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Speaker 1: It is Texans Jaguars Week from Houston, Texans dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Texans Radio sideline reporter and analyst John Harris is with us.

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Speaker 1: Hey here we are. Nice to see a Happy Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: to you. What's up?

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Speaker 2: Happy Thanksgiving to you too, JP man, it's good to

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Speaker 2: see you. This trip is always a fun one for me,

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Speaker 2: no matter what happens on the field, because I get

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Speaker 2: back and get to see some of my guys I

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Speaker 2: coached many, many years ago, just on the other side

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Speaker 2: of the banks of the Saint Jolen's River at Episcopall

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Speaker 2: High School. So it's always kind of weird. I'm ware

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Speaker 2: of my Texans logo because you know, when the Jaguars

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Speaker 2: started as an organization, you know, you know, the Oilers

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Speaker 2: went away, and so I was like, all right, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm in Jacksonville. Let's let's jump on the Jacksonville train.

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Speaker 2: So I've been a Jacksonville fan for a long time,

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Speaker 2: of course, until I got with the Texans, and then

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Speaker 2: I had to hate them because that's just AFC South Dynamics,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know I'm aware of what years were you

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Speaker 1: at Episcopal.

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Speaker 2: I got there in nineteen ninety four and I was

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Speaker 2: the junior high coach, and then I took over. I

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Speaker 2: did a stint at Bishop Kenny, I did a stint

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Speaker 2: in bowls, and then I got back to Episcopal became

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Speaker 2: the head varsity coach in nineteen ninety eight. So you know,

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Speaker 2: it's been a long time when the number at the

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Speaker 2: beginning of that year is at nineteen, so as long

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Speaker 2: as a long time ago. So I was there for

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Speaker 2: three years. We got to the playoffs for the first

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Speaker 2: time in school history my third year. So I always

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Speaker 2: had that little feather in my feather in my cap,

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Speaker 2: so to speak. But I love I love Jacksonville. I

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Speaker 2: love everything about the city. It was good to myself.

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Speaker 2: My wife and I met there, we met at Episcopal.

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Speaker 2: We had our first son there. So Jacksonville always strikes

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Speaker 2: at that the heartstrings so very much. That makes this

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Speaker 2: a fun trip. You had a tough trip because we

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Speaker 2: love Jacksonville. We love Jacksonville so much.

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Speaker 1: John Harris with us from Texans Radio. Well, it's not

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Speaker 1: only been good for you personally, of course, away from

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Speaker 1: the field. For the Texans. On the field, nine out

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Speaker 1: of the last ten road games against the Jaguars have

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Speaker 1: been wins for the Texans. One of those was whenum

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Speaker 1: in London of course, the rest here at Jacksonville. Why

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Speaker 1: is that, Why is it all of a sudden that

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Speaker 1: the Texans come here and play well. There's been some

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Speaker 1: good teams and not so good teams with the Jaguars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's kind of the same

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Speaker 2: way when you know, the Colts come to do Vault County.

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Speaker 2: The Colts get spanked for whatever reason. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, it's it's an odd one. I think it's

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Speaker 2: just as matched up at times where the Texans you know,

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Speaker 2: have played well in some of those games, and they've

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Speaker 2: had some good teams over the years. But there's that

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Speaker 2: lull that we had that you know, from twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: through twenty two where you know, we caught the Jaguars

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Speaker 2: at the wrong time. For the Jaguars, you know, we

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Speaker 2: weren't a very good team, but the Jags weren't very

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Speaker 2: good even in you know, and in twenty two they

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Speaker 2: really hit the hot streak after we played them in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if there's anything that really, you know,

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Speaker 2: any i'm a reason to it, but it's probably similar

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Speaker 2: to the Colts. You know, Colts go down there. Duval

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Speaker 2: kind of like, oh man, the Texans go down there

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Speaker 2: and like, Okay, we're good, we'll win, We'll be okay.

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Speaker 2: But look, there's nobody in this building right now, considering

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Speaker 2: the way we played last few weeks that is going, oh,

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Speaker 2: we're going down there, we got a guaranteed victory. Like no, no,

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Speaker 2: not at all. There might have been a few of

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Speaker 2: those going into last week against the Tennessee Titans, but

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Speaker 2: those people have either shut up, left the building or

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Speaker 2: have been muted, so they don't have anything to say.

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Speaker 2: We we all had an idea like, this is a

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Speaker 2: division game, this is gonna be tough, but I think

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Speaker 2: it was probably even tougher than we thought because Will

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Speaker 2: Levis did play pretty well and that was that was

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Speaker 2: not what he did the two times we faced them

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. He played pretty well, he hit

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Speaker 2: and then we just couldn't do anything offensively in the

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Speaker 2: the people in this building no going down to going

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Speaker 2: With the talent the Jags have in the building, our

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Speaker 1: John, what's going on on the offensive side with the

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Speaker 1: CJ Stroud and they've got mixing back. He wasn't here

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Speaker 1: in the first meeting. Nico Collins went off in that game. Statistically,

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Speaker 1: they had to rally late and win the game. They

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Speaker 1: did it. What's been going on the last few weeks

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Speaker 1: with CJ? Where is he?

