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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Talking to Death. I'm your host, Payne Lindsay.

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Speaker 1: Today we have a guest who is a very good

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Speaker 1: friend of mine. Her name is Clara McGregor. She is

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Speaker 1: a really talented actress and model does cool shit all

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Speaker 1: over the world. I wish I was her sometimes because

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Speaker 1: it just seems like it's a lot of fun. She

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Speaker 1: asked me what I want to talk about on the show,

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Speaker 1: and I said, I have no idea, and then we

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Speaker 1: just started talking back and forth and we mentioned all

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Speaker 1: kind of weird stuff about true crime and aliens, whatever,

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Speaker 1: and we got to some really fun places in this interview,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad that she was having fun with it.

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Speaker 1: It seemed like she's extremely hard working and is just

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Speaker 1: a genuine person through and through, and I'm excited for

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Speaker 1: you all to meet her. If you don't know who

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Speaker 1: she is already This is episode two of Talking to

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Speaker 1: Death with my good friend Clara McGregor. I want to

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Speaker 1: talk to you about American horror story. First. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: in the New York season, the NYC season. You crushed it,

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Speaker 1: by the way. I really enjoyed your role. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna lie. You really look like you're from that

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Speaker 1: time period. Know what that means exactly?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a compliment to me, So it is it's

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Speaker 2: supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: And yes, I don't know what that even means. It's

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Speaker 1: just it's a look or something. But you pull off

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Speaker 1: all the clothes from that time period and it's it's

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Speaker 1: super cool. But what was that experience like being in

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Speaker 1: some sort of I mean it was about a serial killer, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it like playing a horror series like that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, at first, it was just it was such

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Speaker 2: a production like that, on Ryan Murphy's productions, the worlds

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Speaker 2: that he creates are so real. As the actor who's

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Speaker 2: standing there, even with a crew behind you, like you're

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Speaker 2: looking down in New York Street and everything in your

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Speaker 2: And also what's funny is like I had gotten the audition,

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Speaker 2: And I did the whole fitting and I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, all that all

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Speaker 2: that style has come back now. So it didn't even

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Speaker 2: is it was very much based off of the movie

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Speaker 2: Cruising with al Pacino and Paul Cervino from the eighties.

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Speaker 1: I want to say, I've never seen that movie.

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Speaker 2: It's great, and so that's really that's what that whole

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Speaker 1: You know, when you're in a scene, are you like

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Speaker 2: I think what I try to do the most is

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Speaker 2: How am I? How would I react if which.

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Speaker 2: And from there I start adding the layers of the

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Speaker 2: Like where was this character a year ago, two years ago,

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Speaker 2: I think it's for me. It's really about trying to

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Speaker 1: Are you acting right now?

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Speaker 2: Maybe you'll never known so good. But also I have

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Speaker 2: a hard job to be an actor and to bring

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Speaker 1: Is that a good thing? I mean, I guess on

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Speaker 2: Sure, But I think that, like I think that there's

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Speaker 1: I think that mess with me. It's like a backstage.

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Speaker 2: is because of every person there. So as a producer,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, with the plot being about a serial killer,

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Speaker 1: We seem to have a morbid fascination as a culture.

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Speaker 2: With total I mean I think, you know, I've always

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Speaker 1: I mean that's probably a good thing. I think we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think what with watching horror movies or anything scary,

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Speaker 1: Scare you because it's real and it starts making you

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Speaker 2: I have an anxious brain. I'm an anxious person already,

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Speaker 2: like the horror films that I've watched, maybe the most

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Speaker 2: My one of my biggest phobias and fears are sharks.

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Speaker 1: That's like a human instinctual fear sharks will kill you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I know that Jaws and movies

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Speaker 2: really absolutely, And then you have movies like Blair Witch Project,

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Speaker 1: Here's one of the masters of the dread, right. It's

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Speaker 1: the thing that I found is what's scariest to me

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Speaker 1: See the monster, the gimmicks.

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Speaker 2: Up right, And that's also that's what made Jaws so

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Speaker 2: And Spilberg was really young when he made that, and

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Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously I don't want to go in

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Speaker 2: I think with abusive relationships like that, it can feel

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Speaker 2: Well, firstly, I was very lucky that I could go

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all of that really helped.

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Speaker 2: and I kind of and keep this keeps. You know,

438
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm still in this process of and I think that

439
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 2: will always carry on.

440
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: But which process of growing and do you think we

441
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 1: ever stop? I mean I don't think we do, right,

442
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: I don't think we do. I never like fully have

443
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: figured it out.

444
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: No, And I think that's life. And also there's different

445
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 2: stages and phases of.

