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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, am Bar Garcia,
Speaker 1: and Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, March second, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: Season seventeen, episode number one oh six. Welcome to the
Speaker 1: latest edition of The Break. We are alive from this
Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star, joined by Nick Eatman.
Speaker 1: We've got Amber Garcia. Dave is not with us today.
Speaker 1: He is out in Indianapolis covering the combine. He's going
Speaker 1: to join us here in a moment, catch us up
Speaker 1: on all the things that are happening out there, the
Speaker 1: people he's talking to, the information that he's getting. Uh.
Speaker 1: And just if you guys have any questions for him,
Speaker 1: you can kind of throw those at him too. I'll
Speaker 1: be good. We got to start the show. What, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't have any glass? Yeah, in case you guys
Speaker 1: haven't noticed, we got like no glass. It's actually a
Speaker 1: good thing. I love this, but we gotta start the show.
Speaker 1: We wishould go very happy birthday to my dude. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Happy birthday. Okay, man, pretty old, you're not old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all about to say story. Sure, it tells the story.
Speaker 1: So this seems old, but go ahead. Yeah. When I
Speaker 1: was thirteen years old, just a while ago. Um, I
Speaker 1: was thirteen and I've just moved from Oklahoma to Dallas.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, a little small town, Okhom,
Speaker 1: very rural, and then all of a sudden get here
Speaker 1: and it's like a little different, little preppy. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: you sed saw that. It didn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: friend I hate it, you know, want to move in
Speaker 1: your thirteen seventh grade. So it was like my fifth
Speaker 1: sixth day of school, March second comes around. I'm in
Speaker 1: the history class and the teacher was really nice, like
Speaker 1: I gotta gotta it's a very special birthday to day.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, thank awesome, because do y'all know
Speaker 1: whose birthday it is? And I was about to raise
Speaker 1: my hand. They're like, it's Texas's birthday. It's Texas Independence
Speaker 1: Day and everybody was like oh. I was like okay.
Speaker 1: So then they went through that, and then she goes,
Speaker 1: hold on, there is another birthday, another birthday, and I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, finally she's like doctor Seus's birthday is today,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I hate this class, I hate
Speaker 1: this world. I want to go back home. But I
Speaker 1: hate Texas. I hate Texas. I hate forever. So anyways,
Speaker 1: so those two birthday Happy birthday to doctor SEUs, yeah,
Speaker 1: and happy birthday to Texas. And it funny how you
Speaker 1: kind of know, like, you know, celebrities, you know, things
Speaker 1: like world Chamberlain scored one hundred points today. Really you
Speaker 1: probably saw it somewhere. Yeah, I put a hundred points
Speaker 1: in a game March second. Yeah. Yeah, you know you
Speaker 1: share birthday with like bon Jovi and things like that,
Speaker 1: do you. Yeah, that's what about you? What do you
Speaker 1: share through it? You know, like the celebrity I want
Speaker 1: to say, Denzel Washington, it's either the same day or
Speaker 1: like a day or two apart. But that's the only
Speaker 1: thing on what I know. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: think I've looked it up. No, but happy birthday too.
Speaker 1: It's a it's always a good right here right here
Speaker 1: day back there. There's something I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, hey, what does Indianapolis feel so far away?
Speaker 1: It's like reporting from Baghdad? Like, what's up? Man, That's
Speaker 1: just that's just the cherry picker driving down the street. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I got it. Happy birthday, Nick, Thanks Bud, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Mind so isolated here, you know, like you guys in December,
Speaker 1: and so we run back and back to Man, we're
Speaker 1: all together. It's like here here, here, here, Dave eating
Speaker 1: this half eating cake that we gave to Broadest. So Dave, Man,
Speaker 1: what's going on out there in Indianapolis. Give us an
Speaker 1: update on what what you're seeing, what you're hearing, what's
Speaker 1: going on. You know, it's kind of ironic because, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, the combine has started and it's picking up.
Speaker 1: But like I've been here since Monday, and the thing
Speaker 1: that people are here for, which is the drills, like
Speaker 1: that doesn't even start until the weekend because they want
Speaker 1: to maximize the TV viewership. So yeah, like people are
Speaker 1: talking and then all of the good combine whispers and everything.
Speaker 1: It's just funny to me that we're three days in
Speaker 1: and like nothing has actually happened. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the sideshow of the honnestly, the real reason you're here.
Speaker 1: Nobody actually cares about the drills. It's all about you know,
Speaker 1: contract negotiations and all that type of stuff, and that's
Speaker 1: going on in earnest We talked to Stephen Jones Monday.
Speaker 1: I still don't know when we're gonna talk to Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: but I actually I have another interview with Stephen set
Speaker 1: up in just a little bit. So all of the good,
Speaker 1: all of the good combine storylines of who might be
Speaker 1: getting a pay cut or who might they be targeting
Speaker 1: for an extension, all that fun stuff. So Dave, Dave
Speaker 1: and I have talked about this, like I think, I
Speaker 1: think the meeting is this afternoon, and then after that,
Speaker 1: like they got to get off the bus because then
Speaker 1: the agents are coming in. Wait, So the meeting with
Speaker 1: Jerry on the bus, no, no no, no, the meeting with
Speaker 1: Steven day. They're gonna meet with Steven and then after that,
Speaker 1: reportedly the agents are coming in to meet afterwards. So
Speaker 1: Dave's gonna go to the bathroom real quick and stay there.
Speaker 1: I stay there. Well, Jay ron Curses agent or Schultz's
Speaker 1: agent or Gregory's agent come in and meet on the bus.
Speaker 1: You got that phone charged up, Dave. Oh yeah, report
Speaker 1: all that. I got a solid I'm gonna hang out
Speaker 1: in the back and see what they'll let all right, Dave.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna put you on the spot a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I understand as a reporter you can't always talk
Speaker 1: about everything that you hear. But what has been the
Speaker 1: most interesting little tidbit you've heard this week? That that's
Speaker 1: safe for for air, safe for radio, that is, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's quite a contradiction, um man. So I feel
Speaker 1: like it's it's almost kind of beaten into the ground
Speaker 1: at this point. We've just we've talked so much amar
Speaker 1: and so much to Marcus Lawrence, I think, honestly, and
Speaker 1: I'll kind of I'll bail myself out because the funny
Speaker 1: thing is, like you hear it, you hear it a
Speaker 1: little bit of both ways. Like you know, we got
Speaker 1: here Monday, and again we've been talking about this for
Speaker 1: a month where it's like, oh man, they got some
Speaker 1: decisions to make. This could be a really hectic month,
Speaker 1: and and Stephen was very noncommittal about Amari Cooper's shooture
Speaker 1: on Monday. So you start connecting the dots and it's
Speaker 1: like a certainty that Amari Cooper is not going to
Speaker 1: be on the team. And then I was out, you know,
Speaker 1: doing the hobnobbing thing last night. You just never know
Speaker 1: who you're going to run into, and then you wind
Speaker 1: up having a conversation where it's like, you know, that's
Speaker 1: don't don't be too quick with that, Like, well, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happen. Yeah. Absolutely, But then the other side
Speaker 1: of it is like, oh, they you know, they're already
Speaker 1: they're already talking about using that money to bring back
Speaker 1: Schultz or a Gallup or whatever. Like it's it really
Speaker 1: is chaos, and the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 1: But I guess the most interesting thing I've heard is
Speaker 1: I've heard it all Like everybody's got a story that
Speaker 1: they're trying to sell depending on who you're talking to. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: all right, So you guys did talk to Steven and
Speaker 1: you talked to Mike McCarthy. What were you were out
Speaker 1: takes from that? What were the I guess the things
Speaker 1: that stood out to you from those conversations, from those
Speaker 1: interviews that we've all heard, what was most interesting to you.
