1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in The Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: our number two Tuesday edition. Encourage all of you go 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: subscribe to the podcast, appreciate wherever you are listening all 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: over this country, nearly five hundred affiliate stations, tens of 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: millions of podcasts downloads, one of the biggest audio networks 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: anywhere in the world, and we are happy to be 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: with you guys here today discussing so many different stories. 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: Right off the top, the Nashville Police Department has got 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: a press conference scheduled about nine minutes from now that 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: may and I stress may go into discussing the manifesto 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: and the particular motivations behind this deranged trans killer who 13 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: entered into a religious elementary school killed three kids nine 14 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: years old and three adults as well. All of that 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: we will con tinue to follow that. Maybe what they 16 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: are going to discuss in this press conference that starts 17 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: about nine minutes. We'll be rolling on it. We'll be 18 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: paying attention. But as we have continue to talk about 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: the bravery of the Nashville Police Department, and i'd encourage 20 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: all of you again, as we said in the first hour, 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: to make sure you go watch these videos that have 22 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: been released by the Nashville Police Department of the individual 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: police body cameras. Six minute clip to me in particular, 24 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: just takes you into the worldview literally of these police 25 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: officers as they are responding to an active school shooter situation, 26 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: all the way up through to be fair, the violent 27 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: ending where they take down this shooter. Encourage all of 28 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: you to go watch that. I think it is incredibly 29 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: important for great police work to be shared as widely 30 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: as police poor work, as potentially criminal work, or as 31 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: the cowardice that we saw and you've all day, I 32 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: think it's important to share this clinical takedown of this killer. 33 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: Now I mentioned that this is a trans killer. This 34 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: is a biological woman twenty eight years old who was 35 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: identifying as a man. And Buck, there are a couple 36 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: of messages that I screenshotted that I wanted to read 37 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: to you. This is a message that has now been 38 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: written about one of the final messages shared by this killer. 39 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: And I try, and I know you do too, Buck, 40 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: to avoid using the names of mass killers, because the 41 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: data reflects that the more you make these people famous 42 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: and share their names and their images widely. The more 43 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: likely they are to engage in these heinous behaviors, going 44 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: all the way back to Columbine when it started. So 45 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: this is a message from this killer and the post 46 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: reads as follows. So basically that post I made on 47 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: here about you that was basically a suicide note. I'm 48 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: planning to die today. This is not a joke. You'll 49 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: probably hear about me on the news after I die. 50 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: This is my last goodbye. I love you, see you 51 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: again in another life. Signed with the female name and 52 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: the male name underneath in a parenthetical, and the person responds, 53 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: you have so much more life to live. I pray 54 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: God keeps and covers you. And the response is I know, 55 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: but I don't want to live. I'm so sorry. I'm 56 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: not trying to upset you or get attention. This is chilling. 57 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: I just need to die. I wanted to tell you 58 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: first because you're the most beautiful person I've ever seen 59 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: and known all my life. My family doesn't know what 60 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: I'm about to do. One day this will make more sense. 61 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: I've left more than enough evidence behind, but something bad 62 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: is about to happen. Buck. This is incredibly chilling. And 63 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: again we may get official news of what this person 64 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: has left behind this manifesto. I don't think it was 65 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: a coincidence that a religious elementary school was targeted by 66 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: this transperson, and I do believe who committed this crime 67 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: is significant and a huge part of this story, because, 68 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: as you said, Buck, this is a domestic terror incident. 69 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: And on CNN last night we had mentioned this clip before. 70 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: There was immediately this effort to focus on certain things 71 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: and create a narrative of this event that would be 72 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: less ideologically troublesome for a lot of the Democrat viewers 73 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: in the CNN audience, because, as we know, when there's 74 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: an incident that can be in any way attributed to 75 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: the right, and this is a very it's a very 76 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: important phenomenon to understand, especially with regard to the media, 77 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: but it has enormous implications for politics. When someone does 78 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: something that can be attributed to the right, the media 79 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: not only amplify that, they focus on it, they amplify it, 80 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: and they attach meaning it's all about that thing that happened. 