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Speaker 1: The stag Cracker. We will sue you.

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Speaker 2: Then welcome thee.

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Speaker 3: This is like the return of casual Friday. I feel

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Speaker 3: like we haven't done any of that since like pre Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 3: and now we get back to casual Friday. I've got

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Speaker 3: five Era eight. I've got eight stream of consciousness questions,

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Speaker 3: like what the hell is gonna happen in the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three baseball season? Jack, Peter arm the three of

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Speaker 3: us on the Just Baseball Show here on January six. Guys,

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Speaker 3: are you ready to just like take a peek into

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Speaker 3: my mind and wonder what the burning questions are going

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Speaker 3: into March thirty in Opening Deck one of.

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Speaker 2: My favorite minds because you just never know what's gonna

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Speaker 2: come out of it. It could be a conspiracy theory

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Speaker 2: about soccer. It could be about Von Grissom. You never know.

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Speaker 4: Right on, Yeah, it could be where Blae Madris factors

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Speaker 4: into the Astros now that they picked him up.

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Speaker 2: It's Bla, It's not blee blee.

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Speaker 4: Oh that that also sorry, real quick, just waiting. There's

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Speaker 4: a part of his brain that is dedicated towards just

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Speaker 4: waiting to pounce on people's mispronunciations, Like I think that's

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Speaker 4: twenty percent of Jack's brain. It's just waiting.

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Speaker 2: Well, the other.

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Speaker 3: Eighty percent is just pure unveiled asshole. So oh, I

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Speaker 3: would say, like'sation thing. Yeah, so I'd say I'm just

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent asshole? Is that is that one of

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Speaker 3: those fort minor lyrics? I'm one hundred percent asshole.

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Speaker 2: There's two percent in there that's got a lot of

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Speaker 2: love in it. Yeah, I'm on Jack, Let's go baby.

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Speaker 3: No, but I'm gonna take you all the way from

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Speaker 3: Hobbier Baias to Jason Hayward uh to Austin Riley.

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Speaker 2: You guys excited? We should we should kind of do

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Speaker 2: this the next couple of Fridays, like next Friday. Maybe

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Speaker 2: all bring some just questions that I have no idea about.

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Speaker 2: Want your guys' opinion, I think, yeah, mine is disgusting.

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Speaker 4: I'll bring you some questions.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be all about like weather forecasts for ops,

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Speaker 2: and then Arm's gonna bring like do we really think

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Speaker 2: the thirtieth rank prospect in the Angels is better than

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Speaker 2: the twenty.

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Speaker 4: Seven I mean we just we just talked about it

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Speaker 4: before we recorded. James Outman at twenty sixth via fangrafts

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Speaker 4: in the Dodger system. Criminal? Absolutely? Did I say that right?

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Speaker 4: By the way, Jack James Outman, did I pronounce that right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, you're good. Arm, thanks for checking.

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Speaker 4: No, I just want to make sure he was waiting, dude.

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Speaker 2: All right? Uh yeah, So Arm, how about this? How

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Speaker 2: about Peter? You go next Friday, Arm, you go to

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Speaker 2: Friday after that, and there we go. We have a trend.

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Speaker 3: Fair look at that, Look at that content, Look at us? Yes,

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Speaker 3: who would have thought?

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Speaker 2: Well, every other baseball podcast does like once or twice

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Speaker 2: a week. We're four days a week hammering the questions

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Speaker 2: that everyone wants to know.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, like my first one? Who has a higher

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Speaker 3: f war this year? Von Grissom or Javier Bias?

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Speaker 2: Ram you go first? Yeah, Arm, you go first, because

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Speaker 2: you posted an incredible thread basically saying von Grissom on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: If you aren't following Arm on Twitter yet, what the

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Speaker 2: hell are you doing? But that's another story about von Grissom,

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Speaker 2: and that's key here.

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Speaker 3: Before you do that, let me just say Javier Bias

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Speaker 3: Grissom had a point seven f war in forty one games,

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Speaker 3: so one hundred and three fewer games, and he had

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Speaker 4: This is like the one of the best terrible questions

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Speaker 4: I think I've ever been asked. I'll just before we

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Speaker 3: I think Peter has tweet notifications on for you and I.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which is which is great, so that they

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Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on Young Rock on NBC.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds terrible, that sounds fair, but so von Grisson.

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Speaker 2: I like how you broke it down in terms of

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Speaker 2: swinging at everything everything. Javier bay is be sent to

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Speaker 3: A couple of notes here, Javier Baia's had a two

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what brings down that average exit velocity

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Speaker 4: You know what's so frustrating about him, and we've talked

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Speaker 4: have to swing at seventy percent of pitches, which is

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Speaker 4: what he swings at, and you have to chase forty

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Speaker 4: I think I've ever seen in my entire life ever ever,

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Speaker 4: This guy's this guy's a great baseball player. That's why

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Speaker 4: we've seen it.

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Speaker 2: In flashes highest ground ball rate of his career last year,

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Speaker 4: Only seventy percent of all pitches seven out of ten

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Speaker 4: pitches hurled his way. He swung at like, think about that,

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Speaker 4: curveballs seventy one percent of curveballs and look at the

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Speaker 3: A real underdog story that Hobby Baia's was a two

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Speaker 3: needed it. I want you to rank these five guys

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Speaker 2: I hate this.

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Speaker 3: Large noutbar Dylan Carlson, Tyler O'Neill, Brendan Donovan, Nolan Gorman

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Speaker 3: who are you giving the pre orb extension to noot Bar, Carlson, O'Neill,

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Speaker 3: Donovan Gorman. I think O'Neill's already an arbitration.

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Speaker 2: Uh okay, I wrote him down. I just there's there's

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Speaker 3: They're almost all the exact same in my mind, Like internally,

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Speaker 2: So O'Neill. O'Neill is the highest ceiling, but the lowest floor,

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Speaker 3: I gave you two really volatile guys and very steady

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Speaker 2: But Carlson I just in center field. He's going to

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Speaker 2: play incredible defense no matter what. But Donovan could play

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Speaker 2: New Bar is good and we've seen him in videos.

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Speaker 4: It's one of my favorite.

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Speaker 2: He looks jacked.

