1 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: My anxiety is back in action for the first time 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: in weeks. It's mostly moved to the background in my 3 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: mind while the podcast has been taken off, but tonight's 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: back in full force. I feel flush and sweaty, my 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: my nerves jangling, all the usual symptoms. Why does this 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 1: keep happening even with my meds. It has something to 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: do with my parents. Keeping this wall up with them 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: is mentally exhausting. The fact is I'm still seventeen. At 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: some point I'm gonna need them on board to move 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: up to the next level. The time to tell them 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: what's going on is coming makes for a new kind 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: of anxiety, a slow burn that just keeps growing and 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: growing the longer I put it off. Making another attempt 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: in meditation helps. It helps me see the conflict with 15 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: my parents clearly from a distance, and my confused feelings 16 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: for Janelle, the worry that Marco is gonna make a 17 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: move and kill the vibe that we have going on 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: as a production crew. It all feels for a moment 19 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: manageable part. Of course, I'm interrupted before I can even 20 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: meet my personal best Amasily five minutes. I checked my 21 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: phone out of the corner of one night and see 22 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: that it's from Marker in our group chat with Janelle. 23 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: All right, Ben, this one took some legwork on Janelle's 24 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: in my part. But one of the artists we've been 25 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: emailing with is in town, so we booked you an 26 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: interview with Stephen Moses at a recording studio in the city. 27 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: Are you free this Thursday? I can make it. Send 28 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: me the address. Are you both coming? No, you're flying 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: solo this time. I've got a date in Marco studying 30 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: for a test. A date. Janelle has a date? What 31 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: does that mean? Does she have a boyfriend and she 32 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: not single? Oh? Forget it. Won't worry about that another time. 33 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: At least I don't have to worry about Marco making 34 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: it weird. Wait, Marco's studying, since when does he started 35 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: doing that? That makes me feel way behind on my 36 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: school work? And I have to go into the city alone. 37 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: That's just one more lie. I have to tell my parents, 38 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: which will only make coming clean harder. Huh, Okay, I'll 39 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: figure out a cover from my parents. Honest question, do 40 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: you guys think I should tell them about? Here comes 41 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: to break immediately both of them show the floating dots 42 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: of typing responses, Yes, they should be so proud of you. 43 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: You can't keep it from them forever. I don't know. 44 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: You know, you don't know Ben's parents. They're nice, but 45 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: they could be strict. They have big plans for our 46 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: boy that don't involve him becoming a podcast. That's all 47 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: the more reason to have the conversation now rather than later. 48 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: I hear what you know is saying. But Marco's right too. 49 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: She doesn't know my parents. I don't know how to 50 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: navigate this, and my hands are for to claim me again, 51 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: I type out of response. I'll tell them soon, but 52 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait till after this interview. I don't want 53 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: to give them a chance to say no to me 54 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: going into the city alone. Better to ask for forgiveness 55 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: than permission. I tossed my phone on the bed and 56 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: take my before sleep meds. Try and call my nerves 57 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: one last time for the night. It doesn't work. The 58 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: pit in my stomach only grows heavier. The only way 59 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: out of this it's through. I spend most of my 60 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: downtime during the week preparing for the interview. Stephen Moses 61 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: blew up on SoundCloud. Hometown in Pennsylvania, like Marco said 62 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: a few hours from the city. He's definitely be a 63 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: different vibe than my other interview so far. I'm not 64 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: gonna lie. Conducting this interview without my team got me shook. 65 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm used to having Mark over Janelle around for back up, 66 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: and because it's gonna be crossing the line with my 67 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: parents if they find out, I'm gonna have to find 68 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: a way to break the news about the podcast to 69 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: convince them to accept my new passion. But I just 70 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: get so shook around them. I don't trust myself to 71 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: be confident. I am not mask going around them. I 72 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: can just see their faces now, just judging me. Are 73 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: you sure this is an impact in your schoolwork? We 74 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: just transferred you to this school so you can focus 75 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: on academics and not a hobby. Do you want to 76 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: live your life selling CDs out of the trunk of 77 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: your car? There's only one master p You can be 78 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: an engineering, an owner of a tech company, and this 79 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 1: is what you're gonna do with selling c d s 80 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: out of my car? What is my dad talking about 81 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: c d s? They don't even make seat easy anymore. 