1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: producer Paul Mission Control decond. Most importantly, you are you, 8 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: want you to know. Paul, could we have a breaking 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: news sound cue? Folks, We interrupt your originally scheduled programming 11 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: today to bring you an important episode. As we record 12 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: on January seven, yesterday evening, the current president of the 13 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: United States and cited invasion of the nation's capital, interrupting 14 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: the largely ceremonial procedural process of certifying the recent presidential election. 15 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: These insurgents, terrorists, mob whatever you want to call them, 16 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: stormed into the halls of Congress with tepid resistance at 17 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: times tacit assistance from law enforcement on the scene, and 18 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: as we record today, the United States is in a 19 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: state of turmoil. Its future is uncertain on a level 20 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: not seen since the Civil War. This is not hyperbole. 21 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: Here are the facts. So the US UM. You know, 22 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: we've talked about the electoral College. It's always been kind 23 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: of a bit of a head scratcher, UM, but it 24 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: is the system that we have where the voters sort 25 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: of kind of a little bit elect a president every 26 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,919 Speaker 1: four years UM. After our individual votes from individual states 27 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: or tally, they go to that mystical body, the Electoral 28 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: College UM, which is a body of UM electors that 29 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: are appointed by their parties or political machines, and then 30 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: the electors cast votes on behalf of a state's voter 31 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: so they're almost like sura gets for the actual you know, 32 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 1: citizens that are that are casting the votes. Uh. Those 33 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: votes then go to Washington, d C. Where this largely 34 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: ceremonial I mean entirely ceremonial uh certification process happens. It's 35 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: been referred to that way by a lot of lawmakers, 36 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: where like, oh, in the age of the Internet, this 37 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: is not a thing that we need to do. It's 38 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: really just kind of like the new Congress, and it's 39 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: like day one, a fresh start. We certify the election, 40 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: peaceful transfer of power, move on with our lives in 41 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: a positive direction. That's correct and as you said in all, 42 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: the electoral College really is an episode all of its own. 43 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: It's very controversial, it's a strange process. It doesn't feel 44 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: necessary a lot of the time. Um, and there are 45 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: a lot of problems with it and a lot of 46 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: points of contention, And hopefully we will be covering that 47 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: in the future. For the next time, we need to 48 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: talk about all of this, and especially since things have 49 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: gone so hey wire. However, things were a little bit 50 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: different this time. It didn't work the way it was 51 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: supposed to. Forces, both for and and domestic, both sincere 52 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: and sometimes sinister, sought to disrupt the process. And this 53 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: is this is something that's been happening over the past 54 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: several elections. It is a growing thing that we are 55 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: seeing where where forces outside want to disrupt foundations of geopolitics. 56 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: I'm telling you the Russian alex Jones, Alexander Dugan, Uh, 57 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: familiarize yourself with the book. Check out our previous episode 58 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: on the Modern rest Sputant. Yeah, allegations of fraud were 59 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: widespread on both sides. This is uh not too different 60 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: from the twenties sixteen election. Yet the American public was 61 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: increasingly radicalized and divided. It's never before. We were entering 62 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: a post true era. For the first time in modern 63 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: US history, a city US president has explicitly refused to 64 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: acknowledge the results of the election. And yes, there was 65 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: a statement issued, which will get to in the second 66 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: part of what will probably be a two part episode. 67 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: But I would, uh, I would ask everybody to read 68 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: the language of that statement carefully and say, you know, 69 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: conclude for yourself whether or not you think that counts 70 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: as an acknowledgement of results. All of this means that 71 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: we are spoiler alert, no longer on the established original timeline. 72 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: The concept of the traditional transfer of power and the 73 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: milestones date wise for that transfer to occur are under 74 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: fire in a very real and literal way. So what happened? 75 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. First, let's let's look at 76 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: a blue by blow of the day, and then we'll 77 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: go back and look at some of the larger context here. 78 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: There was a rally on January six. Congress was tasked 79 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: with certifying the results of the electoral College. As we 80 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: said earlier, this is largely procedural. C SPAN probably got 81 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: some great ratings when Congress finally resumed doing this in 82 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: the wee hours of January seven, as the date of 83 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: this certification process approached, both Democratic and Republican politicians and 84 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: officials and pundits traveled widely in person, on the radio, 85 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: on the internet, on cable. They were trying to rally 86 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: support for various things, including the recent senatorial runoff here 87 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: in Georgia, and they wanted to show their support for 88 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: or position to the official results of the election. And again, 89 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: many people, many many people, all or parts of this 90 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: election were seen as fraudulent. No, not just let's be fair, 91 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: it's They're not just people saying that, um, the presidential 92 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 1: election was rigged. There are people who were saying the 93 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: Kentucky senatorial election was rigged, or that the Georgia senatorial 94 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: election was rigged Arizona as well in Pennsylvania. And on 95 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: January six one, around noon, the current president Donald Trump 96 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: held a rally at the Ellipse I believe it's called, 97 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: nearby the White House outside and in this rally, he 98 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: repeated his claims that the election had been stolen from him. 99 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: He even said it was. He said stuff like it's 100 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: statistically impossible that he didn't win, so on and so on. 101 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: He called on VP Michael Pence to overturn the results. Uh. 102 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: What he means when he says that is that in 103 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: the electoral college process and the certification process, the vice 104 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: president is the person who ultimately signs off and certifies yes, 105 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: these certificates are legitimate. Therefore we're calling the election for 106 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, this new president and vice president. All he 107 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: really has the power to do, though, is to say, oh, 108 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: something is fishy and send it back to the States. Correct. 