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Speaker 2: I think new but we know the Cardinals. They're not

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Speaker 2: they're a huge market. Yeah, you go first.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Okay, So I'm with both you guys

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Speaker 2: I think that Lars Nubar has like a real chance.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go carl I'm gonna go Carlson two, just

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Speaker 3: He's Tommy Edmund light right now. The glove is not there,

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Speaker 3: go Tyler O'Neill four because I think there is a chance,

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Speaker 4: I feel bad. I feel like I'm so mean about

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Speaker 4: Nolan Gormant because like he could still be a fine

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Speaker 2: Am I crazy for saying Tyler O'Neal one, No, No,

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Speaker 2: you're not. That's the thing. All these guys are all changeable.

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Speaker 2: One through five. Tyler O'Neill could be an MVP candidate.

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Speaker 2: I don't see MVP candidate in any of these guys.

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Speaker 2: That's what I would give it to O'Neil, probably number

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Speaker 4: I'll buy you some more time, Peter, because there's a funny,

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Speaker 4: funny because you know Jack, It's kind of it's almost

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Speaker 4: So I just bought you some more time to think, Peter,

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Speaker 3: I think that's the first time I've ever been called conservative,

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Speaker 4: A go O'Neill won.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Carlson two over new Bar even though

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Speaker 2: I believe the breakout will continue. I just think Carlson

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Speaker 4: That I'm a little nervous about O'Neil health wise and

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Speaker 4: Just such a wide range of outcomes for me. I'm

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Speaker 4: Carlson is like a full two years younger than Brendan Donovan.

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Speaker 4: And that's the crazy thing is like if Carlson was

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Speaker 2: And a bitch as long as you admit it. See, okay,

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Speaker 2: hold on, let me let me just say.

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Speaker 3: Arham realized he had an identical list to me, so

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Speaker 4: But is that was that actually the same list? You

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Speaker 4: I get it, but that's what Peter's list.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the gloves anymore. Gorman one, O'Neill two,

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Speaker 3: All right, So before we move on, I pulled up

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Speaker 3: the Steamer projections on fangrafts. Four of these five guys

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Speaker 2: Sat number one.

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Speaker 3: Donovan and Carlson have a two point eight f war projected,

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Speaker 3: O'Neal and newtbar at two point six, and Gorman's at

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Speaker 5: Uh O'Neill, I'm gonna go Lars Team Japan's finest Lars

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Speaker 3: Donovan next at one twenty, O'Neil at one seventeen, Carlson

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Speaker 2: Gorman at one o nine or under next year over under.

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Speaker 4: I think he gets one oh nine because they literally

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Speaker 2: And if this is your fifth best position player. That's

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Speaker 4: I don't know why they him, because a lot of

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Speaker 3: He he should be playing every day, He should be

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Speaker 3: one lower ERA this year, Lucas Gioledo or Jose Barrios.

433
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Speaker 3: Lucas Gioledo had a four to nine oh e R,

434
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Speaker 3: a four to two three expected ERA, and a four

435
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Speaker 3: h six FIP. But his stuff is not as good

436
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Speaker 3: as Barrios. Barrios when he did throw strikes, it was

437
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Speaker 3: down the dick, send me into oblivion. He had a

438
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Speaker 3: five two three ERA, a five to one one x

439
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Speaker 3: e r A and a four or five five FIP.

440
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Speaker 3: Who has the better year?

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Speaker 1: Ugh?

442
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 3: Ugh.

443
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: Both pitchers have upside, and we saw the downside of both.

444
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: The thing that is helping Gilito. But again I was

445
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: about to say division, but the schedules won't reflect that anymore.

446
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: So throw that out the window. That Brios has got

447
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Speaker 2: to throw against a least competitions in tiny little ballparks,

448
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 2: while Gilito gets to go to Detroit and Kansas City

449
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 2: and play in those type of ballparks. I I don't

450
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Speaker 2: really have an answer that's based on statistics. This is

451
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Speaker 2: more of a gut feel. I do think Barrios is

452
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Speaker 2: gonna turn it around. I do. That doesn't mean that

453
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Speaker 2: I don't think Giolito can. I just think Rios has

454
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 2: a little bit more upside, and I just feel like

455
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: that was a freak year first year with the team.

456
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: Julian has been on the white Sex now for a while.

457
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Speaker 2: Give me Brios to have the lower era here.

458
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 4: But I could be convinced arm I'm trying my best.

459
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, because of what are you going to back it

460
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: up with stats? Like they're both.

461
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 4: Take this stat for you his Jose Berrios four seam

462
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 4: fastball last year obliterated. Is there a word worse than that?

463
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 2: Mutilated?

464
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 4: I think worse three point fifty four four ten six

465
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Speaker 4: fifteen slash line. That's a oney twenty four ops.

466
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Speaker 2: I think that was Paul Goldschmit's exact such slasht.

467
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Speaker 4: Literally yeah, better better literally. If Jose Barrios is fastball

468
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Speaker 4: allowed was a player, it would be the consensus unanimous

469
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Speaker 4: MVP Ony twenty four ops hitting three point fifty four,

470
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 4: so sinker was a little bit better for him. He

471
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 4: was at the point where he was throwing his curveball

472
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 4: more than any other pitch last year, if you factor

473
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Speaker 4: the fastball and the sinkers two different pitches. The thing

474
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 4: with with Barrios is it wasn't health related last year

475
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 4: as far as we know, right he's thrown ninety four.

476
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 4: With Giulito, it kind of seems like it's health related, right,

477
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's what it seemed like to me.

478
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 4: I know Jack watched, you know, more Giolito starts, But

479
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 4: to me, I saw a guy that had his stuff

480
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 4: diminished and nibbled more. And that's always more concerning to me. Barrios,

481
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 4: I don't know what diminished. He didn't nibble though, he

482
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 4: just threw it right down in the middle. I Barrios

483
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Speaker 4: is more talented. I think Giulito is a little bit

484
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Speaker 4: safer because I think you can pencil in Giolito for

485
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Speaker 4: like a four something, whereas Barrios could be anywhere from

486
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Speaker 4: a low threes to a high fives. That was depending

487
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Speaker 4: on the high two's. Yeah, I mean, if he's totally right, Yeah,

488
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say Barrios figures this shit out. They have

489
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 4: so much technology now, dude, just just change the shape

490
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 4: of that shit, throw it different, throw a sink or

491
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 4: do something else. I'm gonna go Jose Berrios, but not

492
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: with much confidence.