82 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: This guy here, I am getting piste off about an 83 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: imaginary conversation with him. Okay, let me chilly ship almost 84 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: missed my transfer. I squeezed through the closing doors and 85 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,119 Speaker 1: rushed across the station to catch the F train running 86 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: through the human station with musty sense pass street performers 87 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: in newspaper stands. The rush of another interview comes back 88 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: to me. My adrenaline is pumping like me. Up. Have 89 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: reached the F platform and see an express train freshly 90 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: loaded with uptown passengers. We're all about the partner. I 91 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: make one more mad dash to the doors and I 92 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: managed the board. Huh. Just a couple of stops later 93 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: and we get to my I'm still panting for my 94 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: sprint through west Forth, but I make my way out 95 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: of the station and up onto the street. Oh, the 96 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: crisp fall wind hits my face and I feel energized 97 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: and fresh blood pumping. Interview ahead of me alone in 98 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: the city, now's my time. After a few blocks walk, 99 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: I arrived at the studio entrance, a heavy steel door 100 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: flanked by glass walls with the name Electric Ladies Studios. 101 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: I hit the buzzer and in a minute, this big 102 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: guy in a black T shirt and black jeans answers 103 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: help you I'm Ruben Robinson mask On from the Here 104 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: Comes to Break podcast. I'm here from my interview with 105 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: Stephen Moses, m nice dride Kid. You're the interviewer. Yeah, 106 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: he sizes me up and lets out another gruff laugh. 107 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm getting pretty sick of dealing with dormant and after 108 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: what happened at the l A The Ghost Show last week, 109 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: I am determined not to let this one give me 110 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: a hard time when I'm definitely scheduled to be here. 111 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: Check the list? What did you say? Your name was again? Reuben? It? 112 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: Maybe under here? Comes to Rake or mask On? Mask On? 113 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: What's that like? Your MC name? Sort of? No wonder 114 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: you go by a handle? You're a little dude. Can 115 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: I get in now? I'm running late. I like to 116 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: be early for my interviews. There's something else, Yeah, follow me, 117 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: I'll take care of the back. The Big Guy leads 118 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: me to a lounge area covered an album art from 119 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: all the artists who have recorded here, J Diller and 120 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: mad Lib, Young Thug and Tiler the Creator. The Big 121 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: Guy instructs me to sit and wait. Stephen is laying 122 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: down the track and wrapping up another meeting, apparently, so 123 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: I sit and I wait review on my notes, but 124 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: my eye keeps wandering to the walls. I'm struck, dumb 125 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: by the history of the place. I can't wait to 126 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: tell Marco about all of this. He'll be so jealous. 127 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: As if to prove my point. The door to the 128 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: studio opens and holy ship, outsteps Dave East, he played 129 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: method Man in the wood Tang series. I own his 130 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: album Survival and listen to his paranoia a true story mistake. 131 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: All the time. I'm rooted to the lounge couch, starstruck. 132 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: Just being in the room with someone like this feels 133 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: like I've made it success. He pauses in the lounge 134 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: and make side contact with you. Hey kid, you an artist. 135 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm still stuck to my spot, knowing this is going 136 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: to blow Barcos's mind. I gotta play it cool, don't 137 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: blow it, at least spit out of normal sentence. Ruben, 138 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: Come on, I'm a journalist. I'm here to enter you. 139 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 1: Stephen Are you're pretty young? How long you've been at it? Oh? 140 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: You know, just getting started? Really? Uh? A huge fan 141 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: of your work, By the way, we'll keep it up. 142 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: I was grinding at it for years before I got signed. 143 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: Maybe one day man, you will meet up, you know, 144 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: for interviewers. Son With that, he passes out of the 145 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: lounge and I collect myself. I think I pulled that 146 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: off pretty well. It's only a passing interaction, but to 147 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: have someone I admire so much see my potential, it's 148 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: incredibly validated. I step to the room he just left. 149 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: It's the production suite. I see the board all laid out, 150 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: knobs and dials and row after row. The engineer hunched 151 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: down over them like he's piloting a spaceship. Yeah, that's 152 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: me Here in the studio. The walls are full of 153 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: shelves lined with tapes and demo tracks. There are musical 154 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: instruments scattered to each corner around the couch that I 155 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: plopped down on, and I take out my notes. The 156 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: engineer keeps playing back bits of the track that he 157 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: and Stephen are working on, tweaking the reverb on the 158 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: vocal here, tightening the beat there. It makes me self 159 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: conscious about recording this interview on my phone. It feels 160 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: like amateur hour. But despite all the putdowns by the doorman, 161 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: I feel at home, like I finally arrived. Mask on. 162 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: It's ready for the mass to come off. Stephen Moses 163 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: turns around in the swivel chair away from facing at 164 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: the board. He sizes me up, sees my phone on 165 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: the couch beside me, and ready to record the interview. 