WEBVTT - Daybreak Weekend: Delta Earnings, UK Tax Season, China Data

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<v Speaker 2>look to how airlines could fare going forward. I'm Nathan

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<v Speaker 2>Hager in Washington.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Caroline Hepke in London, where we're looking ahead to

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<v Speaker 3>a raft of tax changes in the UK at the

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<v Speaker 3>start of the new financial year.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Doug Krisner, looking ahead to the latest price reports

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<v Speaker 4>for China and whether deflation is at a turning point.

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<v Speaker 2>Good day to you. I'm Nathan Hager. We begin today's

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<v Speaker 2>program in the air earning season gets underway this week,

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<v Speaker 2>with Delta Airlines reporting its latest results on Wednesday. For

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<v Speaker 2>more on this and what to expect for the airline

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<v Speaker 2>industry as a whole. We're joined by George Ferguson, senior Airspace,

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<v Speaker 2>Defense and Airlines analyst for Bloomberg Intelligence. George, it's great

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<v Speaker 2>to speak with you ahead of the results from Delta.

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<v Speaker 2>How much could we see the outlook for this airline

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<v Speaker 2>affected by what we've seen over the last month of

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<v Speaker 2>war with Iran?

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<v Speaker 5>So thanks for having me on. I think that a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of the outlook and a lot of investor perspectives

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<v Speaker 5>on the airline will be a function of that war

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<v Speaker 5>in Iran and where it's at when earnings are reported.

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<v Speaker 5>How so, So I mean, you know, right now, I

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<v Speaker 5>think we're looking at a scenario where the streets are

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<v Speaker 5>Humus look effectively closed, right. I don't think they're physically closed,

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<v Speaker 5>but they look effectively closed, and the US may walk

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<v Speaker 5>away from the region without reopening it. Some of the

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<v Speaker 5>rhetoric are hearing, you know, out of the Trump administration now,

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<v Speaker 5>and so that is obviously going to play into where

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<v Speaker 5>fuel prices are going. Right, So I think as investors

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<v Speaker 5>go into those earnings, I think, you know, one queue

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<v Speaker 5>is just not going to matter as much. We know

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<v Speaker 5>fuel prices spiked, it's typically a week quarter, so you're

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<v Speaker 5>not going to spend a lot of time parsing those numbers.

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<v Speaker 5>My guess is that Delta will do a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>work to try to keep those earnings kind of in

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<v Speaker 5>a decent place by economizing on maintenance and things like that.

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<v Speaker 5>But again, investor is going to be really focused on

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<v Speaker 5>down the road. We're coming into summer travel season two

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<v Speaker 5>Q and three Q, and so if the price of

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<v Speaker 5>fuel remains high and even potentially goes higher because the

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<v Speaker 5>Straits are removes or closed and the US is pulling

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<v Speaker 5>out of the region, I think that you know, that

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<v Speaker 5>sets up a different demand dynamic for the summer, right.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that Delta's got a fairly well heeled flying

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<v Speaker 5>clientele that can manage an increase in prices twenty thirty

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<v Speaker 5>percent for tickets, But there will be some demand that

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<v Speaker 5>peels away, and so then the dance comes between size

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<v Speaker 5>and capacity correctly for what the new demand is in

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<v Speaker 5>a higher ticket price environment. Or if the US pulls

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<v Speaker 5>away from the Straits and the Iranians say, look, there's nobody,

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<v Speaker 5>there's nobody here to blame anymore. The US is gone,

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<v Speaker 5>We'll let tankers flow the global you know, oil prices

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<v Speaker 5>returned to sort of prewar level or at least you know,

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<v Speaker 5>descend a bit, don't continue to climb. You'll have a

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<v Speaker 5>much better outlook for so or flying season. So I

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<v Speaker 5>think everything everything rides on what the outcome of the

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<v Speaker 5>Iran sort of you know, war or fight, whatever you

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<v Speaker 5>want to call it, is into two Q and three Q,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think that's how investors will We'll look at

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<v Speaker 5>earnings and look at guidance through that lens.

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<v Speaker 2>Given that demand picture you just mentioned, the focus on

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<v Speaker 2>the premium traveler, does that put Delta in a better

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<v Speaker 2>position compared to some of the other major carriers, So.

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<v Speaker 5>We think so, right, We think that United in Delta

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<v Speaker 5>and to a lesser extent American have passengers, have client

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<v Speaker 5>tele that are going to want to travel despite changes

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<v Speaker 5>in prices. Right, So, I mean if fuel prices rise

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<v Speaker 5>by one hundred percent, which is kind of you know

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<v Speaker 5>where we were here as we closed out one Q. Look,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, typically these carriers twenty to thirty percent percent

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<v Speaker 5>of revenues to be consumed by fuel. So maybe the

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<v Speaker 5>way to think about it is that means that ticket

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<v Speaker 5>prices have to rise by what maybe twenty or thirty percent.