81 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: Usually it's you know, maga this like it's a white 82 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: guy who's somehow affiliated with Trump and that person and 83 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: even if it's very vaguely right, I mean the guy, 84 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: they think he's right wing, or it's traditionalist views, whatever 85 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: it may be. They'll then focus on it. They will 86 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: then go beyond just that focus to amplification, saying that 87 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: this is indicative of a much bigger trend than it is, 88 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: and then they'll attach other people to it. So your 89 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: rhetoric is responsible for this as well. This is the 90 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: media playbook whenever there is an incident that they can 91 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: create that narrative with right. So we all understand how 92 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: that goes. The effect happens when there's an incident, a 93 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: mass casualty incident, a domestic terror attack like this, where 94 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: the perpetrator and the ideology of the person and also 95 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: the specific mental health reality of the shooter is something 96 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: that the Democrat base and the left just doesn't want 97 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: to here, doesn't want to understand, explore, or know about 98 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: in any way it does not fit their preconceived narrative 99 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: about who we have to be cautious about and what 100 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: the realities of America are. And so this is CNN's 101 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: national security analyst, whom I know from my time at CNN, 102 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: and she's just a political hack masquerading as a national 103 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: security expert. Here she is saying that pronouns. You know what, 104 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: I'll just let her say at play three, I started think, now, like, 105 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: we don't own guns in this country. Guns own us 106 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: at this stage. And this is where we have to 107 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: now focus on an important part of an agenda, which 108 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: includes mental health, protecting our kids, fortifying schools, but also 109 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: the connectivity, which is a certain kind of gun. I 110 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, look, pronouns do not kill children, right, people 111 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: with guns kill children. And it's going to be a 112 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: distraction in our coverage and keep us from what we 113 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: now know, which is each of these cases has a 114 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: similarity of more than any difference. Okay, it's a distraction. 115 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: That's really the That's really the key word here. A distraction, 116 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: according to CNN's probably most cited or most you know, 117 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: most booked national security analyst to talk about the fact 118 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: that this was a transgender individual. Just no one's saying 119 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: pronouns kill anybody. That that's a that's a total That 120 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: is a distraction. That's a total um. You know, red 121 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: Herring has nothing to do with anything but the ideology 122 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: of this person. It's interesting that this comes at a 123 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,119 Speaker 1: time when you know, Tucker Carson just did last week 124 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: remember this on a show. There there's a trans or 125 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus and trans specific group that is taking up 126 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: arms and he did this whole segment on his show 127 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: because they're so scared about what people are you targeting them? Okay, Well, 128 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: is there a narrative that is being pushed by Democrats 129 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: that makes people who are trans think that they should 130 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: be more fearful than reality? Actually, you know indicates are 131 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: there parts of a discussion here naturally that should be 132 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: looked at, for why is it that this happened in 133 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: Colorado Springs? There are a number of other shootings as well, 134 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: involving trans individuals who are a tiny percentage of the population. 135 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: So when you start to link a few of these 136 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: mass shootings together, you say, what's going what's going on here? 137 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: And when you look at the rhetoric that the Democrats use, 138 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: Clay about how there is a quote genocide that is 139 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: a word that has been used by prominent Democrats or 140 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: a systematic erasure another term they use of trans people. Well, 141 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: how do they think that individuals are going to respond 142 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: to that? I also would point out, and I would 143 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: venture that this doesn't exist at all. Has this same 144 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: CNN commentator said that it's a distraction to focus on 145 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: whether a shooter is a Trump supporter. I bet there 146 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: is not audio of anybody who's ever gone on CNN saying, look, really, 147 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: the story is not who the shooter is, it's what 148 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: exactly is going on with guns. Right. If this school 149 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: shooter was a locked in loaded Donald Trump supporting January sixth, 150 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: protesting right wing zellot, it would be the number one 151 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: story in America. And I'm not kidding. I think that 152 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: Merritt Garland would already be on the ground in Nashville. Buck. 153 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: I'll just point this out. Remember a couple of years 154 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: ago when I went and spoke out against kids having 155 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: to wear masks in school, in particular my own kids, 156 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: at the local school board. Joe Biden's Department of Justice 157 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: opened an investigation into parents going to school boards and 158 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: arguing against their kids being forced to be masked because 159 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: they said that we were potential domestic terrorists. To all 160 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: of you, remember that, I bet there's a lot of 161 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: you out there who also went and spoke out at 162 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: your school boards as I did. Not. As the host 163 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show alongside of you, Buck, 164 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: but as just a dad who didn't want his own 165 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: kids to have to wear a mask in school because 166 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: it was worthless. The Biden administration, Merrick Garland opened an 167 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: investigation into the speakers of that at those school board meetings. 