WEBVTT - CES 2026: Part Six (Thursday) 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:06.680 Media, enter the mind gym and pick up some brain weights. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.720 It's time for Better Offlines coverage of the Consumer Electronics Show, and. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:11.760 I am your host ed Zitron. 0:00:23.920 --> 0:00:26.160 We're back here in the plaza and beautiful Las Vegs 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.240 Nevarda bringing you another episode. It is Thursday and we're 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:32.160 still covering cees. We are still here with an amazing 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:34.159 assortment of guests from the tech industry. We've got an 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.080 open bar, we've got tacos, a place to sit down 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.159 for members of the media, whether or not they join 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.640 us on the microphone. And of course we've got some 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.640 new contestants and some old contestants revisiting guests. My first is, 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:48.440 of course, Chloe Radcliffe, standup comedian and actress from He 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:49.199 is this thing on. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:50.600 You're never going to get rid of me. I'm like 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:51.160 bed buds. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:55.600 I love it with Cradley Booper and of course Matt 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:56.880 Bender Mashball joins. 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:58.600 Us say hey three times in a row. 0:00:58.520 --> 0:00:59.040 What's up? 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.600 And then the wonderful to Vendra Hadowar, Evan Gadget HEO, 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.039 let's go. And you said you wanted to talk shit 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:06.040 on Dell, so let's. 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:08.679 Give the man. 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:10.080 Give us the history. 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.920 So last year, Dell did this the dumbest thing I've 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:15.480 seen a tech company do in a very long time. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.240 They were like, Hey, we all these brands. Yeah, you 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.880 know and love XPS, that thing that's been selling for decades. 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.560 People love it. Let's kill all that. Let's call all 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:27.720 computers Dell, Dell, pro, Dell, Promax. Those names may sound familiar, 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:30.200 they're a little apply. Yeah, And when that was announced 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.040 last year, I was at a press conference and Michael 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.440 Dell was there announcing all of this, and my first 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.039 question to him is like, what do you have to 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.240 gain by copying Apple? Like, what are you doing here? 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:38.840 Yeah? 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:40.559 He did not have a good response to that. Fast 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:44.680 forward a year, every other PC manufacturer shipment's growing, Dell 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.640 down because nobody knew what the hell Dell was producing 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.640 this year, especially the people who wanted an XPS. So 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:58.120 they turned they turned around, they brought back the XPS brand. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.640 They're actually doubling down on it and all so fixing 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.560 all the stupid issues we've brought up in our reviews 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:03.600 over the last few years too. 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.800 So it's double vindication. What I guess back, what are 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.160 the things that they've messed up? What if they fix 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.040 have you seen the XPS lately? I have not. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.680 So they did this thing. Sometimes designers go a little crazy. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.120 They're like, what if what if you couldn't see a 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.560 track pad? What if it was just all wrisk pad? 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.959 So they did that. They made an invisible track pad 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.919 that works and it looks cool, but it's hard to 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:27.520 use because you can't tell where it begins. 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.840 It's hard to use because a huge part of using 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.600 a track pad is being able to see. 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.600 I feel it, at least feel I have a problem 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:36.800 with my MacBook Probe. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.040 The track put pad is slightly bigger than usual. It 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.560 is nasty, clammy wrists get on it. But an invisible 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:43.840 one I would snap that thing. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.000 But also, at least with a MacBook right, you have 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:46.440 an edge. 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.079 You can see what it is. You can see that. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.079 You don't even need to see it. You need to 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.080 feel it, right because you're not looking at the track. 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:55.720 I could see I could see an invisible track pad 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.359 working if they made like the technology to just extend 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.560 it so that area is a track pad. 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:03.200 I mean you're saying, is that's not the case. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:04.480 A lot of it is a track pad, but the 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.840 very edges aren't. Anyway, what they did with the new redesign. 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.040 They put just little little notches so you feel it. 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:09.440 Wow. 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:13.079 And these are just like basic usability things. 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.200 To think about. They could have. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.480 They could have done that first, but anyway, And also 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.040 the function row on the Dell xps is for the 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.320 last couple of years was this like capacitive touch thing. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.200 They weren't real keys. There were buttons that kind of 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.239 changed when you hit a button and they disappeared in 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.640 bright sunlight. You couldn't see them. So like your function keys, 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:34.640 the volume button, all that stuff just disappeared. And I 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:35.920 talked to that. I was like, did you guys not 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.560 go outside? Did you not bring this computer outside? 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:42.080 Don't see you're talking to computer eduering didn't go outside? 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.440 But like wait, but did they say whether they did? 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.120 They were like it was COVID and we were designing, 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.840 you know. It was like the excuses were it was 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.360 kind of a rough time to design. I think sometimes 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.320 some companies let their designers go crazy. Yeah, we're gonna 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.000 out Apple. Apple. The thing about Apple is that they 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:03.880 they at least tend to think about usability and practical functional. 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.960 The company best known for its usability. Yeah, like very 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.360 consumer facing. They don't like changing things up other than 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:11.960 liquid gloss, which fucking sucks. 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.520 You could argue about liquid glass. Yeah, but they're charging 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.279 the mouse on the bottom. Oh that's like Johnny I bullshit, 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.400 but Apple itself doesn't tend to do Yeah, so anyway, 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.599 that's they're just keys. Now, they're just keys. And they 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:25.800 these new the XPS fourteen and sixteen or a lighter 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.280 than ever. This XPS fourteen is like about three pounds, 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:32.800 which is pretty great. Yeah for a fourteens laptop. So yeah, 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.440 total vindication. They fixed a lot of the issues. The 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.320 branding is back. It is funny talking to people at 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.880 Dell because all the executives and the marketing people like, hey, yeah, 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.160 this rebranding's gonna go great, and all the underlings, like 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.039 all the people who've been working on these computers and 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.080 have dedicated decades of their lives with their like what 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:52.359 what is happening here? Like I built XPS machines, you know, 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:56.039 And they felt really bad about it. So on every level, 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.479 the branding, the rebranding was a failure. XPS is back, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.240 and I'm happy about that. And we just got to 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.560 tell Dell for like that whole when I saw them again. Yeah, 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.600 we were right, We told you, we told you this. 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.799 Well, there's a misinformation going on around Dallas well because 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.280 everyone's saying, oh, Dell claim that they're backing off AI 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.480 branding and people don't like AI. Apparently, David Girard, you 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:21.320 chased this down, Journalius, Javid Girard, Jesus Christ. He apparently 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.320 that was never said. And Dell is full scale AI 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.479 like anyone who thinks that they're not. They have forecasted 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.120 twenty five billion dollars of AI server sales this year. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.240 Do not believe Dell's lies. Do not let them lie 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.320 to you and claim this isn't the case. They are 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.200 fully AI piled and will be punished by the dark 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:39.839 gods when the AI bubble bursts. 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.840 I've had some interesting conversations with people at Dell who 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.560 were pissed off at Microsoft and pissed off about the 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:49.320 AIPC push because it's literally all marketing bullshit, as you've 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.320 covered extensively, that has not led to actually useful futures 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.080 for people. So, yeah, Dell is invest in AI. What 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.000 I have noticed is that they're not saying AIPC. They're 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.920 not out there shipping saying like hey, we got the 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.479 latest co pilot plus systems because nobody cared. Nobody cared 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:05.280 about copilotplus. 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.320 They try, saying they try. 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:10.200 Just here they did, and now it's just like, hey, 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.480 you know what's great a computer? A computer that works? 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.159 What if a computer? Yeah? 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:16.240 What if? 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.280 What if a computer was a thing that you could 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.960 see the things at the keys? 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:22.840 You could see it, you could feel the track pas. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.039 Basically, I will say that from my now you know, 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.680 this is my first year at CESU, from my relative 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.760 limited exposure to the kind of products that get shown at. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:33.160 The ce S. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.680 Somebody being like, hey, do you want a laptop that 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.359 you have no idea where you're touching on it? Do 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.520 you want a laptop that has a bunch of buttons 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.279 but you're going to have to use it in pretty 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.160 limited facilities to make sure that you know exactly what 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.599 you are clicking. That's the new product is. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.040 The whole world can be described by like, I think 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.320 you should leave sketches, right, yea car sketches. I want 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.760 a car where the steering wheel doesn't fly off. And 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:00.239 that's basically what we're saying. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.440 No, no, it's it's literally there's two cys is two 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:04.720 I think you should leave sketches. 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:05.080 It's that. 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.920 And it's also a guy who just walks around going 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:08.800 what the hell is that? 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.920 What the hell is that? Her niece smart. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.000 Glasses that goes that's a flower paw. 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:17.120 Oh my god, who walks into his pantry and goes, oh, 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:18.360 what the fuck do I cook? 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.240 The I've got too much shit on me sketch. Yeah, yep, 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.080 I just can't serve. That's Victoria song. 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:24.560 Yeah. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.480 The just too many wearables, too many wearables. Although we 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:30.440 had a good chat with the guy from a Pebble 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.560 who's back. Everyone likes Pebble good wearables. Actually, I said, 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:36.600 I said smart rings were bullshit last year and I 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.720 still believe that. Sorry, Victoria, but the Pebble smart ring 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:40.600 kind of cool. 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.400 What do you think is bullshit about smart rings? 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.600 The form factor means they can never really do much. 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:48.000 The battery life is always gonna be. 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.280 Sorry form factor you mean being ring. 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.760 It's a ring where it can never have like a 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.360 big battery. It can never be that. So it's very 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.120 limited in terms of what you can do. And all 0:07:58.160 --> 0:07:59.800 the rings we've seen, I know you've worn a couple 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:03.240 of like they're just they're fine, but you know what's better. 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.080 It's just a smart watch, is this not? As it 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:06.600 doesn't feel a. 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.679 Push on you on that. I find smart watches very annoying, 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:15.040 and I agree, like my weird, fucking like oddly dainty wrists. 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:22.880 I mean that, like the see muscle there, thank you clothing, 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.400 thank you Chloe, just destroying me. 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:31.720 Like my Apple watch for some reason, just doesn't get 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.439 a full connection no matter how tight it's interesting and 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:36.800 like this ring for the most part works, but even then, 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.839 like it's I still don't get a full connection sometimes 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.760 sometimes it doesn't really yeah, even then it doesn't recognize 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:43.520 a full workout. 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:45.560 Sometimes it's it kind. 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.920 Of wearables are personal, Like that's the thing. 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.360 Yeah, we're all weird, Like what what we like to 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:51.560 touch with textures we like? 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.480 I think I've learned. I just don't like ring stuff, 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:54.839 you know, so like that's just. 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.160 It's hard to make a generous product in that way. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:58.760 The thing is, too, you have to be the type 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:01.720 of person who wears whatever that wearable is, like the 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.040 non tech version of it too, Like I don't wear watches. 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:05.600 I want to wear smart watch. I don't wear rings. 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.480 I want to wear a smart ring. I don't wear glasses, 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:08.840 So I want to wear smart glasses. 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.600 That's a big one too. Smart glasses also kind of bullshit. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:13.640 But the Pebble thing is kind of cool because the 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:16.640 Pebble guy was always like, first off, their thing was 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.640 eat ink smart watches, like back in twenty fourteen. Yeah, 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:24.720 those are coming back. He's bringing back that's been so 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.520 Pebble used to have these smart watches that lasted for 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:30.520 weeks and just they were very basic. They could like 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:31.640 upload notifications. 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.280 He used to kindle. Yes, so it's like that. It's 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:35.599 like that, but watch. 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.800 Not really an LCD screen but more like papery. 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:38.120 Yeah. 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:39.800 Yeah, it's it's the Piper screen. 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:41.880 And I can read my book on my watch. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.560 Well, I mean I don't think you. 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.040 Could read your notifications on your watch for sure. But 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:50.120 he's bringing back that because what happened was fitbit butt 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.520 Pebble Google butt fitbit, and he went to Google and 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.880 just like, hey, you're my software, my Pebble software. Nothing's happening. 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.360 Can you open source at and Google for once did 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.720 a good thing. I was like, yes, the open sources 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.319 so nice. Now now the pebblic guy can go back 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:07.360 and make hardware using that software. So the pebble watches 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.120 are back. But he has a ring that looks really cool. 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:11.760 But the thing is with the ring from what I pod, 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:13.600 you have to physically hold it down. 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.880 Well, so the ring all it does, it does one 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.760 thing you're supposed to do it really well, you hit 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:20.840 a button on the ring. It takes notes. 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.160 Yes, do you have to physically hold it down? 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.160 Then? I don't know if we also we looked this 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.959 up and I was saying that I because I as 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.920 a comedian, usually my phone background says document everything. I 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.520 record every single set that I do and stand up 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.599 in my voice memos like I use the notes and 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:39.679 the voice memos in my phone are the two things 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:40.120 that like. 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.800 Yes, unlock my perfect for you, Perfect for Me supposedly 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:45.080 will last two years. 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:49.840 Except also I love to like sometimes I'll just record 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.439 a meeting and not tell the other person. Now that's 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.080 legal in the state that I live, but it's a 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.200 way for me to be like, Okay, I remember, like 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.240 if I'm practicing pitch for a show that I'm trying 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.760 to sell or whatever, I'm like, I just want to 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.120 be able to be in the moment, but also remember 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:07.840 how I did this and how they react to and 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.560 what questionures they asked? Whatever, Anyway, this ring sounds like 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:13.680 a thing that I would use. Yeah, then I looked 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.560 up what it looks like and it really does look 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.120 like ye my ring that definitely does not have a 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:20.199 microphone in it. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:21.800 So I did just look this up. 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.760 You just have to click it once to record it, 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.000 and it's seventy five bucks. I hate to say it, 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.240 I actually kind of want this because I'm not trying 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:32.480 to surreptitiously record people. But I absolutely like, usually got 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.480 an idea thirty seconds before I meant to fall asleep, 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.440 I remember thirteen things I would like a reminder for. Yes, now, 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.080 perhaps I wonn't be wearing a ring at that time, 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.160 but for seeably I'll walk around be like, shit, I 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:43.680 need to remember this, shit, I need to remember this. 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:45.920 Or even just if I could say an idea and 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.160 it says here it's an on device LM yep, and 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:51.480 that I find quite interesting because. 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.160 Not going to the cloud, not going to the cloud, not. 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.880 Melting giraffes as a means of powering GPUs. 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.560 On which device on a ring on your phone? 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.520 That's kind of what I'm trying to work out, and 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:03.120 we don't. 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.240 Yeah, I don't. We just got a whole LLM in 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:05.640 a ring. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.000 No, that's kind of what I can get there. 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:14.719 It's I'm asking such like podun kill bill, can you've 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:16.200 plait a whole robot on that ring? 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.959 I actually will push back. That's not a podunk question. 