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<v Speaker 5>If you're you know, a fairly wealthy client, You're not

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<v Speaker 5>going to let twenty to thirty percent increases in in

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<v Speaker 5>your ticket price, right, five hundred to six hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 5>maybe to go to the West Coast, maybe maybe one

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<v Speaker 5>thousand to twelve hundred dollars to go to Europe. You're

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<v Speaker 5>not going to let that get in the way of

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<v Speaker 5>your travel plans. The people whose travel plans will get

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<v Speaker 5>interrupted by that are more of the basic economy traveler,

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<v Speaker 5>the travel that's probably flying you know, Spirit, Frontier, Jet Blue,

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<v Speaker 5>these kind of carriers, And I think that will exacerbate

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<v Speaker 5>this fight for the back of the airplane because because

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<v Speaker 5>United and Delta are filling their airplanes with a bunch

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<v Speaker 5>of premium travelers, but in the back of every United

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<v Speaker 5>Airline flight or Delta Airline flight is a little bit

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<v Speaker 5>of Spirit airline. It's a basic economy traveler, and the

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<v Speaker 5>fight will go on to get them in the airplane

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<v Speaker 5>at least to cover marginal costs.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for this, George, again, great having you on

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<v Speaker 2>with us. That's a Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Aerospace, Defense and

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<v Speaker 2>Airlines analyst, George Ferguson. Let's take a look now at

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<v Speaker 2>some stocks making news in the week ahead. I'm Nathan Hager,

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<v Speaker 2>joined by Bloomberg Markets Live strategist Tatiana Daria. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>we could say this is the unofficial start of earning

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<v Speaker 2>season before the banks get things going right. We've got

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<v Speaker 2>a few companies opening things up, including Constellation Brands on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a tough go for the booze business, hasn't it?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, exactly. Expectations aren't very high here for the company,

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<v Speaker 6>but some analysts on Wall Street are starting to warm

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<v Speaker 6>up to the stock on valuation concerns, saying that a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of the bad news is already in the stock.

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<v Speaker 6>So Bloomberg Intelligence forecast at net revenue will fall about

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<v Speaker 6>fifteen percent do mainly to their whine and spirits portfolio devestments.

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<v Speaker 6>But they're also anticipating some sluggishness in the beer segment,

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<v Speaker 6>which is obviously their main driver or crown a jewel

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<v Speaker 6>there and especially among Hispanic consumers. BI notes, but some

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<v Speaker 6>analysts are saying that most of that is already in

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<v Speaker 6>the price. Perhaps, you know, the beer segment has room

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<v Speaker 6>to surprise to the upside. We've seen JP Morgan lifting

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<v Speaker 6>their price target. We've seen Evercore adding the stock to

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<v Speaker 6>the Tactical Outperformed list, and it also got an upgrade

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<v Speaker 6>from City earlier this month, citing evaluation that's below historical levels,

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<v Speaker 6>and if you look at the forward price to earnings ratio,

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<v Speaker 6>it has indeed fallen drastically. It's hovering around the lowest

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<v Speaker 6>since twenty twelve now as shares have come down sharply

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<v Speaker 6>over the past year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, valuation concern certainly speaks to that. There before we

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<v Speaker 2>hear from constantly, we're going to get results as well

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<v Speaker 2>from Levi Strauss on Tuesday. Of course, we got that

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<v Speaker 2>big disappointment from Nike this past week. Do you put

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<v Speaker 2>Levi in the same category as Nike in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>what to expect there?

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<v Speaker 6>I think one has to, right because they both speak

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<v Speaker 6>to the consumer. They're both sort of discretionary brands that

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<v Speaker 6>you turn to for sort of luxury and comfort, not

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<v Speaker 6>necessarily because you really need to. And expectations are pretty

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<v Speaker 6>I would say modestly positive. Ubs, for example, expects a

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<v Speaker 6>fourth quarter sales and EPs beat, though they say the

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<v Speaker 6>company may remain cautious on a full year outlook amid

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<v Speaker 6>the macro as certainly, just like we've seen with Nike,

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<v Speaker 6>they know that the US direct to consumer sales likely

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<v Speaker 6>rose about two percent year over year, and that web

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<v Speaker 6>traffic likely increased even more in the US according to

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<v Speaker 6>their industry data that they track. Nonetheless, the company may

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<v Speaker 6>choose to just be cautious and conservative and not raise

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<v Speaker 6>their guidance despite the likely beat. And that's because of

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<v Speaker 6>the reasons that we have seen with the Nike report,

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<v Speaker 6>with potential fresh setbacks in Europe and the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 6>regions that are obviously heavily exposed to the energy costs

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<v Speaker 6>and just the disruptions coming from the year round war.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, were you expecting any further commentary from Levi around

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<v Speaker 2>how they're dealing with trade uncertainty as well after that

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court tariff decision and some of the uncertainty around

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<v Speaker 2>how the president might try to rebuild that terrafall and

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<v Speaker 2>how that could affect its business.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, certainly, you know, tariffs is sort of fallen off

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<v Speaker 6>the radar, but when you look at company earnings, especially

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<v Speaker 6>in the consumer space, it is still a big focus.