166 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: He smarks a little bit and gives me a look 167 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: like well, and then I dive in. And an industry 168 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: is constantly trying to define artists. Can you tell our 169 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: listeners in your own words? Who is Stephen Moses? I'm 170 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: just like this soon as everyone else, just like kind 171 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: of different a little bit. I guess I don't really 172 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: like to define myself like that. How do you spread 173 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: your music to your fans, your followers? I know SoundCloud 174 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: played a huge rolling building a fan base. Yeah, it's 175 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: really just the word of mouth, you know, ab least 176 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: such such gameship like that played the big role in it, 177 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: Like it all kind of came when I dropped that 178 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: loving video, you know, spread on that song. I don't 179 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: really have to necessarily really try to promote it like that. 180 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: When did you first know you have found success as 181 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: an artist? I mean the way I look at music, 182 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: the way I made music, like my recording and writing process, 183 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: and that hasn't really changed. But I would say that 184 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 1: ship say, changing in a video came out really so 185 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: how do you connect with fans? Can you describe your 186 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: fans to us? I just lost? I think in this 187 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: this shit, they give this sit and feels they're not 188 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: lost them maybe they have a guide or even if 189 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: they don't, maybe even if they still feel lost, they 190 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: could feel okay in that abyss that they might find 191 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: themselves in, but they might feel comfortable with themselves. And 192 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: I think I give people that feeling. It's not music. 193 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: And why do you think that truth to feeling lost 194 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: resonates with the audience because they always has just before everyone, 195 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, everyone's just kind of figure out what 196 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: the funk they're doing. It feels like this just therapy 197 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: feel out of these kids. That's what music was for 198 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: me growing out, And mean it still is okay. What 199 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: what was that song in your life where you were like, 200 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: I see myself for my life in this track or 201 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: or in this artist? Have you ever heard the song 202 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: there is a that never goes out the smith because 203 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: I felt like someone was someone seeing like exactly what 204 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: I was screaming. And like I said about how my 205 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: music makes people feel okay with how they're feeling I 206 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: think it gave me that affirmation. That's the stuff. So 207 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: these days you move from Pennsylvania to l A with 208 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: so much civil arrest going on, how are you feeling 209 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: with all the protest things. Honestly, I see more unity 210 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: in this country unit I've probably seen in the past 211 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: twenty years. It sucks that it has said happened like this, 212 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: and then some of this ship has to be going 213 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: on to make that happen. I don't really want to 214 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: connect like to too much on it, but just a 215 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: lot of unity, a lot of ship like that. I 216 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: don't know. The only time I ever felt unity like that, 217 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: honestly was you know, Whaii. There was this mountain called 218 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: Mounticare that they're China build a stip telescope on. So 219 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: people are all ended together blocking off this road. It's 220 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: like a thousand people from different parts of the world 221 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: gathered up for this is one cause, and they were 222 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: all doing their different ceremonies and people would dancing for 223 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: all perfect games. Think and that was the last time 224 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: I ever felt anything like when I'm feeling right now 225 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: in the end, what do you want your legacy to be? 226 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: I want my legacy to be and want I want 227 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: to show people there's a way out, whether you have 228 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: to make music or paint or not make art at all. 229 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: I just want people to know there's like a way out. 230 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: Do you have any advice for kids or how to 231 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: seek help and man and stress and anxiety? Really, I 232 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: guess it would depend on the person. But you know, 233 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: in most cases more people care than than you think. 234 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: And if you are looking for help, actually it's usually 235 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: there and not always, I guess, but if you're looking 236 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: for it long enough, if you find it. And for parents, 237 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: parents need to chill the funk out. They need to 238 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: chill out and stop trying to make their kids. We're 239 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: fucking uniforms go to school. I didn't go to school. 240 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: We'll go Good support from parents or other mentors look 241 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: like to you guys that aren't, like I said, when 242 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: you're overbearing with it and just push these people in 243 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: the other draction, he usually gets hard to listen to 244 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: some of me that's trying to tell you exactly what 245 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: to do. We'll be right back and now back to 246 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: the show on the right, back out to Queens. I'm 247 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: wrangling with the results of the interview. It was a 248 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: challenge Stephen Moses had me walking around the studio building, 249 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: following them out of the production suite to the kitchen. 