Speaker 1: That's a man to be honest with. It's funny, like
Speaker 1: again like I was out late last night talking with
Speaker 1: Cowboys people, talking with NFL people. We did Steven, We've
Speaker 1: got another interview with Stephen that we've been prepping for.
Speaker 1: I completely like forgot. Not only did we get to
Speaker 1: talk to Mike yesterday, but he took us to lunch
Speaker 1: and again like most of the good stuff happened after
Speaker 1: they made us turn our records off. But always, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that when you get back. Yeah, no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but it's um. It was interesting. I thought I might
Speaker 1: talked a lot yesterday about UM about the offense, and
Speaker 1: I mean he did. He made the comment at the
Speaker 1: podium that he was or no, I think he said
Speaker 1: it at lunch. He was like, we've got to find
Speaker 1: a way to improve the most productive offense in the league,
Speaker 1: which is a nice problem to have. That's an interesting perspective.
Speaker 1: But he talked about wanting, you know, the walk around
Speaker 1: head coach. You're all about where you need to be,
Speaker 1: what you need to focus on, and he made it
Speaker 1: pretty clear he thought he needed to focus on on
Speaker 1: the offense. And at the same time, though I actually
Speaker 1: I asked him directly how he felt about the job
Speaker 1: that Kellen Moore's done. He was very complimentary of Kellen,
Speaker 1: but talked about I felt very smart for all four
Speaker 1: of us, honestly, because he talked about talk to me
Speaker 1: about a lot of the stuff that we've talked about
Speaker 1: in regard to Kellen, whether it's situational stuff, red zone stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, growing pains that any young offensive play caller has.
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting because I don't I don't
Speaker 1: think he shied away from some of the problems that
Speaker 1: the offense has had. Talked a lot about endencies, um,
Speaker 1: you know, being being sure not to give away your
Speaker 1: tendencies to too many people, are not to telegraph them
Speaker 1: too much. Um. So yeah, I thought that was a
Speaker 1: really interesting and it sounds like he wants that to
Speaker 1: be a focal point for his third year. Is not
Speaker 1: to like take play calling away from Kellen or revamp anything,
Speaker 1: but just to kind of maybe help him a little
Speaker 1: bit with the expertise that he does have as a
Speaker 1: play caller. Dave, I have a question for you going
Speaker 1: back to kind of switching the conversation to the combine.
Speaker 1: I know you you said that not a lot has
Speaker 1: happened yet, but usually, you know, you kind of tend
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on certain guys or wanting to
Speaker 1: look at certain guys. So as of right now, what
Speaker 1: would be like either a name or a position that
Speaker 1: And I know the Cowboys are kind of all over
Speaker 1: the board, so it's very hard to pick one. But
Speaker 1: at this moment, what would be a position that's kind
Speaker 1: of getting hot for the Cowboys. Well, the interesting thing
Speaker 1: for me is, I mean, like I always say this,
Speaker 1: there's like there's several storylines. There's the storyline when the
Speaker 1: season ends, there's the storyline at the combine when you're
Speaker 1: starting to revamp your roster, and then like when free
Speaker 1: agency gets going and the league gear starts, it completely
Speaker 1: changes again. And I bring that up because again, like
Speaker 1: what we were just talking about me right now, like
Speaker 1: there's there's like a small list of guys that I'm
Speaker 1: focused on, but I know it's completely going to change.
Speaker 1: Like we've talked a lot about Tyler Linderbaum is the
Speaker 1: center out of Iowa. Nikobe Dean is a linebacker out
Speaker 1: of Georgia. This team obviously needs help a linebacker next
Speaker 1: to Michael Parsons. But if all of this stuff pops
Speaker 1: off with Amari Cooper and or DeMarcus Lawrence, this is
Speaker 1: a super deep edge rushing edge rushing class. Obviously there's
Speaker 1: two guys at the top of it that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't have a shot at. But like a guy like
Speaker 1: George Carlostis out of Purdue is a guy that becomes
Speaker 1: very very interesting. If DeMarcus Lawrence isn't on this team,
Speaker 1: how about I joked with Nick about this the other
Speaker 1: day when we were talking about work stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: if a Maria Cooper is not on this team, Traylan
Speaker 1: Burke out of Arkansas, like he skyrockets to the top
Speaker 1: of my list of guys that I would love for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to draft. And that's the funny thing. Like
Speaker 1: two weeks from now, we could be hyper focused on
Speaker 1: wide receivers, of which there are a lot of good ones.
Speaker 1: Burke's is one. Chris Lave out of Ohio State actually
Speaker 1: just spoke to the media about an hour ago, really
Speaker 1: talented player who I think is going to perform very
Speaker 1: well in the drills this week. So I just I
Speaker 1: always love the way that that shifts is, like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're super focused on guards and centers and linebackers right now,
Speaker 1: but two weeks from now, it could be a completely
Speaker 1: different story. So edge rusher and wide receiver become a
Speaker 1: lot interesting, a lot more interesting to me depending on
Speaker 1: what happens with free agency. All right, Dave, I'm want
Speaker 1: to go back to the roster real quick. And so
Speaker 1: you say, like, I can foresee this conversation you had
Speaker 1: last night, like what everyone's saying, Amar, he's probably going
Speaker 1: to be cut, and then whoever another drink, whoever was
Speaker 1: sitting there like, oh, having some drinks, Like uh contrary,
Speaker 1: hold on, you know, like like that's what people do.
Speaker 1: I felt like Mike was doing that yesterday when Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard needs more carries or Amari Cooper didn't get open.
Speaker 1: And I felt like he was kind of defending that, like, well,
Speaker 1: that's just the narrative for you. I thought so too.
Speaker 1: I absolutely thought that was the case. Like he was
Speaker 1: just kind of like hold on, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah he was. Yeah. He basically was like, you know,
Speaker 1: what are other guys doing? Like are we doing enough
Speaker 1: to get get him featured? Are other guys doing enough
Speaker 1: to take the pressure off him? That's the way I
Speaker 1: took it. And here he was like, yeah, you have
Speaker 1: to have these types of football conversations before you can
Speaker 1: have a contract conversation because it all ties in. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, if he's if he's sitting in your cap
Speaker 1: for twenty millions. Yeah, that's what everybody focuses on. But okay,
Speaker 1: let's look at you know, how our teams playing him?
Speaker 1: How are we How are the other guys on this
Speaker 1: offense helping him? And he had a big thing about,
Speaker 1: you know, to win playoff games, to win games against
Speaker 1: really good teams deep in the postseason, like you need
Speaker 1: your your third, fourth, fifth perimeter player to step up.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I like, I was kind of side eyeing
Speaker 1: Mike while he was saying all this, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you don't sound like a guy that thinks Amari Cooper's
Speaker 1: abum um. So I don't know. Yeah, Like it's it's
Speaker 1: one of those things that it's it's like I said,
Speaker 1: like everybody's selling a narrative, and I like, I still
Speaker 1: I lean toward thinking something's going on with Amari, But
Speaker 1: who knows. Maybe they really haven't made up their minds. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's so honestly, it sounds like to me, across
Speaker 1: the boys, there's a lot of decisions have to be made,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure that anybody in this building where
Speaker 1: I guess the guys that are down in Indie really
Speaker 1: know exactly what they're gonna do with all of them.
Speaker 1: That's where the conversations are going to come in. What
Speaker 1: are they gonna hear when they talk to the different agents,
Speaker 1: and what are they gonna hear when they when they
Speaker 1: start thinking about who they can possibly get in the
Speaker 1: draft and who they think you'd be available to them
Speaker 1: that could possibly replace guys. There's a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that has to be decided. I don't think they know
Speaker 1: the answers right now, no, which that's kind of I
Speaker 1: love that you said that, Derek. I think it's like
Speaker 1: you read my story. That's I mean, that's what I
Speaker 1: wrote the other day. And Stephen kind of said that.