109 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: He can field objections if they are raised by other 110 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: members of Congress, which was set to occur. Uh, this 111 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: is what the President was talking about at this time. 112 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: And you know, he had kind of availed warning for Pence, 113 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,119 Speaker 1: talking about how much he likes Pence and then how 114 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: he will be very disappointed if Pence does not overturn this. 115 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: But unfortunately for that side of the argument, Uh, the 116 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: vice president does not legally have the power to overturn 117 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: this stuff. And in this this rally, Donald Trump also 118 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: turned on officials in his own party, the GOP, the 119 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: Republican Party, urging his supporters to march on the Capitol, 120 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: telling them explicitly, I'll be with you. And it seems 121 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: at present present, as we record, it seems that many 122 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: of these supporters, maybe not all, but many had in 123 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: fact come prepared to do just that and will prove 124 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: that later in the show. I think maybe he meant 125 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: I'll be with you and more of like a Mufasa 126 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: on the Lion King kind of way, only more of 127 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: the like watching you on TV from a secret bunker 128 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: kind of way. Perhaps perhaps because despite his earlier statement, 129 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: President Trump did not in fact accompany this uh this 130 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: crowd to the Capitol, and Penn said also earlier stated 131 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: he would comply with the norms of the election process. 132 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: This is a statement he later reiterated. And so that's 133 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: that's the rally you may have heard about in the 134 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: new was yesterday and last night, and it was leading up. 135 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: It was all leading up to January six. This was 136 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: widely broadcast in various channels. Do you guys want to 137 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about what happened at the rally? 138 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if I was just like out of 139 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: the loop, but I didn't see the rally until after. 140 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: It's sort of in retrospect and hindsight. Matt, I believe 141 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: you you saw it when it was initially televised, or 142 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: you definitely took some really good notes on it. I 143 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: saw bits and pieces of it, but then today I 144 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: rewatched it, and I just want to discuss language and 145 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: something we talked about on this show a lot and 146 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: ideas and how a simple idea in someone's mind can 147 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: trigger action. And I just want to talk about some 148 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: of the statements Ben, you noted a bunch of them 149 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: that President Trump said while he was there at that rally, 150 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: again in extremely close proximity to the Capitol Building where 151 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: all of you know, the electoral process was happening. Um. 152 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: He he made a lot of statements there that were 153 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: specific to the concept that, you know, the United States 154 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: itself was under siege, he said. He used that phrase 155 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: under siege, UM, using the US versus them where they 156 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: rigged the election. They are stealing America right now. He 157 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: said something this, This is one specific quote, if we 158 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: allow this group of people to illegally take over our country. 159 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: And then he didn't finish that thought. He continued on 160 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: with with another statement. But I just want to talk 161 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: about making a statement like that to someone who UM 162 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: believes in you as a speaker, believes in you as 163 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: a leader, you are leaving open ended the the effect 164 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: you're leaving open ended the conclusion to that statement. So 165 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: in the listener's mind, the person there at that rally, 166 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: to the individual, you kind of fill that in, like, 167 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: if we don't go right now and we don't stop this, 168 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: then X is going to happen. And a lot of 169 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: a lot of times that becomes a worst case scenario situation, 170 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: at least in an individual's mind. And I think that's 171 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why this was We're going to 172 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: talk about it later, but why why the state some 173 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: of the statements made at that rally, we're so dangerous. 174 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: I'll see yeah to to um clearly dog whistle or 175 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: signal what you want to occur while also um while 176 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: while also phrasing it in such a way as to 177 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: avoid accountability for one's statements at a future date. It's 178 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: interesting too, because just a few days prior, we had 179 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: the leak of that phone recording of Trump talking to 180 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: our Secretary of State Raffensburger, where he similarly veiled language um. 181 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: He It's likely he's aware of the possibility of being taped, 182 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: and so he says things like help me out, guys, 183 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: give me a cut, cut me a break. All I 184 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: need is ten thousand votes, etcetera. Uh, and and he 185 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: speaks about these this idea of the election being stolen, um, 186 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: like a true believer, like he he really And that's 187 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: what makes it so difficult to separate, Like is he 188 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: actually threatening people? Is he actively spreading misinformation? Does he 189 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: really believe these things? Um? And I think that's a 190 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: really interesting part of this figure. Well, you know, unfortunately, 191 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: because he is the president and because he is you know, 192 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: a leader that has looked up to by you know, 193 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: millions of other people. When you say something like and 194 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: we fight, we fight like hell, and if you don't 195 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. 196 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: That that kind of statement, it's just dangerous. Or come 197 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: tomorrow it will be wild, which was another statement not 198 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: from the rally, but in advance of the rally. So 199 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: I yeah, I think you're making a good case regarding 200 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: the language there. And to be objective, there is not 201 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: an explicit call for violence on the on the president's side, 202 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: but the but there was an explicit call to march 203 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: to the capitol. Was the intent on the executive On 204 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: the executive end, was the intent to have a large, 205 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: peaceful demonstration outside the capital. While the certification process was ongoing, 206 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: or was the intent two physically disrupt the process. The 207 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: question of intent is one of the more difficult things 208 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: to prove in a court of law. But regardless, if 209 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: you guys are okay with it, I'd like to continue 210 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: through the timeline here, Yes, I absolutely. I will just 211 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: say one last thing, um Matt, to your point about 212 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: language and inciting. You know, you go from a statement like, uh, 213 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, we we fight, we fight like