446
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: Like I have to remind myself that, like, yeah, because

447
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: you want it all figured out right, or.

448
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: What I'm starting to realize is in your twenties, you're like, Okay, great,

449
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: I got to figure it all out, and then you're

450
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 2: I'm in my later twenties down it's like, Okay, I

451
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: don't need to have it all figured out. But what

452
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: I do know is like the more I can, you know,

453
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 2: do things for myself and like fuel myself by you know,

454
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: reading or watching good movies and having really good friendships

455
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 2: and doing things that are interesting and working hard, and

456
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: that's what will carry me through. And I think that

457
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 2: was also a learning curve that I had to figure out,

458
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 2: is that was really well, it was important and not

459
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 2: necessarily finding meaning or finding your identity and in a

460
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: partner like that, Yeah, I don't know, it made me picky.

461
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: It's good picky, Okay, that's good. Yeah, I mean yeah,

462
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: it's probably better than being like sure, come exactly.

463
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, and I certainly never wanted it to

464
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 2: define me, and it's something that I feel very like

465
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: I can be very open about now I've worked through it.

466
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: It doesn't like make me feel a certain type of way,

467
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: but I just know what to void and I know,

468
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: you know, you never know what can happen in life,

469
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 2: but you can try to be as aware as you can,

470
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 2: and that's all.

471
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: You know. What are your views on just life in general?

472
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: I mean, we're sitting here on this big ass rock,

473
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: flying around space, and every day we learn about how

474
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: much bigger the universe apparently is, and how much older

475
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: it is than we thought.

476
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that the universe is expanding. But like I

477
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: thought it was going. I thought it was infinite, So

478
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: what is it expanding into?

479
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: I think it's becoming more and more infinite. We haven't

480
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: found a wall yet, no, right, which.

481
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: Is weird because if there was a wall, maybe I

482
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: just do But no, I definitely.

483
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: Need to wear a headspace when you do it for

484
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: too long, because you feel real tiny.

485
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: But if you think about it for too long, it's

486
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 2: it's crazy. But there's times where I think that it's

487
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: like going out into nature and seeing something really beautiful.

488
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: You are reminded of how small you are. But there's

489
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: so and comforting in it. You know, like everything you

490
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 2: try to control in life ends up controlling you. So

491
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: when you see the vast amount of space, it's like, yeah,

492
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: well listen, it's all just going to happen, Like there's

493
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: nothing I can do anyway. Yeah, so there's some comfort

494
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: in the weirdness of it. And yeah, I do like

495
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: thinking about it, and I think that, you know, thinking

496
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: about aliens and the fact that it would to me,

497
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: there's just no way that the other life doesn't exist,

498
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: you know.

499
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: Just from a scientific viewpoint, how can we We're at

500
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: the tiny blip like most people are there now.

501
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think especially now, you know, with there's been

502
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: a much larger conversation about it and and the fact

503
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: that I think what we've realized. I forget what show

504
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: this was on. Maybe it was called it. It was

505
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: a documentary called UFO or something.

506
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: Like. Yeah, when the one like a year ago.

507
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: But they were kind of talking about how the myth

508
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: of the alien the little Green Man was really kind

509
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: of created by governments to make it a myth so

510
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: that we wouldn't think about it, and that it's like, no,

511
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: these people are all crazy and all were you know,

512
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: there was an incident I think maybe in Arizona, and

513
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: the mayor of Arizona came out after in like a

514
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: full blow up green.

515
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: Cost Arizona lights.

516
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And so when you see like, oh, well,

517
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 2: maybe we've been made to think of things in this way.

518
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: And I don't know that they are the aliens in

519
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 2: the story books with aliens that we have, you know,

520
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 2: the little green men. But there's something.

521
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: You're not religious, are you? No?

522
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: No, I'm Jewish and I feel Jewish, but I'm not

523
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: you know that, observant or religious?

524
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 1: Now, how does one feel Jewish by being Jewish?

525
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: Like I've yeah, I'm proud of my Jewishness, and I

526
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 2: think like culturally, I really feel Jewish in that sense,

527
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: and I like the traditions and the stories, and I've

528
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: you know, liked being raised Jewish, but I I was

529
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: not raised religious or observant in that sense, but I

530
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 2: think that.

531
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you know the term synchronicity the simultaneous occurrence

532
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: of events which appear significantly related, yes, but have no

533
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: discernible causal connection.

534
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: When something is synchronized.

535
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you ever have experiences like the I feel

536
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: like I do a lot. Yeah, yeah, And I don't know.

537
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just I feel like you're.

538
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: I know, I think you do.

539
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: I do.

540
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: There has been moment I'm trying to think it's funny, I'm.