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:22.240 That's a perfectly fucking reasonable one, because especially when we're 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.960 being told we need eighty nine data centers, we must, 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.719 we must knock down entire neighborhoods and put up a 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.040 data center the size of I don't know New York 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.400 City for meta. I understand the question. I'm going to 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.240 assume that this thing needs you need to connect it 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.120 to your phone, and your phone it has I. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:41.240 Don't fit a whole AI on your phone. 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:45.800 Yes, yes, but I'm guessing it's a very simplified, transcription 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:47.000 specific one. 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:47.880 But I do not know. 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:48.880 It might it might. 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.079 It might store the recordings on the ring in case 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.320 you don't have the connectivity of your phone in the moment. 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.240 Now it says completely on device, you don't require an 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:57.920 Internet connection. 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.559 Okay, perfectly, I'm about this ring right here, right now. 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:06.400 The show seventy five bucks March twenty twenty six, last 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.000 two years now that's the thing. It's not rechargeable. So 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:14.440 what once you once, once it's done, you send it 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:14.959 back to them? 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:15.280 Why? 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:19.320 Because he is very much like I think this is true. 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.240 We have too much shit to charge, Like I'm just 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.280 tired of it. So he's like, Okay, what if a 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.880 ring lasts two years and if you actually are still 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.200 using it by then send it back and maybe get 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:34.200 a replacement. Actually that is probably better than holding onto 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:35.120 a charger that you will know. 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.600 I actually what happens a year and a half in though, 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.000 if it's got less of a charge in that last thing. 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.800 It can record roughly twelve to fifteen hours of recording 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:46.520 and it lasts for two years. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.600 I'm sorry, I don't know if you're a journalist. 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:51.800 Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait it. 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.520 Runs out fifteen hours recording total. No, no, no, you 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.199 can that's what it says here on the website. I 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.240 mean I'm not to be able to offload. 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:01.800 Yeah, we have not gone to the specific leve it, 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.800 but it definitely he wants to. 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.880 Hold twelve to fifteen hours total and then you can 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:06.280 dump that. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.480 Yeah, but you just we have the technology. Clear. 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:15.440 This is now I'm an article on not my outlet, 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.160 but Android authority uh with. It's expected to last for 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.160 up to two years with normal usage, and normal usage 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:26.360 is described as ten to twenty times per day, recording 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.800 three to six second voice notes. 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.680 I wanted to love this. I wanted to so bad. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:38.840 But if you're thinking a journalist and you do what what, 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:44.600 so fifteen is equal like thirty thirty minute interviews, that's 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:45.800 you're never going to record. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:46.760 It's not for interviews. 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:48.520 Yeah, you're not going to record a full interview. 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.480 That was for you on the toilet. This is for 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:51.240 you in the shower. 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:52.440 Do you have a lot of thoughts there? 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.320 It's toilet thoughts, it's shower thoughts. The storage thing we 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.640 have the ability to date like that that could be solved. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.240 But I'm just kind of like, if this is if 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.200 this is meant to be for quick thoughts, fine, but 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.960 I'm just like, as someone, especially because it does the transcription, 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:08.920 I'm just like, that would be really useful. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:10.160 But I guess you can do that with the Apple 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:10.640 Watch down. 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:13.720 But also three to six second voice notes. I mean, 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.080 is that really saving you the time that you couldn't 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:17.840 just whip out your phone and type it yourself. 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.160 Yeah, I'm kind of like, actually does that up? 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.560 Yeah, I do actually think that being able to say 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:27.240 like a very quick thing captain's log. Yeah, yeah, I 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.480 do think that that is cool. The use case that 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:34.800 I would be using it for is if I I 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.400 am always like writing down in a conversation, if somebody 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.760 says a very smart thing or like analyzing something in 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.680 a really cool way, I'm always like, hold on, I 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:44.800 want to write that down. And so if I could 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:49.760 just be like, hey, can you explain, like explain to 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:53.080 me why this movie didn't wasn't wasn't effective in the 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:54.920 way that we both felt that it wasn't effective. But 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.800 I am not articulate enough to be able to put 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.400 this into words. But you, my boyfriend, who is a 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:04.600 smart director, can say it into my ring. And but 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.320 that explanation is going to take sixty seconds. Like I, 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:09.720 I do think that there's a use case and that 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.520 it's well sixty seconds though, is your sixty second note? 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:16.600 Is your entire use the last years? 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:16.960 Exactly? 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.040 That's what I'm saying. I would be doing that in 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:19.760 my mind too. 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.920 If you give me a time frame like this, if 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:23.600 you want this the last two years, you need to 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.640 use it no more than sixty ten times you're going 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.760 to have your phone, But every time I use it, 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:30.440 I'd be like, oh, this was just number six, Do 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:31.960 I really want to go and push it for the 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:32.440 next note? 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.240 And that is how you know that you did not 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.160 grow up with money. 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:37.080 I still. 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:40.440 That's a very clear class. 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.600 I will give them credit and that they specifically say 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.920 this is not designed to record your whole life or meetings. 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.160 It is very much a reminder thing. I can kind 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.280 of see it. And they're all numerous times where I 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.600 will just be sitting there and be like, oh, I 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:59.080 have an idea, like what if Ben wois Blanc interrogated 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.200 Cuba for example? But like the use ones too, but 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:06.199 it's I also like typing, but again different if I 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.959 can see different strokes of different folks, that's fine. And 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:11.240 also Chloe does literally do this. She's like, can you 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:11.800 say that again? 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.320 So I can run this might be a Chloe Radcliffe 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:15.639 approved device potentially. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:17.840 How the way I do reviews is often I'm like 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.960 out just like dictating thoughts into my phone. So that's 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.880 like often the thing. The other thing I'll point out 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.720 is that you know we the lifespan is the thing, 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.240 like will people want basically a disposable device. But what 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.639 if I think you send it back to them, it 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:36.080 gets recycled, the battery gets recycled, good for them. Electronics 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.320 recycling not that great, but matter than just need. 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:40.200 To put it in the mail. 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:43.080 Like it's just see the moment I'm told I have 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.359 to mail or something, I just want to I want 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.440 to jump off a fucking bridge. 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:48.760 Like I was just like, oh, you want me to 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.720 go to the post office. Let me just let me, 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:53.600 let me Dwyer mode. 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.400 You get a self self you know, label or whatever, 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:57.960 you drop it. 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:03.600 No, no, no, no, you gotta print. You gotta print. 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.119 You know they have there's that startup that does the 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:09.000 thing for returns right now where you get a barcode 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:09.880 and you just bring it to like. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:14.920 Yeah, and that ship. That's cool. Wait with like Amazon 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.679 returns and as. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.280 Long as you go to the ups store with coals 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.639 as well, I think, okay, yeah that's Amazon. 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:23.960 There's also another company that just doesn't. 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:26.080 Amberjack. 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.280 Amberjack is a shoe company I used, and they have 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:29.520 it where it's just you scan. It was like you 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:31.600 can take it to coals or something, which is cool. 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:33.560 Like it's weird, Like there are little things like that 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:34.760 which are really useful. 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:39.240 Like I said, this is a dyspractic physical coordinational disability. 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.560 Putting together, like opening a package isn't fun. Packing a 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.200 package sucks. Is like the pain box. 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:45.439 For me. 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.879 It's like if you're like, return this with a label, 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.639 I'm like, you want me to touch the thing with 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:52.920 the knife on it and the type. 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:56.640 It's also like that's where millennial breakdown happens. It's like, oh, 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.800 this is a task, not so much that takes time. 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.480 Let me explain thispraxia though. Yeah, it's not like it's 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:03.040 like a task. 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.760 It's picking up a box and putting tape in a 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.120 straight line is genuinely difficult. 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:08.720 Like my brain. 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.480 It's in like the more complex it is, like it 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.880 actually like is upsetting. Like it's meant like I'm sure 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.560 the few dispractics who listen like yeah, fuck you dude, 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.040 boxes suck, but it is really like that, and it's 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:22.280 hard to describe because it sounds like I'm just being 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.840 a baby. I wish I was. I wish this was 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.320 just me being like ooh, coot put a book together. No, 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.879 it's really fucking difficult. It's really it's so difficult for me. 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:32.560 So it's like, oh, I gave you a label. 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:34.159 You gave me a death sentence. 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.719 To the point of what you're saying there, we have 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:38.320 the technology. 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:39.320 Yeah, two weeks is cool. 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:40.720 You have a Cura code. You bring it to the story. 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:42.840 They're like, I'll deal with this problem for you, which 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.280 is can you walk away happy? Millennial? 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:44.640 Yes? 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.160 Yes, I was okay, I want to In defensive millennials, 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:47.840 are you a millennial? 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:48.320 Yeah? 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:52.080 Yeah, yeah, in defensive millennials. I think the reason I 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.359 don't want to do a task, for sure, you're not wrong, 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:55.280 I'm not Yeah. 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:57.959 The things that the simple things that pile up that 0:19:58.000 --> 0:19:59.000 take five minutes to do. 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:02.080 Right, Yes, totally. But I think the reason that we 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:04.359 this is sort of off topic and I'm finding it 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.440 in the moment, so come with me on this, right. 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.840 But I think the reason that we are so uh, 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.200 that tasks are feel like so alienating and so off 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:20.240 putting is because we we are Oh boy, she's taken 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.240 a swing here, let's go to I think we are 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:27.399 because of our generation's interaction with the Internet's like rapid 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:30.440 expansion and social media's rapid expansion. We're sort of the 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:36.120 first generation that was expected to do suddenly like twice 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:41.320 as much in a career, in raising a family, in whatever. 0:20:41.359 --> 0:20:44.080 That like, we are the generation, the first generation where 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.280 it's like you're expected to be your own whole small business. 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:51.440 And I think the prior generations excuse me, had more 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:55.280 she's taken us swing had more free time, yes, and 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.439 like that life was slower and so that like you 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.879 could say and forty five minutes once a week, I 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.879 do my little pasts, and like even if you can 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:06.520 be like I don't like doing them, but it's like 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.000 you have that forty five minutes and there's not this 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:13.239 like constant hammering in the back of your head. That is, 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:19.320 you could be doing these higher scale things for your 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:21.879 job or for your life that are made possible because 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:23.359 of the constant access to the internet. 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.560 Ye, and your job is also not in your pocket 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:29.600 all the time, That's exactly. And it's like also boomers 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:32.880 and well Gen x is of course hearing this will say, well. 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:35.560 When I grew up, my parents just left me at 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:36.680 home and we. 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:40.280 Have just entertained ourselves and we just also cynical, and 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.920 of course we could buy houses and college actually guaranteed 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.840 you a job, and college was cheaper and housing was cheaper. 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:48.040 I guess not in the nineties, but even then it 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:49.280 was easier to get a house. 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:51.840 And I mean, you're starting a millennia, you're starting a generational. 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:52.639 I don't fuck it. 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:53.600 Y boomers. 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:55.640 Booms got us here, by the way. 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:57.679 Yeah, GenX, we need you, we need you, we need 0:21:57.920 --> 0:21:58.840 but they. 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:00.720 Got us here because they're in action. 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.200 Yes, gen x Is are the problem. There, we are. 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:09.440 I think both of them had that hand. I think 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.600 boomers in the sheety decisions, but gen x Is are 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:13.679 the ones with their inaction when they chose, and they 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:14.600 were gen X's who did. 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.439 Oh yeah, if even if you look at like the 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:22.080 like how like the generations fall politically now, Like you know, 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:24.480 the cliche is like all you boomers were the worst 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:26.240 or whatever, But if you look, there's a lot of 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.960 boomers who are very like anti Trump, and I don't 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.520 see the same with gen X. In fact, gen X 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:33.720 is the one that went the other way during the pandemic, 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.119 like well everyone else was like, oh, I can't believe 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.320 how Trump is doing what Trump is doing during the pandemic, 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:42.879 gen X was going like I can't believe I have 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:43.399 to steal it. 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:45.640 My shitty kid who I can't send off the school. 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.400 I'm right wing now, I mean that's literally. 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:50.960 And also boomers will do the whole thing. We're just 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:53.600 gonna get people. I'm gonna get some emails. 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:55.720 There are a lot of boomers who are like, back 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:57.800 in my day, I could just walk into a star 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:00.680 and say, good sir, I'd like a job nights like 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:01.880 Kardia Jeb why. 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.040 But the same time, and there was a lots of 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:06.520 like old people who were like, just go and get 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:06.800 a job. 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:07.399 It's that easy. 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:09.760 The gen x is if you make a post of 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:11.520 Blue sky En I've done this several times, just be 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:13.560 like make fun of gen x as being like, yeah, 0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:15.719 I get home, my parents weren't there, so I'd make 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:19.200 myself dinner and I'd entertain myself all day every day, 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:22.000 and I was so independent. There will be gen x's 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:24.480 who respond and be like, yeah, that's actually true, and 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.200 you should like they get very personal about em I 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:28.960 don't know, you lived through some of the best music 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:29.960 as well, like fucking stop. 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:33.320 I mean we're right, yes, I mean all the super rich, 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:36.640 fucking tech assholes are gen xers, Like. 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.720 Yeah, to your idea, what you what you were saying 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:43.399 about back to me, back to the millennial. Correct. I 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:46.359 think you're absolutely right, But also there's other aspects of it, 0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:48.639 and people talk about it. It's the way millennials went 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:51.320 to school, because we went to school in this like 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:56.360 real in America in this really optimized, like the sort 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:59.200 of goals that you had to chase were very specific, 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:03.080 whole gifted and talented crowd like we were seeing basically. 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:05.680 Which I was one, yes, the same, but that was not. 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:07.960 It really was not. 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:13.480 No, it was not you see. 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:16.880 Online like the the gift in tal adults. We're like, oh, 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:19.600 that was kind of wrong. That maybe kind of broke 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:20.880 us in terms of how we. 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:25.040 Do you mean through the world the high expectations based 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:27.840 on us and the expectation of perfectionism or like how 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:29.840 that metastasizes exactly. 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:31.520 All that, Like we were built for school and for 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:33.840 taking tests and then sent to the real world. 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:37.400 It's like, oh, and do you think other generations? Oh? 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.360 Absolutely if you think about it, like why why did 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:44.800 all the first internet culture come from millennials? And that's 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:52.560 because like gen X was at the age. 