1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Hey, the folks in this episode, did you see about 2 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: the latest newest thefty but for us heartbreaking round of 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: layoffs making headlines last weekend? With that, Welcome to this 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ Robes. We've been reporting a 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: lot about layoffs all over the all over the country. 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: It seems to pass several weeks having to do with 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: the federal government. I guess a lot of that, but 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: this round of layoffs hit very close to home, was 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: very personal. Were talking about our former network. 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: That's right. 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 3: I actually got a call from you. I was out 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 3: at a lunch and missed the headline that basically most 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 3: of our staff that we worked with daily, that we loved, 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 3: that we were rooting for from Afar was laid off. 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 3: Two hundred employees fired from ABC News, and a large 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: majority of them came from our former show GMA three. 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're talking to and again, I guess in media, 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: if you work in it long enough, these things just happen. 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: They these are I mean, these all the times that 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: it's happened, it always seems like, oh, this is the 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: one that the media industry is a really changing, This 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: is the course correction, and maybe this one will be 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: because things are going to streaming in digital. But this one, 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: when you hear a network like ABC News is laying 25 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: off two hundred people, which was the initial headline, that's 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: a big deal. And I guess we shouldn't necessarily be 27 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: surprised about where the industry is going. 28 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: We're not surprised about where the industry is going. 29 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 3: We're seeing it everywhere and the ratings are dropping. It's 30 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 3: not how much you gained year to year, but trying 31 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: to stop the bleeding. So the better off you are 32 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: is the fewer viewers you lost, but that it's a 33 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 3: game that is not winning, it's losing, and everyone kind 34 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: of knows this. There has to be some major restructuring 35 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: and reevaluating and honestly, how you're going to get younger folks, 36 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 3: younger people to watch television when that really has become 37 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: something that kids aren't doing. It isn't a habit of theirs. 38 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: They're on their phones, they're their tablets, so they're not 39 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: watching network news. So yes, perhaps this is inevitable. But 40 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: when you see two hundred ABC News employees being fired, 41 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: I think that amounts to about six percent of ABC 42 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 3: News's work staff. When it's concentrated on one show that 43 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: is even more specific and more detrimental to the folks 44 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: who were working on that show, and it was Yes, 45 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: it was our show. 46 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: So let's if you're not familiar the headlines. I guess 47 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 1: Wall Street General was among the first to report there's 48 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: two hundred employees at ABC News is going to be 49 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: let go Nightline in twenty twenty. Those are long standing 50 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: staples of that network. They are now being merged into 51 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: one unit. Obviously robes anytimes there's two staffs merged into one, 52 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: people going to lose jobs. Then the five thirty eight website, 53 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: A lot of people might not realize or remember five 54 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: thirty eight started by Nate Silver, which did all the 55 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: great presidential predictions back around President Barack Obama during his elections. 56 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: ABC bought five point thirty eight. Well, now it's letting 57 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: it go. It's being shuttered, so fifteen employees are out 58 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: of a job. So the most jarring I guess changes 59 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: and headlines have to do with Yes, Good Morning America, 60 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: the flagship show where there was GMA and GMA three, 61 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: so three hours of Good Morning America. But folks didn't 62 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: realize that these two operated very separately. 63 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 3: And that was, to be fully honest, That was always 64 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: a frustrating thing for us because we were juggling between 65 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 3: being correspondence and filling anchors for the flagship show Good 66 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: Morning America, and then at the same time being co 67 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 3: anchors for GMA three. And sometimes you would think that 68 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: would all be harmonious and would all make sense that 69 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 3: the two would go hand in hand, but oftentimes they 70 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: pushed against each other and it ended up feeling like 71 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: we were in a tug of war between GMA and 72 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 3: GMA three, and there. 73 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: We were called in the middle of that. It feel 74 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: like it was. 75 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: We absolutely were caught between the two so being assigned 76 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: two different things, or GMA wants you to go somewhere, 77 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: but GMA three wants you back anchoring the show, and 78 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 3: it was a battle sometimes daily, but certainly weekly. 79 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 1: It felt like, so this is and this is now 80 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: why we are where we are. They have corrected that 81 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: error now if you will, but they say they've done 82 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: it for financial reasons. So yes, GMA and GMA three 83 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: are literally done in the same building in Times Square 84 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: on different floors. GMA uses the GMA three studio plenty, 85 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 1: but essentially there's just literally one floor up from each other, 86 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: but we all share the same building, all of our 87 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: dressing rooms running next to all. 88 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 3: It was a shared space, and even the floor directors 89 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: and all the folks who were commanding the cameras and 90 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 3: all of those folks all were the same. So it 91 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 3: was basically the behind the scenes staff for Good Morning 92 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: America just went upstairs. We did a lot of times 93 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 3: in the eight o'clock hour anyway for GMA, and we 94 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 3: just kind of shifted anchors. 95 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: So the difference, though, being is that GMA is crazy. 96 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: We this drove us crazy. We're going to get into that. 97 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: But GMA and GMA three have two totally different production 98 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: team as far as the producers go in the executive 99 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: producer are two totally separate units. So there's not a 100 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: synergy that you would think that these two shows have. 101 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: They're completely produced separately from each other. We didn't even 102 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: the producing teams don't necessarily even talk to each other 103 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: and coordinate. They're two separate, totally separate shore. 104 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: Sometimes we were doing the coordinating, going back and forth 105 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: between the executive producers, trying to figure out where we 106 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 3: were supposed to be, like physically. 107 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 2: On a story or on an assignment. 108 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 3: So that was always a little confusing because GMA three 109 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: was under the umbrella of ABC News Live, the digital 110 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: online version of ABC News, so it truly was a 111 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 3: completely different status. 