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<v Speaker 6>So it will be really interesting to see what the

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<v Speaker 6>company has to say on that matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and of course earnings take off with Delta Airlines

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday. What kind of a stock move could we

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<v Speaker 2>see following those results? Ta Tiana.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, what it's interesting with Delta Air is that they

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<v Speaker 6>kind of have been the exception among the airlines. It

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<v Speaker 6>is the only airlines stock bucking the weakness among major

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<v Speaker 6>peers since the war started. If you look at an

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<v Speaker 6>index of an industry index, that index has fallen into

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<v Speaker 6>a bear market recently, but Delta shares have actually gained

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<v Speaker 6>three percent since the war started. And maybe because the

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<v Speaker 6>company has already set a positive tone for its earnings

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<v Speaker 6>report after issuing a more optimistic sales target at a

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<v Speaker 6>recent conference, saying that bookings for leisure and corporate customers

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<v Speaker 6>accelerated into March. Actually, and they say they are very

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<v Speaker 6>well positioned to navigate the current environment at the time

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<v Speaker 6>when elevated fuel prices are roiling the industry. And it

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<v Speaker 6>looks like investors are giving Delta the benefit of the

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<v Speaker 6>doubt here. But obviously things change very fast these days,

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<v Speaker 6>so it will be interesting to see how their views

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<v Speaker 6>have changed since they issued that update about two weeks

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<v Speaker 6>for two weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Ago from now, yeah, absolutely, while we wait for updates

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<v Speaker 2>around the war and how that could develop as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what kind of changes could we see? What

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<v Speaker 2>are you listening for, particularly from the call from Delta.

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<v Speaker 6>Later on, I'll be listening on clues about the consumer

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<v Speaker 6>right because obviously travel is a discretionary category. Most of

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<v Speaker 6>us do it for fun, for vacations, So I'll be

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<v Speaker 6>interested to see if they have seen a pullback from

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<v Speaker 6>consumers specifically, because if you look at alternative data on

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<v Speaker 6>the Bloomberg as it relates to that, yes, it showed

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<v Speaker 6>that airline spending is hanging in there, but hotel spending

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<v Speaker 6>has sort of fallen off here in recent so I'd

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<v Speaker 6>be sort of curious to see how much is that

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<v Speaker 6>impacting airlines.

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<v Speaker 2>Already, here we go for earning season for Q one.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for this, Bloomberg Markets Live Strategist Tatiana Daria,

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<v Speaker 2>And coming up on Bloomberg day Break Weekend, we'll look

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<v Speaker 2>ahead to the new tax year in the UK starting

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<v Speaker 2>April sixth. I'm Nathan Hager, and this is Bloomberg. This

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<v Speaker 2>is Bloomberg Day Break Weekend, our global look ahead at

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<v Speaker 2>the top stories for investors in the coming week. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan Hager in Washington. Up later in our program, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>look to some key economic data in China. But first

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<v Speaker 2>it is now the new tax year in the UK

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<v Speaker 2>running from April, and it's about to bring major changes

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<v Speaker 2>in taxation and employment rights. Many of them were announced

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<v Speaker 2>last November by UK Chancellor Rachel Reeves. But they land

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<v Speaker 2>just as Britain's growth outlook is deteriorating. Let's go to

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<v Speaker 2>London and get more from Bloomberg day Break europe banker

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<v Speaker 2>Caroline hepger Nathan.

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<v Speaker 3>The tax here in Britain begins on the sixth of

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<v Speaker 3>April and twenty twenty six is going to bring in

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of changes for workers, employers, landlords, business owners

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<v Speaker 3>and investors. The Employment Rights Act starts to come into force.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the biggest change in employment law in decades, designed

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<v Speaker 3>to protect those in low paying or insecure jobs. Also,

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<v Speaker 3>there are a number of tax increases due to tax

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<v Speaker 3>thresholds to dividend and capital gains tax changes. All of

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<v Speaker 3>this part of the Chancellor's so called Smallger's Board budget

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<v Speaker 3>from last autumn. Plus there's an increase in the state

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<v Speaker 3>pension age and higher welfare payments for retirees, people on

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<v Speaker 3>low income, those out of work were unable to work.

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<v Speaker 3>But will it help Britain's economy and workers. Do you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 7>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>As John Steppeck, editor of Bloomberg's award winning Money Distilled newsletter,

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<v Speaker 3>there are so many changes John, that are coming in

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<v Speaker 3>this new financial year in Britain that we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>have to break them all down. So let's start first

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<v Speaker 3>with the changes that are coming under the Employment Rights

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<v Speaker 3>Act of twenty twenty five. This is the so called

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<v Speaker 3>day one employment rights legislation from the Labor government. What

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<v Speaker 3>does it involve and why is it being brought in?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, this one, I mean, this has been brought in

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<v Speaker 8>just to enhanced protections for work case. Now, whether you

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<v Speaker 8>think that is necessary or whether you think we've already

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<v Speaker 8>got in off, it's a different question that will depend

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<v Speaker 8>your politics. But from April the sixth, we're getting day

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<v Speaker 8>one rates to paternity leave. So at the moment you

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<v Speaker 8>have to be with a company for twenty six weeks

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<v Speaker 8>six months, that's been reduced to the FoST day. There's

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<v Speaker 8>extended six p rates, so at the moment you're not

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<v Speaker 8>due statutory sick p until the fourth day your illness.

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<v Speaker 8>Let's all kick in from the FoST day now, to

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<v Speaker 8>be fair enough, A lot of employers don't actually rely

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<v Speaker 8>on statutory sick pay. It is something you just get

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<v Speaker 8>paid your wage. But that's that's something that if your

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<v Speaker 8>employer does that, and there's some tweaks to collective redundancy rules,

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<v Speaker 8>so if they don't do that properly, they've kind of

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<v Speaker 8>double the amount of time you can claim front fair dismissal.