hell or 214 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: if we don't, we want have a country to some 215 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: of the statements you heard some of these marchers saying 216 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: to news reporters things like if our voices aren't heard 217 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: today tomorrow, we bring our muskets. You know. So it's 218 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: it's it's like, I don't know, it's it's hardly the 219 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: intent of the inciting moment is hard to discern, but 220 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: what happened is not hard to discern. And all of 221 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: the red flags that should have been seen months and 222 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: months in advance, Uh, it's it's shocking that they weren't. Yeah, 223 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, conspiracy Realist and a previous I 224 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: don't remember whether it was an episode or a strange 225 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: news segment I had. I had asked had I had 226 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: asked us in the crowd whether we considered some of 227 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: the recent actions leading up to yesterday, Uh, indicative of 228 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: an attempted coup. And now as we as we explore 229 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: the timeline blow by blow with you based on what 230 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: we know today, UH, I'd like to hold that question 231 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: in the front of your mind and see if your 232 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: if your answer has changed. So, at one pm in 233 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: the nearby capital, which I think as we abolished as 234 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: walking distance from the White House for any one unfamiliar 235 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: with the geography, Congress was counting and certified the electoral votes. 236 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: It is a It is a process that is so 237 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: um formalized and ceremonial that what you see happen is 238 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: people go state by state and repeat the same language 239 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: about this uh, about how this certificate looks legit. And 240 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: then at that point every for each state, the Vice 241 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: President of the time ask the floor whether there are 242 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: any objections. If they're none heard, then he just says 243 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: none heard and they move on. Uh. And as we said, 244 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: they had been counting on some they have been counting 245 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: on several objections, and they have people in advance UH 246 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: say that they would object. This is the last procedural 247 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: stop in the train before inaugurating the press it an 248 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: elect on January, and in this case it's Joe Biden. 249 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: But you know, in s the president elect was Donald Trump. 250 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: This just this happens regardless of political party. At the time. 251 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: Going into this, at least one House representatives and a 252 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: dozen GOP senators were expected to object to the results 253 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: of several states, including Arizona, Pennsylvania, and of course Georgia. Uh. 254 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: When we say expected, what we mean is they were 255 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: on record saying I'm going to object, So it's not hearsaying, 256 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: it's not speculation. The first objection, predictably, came from an 257 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: Arizona congressman, Republican Paul Gozer. He objected to the electoral 258 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: results of Arizona. Surprise. He was joined in this objection 259 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: by sixty GOP House members and seven of those aforementioned senators. 260 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: When these objections occur, this is going to be very 261 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: important later When these objects occur, here's what happens. This 262 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: is part of the process. The Senate and the House 263 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: of Representatives split. They go to their own physically separate 264 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: chambers to debate the objection, to weigh the credibility of this, 265 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: and this is when what I would call the first 266 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: turn of the day occurs. That's right at about one thirty, 267 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: police issued an order to evacuate UM both houses of 268 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: the Legislature as pro Trump supporters began to clash with 269 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: police outside of the Capitol building, and it started along 270 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: a perimeter and then gradually spilled out into actually breaching 271 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: the Capital steps, which which which public members of the 272 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: public are not allowed on. By the way, UM Forty 273 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: five minutes later at fifteen, Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma 274 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: was interrupted during his remarks with this information, and the 275 00:17:54,080 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: Senate was immediately pushed out into an emergency recess, forced 276 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: to take an emergency recess because these individuals, some of 277 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: whom could possibly be referred to as quote finger protesters, 278 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: other of which we'll get into the legist the legality 279 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: behind certain terms, but there are other terms for what 280 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: some of these people were. They had breached the actual building, 281 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: no metal detectors, no pat downs, nothing, absolutely breached the building. 282 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: And we're flooding into the sculpture Hall, I believe is 283 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: what it's called. Yeah, and this is right about the 284 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: time that at least I personally was glued to. It 285 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: was my phone and I was just watching a live 286 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: feed of this going down. And it wasn't really until 287 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: this moment around you know, one thirty two pm, uh 288 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of us across this country 289 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: were glued to some kind of media watching the events. 290 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: And what we're gonna do right now is take a 291 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: quick word from our sponsor and then we'll be right 292 00:18:54,280 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: back to go through what happened next. And we've returned 293 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: not just to the show, but to this timeline. The 294 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: Vice President Michael Pence is ushered away by security. It's 295 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: important to remember that at this point he is no 296 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: longer considered by many people in the crowd to be 297 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: an ally of the current president. The capital is on lockdown. 298 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: At two pm, President Trump hops on Twitter. This is 299 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: when he could still use Twitter, and he turns on Pence, 300 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: explicitly writing the following, Because this is serious, We're not 301 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: going to uh, I'm not going to do a silly voice. 302 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: At least says the following. Mike Pence didn't have the 303 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: courage to do what should have been done to protect 304 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: our country and our constitution, giving states a chance to 305 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: certify a corrected set of facts not the fraudulent or 306 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify USA 307 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: Man's the truth. Six minutes later, the mayor of d C, 308 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: Muriel Bowser, orders a six pm to six am curfew. 309 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: These curfews should be familiar with anybody who was living 310 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: in a major metropolitan area in the US during the 311 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: summer protests or the ongoing protests throughout twenty twenty. When 312 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: these curfews were vigorously enforced by authorities and multiple cities, 313 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: they were spoiler alert, not as rigorously enforced in this case, 314 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: which is just one small piece of a a larger question. 