541
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: And sometimes they're just a blip. Yeah it's a moment, right,

542
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: Sometimes you remember it forever, like that was so weird

543
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: or that was so unique and special, or what are

544
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: the odds coincidence beyond And maybe it's just me assigning

545
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: meaning or you know, confirmation bias where I you know,

546
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: you're looking for it, you're going to find it. If

547
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: you think about a blue truck, you're gonna start seeing

548
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: blue trucks down here. Yeah, but that's feels beyond that, yeah, right, totally,

549
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: or just the odds are you know low and it

550
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: was a positive thing and said, hey take it.

551
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah right, No, I think there's a lot of moments

552
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: like that. And I don't know if this is exactly it.

553
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 2: But living in a city like New York, you know,

554
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: like the other day, I was walking down the street

555
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: and I ran into one of my first ever friends

556
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: I had in London that we used to walk to

557
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: school together. I was tiny and she lives in Williamsburg

558
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: now and so do I. And it was like we

559
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: hadn't seen each other since we were so small, but

560
00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: we totally recognized each other.

561
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool, you see the face. Yeah, so we

562
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: just knew.

563
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: We just told Yeah.

564
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: Pretty wild her for sure.

565
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: And so there's moments like that, which are you know,

566
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, like life will bring you

567
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: back around.

568
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got I got a good one for you.

569
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: And it involves your dad. Okay, okay, which is how

570
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: I even know you.

571
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: Actually true, that's how I know you too, right, So

572
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: this would.

573
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: Have been I think it was probably twenty nineteen. Yeah,

574
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: I was working on the second season of Up and Vanish. Yeah,

575
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: and I think it was in San Francisco at the

576
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: time for some random interview. Oh and I checked my

577
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: voicemail and this lady had called and said that you

578
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: and McGregor wants you to go to set and meet

579
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: with him and have lunch. This is funny.

580
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: I heard the flip side of.

581
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: This last night. Really Okay, well, how would I have

582
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: his numbers? So and so I was like what and

583
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: so I called back and then the next thing, you know,

584
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: two days later, I'm driving in set and I walk in.

585
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: I'm on the Doctor's sleep set and I'm just sitting

586
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: here with your dad, and it's he's acting like we

587
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: we know each other. Like he's like, how you been,

588
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what good?

589
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: I was like, cause he was listening.

590
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm like looking around right, he felt like he knew

591
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: me from the podcast. I was like okay, and then

592
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: we kicked it off and we had a lot of fun.

593
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: You show me around set. I like, this guy's pretty cool,

594
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: and you know, got this like, okay, where are you

595
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: staying at? Yeah? You know, he was staying at Ponstadi Market,

596
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: which is like where I was living at the time,

597
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: and his apartment was one up from mine, and I

598
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: was like, come on what And next thing, you know,

599
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: a couple of days later, I'm I'm drinking wine with

600
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: him upstairs and I'm just friends with you, Dregon. I

601
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: guess that's so funny. Then it gets it gets weirder, Okay.

602
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: So then I think it was probably two weeks later.

603
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: I think I think he had just wrapped the movie

604
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: and he had left, and it was probably two or three.

605
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: Two or three weeks later, I'm in New York City.

606
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: I was with my friend Mike, and we were walking

607
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: around some random park I don't even know which one

608
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: it was. And I look over and like fifteen feet

609
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: in front of me is your dad and he's walking around.

610
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't see me yet, and I'm like, dude, holy shit,

611
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: there's you McGregor. And then I thought, I go, wait

612
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: a minute, he's gonna think I'm stalking him or something

613
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: like what are the odds that I'm just here again?

614
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: Like he was one stalking you though, dude, I'm telling.

615
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: You now, I'm piecing it together.

616
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 2: He knew that you were around.

617
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: He was on the set. Oh damn, okay, you can

618
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: on me. Yeah. But I was like, man, he's probably

619
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: gonna be like, yeah, we had a fun hang man,

620
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: but like, what are you doing in the What are

621
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: you doing in the park with me and my family?

622
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 1: But no, it was cool. That's actually the last time

623
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: I've seen your dad in person.

624
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: That's so funny.

625
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: But and then I got tattoos by your sister.

626
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: I have some too. Okay, So this was one of

627
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: her first stick and pokes, this one, which is crazy.

628
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: I remember seeing that one on Instagram. Actually, yeah, that one.

629
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: And then she did this little face.

630
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and the ease.

631
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: That's cool, and my lemon and she's done a lot.

632
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: These are mine.

633
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: Which one did she do?

634
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: She did see the cassette?

635
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: No, yeah, ah h that and this oh nice?