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<v Speaker 8>They've added sexual harassment to the whistle blowing guidelines. There's

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<v Speaker 8>various bits and pieces. Some of the kind of punchier

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<v Speaker 8>stuff has been delayed, I think partly because obviously employers

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<v Speaker 8>need a bit more time to adjust. So one of

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<v Speaker 8>the major things was, at the moment, you can be

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<v Speaker 8>employed for up to two years and not be able

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<v Speaker 8>to claim unfair dismissal. So in effect, you can you

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<v Speaker 8>can need someone out the door if they're not working

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<v Speaker 8>without having to go through that kind of massive process.

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<v Speaker 8>That's going to get reduced to six months. And that

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<v Speaker 8>was one of the more controversial changes because you know,

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<v Speaker 8>it's it will make life more complicated hiring wise. But

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<v Speaker 8>that yeah, so that's why be had at the moment.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah no, so yeah, so that's what's kicking in for me.

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<v Speaker 3>April the sixth Yeah, So that's in terms of the

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<v Speaker 3>Employment Rights Act, which trade unions like the TUC and

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<v Speaker 3>others see as benefiting workers in terms of their health

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<v Speaker 3>and they're wellbeing. As for the other major tax changes,

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<v Speaker 3>so we know that income taxes are going to effectively

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<v Speaker 3>go up because of fiscal drag, right, so we have

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<v Speaker 3>to think about that in terms of the tax changes

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<v Speaker 3>as being a big one.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>I think that's really important, and I'm glad you brought

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<v Speaker 8>that up because nothing's changed technically, but that's the basic problem.

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<v Speaker 8>So if you've had a pay raise that is ce

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<v Speaker 8>has gone up with inflation this year, then that means

0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.320
<v Speaker 8>that your wages obviously have gone up. But the problem

0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.800
<v Speaker 8>is that fiscal drag means the income tax, So the

0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.880
<v Speaker 8>income tax thresholds have been frozen, so it means that

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<v Speaker 8>for every extra pound that you get, you're being put

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<v Speaker 8>anty a different tax bracket effectively. So the moment you

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<v Speaker 8>can add up to twelve five hundred and seventy pounds

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<v Speaker 8>and that's your personal allowance, above that you pay twenty

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<v Speaker 8>percent tax. Above fifty two hundred and seventy you pay

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<v Speaker 8>forty percent tax, and then above one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 8>five one forty you pay forty five percent tax. The

0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.240
<v Speaker 8>point is that's been frozen for several years now, so

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<v Speaker 8>more and moarriors are getting dragged into higher rate tax bands.

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<v Speaker 8>And then the kind of proportion of people who would

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<v Speaker 8>once have been considered not to be high way journals

0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.600
<v Speaker 8>like you know, nurseis people like that are increasingly being

0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.960
<v Speaker 8>dragged more and more of them into the forty percent

0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.480
<v Speaker 8>band and even a bit higher up. You know, some

0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.119
<v Speaker 8>people are getting pulled into the forty five percent band

0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.240
<v Speaker 8>they wouldn't once have been considered, you know, super wealthy,

0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.040
<v Speaker 8>and that's just that's pure inflation. So it's a tax

0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:50.560
<v Speaker 8>on inflation. Your living standard has not improved because your

0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.119
<v Speaker 8>wages are buying you the same amount of stuff, but

0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.439
<v Speaker 8>you're getting tax more on it. So actually, yeah, if

0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:57.600
<v Speaker 8>you've only had an inflation pay rise, if you've even

0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.200
<v Speaker 8>had an inflation pay rise this year, actually wash off.

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<v Speaker 8>And so fiscal drag is pretty brutal, and there REases

0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.159
<v Speaker 8>the government a good amount of money. Yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 8>can see why the foind of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, So that's one big change. Then one that

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<v Speaker 3>we've had more advertising is not a lot of advertising

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<v Speaker 3>about a fiscal drive. But there is about this change

0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:24.159
<v Speaker 3>which is making tax digital, which requires self employed workers

0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.800
<v Speaker 3>and landlord to earn over a certain money through their

0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:32.720
<v Speaker 3>business or through rental to keep more records. So there's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be more frequent sort of interactions between you

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<v Speaker 3>and the tax authorities.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, so if you're doing over fifty thousand pounds as

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<v Speaker 8>a soul trade or aligned lord, then you're going to

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<v Speaker 8>have to start failing digitally. And I mean the big

0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:50.800
<v Speaker 8>issue here is basically admin and a compliance button, so

0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.840
<v Speaker 8>you have to get used to the software. The software costs,

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, I kind of the last thing I saw

0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:58.680
<v Speaker 8>was about four hundred to five hundred pounds. A lot

0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.879
<v Speaker 8>of people will probably want to ask an accountant to

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<v Speaker 8>sort this out for them because it's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 8>a fave, And I guess the benefit is probably arguably

0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.800
<v Speaker 8>mostly on the tax blank side. I mean, you could

0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.159
<v Speaker 8>argue that it gives you proay slightly more visibility on

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<v Speaker 8>what your tax bill is likely to be, but to

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<v Speaker 8>be honest, if we keep half decent accounts should probably

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<v Speaker 8>be on top of that already. I would say it's

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<v Speaker 8>another compliance budden on small business more than it is

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<v Speaker 8>a beneficial change.