112 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: And we're gonna explain that to in a second. It 113 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: took us the longest to figure out why exactly that 114 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: was done. But what we're saying here and what we're 115 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: setting up was we're explaining why the GMA three staff 116 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: is now gone because it was a separate staff. So 117 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: what they've now done is taken GMA three and put 118 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: it completely under the control of GMA and GMA's executive 119 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: producer Simone Swink, so now it's all one unit. And 120 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: to do that, you had to get rid of the 121 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: entire staff of GMA three. That entire staff are folks, 122 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: robes who were with you from the very beginning, with me, 123 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: from the very beginning when we started of that show, 124 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: and they're all gone now, and we both got that 125 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: news last week. And I will ask you now, you 126 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: know before I ask you that this is important to 127 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: say because people will understand your reaction to it, but 128 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: you have to to fully understand. You have to understand 129 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: how the show started. Now this hour on the network 130 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: is around one o'clock GMA three. What was it called 131 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: it first GMI Demic before when stray and uh oh. 132 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: It was it was straight Hand, Sarah and Kekeyankey. First 133 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: it was straight Hand and Sarah. Then it became straighthand 134 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 3: Sarah and kekeyp And then when the pandemicemic hit, it 135 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: was very obvious pretty quickly that that show was not 136 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: going to be able to continue in the situation this 137 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: world was in. And it truly was an opportunity to 138 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: create a show that served the public with the information 139 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: that we so desperately needed because things were constantly changing 140 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 3: and evolving. We were scared for our lives, and I 141 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: felt like, honestly, for the first time in my journalistic career, 142 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: I was doing something worthy of public attention and public safety, 143 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: and it was I felt so fulfilled starting that show, 144 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: just knowing that we were actually giving people potentially life 145 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: saving information. So that's what the show became, or at 146 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: least initially began, as it grew from a real organic need. 147 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: But the show was necessary without Now what was the 148 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: name it was a pandemic year, No, it was just 149 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: called pandemic. What you need to know? Yes, right. That 150 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: started in March, right of twenty twenty or is it April. 151 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: It was March of twenty twenty. 152 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: I mean when the pandemic hit. 153 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 3: I got a we got a phone call to head 154 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: up to some executive's office. 155 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: I had no idea what it was in reference to. 156 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: In fact, I thought they were going to ask me 157 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: to stick around and do some busy work like manning cameras, 158 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 3: unless in case news broke. I had no idea that 159 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: they were going to ask me to take over that 160 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 3: one o'clock hour from Strayhance, Sarah and Kiki for a 161 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: temporary period of time to get us through the pandemic. 162 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 3: So I was blindsided by the call and the call 163 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: to action. But obviously I was very quick to say, 164 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 3: of course I'll do it, of course I'll step in. 165 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: So this is how that hour started. So you go back, folks, 166 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: to March of twenty twenty. It started organically. Robock was 167 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: on set right with doctor Ashton and you will every 168 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: single day, and people were desperate for information. That is 169 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: one of the most necessary shows I've ever been I've 170 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: ever seen in television news because it was just important 171 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: and you were giving information people needed. We start to 172 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: get the pandemic. We're several months into it and maybe 173 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: starting to get a handle on it. The show begins 174 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: to evolve and I come on board in the fall 175 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty as GMA three. What you need to. 176 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 3: Know, Well, let me actually back up a little bit 177 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 3: to talk about the evolution as I saw it from 178 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 3: my perspective. So we were doing the show and I'm 179 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 3: not even going to credit our great ratings, and they 180 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 3: were unexpectedly even better than anyone could have imagined, because 181 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 3: of course there was a need. It wasn't that I 182 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 3: would never take credit that we were doing anything special, 183 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: But all of a sudden, ABC executives saw something finally 184 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 3: succeed in that hour. They had been struggling to get 185 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 3: something to succeed in that It's a tough time of day. 186 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: Who's home, Who's watching. Well, now you've got the pandemic, 187 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: everyone's home, everyone's watching. So we ended up realizing, hey, 188 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 3: we might have some formula that we can build on 189 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 3: to evolve out of the pandemic. We need to evolve 190 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: into news, we need to evolve into education, we need 191 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 3: to evolve into other stories beyond the pandemic. 192 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: So we yes, in the fall of twenty twenty. I 193 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: do eventually come on board and the show takes off. 194 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: And in the first two years we're together, we get 195 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: Immy nominations, so Best Daytime Show, Informative Talk, we get 196 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: Emmy nominations for hosts. I should say we didn't win. 197 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: I should say that we did not win. What's the 198 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: line were supposed to say? 199 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 3: It was always an honor to be nominated, which we 200 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 3: did feel. 201 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: And we're very I mean seriously, the first you were together. 202 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: We we knew we had something. We knew I mean, look, 203 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 3: it was great with Jen and me. That was phenomenal. 204 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: We felt really good about that, but clearly or something missing, 205 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: mostly some male energy, let's be honest. 206 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: And you came. 207 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: In and brought so much life to that show that 208 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: was necessary. I mean I could go on and on 209 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 3: about your talent and what you bring. And I was 210 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: so excited when I got that phone call that said, Hey, 211 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: how do you feel about TJ joining you on GMA three? 212 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: And I couldn't have been more excited because you were 213 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 3: the perfect person, the perfect partner in every way for 214 00:10:58,600 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: a show like that. 215 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: With that text, Now, right, this wasn't just something we 216 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: went after and begged and screamed and yelled for It's 217 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: something that actually happened so organically the show did. Us 218 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: being a part of it did, And no, we didn't 219 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: want to leave. Let's be clear here. Yes we did 220 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: not want to leave that show, and we have talked 221 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: about it plenty of times. For two people who've been 222 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: in the industry twenty five plus years. At that point, 223 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: this was the dream job. We get to do news, 224 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: a little entertainment, a little inspiration. It was the perfect 225 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: show and you're getting to do it at the time 226 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: with my best friend. This was a show we did 227 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: not want to leave. 228 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 3: I could have done that show for the next twenty 229 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 3: years and Ben the luckiest person on the planet. 