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:50.880 That's there's. 0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.280 I don't know because we're no, but I'm talking about 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:57.399 like meme culture, and all lives. 0:24:57.640 --> 0:24:59.920 Sorry, that's I think I know what you're saying, which 0:24:59.920 --> 0:25:03.080 is our lives were digital in a way. 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:03.679 There's not. 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:07.440 Yes here. Here's what's interesting is that we're getting too 0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.359 millennial focus because we're all millennials, I guess. But also, 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.159 we knew what the world was very young. Okay, thank you, 0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:15.120 good to know. 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:16.680 Hollywood Castrian. 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:21.000 We knew what the world was before the Internet. We 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:24.080 saw what the world became with the Internet, and we're 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:27.639 expected to be as experts at it post internet, so 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:31.440 we saw the full breadth of it. Yeah, so that's 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:35.040 why like gen zers and young kids do not know 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:37.440 the world before and it's kind of tough to describe 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:37.919 what that was. 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.639 We also were children during nine to eleven and were 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:42.720 in like children. 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:44.119 Teenagers, but yes, the world fell apart. 0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.880 Ages are still children two thousand and eight as well. 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.520 Like I think that it's understated, like because two thousand 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:51.119 and eight, I moved to America that year and it 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:55.080 was very much like Welcome to America. No, it happened 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:59.120 as I moved, not because I don't know. I moved 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:00.879 and it was just like, oh, hey, you know the 0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:02.520 whole thing you were told about, you got to college. 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:05.639 Everything will be fine, fuck you, just exactly. And I 0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:10.199 don't think other older generations realize how stark that was, 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:14.480 how hot, Like there Jen x UMA's probably remember before 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:18.159 the Department of Homeland Security existed, like and I just 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:23.760 think the expectations of hyper digitization and the constant expectation 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:27.119 and notifications stuff like that. I think it's really easy 0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.440 to color Millennia's like, oh, you're so oh you want 0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:32.160 your little treats and all this. No, we're being harassed 0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:35.120 by everyone is now harassed by everything all the time. 0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:37.520 We're aware of it every yes, and we know and 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:38.560 we remember. 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:40.560 It could have been different. Yeah, I don't remember when. 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:44.000 It's frustrating as well, because by the way, Michael Dell 0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:46.800 gen X Yeah, just and we're and just. 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:48.880 To be clear, this is mister Dell of. 0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:51.200 The company, one of the richest men in the world, 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:52.520 by the way, like he's up there. He's also the 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:53.520 guy behind trump Bucks. 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.840 How have I never heard of Michael Dell? Oh? Is 0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:58.520 he the guy who founded del Yes. 0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:01.199 And yeah, he's It's weird because they went through this thing. 0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:04.280 Is will rotate shortly, but it's this weird thing where 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:07.239 Dell went through this real shit house era when they 0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:09.679 were just complete dogshit their computers sucked, and then they 0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.800 went took themselves off of the public markets private again, 0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:15.760 fixed things, everyone loved them again, and then they went 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.480 public again and then they appeared to be like thinking 0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:21.159 about being ship, but they're back to being okay, and 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:22.639 they bet their whole future on AI. 0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:25.520 It's just one of my earliest computers were Dell, and 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:27.800 I remember they were really big and then they sort 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:31.320 of everyone else beat them in everything, and then no 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.679 one wanted it and they had that really to me, 0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:37.320 they had that time period where they were the computer 0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:40.320 that at least I did, I automatically associated with, like 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:43.679 the older crowd, older people because especially as like the 0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.560 gaming PC became big and then building your own PC 0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:48.840 became big, Dell was still out there, I feel like, 0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:53.120 doing like old school type marketing too specific audiences during 0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:55.480 a time period where like everyone was moving beyond that. 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:58.560 And then they bought Alienware, which was this insane company 0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:01.359 where they'd be these had a day my dad. 0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:03.719 My dad bought me an alien where once, and I 0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:04.560 fucking loved it. 0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.399 It was this insane like I don't know how like 0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:10.400 three foot tall giant thing with like a swinging door 0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:12.000 and a big alien head in there for like a 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:13.560 teenage boy with no friends. 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:17.200 It was it was this was mostly what does the alien. 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.280 It's literally just a gaming PC, but it looked like 0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:21.879 a tube. It was more tubes. 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:27.119 His wrists are so muscular, God damn it. 0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:28.800 They just get body shaving. 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:33.480 No, it's it's interesting though because hearing them, it just 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:37.919 and as we'll transition into the next episode obviously, but 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:40.600 it's like it feels like all these companies are having 0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:43.200 a midlife crisis, and I think you know what. 0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:46.520 I mean, like maybe they are. 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:49.000 They are, well, that was the time the millennial midl 0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:49.600 like crisis. 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:53.640 It's like, give us room, very young, okay, but yes, 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.160 and coming up now and add just for gen X's 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:00.960 it's going to be for something called dot beers. 0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:03.680 It's going to allow you to have a social network 0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:07.000 where you crow about how you were such an independent 0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:10.280 child and how you remember when MTV was good. 0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.120 That is actively losing subscriber. 0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.240 No, Genexas will email me now and be like, actually, 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:18.560 you know what, I watched Liquid Television and I was cool. 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:33.000 We're back in the room. 0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:35.320 We're back with a wonderful cast of course at Tristan 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:39.320 stand up comedian Chloe Radcliffe, Matt Binder of Mashable, and 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:42.360 Devendra Harda even Gadget and you know what I do 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:44.720 Actually kind of like this gen X and midlife crisis 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:47.200 happening with AI. It kind of makes sense because it's like, 0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:50.520 you look at all these companies and they're all like, fuck, 0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:52.640 how do we keep growing? The rock economy I've written 0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:54.960 and said about. But it's also a degree of like, wait, 0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:57.880 what do people want anymore? Because we got so rich 0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:00.360 because gen X is able to keep a late wealth 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:01.720 in the way that millennials couldn't. 0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:02.760 Boomus. 0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:06.800 It's it's all fomo. It's all fomo about what's next. 0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:10.120 Fomo with disconnection from anyone like that. Yeah, I'm sorry. 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:12.360 Oh it was a rough time during COVID. We didn't 0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:14.120 go outside. Fuck off. 0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:17.600 You could still step outside, just once, just be like 0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:18.200 a scar. 0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:20.440 You know, it's so funny. I spent all of COVID 0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:23.800 outside because that's where you didn't get the germ. 0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:24.160 For a while. 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:26.080 It was better to be talking about it. 0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:28.720 Yeah, it's where you're just taking a laptop outside or 0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:30.360 do you not have an overhead lamp. 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:32.440 It was that was very stupid. 0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:35.320 But to what is happening to all these companies because 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:37.960 I've I've been covering them since twenty ten, I've been 0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:43.160 following the tech industry forever. They're all desperate. They're all 0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:45.480 desperate of missing out on the next big thing. Because 0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:49.000 Microsoft missed out on mobile, they tried desperately to kind 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:51.200 of get that back, like Windows Mobile, all these things 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.880 making Windows eight, But no, that was Apple, that was smartphone, arraw, 0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:57.920 that was tablets. They never quite got into that. But 0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:01.640 they also didn't realize people like people like computers. Maybe 0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:03.200 you should double down on that, which is what when 0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.840 Theo's eleven was Whendows twelfth kind of became the thing. 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.520 But that was the mobile eerror. Then there was like 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.600 tablets and stuff, it's wearables. For a while people were 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:13.120 hot like, oh, this is gonna be the next big thing. 0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:15.080 It's a niche. It's a very small niche. 0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:17.520 You wear them. Then that not everyone wears the same thing. 0:31:17.560 --> 0:31:19.480 To map and this point, what's happened is that the 0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.240 world revolves around our phones because these are the most 0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.720 personal computers we have. It's my best friends, it's your 0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:27.760 best friend. It holds all your deepest secrets and inner thoughts. 0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:29.959 It connects you to the world. So how do you 0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:32.600 go past phone? The next stage of computing? To them 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:36.160 is okay, a thing that processes data at obscene levels 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.720 that we don't fully understand. But it seems like black magic, 0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:39.440 and that's what AI. 0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.200 But it's so funny though, because they're like, well, what 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:45.720 do we replace a device that's all about personal stuff 0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.680 and our communication with others and our ability to condense 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:51.560 our thoughts and access media. We like, well, what if 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:55.040 we took away all personal choice and data entry of 0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:55.800 any kind? 0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:56.920 Would they like that? 0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:58.560 But I actually what you were saying that, I just 0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:02.040 had a thought. These companies missed out on MOI mobile. 0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:05.120 Microsoft didn't miss out a mobile, They made a ship 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:09.000 mobile phone by acquiring Nokia. And Windows Phone sucked. And 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:11.280 it's like, why do people like the max so much? 0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:14.120 Because it because it was good, because the UI was good? 0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:17.080 Why a people like the iPhone because the UI was good? 0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:20.000 It took so long for Android to even be half fast. 0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:22.680 It was the T mobile. G one was the first, 0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:24.640 and it was so far behind, and they were so 0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:28.000 far behind for long, and Windows Phone was an insane 0:32:28.080 --> 0:32:30.920 create it was just this like tiles. It was Windows 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:32.240 eight but in a phone, and. 0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:35.200 I will say it was cool. It was cool because 0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:37.600 it was different, but they again missed out on some 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:39.600 practical functionality like Windows phone. 0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:44.160 The bjorc is cool and different. But I would not blame, 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:46.000 but I would not. 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.200 I would not be like playing be York at an 0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:52.160 NFL game like would in a commercial. I'm saying that, 0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:55.360 like there are journalists and specifics and it's like something. 0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:59.000 But if if we're connecting with broad like middle, yeah, 0:32:59.040 --> 0:32:59.520 I don't think so. 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:02.200 Here sing surface now, which is at the NFL games. 0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:03.640 Oh yeah, no, the surface. 0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:06.360 It's so funny having surface things that, especially with Aaron 0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:07.480 Rodgers just smashing them. 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.880 But it's like they don't they like, well, what do 0:33:10.960 --> 0:33:13.360 we do? We'll do off spin. It's like make it good, 0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:13.880 make it good. 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:17.000 I can understand. We're gonna go into history here for 0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:19.800 the kids. But Microsoft was making mobile shit for a 0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:23.760 very long time, right, the the ipack as well, right, 0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:27.440 the ipack all that stuff. But it was BlackBerry era, right, Okay, 0:33:27.760 --> 0:33:30.520 rewind to like late nineties. It was like Personal Assistance, 0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:34.600 right PDAs. Yeah, the palm pilots all those things. Evolution 0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:37.960 of that was BlackBerry. Microsoft was doing stuff within pocket PC 0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:39.840 and like they made a couple of ones, but they 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:40.440 never really talk. 0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:42.040 And they were like little laptops, so they were they 0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:42.320 were like. 0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:44.360 Little keys or like little BlackBerry. 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.280 Clones could but used like a little pen you could use. 0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:47.960 Some of them had like a stylist two. But the 0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:51.640 thing is BlackBerry was hot because data was bad, and 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:54.960 BlackBerry created the technology to have quick digital messaging to 0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:57.320 all your friends. Go watch the movie BlackBerry, which is 0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:59.120 not fully historically accurate, but gets the. 0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:00.880 Tech I founded the show. 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:06.240 But the movie BlackBerry Wonderful Amazing has one of the 0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.200 guys from him. It's always sunny in there too, and 0:34:08.200 --> 0:34:10.640 he's just like wonderfully offensive and like really gives his 0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:15.720 nice check out that movie. But BlackBerry innovative innovators delaydelemma 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.120 came for them because they didn't believe you could have 0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.440 a phone that was all screen and that was iPhone. 0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:22.760 That's difficult, genuinely. 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.080 Do you mean like they had considered they were like 0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:25.560 should we make phone all screen? 0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:27.800 Yeah? Because BlackBerry, and they were like, no. 0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:30.759 No, we not make keyboard. 0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:35.879 Who was Dennis for me in Philadelphia? Plays my friend 0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:36.640 Jim Person. 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:39.600 Want to blow up. 0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:42.560 I remember when I was in high school, the big 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.759 phone at the time where those like the screen that 0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:46.680 flips sidekick I think it was. 0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:49.160 Called phones were so cool. Before the iPhone, phones had 0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:51.759 all this like cool stuff I had. I had a 0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:56.600 Helio Ocean which which flipped up vertically and also flipped 0:34:56.719 --> 0:35:00.480 sideways like sidekick. Amazing stuff. And then the iPhone came 0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:04.080 out and it was like, okay, all screen but also apps. 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:06.600 Your phone is now a computer. It's not just like 0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:09.719 a limited thing with garbage version of the Internet. It's 0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.480 the full Internet. And then cellular speed's got better, so 0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.000 like Internet in your pocket, full computer in your pocket. 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:18.880 You cannot deny that that's the best thing. So Microsoft 0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:20.640 just was never able. They didn't catch up to that 0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:23.319 quick enough. We talked about Android being shitited early on. 0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:25.960 It was, but within a couple of years they kind 0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:28.000 of did the Windows thing where Google just like had 0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:29.960 the software and had other people come and make the hardware, 0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.960 and Android took over the world, like Android had dominated 0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:37.960 cell phone smartphones pretty quickly, pitty quickly on. But it's 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.680 hard to deny. Everyone is chasing, like what is the 0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:43.160 next thing. They think AI is the next thing, And 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.520 I'm glad that there are people out there like we're 0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:48.040 looking at this and like this is bullshit, this is 0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:48.720 not good. 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:50.399 But yeah, are they sure? 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:54.200 Like are they really convinced that what's amazing is that's 0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:58.480 not right? Because so Mashable published. I didn't do the interview, 0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:02.359 but we spoke to the Novo CEO and we asked 0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:05.640 him about people who are anti AI and AI skeptics, 0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:08.319 and his answer to that was basically, you can't avoid it. 0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.880 Just you won't be able to avoid it. And it's like, 0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.839 that's not the that's that. But it's also not like 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:15.920 a ring door won't be able to avoid. 0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:18.080 Yes, that's the ring. 0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.239 It's the whole thing of people inevitable. 0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:23.440 Right do you believe in this product? Well, you can't 0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.840 avoid what's coming. I mean, you know, we sell it, Yeah, 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:31.160 likedn't sell it, But it's I think I I, having 0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.879 not read the interview, I could imagine being like sort 0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:37.359 of having the attitude of like, I don't who gives 0:36:37.360 --> 0:36:39.879 a ship if you if you don't believe in this, 0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:46.000 it's happened. We've invested billity and deal with it, and 0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:50.480 who why is it on me to convince you you 0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:52.120 you can sit there and bang your drum as long 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.200 as and I don't mean this to I don't mean 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:57.320 to be on AI side, but like I can't imagine 0:36:57.360 --> 0:37:01.280 sort of it, who gives it. I appreciate the honesty 0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:02.200 the answer, But if. 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.440 Your job is literally to market it to it channel. 0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:06.440 Like Apple, if when the iPhone first came out and 0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:08.520 people asked about the iPhone, like are people really good? 0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:11.160 Apple didn't go like it's inevitable. They were like, well 0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:13.399 try try it and you'll you'll see. 0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:16.800 I will say, Steve Jobs famously an asshole. 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:20.680 You're holding it to back them up. 0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:23.600 The messaging was you'll get used to it, like the 0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:26.080 Apple way was, you'll get you this we know better. 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.160 But that's not what AI is saying. That it's happening. 