincidence that this movie came after Force 726 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: Awakens and is supposed to be just like Empire strikes back? 727 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: We are stuck in a loop of the same garbage 728 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: movies being played to us over and over and over again. 729 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: Let's suggest that Empire was a garbage movie. Do you 730 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: think it's a garbage I think it was great, but 731 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: I don't like to see it again. I don't know. 732 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,760 Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think pople are likening 733 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: it to Empire and that like it's structurally the same, 734 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: Like you could say that the Force Awakens definitely was 735 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: very derivative, like if it was nearly like, yeah, it 736 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: was it was wild, like whereas this one people are saying, 737 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: I think it's because it's such a departure, Like I 738 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: don't from what I've read, I don't think that people 739 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: are comparing the actual content to Empire. But but the 740 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: feelings that you get as a Star Wars watcher that 741 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: it it recaptured that magic right force awakens. I think 742 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,520 Speaker 1: got a lot from like you're saying, people just being excited, 743 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: like that nostalgia wave, and we haven't had a good 744 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: Star Wars movie in ages, and so that came out. Now. 745 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: I think we're at a point where the movie actually 746 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,880 Speaker 1: needs to be good, because you know, there's been multiple 747 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: movies in the last few years. Like, we're at a 748 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 1: point where people could be like, if they see a 749 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 1: shitty one, they'd be like, I'm tired of this ship. Man. 750 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: I don't come that's true though. I don't think that's true. 751 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: I think Disney has gotten us hooked in a way 752 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,359 Speaker 1: that it's just like they're just like, man, we could 753 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: put out a movie where it's just a poop with 754 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: a lightsaber and y'all would come back. I would see, 755 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: And I think that's actually what you're hoping. This is 756 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: that's why I'm not watching. I'm hoping, yo, that is 757 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: just a sentient do do I can't do? Do you 758 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 1: know what? My favorite one was so far rogue one 759 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 1: because it was so different than all the other ones. 760 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 1: And that's kind of like what I want from I 761 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: am weeping because no one wants to stop making these movies. 762 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: Do you understand the amount of scripts that sit on 763 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: desk all day long because people are funneling money into 764 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: the well, that's a whole separate issue, you know, Like 765 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: is it separate? I think so? A few quick hits 766 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 1: on our way out, Amar Rossa on her way out 767 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: set off some alarms at the White House. So what 768 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: what happened here? It's the best story apparently. I think 769 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: it was at a Christmas party. These are the only 770 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: facts you to know. She wasn't doing it at the 771 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: White House, and she was getting a hundred eighty thousand 772 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: dollars a year just to fucking distract the president John 773 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,439 Speaker 1: Kelly Jeeves that hated it is. Apparently she knew Trump 774 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: so well she could just say some ship to him 775 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 1: and have him fucking spiraling. Just and so over time 776 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,839 Speaker 1: he had always wanted to get her out and then 777 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,439 Speaker 1: I forget what also was in third In the first 778 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 1: season of Yeah, she was kicked off. She lost on 779 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: The Apprentice twice. I'm pretty sure because I think she 780 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: also was kicked off Celebrity Apprentice. That's how much Donald 781 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: Trump is working with her, and now a third time. 782 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 1: So she was basically a distraction. John Kelly is like, 783 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: you're fired. She flips out. She was like, nah, funk this, 784 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 1: you don't. She's like, like, think somebody that effective, Like, 785 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 1: hell no, you don't have the power to fire me. 786 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 1: He was like, yes I do, and you're fired, and 787 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: I'm not Donald Trump telling you this. You're fired, and 788 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,280 Speaker 1: she was like, wasn't having it. She apparently called Ivonka. 