315 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: And by as in this case, you mean compared to 316 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: the summer when Black Lives Matter protesters were tear gased 317 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: on mass and essentially a mobilized a military force was 318 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: mobilized against them. Um, you know, and obviously there was 319 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: looting and there was bad behavior and there and there 320 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: were you know, there was violence, but it felt like 321 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: a very proportionate responses. All I'm gonna say, Yeah, not 322 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: just not just BLM protesting, that's a huge piece of it, 323 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: but also ongoing protest in Portland, Oregon, UH covered by 324 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: our covered extensively by friends of ours, especially Robert Evans 325 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: uh and his in his core who have done amazing work. Uh. 326 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: Trump is still on Twitter two thirty eight pm January 327 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: six when he tweets please support our capital police and 328 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: law enforcement. They are truly on the side of our country. 329 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: Stay peaceful. That's pre the video message. Correct. Yes, that 330 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 1: is correct, got it. I just I think it's worth 331 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: pointing out really quickly that like Pence has always been 332 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: like it's a seemingly unimpeachable uh huh no pun intended, 333 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: um confidante to Trump and someone who was just a 334 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: hard line follower and supporter of Trump. All it took 335 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: was this one moment for him to be dead to 336 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: the president. I just think that's interesting. And I can 337 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: remember somebody in the coverage that I was watching pointed 338 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: out that of of all of Trump's qualities, are things 339 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: that he values and holds most highly and dear is loyalty. 340 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: And the moment he sees someone as having breached his 341 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: loyalty or or betrayed his trust, they are immediately dead 342 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: to him. Um. And I think that's what you saw happen, 343 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: and that's why Mike Pence all of a sudden went 344 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: from being like Trump's guy to and target. Oh absolutely, 345 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: I mean because well it's it's indicative of a larger 346 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: pattern that we have seen throughout uh the past four years. 347 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: And this is not an opinion, this is a fact. 348 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: The turnover has been profound. Now, there are supporters of 349 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: the current administration who's who would argue that turnover was 350 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: necessary because these various officials were not doing their job. 351 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: That's that's one viewpoint that they would have. There's any 352 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: other viewpoint that they were fired because they were refusing 353 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: to uh disobey uh, you know, political norms or disobey 354 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: legal precedent. You know what I mean, That they were 355 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: fired because they refused to violate the terms of their job. 356 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: This yeah, bigger right now, This is really a culmination. 357 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: I don't think it's surprising to anyone who is paying 358 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: attention to this pattern. And now we get to it 359 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: between two and three pm, not just the nation, but 360 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: the world is glued to one screen or one speaker 361 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: or another as the capital is breached. This is the 362 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: first time the US capital has been overrun since eighteen fourteen, 363 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: when British forces invaded and burned the place down. And 364 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: I don't mean they started a cool rave or a 365 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: nice party. It was literally lit and not in an 366 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: enjoyable fashion. Was it destroyed to a significant degree and 367 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: then had to be rebuilt. Yeah, in eighteen fourteen there 368 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: was extensive damage. We have to remember the capital itself 369 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: was still under construction at that moment in time, and 370 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: it had been built with a lot of fireproof materials, 371 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, stone and so on. So uh, there was 372 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that was still preserved. But like 373 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: class was melted, Statues were destroyed, thing paper was burned, 374 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: of course, left and right. Uh. But the point about 375 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: this is this is not a normal thing and it 376 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: should not be normalized. It should not be taken as like, 377 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: oh wow, the guys were right when they said we 378 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: might look back on fondly. This is badge. And the 379 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: Senate was evacuated before before the chambers of the Senate 380 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: and the House were evacuated, people were like hunkering down 381 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: right Luckily for history, one Senate aid had the quick 382 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: thinking to the presence of mind, amit a crisis, which 383 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: is a hard thing to have one Senate age. She 384 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: grabbed the electoral certificates copies thereof because she was concerned 385 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: that the mob, the invading insurgents were aiming to physically 386 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: destroy the votes as a way of preventing the electoral 387 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: certification process, which to me is um not a very 388 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: well thought out plan. Well that's what I was gonna ask. 389 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 1: I mean, then we talked about the symbolic the symbolic 390 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: nature of this act. Uh, it's not like that would 391 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: have actually accomplished anything, right, I mean, it's it's it's 392 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: codified in records somewhere telling these are the only copies 393 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: and then when we have to start all over again 394 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: or what it would be more of a symbolic burning 395 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: or a symbolic stealing, just as much as this act 396 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: as a symbolic act, correct, you know, I just want 397 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: to say this is this is all about language and 398 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: what we're talking about the intentions of the people that 399 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: did end up going to the capital and actually going 400 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: inside and breaching it. As as we're talking about here, 401 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: they were told that they needed to stop it from happening, 402 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: and um, you know they were they were told a 403 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 1: lot of things that we're not directly, Hey go and 404 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: take those papers, you know, or you know, do anything, 405 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: don't hurt anybody. They were never told to physically hurt anyone, 406 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: but they were told that we have to be strong. 407 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: You have to show your strength. Well, um, you'll never 408 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: take back our country with weakness. You have to show 409 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: strength and you have to be strong. Um saying we 410 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn't happen. 411 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: You don't concede when they're s theft involved. Our our 412 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: country is haven't had enough. We will not take it anymore. 413 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: That's what this is all about. So it's just when 414 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: when you have all those things kind of in this 415 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: soup of thought that you've just instilled in everybody, when 416 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: there's physical action taking place, it's tough because you are 417 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,479 Speaker 1: you have to kind of you have to imagine that 418 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: what this is, what this is doing inside someone's head. 419 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: We can't see inside any individual's head, but we know 420 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: that this is pushing towards violence without saying physical violence. 