Speaker 1: He was like, you know, it's still pretty early and
Speaker 1: this is this is typically where you start talking to
Speaker 1: agents and start trying to lay the groundwork for what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. And that's all well and good, but
Speaker 1: you know, I blink. I feel like I blinked, and
Speaker 1: it was March. I mean the league years fifteen days
Speaker 1: away or fourteen days away. Now it's March second. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not even the first anymore, So you got two
Speaker 1: weeks to figure it out, or maybe maybe two and
Speaker 1: a half because Amari's salary doesn't become guaranteed until the
Speaker 1: fifth day of the league year. So I mean, you
Speaker 1: can stretch it out if you want to, but get
Speaker 1: you gotta it's time to start figuring this out. You don't.
Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of time. It's really not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Dave, real quick, give us a schedule. What's
Speaker 1: coming up here in the next I guess day or so?
Speaker 1: When when can we can Well, those of us that
Speaker 1: will be watching it on TV, do you know when
Speaker 1: those when the players are actually going to be on
Speaker 1: the field and doing the drills. That's the funny thing, man,
Speaker 1: to be I'll be very blunt with you. I have
Speaker 1: no clue because like that stuff, that stuff feels so secondary.
Speaker 1: First of all, like we're not allowed in we're not
Speaker 1: allowed in the building to watch it, and then they
Speaker 1: stretch it out to the weekend, which honestly is usually
Speaker 1: when reporters leave town. But I like, we have so
Speaker 1: much stuff coming. Like I said, I'll say it for
Speaker 1: the tenth time. We're meeting with Stephen in a little bit.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get a nice little exclusive with him talk
Speaker 1: about some draft talk about some free agency stuff. I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna have that on the site, and I
Speaker 1: think we're also going to have it on the Draft
Speaker 1: Show today. Well, we're supposed to record another episode of
Speaker 1: The Draft Show with Dame Brugler later this afternoon. Good stuff.
Speaker 1: I heard a rumor that Will McClay is actually gonna
Speaker 1: come and sit down on our set tomorrow, which would
Speaker 1: be amazing. He usually doesn't do that till after the draft,
Speaker 1: so for him to take the time to do that
Speaker 1: in the middle of the combine would be really great.
Speaker 1: And then there's the ingering Jerry Jones State of the
Speaker 1: Union is still to come too, So I mean, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have more content and I can even wrap my
Speaker 1: brain around here in the next like three or so days.
Speaker 1: So do me one favorite when you when you talk
Speaker 1: to Steven, I do have one question I'd love for
Speaker 1: you to ask him. I'm just interested to know, do
Speaker 1: they how comparable do they think Blake Jarwin is to
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz, Because I think there's a lot of talk
Speaker 1: about Dalton Schultz and what he provided for this offense.
Speaker 1: I'd be interested to know if they would even say it,
Speaker 1: how comparable they think those two players are. So ask
Speaker 1: him that. Hey, we're the only ones talking to him,
Speaker 1: so I can do that for you. Good, awesome, Let's
Speaker 1: do that, all right, Dave, appreciate you. Man you. We'll
Speaker 1: have you back at the studio with us next week.
Speaker 1: You have a safe trip and enjoy Indianapolis, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a break when we come back. We got
Speaker 1: lots of questions to talk about here. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: some free agency stuff we'll do. We'll come right back.
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Speaker 1: The Break Life in s WBC Mortgage Studios at the Star.
Speaker 1: We were just joined by Dave Helmont. He told us
Speaker 1: all about what he's hearing out there in Indianapolis. I'm
Speaker 1: sure Nick, you've had that experience. Is you know that
Speaker 1: part of the trip we talk about the trip we
Speaker 1: talk about it's the stuff that we get that may
Speaker 1: not necessarily be on camera, that might be just as
Speaker 1: good as the stuff that is on camera and those
Speaker 1: opportunities just to talk to different guys and get to
Speaker 1: know things that will help us down the roads. Certainly,
Speaker 1: it's fun and it's it's one of those head on
Speaker 1: the swivel type things because you never know where to
Speaker 1: go and and that's the difference. And I say this
Speaker 1: all the time. And one of the writers who's been
Speaker 1: doing this for years, he told me my very first
Speaker 1: year covering the team. He said, there's a difference between
Speaker 1: covering the team and covering the beat. And I didn't
Speaker 1: understand that at the time, and I certainly understand it now.
Speaker 1: You see people that show up at restaurants. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I go to this restaurant every year. Why because Jerry
Speaker 1: and Steven and Jerry Junior and whoever they'll be there.
Speaker 1: And then when they're there, then you talk to him
Speaker 1: and all that, and then you may sit there and
Speaker 1: who knows how the conversation goes. Yeah, this other place
Speaker 1: over here is a lot more fun. But this place
Speaker 1: is where you might have to talk to people. And
Speaker 1: other writers know it too, and you have to play defense.
Speaker 1: That's covering the beat, that is like, hey, I have
Speaker 1: to do this. I have to walk eighteen holes with
Speaker 1: Tony Romo for this golf tournament that he's not going
Speaker 1: to win, but we're gonna walk and we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: to him and all that for that one minute where
Speaker 1: you might get some stuff, right. Yeah, that's covering the beat, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and so that that's kind of what Dave's doing.
Speaker 1: And you know, not not that Dave doesn't want to
Speaker 1: go to the bar, you know, but we're saying. But
Speaker 1: it's part of it though. So I think that's probably
Speaker 1: the fun part of it for report is that's a
Speaker 1: part of what you get geeked up to do, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of people there's talking about
Speaker 1: the Combine movement and all that, and there's there will
Speaker 1: be people that will kind of be you know, disappointed
Speaker 1: a little bit if it moves to Dallas, because it
Speaker 1: Indian Indianaples does it well. But it is fun to
Speaker 1: like go on the road and do that stuff. It'll
Speaker 1: be a little different if you're in health you're here,
Speaker 1: but like, of course be better for us. We have
Speaker 1: more resources as well. That's that's kind of like what
Speaker 1: we do. And we have to do training camp here
Speaker 1: in the past, like it's like it's harder because you know,
Speaker 1: when we're at training camp California. You're at training camp
Speaker 1: in California, like husband, wife can't say, hey, I need
Speaker 1: you to come home and help out with this. You
Speaker 1: can't come home. But when you're here in Dallas, it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: when we go over there, it's like you're in a
Speaker 1: different space, but you feel like family in a way,
Speaker 1: like we know each other, we talk around each other,
Speaker 1: and you feel closer. Yeah, when training camp, for example,
Speaker 1: you're seeing training camp and is an example. We go
Speaker 1: come over here, then we have restrictions and there's more limitations,
Speaker 1: and it's just the disconnect is creative where now we're
Speaker 1: just like everybody else in the media. Yeah, exactly, just
Speaker 1: feels like working late, you know, basically a training training
Speaker 1: camp here. You know. All right, let's jump in. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about Stephen Jones and then some of
Speaker 1: the comments that he made earlier this week and get
Speaker 1: you guys' opinions. He was talking about Amari Cooper and
Speaker 1: I think just it was also kind of about DeMarcus,
Speaker 1: but I think the question was specific to Himri and
Speaker 1: his response was it's too early for me to address
Speaker 1: that I don't want to address any of that as
Speaker 1: far as the details of the contract, and where I
Speaker 1: found a stark contrast was he was asked about Zeke
Speaker 1: Elliott and his response was, I want Zeke on my team. Obviously,
Speaker 1: his contract, his money's guaranteed, He's going to be here,
Speaker 1: there's no question. My question for you guys is, obviously
Speaker 1: we all understand the contracts are one thing, but does
Speaker 1: that also tell you something. Do you get some insight
Speaker 1: out of what they're thinking about with a Mari maybe
Speaker 1: with DeMarcus, just knowing that that that is not as concrete,
Speaker 1: that is not as as written in stone, and it
Speaker 1: does make it a situation where maybe those guys are
Speaker 1: are legitimately out of the door. No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think that if Zeke's contract was similar to that
Speaker 1: at then I think they might say it. I think
Speaker 1: they would be on the table to maybe release him.