0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:31.919 And the funny thing is about AIS was if AI 0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:36.359 was I can say to my computer load this, do this, 0:37:36.560 --> 0:37:39.520 and it actually did it every time, that'd be fucking sick. 0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:40.600 Well that's what That's. 0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:43.400 What Microsoft's pitching you. But the they are lying it 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.680 just like I swear to fucking God, I thought public 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:50.080 companies couldn't just fucking lie. But I can only do 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:50.440 it about it. 0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:52.799 If you're all in the same grift, it doesn't matter, right. 0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:54.919 And also what what we're learning is that rules don't matter, 0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:56.920 just don't apply to the rich and the powerful. 0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.600 But here's the thing gravity does, and I think they 0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:04.520 will be punished all uh like when when the stocks 0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:06.440 in videos kind of down, today's kind of fun watch. 0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:09.160 It's also funny as well because none of it really 0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:12.480 clicks with what uses desire. Because what uses theizarre right 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:14.719 now is I wish my phone just fucking worked. I 0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:18.240 wish every app didn't need to ping me fourteen times 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:20.520 a day to say have you thought about using me? 0:38:20.960 --> 0:38:23.759 I think just work? It is just just just do 0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:24.799 what I ask you to do. 0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:28.240 What when you're saying that the companies themselves don't even 0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:30.960 fully believe what? What's what more is. 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.759 I've talked to a whole bunch of excators. I bring 0:38:33.800 --> 0:38:35.600 this question to every big company I talked to, and 0:38:35.640 --> 0:38:37.440 early on the Microsoft was doing copil, I was like, 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:40.840 this thing doesn't work right, Like you're you're making me. 0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:43.880 You make me want to use copilot as like a 0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:46.600 search engine, but I cannot trust it. It's not always 0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:49.480 delivering correct information. If I bought a calculator that said 0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:51.720 two plus two equals five. I would throw it away 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:55.560 because it's garbage. And the Microsoft people were like, it's 0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:59.120 a work in progress, we're gonna get better, and that 0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.760 that they're making you accept a certain level of bullshit 0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:04.920 because they can't stop. They've invested too much in it. 0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:08.359 They practically are invested in half of open AI, so 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:11.520 like they can't stop. It's too big and their stock 0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:13.600 is being rewarded for it, so they can't say. 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:15.840 Anything but okay, and again just to play devil's advocate 0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:19.720 and that this is not this doesn't the views reflected 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:24.080 here are not my own. I can you know, I 0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:28.520 look at what AI take, images take image production for example, 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:32.520 what the images that AI could create four years ago 0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:35.320 versus the images that a I can still still images 0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:40.040 that AI can create today are unrecognizable. But Trinity, they're 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:43.560 so much better when they were producing the dog shit 0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:48.240 images four years ago. If somebody was like if I 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:50.359 you know, like if you do the same calculator thing, 0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:52.520 and then they're like, well, yeah, it's a work in progress, 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:54.200 and in four years the calculator is going to say 0:39:54.200 --> 0:39:56.960 two plus to equals for every single time. Again, I 0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:58.920 think that that is a fair response. 0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:02.200 That's the thing though, this is one I've answered a lot. 0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:04.839 This is one where I'm like, oh so that made 0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.719 sense maybe two years ago, so it made sense, like 0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:11.359 I would say, it stopped being rational to do that, 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:16.920 like maybe I mean at latest March last year, so 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:20.040 twenty twenty five, I would say, right up until I 0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:23.080 mis generation with GPT. That was when you sprank bonk. 0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:25.799 I know people are gonna say nano, but nano banana. 0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:29.080 I went in an entire day without saying nana banana, 0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:30.600 which is now on televisions. 0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:37.440 It's just like bana is Google's image genera. 0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:39.440 Like the best, the best one on the mods and. 0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:41.440 People like, look, it can generate a picture of a 0:40:42.840 --> 0:40:45.320 woman for some reason that I'm using. 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:48.920 Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like it's like tube generation. 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:50.399 Y oh god. 0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:53.080 And they can't answer the basic question about the entire 0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:57.160 idea of imagery generation, which is what I But the. 0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:59.480 Thing is it's not like it's but the thing is, 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:03.000 it's not having these meteoric jumps yet four years ago 0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:04.280 sort of twenty yeah. 0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:06.600 You're saying, you're saying, like the curve is leveling, Yes. 0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:08.799 So we've reached the point of diminishing returns. Because the 0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:11.000 way these models get better is two ways. One you 0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:13.520 feed data enter them. Two you tweak the models. By 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:16.600 they you basically tweak their outputs. You say, don't do this, 0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:19.520 do this. Yeah, things with images, you're right up against 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:21.800 the wall. Now they've got about where they can get. 0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:23.879 And their thing they'll say, is like, look, we've made 0:41:24.040 --> 0:41:28.200 some realistic looking images. The problem isn't making one realistic image. 0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:33.120 It's doing the same thing more than once reliably, maybe twice, thrice, 0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.640 a hundred times. It's being able to have a consistent 0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.520 visual image. And you can kind of do that, but 0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:42.040 it takes a shit ton of computational power. And as 0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:45.320 we run up against the realm of running out of money, 0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:47.880 that's become the problem. But also most of them have 0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:50.400 hit diminishing returns because we've run out of data. 0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:53.440 We are out of data. You mean, feed of things 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:56.359 to feed into the thing, slap for slop slot, well, 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:58.440 pig food for the slot. 0:41:58.680 --> 0:42:00.640 For the pigs too, food they can make to poop. 0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:03.319 But here's the basic question about image generation, Like, I 0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:05.759 don't care how much better it's getting. Yeah, I don't care. 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:09.360 Who gives a shit about? Why does this exist? 0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:11.600 That's the thing like with so much of this, like 0:42:11.640 --> 0:42:14.520 the like when we talk about like the calculator that 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:16.360 you know has to get the math problem correct. 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:18.640 Well, there's the use case for that is it gets you. 0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:23.720 Yeah, with AI generation and an AI video image generation 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:26.480 and video generation, it's sort of just like Okay, you 0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:28.040 can do it, but what is the purpose? 0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:30.279 Like like the guys are like, oh, you can make 0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:31.720 a wallpaper for your TV. 0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:32.399 I don't. 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:34.200 I don't turn my keb on for a wallpaper. I 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:34.560 don't care. 0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:37.719 It's like who gives a who gives like the point 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:38.040 for me? 0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:39.760 Like like people like, oh, you can take a picture 0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:42.520 of selfie yourself and insert yourself and different. Well, for me, 0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:44.440 like when I want to look at a picture of myself, 0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:48.719 it's because I want to remember that experience that I experienced. 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:51.920 But what if I put myself in an AI image 0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:54.160 generator and it puts me in front of the pyramids 0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:54.680 in Egypt? 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:56.640 Why the fuck do I care? I don't know no 0:42:56.719 --> 0:42:58.040 memory there of me doing that. 0:42:58.120 --> 0:42:59.680 I saw a really evil one where it's like a 0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:02.360 guy showing his grandmother with de men. She like a 0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:06.320 picture of her with Jimi hendrakes parody. The following is parody. 0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:08.319 I think that person should be fucking told I. 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:10.480 Know, I'm so glad you brought that up, because I have. 0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:14.560 You should be in fucking pret you disgusting, fucking months stuff. 0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:19.960 Facebook consistently hammers me with recommendations of groups for people 0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:23.080 who are asking people to like clean up their family 0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:26.360 photos and stuff. And those groups are now full of 0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:30.799 people who come in and go, oh, my daughter or 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:34.120 grandma or whoever in my family died and this is 0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:36.560 the only photo I have of them, can you make 0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.880 a color or fix it? And now all the responses 0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:43.040 are people putting it through the AI image generators, and 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:45.680 they spit out things that don't really look like the 0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:49.000 deceased family member. And some of these people love it, 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:51.560 and some people can put them in like the deceased 0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:54.080 family member picture in a video generator that. 0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:56.120 Generates yesifying that grandfather. 0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:59.480 But it's like, you know, at some point, these image 0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:03.320 generators are going to distort your memory of the actual person, 0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:05.960 because because if you only have one photo of someone 0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:09.360 and that photo was cleaned up quote unquote, but it 0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:12.040 changed how your family member looks, and you're constantly looking 0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:15.160 at that photo. It's gonna eventually actually fuck with your 0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:18.480 real memory of what that person looked like or sounded like, 0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:20.960 for like the voice cloning stuff. And it's like, I 0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:23.560 think that's so fucking unhealthy. And they're gonna have a 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:28.120 world of people who remember their own ancestors as people 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:30.759 who did not even exist because they. 0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:31.800 Don't have an actual. 0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:35.000 Photo in their brain of how they actually look they 0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:37.040 had the AI generated photo of them. 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:40.800 I completely agree, and I'm sure that this is already happening. 0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:43.360 And then I and this is where I get a 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:45.680 little nihilistic. This ise where I get a little depressed. 0:44:46.400 --> 0:44:51.839 I wind up going my impulse as a millennial who 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:56.719 experienced the world's pre in you know, or pre ubiquitous internet. 0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:00.400 My instinct is that like, their brains going to be 0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:03.480 fucked up by shit like that because and it feels 0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:04.960 good in the moment, And so they keep doing the 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:07.160 drug And why wouldn't you if the drug dealer keeps 0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:08.880 coming to your house. Of course, it is going to 0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:10.719 be very difficult to say no. It's much easier to 0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:13.000 say no when the drug is not inside your house 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:15.600 all the time. And so they're gonna keep doing the drug. 0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:18.000 They're going to fuck up the brain. They're gonna have 0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:22.360 these this insane relationship with memory and with emotion and 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:26.400 with human connectivity. And then I want to say, and 0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:30.280 at some point they will, in their heart of hearts, 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.960 understand that this is bad. In years, decades. I'm not saying, 0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:36.000 you know, they'll wake up one week, yeah, but like 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:37.920 at some point in their old age or in their 0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:41.560 middle age, they will go, Wow, this is bad. I 0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:43.920 don't know how to describe this. I don't know how 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:45.839 to articulate this, but I can feel in my heart 0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:49.560 that something is disconnected from what the human experience should be. 0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:51.799 I think that's partially what we're doing right now, because 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:54.640 people are using these tools and not fully thinking about it, 0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:58.439 and there are just so many philosophical questions about us, 0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:01.359 like how do we process information, we process memory, how 0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:04.440 does this work within our society? What's the anthropological impact 0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:09.040 of all this falsified information? Like there's immediate harms of nothing. 0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:11.600 We can't trust reality anymore, we can't trust anything because 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.640 they can just make up fact. But also the eventual 0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:18.279 harms is that the idea of memory is just gonna disappear. 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:19.560 I mean, I mean, but. 0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:21.799 Another thing I've seen, And then this is the really 0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:25.440 really depressing one, Like someone will ask for something like 0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:27.680 they'll post the photo of their you know, child who 0:46:27.760 --> 0:46:30.720 died it like you know, nine months, three years whatever, 0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:32.480 and they'm like, oh, I'd love to see how they 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.680 would look if they made it to like forty. 0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:36.520 And it's like, no, don't do that, No, no, no, 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:37.839 right exactly, don't do that. 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:41.560 You have the actual image or videos of them when 0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:44.040 they existed and who they were and what they were, 0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:47.000 and just keep that in your memory. Don't look at 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:50.400 this person who never will or did exist right that 0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:51.280 they're generating. 0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:53.880 It's just odd and the same, all. 0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:56.719 Of that photo editing stuff, and in particularly the new 0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:59.080 things where you can be like, okay, add saw to 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:02.560 the photo, make look like in America, give my grandmother 0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:04.759 giant abs, like all of the things that you can 0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:05.239 do with AI. 0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:07.319 Now all right now, now, now you've got my. 0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:12.759 Make my yoke my grandma a phrase to remember all 0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:12.920 of you. 0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:15.120 Yes, yoke my grandma. 0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:17.480 But here's the thing. I genuinely believe all of this 0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:19.920 is going away. No one, no one other than the. 0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:22.040 Is really willing to fully go. I think all of 0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:25.040 this goes away. I think everything dies within two years. 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:27.200 I think all I think that there is going to 0:47:27.239 --> 0:47:29.920 be the big egg face moment, and no one is 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.399 really no one wants to take the logical point, which 0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:34.880 is the people who are dependent on these things are 0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:37.319 not going to have a thingy anymore unless they're going 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:40.040 to put deep seek R one on their laptop of 0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:44.239 like thirty seconds between responses, because I think all of 0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:46.680 this is just I think every image is like a 0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.040 few but my theory, I'm just this is gutt instincts. 0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:51.000 I think it's like a few bucks per image, and 0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:53.800 I think and I hear MT Technology revied a article 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:59.520 middle of last year. Images are more cheaper than text, 0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:04.160 but there's still very expensive but nothing I was surprised too, 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:07.200 but I forget the actual thing. But all of this, 0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:09.920 like the video generation stuff that's gone away. 0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:12.920 First, So and and sorry that a couple dollars per 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:14.560 imagery whatever is. 0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:16.279 For them to produce. 0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:19.600 Being paid by open AI, or it is. 0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:21.839 For those paying for the GPS to run. 0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:23.759 Yeah, right, okay, And that's another thing though. 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:27.160 Most of the AI generated stuff you see out there 0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:30.200 not professional work obviously, but like things people post on 0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:33.040 social media or whatever. They're just using like the free 0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:35.840 version of a lot of exactly because no one. No 0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:38.400 one wants to actually, unless you're using it again for 0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:39.360 professional purposes. 0:48:39.719 --> 0:48:43.080 No one is paying its fo my grandma for free. 0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:45.040 No one wants to pay for the subscriptions. 0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:47.400 And that's the thing. Open ai asked this big thing. 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:49.440 People love to eam and be like what if they 0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:51.759 did adds? If you are someone who's emailed me about 0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:55.799 it that you're like, seventy five thousands, Wow, what if 0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:58.040 they did adds? Here's the problem the information and a 0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:00.719 great story this week was nine hundred million week connective users, 0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:04.120 though they bullshit those numbers. Eight hundred million of those 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:07.280 are outside of the US, thus their lower value advertising clients. 0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:09.920 So yeah, most of them are free. They're just and 0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:12.000 the most exciting. And the funny thing is is even 0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:15.319 the ones that hey are the most enthusiastic who cost 0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:17.600 you the most money. Open ai loses money even on 0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:19.040 their two hundred bucks a month one. 0:49:19.120 --> 0:49:22.279 So the more the more you like something, the worse 0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:24.640 you are as a customer. It's usually the opposite. 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:28.040 It's usually like your power user of Facebook doesn't cost 0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:30.920 them that much because it's basic. It's just so the 0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:33.200 way a website works is like Facebook is. 0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:36.360 No, all right, ed, I know I'm a lady, and 0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:38.120 I know I'm not in tech. No, I'm kidding. 0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:40.799 So when you when you should be in a buck, 0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:42.280 so picture a computer. 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:45.799 No no, no no, don't maybe be sarcasting and be 0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:48.000 like do you do you know what CAMI is? 0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:51.279 So it's when you run a website like Facebook, where 0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:54.040 you access a page with some videos. The streaming doesn't 0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:56.840 require it's like a CPU and like require storage and 0:49:56.920 --> 0:50:00.879 RAM like in a big server. That is intensive because 0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:03.839 they have shit tons of users. But because like shit 0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:05.759 tons of users, it's just because you have a lot 0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:08.080 of them. It's not because the process of serving you 0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:12.720 Facebook or Instagram is super expensive to do. It's expensive 0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:14.880 because they have so many people. The problem is with 0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:18.920 AI is that having one user who's particularly demanding is. 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:22.280 Extremely expenctually an every bearing costs on the company. 0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:25.759 Exactly because GPUs are extremely they are cost intensive. They 0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:27.839 require a lot of energy, but they also put out 0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:30.800 a shit ton of heat, which requires a bunch of cooling. 