636
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, hell yeah, that's actually the I mean, I kind

637
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: of I kind of screwed up, but I was trying

638
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: to get a National Park stamp. What means what it is?

639
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: Right?

640
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? And you know on on that stamp there's a

641
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: date of when you get the stamp. Yeah, and I did,

642
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: like my company Tenderfoot, and I in hindsight, I should

643
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: have got the date of when the company started or something,

644
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: but I just got the date that I got that tattoo.

645
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 1: It was a real literal stamp.

646
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 2: So I know.

647
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: My first tattoo was given on August eighth. That was

648
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: your first one, very first one. Wow. I flew up

649
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: to New York City just to get it.

650
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: Esther gave you your first tat It was It was cool. Yeah,

651
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: that's a proud older sister moment.

652
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was dope. Yeah, And I've been wanting to

653
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: get more ever since. But you know, I was hoping

654
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: to do it this time. Next time, I'm doing it

655
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put on the books.

656
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the books.

657
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

658
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: But no, my dad was telling me last night. He

659
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: was that he was such a fan of your podcast

660
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: and was listening to it all the time with Mary

661
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: because I think you met Mary then too, and so

662
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: they were just, you know, they felt like when he

663
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: was like, and we got him to come to set,

664
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: and my dad was like, and then you kind of realized, oh, fuck,

665
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: you know, he must he doesn't.

666
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: Know me, Like, I know the moment your dad probably

667
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: said I'm gonna reach out with this guy. He had

668
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: to have been because I made a reference one time

669
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 1: to a scene in big Fish.

670
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: Oh that got him. Yeah, he was like, I got

671
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: an end.

672
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: And the guy who plays in that movie. Yeah, I'm

673
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: glad he got the reference that it made sense in

674
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: how I was describing. He was like, that's it.

675
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: I am big Fish and he called me, I am

676
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: big Fish, I am Sunsetble. But he yeah, I mean listen,

677
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: when he heard that we were doing this today, he

678
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: was like, let me know when you're done. I'm coming by.

679
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah. One of my friends gonna be super jealous,

680
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: and it's actually our mutual friend. He's like, whenever you

681
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: see you and again I better be there, and I'm like, dude,

682
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't even know who it'll be like. And then

683
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: sure enough it's today and it's his like childhood best friend.

684
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, sorry Austin, But sorry Austin next time. Next time,

685
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: I wants to talk about motorcycles with your dad.

686
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, boys and their toys.

687
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, I don't. I'm too scared I'm gonna

688
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: kill myself on a motorcycle. Well, I don't think I'm

689
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: capable of not.

690
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: I know. That's what freaks me out with him riding too,

691
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: or with anyone I know riding. I mean there's a

692
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,479
Speaker 2: part of me that also wants to ride.

693
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of bad assle to be real,

694
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: but just it's just just.

695
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: Look I would look cool.

696
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 1: I know I would look cool on a bike, Okay,

697
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: but intimidating rolling up as.

698
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: Bike community is gonna hate me for even suggesting that

699
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: I just ride around to look cool. The biker community,

700
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 2: you know, they're gonna hate you for what for wanting

701
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: to ride a bike because I think I'll look cool?

702
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: Oh? Is that not cool? I feel like I guess

703
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: you're probably you have to change the oil and have

704
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: like hands.

705
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I did that with my dad a bunch

706
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: of center, not that too.

707
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's people who do that for you. It's okay,

708
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: it's like twenty bucks. I get. If you want to

709
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: tinker with your stuff, that's fine, right, Yeah, I don't

710
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: trust myself to do that. I'm not no with little assembling.

711
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: No again, I would like to fantasize that I would

712
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: know how to do that, just like I'd like to

713
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: fantasize that I know how to do all of my

714
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 2: own stunts and that you know, if.

715
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: There was another version of yourself in a different dimension

716
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: or like you know, what's the is it a cooler

717
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: or way cooler, way cooler? Yeah, you're like the mid

718
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: level version of yourself. It just barely potentially.

719
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah we could, Yeah, could do a lot cooler. And

720
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: I don't even know what that is because otherwise I

721
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: would be doing it now, right, but like yeah, yeah, no,

722
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: it would Yeah, it'd be cool. It would be very badass.

723
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, if you can write your script and

724
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: just make it happen, right, what would you want to

725
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: do for the rest of your life or what moments

726
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: would you like to achieve or do you look at.

727
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 2: It like the or of course. I mean, I think

728
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: with with acting and when you're starting out especially, there's

729
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 2: always you know, things that you want to do. And

730
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: what's cool I think about being an actor is do

731
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: you can step into the shoes of so many different

732
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: people and walks of life and kind of in a

733
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: much different way of course, just kind of explore that

734
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: or learn about it. And so that's always exciting when

735
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: people are like, what's your dream role? That will always change.