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<v Speaker 3>Overall, and this is only a few of the changes.

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<v Speaker 3>Do we know how all of these changes are actually

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<v Speaker 3>going to affect the economy?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, the problem is, you can look at these changes,

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<v Speaker 8>you can probably make a case on the basis of

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<v Speaker 8>you know, fairness or particular interest group as to why

0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:52.760
<v Speaker 8>or this is a good thing. You know, but this

0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.679
<v Speaker 8>we should be doing this. We should be giving people

0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.359
<v Speaker 8>poternality to leave from day one, all of that sort

0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.280
<v Speaker 8>of stuff. The problem is, though, the you're starting to

0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:06.760
<v Speaker 8>kind of push even more compliance costs onto Yeah, small

0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.080
<v Speaker 8>businesses and large businesses, but large businesses are usually set

0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.520
<v Speaker 8>up for this kind of thing already. They can swallow

0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:15.320
<v Speaker 8>the costs. And you know, this is coming at a

0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.480
<v Speaker 8>time when the labor market in the UK is kind

0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:22.520
<v Speaker 8>of turning down, cooling off. We've already seen a massive

0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.159
<v Speaker 8>kind of minimum wage. There's another one coming in at

0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.920
<v Speaker 8>the same time. And you know, but we were saying

0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.399
<v Speaker 8>kind of like young people struggling to get jobs basically

0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:36.200
<v Speaker 8>because they are too expensive to hire. And I mean

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<v Speaker 8>this is don't get me wrong, It's not just about that.

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<v Speaker 8>We're also we've got a hangover from COVID still, so

0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:45.160
<v Speaker 8>you know, during COVID. The labor market was massively disrupted

0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.600
<v Speaker 8>because obviously the leisure industry was shut down and then

0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.800
<v Speaker 8>it reopened and everyone had found other jobs elsewhere, so

0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:53.840
<v Speaker 8>they had to hire, you know, and pay more to

0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:56.280
<v Speaker 8>hire people at that point. And I think we're actually

0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.320
<v Speaker 8>still going through that sort of like corrective phase now.

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<v Speaker 8>The problem is making it very hard for anyone either

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<v Speaker 8>getting out of UNI or it just wants a kind

0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.960
<v Speaker 8>of part time job to find work because again it's

0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:11.320
<v Speaker 8>become too expensive and this sort of extra compliance buton

0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.520
<v Speaker 8>and also the awareness that there's more to come is

0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:18.280
<v Speaker 8>going to put employers off taking people on even more.

0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:21.760
<v Speaker 8>So I do think it's it's not the ideal time

0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.639
<v Speaker 8>to be doing this, even if you agreed with the

0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:28.320
<v Speaker 8>kind of underlying, you know, kind of principle, and I

0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:33.280
<v Speaker 8>think a lot of it's arguably driven by ideology more

0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:38.159
<v Speaker 8>than practicality. I mean, obviously labor is kind of funded

0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.360
<v Speaker 8>by the trade unions to a great extent. Again, nothing

0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:43.439
<v Speaker 8>necessarily wrong with that, but means they're going to operate

0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.800
<v Speaker 8>in you know, in line with what they want. And

0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:49.560
<v Speaker 8>the problem is that it's all very well, but it's

0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:52.280
<v Speaker 8>great having worker protections if you've got a job, but

0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 8>if it makes it harder for you to get a job,

0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:56.800
<v Speaker 8>it's not so great. Yeah, it's a similar thing with

0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:59.520
<v Speaker 8>the actually the renter's rights. But you know, one of

0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:02.000
<v Speaker 8>the problems that is that is if you're already a

0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.160
<v Speaker 8>rent up your phine, it's going to make it hard

0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:08.159
<v Speaker 8>dot actually get a flat because landlords are going to

0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:09.680
<v Speaker 8>be more locked in and they're going to be much

0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:13.800
<v Speaker 8>more care for about people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I haven't even got into the from the first

0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:21.600
<v Speaker 3>of May, not the sixth of April, but you are

0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:25.520
<v Speaker 3>right to bring it up because the Renters Reform Act

0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:29.560
<v Speaker 3>is all about limiting competition, for example, bidding wars for

0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:34.199
<v Speaker 3>flats or apartments or homes. It also limits the amount

0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.000
<v Speaker 3>that you can increase the rent buy if you are

0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:41.080
<v Speaker 3>a landlord. So there are beneficial things for renters, which

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<v Speaker 3>perhaps again would if politically the Labor Party wants to

0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:47.520
<v Speaker 3>discuss that, then surely that might be a positive. But

0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:49.640
<v Speaker 3>as you say, if you can't get an apartment, then

0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:52.720
<v Speaker 3>it's a problem. There are lots of other tax changes.

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<v Speaker 3>Some have had lots of attention, like the change to

0:22:55.960 --> 0:23:00.359
<v Speaker 3>inheritance tax on family businesses and farms, like the changenges

0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:04.240
<v Speaker 3>to dividend and capital gains taxes, which have had quite

0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:07.879
<v Speaker 3>a bit of attention i'd say from investors because again

0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:11.919
<v Speaker 3>they're rashting up the tax. Take the Chancellor you know,

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.800
<v Speaker 3>wants to increase the revenue from that. What is it

0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:16.879
<v Speaker 3>going to mean for people?