493
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 3: Sometimes you just got to go to bed and start

494
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 3: the next day, right. Like, sometimes a day just sucks

495
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 3: and it's like, Okay, I'm gonna go to sleep and

496
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wake up tomorrow and try again. I think

497
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 3: that was Jose Barrios's twenty twenty two season. I think

498
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 3: that season just sucked. It's snowballed on him. Five days

499
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: felt like two days between starts, and I think he

500
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 3: probably slept for twelve hours a night for the first

501
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 3: couple of weeks of the offseason and was just like,

502
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,719
Speaker 3: you know what, let's figure this shit out again. Gi Aledo.

503
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 3: For how much I've watched Lucas Giolito, I still can't

504
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 3: figure that dude out. Like, and I can't figure out

505
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 3: how he was considered a top ten pitcher in the game. Obviously,

506
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: the numbers backed up that he was a top ten

507
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: pitcher of the game at one point and one point recently,

508
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 3: but the amount of changeups I see down the.

509
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: Dick from Lucas Gilio and that's his best pitch.

510
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, so best pitch this past year had

511
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: a two forty eight batting average against at a WOLBA

512
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 3: three forty. That's not sustainable at all. Like, I think

513
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 3: this dude actually turns into t ball sometimes that I

514
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 3: watch him and Jose Barrios. It was just this year

515
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 3: because he was leaving middle middle fastballs to the world's

516
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 3: best players. I think if Barrios does anything better, he's

517
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: better than Gilito, because I just don't I don't see

518
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: a world where Gilito all of a sudden unlocks that

519
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 3: confidence that had his stuff uptick and had his execution flawless.

520
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 4: The fastball Veilo down one point three miles per hour.

521
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: I mean, like it was just there were starts that

522
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 3: he rolled out there and he was a nothing burger.

523
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: It was brutal. I was going to go on a

524
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: home road split Skuy with Brion, you know, he's he's entering,

525
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 2: you know, a new country. And then in the back

526
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: of my mind, I was thinking to myself, wait a minute,

527
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: you were on him or against him on the road.

528
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, let me go check

529
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: just the splits to see if I was the back

530
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: of my head voice was correct, and to not give

531
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: him the benefit of the doubt of entering a new country,

532
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: you know, first year with the team, and man, was

533
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 2: I right?

534
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,239
Speaker 5: Uh?

535
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: He had a four two four e ra A at

536
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: home games in Little Toronto versus a six three six

537
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 2: E ra A away from the Rogers Center. So it

538
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with going to a new country

539
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: plague in the Rogers Center. It had all to do

540
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: with I don't know the road terrible.

541
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: I want to I want to get a Blue Jay

542
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 3: on the pod because I got to ask if they

543
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: go through customs every time?

544
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: It's got to suck.

545
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 4: They got right, but.

546
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: Like do they have their own you know, attendant? Like

547
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: do they have when they have the charge?

548
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 4: That would be a deal breaker for me. That ass

549
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 4: would be a deal breaker.

550
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: On the pod. Or like they'll probably have global entry

551
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: or some shit.

552
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 3: So I I bet they're fine, But like I I

553
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 3: do want to ask a Blue Jay if if they

554
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 3: have to go through customs every time?

555
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should get Jordan Romano on the pod. Jordan

556
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 2: Romano have you seen his home road splits last year?

557
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, he loves Canada, right.

558
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm pulling them up right now. I think he did love. No,

559
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: he loved, he loved, Yeah, he loved Canada. One point

560
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: one zero e ra A twenty two saves, zero eight

561
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: whip three one six e RA on the road one

562
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: two four whip.

563
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 4: It's bizarre him emburyos.

564
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, well fucking don't come back if you don't

565
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: like us.

566
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: All right, thanks?

567
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: Next one Monday, April third, the Astros are hosting the

568
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: Detroit Tigers after wrapping up After wrapping up a four

569
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Speaker 3: game set against the White.

570
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: Sox, who throws the first.

571
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: Pitch of the game for the Houston Astros, Because you

572
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: have to assume that four game set is Valdez on

573
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: opening day, Javier game two, mccullor's Game three, Luis Garcia

574
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: Game four. Is it Jose Arkety or is it the

575
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: start of the full season in the rotation for Hunter Brown.

576
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: If it's not Hunter Brown, what are you doing? I

577
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: was almost thinking it's gonna be Luis Garcia, because Brown's

578
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: gonna be the four.

579
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 4: It's got to be Brown. It's got to be Brown, right,

580
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 4: Like Jose Erkedy, He's another guy that we're unreasonably hard on,

581
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 4: Like he's a very solid big league starter. Yeah, but

582
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 4: it's it's it's it's got. If it's not Hunter Brown,

583
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 4: I don't know what we're doing here. It's gotta be

584
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 4: Hunter Brown.

585
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: But they weren't willing to depart with Urkty for Wilson

586
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: Contreras at the deadline, like they obviously really like Urkety.

587
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: It's insane to me.

588
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the craziest I think that. I think

589
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 4: that was because they didn't want to cut into Malody's

590
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 4: playing time. I don't know. I don't know about that one,

591
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 4: but I would put a lot of money on it

592
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: either being Hunter Brown and if it's not Hunter Brown,

593
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 4: it's Luis Garcia, like Peter said, because Hunter Brown is

594
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 4: the four. But I don't know how they want where

595
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 4: they want to sandwich the rookie in there. In terms

596
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 4: of chronology of who I think is going to be

597
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 4: the best next year, I think there's a very legitimate

598
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 4: chance that, like he's their third best starter, Hunter Brown.

599
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: Is yea Vale Javier Brown mm hmm, yeah, or better

600
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: than Javier. No, No, let's run it back.

601
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 4: Let's run it back on this one.

602
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: Can't can't, can't cut have the take yet? Gotta wait, right, Jack.

603
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: I gotta wait till he's inducted in Cooperstown.

604
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: I guess yeah.

605
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Speaker 3: I like Brown kind of over the volatility of what

606
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: Lance mccullors could be, right, Like mccullors could absolutely lead

607
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: baseball and walks again.

608
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: Our Rivier's Javier is projected a four E ra by Fangrafts.