Speaker 1: I think it starts with the with the fact that
Speaker 1: you can't move them. You know, It's like it's like
Speaker 1: you you go up and this is your house and
Speaker 1: this is a huge statue and it's it's not being moved,
Speaker 1: and you're like, do you like the statue? It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. You can say it's ugly or not,
Speaker 1: but guess what, you're not moving it, so it's just
Speaker 1: gonna sit here. So we might we better like it
Speaker 1: because this is why it's going to be at least
Speaker 1: for right now. So yeah, of course you got to
Speaker 1: say that about Zeke and all that stuff. I think
Speaker 1: if Zeke's contract was at the point that those other
Speaker 1: two were, I think they might try to move on.
Speaker 1: I know they would move on from I really do.
Speaker 1: I mean his his Yes, he had a good season
Speaker 1: when he was healthy and all that, but that's part
Speaker 1: of it. That's the running back that doesn't They don't
Speaker 1: stay healthy at this part in their career. So um,
Speaker 1: but I think they're gonna say all the right things
Speaker 1: because they know he's going to be here. But the
Speaker 1: other two, you can, you can move on from them
Speaker 1: because they have other options as well. And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, um, if they were sure about it, it's
Speaker 1: one of those things you are talking about two guys
Speaker 1: or guys that are under contract currently. This is not
Speaker 1: a free agent guy that's about you know that you
Speaker 1: want to keep it kind of to yourself and not
Speaker 1: really say anything but if you feel one hundred percent
Speaker 1: sure or close to being sure to wanting someone to stay,
Speaker 1: I think you would go out and say, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're looking at all, you know, all the options and stuff,
Speaker 1: but we definitely want to keep or try to keep
Speaker 1: a guy like Amark Cooper, or not even say keeping,
Speaker 1: but say yeah, a guy like Amary Cooper. There's a
Speaker 1: whole lot for us, and kind of just kind of
Speaker 1: back it up and give them more flowers, you know,
Speaker 1: and make you feel like, Okay, they definitely But something
Speaker 1: about it, it's like makes me want to think something's
Speaker 1: going on to where maybe they're not feeling as sure
Speaker 1: or as happy or as like you feel like they
Speaker 1: are gonna keep him. I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: how to feel right now, but it just doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like Amari Cooper would be here next year. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: do you think is the timeline? Obviously, for Mark, you've
Speaker 1: got the five days into the next cale, I mean
Speaker 1: the next year for the NFL, they have to make
Speaker 1: a decision or they're going to be tied into his money.
Speaker 1: But for DeMarcus, what do they have a timeline? What
Speaker 1: do you think it's a timeline for that decision. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that I don't know about the time. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's got a bonus on the in
Speaker 1: that at all, but I do think that there's a
Speaker 1: priority there that they have to decide on both positions.
Speaker 1: And then the interesting thing is those two guys are
Speaker 1: under contract, but the next guy that's in the consideration
Speaker 1: is not under contract. So is Gregory a higher priority
Speaker 1: than d Law? Do you have to sign resign him?
Speaker 1: And if you do, we got to cut d Law
Speaker 1: Or do we want to sign Michael Gallop or Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson or both? And then if that's the case, that
Speaker 1: you cut you know, so because if you sit there,
Speaker 1: let's just say that they don't do anything with Amar
Speaker 1: and Gallop signs with another team, and what Cedric signs
Speaker 1: with another team, and they don't really like what they're
Speaker 1: seeing from other you know, other guy free agents. They're like,
Speaker 1: wait a second, do we really want to cut him on?
Speaker 1: You can't. So that's why I think that's why it's
Speaker 1: set for the fifth day of the league here. That's
Speaker 1: why those things are setting like that to see kind
Speaker 1: of how things go and see what the market looks like.
Speaker 1: You know, because if four guys signed deals in free
Speaker 1: agency that are twenty million a year twenty two, twenty three.
Speaker 1: You know some guy and you're like, he's half as
Speaker 1: good as a Mari hold up here, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? So I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I answered the question, no, you did good. I was
Speaker 1: just gonna say it is interesting the way that Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones cannot put those two groups because we've been talking
Speaker 1: about these guys on here. But me, in my head,
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't necessarily put the two groups of like, okay,
Speaker 1: wide receiver. You got Amari Cooper on their contract, and
Speaker 1: then the two next guys, which would be free agent
Speaker 1: Michael Gallups Cedrick Wilson on the other side of the ball,
Speaker 1: the Marcus Lawrence on their contract. Then you got Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory and then another guy that also a guy that
Speaker 1: has done fairly well and that you're still considering, is
Speaker 1: Daurn's Armstrong. And they're all in the defensive end position.
Speaker 1: So that's a tough decision because you got both sides
Speaker 1: equally as important on both sides of the ball, and
Speaker 1: then what do you do? And right now I don't know, like,
Speaker 1: are you guys feeling like, for sure, for sure, they
Speaker 1: do need to make a decision, whether it's a guy
Speaker 1: like DeMarcus Lawrence or Amari Cooper, Like there has to
Speaker 1: be a decision made between those two guys of like
Speaker 1: actually getting rid of or maybe just restructuring their contract somehow.
Speaker 1: I honestly believe it has to do with what like
Speaker 1: like Nicol saying, like, what are you doing with those
Speaker 1: other guys? Because if you're target, Let's say, for example,
Speaker 1: your target is Michael Gallup, You're like, we really want
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup back on this team? Then yes, Now, I
Speaker 1: think your decision on Amari has to come, and it
Speaker 1: needs to come swiftly because that's going to affect that decision.
Speaker 1: If you feel the same way about DeMarcus Lawrence, it's
Speaker 1: the same thing, like do you think you absolutely need
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence and you're like, he's we really don't want
Speaker 1: to let him go, then I think you're probably making
Speaker 1: a decision that we're okay with the idea that we're
Speaker 1: gonna let him. Randy Walkers, you can't have both. I
Speaker 1: don't think in these instances you can have Gallop and
Speaker 1: Amr or you can have DeMarcus and Randy. So I
Speaker 1: think all of those decisions kind of flow together. Some
Speaker 1: of them are free agent decisions, some of them are
Speaker 1: just decisions about guys that are under contract. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, is how you would consider your second guy
Speaker 1: on both sides, on both positions, Like your second guy
Speaker 1: is gonna determine what you do with your first guy,
Speaker 1: with your starter, like your main starter. Yeah, which I
Speaker 1: think we can all agree, like Delo would be like
Speaker 1: their main starter over Randy at this point, right a
Speaker 1: little bit ahead. I don't know that. See, that's the
Speaker 1: interesting quart. That's why I said maybe. And the reason
Speaker 1: why I say maybe is because I think, when everybody's healthy,
Speaker 1: I think DeMarcus is a better player than Randy. But
Speaker 1: when you factor in all the injury things that you've
Speaker 1: had to deal with with DeMarcus over the last few years,
Speaker 1: then I start to say, well, I think Randy might
Speaker 1: have the leg up because he hasn't played as much football,
Speaker 1: his body's probably healthier. So so from that same but
Speaker 1: I think I don't I don't know that I would
Speaker 1: say that he's clear that DeMarcus is clearly the better
Speaker 1: of the two guys. It says like playing cards What
Speaker 1: I like about this is when you think about these
Speaker 1: two positions we're talking about Gregory and d Law, we're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out who's the king, who's the queen.