736
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: I want to do great projects. I mean, so does everyone.

737
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to.

738
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 2: Great work. There's also a part of me that wants

739
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: to do like a really cheesy action film, like I

740
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: do want to be like.

741
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: Like fast and furious.

742
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe okay, like ideally, like you know, like

743
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: a born ultimatum kind of vibe, like it's cool, what would.

744
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: The next born be called? What would they're all born? McGregor, Damn,

745
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: that's tight. They just swap out your dad. It's just me,

746
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: Oh it's you. Yeah, that would be that'd be cooler. Yeah,

747
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: it would be cool, so awesome, like uh, Trinity from

748
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: the Matrix Ship.

749
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly what I mean, just like yeah, I think

750
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: just you know, I know, I'm I'm definitely not pro

751
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: gun at all, but in in the vein of an

752
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: action e film, I want to have guns. I want

753
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: to have like I want to get all fucked up

754
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 2: and be fighting people.

755
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: Give me that thing in an action movie, let me go.

756
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to do stunts. I want to you know.

757
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: But that's.

758
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: I mean, that's my classic Hollywood totally.

759
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 2: It's funny because it's not even necessarily like my favorite

760
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: types of movies aren't movies necessarily or but I feel

761
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: like I'd have a great time.

762
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: What's it like having a famous dad who that a

763
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: lot of people admire and to them, he's this character

764
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: in this movie and they're fans of that, and I

765
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: mean growing up in that. I mean it's probably a

766
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 1: question you can get asked a lot. But as someone

767
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: who doesn't have a famous dad who people like, like,

768
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, what is that like? And

769
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: how does that shape how you do things? Or has

770
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: it or can you even realize it at all? I

771
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: think that.

772
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: What my parents did, what my dad did, is they

773
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: always kept his career and his work very separate from us.

774
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 2: We weren't really in the limelight in that way. It

775
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 2: was he was going to work. That was his job,

776
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: and we you know, lived. I had a childhood that

777
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 2: felt very separate from that. And you know what comes

778
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: with that is, first of all, an immense amount of privilege.

779
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: You know that I grew up in That was wealth privilege,

780
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: but also the celebrity privilege of my dad. And so

781
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 2: when people are like, is it hard to have a

782
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: famous dad, I'm like, no, no, it's not.

783
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: Nuts.

784
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: First of all, I love my dad.

785
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: I think that he's a genuine good person. He's I

786
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: think so too, and it's if you don't know him, yeah,

787
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: he is a through and through So.

788
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: I've never wanted to distance myself from that. He is

789
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: my dad. And like when it comes to, you know,

790
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: the whole nepo baby thing, I get it. I get

791
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 2: the frustration. I have had a lot more opportunities that

792
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 2: have opened up because.

793
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: Of who he is.

794
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: That's undeniable.

795
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: And for those who don't know the term nepo baby,

796
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: what does that mean?

797
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: You know, nepotism just doing what my father does. And

798
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: I think that I absolutely get that, and it has

799
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 2: there is a privilege to that and all.

800
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: That.

801
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: You know, what I want to do is that I

802
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: love what I do. I love acting. I love being

803
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: on a film set so much, and it has growing

804
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: up around it definitely, you know, made me fall in

805
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 2: love with it for sure. And all I really want

806
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: to do is just be very good at what I

807
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: do and keep getting better and better and do good

808
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: work and be good. And yeah, I think a lot

809
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: of things are made easier because you do have a

810
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: famous parent.

811
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: And if you look at your dad's journey and think

812
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: about your journey and how you navigate what you're doing.

813
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: I think any journey in any kind of creative industry,

814
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 2: especially in Hollywood, it's like you just you can't compare.

815
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: Things happen and so differently. My dad's career started for

816
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: him very young, and everything is at a different pace.

817
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: I think I admire a lot of his work, but

818
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: it's definitely a different time now. There's different you know,

819
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: and I'm yeah, I'm just it's it's definitely a different

820
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: We've we've already had a very different career.

821
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: Right, TH's far so different world now.

822
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: Too, and it's a completely different world.

823
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: And so it's he's starting now in anything versus ten

824
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: years old now, or it's a it's going to keep.

825
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: Changing completely and you know, I made a movie with him,

826
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: which I produced just so cool, co wrote and got

827
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: to act with him, and that was so fucking great.

828
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: I mean, whens come out likes it? When can we

829
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: watch it? Soon?