250 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: It's a tougher interview that I'm kind of used to. 251 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: I felt like I didn't get him to open up 252 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: until he started talking about his fans and activism. But 253 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: when he did, the stuff he said about parents resonated 254 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: with me. By the time I get back to the house, 255 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: I've missed family dinner. I told my parents I was 256 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: hanging out of Marco's after school. They don't usually check 257 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: up on stories like that, but as soon as I 258 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: come through the door, I could tell something's off. They're 259 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: waiting for me at the dining room table, looks of 260 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: concern on their faces. Hey Mom, Hey Dad, what's up? 261 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: I pretend like nothing weirdest going on, but the vibe 262 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: in the room is cold. Reuben, where were you tonight? 263 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: What do you mean? Don't lie to us, young man. 264 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: I called Marco's house to let y'all know Marco left 265 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: his sunglasses here last week. I meant to remind you 266 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: to take him with you. They said you weren't there, 267 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: damn it, this is the worst case scenario. Instead of 268 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: breaking things to them gently, I've been caught exactly what 269 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: I've been hoping to avoid. My stomach drops like a 270 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: brick in my gut. Marco's parents must have asked him 271 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: if he was in on the alibi, but I'm sure 272 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: he denied it. And I have to find a way 273 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: to have this conversation without getting grounded, or it's gonna 274 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: make producing the podcast twice as complicated. I dropped my 275 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: bag by my feet and decided to level with him. Okay, 276 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: I was out interviewing a new hip hop artist, Stephen Moses. 277 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: He's just blowing up, and I met him at a 278 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: recording studio to ask him a few questions for this podcast. 279 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: Stop started. It's called Here Comes the Break. It's a hit. 280 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: I see it on their stunt faces, just like I 281 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: imagined earlier. They have no idea how to respond. This 282 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: is not the explanation they were expected. But in the 283 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: courtroom by it picks up. When did you start doing this? 284 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: About a month back, Marco took me with him to 285 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: a show he got invited to for his follower account. 286 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: That was our first interview, but and we posted it 287 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: got a lot of traction, and we've been trying to 288 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: feed the beast every week since why didn't you tell 289 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: us I was going to Eventually it started out just 290 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: as an idea between Marco and me, but it's it's 291 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: growing so fast it got out of control, and I 292 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: couldn't risk you shutting it down like you shut down 293 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: my Vine account when that blew up. If they look 294 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: stunned by my reveal of the podcast, they seem even 295 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: more confused by my raising the subject of my Vine account. 296 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: It's suddenly so clear that this has been on my mind, 297 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: but it hasn't crossed theirs and ears. I feel a 298 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: flushed in the past your Vine account. Seriously, Ruben, you 299 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: were too young. I scanned all the comments on that 300 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: viral post. Do you even know what kind of threats 301 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: and insults those trolls were thrown at you? Being an 302 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: Internet celebrity is not sustainable for children. It can make 303 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: you crazy, and you have to be careful. We are 304 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: being careful. It's just you and Marco doing this podcast, 305 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: Marco and me and my new friends. And so when 306 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: the three of you went out to a show the 307 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: other week, we were handing out merchant book and future 308 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: guests for the show. They're still trying to wrap their 309 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: heads around it. I don't know what they were worried 310 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: about what I might be into, but podcasting wasn't on 311 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: the list that are off balanced. I feel like I've 312 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: scored an opening to get them to realize this is 313 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: a good thing. But Marco was at his house today 314 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: when you went to this recording studio. Were you alone? 315 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: This one might be tough. I'm calling the one Lie. 316 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: I knew they'd be pissed about going into the city alone, 317 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: especially with the heightened news about police brutality. Mom, I'm 318 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: almost eighteen. I don't need a damn chaperone. So that's 319 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: a yes. Well, this isn't about a chaperon, Reuben. Come on, now, 320 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: we have talked about this. When you're going out to 321 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: strange places, you should have friends with you. Your cell 322 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: phones should be charged. Do you know what it's like 323 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: having a black son in America? Hell no, my son 324 00:18:55,840 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: will not be another hashtag. Not on my day. I'm watched. 325 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: I pray God, I pray down to the heavens every 326 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: time you leave this house. I don't sleep comfortably at 327 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: night until you are home, safe and sound. Ruben. I 328 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: need for you to hear me. You should not be 329 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: in the city alone. And if you are, you tell 330 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: your parents you're a whereabouts. It's for your safety and 331 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: my peace of mind. Damn it, Ruben, honey, it's okay. 332 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: He's here, He's safe, Ruben is safe. I can't live 333 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: in constant fear ma. I want to put myself out there, 334 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: and this, this podcast is my chance. I can't just 335 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: keep my head down and and go to Howard and 336 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: put on a suit and tie somewhere. This is about 337 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: my future. I know you two are trying to help 338 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: me go down a good path, but you gotta give 339 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: me fucking womb to live my own life. I don't 340 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: think you're hearing your mother ship. I'm needed. I take 341 00:19:55,400 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: a second to catch my breath. I'm the one who 342 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: has all the baggage here. I just started spewing it 343 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: at him with my mom asked me a simple question. 