Speaker 1: Same with with with Gallup and and Amar and all that,
Speaker 1: because in their mind they got aces in both, they
Speaker 1: got pass rushers. They have an ace in Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: They got to figure out how to use them and
Speaker 1: then they feel like CDs the ace. So that's a
Speaker 1: good problem to have, is that it's a great analogy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the thing about receiver's more like Amari's the king.
Speaker 1: But you would rather have the jack and the queen,
Speaker 1: which is like sed Rick and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm like calling any other players like
Speaker 1: a queen. But you know what I'm saying, I get
Speaker 1: your point, and I think it's a really good analogy
Speaker 1: because they do their chest. I wouldn't do a chest.
Speaker 1: But I don't know anything about that. I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: the queen is the that's that's the leader, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to say words, but she is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she can hand a little business. She's the man. Yeah
Speaker 1: probably no, No, she's the woman. You can hand a
Speaker 1: little business. Absolutely, yes, Yeah, she's protecting him. Yeah, exactly. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: let's do this. Let's let's let's move that conversation a
Speaker 1: little bit. I want to talk about the franchise tag. Actually,
Speaker 1: Stephen was asked about that and this response was, we
Speaker 1: haven't ruled that out, says they're still thinking about what
Speaker 1: they might do and how they might use it. Talking
Speaker 1: about who the candidates are, obviously you've got guys like
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz and Randy Gregory. Are there other guys you
Speaker 1: think could be in play here that they could consider
Speaker 1: for the franchise to I think it's Schultz, it was
Speaker 1: it would be the one candidate there. So Randy you
Speaker 1: don't even think of as a franchise tag candidate. It's
Speaker 1: like seventeen million or something like that. I mean, as
Speaker 1: it ain't cheap, no, because you've got guys like I mean,
Speaker 1: you've got these defensive ends that are that are out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know if DeMarcus Lawrence is
Speaker 1: in the top five of that, but I mean it's
Speaker 1: twenty at twenty one million a year, so the average
Speaker 1: of that, I mean, it's it's up there. He probably
Speaker 1: isn't well and you also put in one of the
Speaker 1: stories you did maybe yesterday or the day before yesterday,
Speaker 1: you added um Brian Inger in that list, which was
Speaker 1: kind of like I was like, huh, yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: If I could it is, but I could go edit that,
Speaker 1: I probably take it out. Yeah. I talked to some
Speaker 1: people about that, that that number is a little higher
Speaker 1: than what they want to go there with Inger. Um,
Speaker 1: that one's going to be interesting too. The Cowboys have
Speaker 1: or have done some research on that. They've looked at
Speaker 1: that and looking at his career and that, you know,
Speaker 1: it sounds like he does better on contract years. He
Speaker 1: hasn't done it as well once they get the deal,
Speaker 1: So they're trying to figure that out. And I do
Speaker 1: think and I know this that the punter position and
Speaker 1: the kicker position will kind of play off of each other.
Speaker 1: There's probably a total number that they want to spend
Speaker 1: within those two guys. Let's not forget Jake McQuaid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but um bore, the narrative has changed on John
Speaker 1: Fossil a lot of bones. Um now you know he's
Speaker 1: had I mean last year was like after the fake punt,
Speaker 1: you know, if Yasco and all that stuff this year
Speaker 1: though special teams has done a really good job they
Speaker 1: blocking punts. The punter had an all worlds you know
Speaker 1: years haven't had to do crazy stuff to do it.
Speaker 1: Like they're playing good sound football. Yeah. So and the
Speaker 1: and the and the guys know that. I mean, Anger
Speaker 1: knows that. He knows that he benefits by being in
Speaker 1: this system with John Fossil. So we'll see if that,
Speaker 1: you know, there's any kind of discount there, if this
Speaker 1: is where they wants to be. But um zero line.
Speaker 1: You know, he's under contract. The zerline is and another
Speaker 1: one of those d law amari that he may not
Speaker 1: be here just just further, you know, just contracted me.
Speaker 1: It's two and a half million a year. That's not
Speaker 1: a lot. It's seventeenth among kickers in the in the league.
Speaker 1: I thought two point five million for a kicker would
Speaker 1: be a lot higher than probably where he is as
Speaker 1: far as his ability to kick right now. If you
Speaker 1: look at like his statistic middle the road, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the middle roll kind of guy. Yeah. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he's been in middle of the road. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys. He's a clutch kicker. I
Speaker 1: think he makes good kicks, but he also will miss it,
Speaker 1: you know, some head scratch. Yeah I did. I went
Speaker 1: around the league and looked this up at the top
Speaker 1: twenty five kickers in the league. Um, the average extra
Speaker 1: point misses is like one point five every kicker. This
Speaker 1: is about average one point five. He missed six season
Speaker 1: just last year. Oh last year. Because there's a few
Speaker 1: kickers that did not miss an extra point. There's some
Speaker 1: miss one two average one. But he missed six and
Speaker 1: Nick Folk miss five. I mean, that's just it's amazing.
Speaker 1: I have to I have to think that's a mental thing.
Speaker 1: If you can kick a fifty yard or a forty
Speaker 1: eight yard or with pretty good regularity and you miss
Speaker 1: six extra points when the average is one point five,
Speaker 1: I have to think that's play mental. But here's the
Speaker 1: best part, or here's the interesting part about that, And
Speaker 1: I'm not shrink at all. Yeah, he mixes it like mentally.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if you could say it's mental,
Speaker 1: because if it was mental, then why can you miss
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay miss an extra point, miss another thirty
Speaker 1: yard kick that didn't even hit the ship it was
Speaker 1: so far left. And then he comes back and hits
Speaker 1: two clutch kicks. But can't mental also be about focus?
Speaker 1: Sometimes the miss has a way of focusing you in.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the miss has the ability of allowing you to
Speaker 1: kind of figure out what to get wrong and correct right.
Speaker 1: So so that could also be metal isn't as bad
Speaker 1: as you think. Right. That's my point, and I was
Speaker 1: actually making that point that if it's mental, that doesn't
Speaker 1: always mean that that's a guy you necessarily want to
Speaker 1: get rid of, because sometimes you can fix mental. Right.
Speaker 1: What I've heard is that sometimes when it comes to Kicker,
Speaker 1: in order to fix something like that, you need a
Speaker 1: change of environment. So it would lead to him not
Speaker 1: even being here and going somewhere else. But mental or
Speaker 1: not mental, I think most will agree that a change
Speaker 1: at the Kicker position it's needed. So his time seems
Speaker 1: to be up for me from I think everybody listening
Speaker 1: to us agrees with you. I guess the point I'm
Speaker 1: making though, is when I talk mental, I think sometimes
Speaker 1: not being mentally tough is what requires a different venue.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like that's the issue. I don't think
Speaker 1: he's not mentally tough because he wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: correct if he wasn't mean, he would go downhill every
Speaker 1: time it went bad. I think the difference is he
Speaker 1: just may not for whatever reason, he may not be
Speaker 1: as focused, he may not be able to during the game.