830
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 2: We are closed distribution, We're just we're locking in some

831
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: things right now. But we'll have a date very soon

832
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 2: and it will be accessible. But yeah, that was something

833
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: that you know, I got to build and I got

834
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: to then do with him. And just as a person,

835
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: getting to spend that much time with your dad as

836
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: an adult is cool and it doesn't really happen often.

837
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: I love seeing that that can happen at all. Oh yeah,

838
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean in any situation where this could happen. Yeah,

839
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: it's like, that's that's cool.

840
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: And it gave me a deeper exactly. Yeah, it gave

841
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: me such a deeper appreciation for his work too. Just

842
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: actually acting with him, I was like, oh shit, okay,

843
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: you're you're really dropped in you're listening, you're.

844
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: Red Dad's zone.

845
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: He's in the zone. So that's those are all great

846
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 2: and I feel I just feel I feel very lucky.

847
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean he's at the end of the day,

848
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: he's my pops, and I don't want to deny that

849
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: or have to distance myself from that, and but I

850
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: you know, it's definitely for me, has not been a hardship.

851
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: I feel like he has also very much allowed me

852
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 2: to be my own person. Like I said, I wasn't

853
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 2: really in the public eye until I chose to be,

854
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: which I think was super important, and that's allowed me

855
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 2: to not yet I don't know, you have to stay yeah,

856
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: grounded and like no, yes, stay rooted.

857
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: I think so does your dad's success as an actor

858
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: make you feel like you want to create that on

859
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: your own for yourself in your own way?

860
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: I feel like that's what I'm doing anyway. Yeah, and

861
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: I think that's always been I mean, I've never felt like,

862
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: oh god, I got to do this on my own.

863
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: But see what you would be doing in the first place, right,

864
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: I think so?

865
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: And also yeah, I of course I want to do

866
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: my own thing. But I also understand that people are

867
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: going to make the reference and know who he is

868
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: and he's.

869
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: Also people are just dumb dumbs, but as you know,

870
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: make these connections. And because I hate it even bringing

871
00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: it up, so I don't want.

872
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: To, but I think it's it's always interesting again, all

873
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: I want to do and all I care about is

874
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: being the best I can be at work.

875
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: And I can tell from you that your self starter

876
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: in that way.

877
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: And I love working, I just I really do. So

878
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: for me, it's just about, yeah, just just being you know,

879
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: professional and a good collaborator and just keep working on

880
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: my craft and that, you know that I think is

881
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: all that I that I can do and that I

882
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: want to do, and like that carries you through, you know.

883
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, you know, my mom's a fantastic

884
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: production designer. I hope to work with her too. This

885
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: is Yeah, it's amazing, and so I feel very lucky

886
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 2: that I grew up around artistic parents and that they

887
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 2: showed me you know, filmmaking and all of that. So

888
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: I just feel a lot of gratitude towards it.

889
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: When you and I inevitably lock it in right now, yeah,

890
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna will it into existence someday when we

891
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: inevitably create some film or TV series together or the

892
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: rest producers whatever, or yeah, what what's it gonna be?

893
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: What are we gonna do?

894
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: What's what's the vibe, what's the concept or what's the genre?

895
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I you know what I I mean,

896
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: I reached out to you about this audio into that

897
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: the stuff that I got in radio rental was I

898
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: was just like, what are you.

899
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: Doing with it?

900
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: Make it?

901
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be a dream.

902
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: So that stuff is a dream. But I think, like,

903
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, You've always got your hands on

904
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 2: such interesting stories, the way that you conduct your own

905
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: research and like the investigative journalism aspect to it.

906
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: Well, thank you.

907
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: It is so interesting and so cool, and I think

908
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: that translates so well to narrative, you know, to to

909
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: making movies or TV shows about certain things.

910
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: Is making this up as a well you're fool in

911
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: all of us? Yeah, I'm really calling you guys.

912
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 2: You know that makes the best stories. And translating that

913
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: into a narrative format in that way is it's like

914
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: acting something that scares me.

915
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: Like I look at what you do and think I

916
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: couldn't do that, right. Yeah, maybe it's not necessarily completely true,

917
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: but sure you could. Maybe I could play the joker.

918
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: I would want to play like a crazy guy. That'd

919
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: be wild, but I probably probably make me.

920
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: But I feel like, you know, I look at what

921
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: you do, what so many other people do, and I'm

922
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: just like, god, amazing. I mean, my best friend Lee

923
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: is a is a senior year high school teacher in

924
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: New York.

925
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: I could never do that. Yeah, my sister's a teacher.

926
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 1: I could never do that. I would. I'm not smart

927
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: enough to do that.

928
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: Firstly, I'm not smart enough. And the page in the

929
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: sheer like goodness, I should.

930
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: Pay them more.

931
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 2: Seriously, supplies or something money.