0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:33.960 And the bigger the data center, the more intensive the cooling. 0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:35.719 And I had someone email me the other day saying, 0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:38.360 really big data centers can cause like the giga what 0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:40.360 once can cause like weather effects with the amount of 0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:40.680 heats that. 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:43.400 This, and they're affecting the local communities. 0:50:44.320 --> 0:50:46.839 And just to clarify what you were saying earlier about 0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:49.560 when you when you're saying the logical endpoint of your 0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:53.360 pessimism about AI or whatever hell you want to frame it, 0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:56.319 the logical endpoint is that all of this goes away. 0:50:57.200 --> 0:51:01.920 You're saying it collapses is from a financial standpoint, yes, 0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:03.880 but what that? But then the logical endpoint of that 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:07.719 is that the company's anthropic open AI what I'm chat 0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:11.640 GPT go, Well, we don't have the money anymore to 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:14.680 run these data centers correct. And the data centers are 0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:17.880 what are required to when somebody types in your my 0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:20.920 grammar yea, yeah, we need the data center to be 0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:23.920 having to have the electricity on and have the air 0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:27.520 conditioning running. Yes, and that when somebody's not paying those bills, 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:29.880 then I can't get my grammar yoke correct. 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:32.400 And there's no economic reason to do it because the 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:35.080 the vedrous point, the only reason they're doing this right 0:51:35.160 --> 0:51:36.319 now is because their. 0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:37.160 Stock value is growing. 0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:40.960 Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta they've seen their stock grow, not 0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:43.640 because of AI revenues, they don't talk about those, but 0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:46.120 because AI is so big, so huge and so yoke. Yeah, 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:49.160 everyone's talking AI. But the moment and the thing is 0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:52.440 I've heard people say, oh, well, it's a chat GPT bubble, 0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:54.000 it's not an AI bubble. 0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:56.160 Here's the thing. Oh yeah, it's a really. 0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:57.600 Right how does somebody thread that needle? 0:51:57.640 --> 0:52:01.520 Because they're fucking stupid. The argument is that, well, open 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:04.200 ay is the worst business of all time. It burns 0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:07.200 money forever. They have no profitability, but all the other 0:52:07.239 --> 0:52:08.960 ones will be okay, there will be other winners. The 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:11.520 problem is is that this is a vibees based thing, 0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:15.399 and now what happens to the vibe when the main 0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:18.480 business that everyone knows like eight hundred and nine hundred 0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:21.279 million weekly active users compared to everyone else where they 0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:24.400 have like twenty Now you may think you've heard Microsoft 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:26.680 say they've got hundreds of millions of Copilt. You've heard 0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:29.560 Google say hundreds of millions of Google Gemini. That's because 0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:32.200 they put them in their main products. But even then 0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:35.279 their shareholders are just going to go, right, why are 0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:37.080 you spending on this fucking money on this why are 0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:41.400 you propping up these insanely expensive things? And if you 0:52:41.520 --> 0:52:43.600 wonder why I'm so confident about this, none of them 0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:46.839 talk about the revenues or the costs, right sure. 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.360 The thing also though, is if AI was did disappear, 0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:53.000 what do customers? What do consumers lose out? 0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:53.160 Like? 0:52:53.239 --> 0:52:54.880 What what is the care? 0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:58.160 Yeah, and the things that people may use in their 0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:02.280 everyday life, like like AI transcription or voice to text. 0:53:02.680 --> 0:53:05.040 We're at the point now where those models actually can 0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:06.719 just live on your personal computer. You don't need an 0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:10.160 outside server at all, You don't need a company to 0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:11.080 pay a monthly fee to. 0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:12.760 You can just download a model. 0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:15.040 It's a few gigs and you have your own voice 0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:17.600 to text and your own transcription. It's that other more 0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:20.080 intensive stuff that are just like little toys that no 0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:22.040 one really needs that will just go away. 0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:24.600 To me, that that that is the logical outcome by ways, 0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:26.919 like the big AI will die off to a certain 0:53:26.960 --> 0:53:30.239 degree that will lead to widespread economic devastation. But yes, 0:53:30.360 --> 0:53:31.879 like that will be hard. 0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:34.480 It's going to be great financial crisis in mind. 0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:36.680 Could be worse than financial crisis, could be a depression 0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:40.759 level hit on the world economy. So that worries me, 0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:44.280 but in for when it comes, because all these companies 0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:50.080 but the idea of local, the idea of like local 0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:52.480 AI and stuff that's just like, Okay, my watch is 0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:55.680 a little better, I can transcribe to my computer that 0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:57.960 lives locally. That does happen. 0:53:58.040 --> 0:53:59.600 That's already one piece of bad news. 0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:02.080 Though, the only reason those models are being worked on 0:54:02.200 --> 0:54:03.920 right now is because the big ones, And once those 0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:05.640 big ones go away, they're not going to have any 0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:08.320 fucking reason to do them. They don't care about transcription, 0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:10.399 they don't care about the easeful stuff they care about. 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:12.520 They still need a reason to sell you a new 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:13.759 laptop every y and I. 0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:16.120 Someone think this is going to be enough of one, 0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:19.680 and I my thing is like, I'm not sure how 0:54:19.719 --> 0:54:24.239 we're going to intellectually reconcile with this, because this is 0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:25.680 the world panshitting competition. 0:54:25.760 --> 0:54:28.080 It's also everything is so fucking stupid right now, like 0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:31.120 every every level. If you we've been in the CS 0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:32.960 bubble but looking at the wider world right now, yeah, 0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:38.239 so yes, it's so dumb, Like we Trump invading Venezuela 0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:40.600 was how we started this year. I was born in Guyana, 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:42.960 South America. The country right next to Venezuela and it's 0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:46.000 probably right next on like because they just found oil. 0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:48.920 So xill I was like just out there taking all 0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:49.799 that stuff right now. 0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:51.040 Put it back. We didn't find anything. 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:54.440 Things links are so stupid right now. So that's why 0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:57.000 I do kind of feel like, yes, we're going to see. 0:54:56.800 --> 0:54:58.719 It, but this is and I know this sounds hard 0:54:58.800 --> 0:55:02.480 to reconcile. I think this is going to be stupid. Oh, 0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:06.520 just because hear me out. Every major CEO. 0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:08.440 Has added AI has talked about a It's all they 0:55:08.440 --> 0:55:11.759 talk about is AI. Every major tech company AIAIAI and 0:55:11.880 --> 0:55:14.560 a bunch of people we work for, not me personally, 0:55:14.600 --> 0:55:16.799 but tons of people we work for. People have said 0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:19.800 that AI is the future. World leaders, AI is the future. 0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:22.400 Everyone said AI the future, and I think all of 0:55:22.480 --> 0:55:24.560 them are wrong. What are we meant to do with 0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:29.040 that information? Because this is Trump politics. Okay, there's voting, 0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:29.960 there's like a process. 0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:33.960 This is like for now the sure But the foundations 0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:38.840 of economic movement, but also knowledge in the world and 0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:43.040 like consensus, reality and paradigms themselves have been based on 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:45.480 the idea that the people running the money, people running 0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:49.759 businesses are somewhat intelligent that would not be fucking wrong. 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:54.080 And what's become obvious is almost nobody knows anything ever. 0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:56.359 And I don't mean this in the cutesy like oh, 0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:59.400 bosses don't know stuff. I mean these people have just 0:55:59.520 --> 0:56:02.680 been fucking wrong, like wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, just 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:03.759 like AI will do this. 0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:05.719 But it's not. It's not just say I I will 0:56:05.760 --> 0:56:09.080 tell you that. Like when I started covering technology and 0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:11.160 doing drenals, and I was mainly like writing about startups 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:13.120 at the time, like, oh cool, these kind these guys, 0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:16.680 their ideas are so interesting. They've gotten billions of usually 0:56:16.760 --> 0:56:19.080 millions of dollars of investment. I was talking to you know, 0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:20.840 Kevin sisterm and the Instagram guys when it was just 0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:22.600 four dudes. I was like, oh man, they must be 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:27.000 so smart and so interesting. No, usually rasually, not usually, 0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:29.840 just like you have You're a nerd who knows how 0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:32.800 to code, who came up with like one interesting idea, 0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:35.880 and the vcs were just throwing money at you. And 0:56:36.480 --> 0:56:38.640 and even when it comes to like business, big business 0:56:38.680 --> 0:56:42.359 in general, people rise to the top not often through 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:44.719 their skill. It's through they've been there long enough, or 0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:47.800 they're a good enough company shell logical. 0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:51.239 My point is, imagine if the Great Financial Crisis. Yeah, 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:53.520 Microsoft was in housing, Google was in housing. I was 0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:56.279 always in housing, Disney entered housing, everyone bought houses, and 0:56:56.320 --> 0:56:58.480 everyone was selling houses, and everyone was offering mortgages. I 0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:01.120 wanted mortgages, mortgages with the future of every single business 0:57:01.160 --> 0:57:02.080 in the entire world. 0:57:02.840 --> 0:57:05.600 Everyone on LinkedIn was saying I'm a housing expert. Now 0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:07.080 that is it. 0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:09.880 Except when they said housing, they meant cat litter boxes 0:57:10.520 --> 0:57:11.840 because I'm joking. 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:15.879 But it's like, yeah, what if everyone went was wrong? 0:57:16.040 --> 0:57:16.240 Wrong? 0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:21.040 Wrong in a way that's not political. It's just obvious 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:24.800 that so many people we thought were smart were just 0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:26.960 like able to do mad libs. 0:57:27.040 --> 0:57:31.600 I have a question about the leaders who have backed AI. Right, Okay, 0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:33.760 as I see it, there's two categories that I understand, 0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:35.680 and I'm going to ask about what is the middle category. 0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:39.680 The middle category category that I understand is tech ceo 0:57:40.400 --> 0:57:44.520 who has whose company has some vested financial interest in 0:57:45.240 --> 0:57:49.120 AI being successful? Right, totally get it? Absolutely, Like why 0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:53.360 would Google add Gemini shove their products great? Because they 0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:57.160 are like they are. They see a potential financial benefit 0:57:57.320 --> 0:57:57.960 we'll find. 0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:00.960 Yeah, they were also Google's holding off. Google is trying 0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:02.560 to be cool and chill about it, and then opening 0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:04.360 eye kind of blew the doors open, and then they 0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:05.320 had to brush everything out. 0:58:05.480 --> 0:58:09.960 Sure, yeahah, okay, that category. I understand. Then CEOs of 0:58:10.120 --> 0:58:14.520 companies who have been sold the lie of AI can 0:58:14.600 --> 0:58:19.160 make your whole company work better. That I also completely understand, Like, 0:58:19.640 --> 0:58:25.640 you know, Salesforce saying, I guess this is sort of 0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:28.120 an example of the middle cuttery. Somebody at Salesforce being like, 0:58:28.160 --> 0:58:30.560 we're gonna add AI and AI is flashy and sexy 0:58:30.640 --> 0:58:32.440 and that's a new and it's it's the best thing, 0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:35.080 and then turning to home Depot and being like, now 0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:38.400 you should pay us extra because our new Salesforce category 0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:41.520 or our new Salesforce product has AI and that's going 0:58:41.560 --> 0:58:43.840 to make your life better. And home Depot goes great, awesome, 0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:46.360 will pay more for them. But that I understand. I like, 0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:47.600 I understand the the. 0:58:48.040 --> 0:58:49.840 But even those don't truly make sense. 0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:51.760 But keep going right, right, right right, And I like 0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:56.040 disagree with the efficacy, but I understand the messaging. They're 0:58:56.480 --> 0:59:02.600 what CEOs or what company have added AI trumpeted AI, 0:59:03.520 --> 0:59:08.520 you know, championed AI that are not in the category 0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:12.920 of their company is a direct financial benefit benefactor to 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:16.000 the technology or or like a direct owner of the 0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:17.440 technology versus technology. 0:59:17.480 --> 0:59:20.800 Disney Disney right right, right, being one of the most 0:59:20.920 --> 0:59:23.880 journalist outlets, and they will claim, oh AI will generate stories. 0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:24.360 They don't. 0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:26.760 And I actually pushed back on the things with Salesforce 0:59:26.800 --> 0:59:28.720 because there's a really cool thing, well, sales was it. 0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:31.080 I will choose another company. In my head, Salesforce is 0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:33.320 so special, but like a software company in this case. 0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:36.120 The really simple thing I'll say to that is even 0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:38.280 they don't make sense because it don't work. It don't 0:59:38.360 --> 0:59:40.360 do that like it don't it, don't do it. It 0:59:40.440 --> 0:59:42.960 don't do fingy like you say the whole thing copil 0:59:43.120 --> 0:59:45.400 Solon doesn't work. It doesn't work. It's never worked. 0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:48.800 It works enough. No, it doesn't. 0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:51.560 It is good enough for people to be using it. 0:59:52.040 --> 0:59:55.919 My issues are you're a computer should be you should 0:59:55.960 --> 0:59:58.520 be like I gotta push back. It doesn't. 0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:00.760 There have been like eight different always in the last 1:00:00.840 --> 1:00:04.000 year where Microsoft's three sixty five co pilot can't do 1:00:04.120 --> 1:00:05.520 things like prepare PowerPoint. 1:00:05.600 --> 1:00:08.320 Oh yeah, it's like specific failures, yes, but on the 1:00:08.520 --> 1:00:09.440 general failures. 1:00:09.560 --> 1:00:12.840 Yeah, on the general what's like the general general. 1:00:12.960 --> 1:00:15.080 What I'm saying is like, you ask Copilot or you 1:00:15.160 --> 1:00:17.840 asked Gemini, like a question, and it will get to 1:00:17.840 --> 1:00:19.360 your response. It is good enough. 1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:19.880 It will. 1:00:20.040 --> 1:00:22.040 He was like, hey, make me a chart of this data. Hey, 1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:25.680 that actually works. A lot of that stuff does. Maybe 1:00:25.880 --> 1:00:28.440 I'm not trustworthy, Like that's the thing that means it 1:00:28.480 --> 1:00:31.120 doesn't well, no, no, no, But there are variations of 1:00:31.200 --> 1:00:31.800 how badly. 1:00:32.040 --> 1:00:33.800 But the thing is, if there's a variation of how 1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:36.400 well something works, that just means it doesn't work most 1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:36.760 of the time. 1:00:36.960 --> 1:00:40.200 Sure, but hundreds of millions of people are still like 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:41.000 using them. 1:00:41.080 --> 1:00:44.320 Yeah, because they're being they're being pushed into by everybody. 1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:47.840 But people like using the like for them, the degree 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:49.960 of like as good enough as it can be for them. 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:52.440 It's good enough. That's why we're pushing back though, and 1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:54.480 we're saying, like, you can't trust this data, you can't 1:00:54.480 --> 1:00:57.160 trust this stuff. They're not thinking about that, but they're 1:00:57.320 --> 1:01:00.400 just using it. So we'll continue this debate. It's not 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:04.200 really a debate. We're shortly after this break. This next 1:01:04.320 --> 1:01:08.720 ad is for specifically boomers. It's called Where's My Pills. 1:01:09.120 --> 1:01:11.400 There's someone called to be really angry at this one. 1:01:11.880 --> 1:01:26.240 They're in the draw mate, and we return to our scene. 1:01:26.280 --> 1:01:28.560 I'm now joined by Edward and Graso Junior of the 1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:32.240 Tech Bubble newsletter. Hello, my friends, Chloe Radcliffe, of. 1:01:32.240 --> 1:01:35.440 Course the actress and stand up comedian who it's you, 1:01:36.000 --> 1:01:37.680 And of course Devinger Harder of Anger Jam. 1:01:37.840 --> 1:01:38.080 Hello. 1:01:38.360 --> 1:01:40.600 And I think we're in an interesting point in the 1:01:40.840 --> 1:01:41.040 in the. 1:01:41.080 --> 1:01:42.760 Show where we're all like getting to the end and 1:01:42.800 --> 1:01:44.680 we're realizing we have to go back to the real 1:01:44.760 --> 1:01:49.000 world and there's this thing of this AI thing and 1:01:49.160 --> 1:01:51.720 this whole, this whole situation where and to get back 1:01:51.720 --> 1:01:53.480 to the debate we're just having. It's like, yeah, it 1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:56.880 kind of works, but I don't think that people realize 1:01:56.960 --> 1:01:59.720 that because it only kind of works when they start 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:04.200 what it actually costs, which is like probably two to 1:02:04.440 --> 1:02:07.960 five to fifteen times what they're charging. No one's going 1:02:08.040 --> 1:02:10.120 to want to pay for the half fast thing anymore, 1:02:10.400 --> 1:02:12.480 and many will not be able to pay for it 1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:14.360 at all. Like I was saying yesterday, a lot of 1:02:14.440 --> 1:02:18.040 these companies that are just thing bolted onto LLM die 1:02:18.360 --> 1:02:20.120 just immediately, like just they will. 1:02:21.120 --> 1:02:21.920 Turn to dust. 1:02:22.080 --> 1:02:26.000 Because imagine if the core fuel of a car of course, 1:02:26.200 --> 1:02:29.600 like double tripled cadrupled in battle in cost of course. 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:37.240 I okay, interesting proposition here. Do you think two questions? 1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:42.600 Do you think that AI companies will start charging subscription rates? 1:02:43.600 --> 1:02:48.440 Uh before the financial implosion that you predict? 1:02:49.000 --> 1:02:51.960 Yeah? I think that. Well, you've already kind of seen signs, 1:02:52.000 --> 1:02:53.840 and they're very unfair with this. 1:02:53.960 --> 1:02:56.480 No one likes this one. Both open AI and Anthropic 1:02:56.520 --> 1:02:59.920 of added priority processing to their API customers. API just 1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:02.400 refers to instead of you or me using like chat, 1:03:02.480 --> 1:03:04.920 GPT or claude, you as a company would connect your 1:03:05.000 --> 1:03:08.360 software with an API to their service and then run 1:03:08.400 --> 1:03:09.960 on top of it. Now, when you run something on 1:03:10.000 --> 1:03:11.960 top of these models, you're effectively just prompting them. 1:03:12.160 --> 1:03:16.080 A API stands for a application big interface. 1:03:17.800 --> 1:03:22.040 I there you go, Yeah, that's yeah. My brain couldn't 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:23.320 think of the real one, so I can't. 1:03:24.920 --> 1:03:29.480 But it's like those companies cannot survive with a product 1:03:29.600 --> 1:03:32.520 with a cost race. I had a reader listener and 1:03:32.600 --> 1:03:35.080 reader reach out and actually tell me that you need 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:37.800 priority processing if you're above a certain things, just your 1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:41.120 cost double there automatically. And I think the the other 1:03:41.200 --> 1:03:43.200 thing that people will say is, oh, the cost of 1:03:43.320 --> 1:03:46.240 models is coming down. Classic talking point Jensen Huang and 1:03:46.320 --> 1:03:48.919 is Nvidio thing his press conference said, or the cost 1:03:48.960 --> 1:03:52.240 of models is coming down. Yeah, but it's kind of 1:03:52.360 --> 1:03:54.400 like if the cost of fuel came down a bit, 1:03:54.680 --> 1:03:58.080 but your journey to work took fifteen times longer, because 1:03:58.160 --> 1:04:00.600 now when you use a new model, it isn't just 1:04:00.640 --> 1:04:03.520 spitting out on output. It's using models that use more 1:04:03.560 --> 1:04:07.600 computational power to give you slightly better results. So it 1:04:07.680 --> 1:04:10.720 may be cheaper it well, it's not. It takes longer. 1:04:10.840 --> 1:04:14.120 It uses more tokens just for simplifications sake. Sure the 1:04:14.240 --> 1:04:16.840 thing that happened that they generate to give you an answer, 1:04:17.520 --> 1:04:19.920 It uses a reasoning model, which uses more tokens to 1:04:19.960 --> 1:04:22.880 do the output. So while it might be cheaper on 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:25.920 a token basis, you're using more of the fuckers, so 1:04:26.000 --> 1:04:27.120 it's not cheaper at all. 1:04:27.320 --> 1:04:28.640 It's actually more expensive. 1:04:28.960 --> 1:04:31.520 Yeah. We can argue a lot about the air industry 1:04:31.600 --> 1:04:32.080 like that's yeah. 1:04:32.120 --> 1:04:33.040 Sorry, some Indian thing. 1:04:33.320 --> 1:04:33.840 I will say. 1:04:34.000 --> 1:04:36.640 We are seeing the direct impacts of the rise of 1:04:36.680 --> 1:04:39.680 THEI right, go on, talk about memory and see the 1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:42.400 fucking HBI the memory. I'd love to talk about this. 1:04:42.920 --> 1:04:46.000 RAM prices have increased by three to four times across 1:04:46.040 --> 1:04:48.600 the board, which is insane, and that'll affect everything that 1:04:48.640 --> 1:04:51.400 affects phones, computers, whatever, cause. 1:04:51.640 --> 1:04:55.120 Like this every like everything because car is computer car. 1:04:55.920 --> 1:04:59.280 So any device needs some sort of memory. What is 1:04:59.360 --> 1:05:01.560 interesting is like we are seeing the direct impact of 1:05:01.640 --> 1:05:04.960 that already Dell's XPS fourteen, which should be a computer 1:05:05.080 --> 1:05:07.640 that costs under fifteen hundred dollars because of what it is, 1:05:07.720 --> 1:05:10.160 and that's what the competition is. And that was about 1:05:10.240 --> 1:05:12.280 the pricing Dell gave me when I first wrote my post, 1:05:12.360 --> 1:05:15.800 they set sixteen hundred. Next day an update, that thing 1:05:15.920 --> 1:05:17.800 is going to start at twenty fifty dollars. 