609
00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: Oh no, so yeah, so they're a side. Yeah, print

610
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: the shirts. Christian Javier sucks.

611
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: He's so good. Damn it, that was so bad. X sucks?

612
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: All right?

613
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: Who gets more at bat's arm? Leighton, Eric Cosmer or

614
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: Matt Nervis?

615
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: Oh good luck.

616
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 4: Let me let me put this in the most simple

617
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 4: way I can. If Eric Hosmer has more plate appearances

618
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 4: than Matt Mrvis in twenty twenty three, the Chicago Cubs

619
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 4: are an absolute joke. It's it's that simple. If Eric

620
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 4: Osmer is anything shy of an insurance policy, then I

621
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 4: have no idea what the Chicago Cubs are doing. I

622
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 4: didn't mind the signing, in the idea of okay, actually

623
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 4: be real, you mind no, just mind it. No, I'll

624
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 4: tell you I don't mind it. If he does this.

625
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 4: If he plays first base to spell Mervis who you know,

626
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 4: they don't know how good he's going to be defended.

627
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna be fine because I watched him

628
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: play third on the Cape and he pitched. He's a

629
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 4: good athlete. But if he has a little bit of

630
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: a learning curve at first, Okay, you got Hasmer, who's

631
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 4: a good defender. He's won gold gloves there. Also, Hosmer

632
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 4: is a guy that weirdly has like reverse s blitz

633
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: or at least hits left as well. He could do

634
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 4: that if he's an insurance policy. It's fine if you

635
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 4: are burying Matt Nervis or I you know, I read like, oh,

636
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 4: this could allow them to start Matt Nervis and triple A.

637
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 4: That would be a g would be a because the

638
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 4: one thing I will say, and that you can go

639
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 4: listen to the call up episode. You know, I promise

640
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 4: Matt Murvis will take his assignment and do it whatever

641
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: they tell him to do. But I know that he

642
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 4: feels very confident and very good in what he did

643
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 4: last year, and he felt like he proved enough by

644
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 4: the end of last year to be in the big leagues.

645
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 4: Right remember talking about this about m J Melendez last

646
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 4: season as well. Right, What kind of message are you

647
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: sending if a guy performs the way that that Matt

648
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 4: Nervis did and all the way through the year, send

649
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: him to the Arizona fucking Fall League, even though he's

650
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 4: gassed after hitting forty pumps, and he rakes there too,

651
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 4: which seemingly to try to convince them to play him

652
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: an opening day, and then you start that guy in

653
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 4: triple A. What kind of message does that send to

654
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 4: Pete crow Armstrong, or to Brendan Davis, or to the

655
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: other guys in the organization, especially when the Cubs are

656
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 4: trying to be better now. But I don't even know

657
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 4: if if Hosmer is your best foot forward. I put

658
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 4: a lot of money on Nervous having a higher WRC

659
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: plus than.

660
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 2: Hawsmervis makes them better now, yes, like Hasber doesn't make

661
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: them better now. So if you're playing to be better now,

662
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: play Matt Nervis. If you want to play your young

663
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: your young prospects, play Matt Murvis exactly.

664
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: There's no there's no correct answer. Yeah, on the Osmer.

665
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: Side, I want to go back to your point of

666
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: what does that say to other guys you just named

667
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: Pete crow Armstrong, who is a golden ticket guy, Like

668
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 3: the only person stopping Pete Kroh Armstrong is going to

669
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: be Pete kraw Armstrong. But what does it say to

670
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: the non golden ticket prospects from around the league?

671
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: And MJ.

672
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 3: Melendez was not a golden ticket prospect, right, Bobby Witt was.

673
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: That's why he was on the opening day roster.

674
00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: MJ was not.

675
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: What that tells you about non golden ticket prospects is

676
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 3: that it literally doesn't matter what you do, Like there

677
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: are guys ahead of you on the totem pole, and

678
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if you have the best run producing

679
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: season of minor league baseball, like you are the best

680
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: power bat in minor league baseball. Here we go, we're

681
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: having this conversation back to back years. Melendez in twenty two,

682
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: Mervis in twenty three. Melendez was the minor league home

683
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: run king, Mervis was the minor league arbiking, And we're

684
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: having this conversation that it still might not have been

685
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: enough for their parent club.

686
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 2: You guys want to know the answer though it's.

687
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 4: Osmar, you think it's Osma.

688
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: What do you think is going to happen? Like, realistically,

689
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: we know what we do, but we also know the Cubs, right, Like,

690
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: so I want you to separate, Like we all know

691
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: Mervis should get more at bats, should get tripled at

692
00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: bats of Hosmer. But right, I do think Osmer it's

693
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 2: more at bats than.

694
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 4: I am nervous about that because they also have Pat Wisdom, Right,

695
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 4: who's going to eat into some of the dh he was?

696
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's insane, And also like is there

697
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: a part of me because here's the thing they're paying.

698
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 4: They're paying Hosmer or the league minimum, right, and I

699
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 4: think I didn't see the contract details. I assume it's

700
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 4: the league minimum.

701
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 2: No, it's more a hundred million.

702
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 4: A hundred million, but you know, like for a league

703
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 4: minimum that guy on your bench who you know can

704
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 4: play a good first like that, that's fine. He hasn't

705
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: been the worst hitter in baseball. He's been technically above

706
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 4: league average. So like, from that perspective, fine addition, but

707
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 4: I almost wonder if it's like part of the front,

708
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 4: if they don't start nervous at the big league level

709
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 4: to to just say, hey, yeah, we you know we

710
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 4: have Hosmer. Now we want nervous to get you know

711
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 4: a little bit more ready defensively at first base and

712
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 4: get more comfortable there so when he comes up he

713
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 4: can play every day. I like Chris Bryant, Right, is

714
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 4: this the first step of blatant service time manipulation? Well, like,

715
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put my tinfoil hat on here, like if

716
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 4: if if Hosmer is the starting first baseman, and they

717
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 4: use that as a reason to put nervis and triple A,

718
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 4: say we're good for right now? Can you call it

719
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 4: anything other than service time manipulation?

720
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: No, Hasmer was a blow average defender last year. Yeah,

721
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: getting it better.

722
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's gonna have it. It's gonna click for him

723
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: at thirty thirty two to thirty three.