168 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: Did they open any investigations at all into this mask killer? 169 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: Have they done any sort of investigation into as you 170 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: mentioned out mentioned this idea of a transgender act of 171 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: violence to try to protect themselves. I think all of 172 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: that is part and parcel of the narrative overwhelming the facts, 173 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: because I hope Joe Biden comes to Nashville and try 174 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: to provide some condolences to the lost people who lost 175 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: the loved ones, assuming those people would prefer that he'd 176 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: be Here's maybe they don't, but certainly if this was 177 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: a Buffalo black majority supermarket shooting, they can't get there 178 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: fast enough. They can't blame the shooter fast enough for 179 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: his domestic terrorism they're running from now, they're being any 180 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: causation link at all to this person's background. Well, also, 181 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: we talk about when we try to have discussions, they're 182 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: the bad faith, entirely bad faith gun grabbers. Out there, 183 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: which is most Democrats, most Democrat politicians. But occasionally they'll 184 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: want to have a somewhat more serious conversation about stopping 185 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: violent crime that involves that involves a firearm. Right, Occasionally 186 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: that will happen, and you'll even have some Republicans that'll say, well, 187 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: let's talk about you know, red flag laws or let's 188 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: talk about things, and some Republicans will go along with that, 189 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of people that get very angry. 190 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: But and Lee, that's a that's an attempt, I think 191 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: to try to look at um realistic probe. For example, 192 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: we prohibit felons from having firearms. That's not a oh 193 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: what about the Second Amendment's well, if you're a convicted felon, 194 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: by the way, I think it should be fair to 195 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: say you should be a violent convicted felon. But if 196 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: you're a convicted felon, um, you know, there there's not 197 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: no one's pushing for Okay, if somebody's out on you know, 198 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: out of prison after serving a ten year sentence for 199 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: m robbery, they should be able to go out and 200 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: buy a pistol. Right that there's some understanding we have, 201 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: there's some agreement that we have. There are a lot 202 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: of gun laws already in place, which always gets left 203 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: out of the discussion tongues of too many of them. 204 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean here in Florida, I think it's 205 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: a five day waiting period. What we What does that 206 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: do for anybody? But anyway, there's a lot of a 207 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: lot of rules out there about all of this. If 208 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: we're looking at mental health them we're looking at mental 209 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: health as it pertains to firearms. You know, the this 210 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: is where people want to start to look at. Okay, 211 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: if somebody it used to be that if somebody came, 212 00:12:55,559 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: somebody approached um, you know, transgenderism, it was considered maybe 213 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: something that there should be mental health resources devoted to 214 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: helping somebody with. Right there seems to be no discussion 215 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: whatsoever right now of any kind about what we could 216 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: actually do that would be useful in this circumstance with 217 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: regard to they'll talk about mental health, but what does 218 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: that mean, Like how you know, but they won't even 219 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: really talk about mental health? Is it pertains to transgender people? Buck, 220 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: Because it's considered to be transphobic to suggest that anybody 221 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: who is transgender might have mental health issues when the 222 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: reality is a huge, monstrous percentage of people who decide 223 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 1: to cut off their genitals and or totally change their 224 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: gender have major mental health issues. That's not crazy. It's 225 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: not crazy. Most people don't make that choice. And we 226 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: can talk more about this because I think there's a 227 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: fear to even raise the question. Was this shooter on 228 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: medication that made her more violent? 