Speaker 1: At the beginning of the game, may not be right
Speaker 1: and sync, but as the game goes on, he's mentally
Speaker 1: tough enough to be able to. Okay, I could let
Speaker 1: that go, let me figure out what I did wrong. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll make this one adjustment and bam, now we're kicking
Speaker 1: him in right. And so that kind of mental I
Speaker 1: do think you can fix those kinds of things. But
Speaker 1: I also I have to put some blame on the
Speaker 1: Cowboys because why do they try so hard to kind
Speaker 1: of protect their kickers, Like why again, remind me of
Speaker 1: training camp from what I remember. I know it wasn't
Speaker 1: there and I wasn't taking care of a baby, but
Speaker 1: from what I remember, there was no competition and we
Speaker 1: go I feel like it's been several years where we
Speaker 1: go into training camp thinking there's, oh, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a healthy competition at the kicker position, and it never
Speaker 1: really actually happens. So and then even like preseason games,
Speaker 1: did he play? Was he playing a preseason games? Did
Speaker 1: he played? Yes? At the back all during camp the
Speaker 1: back end, nice Winder kicked all that. Yeah he was
Speaker 1: kicking in punting what yeah, and not kicking very well,
Speaker 1: and they didn't have a kicker, and then he kicked
Speaker 1: and preseason, the last preseason game they try to fifty
Speaker 1: something yard or any okay, well, either the point, it's
Speaker 1: like you go into the season, you start the season
Speaker 1: not really seeing a whole lot from your kicker, and
Speaker 1: even years before, you don't see somebody else kicking because
Speaker 1: it's easy to say, oh, yeah, we can bring in
Speaker 1: a new kicker anytime, but then when does it actually happen?
Speaker 1: And then we get guys during the middle of the
Speaker 1: season trying now, and then that doesn't lead to anywhere.
Speaker 1: At that point, most kickers are taking most kickers that
Speaker 1: can do actually something. So I just put it on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. But going back to the tag, I don't
Speaker 1: think this is a year for any tag. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: take anybody at all. There's nobody that seems appealing to
Speaker 1: me to put a tag on that I agree with that.
Speaker 1: The only reason I kind of was intrigued by what
Speaker 1: you said with Anger is talking about his career and
Speaker 1: how he's done better when he has like one year
Speaker 1: and or us a contract year. To me, I look
Speaker 1: at that and say, that would be a prime candidate
Speaker 1: for somebody. You put on a franchise tag and say
Speaker 1: do it again. And if the number, if the amount
Speaker 1: of money that you pay him isn't crazy, then it
Speaker 1: makes sense. You get to make him do it again,
Speaker 1: make him show you what he did last because he
Speaker 1: did he played really well last year. So if you
Speaker 1: can get one more year to say, hey, show me
Speaker 1: that again, and then maybe we'll talk about a long
Speaker 1: term deal. I think that's the example of where you'd
Speaker 1: want to use. I just don't think that that number
Speaker 1: for the franchise tag for a punter is as high.
Speaker 1: It's just too higher that they want to go. And
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, So I mean I think I
Speaker 1: think Schultz might be the best option if they want
Speaker 1: to do it. But I agree, I wouldn't do it
Speaker 1: at eleven million a year. I don't know, because especially
Speaker 1: because you can't. I mean, if I'm gonna do that
Speaker 1: for Schultz, I mean I don't think he's gonna. I
Speaker 1: think this is what he is. I think he's a good,
Speaker 1: solid panelic. He can get a lot better. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna get this is it. So if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do that with Schultz at eleven a year, then I'll
Speaker 1: sign him to a four year, forty four million dollars
Speaker 1: deal and then work with the where they you don't
Speaker 1: have to pay eleven this year because I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be what he is. I think he's a good player.
Speaker 1: He'll never be like the star tight end. So I mean,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna get him at eleven a year, then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it in a long term deal and
Speaker 1: spread it out and maybe don't eat so much of
Speaker 1: it right now. I can't pay eleven for him right
Speaker 1: now on this cap. I'd be interested to see what
Speaker 1: Steven says to that question. But I honestly believe he
Speaker 1: and Blake jarr were are comparable players. I think had
Speaker 1: it not been for the injury with Jarwin, we'd be
Speaker 1: talking about Jarwin right now in the same way of
Speaker 1: being a guy that that's a safety valve for Dak.
Speaker 1: Dak drops the ball off to him. And by the way,
Speaker 1: Blake does have the ability I think to make some
Speaker 1: bigger plays like Blake is not. He is the kind
Speaker 1: of guy that can get downfield a little bit more
Speaker 1: than than Schultz can. And I think Schultz, he is
Speaker 1: just a guy that has a knack for getting in
Speaker 1: the right spot and he'll catch the ball and that
Speaker 1: there's a place for that, and that matters. That's not
Speaker 1: eleven million dollars though, And I think those are comparable players.
Speaker 1: I think if he's gone, I think Blake will do
Speaker 1: every bit of what Dalton Schultz did for you. Schultz
Speaker 1: has never been in a situation where that you didn't
Speaker 1: have Cede Lamb and I'm MARII Cooper taking these outside
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and then he could just work the
Speaker 1: middle and that's where Dak wants to throw it. But
Speaker 1: if you don't have that on the outside and you're
Speaker 1: not worried about the receiver as much, and you can
Speaker 1: maybe get a safety or something to guard Schultz, then
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be as good. I
Speaker 1: think he's benefited from these great receivers and he may
Speaker 1: be taking one of them away. I agree wholeheartedly. All Right,
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Speaker 1: Life from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start,
Speaker 1: we're talking about the franchise tag. I have a scenario. Okay, good,
Speaker 1: I have a question. If you don't mind me ruining
Speaker 1: your go for it. It's the sea. During the Break
Speaker 1: we were talking about contracts and it's expectations and why
Speaker 1: kind of expectations come with the money that you pay
Speaker 1: the player. And we see it all the time. It
Speaker 1: happens all the time where someone gets paid and then
Speaker 1: people start killing them and criticizing them for not being
Speaker 1: us good on the field. But is it maybe that
Speaker 1: we're at a point where we are the ones who
Speaker 1: need to change our own mindsets rather than keep expecting
Speaker 1: these players that get paid to perform at an even
Speaker 1: higher level. Or do we still keep complaining and say, no,
Speaker 1: this player actually needs to be playing at that level,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? The difference between them actually
Speaker 1: doing it versus us maybe kind of lowering our own
Speaker 1: self expectations of what we think of a player, No,
Speaker 1: I think you're the first way you put it is
Speaker 1: absolutely right. It ain't gonna happen like it's not gonna happen, like,
Speaker 1: yes it should. But that's the world, the world we
Speaker 1: live in. Like everybody is always going to the money
Speaker 1: becomes the big target, and that means if you're making
Speaker 1: that money. And by the way, part of this is
Speaker 1: not fair to the player, but part of this is
Speaker 1: the amount of money these guys makes so much higher
Speaker 1: than your average everyday fan, and so the fan looks
Speaker 1: at it and it's like, man, you give me an
Speaker 1: eleven million dollars a year, I'll make that block. No,
Speaker 1: they can't, but they will say I'll make that block,
Speaker 1: like y'a'll making eleven million dollars. So I don't think
Speaker 1: it's ever gonna change. That's my target. It's that mindset
Speaker 1: that people think that you would do it if you
Speaker 1: made eleven million dollars. The reason why you don't and
Speaker 1: you probably make eleven dollars an hour or is because
Speaker 1: you can't make that block and you've never made it
Speaker 1: since junior high. Like that's that's why and maybe too right. Um,
Speaker 1: So it's it's funny. I people think like the money
Speaker 1: is supposed to make things different and better and it's
Speaker 1: and it's not, but it's just the market value is
Speaker 1: what it is. But you're onto something though, that there
Speaker 1: are people that think that your team needs to that
Speaker 1: you need to keep a stay hungry approach, which means
Speaker 1: you don't pay. You don't sit there and go all right, well,
Speaker 1: if you don't pay the law, we're gonna lose them.