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Speaker 2: Well? CJ said it as presser after the game. He

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Speaker 2: just said it point blank to the media. He said,

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Speaker 2: I'm just not playing well right now. And I think

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Speaker 2: there's how I say this. I don't think there's as

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Speaker 2: He threw a couple interceptions. I think the first interception

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Speaker 2: on him. Second one was all him. But he's the

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Speaker 2: kind of guy that is going to internalize the offense's issues.

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Speaker 2: I know the talk nationally after the game was, oh,

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Speaker 2: CJ Stroud sophomore slump all this, and I really was

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Speaker 2: upset because I was like, CJ's really made some good

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Speaker 2: And so I went back and I watched every single

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Speaker 2: on this. He did make a couple of kind of

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Speaker 2: if you want to say that, in large part because

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Speaker 2: the protection just hasn't been where it's needed to be.

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Speaker 2: And I know that you know Trevor has gone through

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Speaker 2: that at times where he's had some struggles, and you

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Speaker 2: that offensive line has made CJ basically go through quarterback hell.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he drops and as soon as he gets

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Speaker 2: because receivers have been open, he just hasn't had that time.

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Speaker 2: He's gotten sped up a little bit because that pressure

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Speaker 2: Nico for about five weeks, you know, been without Diggs

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Speaker 2: So trying to manage life without them, trying to just

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Speaker 2: and Joe's been really good. But in the two games

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Speaker 2: Joe being back is great. But if there's nowhere to

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Speaker 2: I think, against this offensive line to give them holes

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Speaker 2: to run, and then we go back to Okay, well,

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Speaker 2: we can't run the ball, how do we move the football.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to throw it. Okay, CJ is gonna

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Speaker 2: that's putting a lot of pressure on the offensive line

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Speaker 2: that is not really held up as well as it

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Speaker 2: that's really kind of at the crux of where this

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Speaker 2: offense is. It started off well to a degree, but

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Speaker 2: second half issues, second half issues have been just huge.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I had a buddy of mine it just

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Speaker 2: tweeted at some point on Tuesday morning, he said the

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Speaker 2: number of touchdowns of Texans have scored in the second

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Speaker 2: Week six, Week six one, Jimmy Ward one, Derek Barnett

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Speaker 2: won Texans offense. Well, the first two guys are defensive players,

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Speaker 2: so we just haven't been able to put the ball

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Speaker 2: going into week thirteen, thirteen straight games, think team's probably

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Speaker 2: will fatigue, will beat up. So we got to go

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Speaker 2: down there and you'll find every ounce of energy get

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Speaker 2: this win before hopefully get this win before we go

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Speaker 2: into the bye week. But it's not it's not gonna

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Speaker 1: John Harris with US Texans Radio. Defensively, Will and Anderson's

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Speaker 1: been hurt a bunch of the year. Came back last week,

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Speaker 1: couple of sacks. They were all over Levis in the

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Speaker 1: first half, obviously, but Danil Hunter has been playing well.

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Speaker 1: Seems like statistically, where are they on the defensive side.

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Speaker 1: They're taking the ball away some it feels like where

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Speaker 2: To this point, they've carried the load. I feel bad

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Speaker 2: Troit game. I mean put it this way. In fact,

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Speaker 2: our good buddy Drew Dory, who you know, JP, He

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Speaker 2: sent me an email he said, we picked off Detroit

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Speaker 2: five times and lost. We sacked Will Levis eight times,

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Speaker 2: had two turnovers and to pick six and lost to

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Speaker 2: the Titans. So this defense, and I've seen some good

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Speaker 2: back to front, it's as good a defense as I've

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Speaker 2: you know, you know, it was Gladys Knight and the Pips. Basically,

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Speaker 2: this group is you know, it's it's everybody getting a

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Speaker 2: shot at the mic. This is like Wu Tang. Everybody

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Speaker 2: gets a shot with bars. You know, everybody gets to

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Speaker 2: spit some bars and away you go. But it's really

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Speaker 2: starting to evolve into Danielle Hunter being dominating, I mean dominating.

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Speaker 2: He JP was as good as I've seen a Texans

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Speaker 2: It's one of the best free agent signings we've ever had.

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Speaker 2: Will's now getting back into the fold. We're getting some

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Speaker 2: good play from guys that maybe weren't expecting. On the interior.

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Speaker 2: We will miss Jalen Petrie. That will hurt. Jalen was

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Speaker 2: kind of a chess piece. They would use him a nickel,

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Speaker 2: they'd move him around. He played with linebacker. He blitz,

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Speaker 2: he drop, he'd cover, he tackle, physical presence. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: miss him. He's gonna be out with a shoulder injury,

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Speaker 2: So don't know what his progress is gonna be going forward,

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Speaker 2: I love the man, I absolutely, I love him. I

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Speaker 1: John great stuff as always, and I'll wish you the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely same goes JP. I appreciate it, brother, thank you,

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