230 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: So folks with that anytime. There were headlines over the 231 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: past two plus years since we left that were not 232 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: I guess pleasant or whatever for the show, talking about 233 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: its rainings, what's going on with it? People? We got 234 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: used to get calls from tabloid folks and folks wanted 235 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: to react to things as if we're excited that something's 236 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: not going well that we always we have from the 237 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: jump been rooting for GMA three. I would have loved 238 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: Robes I know you would have in ten, fifteen, twenty 239 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: years see that show still thrive and go wow. I 240 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: was there and I helped start that thing. 241 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: I was a part of it absolutely. 242 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: And I will say, look, we have said this publicly too, 243 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 3: but I'll reiterate I have not and TJ has not 244 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 3: watched that show once since we left, mostly because it 245 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: was too painful too. It wasn't because we were saying, ah, 246 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 3: I forget them, no it we loved it so much. 247 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: We were so passionate about it that I actually couldn't 248 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: stomach to watch it because it was too hard, because 249 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 3: it would have been too painful for me to have watched. 250 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: And to say that, we're saying, folks, not even a 251 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: solitary second of that show have we seen since we 252 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: left the network. Now I've passed the television and seeing 253 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: GMA on an airport or at a bar and at 254 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: least look up at the TV. I have no idea. 255 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: And but to your point, that is why it's not 256 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: a bitterness. It's a sadness about what could have been 257 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: and something we were proud of it. We were always 258 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: rooting from a distance for that show. So to hear 259 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: now and again the show is going to continue, but 260 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: everybody associated with it has been let go. That show 261 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: doesn't exist the way we saw it, the way we 262 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: started it, the way we left it. So what was 263 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: your reaction? Your first reaction to the news is what 264 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to get to and wanted to get the 265 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: context first. But given all that, and folks can understand 266 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: now where we're coming from, to hear that that whole staff, 267 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: that everybody's gone, what did you think? I felt. 268 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to try not to get emotional. 269 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: I felt so sad. 270 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: I started thinking about starting the show and thoroughly Wins 271 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 3: and the excitement that we were onto something, that we 272 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 3: were building something and growing something that we all cared 273 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 3: so deeply about. I went flashed back to that moment 274 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 3: when we went out to California for the Emmys when 275 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: we were nominated. We were not only nominated for the show, 276 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: but for actually hosts, so we had two Emmy nominations 277 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 3: our first year out. We were so proud and the 278 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: future seemed so bright. So I think I just thought 279 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 3: about all the what ifs. I felt so sad for 280 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 3: all of those people who have worked so hard on 281 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: that show, and I just felt so frustrated that things 282 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 3: happened the way they happened because they did not happen 283 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: the way we wanted them to happen, or in any 284 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: way that we would have chosen for them to happen. 285 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: You talked about I think this morning was the first 286 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: time I talked to you about the what if part. 287 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: We've talked about what happened j A three when the 288 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: news came out, But you think about what if? What 289 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: if we'd have done something different, What if that executive 290 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: had done something different, what if the network had done 291 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: something different? What if? Ever? Like all of the what ifs, 292 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: and when you get through some of those, you like, 293 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: what if we were able to continue what you're talking 294 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: about now, we're not. And please, folks, don't don't and 295 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: please call anybody out who puts out a headline that 296 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: misinterprets or tries to mess up our words. Here. We're 297 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: not suggesting in the least bit, oh you'll need us, 298 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: or look what happens when you don't have us. What 299 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: we're saying here is when we see something like this 300 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: that we love so much that has gotten into some 301 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: a trouble of some kind, if you will, we want 302 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: to contribute we want to help, We wish we could 303 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: have helped. We wish, well, wow, we didn't live it 304 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: in better shape. You do think back to those what 305 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: ifs and what the possibilities could have been if this 306 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: decision was made differently, or that decision made differently. It sucks, man, 307 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: it sucks. 308 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: And I have not been able to talk about not 309 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 3: being a part of that show with anyone who I 310 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 3: love personally without getting weepy. That's how much we loved 311 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 3: that show. So it's been really hard to see what's 312 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 3: happened to it. And I think especially even watching all 313 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 3: the news and we've been able to do our morning 314 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 3: run and feel like we're at least a part of 315 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 3: the news cycle and feeling like we're helping to get 316 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: out important information because that's all been so confusing this 317 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 3: past year. But I have been yearning. I have wanted 318 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 3: so badly to be able to bring that to our show. 319 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: It's been hard. 320 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 3: The best way I can describe it is if you've 321 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 3: been benched as an athlete and you see your team 322 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 3: and you so badly want to contribute, You so badly 323 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 3: want to be on the field with them, And that's 324 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 3: how it's felt, and so I don't want to see 325 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: them lose the game. Like it's just it's disheartening, it's sad, 326 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: and it's frustrating, and I. 327 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: Just it just I'm my stomachs and knots. 328 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: I literally and again I was on the phone again. 329 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: I passed the news along to you. But this was 330 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: before I think it all came out publicly. But one 331 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: of our representatives I was on the phone with you 332 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: were out somewhere and I was in the bedroom and 333 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: I didn't tell you this. I literally dropped to my 334 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: knees on the side of the bed and brought myself up. 335 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: I literally dropped and just said, oh no, oh no, 336 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: and a lot of that does. I mean, anybody that 337 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: loses a job your heart goes out to. But these 338 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: are folks that we saw day in day out grind 339 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: not get attention. Right. We were the little engine and 340 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: could everybody left us alone? The numbers were good. We 341 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: don't what those two low maintenance anchors over there who 342 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: got good chemistry. Everything's working, and we didn't get a 343 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: lot of love. Quite frankly, we didn't get all of attention. 