Speaker 1: Then then let them go, you know, like at some
Speaker 1: point you have to do that. And that's why I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys are right right now. You're gonna lose
Speaker 1: Dalton Shoulders, You're gonna lose Randy Gregor if you don't
Speaker 1: pay them, and they're gonna have to make some tough
Speaker 1: decisions and say, all right go. But here's the flip
Speaker 1: side of that. Then people sit there and they look
Speaker 1: at a Byron Jones and he goes to Miami and
Speaker 1: plays really well. And they look at a Cheetobowoozier and
Speaker 1: he goes to the Bengals and he plays really well.
Speaker 1: And they look at a DeMarcus Square that goes to
Speaker 1: Denver and wins his championship. And again I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that there are lots of caveats to that. All I'm
Speaker 1: saying is when fans are looking at it, they're like, man,
Speaker 1: we let him go. But man, he's so much better
Speaker 1: in that place than he was here. What's wrong with us?
Speaker 1: You know? But like you said in the Break, the
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawfords of the world, the Jason Hatcher's of the world.
Speaker 1: If you would have said, hey, Anthony Hitchins, is he
Speaker 1: wants ten million a year, you gotta let him go.
Speaker 1: You gotta cheat. They want to give Cheeto nine million
Speaker 1: a year. By I mean, but he kind of earned it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, But I mean, don't get me started by
Speaker 1: that comment he made before the Super Bowl. I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought that was it was low hanging through and
Speaker 1: that was that was what was the critical thing he said.
Speaker 1: He basically said that we don't even have an indoor facility.
Speaker 1: You don't have you don't need all the lights and
Speaker 1: the bells and whistles to do well. He's basically taking
Speaker 1: a shot at what the Cowboys have and all that.
Speaker 1: But he said Beasley said the same thing when he
Speaker 1: went to the Buffalo, Right. But Beasley, he but Cheeto
Speaker 1: called himself a blue call. He goes I'm a blue
Speaker 1: collar guy. Yeah, no, you're not. He's not. He's not.
Speaker 1: He did he didn't do that when when he had
Speaker 1: a hamstring injury, he milked it as long as he
Speaker 1: could because he knew he was going to be a
Speaker 1: free agent and he said as much, and he didn't
Speaker 1: want to when they were six and ten and losing
Speaker 1: games at the end of the year. He didn't want
Speaker 1: to be a part of that. So you don't come
Speaker 1: back now because your team, because of Joe Burrow, made
Speaker 1: it to the Super Bowl and call yourself a blue
Speaker 1: collar guy when the Cowboys were trying to trade him
Speaker 1: because he did wasn't playing. So I have a problem
Speaker 1: with that. And then and then to talk about the
Speaker 1: indoor facility and all that stuff. But you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's the nage. Guys always, especially guys that leave here
Speaker 1: at leave here when they were underappreciate it like they
Speaker 1: all will to take the shot. The Cowboys are just
Speaker 1: glitz and glamour. And then media does it as well.
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's fine. But I guess my point though,
Speaker 1: is I think there are you know, there is that
Speaker 1: that thinking of okay, let a guy go a little
Speaker 1: too soon rather than a little too late, But I
Speaker 1: think it also burned you when you see those players
Speaker 1: leave and go somewhere else, and the same thing happened
Speaker 1: with Hitchens. Hitchens might not have been a great player,
Speaker 1: but he went to Kansa city won a championship as
Speaker 1: a starting linebacker. So when you see that, you're just
Speaker 1: kind of like, many, why aren't the guys able to
Speaker 1: have that same kind of impact here? They leave here
Speaker 1: and immediately have that type of success or impact somewhere else.
Speaker 1: You know, I always think of that, But look at
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you guys might know any
Speaker 1: names out of the top of your head, but are
Speaker 1: there guys where that story happens with us that they
Speaker 1: kind of are bad? Any notable guys? Mark Colombo is
Speaker 1: a great example. I'm sure the Bears fans were like,
Speaker 1: how the heck is he playing like he's playing over there?
Speaker 1: When he played like that over here? Jayron Curse wherever
Speaker 1: he's been there probably like that wasn't the guy that
Speaker 1: was here? You know, I'm those guys. I mean, the
Speaker 1: same thing happens here. Now we haven't had the team success. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you start talking about guys like DeMarcus and Hitchens
Speaker 1: and Cheeto, but certainly from just individual I think it
Speaker 1: happens all around the league every single year. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but the point that I was making is is that
Speaker 1: the other teams are in better financial situations. So the
Speaker 1: Bengals needed to they needed to get a good cornerback,
Speaker 1: so they got They paid for Cheeto, and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: just couldn't afford in the nineteen million, and they couldn't
Speaker 1: afford the Dolphins the seventeen million for Byron Jones. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I don't I mean as Byron Jones light in
Speaker 1: the world on fire over there. This last year, he
Speaker 1: wasn't as good as the first. The first year, I
Speaker 1: think he was a lot of people were questioning, like,
Speaker 1: did Dallas make the right decision? I think now it
Speaker 1: probably is a less of a conversation because Treyvon dig
Speaker 1: is playing in the way that he's playing, right, But
Speaker 1: if Trayvon wasn't playing that way, I think people would
Speaker 1: probably still be saying, was that the right decision? What
Speaker 1: I want to know, and I bet we can look
Speaker 1: this up. What players have the Cowboys drafted here that
Speaker 1: have gone to another team and made Pro Bowls? Like
Speaker 1: Beasley has had a good year, and he's not the
Speaker 1: reason the build have done great. And neither was Hitchens
Speaker 1: and neither was Cheeto. I mean, they were great contributors.
Speaker 1: But who's gone and been the man? Did? Did Chee
Speaker 1: don't get to the Pro Bowl this year? No, no,
Speaker 1: no way, I mean I don't think he didn't. He
Speaker 1: was I'm sure yelled. No, he was up there. He
Speaker 1: was considered one of the better corners in the in
Speaker 1: the AFC. But I didn't I don't think so. Okay,
Speaker 1: obviously didn't play because they were playing in the game
Speaker 1: and he got a pick in that game. Um and again,
Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not trying to knock him. I
Speaker 1: like him as a person. I just didn't think I
Speaker 1: hated that comment because I thought it was it was like,
Speaker 1: it's funny how your narrative changed over over the time.
Speaker 1: But good for him, good for the Bengals and all
Speaker 1: that they had the money to pay for it. But
Speaker 1: the only person I can think of it, and just
Speaker 1: because I remember running into him one time in the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, was was Martelli's Bennett, you know, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he had Witten his way, and so that was gonna happen,
Speaker 1: you know, Um, I can't think of many others though
Speaker 1: that have gone. I mean DeMarcus Ware, but that was
Speaker 1: kind of a different time as well. They wanted a
Speaker 1: different role from him than what the Cowboys need. Cowboys
Speaker 1: needed him to be the man there, they needed him
Speaker 1: to be a piece. Yeah, as a different kind of
Speaker 1: helped Von Miller be the man. And von Miller will
Speaker 1: tell you right now that having to Marcus there was
Speaker 1: one of the best things that ever happened to him
Speaker 1: in his career. So, but I mean that's a great point.