724
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: Thirty percent tile and that it's above average thirty.

725
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the ball carries more in Chicago, so when

726
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 4: he one hops it in the first balance, it might

727
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 4: get over the wall. He might have more ground World doubles.

728
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: We're playing tennis.

729
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, Eric Hosmers signed for one year seven to twenty,

730
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: which is the new league minimum. I love the escalating

731
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 3: new league minimum. It's like something new to add, right.

732
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: I was thinking, oh, well, he got seven to twenty.

733
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: Why when the minimum seven hundred? No, the minimum is

734
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 3: seven twenty also, do you think that is the first

735
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: free agent deal that Scott Boris has ever negotiated under

736
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: a million dollars in aav He ANSWER's the first question, yeah,

737
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: but also like seven hundred and twenty thousand dollars to

738
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: play baseball. That's awesome, so incredibly high.

739
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 4: For a minute, I love it. It's so good. That

740
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 4: was one of the best things that they could have done,

741
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 4: because you know, like you probably talk about this with

742
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 4: Taylor Davis, like talking to some of the guys in

743
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 4: the upper miners. They're just like, yeah, man, you know,

744
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 4: I get up there for a couple of weeks, that's

745
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: more than I made the whole year in the minor leagues,

746
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 4: you know, just with the pro rated salary. So these

747
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 4: guys are just amped to get up there for a

748
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 4: little bit. And that's why when people are always like, oh,

749
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 4: they're going to bring them up and then send them

750
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 4: right back. Poor guy's got to travel all over. If

751
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 4: he's up there for three games, he's pocketing a nice

752
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 4: chunk of change that would have been more than he

753
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 4: made the whole month in the minor leagues, which is

754
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 4: absolutely remarkable. So the new pro rated minimum is great,

755
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 4: but Osmer for him, it's a drop in the bucket

756
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 4: compared to what he was making previously and what he's

757
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 4: still making. Actually, technically speaking, I guess that gets subtracted

758
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 4: from what the Padres are still plant paying because they

759
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 4: were covering all of his salary when he went to

760
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 4: the Red Sox, which is crazy.

761
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think, if I remember somebody telling me

762
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 3: this correctly, I think it's thirty eight thousand dollars a

763
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: week that you get if you are up there on

764
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: the MLB team and you're making that, So you're getting

765
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 3: a check every other week for what seventy six thousand dollars. Yeah,

766
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: it's pretty nice. That's pretty great, right. That My favorite

767
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: little anecdote in regards to that. You remember when it

768
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 3: was like fifteen to one the Pirates lost, and they

769
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: run Camview out there and like his fourth career appearance,

770
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: and he threw fifty pitches before getting it out, Like

771
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 3: do you remember does that ring a.

772
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 2: Bell at all? This was like July. I don't remember that. Yeah,

773
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: fifty pitches.

774
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: Camview threw fifty pitches before getting it out in like

775
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: a twelve run game, and they didn't take him out

776
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,479
Speaker 3: for a position player like they just left him out there.

777
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: I think it was a fifty eight pitch in and

778
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: eight runs against him were scored before he recorded it out.

779
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: Instead of like immediately dfang or sending down, they let

780
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: him sit on the big league roster for like a week,

781
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 3: and then they did it because they felt I assumed

782
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: they felt bad. So they got him another like forty

783
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 3: k which is sick.

784
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 4: That's awesome, And that's that's that's like, you know, you're

785
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 4: altering stuff there if he has a family and everything

786
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 4: like that's that's a big difference. That's cool. It's crazy

787
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 4: how like little decisions like that, like a little like

788
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 4: a couple buttons or you know, one phone call can

789
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 4: impact this guy's Yeah, whether whether he gets one one

790
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 4: house or or not. Like just just whether we decided

791
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 4: to keep you on the roster for six more days,

792
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 4: could could cover his rent for several months. It's great.

793
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: Good for the pirates man.

794
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 4: Karma is good karma. Yeah, now they're gonna definitely get

795
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 4: that Soto package for Reynolds.

796
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 3: Love that all right, Tray Moss, what is Jason Hayward's

797
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: ops with the Dodgers this year?

798
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 4: And then how I forgot about that Jesus, I forgot

799
00:39:59,000 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 4: he's a Dodger.

800
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: What was Mookie Betts's ops last year? Eight seventy three.

801
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go eight fifty three for Hayward. How many games?

802
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: So good? He's gonna be so good?

803
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 3: We know he like, is he this year's Trace Thompson?

804
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: Or is Trace Thompson?

805
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 4: This year is Trace Thompson, Trace Thompson's this year is

806
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 4: Trace Thompson.

807
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 2: No, what I really I don't think Hayward's gonna play much.

808
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 4: I think he might get released.

809
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he'll get released. Do you think he

810
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: answers zero games?

811
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 4: No? No, I think he plays forty six games, and

812
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 4: I think he has a five eighty six ops. So

813
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 4: I think it's like I think it's the fun. I

814
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 4: hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I love Hayward.

815
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 4: It's just like if I really have to answer that,

816
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 4: I think it's his last show, Like I think it's

817
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 4: it's the last dance of like, hey, I'm gonna try

818
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 4: it one more time, and you know it'll be clear

819
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 4: to him that his time's up, and and that'll be that.

820
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: I hope I'm wrong again, Like that's that's just what

821
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 4: what I see it as I didn't even play last year,

822
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: like you know, he he's had a lot of time

823
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 4: off now. I don't think that's going to help him

824
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 4: at this stage. I think the writing's on the wall.

825
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: And to Arms point two, he's going to need playing

826
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: time to get, you know, accustom back to big league ball.

827
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: And if you're the Dodgers, why are you giving Chason

828
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: Hayward consistent playing time? Like there's no reason to do so.

829
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: So I think he plays less than what Arms said.

830
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 2: I think he's got thirty games under his belt. I

831
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: think I would take the under on six hundred ops

832
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: and I think he flames on. He won't end up

833
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: being a Dodger. But at the same time, would we

834
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: be shocked if he puts up a seven eighty ops

835
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: this year? I would it's crazy.

836
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 4: As part two thirty three, I.

837
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: Would not be shocked. Three.

838
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: Why do we feel like he's like forty?

839
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 3: Eric Cosmer and Jason Hayward are the same age?