344 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: Because we didn't need it. 345 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: He didn't need it. Damn. That's true. That is absolutely true. 346 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: The this is how that time. This is only a funny, 347 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: so I'm not saying they completely disregarded, but this is 348 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: how it felt. What year was It was twenty twenty 349 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 1: This was after an Emmy nomination. I believe it was. 350 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 3: It was definitely after the Emmy nomination. It was twenty 351 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 3: twenty two. 352 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: Okay. So there was a big presentation, right, the big 353 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: presentation where the ABC News president comes out and all 354 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: hands on deck because a town hall. Everybody across the 355 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: network is on zoom all over the country and she's 356 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: making presentations bragging about each shows. Kim Godwin, Yes, is 357 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: there a name to this presentation? It was something. It 358 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: was kind of a town some town hall. 359 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: We were all the shows were up, everybody was doing well, 360 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 3: so it was a it was a celebratory moment coming 361 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: out of the pandemic and we had all kind of 362 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 3: righted our ships and kind of adjusted to the new 363 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,239 Speaker 3: ratings and we were doing well. Every show was, so 364 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 3: she was listing all of the successes. 365 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: We were so excited because we knew we were waiting. 366 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: We were waiting. We we would hit two millions. 367 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 3: I remember we had days where we hit two million viewers, 368 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 3: and we just thought, how is this possible? We were 369 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 3: so excited an afternoon show with very little resources, but 370 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 3: we were also averaging like over a million and a 371 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 3: half daily, so we knew we were going to finally 372 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 3: get our kudos. We're going to hear GMA three, you know, 373 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 3: is doing so great. We were all on the edge 374 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 3: of our seats. 375 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: Look and now you'll if I tell you this meeting 376 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: went our hour and a half, GMA three was never mentioned. 377 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: I mean she mentioned like the weekend overnight edition DAC 378 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: News after Dark, I mean stuff you did not mention. 379 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: We were never mentioned. And now when I tell you 380 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: that GMA three staff was devastated, devastated. We already don't 381 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: get enough love and attention, but to see those producers 382 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: and some of those folks who have and busting their butts, 383 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: and this was the moment where we knew we were 384 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 1: an asset. We knew all she's gonna give us all 385 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: kinds of We were wondering how big of the presentation 386 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: about us was going to be. 387 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 2: Aren't expectations funny? 388 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 3: We had the highest of expectations, and we waited and 389 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 3: we waited, and we waited and Godwin never even mentioned 390 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 3: she had. 391 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 2: Slides, so you know this was this was thought out. 392 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 3: This isn't she was just speaking extemporary extemporaneously and forgot 393 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 3: to mention us. Like in a in an Academy Awards speech, 394 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 3: you forget to thank your agent or you forget to 395 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 3: thank your wife. No, she had a full, like absolutely 396 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 3: highly produced presentation with slides and videos and pictures. Was 397 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 3: your face even on any of the slides? No, I 398 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 3: don't think so. No, you didn't. 399 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 2: Oh this Oh this was like this was the upfront 400 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: s babe. 401 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: Wasn't this wasn't No, no, no, it wasn't. 402 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 2: Wait, it was, but it was around that time, but 403 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 2: it was. 404 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,239 Speaker 1: It was an all hands on deck meeting. It is. 405 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it again to this moment, really, 406 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: but it was hilarious. You and I have been around 407 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: enough to wear you know. It wasn't a punch in 408 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: the gut tell us, I'm yes, sought for a twenty 409 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: five year old producer who's getting no love on a 410 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: show that's doing well. This was the one opportunity. They 411 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: were devastated by this. Yes, they were really hurt by this, 412 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: but to make up for it, don't worry news trickled 413 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: back up to Kim that I think you left out 414 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: a major show. She didn't know she did. 415 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 3: She didn't know she did. But to make up for it, 416 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 3: we're thinking, she calls a meeting with the entire GMA 417 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: three staff. We collect there on sixty sixth Street, all 418 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 3: of us in this big room, waiting to hear what 419 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 3: she's going to do, what she's going to say, how 420 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 3: she's going to make this right. 421 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: She brought cookies. 422 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: She brought cookies. 423 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: They were good. 424 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 2: I didn't have one. 425 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: I didn't either. 426 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone did. 427 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: I was just assuming, what do you What do you say? Mate? 428 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: It was an honor? How do you do that? Start 429 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 1: naming shows at ABC News. You're going to say Nightline, 430 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: you gonna say twenty twenty, You're going to say evening News, 431 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: What is it? World newsnight? You're going to say GMA 432 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: does not How Yeah, okay, that was amazing. It was 433 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: funny at the time. But what I'm saying, this is 434 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: the show that is used to not getting a lot 435 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: of love and a lot of resources necessarily, But it 436 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: was a show that's used to doing well without needing 437 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 1: a lot of that, and we just had something that 438 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: was clicking in was working, and look, it had to 439 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: make some changes and whatever the changes were, it got 440 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: them to this point. And it's just it it's brutal 441 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: to think that the whole show and again you and 442 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure swhen are you please tell me? Are 443 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: they do they have the same anchors now? Is there 444 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: a rotating crop of anchors? 445 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 2: I've heard bearying. 446 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 3: I don't know that anyone knows what it's going to 447 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: look like going forward, so I couldn't speak to whether 448 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 3: or not it's going to stay with the anchors they 449 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 3: have up there now, but it was told to us 450 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 3: that perhaps they'll be rotating anchors. It feels, probably from 451 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 3: the folks who I've heard from who still work there, 452 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 3: very chaotic and there's a lot of fear. You know. 453 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 3: They don't know what's going to happen next, They don't 454 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 3: know what new changes may take place, if anyone else's 455 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 3: jobs are on the line. There's just a lot of fear, 456 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: as there are in so many places around this country 457 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 3: right now, with layoffs being the headline. 458 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 2: But we know this is so. 459 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: Deeply personal to us, and anytime you've got that kind 460 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 3: of fear and you're operating out of fear instead of support. 