932
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: Money, why by my sister's school supplies.

933
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, guys, come on, come on. But you know

934
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: that's those there's always that.

935
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: But what are you looking forward to the most in life?

936
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: Right now? It would be tomorrow, ten years from.

937
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: Now, right now. Honestly, it's it's it's being on set, acting, producing,

938
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: just working.

939
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: Just just working, being in the in the elements, just

940
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: doing it.

941
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: I think, just doing it. I've you know, I think

942
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: sometimes stay in that, yeah, I do. And also I think,

943
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: you know, with this career, it's been there's been a

944
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 2: lot of slow.

945
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

946
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: And also there was COVID and then the strike and

947
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 2: there was like a little you know, so I haven't

948
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: been that busy, which is okay, and like stuff happened.

949
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: But now I like when people ask me what my

950
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: dream job is to be on set and have another

951
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: job booked well, just to know that I like going.

952
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited for that. I feel like what

953
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 2: I'm doing with my production company, with my producer of

954
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: your Boulders is always exciting. There's always new things that

955
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: we're doing, and yeah, just getting out there. I don't know,

956
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: I'm really also just enjoying my later twenties.

957
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel good. That's awesome, and yeah, just want

958
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: to keep just keep moving forward and yeah doing that.

959
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: I you know, I want to learn Spanish. I need

960
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: to do some.

961
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean I wish I took like I mean it's

962
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: high school, but I didn't learn. I didn't retain any

963
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: of it.

964
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: I mean neither I speak French. So I figured, oh,

965
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: I'll take Spanish and I'll learn Spanish just as easily

966
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: as I learned French. But French was given I do,

967
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: but I was given French. It was like my first language.

968
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: My mom French, and this, yeah, like my mom's would

969
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: be awesome.

970
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: But I never had to think about it. It was

971
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 2: something that I just grew up. Yeah, and so I

972
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: I was too, I think, cocky about learning Spanish. And

973
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: so I'm I can understand a lot of it, but

974
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: I cannot speak it.

975
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: I just I mean my brain will not. I mean

976
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: I could do it, but I'm like, h what is this.

977
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm confused. And I was like, that's so lazy man

978
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: figured it out.

979
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 2: Well, before you turn twelve. Before the age of twelve,

980
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 2: you can learn every language on earth. You're like a sponge.

981
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: And then it becomes it's like twelve in one day. Yeah,

982
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: I should have stuck with the piano, you know, all

983
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: of these things.

984
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we can really as far as we could

985
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: have a whole band.

986
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could have had a band.

987
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: In hindsight, that's been cool.

988
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 3: That would have been cool.

989
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: So the movie that you have with your dad, I'm

990
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: not sure when this comes out yet, So in the

991
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: event that it comes out around that time, if not,

992
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: I'll cut this, but just some of the name of

993
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: it and just kind of what the premise is.

994
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: It's called You Sing Loud, I Sing Louder. It's a

995
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 2: movie about a father daughter who take a road trip

996
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: through the desert. It's a family dramedy. It's there's comedic parts,

997
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: there's dark parts. There's a slight backdrop of addiction, but

998
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: it's really just a quirky, kind of slightly eccentric.

999
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: Road trip sounds fun.

1000
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot of fun to make.

1001
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: Did it feel like a road trip when you were

1002
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: making it? I feel like you were making a movie.

1003
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: A bit of both, but so much of our driving

1004
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: stuff we were just driving on roads out there, and

1005
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: so yeah, a lot of it. We felt like we

1006
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: were really out on the road, which was very fun.

1007
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: Were in New Mexico.

1008
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: Oh cool? Which is.

1009
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: It's not like I know I wanted to we drove

1010
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: past it. But I love it there. I mean, the

1011
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,479
Speaker 2: sky is like reforts of your frame all the time.

1012
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: Wild, huge, and it feels different.

1013
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: Feels like another planet there. So yeah, I love it.

1014
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 1: And then you have very little oxygen to your brain,

1015
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: and yeah, you feel kind of loopy.

1016
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 2: You start getting a little loopy.

1017
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't realize it to you. Go back home, you go, wow,

1018
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: that was really wild out there. How do they do

1019
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: this forever?

1020
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: Now?

1021
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: I know?

1022
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: I kind of love it to you guys, And it's

1023
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: the perfect place to make a movie. You're you're kind

1024
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: of everyone is away from their normal life.

1025
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: It's a different world, and.

1026
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 2: So you're just in there with the cast, the crew

1027
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: and you're it was. It was a great time.

1028
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: Well, this has been amazing. It's been so much fun.

1029
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: I did this?

1030
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: Are you kidding? You should have seen the text I

1031
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: sent my friends When you asked me.