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The Truth Compass pointing do right 257 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: every Day, The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show Welcome 258 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: Back Right Now. Breaking news. Nashville Police Chief John Drake 259 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: speaking about the mass shooting yesterday. The latest here he 260 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: is actual target. I can't confirm that at this time. 261 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: Talking about your body footage, do you feel like everyone 262 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: just about the fIF six symptoms who were killed. Where 263 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: exactly were they? Um? You know when they walk in 264 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: through the hallways with the shuth end and I also 265 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: um heard scrip that perhaps the out of the school 266 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: may have landed worth the shooter. It's very possible the 267 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: head of the school could have done that. I can't 268 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: confirm that one what other I do know? She was 269 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: in the hallway by herself. There was a confrontation. I'm 270 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: sure he can tell the way she was laying in 271 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: the hallway. There was the custodia and the African American 272 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: that she shot through the door to enter. She sprayed 273 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: rounds through the glass, striking him. You could see where 274 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: where he came to rest. As far as the others, 275 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: they were just spread out in different locations. I can't 276 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: say it was a confrontation, but they were met. She 277 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: met the head person in the hallway right here. Yeah, 278 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: thank you. Chief. You mentioned the guns, the multiple guns, 279 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: and that the shooter was under the caravan. Doctor, is 280 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: there any law in this state that would have allowed 281 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: police to take those guns away from this person hadn't 282 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: been reported? If it had been reported, that's not a 283 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: law for that. But had it been reported that she 284 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: was suicidal or that she was going to kill someone 285 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: and it had been made known to us, then we 286 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: would have tried to get those weapons. But as it stands, 287 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: we had absolutely uh no idea actually who this person was, 288 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: if she even existed. So she can you talk a 289 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: little bit about the time, So we know yesterday the 290 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: uh miss Hall was leaving out of the residence. She 291 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: had a red bag. They asked her what was in 292 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: the red bag and I think she just dismissed it 293 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: because it was a motherly thing and I didn't look 294 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: in the bag because at the time she didn't know 295 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: that her daughter had any weapons and didn't think any differently. Again, 296 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: they lost to Chow, so it's very traumatic for them. 297 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: So I'll thank you first. Could you talk about the part? 298 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: All right? We'll we'll continue to monitor this and bring 299 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: you the latest on this press conference. 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This is Chief Drake discussing 327 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: some aspects of this shooting right off the top of 328 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: his statement, just happened moments ago. Listen. We've interviewed the 329 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: parents of Audrey Hale, and we've determined that Audrey bought 330 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: seven firearms from five different local gun stars here legally. 331 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: They were legally purchased. Three of those weapons were used 332 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: yesterday done this horrific tragedy that happened. We know that 333 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: they felt that she had one weapon and that she 334 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: sold it. She was undercare doctor's care for an emotional disorder. 335 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: Law enforcement knew nothing about the treatment she was receiving, 336 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: but her parents felt that she should not own weapons. 337 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: They were under the impression that was when she sold 338 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: the one weapon that she did not own anymore. As 339 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: it turned out, she had been hiding several weapons within 340 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: the house. We also don't have a motive at this time. 341 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: We feel that the students that were targeted were randomly targeted. 342 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: There was not any particular student that they were that 343 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: she was looking for at the time. But the incident, Okay, Buck, 344 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: so there's a lot there. This is again the Nashville 345 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: Police Department. Seven firearms and she was under emotional care. 346 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,719 Speaker 1: This comes back to a question that I'm sorry, I'm 347 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: just gonna I'm just gonna put it out there. If 348 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: you have a child that is not psychologically well, I 349 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: don't understand how you could hide seven firearms in the 350 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: house she lived in with her parents. Buck, Like, the 351 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: parents knew she had one gun and she told them, 352 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: she sold it, and somehow she managed to go buy 353 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: seven more. Where does she get the money? What was 354 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: her job? And again I'm saying this as a parent 355 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: of three kids. Okay, I understand that kids can try 356 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: to hide things from you, But if you knew you 357 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: had an emotionally unwell child and you did not want 358 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: them to have weapons, how in the world are there 359 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: seven guns hidden in your own home that you don't 360 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: know about it. I mean, again, I'm speaking to this 361 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: as a parent. I find it inconceivable that any of 362 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: my kids could hide seven weapons, to say nothing of 363 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: where they would get the money to buy seven weapons 364 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: without me being aware of it. And if your child 365 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: has got psychological issues. The police didn't know. According to this, 366 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: she wouldn't have been able to get guns. Why would 367 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: you not notify the police if you knew that your 368 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: child had one gun was suicidal, shouldn't have it? Again, 369 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: this seems like a failure of parenting. Am I crazy? 