0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:19.479
<v Speaker 8>Well, the things I mean, so the dividend tax has

0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 8>going up by two percentage points and the basical rate

0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:25.280
<v Speaker 8>and the higher rate additional rates staying the same because

0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:27.439
<v Speaker 8>if it went up any further it would basically almost

0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:31.160
<v Speaker 8>be inlane because the end tax straight and I mean

0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:35.640
<v Speaker 8>there's not I mean beyond using your tax shells, there's

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:38.000
<v Speaker 8>basically that you can do. But that's except for swallow

0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:42.680
<v Speaker 8>it inheritance taxes a head covered change. So the IHD

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:45.720
<v Speaker 8>changes are if you basically, if you want to have

0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:50.920
<v Speaker 8>farm or business property, then now rather than basically having

0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:57.480
<v Speaker 8>uncapped relief or an inheritance tax, you can pass on

0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.639
<v Speaker 8>up to two point five million per individual, so it

0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 8>means five million in total. And to be feeled, that

0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:05.439
<v Speaker 8>went up because it was originally one million, but the

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:07.800
<v Speaker 8>government kind of back down a bit on that and

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:10.239
<v Speaker 8>raised it and image you pass that over and then

0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:14.040
<v Speaker 8>after that you get HD effectively. The relief is half,

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.880
<v Speaker 8>so it means you're paying HD at twenty percent rather

0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 8>than forty percent. And that's on everything above the two

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:22.920
<v Speaker 8>point five of the five million am stocks. It gets

0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:26.360
<v Speaker 8>them too. This they don't have the two point five

0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:29.440
<v Speaker 8>million allowance. They just have the normal allowance, but now

0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:31.680
<v Speaker 8>they'll have after two years. You used to be able

0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 8>to hold certain ame stocks and pass them all free

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:38.120
<v Speaker 8>of inheritance tax. Now they'll be taxed at twenty percent

0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:39.480
<v Speaker 8>rather than forty percent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. But all of this raft of tax changes and

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<v Speaker 3>employment rights changes coming on the sixth of April, and

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<v Speaker 3>we shall see what happens in terms of its impact

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:54.879
<v Speaker 3>on the economy, even as we know that the economic backdrop,

0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 3>of course for the UK and for many other countries

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<v Speaker 3>because of the war in Iran, does seem to be

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<v Speaker 3>dark a little bit. John, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 3>being with me talking over all of the details. Bloomberg's

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:07.920
<v Speaker 3>John Steppek. Thanks for your time, and you can catch

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:12.440
<v Speaker 3>up of course with John's Money Distilled newsletter in the week.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Karin Hepka here in London. You can catch us

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<v Speaker 3>every weekday morning for Bloomberg Daybreak. You up that's the

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<v Speaker 3>beginning at six am in London, one am on Wall Street, Nathan.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Caroline, and coming up on Bloomberg day Break Weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll look ahead to China's March CPI and PPI data releases.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Nathan Hager, and this is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 2>Daybreak Weekend, our global look ahead at the top stories

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<v Speaker 2>for investors in the coming week. I'm Nathan Hager in Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>This week we get March readings on inflation in China.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get a preview now from Bloomberg's Doug Prisner, host

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<v Speaker 2>of the Daybreak Asia podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks Nathan. China has been mired in a record streak

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<v Speaker 4>of deflation, especially at the wholesale level. However, there are

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<v Speaker 4>signs of change. For example, in February, producer prices slumped

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<v Speaker 4>nine tens of one percent last year a negative reading, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>but it was much better than economist at forecast. And

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:22.200
<v Speaker 4>more recently we've seen signs of building price momentum. The

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 4>latest manufacturing PMI show the Chinese companies recorded their fastest

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<v Speaker 4>surge in both raw material cost and output prices in

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<v Speaker 4>about four years now. This represents one of the first

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 4>tangible signs of the spillover from the conflict in the

0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:39.679
<v Speaker 4>Middle East. So a few questions here, what does this

0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:42.520
<v Speaker 4>mean for the Chinese economy and where does the Chinese

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.640
<v Speaker 4>inflation story go from here? For a closer look, let's

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<v Speaker 4>bring in Bloomberg economist Eric Jeu, who joins us from

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:51.679
<v Speaker 4>Hong Kong. Thank you so much, Eric for being here. So,

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 4>the price component of that PMI report indicated largely that

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 4>inflation was being imported, and I'm wondering, is that a

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:01.400
<v Speaker 4>wealth come signed for China.

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<v Speaker 9>In terms of the result. Yeah, I think definitely is

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<v Speaker 9>going new that we might finally get out of deflation

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:11.200
<v Speaker 9>this year or very soon. I think the next next

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 9>week's much price data. I think it's becoming quite consensus

0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 9>now the PPI should turn positive, you know, thanks to

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:23.560
<v Speaker 9>the energy caused shock from the Iran War. So I

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 9>think it's probably the first inflation reading for PPI in

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:31.760
<v Speaker 9>more than three years. So last time it's the end

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 9>of the war, your career in the Russian War, right,

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:36.400
<v Speaker 9>So it's been more than three years, and I think

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 9>finally now the PPI is going to get out of deflation.