421 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: And then you got group think that plays into it 422 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: pretty heavily. Or like you see one person jumping over 423 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: the rail, I'm gonna do that too. That sounds like 424 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: a great idea. Before you know, and everyone's following suit. 425 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: Then before you know what everyone's on the steps. Then 426 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: before you know what people watch, matching windows and escalating 427 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: because one person sees it follows the leader, you know, 428 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: not man not, you know, entirely calling into question these 429 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: people's humanity or intelligence. I mean, maybe some of them, 430 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: but the group thinking mob mentality is real, and I've 431 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: never seen it manifested in any clearer way than that footage. 432 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: That's a piece of it. But I don't I don't 433 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: buy the idea that it was spontaneous nor organic to 434 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: that degree. I have an excellent example of the kind 435 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: of phenomenon that I believe you're alluding to, Matt, and 436 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: I do not want to poison the well. I looked 437 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: into this and I was trying to find a good 438 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: one to one example of that phenomenon. Again, not the 439 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: characters involved. I'm not comparing the characters here. It's very important, folks. 440 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: I am comparing the say, ecological process. During the series 441 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: of attacks and murders collectively known as Helter Skelter today, 442 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: Charles Manson and the legal teams prosecuting him found themselves 443 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: in a very strange pickle because you see, Manson did 444 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: not himself physically attack or murder his victims. In fact, 445 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: there was a long conversation in jurisprudence here about what 446 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: it was that Manson specifically did. He had radicalized a 447 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: group of psychologically vulnerable people. Uh, he had pushed them 448 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: further and further towards extremism. And in interviews. But if 449 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: you don't believe me, you can pause this episode right now. 450 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: You can go to YouTube. You can watch the interviews 451 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: with Arles Manson on tape in prison where he says 452 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: that he did. I think he says, I didn't do 453 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: anything but write a couple of bad checks. I didn't 454 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: tell these people to kill somebody. I said if if 455 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: someone were to do it, if I were to do it, 456 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: I would leave. His specific quote is I would leave 457 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: something witchy. And so here we see and Matt, I 458 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: don't know if you agree. I'm trying to read your body, 459 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: your facial expression here, but I think that is a 460 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: good analogy, because Manson, per his account, did not specifically 461 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: tell people to do the things. I totally hear what 462 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: you're saying, and I can see the similarities there. For me, 463 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: this is of a lesser extent than that what the 464 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: President said, because he was extremely careful in a lot 465 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: of that. It was writing that line. This is why 466 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: it similar. It was writing the line between telling people 467 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: to go do something violent that's what I'm saying, or 468 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: or even saying a violent thing, because he's not a 469 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: violent thing. He's saying more abstract things like we have 470 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: to fight for our country. Our country is going to 471 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: be gone. You know, if we don't fight, we're gonna 472 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: lose the country. Um, they're taking over. We've gotta He's 473 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: not saying like we gotta go and stop this by 474 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: doing this or anything like that. Yeah, but keep in mind, 475 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're one of the most warlike countries 476 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: on earth, and we call the uh we we call 477 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: the the apparatus that wages many of these wars, the 478 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: Department of Defense. We know the language game. You're right, 479 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: because the individual maybe does not that's standing there in 480 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: that in that at that rally, does not fully understand that. 481 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: But that's the tricky part two when it comes to language. Um, 482 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: you can't really you can't really impart your own interpretation 483 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: of someone's intent if they're not actually outright saying the things. 484 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: So like the idea of sedition is to um incite 485 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: revolt or or a violent act against an authority, uh 486 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: figure lawfully elected authority or an institution um with the 487 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: intent a goal of destroying it. And you know, the 488 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: way Trump's supporters reacted to his words are one thing. 489 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: But Trump's words themselves, I think it might be hard 490 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: to pin something like sedition on his actual words in 491 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: this case. And to be clear, the last thing ben 492 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: to be clear, the last thing that was said by 493 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: the president. I'm gonna read this to be clear and 494 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: a bit fair here. Um. This is the statement, our 495 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have yet have not yet begun, 496 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: my fellow Americans, for our movement, our children, and for 497 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: a beloved country. And I say this, despite all that's happened, 498 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: the best is yet to come. We're going to walk 499 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: down Pennsylvania Avenue and we're going to the capital, and 500 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna try to give He said some stuff about Democrats. 501 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: He says, we're gonna try and give the Republicans the 502 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: kind of pride and boldness they need to take back 503 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: our country. So he is specifically saying we're going to 504 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: go support the Republicans. And then what what played afterwards? 505 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: That why m c a I thought he was he 506 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: was barred from using that. There have been a handful 507 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: of times where he's he's had songs of these using 508 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: rallies and the artists of issue seas in assists. For 509 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,479 Speaker 1: some reason, I thought why m c A was one 510 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: of them? Maybe the village people need the cash or 511 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: how do you even get cash from being played at 512 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: a rally? Does that work? It goes It goes back 513 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: to licensing and how never owns the rights of the times? Yeah, 514 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: off the times. It's not the artist spoiler. But in 515 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: the case of um illegal or in case of like 516 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: illegal use of a song, that kind of took a 517 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: back burner after what we're going to talk about, doubt. 