461 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 3: It changes the whole energy of the newsroom, of the 462 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 3: halls of GMA. I'm sure it's a very different feel. 463 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: How do they get it back? Like I really wonder, 464 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: And obviously we know that the building, Well, where is 465 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: the where's the rallying cry? And who is that rallying 466 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: cry going to come from? There's a new ABC News president, 467 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: fairly new, right, Ell? Mean yeah, Ellen, to tell me, 468 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: i'n't not a full year. 469 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 3: In No, but he's been at ABC fore long time, forever, 470 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 3: and he was the EP of World News tonight, So yes, 471 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 3: he's got a lot. 472 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: Of But speak, where does it come from? Where is 473 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: the leadership come from? Where is who is in that 474 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: building that everybody can rally around? Let's just speak the 475 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: GMA for a second. Who is everybody can give that 476 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: rah rah speech? I don't I really don't know. And 477 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm concerned moving forward, what's the next thing and the 478 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: next thing and the next thing. Because this is and 479 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: we talk to them all the time. Obviously we know 480 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: people in this building. There is not a pleasant word 481 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: we've heard. It's it's not even it's almost so disheartening 482 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: and discouraging to hear what's happening in the. 483 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 3: Building to say, oh, you guys are lucky you left 484 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 3: when you did dot dot that kind of a thing. 485 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 3: And I was like, no, that's not that's not a 486 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 3: fair statement at all, because I don't there's nothing about 487 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 3: me that feels lucky in any of this, not even 488 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: in the least. And we were talking this morning about just, 489 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: you know, being out of it, being on sidelines watching 490 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 3: this all unravel, and how we kind of even feel 491 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 3: differently now than maybe even we did before. 492 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: God, I hate again, I hate to see, but I 493 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: think a lot of people might not realize about GMA 494 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: three the way it does work. It tapes at nine 495 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: to thirty in the morning. Now most people around the 496 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: country see it at lunchtime, right occur U one, Yeah, 497 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: but it tapes at nine thirty and we have to 498 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: be done taping by eleven. And there was a reason 499 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: for that, which also ties into this show. It tied 500 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: into possibly what's happening to it now. It was explained 501 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: to us it was done that way because they wanted 502 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: to save money. The crew that's there, that's working in studio, 503 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: the stage hands and all these they work for GMA, 504 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: but then they're done working by eleven am, So we 505 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: had to tape GMA three and be done by eleven 506 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: am so we could share those guys and they didn't 507 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: have to pay anybody extra. 508 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 3: Well, they always had to stay that late, even before 509 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 3: GMA three happened, because you'll know, we tape this on 510 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 3: the East Coast in New York City, but there are 511 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: several time zones, so any news that breaks after GMA 512 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 3: on the East Coast gets off the air, there has 513 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 3: to be a staff there to break in for any 514 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 3: major event, and certainly that's happened plenty of times over 515 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 3: the years, so it was actually a built in safety 516 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 3: net for us to be there for GMA three between 517 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 3: nine thirty and eleven as well. 518 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: How many times did one of. 519 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 3: Us get pulled off the set upstairs to go downstairs 520 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: to update Good Morning America with some breaking news or 521 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 3: some new information or a different number that was released. 522 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 3: So it was in that sense no real financial skin 523 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 3: off their back because all the same people that had 524 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 3: to be there were there, and now instead of just 525 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 3: perhaps taking a break and chillin', they were manning cameras 526 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 3: and directing us. 527 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: So we are talented so we actually haven't had a 528 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: built in cost if you will is it wasn't necessarily 529 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: costing the network to have now the two of us 530 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: anchor the show, no matter what our salaries were, because 531 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: we were just kind of tied into another salary structure 532 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: or whatever. Fine, but you did have a whole staff there, 533 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: and that's the money that they are saving this And 534 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: we talked about this plenty, and folks don't realize GMA 535 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: and GMA three there was a rift between these shows 536 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: that we got caught up in the middle of. And 537 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: this has been a part of so much of the 538 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: story since we've left, and people talk about chemistry and 539 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: fill ins and and continuity and familiar faces and talent 540 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: and all these things. We were under GMA three and 541 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: had one executive producer. We had GMA with its executive producer, 542 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: So anytime GMA wanted something from us, they had to 543 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: go ask permission from GMA three, not nine wink wink. 544 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: We don't necessarily have to ask permission, but we will 545 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: just to play nice. And there was a struggle robes 546 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: we got caught in the middle of in being pulled 547 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: between these two shows constantly. 548 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 3: I remember one of the more frustrating ones was when 549 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 3: we were discussing whether or not you could come too 550 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 3: to London to cover the Queen's Jubilee, and there was 551 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 3: a big concern that they wanted you to stay back 552 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 3: to anchor GMA three, And we just thought, if we 553 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 3: already have the structure set up, why shouldn't we just 554 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 3: then take both of us and anchor the show from London. 555 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 3: But the amount of work and negotiating and back and 556 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 3: forth that had to happen for that two happened was 557 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 3: extraordinary and unnecessary and wouldn't be an issue now, I guess, 558 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 3: given this new structure. But when you had competing interest, 559 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 3: in competing shows, and competing egos and competing budgets, it 560 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 3: just it ended up being really difficult a lot of times. 561 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: This is the ultimate compliment to the two of us 562 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: is that we were asked we were the automatic fill 563 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: ins on Good Morning America. We of course had GMA 564 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: three that we were anchoring. How many they talk about, 565 00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: Look the eel can look up that we are not 566 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: knocking the show. The numbers are out there, the ratings 567 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: are out there. Today is I guess number one now 568 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: over Good Morning America consistently is now the ratings leader 569 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: in the morning. People so often talk about chemistry and 570 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: who's up there on set. You and I were called 571 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: on We've had vacations canceled before because they needed us 572 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: to get back and get on set to fill in. 573 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: They wouldn't. It was almost like they wouldn't let anybody 574 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: else fill in on that show. That's the point we 575 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: had gotten to with Good Morning America. So when the 576 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: GMA three thing comes around and yes, we got to 577 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: let go, there was a lot of talk about, well, 578 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's not the point is GMA three, 579 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: you're actually getting rid of the two people who are 580 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: actually you're de facto of anchors of the show as well. 581 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 3: Well. I would even say, basically, in addition to filling 582 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: in on the show in an anchor seat, if anything 583 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 3: major happened in the world in any form or fashion, 584 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 3: we're hitting the road and we're there for Good Morning 585 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 3: America and you know, look the other host everyone's got 586 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 3: busy schedules. I would say we were both the de 587 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 3: facto get the big interview, travel to go and get 588 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 3: it anywhere people. So we filled multiple roles on both shows, 589 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 3: and it ended up sometimes It was a tug of 590 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 3: war that I definitely remember feeling pulled in so many 591 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 3: different directions and no one could decide who. I mean. Ultimately, 592 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: GMA wins, but it ended up being so much harder 593 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 3: than it seemed like it had to be. 594 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: And now what we're seeing here with the show there 595 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: not because of the reasons we want it. We advocated 596 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: for GMA and JA three to be under one umbrella. 