0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 9>And CPI is already in the inflationary doom. So I

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:49.600
<v Speaker 9>think it's we're expecting the GDP deflator could turn positive maybe,

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 9>if not the first quarter, it must be the second part.

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 9>So in terms of final result, I think it's it's

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<v Speaker 9>it's what part the makers they're really looking forward, you know,

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 9>to see a party of inflation, but it's probably get

0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:07.120
<v Speaker 9>there by the wrong reason because we're always talking. They

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 9>want to you know, push domest demand to drive the

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:12.679
<v Speaker 9>price up. But now I think it sends to some

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 9>external shock. Actually it's it's it's essentially helping China, but

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:20.719
<v Speaker 9>probably not the recent supposi makers have been you know,

0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 9>making efforts. But anyway, it's the androidult here that we

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 9>are getting there.

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<v Speaker 4>That's an interesting point because you and I have spoken

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 4>in the past about the weak growth story in China.

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:34.879
<v Speaker 4>So if things don't improve and energy prices were to

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 4>remain elevated, is stagflation of possibility?

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 9>Not quite, because in the first quarter we actually have

0:28:43.000 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 9>seen some signs of domestic demand is picking up, but

0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 9>it's still at a very low level compared to a

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 9>very weak final quarter of last year. So you know,

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 9>investment is picking up. Also, consumption slightly accelerating, so it's

0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 9>I think at least you can see that the bottom

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 9>and the demand might have bottomed out, but still it

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 9>takes a quite time for us to see a robust tomorrow,

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 9>but recovery on those demands sides, so I'm not really

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 9>seeing it's more like stagnation for China. I think the

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 9>demand is still slowly, slowly recovering, but now after the

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 9>supply shock is really helping more on the price side.

0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.240
<v Speaker 4>So I'm wondering about how the consumer is performing right

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 4>now in China and whether demand is beginning to pick

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 4>up ever so slightly. You talk about the fact that

0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 4>retail inflation in China is out of deflation right now,

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 4>are we're seeing a little bit more exuberance on the

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 4>part of the consumer.

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<v Speaker 9>I think the first two months it's it's quite positive.

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:53.200
<v Speaker 9>But you know, because China this year, this year's Luna

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 9>new Your holiday is longer than usual, have a nine

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 9>days holiday, so it's still not clear whether the holiday

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 9>is boosting up to the retail sales or it's just after holidays,

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 9>So the machas data will be more interesting after the

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 9>holiday demand is if they did, we're going to see

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 9>how you know that the much retail sales is doing.

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 9>If that's still kind of robust, so that would be

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:19.600
<v Speaker 9>a more incredible sign of demanding and pulling up. If

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 9>you see retail sales out decelerating slowly again, then it's

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:26.680
<v Speaker 9>probably just a one off booster from the holidays. So

0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 9>that means the comment still needs more work to you know,

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 9>stimulate consumption.

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<v Speaker 4>So Eric, give me a sense of what that might

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 4>look like. I know from the most recent NPC gathering,

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 4>creating inflation was a top priority, So I'm curious about

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 4>what more the government could do to change the narrative here.

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 9>I think if you look at NPC, actually the policy

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 9>it broadly continuing, so they don't add much more additional stimulus.

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 9>So on the consumption side, I think basically they're continuing

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 9>what they're doing last year, you know, subsidy for consumption upgrading,

0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 9>and also they'll continue going to give child subsidies as

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 9>kind of you know, small incremental structure reforms in trying

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 9>to address the high living costs for ready on child,

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 9>for child education, that kind of stuff. Our view is

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 9>that those steps will be will help in the end,

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 9>but it will be a long process, so it's not

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 9>going to you know, change consumer behind behavior overnight. So

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 9>it does require long community from the government to continueing

0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 9>or even step up with those small steps, and this

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 9>can gradually improve consumer sentiment and help them to spend

0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 9>more hopefully.

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 4>Obviously, the property market is a big part of the story,

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 4>and housing prices continue to remain very very weak. Give

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 4>me your sense of where we we go from here

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 4>just in terms of real estate and what the government

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 4>can do to kind of verse what we have been

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 4>seeing month on month on month.

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it's a good point. Actually, we just this some

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 9>assessment up to the assessment of the property market. Actually

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:13.719
<v Speaker 9>after we saw some green shoots in the first two months,

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 9>the jopping the declining home prices and hoome sales were

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 9>actually narrowing in the first two months of this year,

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 9>so we revised our long term outto for property market.

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 9>I think we think it's if you look at the

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 9>whole correction which started like five years ago, that's a

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:37.160
<v Speaker 9>starting point, and if we believe the whole process is

0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 9>to readjust the demand supply property supply to align with

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 9>the declining demand. We think the whole process now is

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 9>like seventy percent done, So that means that could be

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 9>still thirty percent to be adjusted before we see a stabilidation,

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 9>so we think that may take one or two more years.

0:32:57.000 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 9>So I think most by the end of next year

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:04.800
<v Speaker 9>we might find out a stabilization. You know how they market.

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 4>To what extent is the overcapacity problem in China being addressed,

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 4>because I know that was blamed for a long time

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 4>for kind of fueling this deflationary trend.