518 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: So back to where we were, the Senate evacuated, things 519 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: are going down. Uh, there's this plan that what was 520 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: I going to say? Oh, so we have to put 521 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: in our requisite always stunny in Philadelphia reference, there's a 522 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: there's one episode I can't remember which one it is, 523 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: Folks tell us if you remember off the top of 524 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: your head. There's one episode where there's this running joke 525 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: that the folks, the hesitates to call them protagonists. The 526 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,959 Speaker 1: principal characters have always studying in Philadelphia are trying to 527 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: obliviate and invalidate signed contracts by eating them. And that's 528 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: like they're number one go to nuclear move and so 529 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: destroying physical copies of these votes like this, uh it is, 530 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: it's akin to that because it could delay the process 531 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 1: for sure. It could for sure, but it doesn't it 532 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: doesn't automatically invalidate what happened. And so the remaining members 533 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: of the House of Representatives are in a very bad spot. 534 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: They are told to take cover and to don gas 535 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: mask before they are being escorted out, and it wouldn't 536 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: be very clear. This is all sides of the political aisle, Democrat, Republican, Independent. 537 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: Everybody's getting evacuated. There's no one in the halls of 538 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 1: Congress who was like, this is super chill and cool 539 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: and I'm picking up some relaxed vibes. Does anybody have 540 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: a hostess cupcake? No, they're panicking and fearing for their 541 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: lives increasingly. If you see any of the photographs that 542 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: came out during that time, they're they're stunning. They're literally 543 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: people cowering as though there's an active shooter situation going on, 544 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: like ducking down behind these rows of seats that line 545 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: the hall um it's a it's a lot, it's a 546 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: lot to look at, and some of the invaders made 547 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: it to the Senate floor. We'll talk, we'll talk just 548 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: just a second. We'll rewind to talk about how this 549 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 1: entry occurred. But right now it's your point. Well, you 550 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: can see multiple images throughout this breach and occupation. You 551 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: can see law enforcement inside the house chamber, house of 552 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: reps chamber, guns draw and the doors barricaded. In fact, 553 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: recently I saw something that was pretty fascinating. There's one 554 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: now famous picture of people of law enforcement aiming guns 555 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: through the broken areas of a door. And then there's 556 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: another picture from the other side of like through the 557 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: whole of the of the people with the guns trained 558 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: and you can I mean, there's so many pictures. But 559 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: I think if we're now that we're mentioning the breach, 560 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: I think, if you guys are okay with it, we 561 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: need to talk a little bit about how that breach 562 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: went down, because this is supposed to be one of 563 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: the most secure buildings on in the country, right like 564 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 1: like in d c let alone in the country. I mean, 565 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: for I'm trying hard not to curse you guys, but 566 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, and I hope that makes your day 567 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: if anyone listening to this is named Pete for your sake, dude. Uh, 568 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: we like our studio is kind of hard to get into. Well, 569 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: we have to like if we if not or NOL 570 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: or Mission control or I forget our little security things, 571 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: then we have to figure out how to like call 572 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: one of our friends to come let us in. I mean, 573 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: I was up there recently with a with a with 574 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: a guy I'm working a show with and I had 575 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: left and we left at the same time, and I'm 576 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: I got home and he calls me and tells me 577 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: he left his keys in there, And it took an 578 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 1: hour and a half too for me to get someone 579 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: to I couldn't come back. I was I was occupied. 580 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: I had to call like a security I call secure, 581 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: had to call a security person who then had to 582 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: confirm his identity. Hey literally, I mean like with an 583 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: I D and then get confirmation through our office manager 584 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: from me to allow him and escort him into the 585 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: office to get his keys and then escort him out. So, Ben, 586 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 1: you talk about how did this breach occur? Like, isn't 587 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: it still kind of a mystery? Are we speculating here 588 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: because I feel like there's you know, there's a lot 589 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: of unknowns here as to how this breach occurred. Yeah, 590 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about all that coming up very soon. 591 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: Just to point out, we have a private security company 592 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: that works in our building where we have that office. 593 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: The Capital and the other government buildings within Washington, d C. 594 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: Have an entire police force of two thousand individuals that 595 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: work for them. When do they just get the day 596 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: off or something? There? The Capitol Police, they're the Metropolitan 597 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 1: look d C. When it comes to law enforcement and security. 598 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: Is this weird mixed tape of fiefdoms is probably the 599 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: best way to describe it. Um, what are we talking about? Though, 600 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: We'll tell you we're diving into the breach after a 601 00:37:54,120 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 1: word from our sponsors, we've returned. So there's a weird, 602 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: at times funny, at times tragic phenomenon that occurs when 603 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 1: multiple mainstream news outlets are covering the same story, they 604 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: start to use the same language. Sometimes this becomes an 605 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: example of a thought terminating cliche, and there's some information control. 606 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: And then sometimes it's just because people are pulling from 607 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: the same primary sources. Right, So one of the big 608 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: words that became very popular and widespread over the past 609 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,720 Speaker 1: twenty four hours. And if you read the right stuff, UH, 610 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: in the weeks leading up to this, that word was breach. 611 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: This Uh, this attack was brought to you by the 612 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:56,600 Speaker 1: letter B. Law enforcement has been roundly criticized as this began. 