597 00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 3: We had conversations with Simone's swink saying, Simone, why can't 598 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 3: Good Morning America just take over GMA three and all 599 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 3: of these problems go away? And she said, trust me, 600 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 3: I know. So we had these conversations two and a 601 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 3: half years ago and knew with how things were happening 602 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 3: that it would be better for everybody. 603 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: And again, let's be clear, we weren't advocating for our 604 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: staff to go on. No, no, we were only advocating 605 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,239 Speaker 1: for us to be under that same GMA controlled an 606 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: umbrella to where we would have one person to be 607 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: able to say, yes, I'm sending this anchor here, I 608 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: want this anchor here, I want this person here instead 609 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: of us. Anytime yes, GMA wanted us, they had to 610 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: go through GMA three. Again not not wink wink, but 611 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: it just caused so much confusion and strife that was unnecessary. 612 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: That problem is being solved, but it's being forced. This 613 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: is at the. 614 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: Expense of the expense so much. 615 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 3: Yes, it's and it's and it's Look, as you mentioned, 616 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 3: we're not we're not breaking any news here. Anyone can 617 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 3: look up the ratings. But it's just sad to see 618 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 3: what's happened so that it had to be a financial decision, 619 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 3: not a not a strategic decision, but it was a 620 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 3: financial reaction. And so there's a difference when you make 621 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 3: the decision because it's going to be better versus it's 622 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 3: because this is what we have to do. 623 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: And again I don't know the show well enough now 624 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: to know what has happened. Look, television has changed, right, 625 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: they might have different competition now, new competition that was 626 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: a reason why the numbers went down or I don't 627 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: know what it may be, but it just I folks 628 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: looked at it, and I think so much emphasis and 629 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: so much has been put on our relationship and are 630 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: the reason we were together in the first place, and 631 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: that show came together and reason it may have worked 632 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,479 Speaker 1: so well. This was and I will even give ABC credit. 633 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if you and I would be in 634 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: a relationship today if it wasn't for ABC putting us together. Yes, 635 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: for years, Yes, on that show, on that show on 636 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: that network. I really do believe that, babe. 637 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I remember the first time being out 638 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 3: on assignment with you. Was it twenty sixteen for President 639 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 3: Trump's first inauguration on the Mall? We had worked adjacently 640 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 3: with each other, and on the set you would come 641 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 3: in and I was the news anchor, and you'd come 642 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 3: in and do the segment seven and we would and 643 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 3: I always knew. 644 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, that guy is so good. 645 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 3: I love the chemistry and he brings it even when 646 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 3: he doesn't want to, even when it's the sappiest, most 647 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 3: ridiculous puppy story, you still sold it. And I saw 648 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 3: that in you, and we we jibbed from the moment. 649 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 3: So when we got to go, we didn't do a 650 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 3: lot together, but we were there on the mall together 651 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 3: covering President Trump, and that was where I think initial 652 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 3: spark went off, and we got another assignment pretty quickly afterwards. 653 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: What was the one right after that Super Bowl that 654 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: was in Houston, yes, got that one in Houston. Okay, 655 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: that was fun. I can remember what you were wearing, 656 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: motorcycle jackets and jeans. 657 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 2: That's hilarious. 658 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: I remember that. 659 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 2: I don't know well, because I don't even know. 660 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 3: I'd have to go look at the picture. But I 661 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 3: do have a picture because Jesse Palmer was there. It 662 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 3: was you, me Jesse Palmer, and that was I just thought, Wow, 663 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 3: these are two of my favorite guys to work with, 664 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 3: and what a special So that was that for me 665 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 3: was when I just knew that I wanted to figure 666 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 3: out how to work with you. We started talking about 667 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 3: doing a podcast together. 668 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: Back then we wanted to do an ABC News podcast 669 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: did together because. 670 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 3: We thought we had this plan because we had so 671 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 3: much fun working together and so much respect for each 672 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 3: other working together, we said, you know what, let's put 673 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 3: a podcast together. It's funny how the order ended up 674 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 3: being the opposite, and then the ABC News executives will 675 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 3: hear it and they'll actually organically witness our yes, our chemistry, 676 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 3: and then they'll give us a show together. We actually 677 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 3: thought that it just all happened in reverse. 678 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: Now we have a podcast, so so now we go, okay, 679 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: keep moving that forward. To that was twenty sixteen. Yeah, 680 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: and we Yeah, look, I used to come on set, Yes, 681 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: like you said, I didn't notice it, but you said 682 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: they would stick me down by you. Yep, anytime when 683 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: I was on set. But then you move forward to 684 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: what was the next one we the next opportunity we 685 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: had on together. 686 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 3: Well, we started filling in together on the set of 687 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 3: Good Morning America. You would fill in for Michael Strahan 688 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 3: and I would fill in for Robin and do George. 689 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: Much before twenty twenty. I don't know. 690 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 3: I actually it's all a blurb before twenty twenty, honestly, 691 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 3: but I know it was happening, And the moments it happened, 692 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 3: we would actually have to say to each other, Okay, 693 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,919 Speaker 3: let's not have too much fun because it's gonna piss 694 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 3: off George, or it's gonna piss off the control room 695 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 3: because they're gonna hear like you too. 696 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: Stop. 697 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 2: So we were on our best behavior, but it was 698 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 2: almost as if we were giddy getting to work together. 699 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: That's a true story. And what does that say about us? 700 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: That we were having such a good time that we 701 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: didn't want to upset everybody else? 702 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 2: Yes, that I felt like that, Yeah, because. 703 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: There's there there. It can be tense and it can 704 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: be left tight, and it can't be that kind that 705 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: we were. So we didn't want to spread joy. We 706 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: kept it in afraid of what repercussion. 