840
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: Can we move on there?

841
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 4: Right?

842
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? Eric, Eric Hosmer and Javey aar Bias make me

843
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: so upset, sorry, reasonably upset. Thirty five games for Jason

844
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: Hayward and a six sixty four ops.

845
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 4: Oh wow, so he's balling.

846
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 3: He's balling, He'll Theyn'll stick around thirty five games on

847
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: a six sixty four OPS.

848
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: Well, he's but I think if he has a six

849
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: to sixty four OPS, he'll stick around.

850
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 4: That would be his highest sense twenty twenty.

851
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he'll stick around if he has that.

852
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: All right, Okay, next one higher WRC plus Austin Riley

853
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: or Raffie Devers, and we can get into the pre

854
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 3: arm conversation if we wont.

855
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: Now Before we do that, let me.

856
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: Just tell you this.

857
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, Austin Riley had a one forty

858
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: two WRC plus. Ralphie Devers had a one forty one

859
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: WRC plus. In twenty twenty two, Austin Riley had an

860
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 3: eight seventy eight OPS. Raffhie Devers had an eight seventy

861
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: nine OPS. So Devers was one point better and O

862
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: and Riley was one point better in WRC plus. Who's

863
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: the better hitter?

864
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 2: In twenty three, we're about to start ranking our top

865
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: ten players at each position. One of the most entertaining

866
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 2: fun things that we do over here at just baseball,

867
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: and I don't know where to rank these two because

868
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: Jack and I were talking pre record and I said,

869
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: how are we going to rank them? And I said, well,

870
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: Riley's probably the better defender, and Jack wasn't in agreement

871
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: with me, So it's gonna be interesting when we come

872
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: out and rank them. But I still think that even

873
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 2: though the stats are so close, I still think Rafael

874
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: Devers is the better hitter. I think Rafael Devers is

875
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: a top five left tended hitter in the game. I

876
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: love what he brings to the table every day, and

877
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: I think signing that big contract, well they both signed

878
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: big contracts, so they're both now comfortable too. Can't give

879
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: that all the Devers, but I would give the slight

880
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: edge to Rafael Devers. I only think he's gonna keep

881
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: getting better and better, but Riley will too. But I

882
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be diverse. But again, I think it's

883
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 2: gonna be slim like last year. I think it's gonna

884
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: be one to one forty three or similar to that.

885
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: So it's a great question.

886
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 4: It's a really good question. I mean, it's crazy because

887
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 4: they're they're so similar, Like Jack mentioned, and you just mentioned,

888
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 4: they're also similar in age, like similar with the way

889
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 4: that they've actually curbed a lot of their defensive issues right,

890
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 4: and both are no matter who you think is better,

891
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 4: both have made themselves very serviceable third baseman. What Riley

892
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 4: did in the second half is really eye opening. I

893
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 4: know he kind of did it the year before too,

894
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 4: though how hard he hits the ball, But then you

895
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 4: go to Raffie Devers and he gets to some pitches

896
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 4: where you're like, what, what the hell was that. I'm

897
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 4: gonna go Riley just because I really like what I

898
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 4: saw in the second half. His approach I think is

899
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 4: a little bit better. He doesn't whiff as much, which

900
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 4: is interesting because you actually look at at historically their

901
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 4: strikeout right, it's Devers is lower, but Riley actually, Riley

902
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 4: actually takes better, hacks, better a swings, doesn't doesn't whiff

903
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 4: in the zone as much. I think Riley figured it out,

904
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 4: and not to say that Devers didn't like Devers figured

905
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 4: it out earlier, but I think we're just now seeing

906
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 4: what it looks like for Riley figuring it out. And

907
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 4: I think he you know, I might sprinkle on him

908
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 4: to win the MVP next year. So if I'm gonna

909
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 4: do that, I gotta say that Riley's going to have

910
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 4: a better better year than Devers. But man, I mean

911
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 4: like it's gonna be neck and neck the whole way,

912
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: and and I think these two guys are going to

913
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 4: kind of assert themselves as that next wave of of

914
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 4: those those the next really talented third baseman to kind

915
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 4: of take over this game once you have some of

916
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 4: the older guys kind of on their way out.

917
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna guess my only my only counterpoint would

918
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: be that Riley had to have an all world second

919
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: half to be close to raf Fael Devers, and Devers

920
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: only really had one bad month and that was back

921
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: in August. Dude, slash one sixty three, two twenty six

922
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: to eighty eight in August, like every month he was

923
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: nine hundred ops and then just fell off a cliff.

924
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 3: That minch.

925
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: He's safer. Imagine playing the second half of that Red

926
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: Sox team where they lose every day like that, that mindset.

927
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: But then again, the Braves are going to be in

928
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: it every single day and the Red Sox will see

929
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: what happens next year, So maybe that could carry over

930
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: to again maybe support your point, but I just I

931
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 2: just feel that Devers is a slightly better hitter.

932
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 4: I mean first eighty games, Peter, first eighty games for

933
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 4: Raffie Devers three twenty seven, three eighty four, five ninety three,

934
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 4: that's a nine to seventy seven ops. So was he

935
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 4: pressing for the extension a little bit? Because he was

936
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 4: sub eight hundred and the second, you know, you go

937
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 4: the last eighty games, he was like seven ninety something.

938
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 4: Was he pressing? Was he losing interest because the Red

939
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 4: Sox sucks? Was he you know, a little banged up?

940
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 4: A lot of different things. So it is an interesting

941
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 4: point because you have a that was actually one of

942
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 4: the best hitters in the game for the first half,

943
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 4: and then you have another guy who is one of

944
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 4: the best hitters in the game for the second half.

945
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 4: So I'm really interested to see how they both string

946
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 4: it together next year now, and they both got their bags.

947
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 4: So that's a great question. And literally I think it's

948
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 4: coin flip.

949
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: So I'm the tie break here and I'm gonna go

950
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: with Riley.

951
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 3: Actually because I.

952
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 2: Peter, you said you think Devers is the safer hitter.

953
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: I said, I said that. I like, I just I

954
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 4: think is.

955
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: A safer hitter than Riley.

956
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 4: No, now I don't know.