Speaker 1: But I guess what our conversation really was centered around
Speaker 1: is how fans think about it. Yeah, And I don't
Speaker 1: think fans think about it necessarily like that. They just
Speaker 1: see the success that's surrounding them and they're like, man,
Speaker 1: they must be contriused. They were started, they must be
Speaker 1: contributing to that success. Why weren't they able to have
Speaker 1: that kind of success. You think Schultz will go somewhere
Speaker 1: and catch ninety passes and go to the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: and all that, unless he's got two great receivers on
Speaker 1: the outside and a good quarterback. I just don't see
Speaker 1: it now. And if that happens, I do think it'll
Speaker 1: be like, Wow, damn. But if you let Randy go
Speaker 1: after all this and he goes and gets fourteen sacks
Speaker 1: for somebody else that's very doable, then that I think
Speaker 1: I don't think Jerry could live with that. Yeah, especially
Speaker 1: after all the time three am phone calls and stuff
Speaker 1: and that the stuff that he's done and both of
Speaker 1: them have done. I don't think Jared can live with
Speaker 1: himself for that. And I think I think that's why
Speaker 1: he's gonna stay, but because I think he can't get
Speaker 1: a fourteen sack year for the Vikings or you know, somewhere.
Speaker 1: But I do think you're facing that with two guys
Speaker 1: this year. I think both DeMarcus and DeMar could leave
Speaker 1: here and go somewhere and have phenomenal years next year.
Speaker 1: I think both of them are capable of. That's true.
Speaker 1: And so no matter how it plays out, if they're
Speaker 1: not on this team, that something fans are going to
Speaker 1: be looking at and they're gonna be like, if they
Speaker 1: have those great seasons, they're gonna be like, man, why
Speaker 1: couldn't they do that? Because I think if if a
Speaker 1: Mari were let's say a Mari were replaced with Davante
Speaker 1: Adams in Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers, he would have,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, Davanta Adams type numbers. Cowboys never used
Speaker 1: him like that, whether it's the quarterback, the offensive coordinator, whomever.
Speaker 1: They never used him in that way. But he's capable.
Speaker 1: He's absolutely capable of being that type of receiver. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, I was gonna say the difference here, or
Speaker 1: for example, with a guy like DeMarcus Lawrence, you have
Speaker 1: a decent enough amount of years to look at, like
Speaker 1: analyze and be like, Okay, what has he done for us?
Speaker 1: How has he improved or declined? And regardless of his
Speaker 1: contract money. But you know we were talking about this
Speaker 1: even putting the money aside, Well you can't put the
Speaker 1: money aside. Okay, you have to look at it too.
Speaker 1: But he hasn't necessarily been the kind of guy that
Speaker 1: is one thousand percent contributing the way you want him to.
Speaker 1: And he is a leader, He's done other things. He
Speaker 1: helps his presence on the field helps other guys around
Speaker 1: him as well. Even Randy Gregory have the kind of
Speaker 1: success that he's had. But when you look at and
Speaker 1: start talking about the injuries, are you now concerned? How
Speaker 1: concerned are you about his injury and last year was
Speaker 1: the main year that he missed that kind of amount
Speaker 1: of time. Yeah, the longest time that he's missed overall.
Speaker 1: But even then, how many years has it been that
Speaker 1: he's dealing with some kind of even what he's got,
Speaker 1: what's going to get the contract? What was it he
Speaker 1: was dealing with the shoulders? So is he now becoming
Speaker 1: that kind of guy that, well, are you going to
Speaker 1: be able to depend on him? Is he kind of
Speaker 1: turning into, like I said it before, the tyrant smith
Speaker 1: of the defense that you don't know how long? And
Speaker 1: And to me, that's a that's a really tough decision
Speaker 1: because you have you have to have a very good
Speaker 1: clarity of the kind of players you're gonna have and
Speaker 1: can count on on the field, and injuries are gonna
Speaker 1: happen regardless, and you don't know when that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: But injury prone is that a word that you want
Speaker 1: to be surrounding or tagged along the guy that's being
Speaker 1: paid that amount of money and that's supposed to be
Speaker 1: contributing the way that you really need to start to contribute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the six or seven games, eight games where
Speaker 1: he was out I mean dan Quinn and the defense
Speaker 1: figured out how to how to get it done and
Speaker 1: get and win games and rush the password and all that.
Speaker 1: I don't think dan quinn success and his history of
Speaker 1: helping these pass rushers. I don't think you need more
Speaker 1: than one guy that's making more than ten to twelve
Speaker 1: million a year. I just I think you grab I
Speaker 1: forgot about that point. You mentioned the success that they
Speaker 1: had without him. Now does that now change? Oh? I
Speaker 1: think that's a partless conversation that they're having about how
Speaker 1: much they need him and whether they can can do
Speaker 1: without him. I mean, everyone said that when Dak was
Speaker 1: getting carted off against the Giants and his tears and
Speaker 1: crying and everyone the whole stadium's crying and press, the
Speaker 1: proct people, you know, and they're like, what's that going
Speaker 1: to do with those contract? Well, they went out and
Speaker 1: they sucked, They couldn't score any points, and they missed
Speaker 1: him his conduct that it did nothing to his contract
Speaker 1: other than maybe he proved his point that how valuable
Speaker 1: he is. It doesn't It doesn't help that when the
Speaker 1: law got hurt, that they figured out other ways to
Speaker 1: do it. And so you know, that's that's just kind
Speaker 1: of the way the way that it is. And so
Speaker 1: I didn't think you need one of the two. And
Speaker 1: who do you think is more special, Randy or d Law?
Speaker 1: And I think I don't. No one's ever called d
Speaker 1: Law just like a freak, you know, like he and
Speaker 1: he's kind of freaking. He can be, he can be,
Speaker 1: But I think there's a little bit more potential. It's
Speaker 1: hard to say that over twenty nine year old Randy Gregory,
Speaker 1: but he's still pretty fresh because he hasn't played as
Speaker 1: many games. I think I think the differentiator for me
Speaker 1: is I think DeMarcus is a better run defender. I
Speaker 1: think DeMarcus is as good a run defender as I
Speaker 1: see on the edge at the Cowboys maybe time I've
Speaker 1: been here outside of maybe DeMarcus like he is really
Speaker 1: really good against the run and so and I don't
Speaker 1: think and that's not a knock on Randy, it's just
Speaker 1: I don't think he's as good as DeMarcus in that area.
Speaker 1: And I think they're comparable pass rushers. I do think
Speaker 1: that that Randy speed off the edge is what makes
Speaker 1: him special. Yeah, and the fact that he's younger that
Speaker 1: obviously helps. So you know what, I what I would
Speaker 1: do is I would focus on the defensive tackles because
Speaker 1: if you have the defensive tackles that can clog that up,
Speaker 1: then where are they gonna go wide? Who? Who do
Speaker 1: you want them to go wide against? D Law or Randy?
Speaker 1: Because you're not getting wide on Randy. We know that.
Speaker 1: We saw that training camp. Everyone tried to reverse. You're
Speaker 1: getting wide on d Law either, Like I haven't seen
Speaker 1: that happen very often. I'm just saying I would get
Speaker 1: some I would beef this thing up in the middle.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm not getting a center, I'm getting
Speaker 1: a d tackle at number twenty four. And I don't
Speaker 1: care if he's two down player. I've heard that argument
Speaker 1: that he get a two down player, which two downs
Speaker 1: first and second? Love it if you can do anything
Speaker 1: to get me the third and nine where I've got
Speaker 1: a couple of freaks running around. You don't know where
Speaker 1: they're coming from. Perfect, do your job. I'll give me
Speaker 1: the big, big old defensive tackle. Ye all right, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you, guys, John Us. We'll be back next week
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get into free agency talk. I have
Speaker 1: the whole list of free agents we're gonna go down
Speaker 1: the full list. We're gonna talk about who you expect
Speaker 1: to be back, who you want to have back. Who
Speaker 1: are the people that you're like, h, it's okay, they
Speaker 1: can go ahead and leave. We'll talk about that next week.
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