613 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: They were roundly criticized even before the mark to the 614 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,280 Speaker 1: capital for the quote unquote resistance they gave these riders, 615 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: these insurrectionists, if you can call it that. One of 616 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: the gates near the capitol was open when this, When 617 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 1: this group approached, UH, the mob was literally ushered in 618 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: by members of law enforcement police forces in some cases 619 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 1: not confirmed yet, but all. They also seemed to have 620 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 1: removed some barricades. UH. The extremists were removing their own 621 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 1: as well. They took down some others. You can see 622 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: the photos of these people climbing walls. That's not made up. 623 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: It's not photoshop. It happened, UH. And we can confirm 624 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 1: claims from numerous sources on from social media and from 625 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 1: on the ground observers. This was nowhere near the level 626 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: of security that that occurred at those earlier protests. In 627 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: nowhere near Like I don't I I don't even know 628 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: what the plan was on the part of law enforcement, 629 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 1: and a lot of the statements I don't know buy 630 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: you guys, But a lot of the statements I've seen 631 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: by law enforcement officials, uh in the wake of this event, 632 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: they're not super persuasive. They don't sound like a good plan. 633 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: I don't know. What do you guys think I would 634 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: agree with you ben it the numbers of law enforcement 635 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 1: in the area at the time, we're drawn down a bit, 636 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,240 Speaker 1: and I think this is what this would be my opinion. 637 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: I think the reaction to the earlier protests, the actions 638 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: that were taken as a result of those protests, um 639 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: to to draw down on the militant force of police 640 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 1: police departments across the country, at least that I believe. 641 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: I mean, you can look at Atlanta and look at 642 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: our police force, and look at a bunch of other cities, 643 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: including Washington, d C. And just see how much of 644 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: an impact these other protests have had throughout the year 645 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: and specific on you know, uh, the response of police 646 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: forces and things like calling in the National Guard, calling 647 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: in additional police departments for assistance. I think, in my opinion, 648 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 1: this was in a way of response to those earlier 649 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: protests or the response to the response of the protests. 650 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: I see trying to be um seeming like less belligerent. 651 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: Yes we're we're not. We're not coming out as a 652 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: militant police force to you know, stop you from from 653 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: protesting something. Um. But to the fact that everyone was white, 654 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: that's the big butt in of this scenario. I don't 655 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: think you can look at this objectively and fully think 656 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: what I just said, If that makes sense, I think 657 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 1: that's a portion of it. Yeah, we also have to consider, 658 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, um, this is something we'll explore further in 659 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: depth in part two of of our episode here. But uh, 660 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,240 Speaker 1: the factions that were assembled where they weren't all from 661 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: the same place. You know, there were organizations like the 662 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: so called Proud Boys, which I still it is just 663 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 1: such a terrible name just from a pr perspective. Their 664 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: white nationalists, supremacists, you know what I mean. And there 665 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: are also people who are not identified with those groups. 666 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, you'll see Confederate flags waving, You'll see Keepers. 667 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,439 Speaker 1: Isn't that another faction? Keepers was one yet And we 668 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,279 Speaker 1: have to acknowledge this. There are everyday American citizens who 669 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: are there who just believe in in the sitting president 670 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,800 Speaker 1: and the movement and the rhetoric and what is being stated. 671 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: They just believe. And they're not affiliated like you said. 672 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,040 Speaker 1: They they're just everyday people, even just just his policies, 673 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like something, I was talking 674 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 1: to my mom and we were at odds about a 675 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: lot of this stuff, and she now feels a little differently, 676 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,439 Speaker 1: but she said, I just liked his policies. I felt 677 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: like they were good for me and my money and 678 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: and and and things that are important to me. So, yeah, 679 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: that's what I was trying to say, uh, just a 680 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: second ago. Yeah, there are there are policies, and I 681 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: hope we did that with the I hope we did 682 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: that earlier in the episode where we said, you know, 683 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: not all of these people who attended a rally did 684 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 1: so with the plan of storming the capital of the 685 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: United States. It would be misleading to say that was 686 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: the case, But it would likewise be misleading, uh and 687 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: disingenuous to say that there weren't people showing up with 688 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,560 Speaker 1: that plan. And we'll tell you exactly why we know 689 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 1: that and why that has a proven fact just again 690 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 1: a bit later in this episode. So back to this breach. Yes, 691 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: one of the gates is open. Yes, members of law 692 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: enforcement again not all are are on tape are documented 693 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 1: assisting these folks, right and their entrance of the capital. Uh, 694 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,439 Speaker 1: the distance by law enforcement is nowhere near the level 695 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 1: of aggressiveness applied to earlier protests in in multiple cities, 696 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 1: as you said, Matt, and that that is simply factual. 697 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: The reasons for that there are a couple of possibilities. 698 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: That's the most diplomatic thing we can say. Uh, you know, 699 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,360 Speaker 1: is it race based? Is it a reaction to the 700 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: public outcry of the way that law enforcement had handled 701 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 1: previous protests. Is this something else? There was no initial 702 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: deployment of crowd dispersal techniques. We've talked about these in 703 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,879 Speaker 1: the past, No sonic weapons, no rubber bullets. Uh. This 704 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,399 Speaker 1: was in clear contrast to the treatment of earlier protesters. So, Matt, 705 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: maybe you're right, maybe that's maybe that's a piece of it. 706 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean, there was tear gas pretty early on, but 707 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 1: but it wasn't preached, it wasn't from law. The first 708 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: stuff was um not tear gas. There were some chemical 709 00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 1: ir attants dispersed pepper spray, spray, and then tear gas. 710 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,440 Speaker 1: Tear gas yes, yeah, and flash bangs and then and 711 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: the tear gas, the tear gas dispersal I think. Yeah, 712 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: as you said, mattic comes, it comes later in the timeline. 