344 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: I feel half balanced on edge. I need to get 345 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: out of this conversation alive. Okay, listen here. You do 346 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: not talk back to your parents like that. Express yourself 347 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: with some self control. If you have other issues you 348 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: want to talk about, that's one thing. But the matter 349 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: at hand, as you have been lying to us, sneaking 350 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: around to God, knows where sometimes alone, you are so grounded. Fuck, 351 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm not getting out of this conversation alive. I played 352 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 1: right into this two weeks. No going out after school 353 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: or on weekends. We're not saying you can't do your 354 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: podcast project, but we can't just roll over on this 355 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: sneaking around. Do you understand? Do you understand this isn't 356 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: just a little project. This could be a legit business 357 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: for me. Watch your mouth and tone, young man. Where 358 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: I come from, we don't do that. Sorry, your dad said, 359 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: you can record the damn podcast. Talk back to us again, 360 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: and we'll pull the plug on it. It will be 361 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: a wrap on all of it. Please know? Can I 362 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: at least throw out for production meetings with Marco and Janelle? 363 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: I gotta be able to pull my weight. Do them 364 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: on your laptop. Shit, I screwed up. I hate being 365 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: a minor. This conversation is over. You can go to 366 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: your room. Son. We'll discuss the parameters of this at 367 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: another time. My head upstairs and I immediately get to work, 368 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: figure and out how to work around this ground and 369 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: in my head, Janelle, I'll still see a school. We 370 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: got a couple of extra interviews bank, Now where I 371 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: later go to st body so we don't have to 372 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: get another one for a high second. Gives us time 373 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: to regroup. It might be time to invest in some 374 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: legit podcast and Mike's set up my home studio for real. 375 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: I'll get out from under this. Here comes my jail 376 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: break and now an exclusive track from Stephen Moses huh 377 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: boy to Coco Prime. Oh, coh Prime. Oh. I think 378 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: I've been buried down on came but I cying, Oh boy, 379 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: call crying, Oh oh, I've got burring down. Better bring 380 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: down bear. I still don't give a fund yet. Realistically, 381 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm ever gonna I go down there. 382 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: I want to smoke. I never asked for this ship. 383 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: I hope you know that, and I hope you know 384 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: that every fucking thing you gave me a cat. How 385 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: about I'm out side at your steps. I'm far hanging 386 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: on my chest. I'm sorry for all the stress, and 387 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm on my life and to mess up. And I said, 388 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: how come I gonna wake up? Would it be dead? 389 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: Let it just then? No, I'm just gonna keep on 390 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: getting more painted lately. Ever thinking about changing then I 391 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,640 Speaker 1: realized only one thing ain't change it if I said 392 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: I love you, oh, it's just playing. Honestly, I think 393 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: I'm crazy and I don't know how to make conversation. 394 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: But I hope that you know that I'm sorry. You 395 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: can pull my son on your playlist or something. I 396 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: hope you're fine, whatever the fucking is that you're looking for. 397 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: I know you never claimed to be an easy curson, 398 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: but I just wish you would have told me it 399 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: could be that hard. He Loving you is like this 400 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: perfect radets, never ending, all connate reality where we can 401 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: just get hack like nothing's really happening. And every day 402 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: I missed you when I hate it when you're mad 403 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: at me. If loving you the war, I guess my 404 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: heart is just the guys will being what her heart's more? 405 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: While they ever do it break? And I just which did? 406 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: I can sleep up to be awake and with the 407 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: ending to this story and you wa a boy my face? 408 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: And will I ever be done? Will I always say 409 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: l A? I don't know. I just told we will 410 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: learn better ways to quote with the pain. Every denner 411 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: better right, every dealer better right. I think be right. 412 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: Here comes to Break. That is produced by Double Elvis 413 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: and partnership with I Heart Radio Executive produced by Deaf 414 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: Jam Recordings. Executive produced by and starring Asanti Black Is Ruben, 415 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: Produced by Danielle Perkins who plays Janelle, Bobby Cuss Marco, 416 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: Christopher V. Edwards as Dad, Raymie Cornell is Mom, and 417 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: Taylor Bettinson. Written by Taylor Bettinson and the Kid Hill 418 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: Artist Interviews conducted by Nikia Hill, directed by Christopher V. 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