370 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: You don't have kids yet, buck, But when when I 371 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: hear these things, it makes me furious as a parent, 372 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: because there are now three kids that are dead, and 373 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: there are three moms and dads and grandpas and grandpa's 374 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: out there that are not going to be going home 375 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: because these parents didn't weren't aware of their kid had 376 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: seven guns. This is also where I would want to know. 377 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: And I'm not a psychiatrist or a psychologist. I'm not 378 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: a practitioner at at a clinic dealing with mental health issues. 379 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: But we have, and it's just in the last really 380 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: the last five years, but particularly the last you know, 381 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: you could expand it, the last ten years, decided that 382 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: transgenderism is not a mental health issue that needs attention 383 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: and assistance, but is actually something to be celebrated, and 384 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: that this is the new civil rights struggle. That is 385 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: what we are told, that is the absolute mandate of 386 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party, of the left, of the media in 387 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: this country, and of the Commies very broadly. They demand 388 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 1: this of you, that you call somebody who's a man 389 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: a woman, somebody who's a woman a man, depending on 390 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: their emotional state, and you're not supposed to think there's 391 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: something wrong here. You're not allowed to that. That has 392 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: changed the American Psychiatric Association. You look at the different 393 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: you know, the DSM and the different manuals out there. 394 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: They have changed this very rapidly and very recently. And 395 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: so when you're talking about things like a red flag law, 396 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: when you're talking about mental health issues as it pertains 397 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: to who can get a firearm? Does somebody who is transgender, 398 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: that is that is no longer to be considered a 399 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: part of a mental health issue, that is not treated 400 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: as a mental was seeing somebody because she chose to, 401 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: I assume, and she wanted to talk about different mental 402 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: health I don't depression, anxiety, whatever it may be. But 403 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: the severity of the mental illness I think can be 404 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: harder for people to really understand or for people even 405 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: around it to really gauge. Because the transgender issue is 406 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: not to be taken as a sign of instability, of 407 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: emotional instability. It is treated as the affirmation of the 408 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: self and the affirmation of gender. Well, what does that 409 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: really mean? Like, how can we you know, if that's 410 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: if you're a practitioner, if you're a psychiatryt sit down 411 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: with somebody and they're saying, you know, I was born 412 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: a woman, I've been a woman for twenty years or 413 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: whatever it is this person's case, but now I think 414 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: that I'm a man. Oh and by the way, I'm having, 415 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, thoughts of violence, and oh, by the way 416 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm having you know, do you see what I'm saying, 417 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: Like like, yeah, I totally, I totally get it because 418 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: we're told and this is the question that I'm asking back. 419 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't even know how these different drugs 420 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: might interplay to make whatever psychosis she might have had worse. 421 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: Right in theory, if you're suddenly pumping somebody full of testosterone, 422 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: if she was, and simultaneously you're also giving them antidepressants 423 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: or all sorts of other mental health drugs, does that 424 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,959 Speaker 1: lead to more of a psychotic breakdown? I think that's 425 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: a legitimate question that we should be asking. If somebody 426 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: wanted to see a psychiatrist, and they said that they 427 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: have they're severely bipolar. They have severe bipolar disorder, let's say, 428 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: or a severe personality disorder of any kind. And then 429 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: they also added some I'm having some thoughts about either 430 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 1: self harm or harming others or whatever. There would be 431 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: this sense of the totality of the psychiatric damage and 432 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: risk and look, those people need help. People should go 433 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: see people. And but for you know, they were saying, 434 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: this was never relayed to law enforcement nobody. Well were 435 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: they able to see the issue clearly because one part 436 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: of the psychological dress that this person was under was 437 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: not to be treated as instability and a sign that 438 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: this person may be troubled. It's to be treated as 439 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: a celebration of identity. That is the new civil rights struggle. 440 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: And so how can a practitioner, in all honesty be 441 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: asked to make a real because if you see any psychiatrists, 442 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: they will tell you this, and they look, they make people. 