1:05:17.960 --> 1:05:21.360 Jesus Christ, because because they're. 1:05:21.200 --> 1:05:23.800 Not going to say why, but I would logically think 1:05:23.960 --> 1:05:25.720 like that is going to be the highest cost for 1:05:25.720 --> 1:05:28.400 a lot of new systems. That is insane. That is 1:05:28.480 --> 1:05:31.400 a it's a premium ultraportable. Sure that thing should cost 1:05:31.480 --> 1:05:33.800 under fifteen hundred bucks or about fifteen hundred dollars. So 1:05:33.960 --> 1:05:35.680 we are going to see similar premiums like that. 1:05:35.880 --> 1:05:37.600 Are you sayings you need to get a new computer, 1:05:37.720 --> 1:05:38.840 do it now, because it's going. 1:05:39.040 --> 1:05:42.280 Worse, Do it immediately, and maybe buy used or refurbished 1:05:42.280 --> 1:05:45.880 which is my recommendation for everything. But yeah, buying a 1:05:45.960 --> 1:05:47.680 new system this year is going to suck. 1:05:47.920 --> 1:05:49.600 So we're going to do an episode on this next 1:05:49.600 --> 1:05:51.200 week with Steve Bug from Games and Nexus. 1:05:51.480 --> 1:05:51.680 Nice. 1:05:51.920 --> 1:05:56.360 So RAM in random axis memory a website is yeah, no, no, no, 1:05:57.080 --> 1:05:57.600 this is the thing. 1:05:58.280 --> 1:05:59.880 No I want, I want this, don't. 1:06:00.000 --> 1:06:02.720 The best lesson Sophie and Robert gave me is explain everything, 1:06:02.760 --> 1:06:04.680 because even if you think you know something, you don't. 1:06:04.800 --> 1:06:07.960 So RAM is when you quickly need information to do 1:06:08.040 --> 1:06:10.680 a task on a computer, so you couldn't access the 1:06:10.720 --> 1:06:12.760 hard drive. No matter how fast the hard drive is, 1:06:12.840 --> 1:06:14.560 it's not fast enough to get something immediately. 1:06:14.920 --> 1:06:17.760 AI services are extremely. 1:06:17.200 --> 1:06:20.120 Demanding on something called high bandwidth RAM, which is just 1:06:20.360 --> 1:06:22.920 allows you to keep a bunch of memory stuff in 1:06:23.040 --> 1:06:24.800 the RAM so you can constantly access it. 1:06:24.800 --> 1:06:26.760 Because that's how LMS works. Someone's gonna email me and 1:06:26.760 --> 1:06:30.280 say a truncated that shut the fuck up. But it's Nevertheless, 1:06:30.520 --> 1:06:32.080 because of the demands. 1:06:31.720 --> 1:06:37.000 Of Nvidia building GPUs, of Broadcom building their own bullshit GPUs, 1:06:37.200 --> 1:06:39.480 AMD building their own bullshit GPUs, the. 1:06:39.560 --> 1:06:44.040 Price of RAM across the world has increased. Now eagle 1:06:44.080 --> 1:06:47.680 eared listeners may think I heard a story Edward about 1:06:47.720 --> 1:06:50.520 open Ai taking forty percent of the world's RAM. This 1:06:50.720 --> 1:06:54.400 story is bullshit, and everyone pushing it is a fucking liar. 1:06:54.880 --> 1:06:57.600 If you look on sk heinez and so open Ai 1:06:57.680 --> 1:07:01.000 did a deal quote unquote with sk Heinex and Samsung, 1:07:01.160 --> 1:07:03.760 two companies out in Asia where they were going to 1:07:03.800 --> 1:07:06.320 get hundreds of thousands of wafers of RAM, just the 1:07:06.400 --> 1:07:08.240 things that you can't into RAM, which is insane on 1:07:08.280 --> 1:07:10.720 its own, But it was a letter of intent, which 1:07:10.840 --> 1:07:13.160 is a concept of idea. It's like, if you and 1:07:13.240 --> 1:07:15.520 I are email, why do we do this? It means 1:07:15.600 --> 1:07:18.600 fucking nothing, And everyone's trying to blame that. No, what 1:07:18.640 --> 1:07:22.000 it is is just every GPU, anyone doing anything with 1:07:22.080 --> 1:07:22.600 GPS is. 1:07:22.640 --> 1:07:26.200 Just did you see the buying RAM, the new Nvidia supercomputer, 1:07:26.400 --> 1:07:29.080 the Vera Rubin thing. I hate that they're using these 1:07:29.960 --> 1:07:34.040 actual scientists to apply to these things. It seems so disrespectful. 1:07:34.320 --> 1:07:37.880 But one point five terabytes of RAM in this Vera 1:07:37.960 --> 1:07:41.400 Rubin supercomputer, and that's that's this. So it's like a 1:07:43.080 --> 1:07:44.720 one point five terabytes. 1:07:44.880 --> 1:07:47.640 How many of that? How one point five terabytes per 1:07:47.760 --> 1:07:48.600 how many GPUs? 1:07:48.920 --> 1:07:51.080 I'm gonna have to look into the specific HEREI there's 1:07:51.080 --> 1:07:53.040 a lot of chusing, and I believe it's in the 1:07:53.120 --> 1:07:54.240 fall that's in the full thing. 1:07:54.360 --> 1:07:57.600 I'm sorry not to be a woman who doesn't work 1:07:57.640 --> 1:08:01.840 in tech about this. This very an so supercomputer named 1:08:01.880 --> 1:08:04.320 after a lady, and we think it's disrespectful. Yes, tell 1:08:04.320 --> 1:08:06.720 me the name again, Vera Rubin Viera Ruben. Okay, the 1:08:06.800 --> 1:08:09.560 Vera Ruben computer is a big box and it's really powerful. 1:08:09.840 --> 1:08:12.240 And inside there's a smaller there's a little shoe box 1:08:12.280 --> 1:08:13.000 that you can keep all. 1:08:12.880 --> 1:08:16.519 The little yeah, and like little smaller computers are all 1:08:16.600 --> 1:08:17.440 tied together. 1:08:17.320 --> 1:08:21.880 Yes, tie together. Okay. RAM is like one box where 1:08:21.920 --> 1:08:24.280 you have all sorts of random things that you might need. 1:08:24.439 --> 1:08:26.439 It's like a chick I know, I know, but I'm 1:08:26.880 --> 1:08:28.400 just I'm picturing it in my head. 1:08:28.800 --> 1:08:32.000 If you if you imagine like city block, right, different 1:08:32.120 --> 1:08:34.920 blocks are different components. The RAM is the streets in 1:08:35.000 --> 1:08:39.000 between them to deliver information. Okay, So more RAM, bigger streets, 1:08:39.160 --> 1:08:41.439 high band with RAM, faster streets, faster traffic. 1:08:41.520 --> 1:08:41.600 Right. 1:08:41.640 --> 1:08:45.200 Okay, So that's the basic thing. It's just a shit 1:08:45.280 --> 1:08:46.639 ton of data. That's what I need. 1:08:47.080 --> 1:08:50.040 Why, oh my god, it's one point five terribies but 1:08:50.200 --> 1:08:51.080 fucking rack. 1:08:51.200 --> 1:08:52.880 O peract and there's a lot of racks in there. 1:08:53.360 --> 1:08:54.439 There's a lot of racks in there. 1:08:54.520 --> 1:08:58.200 Yeah, I fucking dicent will be full of like hundreds. 1:08:58.800 --> 1:09:01.960 Racks on racks on rag literally. Okay, but hold on, 1:09:02.200 --> 1:09:04.120 why is RAM a limited? 1:09:05.000 --> 1:09:07.040 There are only three companies in the world to make it, 1:09:07.240 --> 1:09:10.360 and you can have you go, But that's basically they're 1:09:10.400 --> 1:09:13.519 only three companies and nobody expected they were fine. We 1:09:13.640 --> 1:09:16.439 were fine, and nobody expected that. Why do you need 1:09:16.560 --> 1:09:19.200 so much? God damn ram? Nobody was prepared to do this. 1:09:19.479 --> 1:09:22.559 Yeah, And is RAM a physical thing that somebody makes? 1:09:22.640 --> 1:09:25.840 Yes, it's so the preparation, it's I'm going to fuck 1:09:25.880 --> 1:09:27.960 this up slightly, so deventure, please correct me if I get. 1:09:27.880 --> 1:09:30.160 Say, I am not an architecture. So there's a company. 1:09:29.880 --> 1:09:33.080 Called TSMC Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing. 1:09:33.960 --> 1:09:34.640 I think I get that. 1:09:35.200 --> 1:09:37.320 Also, I respect companies that are just like what's your 1:09:37.400 --> 1:09:39.800 name business companies like fuck, yeah, just tell me what 1:09:39.880 --> 1:09:42.080 you do. They have these things with fabs and they 1:09:42.160 --> 1:09:44.880 basically build chips and there's a whole fucking supply chain 1:09:44.920 --> 1:09:45.720 of how chips are made. 1:09:46.080 --> 1:09:47.160 You get wafers of RAM. 1:09:47.280 --> 1:09:50.240 You caught them up sounds delicious, isn't you get? No, 1:09:50.320 --> 1:09:52.120 you get like a big sheet of you get a 1:09:52.160 --> 1:09:54.400 big sheet of memories. Yeah, and then you caught them up. 1:09:54.479 --> 1:09:55.639 Making chips is fucking cool. 1:09:56.120 --> 1:09:59.880 But you're saying this wafer is a certain amount of chips. 1:10:00.080 --> 1:10:02.360 You print the sheet. You may make a sheet of 1:10:02.439 --> 1:10:04.880 a thousand chips, and then a wafer is one hundred chips. 1:10:05.080 --> 1:10:06.880 A wafer is just the thing that you carp into chips. 1:10:06.960 --> 1:10:09.760 But really simple, just just you don't need to know 1:10:09.880 --> 1:10:13.439 that pit, just really simple. There is a limited amount 1:10:13.600 --> 1:10:18.200 of machinery to build RAM. There are what there's Skehix, 1:10:18.280 --> 1:10:20.080 Samsung and who else who makes them? 1:10:20.560 --> 1:10:23.840 Marvel, Marvel's. There's like three companies who make RAM. 1:10:23.920 --> 1:10:26.280 And we can't make more machines to make m It's. 1:10:26.200 --> 1:10:27.519 Just limited space there spent. 1:10:28.240 --> 1:10:29.920 It's going to take a long time to spin that up. 1:10:30.520 --> 1:10:34.000 One important detail. So making chips in general requires something 1:10:34.040 --> 1:10:37.040 called a clean room. So think about any scientific process 1:10:37.080 --> 1:10:39.800 that cannot be interfered with by any contaminants. 1:10:39.840 --> 1:10:44.320 Growing mushrooms in your garage, right, take it three. 1:10:44.280 --> 1:10:46.360 Hundred steps higher where it's just like if a single 1:10:46.400 --> 1:10:48.439 speck of dust gets in there, you fuck up millions, 1:10:48.560 --> 1:10:50.920 hundreds of millions of dollars, Like, it's really you have 1:10:51.040 --> 1:10:54.840 massive things, and to run these machines requires very specific 1:10:56.240 --> 1:10:58.800 talent that we don't have enough of. But also there's 1:10:59.360 --> 1:11:01.280 only a so an amount of space in the world, 1:11:01.560 --> 1:11:03.479 so we're just we're at the limits. And while they're 1:11:03.520 --> 1:11:06.800 building more fabs where you build these things, there's only 1:11:06.960 --> 1:11:10.840 so much. Right now, we have these fucking assholes who 1:11:10.880 --> 1:11:13.200 are like, I need one point five terabytes to give 1:11:13.200 --> 1:11:16.160 you an idea, Like I think this iPhone air has 1:11:16.200 --> 1:11:20.080 eight gigabytes of RAM. Terror byte is one thousand gigabytes 1:11:20.120 --> 1:11:24.160 of incorrect Yeah, correct, great stuff. So it's just like 1:11:24.439 --> 1:11:27.840 you have one big asshole taking all the chips. Now 1:11:28.000 --> 1:11:30.840 back to my I worry about the collapse thing we're 1:11:30.880 --> 1:11:33.080 gonna have. We have all of this allocation being done 1:11:33.120 --> 1:11:36.680 for one company. What happens those aren't selling anymore. We're 1:11:36.680 --> 1:11:39.679 gonna just have fucking chaos. But until then, the price 1:11:39.720 --> 1:11:42.120 of RAM is going to keep going up and it's 1:11:42.160 --> 1:11:43.720 going to be harder to get, which will make it 1:11:43.800 --> 1:11:46.760 more expensive, which will make every single consumer device more 1:11:46.800 --> 1:11:47.920 expensive without exception. 1:11:48.040 --> 1:11:50.320 And again, just to ask the stupid question when we 1:11:50.439 --> 1:11:52.880 say the price of RAM is going up. I could 1:11:53.000 --> 1:11:56.879 equivalently say the price per RAM chip. 1:11:56.800 --> 1:11:59.479 Is yes, exactly, sure, great, And it's kind of it's 1:11:59.560 --> 1:12:02.479 like it's a very simple supply chain things like if 1:12:02.520 --> 1:12:05.519 the price of wheels went up, cause would become more expensive. 1:12:05.520 --> 1:12:07.439 I realized that it's a city, but like it's a 1:12:07.600 --> 1:12:10.320 very simple thing and it's affecting everything, and I'm that's 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:11.160 what pisses me off. 1:12:11.320 --> 1:12:13.280 Yeah, because like we can debate about like how useful 1:12:13.320 --> 1:12:15.880 AI is, but the direct impact to consumers right now, 1:12:15.960 --> 1:12:19.479 people building PCs, anybody buying a new computer, You're gonna 1:12:19.479 --> 1:12:21.760 be screwed in twenty twenty six. And I'm working on 1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:24.160 a piece right now about that because tell me, tell 1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:26.479 us more. Yeah, it's the same thing. It's AMD also 1:12:26.479 --> 1:12:29.720 announced their new high end supercomputer, you know, full I 1:12:29.880 --> 1:12:33.559 servers also gobs of ramp. So yesterday I sat down 1:12:33.600 --> 1:12:35.599 and I talked with one of the AMD executives about 1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:37.600 like what is the state of the computing industry, Like 1:12:37.640 --> 1:12:40.560 how do things look? And they admit, like, you know, 1:12:40.680 --> 1:12:42.680 it's going to be rough. People are probably if you're 1:12:42.800 --> 1:12:44.639 a PC owner and you're going to do an upgrade, 1:12:44.840 --> 1:12:46.519 you're probably not going to build a whole new PC 1:12:46.720 --> 1:12:49.360 this year. Maybe you'll just do a processor upgrade or 1:12:49.439 --> 1:12:51.519 GP upgrade or something. Even those are going to get expensive. 1:12:51.920 --> 1:12:55.200 But I think they're expecting a slowdown in this industry too, 1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:57.200 So it's gonna be it's gonna be tough. 1:12:57.280 --> 1:13:00.200 And the solution can't even just buy be buy used 1:13:00.240 --> 1:13:02.120 and refurbished because those prices. 1:13:01.880 --> 1:13:05.000 Those prices around and we're seeing the after effects of that. Actually, 1:13:05.040 --> 1:13:08.479 outside of this so weird example, but we're running out. 1:13:08.520 --> 1:13:11.200 We also don't have enough power. So gas turbines which 1:13:11.200 --> 1:13:13.040 they're using to power in these days send this, which 1:13:13.080 --> 1:13:15.320 you should not do but a doing anyway, are actually 1:13:15.400 --> 1:13:18.240 sold out for seven years, so they're buying old used 1:13:18.320 --> 1:13:21.200 gas turbines. I wouldn't be surprised if the used RAM 1:13:21.320 --> 1:13:22.479 market gets fucked too. 1:13:22.720 --> 1:13:23.639 It's already getting bad. 1:13:23.640 --> 1:13:26.479 But hell yeah, I mean, who do no one worries 1:13:26.600 --> 1:13:30.519 someone stopped making consumer ram, right of course Micron, Micron 1:13:30.560 --> 1:13:31.960 my dad, sorry, so. 1:13:32.360 --> 1:13:34.960 And I feel bad and Micron owned Crucial, and I 1:13:35.000 --> 1:13:37.920 feel was like the first ramstick I bought when I 1:13:38.000 --> 1:13:40.120 was building a computer, and like I have memories attached 1:13:40.120 --> 1:13:42.519 to that. My bigger worry, though, is they're lighting up 1:13:42.640 --> 1:13:45.720 nuclear power plants for this bullshit. And that's where it's like. 1:13:45.840 --> 1:13:47.960 I'm not worried about that. I'm worried more about the 1:13:48.000 --> 1:13:48.599 gas turbine. 1:13:48.640 --> 1:13:50.599 The gas is bad. The gas is bad because nuclear 1:13:50.680 --> 1:13:53.760 power will get that's going to be a big fight. 1:13:53.880 --> 1:13:56.280 But I we should we should have invested more in 1:13:56.320 --> 1:13:58.320 nuclear power. It may be too late, but I don't know. 1:13:58.479 --> 1:14:01.559 Hold on, Yeah, you're saying bad to light up nuclear 1:14:01.600 --> 1:14:03.760 power plants because these are old things that might not 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:06.360 be in good enough shape. Well, it's just more like 1:14:07.040 --> 1:14:08.720 you're not saying you're not anti nuclear. 1:14:08.600 --> 1:14:10.479 I'm not anti nuclear power. We need that power for 1:14:10.560 --> 1:14:13.240 other stuff and this power should be going to like 1:14:13.360 --> 1:14:17.479 residential uses. And it's literally gonna be sucked up by bullshit. 1:14:17.520 --> 1:14:19.559 But it's still and you're and why are the gas 1:14:19.600 --> 1:14:20.479 turbines back gasses? 1:14:20.600 --> 1:14:24.120 Because because gas turbines are basically calmode. No they're not 1:14:24.280 --> 1:14:26.320 the same, but like they have the same after effect 1:14:26.360 --> 1:14:29.439 of belching out gas. And Elon Musk's data centers are 1:14:29.439 --> 1:14:32.639 already ruining black communities because of this very specific thing. 1:14:32.760 --> 1:14:33.760 They're poisoning water. 1:14:34.360 --> 1:14:38.040 It's really fucking horrible. But also this ram thing I 1:14:38.120 --> 1:14:41.360 think is gonna be everywhere, and the PC industry was 1:14:41.400 --> 1:14:42.320 already in decline. 1:14:42.360 --> 1:14:44.479 I believe they were now it was last year it 1:14:44.560 --> 1:14:46.479 was they actually got I thought they were having my 1:14:46.600 --> 1:14:48.479 bad No, but only Dell was down. 1:14:48.640 --> 1:14:50.560 But here's the thing, for reasons we discussed. 1:14:50.320 --> 1:14:53.719 Surely won't everyone be down because more expensive and Apple 1:14:54.240 --> 1:14:58.000 smartphone sales, like every bit of this is gonna be bad, 1:14:58.439 --> 1:15:01.240 and they are already running out of ways to sell 1:15:01.320 --> 1:15:04.720 you a phone. My biggest example being like this, why 1:15:04.760 --> 1:15:08.120 else would they ship Apple Intelligence, which is the most 1:15:08.600 --> 1:15:11.559 mass radicalization event I've seen in tech. Just I've never 1:15:11.640 --> 1:15:14.040 met so many people like fuck ai them people who 1:15:14.160 --> 1:15:15.800 use Apple Intelligence. 1:15:15.280 --> 1:15:17.479 Yeah, who are just like fuck this shit, I fucking 1:15:17.520 --> 1:15:20.680 hate this. Why I don't know why my phone is 1:15:20.760 --> 1:15:23.439 like sparkly rainbows and just wrong all the time and 1:15:23.560 --> 1:15:26.160 giving me a summary saying like eight uber's are coming your. 1:15:26.080 --> 1:15:28.760 Way, the notifications are bad. Apple wouldn't be doing that 1:15:28.960 --> 1:15:31.439 if other people weren't chasing all this. But they're being 1:15:31.479 --> 1:15:34.920 forced into it, and you know are they being forced 1:15:34.960 --> 1:15:37.160 They're kind of being forced into it because like why 1:15:37.200 --> 1:15:41.360 could they not be like because everyone talks stock prices, yeah, shareholders, 1:15:41.400 --> 1:15:43.760 stock price. Everyone's like, oh man, Apple slow to AI. 1:15:43.920 --> 1:15:46.320 I guess Apple doesn't have the innovation. 1:15:46.640 --> 1:15:49.000 You know. It's like someone didn't shit that pans yet. 1:15:49.120 --> 1:15:51.960 Yeah, So Apple rushed out Apple Intelligence. They got out there, 1:15:52.000 --> 1:15:54.519 they announced this super smart sery thing which was not 1:15:54.720 --> 1:15:56.560 They couldn't ship it, so they took a hit for that. 1:15:56.640 --> 1:15:59.280 They took a hit for the intelligence issues. Again, they 1:15:59.320 --> 1:16:01.640 were forced into that in a way. And hey, I 1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:04.679 blame them for thre the issues. But if Apple left 1:16:04.720 --> 1:16:06.920 its own devices as a company that is really slow 1:16:07.160 --> 1:16:09.880 about pushing and trying to change new things, I think 1:16:09.920 --> 1:16:12.280 they would at least try to make it less error prone. 1:16:12.280 --> 1:16:15.200 But and the point I was making was that Apple 1:16:15.680 --> 1:16:18.400 shoving Apple Intelligence in there was a sign that Apple 1:16:18.439 --> 1:16:19.559 doesn't really have anything else. 1:16:19.600 --> 1:16:21.639 And I will say this, people get so map when 1:16:21.640 --> 1:16:22.880 I like my devices. People. 1:16:23.080 --> 1:16:25.800 I get little emails of people being like fucking hill 1:16:25.960 --> 1:16:27.479 when I'm just like, yeah, I like my phone, and 1:16:27.520 --> 1:16:28.840 they're like fucking piece of shit. 1:16:29.200 --> 1:16:32.200 But it's like Apple Phone, good use it. I don't know. 1:16:32.360 --> 1:16:32.960 I would love an. 1:16:32.920 --> 1:16:35.360 Apple phone with great aspects of Apple Intelligence. 1:16:35.000 --> 1:16:38.360 Other than the liquid ass the new operating system that 1:16:38.479 --> 1:16:40.760 is so bad it makes want to scream. But it's like, 1:16:41.160 --> 1:16:43.479 it's just because we're and it's not because of Apple 1:16:43.520 --> 1:16:45.880 being a bad company, sir. It's just there's only so 1:16:46.000 --> 1:16:48.160 much you can do with a certain form factor. Your 1:16:48.200 --> 1:16:49.519 phone can only do so much. 1:16:49.840 --> 1:16:53.160 But there are things like, hey, voice memos instantly transcribed now, 1:16:53.439 --> 1:16:54.920 that is sick sick. 1:16:55.640 --> 1:16:57.559 Voice notes getting TransCards, it's fucking great. 1:16:57.640 --> 1:17:00.800 Can hit under calls now and those get trans that's 1:17:00.800 --> 1:17:02.599 happening because of an ARM device AI. 1:17:02.720 --> 1:17:04.600 And it's so that's great and that shit's dope, but 1:17:04.680 --> 1:17:07.080 that shit don't make growth happen like you're not. But 1:17:07.240 --> 1:17:10.120 also everyone does that now and that's the problem. It's like, 1:17:10.600 --> 1:17:11.840 how do you sell a new phone? 1:17:12.240 --> 1:17:14.479 So they're in this situation where how do we sell 1:17:14.520 --> 1:17:16.120 a new phone at a time when they're going to 1:17:16.160 --> 1:17:18.720 have to increase the prices on everything because RAM is 1:17:18.760 --> 1:17:21.960 more expensive because to make a new phone faster you 1:17:22.120 --> 1:17:22.720 need RAM. 1:17:22.880 --> 1:17:25.400 But also to fit models onto your phone you need 1:17:25.479 --> 1:17:27.759 more to RAM. You need more RAM because those models 1:17:27.840 --> 1:17:30.000 sit in memory and have to sit there and work 1:17:30.040 --> 1:17:32.200 all the time. They can't just like come off the story, ste. 1:17:32.240 --> 1:17:34.200 Do you remember in like twenty twenty twenty twenty one, 1:17:34.200 --> 1:17:37.719 the supply chain crisis that was caused by like basic 1:17:37.840 --> 1:17:40.680 goods being delayed. Yeah, this is kind of like that 1:17:40.920 --> 1:17:43.800 for computer and we're going to see how many things 1:17:43.880 --> 1:17:48.439 have computer in it, televisions, phones, cars, I mean even 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:51.680 the thing we're recording on right here, that that has 1:17:51.800 --> 1:17:54.320 RAM in it, That everything has RAM on it that 1:17:54.439 --> 1:17:55.800 has any electronics these days. 1:17:55.880 --> 1:17:57.880 That's my big worry of twenty twenty six is basically 1:17:58.000 --> 1:18:00.840 worse screwed when it comes to consumer But the thing 1:18:01.000 --> 1:18:03.639 is it will good for prices, screwed for prices, good 1:18:03.680 --> 1:18:06.639 for all sorts of things, but oh sorry, keep going well, 1:18:06.880 --> 1:18:09.479 companies may die out like think like things will just 1:18:09.560 --> 1:18:12.080 be bad, but yes, prices is gonna be where it starts. 1:18:12.240 --> 1:18:14.120 And the other thing is is that we're at a 1:18:14.200 --> 1:18:16.640 point when they're they're as you've seen you are at 1:18:16.760 --> 1:18:21.080 the Consumer Electronics Show, You've had a very egregious example 1:18:21.280 --> 1:18:24.760 of how these companies do not have a fucking clue 1:18:24.800 --> 1:18:27.400 what to sell you. They're still they're half heartedly coming 1:18:27.479 --> 1:18:30.519 up with ideas like the death of a relationship. It's like, yeah, 1:18:30.560 --> 1:18:34.000 we're gonna go per recar guess we fucking hate each other. 1:18:34.080 --> 1:18:35.679 We're gonna go on what was gonna be so happy. 1:18:35.880 --> 1:18:37.560 Everyone's trying to come up with a little idea to 1:18:37.640 --> 1:18:40.240 do something with and at a time when they're struggling 1:18:40.280 --> 1:18:42.200 for ideas to sell more things. 1:18:42.080 --> 1:18:45.680 To grow the core thing they used to build, the 1:18:45.800 --> 1:18:48.680 thing is becoming more expensive in a way that you 1:18:48.800 --> 1:18:49.600 can't circumvent. 1:18:49.880 --> 1:18:52.479 There is no way to fix this. Good example would 1:18:52.479 --> 1:18:54.200 be so in Video. I may have mentioned this is 1:18:54.240 --> 1:18:57.559 the previous episode I'm review here. So in Nvidia Crazy Thing, 1:18:57.680 --> 1:19:00.200 eighty eight percent of their revenue comes from selling these 1:19:00.240 --> 1:19:03.400 things for data centers. A much smaller percentage comes from 1:19:03.439 --> 1:19:08.879 selling GPUs for gaming devices, so an Xbox, for example. 1:19:09.560 --> 1:19:11.400 The problem is with that is they've already raised the 1:19:11.439 --> 1:19:13.640 price on the Xbox. They're probably going to have to 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:16.599 do it again and those GPUs now in Video also 1:19:16.680 --> 1:19:18.640 has deals with other companies where they can take an 1:19:18.640 --> 1:19:21.160 in Vidia GPU for gamers and they can sell it. 1:19:21.240 --> 1:19:22.880 They can say it's an Video GPU, but it's got 1:19:22.920 --> 1:19:24.640 our label on it. We do special things with them. 1:19:25.000 --> 1:19:28.240 Problem in Video is no longer including RAM with them, 1:19:28.439 --> 1:19:32.760 so every single non Invidio GPU company has to now 1:19:32.840 --> 1:19:36.559 buy RAM separately. So their supply chain just got fucked up. 1:19:36.600 --> 1:19:38.880 Imagine if you're a car company and you. 1:19:38.960 --> 1:19:41.200 Buy a certain block of car and it has certain bits, 1:19:41.240 --> 1:19:44.000 but you customize it and they're like, yeah, man, sorry, 1:19:44.080 --> 1:19:46.000 we just don't do steering wheels here anymore. 1:19:46.040 --> 1:19:47.720 They got real expensive. You're gonna have to buy them 1:19:47.720 --> 1:19:49.840 from the steering wheel guy who is now charging more. 1:19:49.960 --> 1:19:52.599 That's already happened to some degree to stuff like light 1:19:52.720 --> 1:19:55.479 ar and things like. There was technology that was in 1:19:55.600 --> 1:19:59.320 Tesla's like this is Cordy pilot and self driving and 1:19:59.400 --> 1:20:00.439 then later expensive. 1:20:00.640 --> 1:20:03.160 But it's the thing, though, this is a really simple 1:20:03.280 --> 1:20:07.160 thing though. This is just the like part of the motor. 1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:12.920 This is the core component of the entire computing supply 1:20:13.120 --> 1:20:15.519 chain everywhere that is going to go up. We're going 1:20:15.560 --> 1:20:18.120 to see, to your point of Indra, shit just get 1:20:18.200 --> 1:20:21.000 more expensive and see who can withstand that pain? 1:20:21.200 --> 1:20:23.240 I mean, what do you what do you think the 1:20:23.360 --> 1:20:31.200 chances are that inflation actually causes some kind of spark 1:20:31.520 --> 1:20:38.720 conflagration before the financial collapse of the AIS. 1:20:38.680 --> 1:20:41.919 Will lead to the Yeah, this is a form of inflation, 1:20:42.320 --> 1:20:43.759 honestly on the compute industry. 1:20:44.080 --> 1:20:46.080 I'm saying, no, no, no, sorry, that's exactly what I'm saying. 1:20:46.080 --> 1:20:49.800 I'm saying, like you've talked about the financial collapse of 1:20:50.160 --> 1:20:55.640 the AI's system of borrowing money. Ye, yeah, yeah, that 1:20:56.920 --> 1:21:03.160 could go bad when if if keep going Yeah okay, 1:21:06.600 --> 1:21:13.559 this is like playing a clarinet solo in front of everybody. Okay, uh, 1:21:13.960 --> 1:21:19.160 that could that financial collapse could trigger if in video stops. Fuck, 1:21:19.200 --> 1:21:20.559 we were just talking about this last night. 1:21:20.760 --> 1:21:21.920 Yeah, if in video stops. 1:21:22.040 --> 1:21:25.240 Most of in Vidia's revenue comes from people borrowing money, yes, 1:21:25.400 --> 1:21:26.479 with borrowed money. 1:21:26.360 --> 1:21:28.560 Yes, and if people if I mean, if if the 1:21:28.600 --> 1:21:32.240 bank's ever come calling for that borrowed money, they're doo 1:21:32.240 --> 1:21:36.120 dooo lens yes, or if in video stop, if there 1:21:36.439 --> 1:21:39.320 what is it? If their numbers go down, but if 1:21:39.360 --> 1:21:42.400 their revenue stop growing, if their revenue stop growing, Okay, 1:21:42.560 --> 1:21:46.960 that's the like financial system collapse, poential collapse. What do 1:21:47.040 --> 1:21:50.920 you think the chances are that this inflation just hits 1:21:51.400 --> 1:21:56.320 like general populous so severely before the actual before the 1:21:56.400 --> 1:22:00.640 in video financial with this computer I understand, but like, 1:22:00.760 --> 1:22:02.800 but like so severe, you know, I mean, people are just, 1:22:02.880 --> 1:22:03.400 people are. 1:22:03.360 --> 1:22:04.960 Just I think I get through it. 1:22:05.400 --> 1:22:07.160 I think I get what you're saying. It will cause 1:22:07.560 --> 1:22:11.360 two gut punches. It will be likely before the AI 1:22:11.479 --> 1:22:14.960 bubble burst, we will have a thing where anyone selling 1:22:15.000 --> 1:22:19.680 consumer electronics or even enterprise hardware, so just consume electronics 1:22:19.720 --> 1:22:23.040 for the enterprise. Their cost go up, so they will 1:22:23.080 --> 1:22:26.160 probably sell less because their customers will be unable to 1:22:26.240 --> 1:22:28.639 afford as much, which will cause a bunch of tech 1:22:28.720 --> 1:22:30.960 companies to not make as much money, which will lower 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:33.680 the values of their stocks. This will then lead them 1:22:33.720 --> 1:22:37.479 to go AI AI, and then their shareholders will go, great, 1:22:37.520 --> 1:22:39.920 you've been saying that AI bullshit for three years, you 1:22:40.000 --> 1:22:40.559 got any money? 