789 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: Trump was like begging her, like I don't work or 790 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: whatever the funk it was. And then finally she had 791 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 1: enough that she stormed into the White House, into the 792 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 1: residence part of the White House, not like the Western 793 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: where they work, but the residents, which is completely like 794 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,879 Speaker 1: like you can't just run up in there, like you're 795 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 1: a part of Boss's house, and so it triggered alarms 796 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 1: because you cannot just fucking stroll in there. So it 797 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 1: was like a whole ordeal. Some accounts that the Secret 798 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: Service had to fucking drag her ass out, kicking and 799 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: screaming because she was like this is bullshit. But then 800 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,719 Speaker 1: fucking like the next day, the Secret Service Twitter is like, 801 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: we did not have anything, you know, we did not 802 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: have to escort her out or whatever. All we did was, 803 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, deactivate her badge that gives her access to 804 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,680 Speaker 1: the campus. But then Sarah Huckaby Sanders earlier in the 805 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 1: day was like, no, she's resigning and she's gonna leave 806 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,399 Speaker 1: on January twenties. I think as a policy on this show, 807 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: we can just stop saying what Sarah hug Aby Sanders said, 808 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 1: just because like it's never even like remotely true. It's 809 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: just she just like gets up there and and has 810 00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 1: say whatever Trump whatever, just like complete it has no 811 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: bearing on the truth. I'm so tired of her. Yea, 812 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: so she says January twenty. But then the Secret Service like, no, 813 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: we fucking we killed her her ID badge. So I mean, 814 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: if you're leaving the twentie, why are you getting your 815 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: key card taken away so quickly? And again then she 816 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 1: shows up in Good Morning America today and it was 817 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: just like the narrative it seems like now is that 818 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: she's like you knows as a woman of color, there 819 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: was a lot of things that were really disturbing to 820 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,560 Speaker 1: me in the White House. But it's like, first of all, 821 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: it took you this fucking long, Like what were you 822 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 1: fucking alive during the campaign, Like did you think this? Dude, Like, 823 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: come on, don't do that. Don't do that. I'm a rosa. 824 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,000 Speaker 1: Don't start playing that woman of color bullshit. No, I 825 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 1: mean you had your chance. You had your chance, And 826 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,879 Speaker 1: I mean, if it gives us a great tell all book, 827 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 1: because that's one thing she said, she said, I have 828 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,359 Speaker 1: a story to tell that I think the world is 829 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: going to want to hear, which is advantage lovely, that 830 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: is very exciting to me, but that there's nothing better 831 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,880 Speaker 1: than a woman of color scorned who was in the 832 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: White House watching all this racist ship happen, because I'm 833 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: sure she has a fucking spicy one to tell. Well, 834 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,360 Speaker 1: this just goes back to Trump being the easiest person 835 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 1: to manipulate that has ever been president. So he's going 836 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 1: to have people around him who just are good at 837 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: flattering him, and so like when they you know a 838 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: lot of people who you know are just there to 839 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,319 Speaker 1: manipulate him have access to the White House. So that's 840 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,279 Speaker 1: gonna come back and bite him in the ass. And 841 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,439 Speaker 1: I mean Roger Stone also has announced that he's now 842 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,840 Speaker 1: writing a book about the downfall of Trump. Already, yeah, already. 843 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,160 Speaker 1: That that is interesting. I think Politico reported that this 844 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: book is in process, and then he came or the 845 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: Hill one of those blogs, and he came out and 846 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's just one of the directions 847 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,560 Speaker 1: it could take. But like that seems to be the 848 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 1: direction it's going. When you're yeah, when you're opportunistic. Gass 849 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 1: is already preparing to bank in on the downfall of 850 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: the president, like you know, you were his main advocate. 851 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,280 Speaker 1: That's not good. Like, no, I've seen it. We've buried 852 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:52,600 Speaker 1: bodies before. Damn all right, that's gonna do it. For 853 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,720 Speaker 1: this week's weekly Zeitgeist, please like and review the show. 854 00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: If you like the show, h means the world of Miles. 855 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 1: He needs your validation, folks. I hope you're having a 856 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: great weekend and I will talk to him Monday. By