443 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what they do. On the military side. 444 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: You come back from the CIA, you come back from overseas, 445 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: you're going to sit down with somebody and say, you know, 446 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: you saw some stuff, are you okay? So you know, 447 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: mental health treatment is physical health treatment. People should view 448 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: it as as two sides of the same coin. But 449 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: if you're asking people to be able to make threat 450 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: assessments like a psychiatrist at this point, I mean you 451 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: were talking about the parents, right, the parents obviously you know, 452 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know a lot of challenges here for them, 453 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: and you know, looks like they missed this. But this 454 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: is where I can't get pasted as a parent. And 455 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: I would say this to anybody out there. If you 456 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: leave your kid has serious psychological issues and you are 457 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: concerned about them doing harm to themselves or someone else, 458 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 1: and you are not checking regularly what they are spending 459 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: money on, whether they have weapons. I mean, we're not 460 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: talking about her having one gun, buck. She bought seven guns. 461 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: Seven guns are not cheap from five different firearms dealers, 462 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: and she hid them in the house and the parents 463 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: had no idea. So right, there's there's the parent component 464 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: of it, and I think you've you've spoken to that 465 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: that well. I just think also the police specifically mentioned well, 466 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: if we had been told she was under psychiatric care, 467 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: kenn a psychiatrist, here's one aspect psychiatrist even be honest 468 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: about what we're dealing with here and what the reality 469 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: of the mental health risks are of this person. Bottom line, 470 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: people died here. What happened. We have to be able 471 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: to be honest about this. If you're a psychiatrist, though, 472 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: and you get on the wrong side of this, you're 473 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: a transpoke, your license is gone, You're a bigot, You're 474 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: not to be talked to, You're a horrible human being. Oh, historically, 475 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: you're so right, buck, because I met Historically one of 476 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: the top signs of mental instability was the idea that 477 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: you're in the wrong body. Right in nineteen ninety four, 478 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: if you went to a psychiatrist and you said, well, 479 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 1: I'm a guy, but I actually feel like a girl, 480 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: that would not be a sign of you being incredibly 481 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: brave and proactive and courageous. It would be a sign 482 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: that your biochemistry may well be off. If I walked 483 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: into a psychiatrist's office and I said, Hi, I speak 484 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: to people who are not there. I speak to people 485 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: in the room who are not actually present in the room. 486 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: That is an objectively false reality that I am projecting. 487 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: And then if I said, on top of that, I 488 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: also want to seek out I'm gonna go buy some 489 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: firearms for whatever reason. Yeah, that psychiatrist would be highly 490 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: concerned and may inform law enforcement if I walk in 491 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: and say, I'm actually a woman, and by the way, 492 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to go buy some firearms for whatever. We 493 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: don't know, we haven't seen the manifesto, but I'm gonna 494 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: go buy some firearms. I don't know how the psychiatrist 495 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: feels about that, necessarily because well, I need to affirm 496 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: your gender. Fuck what if you just came in and said, Hey, 497 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't like my right arm. I want to chop 498 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: it off, and which is a real psychiatric condition for 499 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: anybody who's wondering. And also I am deeply disturbed and 500 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: I have seven guns. I'd be like, I don't know 501 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: that I want this person to have weapons. I believe 502 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: it's called body identity integrity disorder. And these are real question. 503 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: I mean, probably the only place you're gonna hear, almost 504 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: in all of America a conversation like this is here 505 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: because the idea that you would ever question anything about 506 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: a transgender person is considered to be so transphobic that 507 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: it's unacceptable to do. Well, there's six people dead. This 508 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: person was clearly mentally disturbed. I think figuring out how 509 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: this happened so we can hopefully not ever have it 510 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,719 Speaker 1: happen again is a big part of figuring out how 511 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,959 Speaker 1: to respond to this in general. Look, it's a challenge 512 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: right now everybody out there. You probably have car insurance, 513 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: probably have home insurance, health insurance, all sorts of things 514 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: take care of your family in case something bad happens 515 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: in that respect, do you have food insurance? Would you 516 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: ever believe you're going to go out to the grocery 517 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: store and not be able to find baby formula, not 518 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: be able to find toilet paper, not be able to 519 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: find your chosen products, to be able to buy on 520 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: the grocery shelves. 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More on the podcast Clay 536 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: and Buck podcast, Deep Dives, more contents, more common sense. 537 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: Find the guys on the iHeart app or wherever you 538 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Welcome back to Clay and Buck. Lines 539 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: are open two eight two two eight eighth two. We've 540 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: been going through the possible motives here, not yet confirmed 541 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: by law enforcement. But also remember motive is always something 542 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: that is open to analysis, at least generally speaking, open 543 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: to some degree of analysis. When there's a manifesto, it 544 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 1: tends to make it pretty clear. But even in those cases, 545 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: you've had individuals that on the outside analyzing will try 546 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: to push one or another version of why something happened. 