1:22:40.600 --> 1:22:43.160 And they go, what if I told you I had 1:22:43.280 --> 1:22:45.639 less money? Because it lost me? And at that point 1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:48.960 the world panshitting competition will end like. 1:22:49.080 --> 1:22:51.320 It's I guess I listen to all of this and 1:22:51.560 --> 1:22:57.240 I actually get my gut, which means almost nothing because 1:22:57.360 --> 1:23:01.040 I understand almost nothing of it. But my gut says 1:23:01.120 --> 1:23:06.120 that the thank you, that the the inflationary effects are 1:23:06.200 --> 1:23:10.120 going to actually be more immediate than. 1:23:10.080 --> 1:23:10.719 The AI body. 1:23:10.760 --> 1:23:14.960 I agree fully, And I guess I don't mean like, duh, yeah, 1:23:15.040 --> 1:23:18.560 they're happening now, but I mean like some degree of 1:23:18.680 --> 1:23:23.680 severity that that people decide is not tolerable. Yeah, and 1:23:23.680 --> 1:23:26.759 it will happen before the AI Bob. Sorry, we bently 1:23:26.800 --> 1:23:28.680 brought you into the No, no, no, you're good. 1:23:28.720 --> 1:23:32.200 I mean I think, I mean this raises me. The's 1:23:32.240 --> 1:23:33.920 something I've just been wondering where it feels like we 1:23:34.040 --> 1:23:37.000 just keep coming up into this problem where we are 1:23:37.200 --> 1:23:43.519 having uh, structural limitations imposed or you know, rushed up 1:23:43.560 --> 1:23:46.880 against because you know, the sector in one way or 1:23:46.880 --> 1:23:51.719 another is forcing allocation of resources, allocation of capital, demands 1:23:51.760 --> 1:23:56.040 of growth, allocation of energy to satisfy it. So you know, 1:23:56.160 --> 1:23:57.960 at what point does it end where you know, we 1:23:58.600 --> 1:24:00.720 we have a shortage of power. Now we have a 1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:04.920 shortage of RAM that seems to be in the short 1:24:05.000 --> 1:24:07.280 and medium term fundamentally unfixable. 1:24:07.560 --> 1:24:10.599 It is, and it's the demands of eternal growth. It really, 1:24:10.760 --> 1:24:13.400 it's just because here's the thing we talk about a 1:24:13.479 --> 1:24:15.439 lot this week about we just want to compute that works. 1:24:16.000 --> 1:24:18.400 Yeah, that isn't going to grow the company guaranteed twenty 1:24:18.439 --> 1:24:20.880 percent year of a year, every single quarter. And it 1:24:21.000 --> 1:24:23.439 sucks because you should just be able to have a 1:24:23.479 --> 1:24:26.040 company that grows three percent every quarter. Yeah, the stock 1:24:26.120 --> 1:24:28.719 market should like that, but they don't. And as a result, 1:24:28.960 --> 1:24:32.320 when things consume, they must consume eternally to your point. 1:24:32.520 --> 1:24:35.040 Yeah, I mean the best example of this recently is 1:24:35.160 --> 1:24:39.880 the instant pot, right, Oh yeah, everybody loves an instant pot. 1:24:40.200 --> 1:24:42.120 It's too good. It's so good. 1:24:42.400 --> 1:24:44.880 Nobody needed to buy a new instant pots instant part 1:24:44.920 --> 1:24:46.479 when I hat of business well books, they got balled 1:24:46.479 --> 1:24:47.640 by private equity. 1:24:47.560 --> 1:24:50.679 Too, but also they could they couldn't hit that mass 1:24:50.720 --> 1:24:54.040 growth because instant pot too good. It just works. 1:24:54.200 --> 1:24:55.719 A pressure cooker is a pressure cooker. 1:24:55.960 --> 1:24:57.720 Yeah, and they were one of the first digital ones. 1:24:57.760 --> 1:24:59.479 But it's still it works and it works. 1:24:59.520 --> 1:24:59.720 Well. 1:25:00.000 --> 1:25:03.120 Oh sorry, you couldn't grow fast enough, you're dead. 1:25:03.720 --> 1:25:06.840 Yeah, And it sucks because I don't know that I 1:25:06.960 --> 1:25:08.920 have this somewhat. I don't know. Maybe this is not 1:25:09.040 --> 1:25:09.400 Night List. 1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:11.840 Would they have died if private equity hadn't bought them? 1:25:12.000 --> 1:25:13.120 No, probably not. 1:25:13.439 --> 1:25:15.800 They were private, Yeah, they were. They were private. 1:25:15.800 --> 1:25:16.880 They can just keep chugging along it. 1:25:16.960 --> 1:25:17.519 They could keep it. 1:25:18.000 --> 1:25:20.040 If you're a private company, you don't have shareholp. I 1:25:20.040 --> 1:25:22.120 guess you have investors beyond a shareholders saying you have 1:25:22.200 --> 1:25:24.400 to grow. You don't have fucking Jim Kramer up your asshole. 1:25:25.320 --> 1:25:28.400 And it's it's unfortunate, But I think that there is 1:25:28.439 --> 1:25:29.960 a level of this. I hones, stay, I'm glad you 1:25:30.000 --> 1:25:32.719 brought this up. I think the thing that happens before 1:25:32.760 --> 1:25:37.240 the AI bubble is just the the ultimate slowdown, because 1:25:37.920 --> 1:25:40.160 what was it like the fact that like, it's kind 1:25:40.200 --> 1:25:44.640 of insane the Dell did such a big song and 1:25:44.760 --> 1:25:48.639 danced last year and then we're like, actually, JK, I'm kidding. 1:25:49.760 --> 1:25:52.960 That was a bit where it hurts. Yeah, they directly 1:25:53.080 --> 1:25:55.719 saw falling sales because and they could draw the line 1:25:55.760 --> 1:25:58.120 to the rebranding. Because of that, They're like, oh shit, 1:25:58.360 --> 1:26:01.280 what do we do? We got to refolk Is on consumers. 1:26:00.920 --> 1:26:02.559 Which is so bizarre. 1:26:02.640 --> 1:26:05.560 Though if only people loudly told them that this was 1:26:05.560 --> 1:26:07.200 a mistake from the beginning. 1:26:06.880 --> 1:26:09.760 If only there were articles at engadget dot com that 1:26:09.880 --> 1:26:13.160 they could have read in detail last year. But it's 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:17.560 like that's that's really like, this is very bad, this 1:26:17.800 --> 1:26:22.519 ram crisis, this is bad. It's so I'm because it's 1:26:22.560 --> 1:26:23.600 so scary. 1:26:24.040 --> 1:26:27.840 What now then happens with because I think something that 1:26:27.920 --> 1:26:29.920 we've talked about also is I think, like you know, 1:26:30.000 --> 1:26:31.760 kind of like what you're saying off the top, the 1:26:32.000 --> 1:26:36.880 financial element of uh, the AI bubble is one that 1:26:37.479 --> 1:26:39.880 we can see it for what it is, but that 1:26:39.960 --> 1:26:41.960 there are multitude of ways in which they've been able 1:26:42.040 --> 1:26:44.680 to juggle, find some new frontier of. 1:26:44.760 --> 1:26:46.840 Growth, justify and more. 1:26:47.360 --> 1:26:51.240 These structural issues that we keep coming across feel non negotiable. 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:54.800 So what effect do do you guys see them as 1:26:55.760 --> 1:27:01.479 being risk of some sort of breaking point? Yes, in 1:27:01.600 --> 1:27:04.599 terms of the AI infrastructure overbuild, in terms of adoption 1:27:04.800 --> 1:27:09.160 amongst consumers, I mean like like what like let's say, 1:27:09.240 --> 1:27:15.480 for let's say that nothing happens in terms of degradation 1:27:15.600 --> 1:27:19.360 of the financial conditions, Is the structural limitations that we're 1:27:19.360 --> 1:27:22.719 seeing there with the RAM sufficient to impose like a crisis. 1:27:22.840 --> 1:27:24.960 Yes, is basically what I'm you're saying. It's so much 1:27:25.000 --> 1:27:27.000 more eloquently than what I'm what I'm asking, But that's 1:27:27.080 --> 1:27:27.800 basically exactly what. 1:27:27.840 --> 1:27:31.880 I'm asking yourself. You were completely on the money. 1:27:32.000 --> 1:27:34.599 You were also at here's the thing, and I think 1:27:34.680 --> 1:27:37.800 Davindri you are thoughts in this as well. It's you 1:27:38.200 --> 1:27:41.799 you can get more of that money can be found elsewhere. 1:27:41.960 --> 1:27:46.920 Singaporean boys that the country's fund I remember the name 1:27:47.000 --> 1:27:49.840 for that they invested. They're going to invest in anthropic 1:27:49.960 --> 1:27:52.240 More money can be found. There's a limit but we're 1:27:52.280 --> 1:27:55.439 not at it. Yeah, they're on limits to power. And 1:27:55.560 --> 1:27:59.040 here's the thing, one point five fucking terrorbytes per. I'm 1:27:59.080 --> 1:28:02.080 going to guess V two hundred eight e eight GP 1:28:02.320 --> 1:28:03.519 whatever the tower, That's what. 1:28:03.560 --> 1:28:04.240 I was gonna guess. 1:28:04.840 --> 1:28:08.160 Of course, you're constantly like the GB three hundreds four 1:28:08.200 --> 1:28:10.080 point five million dollars at how the hell did the 1:28:10.200 --> 1:28:11.040 economics work? 1:28:11.200 --> 1:28:13.880 What do you mean data an ri t ed, I 1:28:13.920 --> 1:28:16.479 don't get this. People are saying that the cost of 1:28:16.600 --> 1:28:21.120 inference is going down, it's going up. Let's talk about 1:28:21.200 --> 1:28:22.000 high bam ri RAM. 1:28:22.080 --> 1:28:25.760 You're constantly in my text with yeah, you just won't 1:28:25.800 --> 1:28:27.120 stop talking about models. 1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:29.880 No, but it's just real simple. 1:28:30.160 --> 1:28:30.920 And videos are. 1:28:30.920 --> 1:28:33.680 Saying we're gonna build the biggest, fucking hugest tower ever 1:28:34.160 --> 1:28:35.920 and by the way, it's full of more RAM than ever. 1:28:36.360 --> 1:28:40.439 They haven't announced the price of then you big enterprise GPUs. 1:28:41.240 --> 1:28:45.559 I think they're going to be catastrophically more expensive because 1:28:45.600 --> 1:28:49.280 they have more RAM than ever. It's like everything, including 1:28:49.360 --> 1:28:53.120 the thing that needs debt, the borrowed money to keep going, 1:28:53.600 --> 1:28:56.599 is going to get more expensive. Consumer devices are getting 1:28:56.840 --> 1:28:59.880 get more expensive. To your point, ed, it's like, yeah, 1:29:00.000 --> 1:29:01.400 they've been able to get away with it because you 1:29:01.439 --> 1:29:03.639 can find more venture capital. Man, you can find more day, 1:29:03.640 --> 1:29:06.120 you can find more assholes to loan your money. You 1:29:06.240 --> 1:29:09.880 can't find more ram. You can't find more power is 1:29:09.920 --> 1:29:12.439 not something you don't just like plug into the fucking wall. 1:29:12.880 --> 1:29:17.840 There are literal limits. And it's like we're now, we're 1:29:17.880 --> 1:29:20.240 now seeing the after that. I can't get over the 1:29:20.280 --> 1:29:23.160 fact they raised the laptops place five hundred bucks. That's 1:29:23.240 --> 1:29:29.400 fucking that makes it unaffordable for most people. That's that 1:29:29.600 --> 1:29:33.879 is a huge and this is this stops people upgrading 1:29:33.920 --> 1:29:37.080 and upgrade cycles of what make these companies live and 1:29:37.320 --> 1:29:40.680 die at a time when there's less real you can 1:29:40.720 --> 1:29:43.560 get a laptop from you even I could get like 1:29:43.640 --> 1:29:46.920 an M three MacBook Air and be pretty fucking happy. 1:29:47.120 --> 1:29:49.800 I'm using a three year old MacBook Pro and it 1:29:49.920 --> 1:29:52.799 fucking bangs. Is that ship that shits? That shit's flying? 1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:53.880 Computer that work? 1:29:54.320 --> 1:29:58.160 But the thing is why would I upgrade? And that's 1:29:58.200 --> 1:30:00.760 actually like that sounds like a kids see things that 1:30:01.000 --> 1:30:04.800 that's actually a huge question because I'm like a tech pig, 1:30:05.000 --> 1:30:07.280 like I'm a hog. I love my laptops and my goot, 1:30:07.479 --> 1:30:09.400 my dud dad's and my gizmos and shit, and I'm like, 1:30:09.920 --> 1:30:11.760 I don't fucking need a new laptop. Why would any 1:30:11.760 --> 1:30:12.320 of that is going on? 1:30:12.920 --> 1:30:15.439 That is a good problem Like that is usually it's 1:30:15.479 --> 1:30:17.960 good for consumers. It's good for consumers, it's a good 1:30:18.200 --> 1:30:21.560 it's you made a good product that lasts. Unfortunately, that 1:30:21.800 --> 1:30:24.240 is bad for your overall revenues. But that's good that 1:30:24.439 --> 1:30:27.000 you you were capable of doing that. I wish more 1:30:27.040 --> 1:30:29.639 companies were capable of doing that, Honestly. I'm also thinking 1:30:29.680 --> 1:30:33.080 about like where we are the climate crisis isn't isn't 1:30:33.160 --> 1:30:33.800 slowing down? 1:30:34.120 --> 1:30:34.240 Right? 1:30:34.320 --> 1:30:37.040 Like, we're all these companies that for so long we're 1:30:37.040 --> 1:30:39.040 talking about, Oh, where we have all these climate gold 1:30:39.080 --> 1:30:41.240 we're going to reduce energy, we're going to be more conservative. 1:30:41.840 --> 1:30:45.920 Once AI shit started happening, they shut up because all 1:30:46.040 --> 1:30:48.719 their all their stuff blew away. That didn't matter anymore 1:30:48.840 --> 1:30:51.599 because it was all AI all the time. And yeah, 1:30:51.680 --> 1:30:53.600 what what? The world right now is going to be 1:30:53.680 --> 1:30:56.040 more expensive when it comes to gadgets. The world in 1:30:56.120 --> 1:30:57.680 the future is going to be hard to live in 1:30:58.080 --> 1:31:00.280 because of all the stupid decisions happening right now. 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The take industry needs to be 1:32:24.880 --> 1:32:28.320 punished for the growth lust because there is no there's 1:32:28.400 --> 1:32:31.880 no sustainable future doing this and this was also inevitable 1:32:32.960 --> 1:32:34.160 and I think it's scary. 1:32:34.439 --> 1:32:36.800 So they're just I mean, so then is the you know, 1:32:36.960 --> 1:32:41.040 if we if ideally what it delays on the products 1:32:41.080 --> 1:32:45.000 that are the most RAM intensive to give infrastructure a 1:32:45.120 --> 1:32:49.919 chance to fill a backlog and to give the next generation. 1:32:50.320 --> 1:32:53.120 There are rumors that they may revive old hardware. There's 1:32:53.120 --> 1:32:56.120 a rumor that in videos, RTX thirty sixty, which is 1:32:56.160 --> 1:32:58.800 a two three year old GPU, maybe back in market 1:32:58.880 --> 1:33:01.320 soon because it's using all older slower RAM too, so 1:33:01.400 --> 1:33:03.960 it's not using the newest, fastest stuff but less powerful 1:33:04.000 --> 1:33:06.479 GP yeah, way less powerful. But it's also like like 1:33:06.560 --> 1:33:08.840 two generations back. It is a sign that you have 1:33:08.920 --> 1:33:12.640 to bring back the past because the present is unaffordable 1:33:12.800 --> 1:33:15.840 and you cannot make it. So, I don't know, that's 1:33:15.960 --> 1:33:16.840 never happened before. 1:33:17.000 --> 1:33:18.760 Yeah, I so we're never heard of that. 1:33:19.000 --> 1:33:20.400 We don't know if this is true, but this is 1:33:20.439 --> 1:33:22.200 the really I thought that was confirmed. 1:33:24.960 --> 1:33:29.640 So I okay, as my responsibility as my person I 1:33:30.479 --> 1:33:35.320 then think about how do normal people experience this, because 1:33:35.439 --> 1:33:40.160 normal people have heard AI a million times. We've heard 1:33:40.280 --> 1:33:43.920 ram is getting more expensive. But like I think I'm smart, 1:33:44.280 --> 1:33:46.559 and I didn't know any of this ship. I've heard 1:33:46.600 --> 1:33:48.920 these words, but I don't know the details. And so 1:33:49.240 --> 1:33:53.839 as a as a representative of normal people, as stuff 1:33:53.920 --> 1:33:58.000 gets more and more and more expensive, so far, the 1:33:58.600 --> 1:34:04.679 American population has just borne the load of more expensive life. 1:34:05.960 --> 1:34:08.320 People have. People complain about it. It's very frustrating. It 1:34:08.479 --> 1:34:11.760 negatively impacts people's physical health and they're to enjoy life. 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:16.160 But like pretty much everybody has just sort of God. 1:34:16.080 --> 1:34:18.320 The people who can afford it eat the cost, but 1:34:18.520 --> 1:34:20.160 then we don't hear about the people who. 1:34:20.120 --> 1:34:22.719 But there's there's also a limit finish oppression. 1:34:23.080 --> 1:34:25.920 Yes, but I think the people who can't afford it 1:34:26.080 --> 1:34:27.320 eat the cost too, I mean. 1:34:27.280 --> 1:34:29.000 Like in other ways. But here's the thing. 1:34:29.120 --> 1:34:30.040 Really, here's the thing. 1:34:31.560 --> 1:34:35.519 You're saying that for now there is a limit, And 1:34:35.680 --> 1:34:39.000 what it is is people are eating the cost inasmuch 1:34:39.040 --> 1:34:42.080 as they can. At some point, there's a limit because 1:34:43.160 --> 1:34:46.160 there are people who weigh like Apple's apop Max. I 1:34:46.200 --> 1:34:48.439 don't really think that that's like a regular person thing 1:34:48.560 --> 1:34:50.400 is like five hundred bucks, but those half ram in them. 1:34:50.520 --> 1:34:53.240 Modern headphones half ram inem Like, there are headphones that 1:34:53.280 --> 1:34:56.080 have RAM in them. Even cheap laptops have ram in them. 1:34:56.360 --> 1:35:00.320 Everything has ram in it. So yes, the cost of 1:35:00.360 --> 1:35:02.280 everything already went up and never came down. 1:35:02.600 --> 1:35:05.559 There is a point when people would just stop buying 1:35:05.640 --> 1:35:07.200 new electronics at all. 1:35:07.479 --> 1:35:10.280 And I have a thesis. Okay, so there's a point 1:35:10.280 --> 1:35:12.160 where people will stop by new electronics at all, and 1:35:12.240 --> 1:35:15.519 then there is some further point at which people will 1:35:16.280 --> 1:35:20.799 draw a line at inflationary prices overall, whether it's an electronic, 1:35:20.880 --> 1:35:24.520 whether it's in whatever. Because I'm sure that RAM shortages 1:35:24.560 --> 1:35:27.000 are going to affect things that don't have RAM in it, 1:35:27.120 --> 1:35:29.479 because the things that are used to ship those things 1:35:29.560 --> 1:35:30.120 have RAM in it. 1:35:30.200 --> 1:35:30.360 You know. 1:35:30.439 --> 1:35:33.479 It's like I right, I can imagine that this impacts 1:35:33.479 --> 1:35:37.240 price overall. And what we have seen in trend lines 1:35:37.360 --> 1:35:39.240 is that once prices go up, they stay up, they 1:35:39.240 --> 1:35:40.840 don't come back down for the most part. 1:35:41.600 --> 1:35:44.559 So yeah, that might actually not happen with RAM, I think, 1:35:44.600 --> 1:35:48.240 because if they My real crazy scenario and no one 1:35:48.280 --> 1:35:51.200 wants to think about, is AMD and video buying all 1:35:51.240 --> 1:35:53.040 this RAM what funck. They deal with it when no 1:35:53.080 --> 1:35:55.599 one wants to buy their bullshit anymore, All of these 1:35:55.640 --> 1:35:59.160 companies that have built massive allocations RAM won't have any usage. 1:35:59.200 --> 1:36:03.000 Yeah, but other like consumer goods, I think once those 1:36:03.080 --> 1:36:03.760 prices go up. 1:36:03.720 --> 1:36:05.320 There this thing is if no one's buying them, they 1:36:05.360 --> 1:36:07.679 will have to because what we're talking about here isn't 1:36:07.800 --> 1:36:10.360 just like the top crust, it's everything. 1:36:10.439 --> 1:36:12.880 But so far people are still buying them. As we 1:36:13.120 --> 1:36:15.880 often people are tightening belts. But I think a lot 1:36:15.960 --> 1:36:20.200 of people are just spending way more money than they 1:36:20.320 --> 1:36:25.320 would have been and not saving and like because because. 1:36:25.120 --> 1:36:28.599 You're living paycheck to paycheck with no safety net, right, 1:36:28.760 --> 1:36:29.880 But I. 1:36:29.960 --> 1:36:33.879 Think a lot of people are paying the higher prices 1:36:34.240 --> 1:36:36.360 rather than not buying the items there. 1:36:36.280 --> 1:36:39.280 Are, Yeah to a certain agree like sometimes you need it, 1:36:39.360 --> 1:36:41.800 sometimes you need it. I do think we get to 1:36:41.960 --> 1:36:44.400 look at this culturally too, because people don't just sit 1:36:44.479 --> 1:36:47.160 down and read business news and make logical business decisions 1:36:47.200 --> 1:36:50.040 as economists think. We do think we respond to culture. 1:36:50.120 --> 1:36:52.680 We respond to like that's how things are reacting. And 1:36:52.760 --> 1:36:56.000 I think it is interesting that the youngs, the gen 1:36:56.120 --> 1:37:00.519 zs and all are looking back to pre smart phone culture, 1:37:00.560 --> 1:37:03.519 pre social media and how prevalent is this. I mean, 1:37:03.640 --> 1:37:07.160 it's just like they grew up watching reruns of the Office, right, 1:37:07.320 --> 1:37:09.040 And then there's a lot of things about this they're 1:37:09.120 --> 1:37:12.120 theorizing is that this is a world they probably will 1:37:12.200 --> 1:37:16.040 never actually see, just like having a simple office job. 1:37:16.120 --> 1:37:18.559 That's like that. And there's a lot of like looking 1:37:18.640 --> 1:37:21.640 back towards retro stuff. I think culturally we will. We 1:37:21.800 --> 1:37:23.880 may regress a little. It's like going back to the 1:37:23.960 --> 1:37:26.360 old video cars, but like you regress back to Okay, 1:37:27.560 --> 1:37:29.519 we gave too much of our lives to social media. 1:37:29.560 --> 1:37:30.680 We will just take a step back back. 1:37:30.800 --> 1:37:33.519 Okay. So this is I was thinking about this on 1:37:33.560 --> 1:37:35.479 the plane to cees as I was like sort of 1:37:35.560 --> 1:37:37.800 collating some of my thoughts about tech and AI and stuff. 1:37:38.160 --> 1:37:41.920 And I actually think I lay much more of the 1:37:42.040 --> 1:37:46.559 sin at the feet of the constant entertainment feed, oh 1:37:46.960 --> 1:37:50.760 than I do at the feed of AI. I think 1:37:50.920 --> 1:37:55.400 that social media and the constant input of entertainment has 1:37:55.640 --> 1:38:01.240 numbed us and has has uh reduced us people's interest 1:38:01.520 --> 1:38:08.639 in making statements or engaging with societal ills. Yeah, by 1:38:10.120 --> 1:38:13.439 you know, orders of magnitude. And so I actually, to me, 1:38:13.560 --> 1:38:16.640 I'm sort of like, yeah, AI is whatever bullshit it is, 1:38:17.000 --> 1:38:19.400 But I actually think that the core of the social 1:38:19.479 --> 1:38:22.840 ills is the constant drip feed of entertainment that just 1:38:22.960 --> 1:38:24.800 turns your brain, that just dulls you to. 1:38:24.880 --> 1:38:26.600 And a lot of people are trying to take a 1:38:26.680 --> 1:38:29.080 step back from this information over load, and I think 1:38:29.560 --> 1:38:30.840 we will probably see more. 1:38:31.280 --> 1:38:32.880 I think we will see more of that. But so 1:38:33.040 --> 1:38:35.240 my thesis winds up being that I think the breaking 1:38:35.400 --> 1:38:40.280 point for people, for people living in this inflationary environment, 1:38:40.920 --> 1:38:44.719 I think that breaking point will be a lot higher 1:38:45.360 --> 1:38:47.479 than it would be without social media. I think the 1:38:47.560 --> 1:38:50.479 breaking point will take a lot longer than it would 1:38:50.520 --> 1:38:54.080 be without. It feels bad, but you can just pick 1:38:54.160 --> 1:38:56.880 something up and scroll through things that make your brain 1:38:56.960 --> 1:38:57.639 go big. 1:38:57.840 --> 1:38:59.320 So I agree. 1:39:00.280 --> 1:39:03.960 My thing is is they forced AI into every social 1:39:04.080 --> 1:39:06.920 networking app too. AI is everywhere, It's in your ear. 1:39:07.080 --> 1:39:09.080 I realize I'm doing my same bit I always do. 1:39:09.280 --> 1:39:12.880 But it's like when that disappears, gets weird, it kind 1:39:12.920 --> 1:39:15.720 of comes obvious it was bullshit that will filter into 1:39:15.720 --> 1:39:17.960 the feature kind of already seeing it, You're seeing you're 1:39:17.960 --> 1:39:19.679 seeing random people being anti AI. 1:39:19.880 --> 1:39:21.559 Now people I never. 1:39:21.479 --> 1:39:24.559 Talked about it, but two separate things, but it creates 1:39:24.640 --> 1:39:26.960 the kind of chaos that makes people be like, wait, 1:39:27.080 --> 1:39:28.920 why do I need new fucking up to want? Just 1:39:28.960 --> 1:39:31.479 go on e Bay and buy an hpoman from four 1:39:31.560 --> 1:39:35.400 years ago? I just buy an iPhone sixteen instead when 1:39:35.439 --> 1:39:38.560 I have or like what you have is fine, Like 1:39:38.680 --> 1:39:41.880 this iPad is over a year old and I will 1:39:41.880 --> 1:39:43.800 probably use it for another three years or more. 1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:45.760 I don't know what they could possibly do. 1:39:45.920 --> 1:39:49.120 iPad pro, by the way, a stunning example of a product. 1:39:49.800 --> 1:39:52.720 Apple spent years being like why does this exist? A 1:39:52.960 --> 1:39:55.960 super powerful iPad? Who will spend the money of a 1:39:56.080 --> 1:39:59.640 laptop to just get an iPad? And they spent so 1:39:59.760 --> 1:40:01.720 long figure out not what to do, like they had 1:40:01.760 --> 1:40:04.160 no idea what to do with anything. That's endemic of 1:40:04.280 --> 1:40:06.639 like another issue like them trying to push into bigger 1:40:06.680 --> 1:40:09.800 categories and more expensive products. But it's all kind of 1:40:09.840 --> 1:40:11.800 part of the same thing, like you got to push more, 1:40:12.040 --> 1:40:16.120 you need more the information overload. We were not We 1:40:16.200 --> 1:40:18.840 didn't evolve to processes must have much information. So I 1:40:18.880 --> 1:40:21.599 think that has had a cultural impact on our brains. 1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:26.280 COVID has like rewired people completely. You would think it 1:40:26.320 --> 1:40:30.240 would push us to be more, you know, more supportive. 1:40:30.360 --> 1:40:32.840 Most of their socialisport like try to come together, and 1:40:32.920 --> 1:40:34.760 it just broke our brains in other ways. So it's 1:40:34.840 --> 1:40:35.880 just like, I don't know. 1:40:36.920 --> 1:40:39.280 But I think that the reason it broke people's brains 1:40:39.800 --> 1:40:44.400 was facilitated by the entertainment feed. And I want to 1:40:44.439 --> 1:40:47.479 differentiate that from a social media platform where you can 1:40:47.600 --> 1:40:49.559 go and you know, talk to your friends and family. 1:40:50.200 --> 1:40:52.519 Truly, to me, it is they all kind of ended 1:40:52.640 --> 1:40:53.599 up becoming entertainment. 1:40:53.720 --> 1:40:57.040 This is but it's why I'm specifically different why I 1:40:57.120 --> 1:41:01.559 am using the words entertainment because I think that how 1:41:01.600 --> 1:41:07.880 would you define that a constant flow of entertainment that 1:41:08.080 --> 1:41:11.679 is instantly and always excessed. 1:41:11.720 --> 1:41:14.320 And this is this video or this text involved in this? 1:41:14.479 --> 1:41:15.040 Or is this only? 1:41:15.280 --> 1:41:18.000 I think video is so much more poisonous than I 1:41:18.240 --> 1:41:21.639 ate text. But I will say I think text is uh. 1:41:22.520 --> 1:41:24.280 I think text does a very similar thing. 1:41:24.360 --> 1:41:26.800 No, but video is much easier to cycle through and 1:41:27.040 --> 1:41:28.759 consume a bunch of information. 1:41:28.880 --> 1:41:31.040 Fust It's not even it's not even just the cycle through. 1:41:31.520 --> 1:41:34.360 It's that like I open Instagram. I opened Instagram this 1:41:34.439 --> 1:41:36.680 morning to do a work thing, to like find a 1:41:36.720 --> 1:41:39.479 specific producer and look at who she follows and be like, 1:41:39.600 --> 1:41:41.439 do I know anybody who? She like it's like a 1:41:41.720 --> 1:41:45.200 it's a networking, it's a useful tool. And I opened 1:41:45.240 --> 1:41:49.080 it and it's some two hours later, truly, truly true. 1:41:49.360 --> 1:41:52.599 And it's because like I see in the little carousel, 1:41:52.760 --> 1:41:55.960 I see this little fifteen second like a girl being like, 1:41:56.320 --> 1:41:59.120 here's what my boyfriend expected on New Year's and then 1:41:59.160 --> 1:42:00.360 here's what he actually we got. 1:42:00.360 --> 1:42:03.120 And it's like a very funny going around and like looking. 1:42:03.200 --> 1:42:06.880 But my brain, my brain is like I see, I 1:42:07.000 --> 1:42:07.639 see things. 1:42:07.520 --> 1:42:10.360 Move, and that makes me like, I like, I'm so 1:42:10.520 --> 1:42:13.280 fucking glad. I'm autistic. I'm so fucking glad. 1:42:13.479 --> 1:42:13.920 I see that. 1:42:13.960 --> 1:42:15.519 I'm like, I got something else to do. I'm doing, 1:42:15.600 --> 1:42:17.719 I'm doing what I just it's so cool. 1:42:17.960 --> 1:42:18.760 I don't I see that. 1:42:18.840 --> 1:42:20.840 I'm like, yeah, trying to fuck this happened to me. 1:42:21.000 --> 1:42:23.439 I'm a like I'm a pig, but I'm not that 1:42:23.600 --> 1:42:24.080 kind of hog. 1:42:24.200 --> 1:42:24.800 Yeah, yea, yeah. 1:42:24.920 --> 1:42:27.000 Last night I was like I had hours free for 1:42:27.120 --> 1:42:28.599 for once, and see I was like I could watch 1:42:28.600 --> 1:42:30.720 a movie, I could do all this stuff. Sat down, 1:42:30.800 --> 1:42:32.280 started looking at TikTok and was like, you know what, 1:42:32.479 --> 1:42:34.680 this is comfy. This is nice. And also because my 1:42:34.800 --> 1:42:37.080 brain has been at like two hundred percent the entire 1:42:37.400 --> 1:42:38.960 so it just needs to like cool down. 1:42:39.439 --> 1:42:42.120 But it is such a crew with the like with 1:42:42.280 --> 1:42:45.960 like the brain. Then I'm gonna put on a movie 1:42:46.080 --> 1:42:47.640 and cool down in front of the movie, which is 1:42:47.720 --> 1:42:48.720 one bigger Yeah. 1:42:49.520 --> 1:42:52.920 And I think the the pressure is just increasing on 1:42:53.120 --> 1:42:56.679 people and will eventually pop. And I think the pressure 1:42:56.760 --> 1:42:58.160 is increasing from all sides. 