707 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't want to be those annoying people who 708 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 3: were enjoying their anyway. 709 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: Okay, so we're filling in together. But once you were 710 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 1: doing jim A three or the Pandemic show, you finally 711 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: took a vacation in June of twenty twenty. Yes, right, 712 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: and so this is where it all came about. I 713 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: ended up filling in for you for nine days. I 714 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: always remember it was nine days at the end of June, 715 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: and after that, affiliates everybody started buzzing about, Oh, those 716 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: two are going to be together now. It wasn't so 717 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: I didn't have an agent at the time. There was 718 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: nobody advocating for me. There was nobody saying, hey, what 719 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: about this. Hey, but they weren't even saying they were 720 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: looking for We're also. 721 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 3: In the middle of a pandemic, so it was kind 722 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 3: of a strange time. I just remember I came back 723 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 3: from that. It was a road trip because we weren't 724 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 3: flying anywhere obviously, and I think within you would know 725 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 3: the day exactly. But I got a call from our 726 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 3: executive producer, Kat mackenzie and said, we have an idea. 727 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 3: How would you if we brought on a co anchor? 728 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 3: And I said, okay, but who? 729 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? Who? 730 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 3: And she said TJ Holmes and I remember just thinking 731 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 3: this is so crazy. We spent years trying to figure 732 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 3: out how to convince the executives that we would be 733 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 3: good together, and now when I least expected it, when 734 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 3: I didn't even we weren't even advocating for it, all 735 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 3: of a sudden, now they're saying, hey, why don't you 736 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 3: two anchor together? And I laughed, I said, that is 737 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 3: a hard yes from me. And I always was shocked 738 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 3: by the next phone call I got, which was from you, 739 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 3: and you told me I don't know if I should 740 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 3: do that, And I just thought. 741 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 2: Are you crazy? 742 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: Why would you even? 743 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 2: And you know what, it was a sweet reason why 744 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 2: you hesitated. 745 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: Because to your point in the thing that had you 746 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: in tears here earlier, it was your baby, right, this 747 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: is something you started, and I didn't want to come 748 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: in after the fact and somebody's on our territory. This 749 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: is our thing that was my first hesitation, my first 750 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: reaction to it. And yes, we talked through it and 751 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 1: everything was fine eventually, but that was my first reaction. 752 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 1: And so we're to talk this out. We haven't talked 753 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: about GMA three this much in forever, so to be 754 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: talking it out now, it's getting sadder. Actually, as we're 755 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: talking about it, it was that this show has meant 756 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: everything in our lives. By that, I mean it's gotten 757 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: me to the person I'm spending the rest of my 758 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: life with. It got me to this incredible, awful episode 759 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: in my life that I don't wish upon anybody, but 760 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: it will absolutely be a big part of my story, 761 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: and it was actually the greatest achievement of my professional career. 762 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: All of those things are true, you know. 763 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 3: It's Yes, the biggest prize that came out of that 764 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,439 Speaker 3: show was our relationship, because we knew we liked each other, 765 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 3: but we fell. 766 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 2: In love. 767 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 3: On that show like we did, and so that is 768 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 3: also a huge reason why it will always forever be 769 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 3: a big part of me and us. I will also 770 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 3: tell you I don't know that I've ever shared this, 771 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 3: but it restored my faith in journalism because if you'll 772 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 3: recall the November before I got caught on a hot 773 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 3: mic frustrated about the fact that I could not report 774 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 3: on Jeffrey Epstein and had been for years unable to 775 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 3: get my story out, and I was almost certain my 776 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 3: career at ABC News was going to be over. At 777 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 3: that point, I got pulled off the air for a 778 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 3: month without them acknowledging it. I stopped filling in. You 779 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 3: didn't see me very much. I was begging to get 780 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 3: on the air basically to get a report here or 781 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 3: something there. And when the pandemic happened, all of a sudden, 782 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 3: I was the person there and available and stepped in 783 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 3: and was able to then do this show. And when 784 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 3: I got pandemic What you Need to Know, GMA three, 785 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 3: What You Need to Know, I felt like I found 786 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 3: my purpose again. I was deeply considering leaving the industry. 787 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,760 Speaker 3: I was deeply considering not renewing a contract and walking 788 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 3: away forever from journalism because I was so disheartened. And 789 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:27,920 Speaker 3: that show brought me back to life journalistically speaking, and 790 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 3: then I found the love of my life and the process. 791 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 3: So yeah, that show meant everything to me. 792 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: And so it's rope. It's difficult anytime it's offensive, and 793 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 1: we can't answer everybody what is wildly offensive anybody anytime 794 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: somebody suggests that we might gloat or be excited or 795 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: root for the demise of that show or anybody at 796 00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: that network, that place is special to us. That show 797 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: is special to us, and no matter what, we are 798 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: still rooting for it. But this was the first time 799 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: that you and I privately, certainly not publicly, but folks 800 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: might not believe this, this latest round of news is 801 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:27,320 Speaker 1: the first time that we ever had a real thought 802 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: of or a desire or a wish that we could 803 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: be back there, a thought that man, I wish we 804 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 1: never left, or have a regret, even because we don't 805 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 1: deal in regrets at all. But this is special to us, 806 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: this show is, and this. 807 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 2: Sucks, It absolutely sucks. 808 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 3: Good Morning America saved my life. I mean I had 809 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 3: my Mamma Van, my mammogram in that Mamma Van because 810 00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 3: of an assignment from Good Morning America. So that show 811 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 3: is This isn't just about a job or a career. 812 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 3: This is about for me life or death. I mean, 813 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:16,839 Speaker 3: these are heavy, important, real feelings and topics that all 814 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,760 Speaker 3: stem from that building and those people and that show, 815 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 3: and we are rooting for them, and there is yeah, 816 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 3: I mean, there's just so much sadness that we can't 817 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 3: be a part of it still, and we always we 818 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,439 Speaker 3: never I think everyone knows this. Hopefully we've made it clear. 819 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 3: We never wanted to leave. We loved our jobs and 820 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 3: we loved the people we worked with, and we're so 821 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 3: sad to see what's happened. 