547 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: You know, society pushed a person to do it, or 548 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: there was bad rhetoric from the other political side or 549 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. So we wanted to give you 550 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: our assessment of what we've seen so far. We also, 551 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: by the way, have our friends Tutor Dixon, who is 552 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: now on the clan Buck podcast network. She'll be joining 553 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: us here in the next hour. We'll ask her about 554 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: this and also we'll talk some politics. I want to 555 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: take this call. It's Catherine in California, works in the 556 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: healthcare industry, has some thoughts on psychiatric care to share, 557 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: given our conversation a few minutes ago. Thanks for calling in, Katherine. Hello, megadiddos. 558 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: I'm old school rash and megadddos, Yes, thank you anyway, 559 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: So I call on psychiatrists and one of the things 560 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: I've noticed they did a very good job prior to 561 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: COVID of threading like the virtual remote helping patients and 562 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: facilities and things. But two things. First of all, there's 563 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: no places for some of these people to go anymore. Unfortunately, 564 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan kind of spearheaded and I was a big 565 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: fan closing some of the mental institutions. But the virtual 566 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: aspect of this has become a huge component, and these 567 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: people are not being seen in the office. They are 568 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: being seen over videos on song calls, and I think 569 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: that there are very few practitioners I know several of 570 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: them that do a very good job of still treating 571 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: their patients. But I think that half of the most 572 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: of these people are not even being seen anymore. And 573 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: the psychiatric site is it's extremely well well. I do 574 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: know from just from New York City and you know, 575 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: the NYPD that would talk about the acronym was EDP 576 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: emotionally disturbed person, which are when you get calls that 577 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: you know someone is being crazy out in the streets, 578 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: you know, running around naked with a with a a 579 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: butcher knife or something. They call it an EEDP. And 580 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: I just remember from talking to some of the long 581 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: time officers, the health resources, the mental health resources in 582 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: large communities all across the country are really insufficient. Yeah, 583 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: really not what they should be. And I want to 584 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: be very clear, you know, I think people getting mental 585 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 1: health treatment is every bit as important and valid as 586 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: getting treatment for a broken leg. And I've I've felt 587 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: that way, you know, my entire adult life. Knowing what 588 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: I know, I mean, anybody who has spent time around 589 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: for example, and this usually puts it into context where 590 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: people Clay veterans with PTSD. Do they deserve the absolute support, 591 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, support, treatment, assistance and respect through all of that. 592 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: Of course they do, right, because they served our country 593 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: and many of them have brought back psychic wounds that 594 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: need to be healed, and it's incumbent upon us to 595 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: help them. Mental health treatment is critical for individuals. It's 596 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: not something it's not a you know, it's not just 597 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: for people that feel like, oh, you know, why aren't 598 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: I more successful? And they pay some guy four hundred 599 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: dollars an hour or whatever to sit there while they're 600 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: lying on a couch, and we don't have the resources 601 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: we need in a lot of these communities. I'd like 602 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: to hear from other parents because Bucket, I remember the 603 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: Buffalo shooting. I believe it was certainly back in the 604 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: day at Sandy Hook, the Yuval Day shooting. All of 605 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: these people were crazy, right, Let's be honest, they were crazy. 606 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: How in the world are parents relatives allowing these people 607 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: to get access to all in Wisconsin? Who wants to 608 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: address that right now? Rachel? In Wisconsin, you have some 609 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: thoughts on the parents involved here, go for it. Well, 610 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: the parents are kind of in the dark. Because of 611 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: the laws that are in some states. The law in Wisconsin, 612 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: states of fourteen year old child can determine their medical decisions. 613 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: So when I had a daughter's spire lean out of control, 614 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: I couldn't get medical treatment because they put it into 615 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: her hand. I actually had a kidnap my child out 616 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: of the state and move them to another state to 617 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: get medical treatment. So for a parent, it's very hard 618 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: sometimes thank you, thank you for the call. And certainly 619 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: that's an awful situation. Seven guns. How in the world 620 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,439 Speaker 1: could your kid who was getting mental health treatment, Well, 621 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: that the individual's twenty eight. I think they lived in 622 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: a house with the parents though, that's what I'm saying, 623 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: seven guns, that you're hiding inside of your the parents, 624 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,439 Speaker 1: inside of your own home. I mean, this is just 625 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: very strange. We need to have this manifesto release. Nashville 626 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: Police have done a fantastic job so far. Tutor Dickson next,