1:42:58.640 --> 1:43:00.719 I just think it's going to take a lot longer 1:43:01.560 --> 1:43:04.320 now than it would have with the technology we have. 1:43:04.840 --> 1:43:05.519 I will say that. 1:43:07.160 --> 1:43:10.200 The problem is the first of all, the real world 1:43:10.320 --> 1:43:12.760 was never meant to connect with finance this much. Most 1:43:12.840 --> 1:43:15.439 people were never meant to know what hb RAM was. 1:43:15.840 --> 1:43:17.680 No one was meant to know what a GPU was. 1:43:18.200 --> 1:43:20.519 Seven years ago. If you told you are somewhat to 1:43:20.600 --> 1:43:23.680 GPU was, they would call the police, like they'd be like, 1:43:23.720 --> 1:43:25.640 why are you saying strange words to me? You're a 1:43:25.760 --> 1:43:30.960 witch and no offense to witches. But it's just now 1:43:31.040 --> 1:43:33.200 everyone's kind of aware of this and it's in their 1:43:33.280 --> 1:43:35.720 head and every Barston company is saying, AI, you must 1:43:35.760 --> 1:43:37.960 do a I know will. You are stupid, You are 1:43:38.000 --> 1:43:40.640 a pig and a moron. Banana no No, there's a 1:43:40.640 --> 1:43:42.120 great video of a comedian I don't remember. 1:43:42.120 --> 1:43:44.920 It's just try banana now now, and it's just like, 1:43:45.040 --> 1:43:46.640 that's all I think of what this stuff is just 1:43:46.720 --> 1:43:51.880 harassing people. I think you're right in the It's going 1:43:51.960 --> 1:43:53.679 to take a little longer because people are so addicted 1:43:53.680 --> 1:43:55.280 to feeds, and the feeds are so intense it just 1:43:55.360 --> 1:43:57.639 numbs them. But I think that there is a degree 1:43:57.680 --> 1:44:00.680 of harassment from the AI stuff. That means that when 1:44:00.800 --> 1:44:03.479 this starts, the burst, it's going to be like fucking 1:44:03.560 --> 1:44:05.960 Chorus Sun and Return of the Jedi. I think people 1:44:06.040 --> 1:44:08.439 are going to be fucking excited to see this burn. 1:44:08.600 --> 1:44:11.479 I think people are just so fucking angry, and the 1:44:11.720 --> 1:44:14.240 fucking price of all electronics going up at a time 1:44:14.320 --> 1:44:17.080 when we're most the angriest we've ever been at the computer. 1:44:17.760 --> 1:44:20.719 I'm not saying I don't know the order of events, 1:44:21.360 --> 1:44:22.519 but I think this is I know this. 1:44:23.200 --> 1:44:24.920 The thing is, there's so much happening in the world, 1:44:25.000 --> 1:44:28.080 right Yeah, there's also the literal destruction of democracy right 1:44:28.120 --> 1:44:30.280 in front of us. Right there is war, we're being 1:44:30.360 --> 1:44:33.880 led by warmongers, and also the economy is collapsing. All 1:44:33.920 --> 1:44:37.040 this stuff is happening h I tend to look at 1:44:37.040 --> 1:44:39.280 like what what will be the broad societal ways, like 1:44:39.360 --> 1:44:41.240 we move through this and the only way is like 1:44:41.479 --> 1:44:43.360 we do have to like step away from the tech 1:44:43.360 --> 1:44:46.320 a little bit. Yeah, it's also like I don't know 1:44:46.520 --> 1:44:48.800 doing those social things that we didn't used to do, 1:44:49.600 --> 1:44:54.160 like we kind of stepped away from So I love libraries. Yeah, yeah, 1:44:54.600 --> 1:44:58.200 libraries are great libraries. Fucking we let the we let 1:44:59.120 --> 1:45:01.519 a lot of people really shit on libraries and could 1:45:01.560 --> 1:45:04.400 also strip away their resources and stuff. It is things 1:45:04.479 --> 1:45:07.040 like that where you see the rest of your community, 1:45:07.200 --> 1:45:09.880 you can help each other, you learn together. That's the 1:45:09.920 --> 1:45:11.920 sort of thing I want to support moving forward, and 1:45:12.400 --> 1:45:13.160 we need that. 1:45:13.400 --> 1:45:15.960 I will also say, like I said this yesterday on 1:45:15.960 --> 1:45:18.400 the episode, it's like I am a rare thing of 1:45:18.520 --> 1:45:21.160 like the internet has allowed me to become a person 1:45:21.320 --> 1:45:22.040 rather than maybe. 1:45:21.920 --> 1:45:25.280 Less just one. That's like I was a socially anxious kid, yeah, 1:45:25.320 --> 1:45:27.200 and technology and the internet did help me. 1:45:27.560 --> 1:45:30.320 Like so yeah, and the thing is you just I 1:45:30.400 --> 1:45:32.640 think there's just a level of intentionality where it's like 1:45:33.880 --> 1:45:36.120 the feeds don't work on me. I get deep anxiety 1:45:36.160 --> 1:45:37.920 when I have an infinite scroll, Like I have the 1:45:38.000 --> 1:45:40.080 opposite it has the opposite effect on me. I'm like, 1:45:40.240 --> 1:45:43.160 why won't this end? I can't watch anything everything. I 1:45:43.200 --> 1:45:45.519 don't want to look at it because it's it's worrying me. 1:45:45.720 --> 1:45:48.920 This is bothering, which is literally everyone else is different. 1:45:49.080 --> 1:45:52.479 It's so strange. But it's like, these tools also let 1:45:52.560 --> 1:45:54.919 me talk to everyone in this room in an instant. 1:45:55.240 --> 1:45:58.000 They let me put on an insane podcast for twenty 1:45:58.080 --> 1:46:01.080 hours in a week and nobody stopped me. But there 1:46:01.080 --> 1:46:03.800 are actual beautiful things that technology can do. And what's 1:46:03.840 --> 1:46:06.760 great is you could use the same technology from five 1:46:06.840 --> 1:46:08.960 fucking years ago. I'm not even saying put your phone 1:46:08.960 --> 1:46:11.120 down and burn it. I'm saying use what you've got now, 1:46:11.280 --> 1:46:14.120 or use what just happened. Computers, putting aside all the 1:46:14.120 --> 1:46:16.840 growth capitalism stuff, computers are fucking great right now. 1:46:17.000 --> 1:46:19.639 There's are great. People are going back to personal music players, 1:46:19.880 --> 1:46:21.680 just like a thing that plays music, you know what? 1:46:21.840 --> 1:46:24.559 That is beautiful. And the younger the kids right now, 1:46:24.680 --> 1:46:26.840 the thing people are saying is like they don't know 1:46:26.840 --> 1:46:29.519 if they're trusting an image that's a I that's an 1:46:29.560 --> 1:46:33.080 inherent distrust in AI and calling it out as a 1:46:33.120 --> 1:46:35.680 cultural object. I think that's fascinating too. So we are 1:46:35.720 --> 1:46:37.360 seeing the signs that there is going to be some 1:46:37.520 --> 1:46:40.400 sort of like pushback. Don't I don't want there to 1:46:40.479 --> 1:46:43.320 be like the Battle Starcalactica thing, right, or the dude the. 1:46:45.880 --> 1:46:47.240 Edge you get. 1:46:48.840 --> 1:46:51.040 It's just we're gonna get just a guy who just like. 1:46:53.479 --> 1:46:53.640 You know. 1:46:53.880 --> 1:46:55.240 No, it's like, we don't have to go all the way. 1:46:55.479 --> 1:46:58.000 It's the tweet where the guy's like, what's the highest 1:46:58.080 --> 1:47:03.720 number one million? It's but at the same time, my pushback. Sorry, 1:47:03.840 --> 1:47:05.600 this is not a pushback. I'm agreeing with everything, but 1:47:05.680 --> 1:47:07.080 it's the way through this. 1:47:07.360 --> 1:47:09.719 Is to just be a little bit more fucking intentional 1:47:09.800 --> 1:47:10.000 with it. 1:47:10.360 --> 1:47:12.960 I know it's don't look at this. You're gonna look 1:47:12.960 --> 1:47:15.360 at it. Don't hate yourself, but be aware that something's 1:47:15.400 --> 1:47:17.960 being done to you with it. And also remember you 1:47:18.080 --> 1:47:20.439 can call any of your friends using these things. You 1:47:20.479 --> 1:47:22.400 can talk to any of your friends if you're feeling 1:47:22.479 --> 1:47:24.519 lonely and said you signal. 1:47:25.400 --> 1:47:29.080 They brought the landline back. One of the interesting products 1:47:29.240 --> 1:47:32.240 of like that was in the holiday season. I think 1:47:32.280 --> 1:47:34.720 it's more like uppity rich parents are doing this, but 1:47:34.800 --> 1:47:37.600 they're like, there's a startup that made handset and you 1:47:37.680 --> 1:47:40.200 can program like your friends to it. So your kids friends, 1:47:40.560 --> 1:47:43.120 it's a handset, they pick it up, they dial their friends. 1:47:43.200 --> 1:47:43.400 Court. 1:47:43.880 --> 1:47:45.479 I think there is a court. I think I think 1:47:45.520 --> 1:47:47.839 there may be a court. It's a handset. 1:47:47.920 --> 1:47:49.519 It's those phone numbers memorize. 1:47:49.600 --> 1:47:52.439 Yeah, it's more like these are your trusted contacts. That's 1:47:52.439 --> 1:47:54.960 all this thing can call. It's back to the days 1:47:55.000 --> 1:47:55.640 where we were just like. 1:47:55.680 --> 1:47:56.800 Get plugged into your wall. 1:47:56.960 --> 1:48:01.759 Or is it? Because you can quite cynical about cs 1:48:01.880 --> 1:48:04.639 and my god, have we got another two hours today 1:48:04.680 --> 1:48:06.800 and four hours tomorrow and one hour on Saturday, so 1:48:06.920 --> 1:48:09.280 we will be there's also a degree of like, as 1:48:09.360 --> 1:48:11.439 much as we complain, I've got to hang out with 1:48:11.520 --> 1:48:16.519 my friends all we and I got to do it, 1:48:16.640 --> 1:48:18.840 and I got to record using a weird road cast to. 1:48:18.880 --> 1:48:21.200 Pro too of the best thing. It's amazing and we 1:48:21.240 --> 1:48:23.799 can record the audio. I have one for Mattasowski producing 1:48:23.920 --> 1:48:24.519 a beat on that. 1:48:24.640 --> 1:48:25.519 It looks like a. 1:48:27.120 --> 1:48:29.000 Soundboard as well. You can do all sorts of noises. 1:48:29.320 --> 1:48:31.320 But it's like you can do really cool shit with 1:48:31.360 --> 1:48:33.519 the computer now and you can talk to your friends 1:48:33.560 --> 1:48:36.160 with it. It's but the reason that things are shit 1:48:36.400 --> 1:48:39.360 is the people that are making the interfaces, the social 1:48:39.400 --> 1:48:43.879 interfaces are getting in the way. Understanding that and starting 1:48:44.000 --> 1:48:47.360 from that position is what makes things better for you. 1:48:47.760 --> 1:48:50.360 They're not gonna make it better for you. They're fucking assholes. 1:48:50.400 --> 1:48:54.080 Mark Zuckerberg is overseeing a fraudulent operation. Ten percent of 1:48:54.080 --> 1:48:56.160 their revenue in twenty twenty four for Meta was from 1:48:56.240 --> 1:48:58.560 scams and fraud. That is a fucking reported thing. For 1:48:58.760 --> 1:49:01.799 Jeff Horwitz of Reuters, like that should tell you everything. 1:49:02.240 --> 1:49:04.639 It does not mean that the computer is inherently bad. 1:49:04.720 --> 1:49:06.880 What they've done to the computer is bad, and what 1:49:06.960 --> 1:49:08.360 we can do with the computer is the solution. 1:49:08.560 --> 1:49:09.759 In the you can pull. 1:49:09.640 --> 1:49:12.679 Together a bunch of people just using text an email. 1:49:12.840 --> 1:49:15.120 I fucking just did it this week. There are great 1:49:15.160 --> 1:49:17.559 things you can do it text text, text, go meet 1:49:17.560 --> 1:49:20.080 in real life. You can take fucking photos on your phone. 1:49:20.320 --> 1:49:22.400 Awesome. There are still good things to be done. I 1:49:22.479 --> 1:49:25.040 know this is so hokey, but I think it's hot. 1:49:25.280 --> 1:49:25.960 It's a good point. 1:49:26.439 --> 1:49:29.840 It's not about being completely anti tech. It's about it's. 1:49:29.720 --> 1:49:32.760 About being anti tech industry at the moment because it's 1:49:32.800 --> 1:49:35.560 like we like Pebble because Pebble's like, what if a 1:49:35.640 --> 1:49:39.160 device had a use case, and anyone's like, fuck this shit, 1:49:39.760 --> 1:49:41.479 what do you mean you won't grow by twenty two 1:49:41.520 --> 1:49:43.320 percent year of a year, every quarter, you piece of 1:49:43.560 --> 1:49:47.000 except these private doesn't matter and it's just by years 1:49:47.040 --> 1:49:47.439 at the moment. 1:49:47.479 --> 1:49:49.760 That's my big that's actually my better off line twenty 1:49:49.800 --> 1:49:53.639 twenty by verb by reefer By. 1:49:53.720 --> 1:49:57.559 You don't give these fucking companies another fucking dollar until 1:49:57.600 --> 1:49:59.680 they can prove that they can earn it, because that 1:49:59.880 --> 1:50:02.200 is the real problem. They want to grow forever. You 1:50:02.240 --> 1:50:04.120 want to grow forever and make useful shit. But the 1:50:04.200 --> 1:50:07.200 actual internals of the computer. I also will address something 1:50:07.240 --> 1:50:09.479 that people ema my occasionally, which is, oh, the computer 1:50:09.560 --> 1:50:11.880 industry used to be good whatever. I don't know if 1:50:11.880 --> 1:50:13.160 it used to be good, but it used to be bow. 1:50:13.920 --> 1:50:15.719 But there were beautiful things in the computer. 1:50:16.040 --> 1:50:16.240 Yeah. 1:50:16.320 --> 1:50:18.120 Part of how we got here is that we didn't 1:50:18.200 --> 1:50:22.040 ask cultural questions right. We didn't push back against certain elements. 1:50:22.120 --> 1:50:24.680 Like I was there when social media was just starting out. 1:50:24.800 --> 1:50:26.799 It was like, oh, yeah, look at this feed of information. 1:50:27.120 --> 1:50:28.200 It was so cool. 1:50:28.320 --> 1:50:30.760 But it was also we knew Mark Zuckerberg was a 1:50:30.800 --> 1:50:34.320 piece of shit from the beginning, but most there did not. 1:50:34.600 --> 1:50:36.720 Most people did not, but there were enough stories about oh, 1:50:36.760 --> 1:50:38.439 look at this kid who dropped out of Harvard and 1:50:38.560 --> 1:50:39.960 like did this thing, but there were stories about what 1:50:40.040 --> 1:50:42.800 he did before, how like the shitty sexist, like proto 1:50:42.880 --> 1:50:46.160 social network he made who he was. Like, those stories 1:50:46.200 --> 1:50:49.200 were out there, and I watched this kid who didn't 1:50:49.200 --> 1:50:52.160 finish college but also had no real awareness of the 1:50:52.200 --> 1:50:55.559 world be propped up by vcs in the entire industry 1:50:55.600 --> 1:50:57.960 as some sort of like boy king. And what he 1:50:58.080 --> 1:51:01.080 did was create a thing that just generated money, right, 1:51:01.160 --> 1:51:04.920 And that the entire point of Facebook two thousand, you know, 1:51:05.200 --> 1:51:07.720 late two thousands to twenty tens, was just as much 1:51:07.760 --> 1:51:08.839 engagement as possible. 1:51:09.080 --> 1:51:09.280 It was. 1:51:09.560 --> 1:51:12.000 It was just that farming. And then everybody copied that, 1:51:12.400 --> 1:51:15.040 and that broke us because they didn't want to create 1:51:15.080 --> 1:51:17.920 something good. They just wanted to create something that addicted us. 1:51:18.080 --> 1:51:18.920 It's like cigarettes. 1:51:19.400 --> 1:51:22.320 It's that and the scourge of neoliberalism and the idea 1:51:22.439 --> 1:51:26.040 that everything everything, that the market is dominant. The market 1:51:26.080 --> 1:51:30.400 would never incentivize something bad. Again, Yeah, everyone took a lack. 1:51:30.280 --> 1:51:32.559 Of regulations in the twenty tens that that didn't help. 1:51:32.640 --> 1:51:34.920 You talk about killing baby Hitler, that's great. I think 1:51:35.000 --> 1:51:37.120 baby Milton Freeman and baby we're on a bag and 1:51:37.439 --> 1:51:40.320 put them on the top of the pile. We got 1:51:40.360 --> 1:51:43.840 all sorts of babies, a lot of baby. No. 1:51:43.960 --> 1:51:46.760 But it's But the thing is, it's like the incentives 1:51:46.800 --> 1:51:48.400 of the problem and the only thing we can do 1:51:48.520 --> 1:51:51.479 is consumers, is don't stop using tech. You I think 1:51:51.520 --> 1:51:52.760 that that's an unrealistic thing. 1:51:52.800 --> 1:51:55.040 Like, Chloe, it's your luck, like you have to use tech, 1:51:55.120 --> 1:51:57.600 especially as a stand up you kind of I have 1:51:57.680 --> 1:51:58.439 to use social media. 1:51:58.720 --> 1:51:59.120 You have to. 1:51:59.240 --> 1:52:01.360 There's just no other way around it. Don't buy a 1:52:01.400 --> 1:52:03.840 new phone. I'm done buying new fucking ship. 1:52:04.280 --> 1:52:05.720 I'm I'm going there. 1:52:06.160 --> 1:52:07.479 You haven't seen how broken my phone? 1:52:07.920 --> 1:52:12.040 No but going go and buy Chloe, Chloe, go on, 1:52:12.120 --> 1:52:18.760 buy a research. I actually think, I actually think I 1:52:18.840 --> 1:52:21.360 am done buying new phones. I'm going to buy the 1:52:21.439 --> 1:52:23.280 referb forever. 1:52:23.560 --> 1:52:26.160 I buy my my parents refer buy phones every couple 1:52:26.160 --> 1:52:29.240 of years from Amazon. Perfect. Yep, it works great. They 1:52:29.600 --> 1:52:31.880 the hardware lasts and then they're still like. 1:52:32.520 --> 1:52:35.360 Ship, No new ship unless it's cool, unless it's fucking 1:52:35.439 --> 1:52:41.680 new and cool and good Foxy. Yes, it's like really though, 1:52:41.840 --> 1:52:44.240 if you can buy new by used, go on eBay, 1:52:44.360 --> 1:52:47.639 go on whatever, Go on Craigslist, like go and buy 1:52:47.760 --> 1:52:51.639 from a regular person, circulate that money in the real world, 1:52:52.000 --> 1:52:54.960 take it out of the fucking stock market cash cat. 1:52:55.320 --> 1:52:57.240 Okay, I'm going a lil insane, but it's like I 1:52:57.640 --> 1:52:59.599 stand by it because it's like all of the new 1:52:59.680 --> 1:53:00.680 price is it going to go up? 1:53:01.000 --> 1:53:02.880 Yeah? And when it comes to social media, I think 1:53:02.920 --> 1:53:05.280 we can be more intentional. Right, It's like, for the 1:53:05.360 --> 1:53:07.400 longest time, people are making arguments like, Okay, I'm gonna 1:53:07.400 --> 1:53:09.360 stay on X even though Elon Musk bought it and 1:53:09.400 --> 1:53:11.400 destroy Twitter. I'm gonna stand on the stand. Now it's 1:53:11.400 --> 1:53:13.599 a freaking sea sam generating garbage. 1:53:13.640 --> 1:53:13.920 Mae. 1:53:14.120 --> 1:53:16.040 It's like, I think we can start to make those 1:53:16.120 --> 1:53:18.680 moral choices where it's like, career wise, I would be 1:53:18.720 --> 1:53:21.680 better off staying on X probably, but you have to 1:53:21.760 --> 1:53:24.320 have some sort of like moral center, and I think 1:53:24.400 --> 1:53:26.559 where we need to ask more of that as ourselves 1:53:26.640 --> 1:53:28.479 right now. So yeah, get off of X. 1:53:28.600 --> 1:53:31.600 I'm honestly like, I want to stay on there for 1:53:31.680 --> 1:53:33.960 my fucking publisher and I might talk to them about it. Yeah, 1:53:33.960 --> 1:53:36.160 It's just like it's a horrifying pedo generator. 1:53:36.200 --> 1:53:37.960 You don't want to be there, and they're literally nobody's 1:53:38.000 --> 1:53:41.160 doing anything about the pornography and the sea sam being 1:53:41.200 --> 1:53:43.600 generated on it and that just exists. And they just 1:53:43.680 --> 1:53:46.600 got a bunch of new funding. They got rewarded for this. 1:53:46.680 --> 1:53:48.360 Well they did that so they could buy GPUs. 1:53:48.520 --> 1:53:48.640 Yes. 1:53:48.720 --> 1:53:51.040 Now, actually I want to end with a fun idea. 1:53:51.600 --> 1:53:53.479 Here's a fun idea that I think everyone's gonna love. 1:53:53.560 --> 1:53:56.679 So here is how Elon Musk ruins his life using AI. 1:53:57.080 --> 1:53:59.920 So Elon Musk is doing. They just raised twenty billion dollars. 1:54:00.120 --> 1:54:02.280 Most of that is going to go to GPUs AI. 1:54:02.240 --> 1:54:04.360 For groc And where did they raise that from? 1:54:04.439 --> 1:54:07.880 Vcs vcsh fuck? I forget, like who exactly why the 1:54:08.040 --> 1:54:11.400 venture capitalist is it? It's mostly vcs in debt and Nvidia. 1:54:11.960 --> 1:54:14.599 So they're doing that to build more data centers. They're 1:54:14.640 --> 1:54:16.840 losing over a billion dollars a month just on the 1:54:16.920 --> 1:54:19.120 current thing. They're going to build more data centers, which 1:54:19.120 --> 1:54:22.080 will lose them even more money. Elon masks money mostly 1:54:22.120 --> 1:54:24.559 comes from leverage, which means just borrowing on his current 1:54:24.640 --> 1:54:28.640 holdings what He's not particularly liquid, and he's added the 1:54:29.320 --> 1:54:33.600 most money losing thing ever to a social network which 1:54:33.640 --> 1:54:36.560 already loses money and a slash groc on Reddit. 1:54:36.720 --> 1:54:41.160 Everyone there should be redacted. It's mostly just people generating 1:54:41.360 --> 1:54:42.520 horrifying things of women. 1:54:43.120 --> 1:54:45.000 Here's the thing. Every time he does that, it's probably 1:54:45.000 --> 1:54:47.440 five to ten bucks. It's happening millions of times a day. 1:54:48.000 --> 1:54:50.839 This could actually lead AI could lead to the destruction 1:54:50.960 --> 1:54:52.920 of someone like that. And people say, oh, Elon Musk 1:54:52.920 --> 1:54:57.080 always finds more money. There are actual limits to Ed's point. 1:54:57.760 --> 1:54:59.000 There are actual limits. 1:54:59.040 --> 1:55:01.440 The thing I would say for people, Yes, he is 1:55:01.480 --> 1:55:02.760 still he is the world's richest. 1:55:02.840 --> 1:55:05.240 He's finding ways to do it because he's the richest 1:55:05.320 --> 1:55:07.920 man on paper. Yeah, and he got so much, like 1:55:07.960 --> 1:55:12.800 the Twitter deals thirteen billion dollars, there's fucking nothing compared 1:55:12.840 --> 1:55:15.240 to the bullshit data centers. I want everyone to just 1:55:15.640 --> 1:55:18.120 think about and laugh about the idea that this man 1:55:18.280 --> 1:55:21.560 is building big ass data centers to just under money. 1:55:21.600 --> 1:55:23.640 He keeps talking about Mars. Let him go to my 1:55:24.960 --> 1:55:28.160 to Mars. Let him be hoisted by his own Yeah. 1:55:28.160 --> 1:55:30.840 If you've read the beginning of Red Mars, you know 1:55:31.960 --> 1:55:34.080 it's totally great. There's some ideas there. 1:55:34.240 --> 1:55:34.440 Yeah. 1:55:35.400 --> 1:55:38.760 Then that first prologue about what might happen to Elon Musk. 1:55:39.800 --> 1:55:40.960 Yeah, that's so good. 1:55:41.400 --> 1:55:44.320 Yeah, it's and I realized that it's tough, and I 1:55:44.400 --> 1:55:45.680 know it's we come to the end of this block. 1:55:45.720 --> 1:55:48.440 I know we've been quite cynical. This is so hokey, 1:55:48.480 --> 1:55:50.720 and I do this every CS. The best thing you 1:55:50.800 --> 1:55:52.640 can do when you hear this stuff, when you're like 1:55:52.720 --> 1:55:55.720 I'm upset with this is love your friends harder. Telling 1:55:55.800 --> 1:55:57.680 me I love everyone in this room, genuinely, so happy 1:55:57.720 --> 1:56:00.400 to have everyone here. But it's like that that little 1:56:00.440 --> 1:56:03.800 thing that you think is so immaterial. We'll save lives, 1:56:03.840 --> 1:56:06.320 will make people's lives happier. Tell people you love their shit. 1:56:06.400 --> 1:56:08.880 Go online, use social media to say I think clubic 1:56:08.960 --> 1:56:11.480 you're insanely funny, and I've watched you only get funnyeh, Devendra. 1:56:11.520 --> 1:56:12.960 I've followed you work for like a decade. 1:56:13.240 --> 1:56:15.720 Edward and Graso Junior an insanely talented man, and I 1:56:15.800 --> 1:56:17.120 love reading your work and I love having you on 1:56:17.160 --> 1:56:19.200 the mic. These things are actually very easy to do 1:56:19.480 --> 1:56:23.120 and easier because of digital There is never go you're 1:56:23.120 --> 1:56:25.320 listening to this, go and fucking do that too. Literally, 1:56:25.440 --> 1:56:28.240 anyone you know, family member, friend creator, Tell them you 1:56:28.280 --> 1:56:31.280 love them, love their shit, and why. That is actually 1:56:31.400 --> 1:56:33.680 something that digital communication allows you to do today that 1:56:33.720 --> 1:56:36.880 will make the world better by used by used. Now, 1:56:37.160 --> 1:56:39.000 if you want a new thing, buy a used one, 1:56:39.360 --> 1:56:42.680 it's probably fine. That is the only way we begin 1:56:42.840 --> 1:56:45.880 fixing things. And these moral choices like Devendra mentioned. 1:56:45.840 --> 1:56:47.720 Or if I want to chat you bt rapper to 1:56:47.760 --> 1:56:49.640 tell me what color my shit is and if that 1:56:50.120 --> 1:56:52.960 is gonna be indicative of a health problem. 1:56:52.840 --> 1:56:54.920 You could just use Microsoft Copilot, which will be in 1:56:54.960 --> 1:56:55.920 a Windows laptop from a. 1:56:55.960 --> 1:57:01.000 Year Microsoft three sixty five. Could hear the laptop around 1:57:01.080 --> 1:57:04.520 and take a photo and then also at the same time, 1:57:04.560 --> 1:57:05.280 look at the chap. 1:57:07.800 --> 1:57:08.240 You got this. 1:57:08.920 --> 1:57:10.720 We're going to see some cool stuff like these with 1:57:10.800 --> 1:57:14.600 these local lll ms. We're gonna go back to punk tech, right, 1:57:14.640 --> 1:57:17.400 people building their own cool little minds make little cool 1:57:17.480 --> 1:57:20.160 things like We're going to be back there, their own 1:57:20.160 --> 1:57:22.880 little gadgets powered by punk tech. I want to see 1:57:22.920 --> 1:57:23.200 that more. 1:57:23.560 --> 1:57:26.160 And the thing is, I know it's fucking grim out there, 1:57:26.200 --> 1:57:29.280 and it really is. We are still One of the 1:57:29.360 --> 1:57:32.080 problems in society is we're hyper connected and full of technology. 1:57:32.720 --> 1:57:34.440 One of the cool things is we are as well, 1:57:35.080 --> 1:57:37.400 and there is a ton of tech that exists today 1:57:37.400 --> 1:57:39.040 that you don't need to worry about the future. 1:57:38.960 --> 1:57:41.120 That will do what you want to do. By us, 1:57:41.280 --> 1:57:43.000 I just tell your friends and family you love them, 1:57:43.040 --> 1:57:45.040 to creators, you love their work, share their ship. 1:57:45.040 --> 1:57:47.600 Give me a little compliments gift No I mentioned. 1:57:48.560 --> 1:57:51.120 Give friends little compliments that you can do that in seconds, 1:57:51.160 --> 1:57:52.480 that it doesn't matter where they are in the world, 1:57:52.520 --> 1:57:54.400 as long as they've gotten into that connection. It's so 1:57:54.680 --> 1:57:59.200 fucking hokey, but I think it's easy to miss. And 1:57:59.320 --> 1:58:01.520 I think like we come to an end. As we 1:58:01.640 --> 1:58:02.920 come to the end here, it has come to the 1:58:03.000 --> 1:58:05.280 end of this blog. It's worth saying that. And you 1:58:05.360 --> 1:58:07.480 know what, I only have one plug something Devendra. What 1:58:07.560 --> 1:58:08.800 are you working on the moment? What do you want 1:58:08.800 --> 1:58:09.360 people to read? 1:58:09.480 --> 1:58:11.520 And gadgets? Where where I'm doing this stuff? Check out 1:58:11.520 --> 1:58:13.880 our CS coverage. I also do a movie podcast, the 1:58:13.960 --> 1:58:16.480 Filmcast at the filmcast dot com. Can't wait to see 1:58:16.480 --> 1:58:18.640 your movie, Chloe, But maybe don't listen to my review. 1:58:18.680 --> 1:58:20.040 I don't know. I don't know. 1:58:20.480 --> 1:58:22.800 Edwin Greiser Junior, what you're excited about writing? What are 1:58:22.800 --> 1:58:23.560 you writing at the moment? 1:58:27.280 --> 1:58:31.160 Working on this very weird essay for for prim magazine? 1:58:31.400 --> 1:58:31.680 Tell me. 1:58:34.320 --> 1:58:38.000 It's uh, I mean yeah, it's I've pitched the same idea. 1:58:38.040 --> 1:58:39.200 You know, I supposed to do this. I pitched the 1:58:39.200 --> 1:58:41.320 same idea two places, but I know one is gonna 1:58:41.520 --> 1:58:43.400 one is gonna actually say yes, and the other one 1:58:44.080 --> 1:58:47.600 and it's uh. One of my favorite speeches is MLK 1:58:47.800 --> 1:58:51.680 is a Letter to Christians. It's from the perspective of 1:58:51.960 --> 1:58:55.200 Paul writing to American Christians and warning and kind of 1:58:55.280 --> 1:58:57.760 like sussing out the society they have in warning about it. 1:58:58.200 --> 1:59:00.160 But I wanted to invert it, so I wrote a 1:59:00.360 --> 1:59:04.000 letter from a future where fascist won, and it's a 1:59:04.400 --> 1:59:07.920 letter from the fascist who won to the fascist now 1:59:08.680 --> 1:59:11.640 as a way to reverse talk about stuff that's. 1:59:11.560 --> 1:59:12.080 Going on now. 1:59:12.760 --> 1:59:15.560 That sounds yeah, I don't. 1:59:15.600 --> 1:59:17.520 I don't like researching it. 1:59:17.600 --> 1:59:17.680 But. 1:59:19.240 --> 1:59:20.240 It's been interesting. 1:59:20.320 --> 1:59:22.960 It's a fun experiment. Yeah, so stuff like that. I've 1:59:22.960 --> 1:59:24.920 been trying to do a lot more fiction experiments because 1:59:24.920 --> 1:59:27.280 I've been doing more readings lately. So good, it's excited 1:59:27.320 --> 1:59:27.440 for that. 1:59:27.960 --> 1:59:29.960 Fucking great, Chloe, Why are you playing? Wait? 1:59:30.040 --> 1:59:30.200 Then? 1:59:30.520 --> 1:59:34.720 I'm doing Cincinnati this weekend the ninth and tenth or 1:59:34.760 --> 1:59:37.040 tenth and eleventh, whatever. The Friday Saturday is Lincoln be 1:59:37.120 --> 1:59:41.360 in the then Washington, d C. The next weekend MLK 1:59:41.520 --> 1:59:47.520 weekend Thursday, Friday Saturday, and then that following week Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. 1:59:47.680 --> 1:59:51.280 Not a weekend. I'm doing my solo show Cheat in Philadelphia. 1:59:52.280 --> 1:59:56.960 Come on out to that. After that Vermont for Collins. YadA, YadA, YadA, 1:59:57.600 --> 1:59:59.600 Road Fargo, and I. 1:59:59.680 --> 2:00:02.960 Have been putting a link to getting a permanent discount 2:00:03.000 --> 2:00:04.920 to my newsletter. And in these things I've not done 2:00:04.960 --> 2:00:07.560 my paid newsletter. 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