957
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 3: I just think like, okay, and going back to your

958
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: point arm about Devers meeting balls that like no human

959
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: on Earth should be able to meet, Like he'll park

960
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: an eye high fastball and I'm like, how the hell

961
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 3: did he do that? But also if you start swinging

962
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: and missing at those ie high fastballs, here you are

963
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: with your ZWN extended. And I feel like it can

964
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: almost snowball negatively for Devers, way quicker than it does

965
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 3: Riley because Riley, like he does, he does not miss

966
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 3: mistakes that in the zone. The dude pounds pitches in

967
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: the strike zone, and if they're not where they're supposed

968
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: to be, they're getting sent to the moon. I think Riley.

969
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 3: When I watch Riley, I feel like the game is

970
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 3: working slower for him than it does Devers. I feel

971
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: like it's a simple, like there's the pitch. I'm gonna

972
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 3: shit on this type of approach for Riley, And that's

973
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: why I go with Austin Riley.

974
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 2: I guess my thing is too. Devers hit thirty eight

975
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: jacks in twenty twenty one, while Riley hit thirty eight

976
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: jacks last year. Devers hit twenty seven last year. Like

977
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: I see forty home run power with Devers, so if

978
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 2: he can get back to that, that's that little push. Well,

979
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: I don't think Riley has another big push in him.

980
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: I feel like we might see thirty five to forty

981
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: every year from Riley and like he's amazing. But then

982
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: if we see thirty five to forty from Devers, that's

983
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: what gives him the leap, and I think that's in there,

984
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna go with Devers.

985
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 4: Last thing that's weird to me on Devs is how

986
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 4: much he expands his own thirty six percent chase rate,

987
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 4: which is fascinating because he only strikes out eighteen point

988
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 4: six percent of the time.

989
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: And often it's high, Like, yeah, Spans is on upstairs.

990
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 4: Chase rate of thirty thirty point one, thirty point four percent,

991
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 4: which is really high. Honestly, swinging strike round on fastballs

992
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 4: of nineteen percent very high, which is amazing because like

993
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 4: he hits so well despite that, if he reigns in

994
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 4: the approach a little bit, like if this guy tones

995
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 4: it down, that's the scary part is he could legitimately

996
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 4: be the best, one of the best hitters in baseball period.

997
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 3: But that's the thing we have that if question. If

998
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 3: he does this, then we've got best hittering.

999
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Riley's probably safer. So I circle back, like ever,

1000
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 4: but Dever's ceiling is I could be even higher.

1001
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: But you made a good point. Maybe was he chasing

1002
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: trying to do damage because nobody else in that Red

1003
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: Sox lineup is doing it, and he's pressing for an extension,

1004
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure he wasn't saying much to hit, it's

1005
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: to drive in runs, and he's seeing one fastball a

1006
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 2: game and he's just trying to do anything that he

1007
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 2: can to put up runs for his team, while Riley

1008
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 2: has matt Olsen behind him and Akunya in front of him,

1009
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: and all he has to do is see pitches and

1010
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: he can take a walk to get driven in. So

1011
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: I'm curious if that those chase rates, Like I'd love

1012
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: to see what they were a couple of years ago

1013
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: or something like that, Like is this new for Devers,

1014
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: because I mean Devers's approach like he rakes like I

1015
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't say as a bad approach, But those numbers are

1016
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 2: the numbers, right, I'm just I feel like there's underneath

1017
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 2: context to those But maybe that's all that's the way

1018
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: he's always been, but I could just see that affecting

1019
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 2: him last year.

1020
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 4: Now Yoshida protection is gonna help, yeah, mightily, We'll.

1021
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 2: See, all right.

1022
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: Last one, how many qualified starters finished the season with

1023
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 3: an ERA under two point two? This past year, Justin

1024
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 3: Verlander had a won seventy five in one hundred and

1025
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: seventy five innings he did qualify. Julio Reis was next

1026
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 3: two to one six. Dylan Cease was now at two

1027
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 3: to two OHO. In twenty twenty one, the best DRA

1028
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 3: among qualified starters was Corbin Burns at two four to three.

1029
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen, the best DRA among qualified starters was

1030
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 3: Hyun Jin Ryu how about that at two three two.

1031
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: So in the last two full seasons before twenty twenty two,

1032
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,959
Speaker 3: the lowest dras were two three two and two four three.

1033
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: This year we had three guys with a two two

1034
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 3: oh or better. Do you think that is a baseball

1035
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 3: change that has happened? Do you think he continues or

1036
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 3: do you think this year was super fluky.

1037
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out on a limb and I'm gonna

1038
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: say zero. I think the banning of the shift will

1039
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: not help pitchers. Now, I think It'll be not minuscule

1040
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: where you'll barely see it, but I think you will

1041
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 2: be able to see it. I could still see one

1042
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 2: guy sneaking under there, but I'm gonna go revert back

1043
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 2: to offense comes back a little bit in our game,

1044
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: and we don't see anyone go below there. But I

1045
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: feel like we will see the best pitchers in baseball

1046
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: be right around that mark, kind of like the re

1047
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: two three to two that year, like right in that

1048
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 2: sweet spot.

1049
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, Arius, you know, he had a great year, but

1050
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 4: he was one of the guys you point to of

1051
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 4: really outperforming a lot of the underlying stats. And then

1052
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 4: you look at Verlander. He had this phenomenal season, but

1053
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 4: another guy that kind of outperformed a lot of his

1054
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 4: underlying stats. Still both had phenomenal seasons. I don't know

1055
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 4: if I see somebody doing it this year. I mean

1056
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 4: Peter's point kind of kind of attests to it. I

1057
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 4: think history shows the last few years that hasn't really happened.

1058
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 4: Areas never went deep into starts. He kind of worked

1059
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 4: as a four or five inning guy most of the year,

1060
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 4: a little bit of six innings. I don't know if

1061
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 4: they're gonna treat him the same way this year. I

1062
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 4: don't know if he's gonna have the same level of

1063
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 4: success this year. I don't think anybody does. I agree

1064
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 4: thing nobody is is sub to two. I think there's

1065
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 4: just there's just too many good hitters, and I think

1066
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 4: a lot of guys are starting to figure some things out.

1067
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 4: And it's really hard to have a sub to to

1068
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 4: R in today's game. It's really damn hard. I'm gonna

1069
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 4: say zero.