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 9>I think the government that I was actually doing something

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 9>since last year, and but it's basically focusing on the

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 9>supply side. And you know, they're asking some sectors, evs,

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 9>solar panel and also some online platforms. So I think

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 9>they just called it. I think they just had some

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 9>statement the last week, you know, seeing they need to

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 9>on our platform, they need to stop the price wars

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 9>and you know, cut the subsidies for those sales. So

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 9>I think the government definitely, you know, they're trying to

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 9>prevent a more cuss throat price war in those industries

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:02.000
<v Speaker 9>and trying to h make the price up so in

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 9>order to you know, have inflation returns sooner than they expected.

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:11.399
<v Speaker 9>I think that definitely we have seen some effects from

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:14.080
<v Speaker 9>those efforts in the price data, and I think this

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.399
<v Speaker 9>year they're going to continue to do those things and

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 9>combining with you know, the price the war shock, I

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 9>think that's also why we see the PPI or CPI

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:29.480
<v Speaker 9>is actually getting out of deflationary, although it's still in

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.480
<v Speaker 9>mind the inflation, but they're getting there.

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 4>Can you give me a sense of the latest readings

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 4>on sentiment that we know on the manufacturing side, the

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 4>pm I data was pretty robust, But I'm curious as

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 4>to how people are generally feeling about what's happening in

0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:44.880
<v Speaker 4>the Chinese economy.

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 9>I think domestically, I think it's they have similar feeling

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 9>in me that probably the warst time over right, we

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:56.919
<v Speaker 9>see some domestic demanded picking up. This is a very

0:34:56.920 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 9>slow pick cup, I think. I think many people economists

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 9>they would agree that probably this year we're going to

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 9>see some milder inflation and demand is stolen picking up,

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 9>although it comes the lowers across tuget. But I think

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 9>it's a more pragmatic move means that it's not going

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 9>to be strong stimulus. But they called me is still

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 9>holding up. You know, the experts are also strong despite

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 9>the terrorists, So I think the whole komy is not

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 9>at least it's not as as bad as last year.

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 9>So right, the last the final quote of last year

0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:34.440
<v Speaker 9>is the worst GDP liking how many years. So I

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 9>think I think that's the bottom of the economy right now.

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:42.279
<v Speaker 4>So things have bottom blout and we're improving in China. Yeah, right, okay, good.

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 4>That is Bloomberg economist Eric Jeu in Hong Kong. In

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 4>the last two week, City Group hosted its Hong Kong

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 4>Macro Conference. There were discussions about geopolitics and monetary policy

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:56.959
<v Speaker 4>as well as economic outlooks, and that's where we caught

0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 4>up with Patrick Harker. He is the former president of

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:04.320
<v Speaker 4>the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia. Pat spoke with Bloomberg

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 4>TV host Heidi Stroud, Watts and.

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:08.680
<v Speaker 7>Cherry on what a time to be a central banker?

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:10.160
<v Speaker 7>And I guess perhaps a better to have to be

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 7>an ex central banker.

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 6>What do you think the conversations would be like happening

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:16.160
<v Speaker 6>at the FED right now?

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 10>I think what the Fed's dealing with right now is

0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 10>the triple whammy of deportations, tariffs, and now the war,

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 10>and so that just adds to the uncertainty the economy

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:30.840
<v Speaker 10>is already facing. You know, it's amazing the US economy

0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 10>has been very resilient, but it's showing real signs of

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 10>fragility right now, and so the Fed's.

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 9>Very worried.

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 1>On the balance of risk.

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<v Speaker 7>If you were still in the hot seat, what would

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 7>you be voting for?

0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 10>Oh, I'd vote the whole no question in that this

0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 10>uncertainty is there. We're probably mildly restrictive when it comes

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.839
<v Speaker 10>to the FED country, but I would just hold right now,

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 10>let some of this uncertainly resolve itself, because inflation is

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 10>still above two percent and the FED has to commit

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 10>to getting it to two percent.

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:05.719
<v Speaker 7>The argument against that would also be that inflation has

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 7>been elevator for a while, right so we continue to

0:37:08.600 --> 0:37:11.400
<v Speaker 7>see this play out, especially with no resolution in Iran.

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:15.399
<v Speaker 7>Wouldn't the economic hit to the US be greater? Why

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:17.640
<v Speaker 7>are you still leaning towards holding now?

0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:22.320
<v Speaker 10>I think the inflation issue is paramount. The FED actually

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:25.160
<v Speaker 10>cannot do that much when it comes to the labor market.

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 10>What's happening in the labor market in the US is

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:31.640
<v Speaker 10>the impact of AI and other changes that are well

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 10>outside the realm of monetary policy. So I think the

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:37.799
<v Speaker 10>FED should really focus first and foremost on inflation right now.

0:37:38.440 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 4>That is Patrick Harker. He is the former head of

0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 4>the Philadelphia Fed, speaking there with Bloomberg TV host Heidi

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 4>Stroud Watts and Sherry On at the City Hong Kong

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:50.760
<v Speaker 4>Macro Conference. I'm Doug Krisner. You can catch us weekdays

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 4>for the Daybreak Asia podcast. It's available wherever you get

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<v Speaker 4>your podcast.

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Nathan, Thanks Doug, and that does it for this edition

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<v Speaker 2>of Bloomberg Daybreak Weekend. Join us again Monday morning at

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