713 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 1: Certainly wasn't for the benefit of allowing a photo opportunity 714 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: to happen. Right. So where is the National Guard? You 715 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 1: might say? We have so many of them, because states 716 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: have their own national guards, and Washington, d C. Is 717 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 1: surrounded by you guessed it, states. Uh, the Capitol Police 718 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: and Metropolitan Police who were in place in advance of this. Uh, 719 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,239 Speaker 1: there is several hundred, but they're far less than we're 720 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 1: on duty at the BLM protests Black Lives Matter protests, 721 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 1: and they are far far outnumbered by the thousands of 722 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 1: people who are surrounding in an attempting to encroach upon 723 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 1: the capital h On Tuesday, the day before this all happened, 724 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: the mayor announced DC Metro Police would the lead agency, 725 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: and they coordinate with the Capitol Police, US Park Police, 726 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,879 Speaker 1: and the Secret Service. They got some limited support from 727 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: the DC National Guard three hundred and forty people, I think, 728 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,719 Speaker 1: but those folks were unarmed. What their job was They 729 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: were supposed to help with traffic flow, because as anybody 730 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 1: has been in the Beltway you can tell you, uh, 731 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: DC traffic is terrible. Um, last time Matt, you and 732 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 1: I were up there, we we were very fortunate to 733 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: have a friend on the ground drove us around, in 734 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: part for us because we didn't know what the hell 735 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: was going on. It's very true and that that number 736 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: three forty is we're going to talk about. It was 737 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: much fewer than the number of National Guard that would 738 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: generally be you know, sent out in that area as 739 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,359 Speaker 1: a response. And according to officials, the reason why there 740 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,919 Speaker 1: were so few members of the National Guard actually sent there, 741 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 1: and the reason that they were unarmed was because of 742 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: the response to earlier protests. At least that's that's what's 743 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: been stated. And and if I'm not mistaken, there is 744 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 1: also a bit of a discrepancy as to the timeline 745 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: of when they were called upon, like there there was 746 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:08,920 Speaker 1: there was a report that I heard early on that 747 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,799 Speaker 1: the the President was refusing to call upon them or 748 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: or something like that. Like there, there was definitely a 749 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: bit of a late to the party situation. Then ultimately 750 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,959 Speaker 1: I believe it was Pence that called upon them. Yeah, 751 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,919 Speaker 1: I found this outing confirmed it on Twitter yesterday. So 752 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,439 Speaker 1: the uh, if you look at the Defense dot gov 753 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,399 Speaker 1: and the PR releases, UM, while there was still sort 754 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,920 Speaker 1: of a fog of war and immediate you know, disaster 755 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:43,440 Speaker 1: clouding our access to information. If you go online, UM, 756 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: I posted this bim bowl in HSW on Twitter dot com. 757 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 1: You can see a statement by Acting Secretary Miller on 758 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,359 Speaker 1: how the DC National Guard was fully activated. They did 759 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,720 Speaker 1: not speak with President Trump. They spoke with Vice President Pence, 760 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,840 Speaker 1: as well as HOW Speaker Nancy Pelosi, UH, Leader Mitch McConnell, 761 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: Senator Schumer, and Representative Hoyer. And those are the folks 762 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 1: who greenlit this. UH. The President was not involved in 763 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 1: the conversation. Possibly UH for any number of reasons, some 764 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,560 Speaker 1: more plausible than others, all at the present moment speculative. 765 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 1: And it's very important for us to say that because 766 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: what we've recounted so far, folks, are the facts. This 767 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,480 Speaker 1: is what happened. We've given time stamps where applicable and available. 768 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,319 Speaker 1: We know that was originally reported to your point, Noel, 769 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: that the current president refused to authorize it, or like 770 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: the d O D refused to authorize it. But per 771 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: the d O D s own statements. It was indeed 772 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:51,440 Speaker 1: Vice President Pence who authorized and questions about how this occurred, 773 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,879 Speaker 1: how this transpired, remain unanswered as we record today, which 774 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,160 Speaker 1: brings us to one crucial point we need to make 775 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 1: in today's episode. So we were learning about this and 776 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 1: the actual events at this same time, a lot of 777 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,640 Speaker 1: people across the planet were and like it seems that 778 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 1: we like multiple intelligence agencies like multiple uh excellent journalists 779 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: like multiple like Ukrainian news services knew what knew this 780 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:27,280 Speaker 1: was going to happen. We had been like basically everybody 781 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,560 Speaker 1: except for the folks in charge of law enforcement in 782 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:36,280 Speaker 1: d C. We knew something. There was a huge likelihood 783 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 1: of something chaotic happening. But this is ongoing, and so 784 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,799 Speaker 1: when we go to part two of this, we're going 785 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: to be talking about things as best we can in 786 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 1: in a factual manner based on what we can prove. 787 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: We're going to introduce some of the speculation. Some of 788 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 1: this speculation may well be answered by the time this 789 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,800 Speaker 1: episode comes out on our second episode comes out on Monday, 790 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,399 Speaker 1: January tenth. All the things that you just said, Ben, 791 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,439 Speaker 1: I think really begged the question. Like we were talking 792 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,320 Speaker 1: off air, I mean, there's more security on that building 793 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,799 Speaker 1: in peak tourist season, you know, than there is than 794 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,840 Speaker 1: there was that day. So to me and we we've 795 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: all kind of chime in on this a little bit, 796 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,279 Speaker 1: it begs the question like who knew what when? And 797 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,160 Speaker 1: did people do things on purpose to allow this to happen? 798 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: People in power. Yeah, we're gonna talk about that next week. 799 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 1: We would just ask that over the weekend, keep your 800 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 1: ear to the ground into whatever you know, eight news 801 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,600 Speaker 1: sources you choose to to get your information from. Uh, 802 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,240 Speaker 1: just just keep listening, keep watching, and we'll talk about 803 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: it together on Monday. And you all know this, but 804 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,799 Speaker 1: I mean, just diversify your news sources. You know, like 805 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,759 Speaker 1: you said, there's an echo chamber effect when you have 806 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: live coverage of things like this, where even whether parallel 807 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,839 Speaker 1: thinking or uh like the thought term in cliche term, 808 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,040 Speaker 1: start getting kind of overlap happing. So I think it's 809 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,879 Speaker 1: important to have a diversity of perspective on these things 810 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,800 Speaker 1: and just you know, make up your own mind. And 811 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 1: I'd like to give a personal thank you to all 812 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 1: of the people who were literally risking life and limb 813 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,080 Speaker 1: to report on this from the ground. Uh, the excellent 814 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,719 Speaker 1: work by outfits like Pro Publica, the excellent work at Bellancat, 815 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,640 Speaker 1: the excellent work by some of our pure podcasters. In 816 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,839 Speaker 1: this regard, we want to hear from you, We want 817 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,320 Speaker 1: to hear your experience, and we are exploring this further 818 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 1: an episode two. Odds are that some of the things 819 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,640 Speaker 1: you may have asked yourself listening along today's episode are 820 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 1: going to be answered or explored an episode two. 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