822 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 1: And you know what, it's fair to say, they're going 823 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,879 Speaker 1: to be okay, right, they'll figure it out, they'll find 824 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: a way. When the industry is evolving and digital streaming, 825 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,280 Speaker 1: a lot of attentions being put there. But these things 826 00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: happen in the. 827 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 2: My grandma, these things happen. 828 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: But in the business long enough, you see these, you do? 829 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 1: You see these just awful turnovers and whatnot. And look, 830 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 1: I had another note in here that I wanted to 831 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 1: give you before we wrapped up, and not give you, 832 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,279 Speaker 1: but I was wondering, do you remember do you have 833 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: a fond of GM A three memory? I didn't. I 834 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: didn't plan on this, but I'm thinking now for myself, 835 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: even a fond is GM A three memory? 836 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 3: One of my I can tell you probably my favorite 837 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 3: favorite GM A three episode was when we were in 838 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 3: London on the final day, up on that rooftop and 839 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 3: just to say, look at how far this show has 840 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 3: come and look at us here, you know, after we 841 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 3: fought so hard to be there and to bring the 842 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 3: show that we had, we did feel like we had 843 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 3: the support of the network. 844 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 2: Then in that moment, yes, yes, I was. 845 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: Trying to remember. Yes, it was for me. 846 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 3: I was like this, this is such a surreal, beautiful phenomenon, 847 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,839 Speaker 3: And in that moment, I thought we made it. 848 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 2: This show is relevant. 849 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 3: It got the support of bringing its entire or not 850 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,320 Speaker 3: its entire, but a large majority of its staff to 851 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 3: cover one of the biggest events in the world this century. 852 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 3: I felt the weight and monumentalness of that moment, and 853 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 3: I just really remember shooting that and feeling so much 854 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 3: joy on that. 855 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 2: Rooftop with you. 856 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: I had to go back. It's weird to go back 857 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: to London. We did shows out of London, full shows 858 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,280 Speaker 1: out of London that were incredible. We had experiences around London, 859 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: to shooting different stories around that was incredible. That we 860 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 1: served both shows. That was a special time and look, 861 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: I want to make sure we say this well, I 862 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: don't know the anchor of Current DeMarco. Yes, I don't 863 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: know him well. I think i've met him before. I 864 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: don't know him well, but Eva with someone we have 865 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: known for a long time and just absolute and we 866 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,359 Speaker 1: know how good she is and capable she is and kind, 867 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: all of. 868 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 2: This absolutely kind, kind, as good as they come. 869 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,800 Speaker 1: We're absolutely rooting. This is not a we're making no comparisons. 870 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: They were put into a situation they didn't expect to 871 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: be put into with that show. So this this is 872 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: not a matter of us comparison, making comparison or we're better, 873 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 1: we can do it better. It's just a matter of 874 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,920 Speaker 1: we did. We were there, and we're able to establish 875 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 1: that thing in a different way, and now they're in 876 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 1: different times and they're not doing as much trial, they're 877 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:33,800 Speaker 1: not going live everywhere. 878 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,600 Speaker 2: That Yeah, I think it's important to point out too, 879 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,279 Speaker 2: we don't know. That's the thing. We don't know what 880 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 2: would have happened, you know, dud We have no idea. Immediately, 881 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 2: we have no idea. 882 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, very next month we could have taken a 883 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: note that. 884 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 3: The what ifs are gone, all stretches of the spectrum, 885 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,720 Speaker 3: like who knows what would have happened or could have happened, 886 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 3: and that is such a The industry changes from month 887 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 3: to month and certainly from year to years, so who 888 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 3: knows what we would have been up against. 889 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: But I loved it. It's true, So it's I couldn't 890 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 1: believe my reaction either genuine reaction to hear him say 891 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 1: over the phone that what had happened to GMA three 892 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: It was devastating. So we continue to root for them. 893 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: Our hearts go out to everybody that loses the job 894 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 1: over there, and we're rooting for him to come back 895 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:31,839 Speaker 1: in a major way. 896 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 3: Maybe this new restructuring will be exactly the lifeline that 897 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,359 Speaker 3: they needed to really start growing and building back again, 898 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 3: and we certainly hope that's the case for everybody. 899 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 1: And here's the lie. I guess we've heard these before, 900 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,280 Speaker 1: but the line rethinking the way we work to future 901 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: proof our team regrettably includes reductions to our extraordinary staff. 902 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,800 Speaker 1: That was the line from the statement may from the 903 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: ABC News president. And you hear that, Yeah, you understand it. 904 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 1: But when you're on the way out the door, that's tough. 905 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,840 Speaker 1: That's tough. And look, you and I have been to 906 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: people on the way out the door for very different reasons. 907 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: But we have and it seems like nobody leaves that. 908 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 1: Who told us that nobody leaves? Obviously? Pretty? 909 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm oh, I remember who told us that someone 910 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 3: who wants worked there? 911 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: Who would know? Okay, you just can't get out of there? 912 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 1: Pretty Oh my goodness. So to our folks there, love you, 913 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: still rooting for you, and I guess the industry is changing. 914 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,799 Speaker 1: I mean, go through the names. This is this is 915 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,000 Speaker 1: the sign right, how much the industry is changed. 916 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,000 Speaker 3: To copy, next, next, Norah, O'Donnell. 917 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 1: Yep, And we got a few more for you here 918 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,040 Speaker 1: as well. Probably, But there's going to be more of 919 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: these names because the industry can't support the contracts. We've 920 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: been told this for several years. So these big, big, 921 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: top dollar talent you are going to see start to go. 922 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 3: By the way, it's hard to justify twenty million dollar 923 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 3: plus contracts with these declining numbers, declining ratings, declining revenue. 924 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 2: Something has to give. 925 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,000 Speaker 1: So was the result going to be cheaper, not as 926 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,840 Speaker 1: well known, and maybe not as talented talent? 927 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:17,439 Speaker 2: Yeah? 928 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: Is that going to work? 929 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 2: Who knows? 930 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's a whole new world and a 931 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 3: whole new landscape with so many competing news sources. 932 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,439 Speaker 1: Well, Robes, I am very happy to still be sitting 933 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:30,880 Speaker 1: next to you. 934 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got our podcast. 935 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: So folks can see. She is still to this day 936 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,399 Speaker 1: sitting to my left, just as if we were on 937 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: television right now. But folks, we always appreciate you listening 938 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,879 Speaker 1: to us. For now, I'm GJ and I'm Amy. 939 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 2: Have a great day, everybody,