1070
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna say one, and it's gonna be one

1071
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: of Dylan Ceese, Shane McClanahan, Corbyn Burns or Tyler Malley.

1072
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 4: Tyler Malley, Yeah, what about Brendan Fought?

1073
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: I said one of them? True? You can't? Yeah, I

1074
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 2: like it all.

1075
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be say one of them.

1076
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 2: He did, you gonna put Buddy in there? Technically, hell,

1077
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 2: let's let's throw Bundy in there. Can we throw Knton

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00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 2: my Ada in there? On a bounce back? I am

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00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: curious what is your guys opinion of that point of

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00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 2: the shift being bad? How much do you think that's

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00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: gonna affect pictures?

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Speaker 3: I think that we still need to have an offensive

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00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: change in philosophy before that really affects pictures, you know

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00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like, I still think there are gonna

1085
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: be guys that are selling out for the home run

1086
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 3: ball and hitting the ball in the air is better

1087
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 3: for hitters than hitting the ball on the ground. Still,

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00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: so I think it's going to take a couple of

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00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 3: years for that to like fully come into play.

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Speaker 4: I think it's gonna make a difference. I think it's smaller,

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00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 4: like like you said, but I think it makes a difference.

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00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 4: And I think it could be enough of a difference

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00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 4: where instead of having one guy with a two one six,

1094
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 4: we have you know, zero guys with a sub two.

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00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 4: I think you can make that much. I think you

1096
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 4: can make that much of a difference. Now I'm thinking

1097
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 4: think of the way that the guys are positioning. We always,

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00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 4: you know, we have confirmation bias on the shift getting

1099
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 4: beaten all the time. You know where it's like, oh see,

1100
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 4: like the shift didn't work there so many times you

1101
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 4: have an inning and ending double play, or you have

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00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 4: a shift that takes away a double. Right, it's not

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00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 4: just about taking away the singles. The shift that's taken

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00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 4: away a double or that's taken away you know, a

1105
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 4: bases loaded big hit or like, there's so many situations

1106
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 4: where it's multiple runs that are being taken off the board.

1107
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I think it's gonna make it. Friends. I

1108
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 4: don't know how to quantify it. If it was like

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00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 4: what percent out of one hundred, I think it's like

1110
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 4: a five to eight percent difference maybe, But that's that's

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00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 4: significant enough to have nobody with the two to two,

1112
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 4: and it's really freaking hard to have a two too.

1113
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 4: I'm surprised we had three guys for the two to

1114
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 4: two in below this past year, to be honest, and

1115
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 4: Jueo Aris being babied a little bit I think helped that.

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Speaker 2: No, but also like as a baseball fan, think to yourself, well,

1117
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: why are they doing the shifts so much? It must

1118
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: be working, and why is it exactly like as Rays

1119
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: and the Dodgers and all these the Guardians, like these

1120
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: teams who are driven by analytics using it so much,

1121
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: it's because it works, Like why do they have to

1122
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: ban it? Because every team uses it now because to

1123
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 2: the point where you see a little dribbler go down

1124
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: the third base line and you think to yourself, well,

1125
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: there would have been a third basement there, or you

1126
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 2: see a groundball the shortstop and you say, well, everyone

1127
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: was on the right side of the infield, but most

1128
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 2: of those balls are going the right side of the infield,

1129
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 2: and all of those ones that get gobbled up in

1130
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 2: shallow right field, those would have been base hits. And

1131
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: like that, it is definitely in effect. And I'm excited

1132
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: to see this year because I am a proponent of

1133
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: banning the shift. I want to see more offense, and

1134
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 2: I'm biased and I want to Yeah, the Yankees have

1135
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: all these huge lefties, like I want to see them,

1136
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 2: but in reality, I just want to see more offense

1137
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 2: throughout the league. I think it makes the product more entertaining. Alright,

1138
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Speaker 2: I'm done. I can't wait to give you guys my

1139
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 2: stream of consciousness, and I cannot wait to rank top tens.

1140
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Speaker 4: Yeah, top ten's coming, Top ten's coming. I'm stressed already.

1141
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 4: It stresses me out. There's so many good players in

1142
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 4: this game and we have to somehow decide which are

1143
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 4: better than the others, even though our rankings don't really matter,

1144
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 4: but we still stress out about it because it's important.

1145
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: How are we going to rank Riley of Devers?

1146
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 4: Dude's I don't want to stress out about it right now,

1147
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 4: all right, I don't want to stress out about it.

1148
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a lot of fun. It's gonna be

1149
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 4: a lot of fun conversation back and forth, some good debates,

1150
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 4: and those episodes have always been, you know, some of

1151
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 4: our best performers also some of our uh we definitely

1152
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 4: get a lot of angry people, which is always fun.

1153
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 4: Race debate, embrace debate. So looking forward to that. Jack

1154
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 4: and I just put out Cleveland Guardians Top Prospects. That

1155
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 4: full write up is also I wrote that up is

1156
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 4: on just Baseball dot Com. That took me forever because

1157
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 4: that system is like ninety deep. They could have their

1158
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 4: own top one hundred list. That was a lot of fun.

1159
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 4: Any other programming notes, I know we're getting ready to

1160
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 4: launch pretty much a lot of the other podcasts we tease,

1161
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 4: So keep an eye out for that the next couple

1162
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 4: of weeks. Taylor Davis Art looks pretty sick. Just saw

1163
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 4: the email for that, So that show and go That

1164
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 4: podcast can be a lot of fun, a lot of

1165
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 4: good stuff coming out. I know, Peter, you're excited for

1166
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 4: baseball season to get those those units up, but I'm

1167
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 4: really excited for those picks too to tail that. But

1168
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 4: you've had a pretty good stretch the last last couple

1169
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 4: of football picks.

1170
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Speaker 2: Right, no, no, no, never mind. I'm a dead dog

1171
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: shitting football lately. But overall hitting fifty eight percent. It's

1172
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: hard to have fifty eight percent in the NFL. It's

1173
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: been a great NFL season. Arms wearing is just baseball

1174
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: athletic long sleeve and the hat on backwards. Jack's wearing

1175
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 2: his hat. I'm wearing my not gambling advice tea. You

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00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: can find all that in the episode description For merch

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1180
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,360
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1181
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1182
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,800
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