1032
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: I was like, really, I'm going to be.

1033
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: I am You're not exactly I mean my dad jealous.

1034
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: So it was a win all around. No, seriously, thank

1035
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: you so much.

1036
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 1: Of course, we should do it again.

1037
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: Soon anytime, anytime, and come to.

1038
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: Atlanta, come hang out with us.

1039
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to come to Atlanta, Okay, cool, yeah.

1040
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: Deal, deal right. She's awesome, She's amazing. I love her.

1041
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: Her dad actually did come after the interview. He had

1042
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: texted her. I was like, hey, it is it cool

1043
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: if if I come, it's okay if not, and she's like, Dad,

1044
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 1: it's fine. Also totally weird that it's you and McGregor

1045
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: we're talking about, but this this guy is so genuine.

1046
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: Her other sister, Esther, gave me a lot of the

1047
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: other tattoos I have on my arm. I just strangely

1048
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: have this organic connection with the McGregor family out of nowhere,

1049
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: but I'll take it. It's amazing. They're great people, and

1050
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm just happy that they're in my life. What a

1051
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: low key flex too. I actually I'm just bad at

1052
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: returning phone calls. I'm a Texter, obviously, but I'm constantly

1053
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: on do not disturb. And some people were actually offended

1054
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: by that when they see the whole do not disturb

1055
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: thing on the I message, don't be offended. Everyone sees that,

1056
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: not just you. I checked my phone enough to where

1057
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: it's okay, I will see it pretty soon. I just

1058
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 1: don't like the anxiety of the thing. I just cannot

1059
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: can't do it. You and actually called me a few

1060
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: days ago whenever we met in the lobby after Clara's interview.

1061
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: He was like, yoh, what did you guys talk about?

1062
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: And She's like, yeah, we talked about this and that

1063
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: and UFOs and aliens. And then I kind of saw

1064
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: you AND's eyebrows go up a little bit, and I

1065
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: was like, hey, do you believe in extraterrestrials? And he

1066
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: kind of was like, yeah, maybe I don't know, And

1067
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well, I have a show that I

1068
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: put out recently called High Strain, where I take a

1069
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: real objective, investigative approach to the topic of UFOs and

1070
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: aliens and what's true what isn't what the hell is

1071
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: really going on? And so I'll say, hey, you know,

1072
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: shameless plug, like, if you want to check out this

1073
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: show that I made, tell me what you think. And

1074
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: sure enough, he actually listened to it, unlike I do

1075
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: most of the time. I'm like, yeah, I got you,

1076
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: I got you, and I'm so sorry for everyone I've

1077
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: said that too, But he actually listened to it. And

1078
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: this is how nice this person is. And I just finish, Hi, strange,

1079
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: fantastic man. I really enjoyed it, and my mind's flown.

1080
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: I watched a couple of documentary about the subject. I

1081
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:49,479
Speaker 1: never did enjoyed your.

1082
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 3: Well done.

1083
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 1: I'll take it. First of all, thanks for actually listening

1084
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: to it. And I almost want to pick you AND's

1085
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: brain about what he thinks, and he clearly went down

1086
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole, said he watched other documentaries and shit,

1087
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: just a good human. If you ever get the chance

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Speaker 1: to meet this person, he's just as real as it gets.

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Speaker 1: I'm just a fan of him, and the fact that

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Speaker 1: he's a fan of anything that I've ever done kind

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Speaker 1: of hurts my head to think about. I don't really

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Speaker 1: compute that, but I feel flattered as hell. So Clara

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Speaker 1: Esther Ewen love you all. Stay tuned next week for

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Speaker 1: a really exciting guest Next Wednesday, Cheers.

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Speaker 3: Talking to Death is a production of tenderfoot TV and

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Speaker 3: iHeart podcast created and hosted by Payne Lindsay. For tenderfoot TV,

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Speaker 3: executive producers are Payne Lindsay and Donald Albright. Co executive

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Speaker 3: producer is Mike Rudey. For iHeart Podcasts, executive producers are

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Speaker 3: Matt Frederick and Alex Williams. With original music by Makeup

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Speaker 3: and Vanity Set. Additional production by Mike Rooney, Dylan Harrington,

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Speaker 3: Sean Nerney, Dayton Cole, and Gustav Wilde for Cohedo. Production

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Speaker 3: support by Tracy Kaplan, Mara Davis, and Trevor Young. Mixing

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Speaker 3: and mastering by Cooper Skinner and Dayton Cole. Our cover

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Speaker 3: art was created by Rob Sheridan. Check out our website

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Speaker 3: Talking to Death podcast dot com.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of Talking to Death.

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