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Speaker 3: My best friend's boyfriend pretended to be her so he

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Speaker 4: I mean, did he look cute though?

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Speaker 3: I twenty seven female, have a best friend of over

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Speaker 3: five years. Brandy twenty three female. Last January, Brandy got

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Speaker 3: a new boyfriend, Jeremy twenty four male. Brandy has a

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Speaker 3: long string of awful and toxic boyfriends, so I was

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Speaker 3: hoping to God that Jeremy would be different and that

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Speaker 3: she would have a long lasting and happy relationship with him.

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Speaker 3: By the way, this comes from Activad twenty three forty

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Speaker 3: go to the r slash Okay story Time Separate. I'm Sophia,

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Speaker 3: I'm Dakota, I'm ke On, and we're here to give

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Speaker 3: good advice goofy, But we don't have all the answers.

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Speaker 3: We only know what we do, So let us know

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Speaker 3: what you would do in the comments. ANNOPI says. For

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Speaker 3: the first few months that seemed to be the case.

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Speaker 3: I would hear nothing but nice things about Jeremy from Brandy,

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Speaker 3: and I never got any bad vibes from him when

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Speaker 3: she introduced me to him. However, come April, things got

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Speaker 3: on Facebook asking me, can I ask you something and

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Speaker 3: be honest? Do you find my boyfriend attractive? I was

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Speaker 3: slightly taken aback, thinking maybe for some reason she had

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Speaker 3: gotten the impression that I wanted Jeremy for myself. I

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Speaker 3: responded in the best way I could sing, he is

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Speaker 3: indeed d handsome man, but she's yours and I respect

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Speaker 3: that you're my best friend. I would never betray you

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Speaker 3: like that. Then the conversation went in a direction I

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Speaker 3: did not expect whatsoever. Brandy started replying with things like, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: he says he finds you attractive. Would you ever be

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Speaker 3: open to us sharing him? You've been such a good

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Speaker 3: friend to me, I think you deserve a little affection. Plus,

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Speaker 3: if I kissed him after he kissed you, it would

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Speaker 3: be pretty hot. To be honest, Brandy and I are

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty open minded when it comes to relationships, and

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Speaker 3: polyamory is something I've felt interested in, but Brandy that

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Speaker 3: seemed very unlike her. She gets very insecure and sometimes

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Speaker 3: flabbergasted to see her suggesting this, and it took me

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Speaker 3: minutes to compose myself enough to type a reply, Well,

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Speaker 3: if you're really sure you're comfortable with it, I'm open

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Speaker 3: to the idea, but I would prefer to get him,

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Speaker 3: but I would prefer to get to know him better

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Speaker 3: as a friend first and see where things go from there.

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Speaker 5: She agreed to this.

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Speaker 3: And then proceeded to offer to send me underwear picks

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Speaker 3: of Jeremy. I politely declined, as leude picks aren't really

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Speaker 3: my cup of tea. She then asked if I could

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Speaker 3: send an underwear pick of myself, which I also politely declined.

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Speaker 3: She didn't seem to press the subject further after that,

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Speaker 3: and things went back to normal for a while. Jeremy

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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks later, he said to me, can

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Speaker 3: I be honest, You're beautiful. I feel like I'd be

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Speaker 3: to kiss you. At this point, I was under the

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Speaker 3: and still hoped for us to polldate in the future.

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Speaker 3: So I thanked him and flirted back a little. Nothing

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Speaker 3: hot and heavy, just a little back and forth of compliments. Basically.

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Speaker 3: Flash forward another few weeks, Jeremy, Brandy, and I all

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Speaker 3: went down to our local pool together. I was debuting

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Speaker 3: I responded by simply thanking him for the compliment and

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Speaker 3: I was out running errands at this time, so we

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Speaker 3: Brandy about this? Are you sure she's okay with this?

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Speaker 3: So I took him at his wor and didn't press

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Speaker 3: for a hug, which I granted him. We embraced for

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Speaker 4: You know that.

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Speaker 3: I felt myself blushing and giggling at this, and I

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Speaker 3: with him, and, by extension, Paula dating him and Brandy.

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Speaker 3: We then went over to the couch together and started

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Speaker 3: talking and cuddling. He told me he loves both me

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Speaker 3: I told him that this idea sounded lovely to me too.

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Speaker 3: We continued cuddling and making small talk. After a few minutes,

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Speaker 3: he told me he had to get back home, but

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Speaker 4: Can I kiss you?

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Speaker 6: Future double wife? We yeah, well we want to get married.

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Speaker 6: Can I kiss you for the first time?

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Speaker 7: Though?

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Speaker 3: So WEIRDO?

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Speaker 4: Are you guys ten years old? He seemed crazy.

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Speaker 3: He sounds like a ten year old relationship.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and when day I'm gonna marry you and I'm

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Speaker 4: I love you both?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. He asked if I thought he was cute, and

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Speaker 3: I said I die. He was the most handsome guy around.

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Speaker 4: And then we watched Frozen.

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Speaker 3: I really thought that things were building up to a

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Speaker 3: wholesome polycule for us three. I continued regularly hanging out

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Speaker 3: It was a bit much of times, because I'm not

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Speaker 3: awkwardness about it. Then one day in September, Brandy messaged

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Speaker 3: put a stop to it. She wrote back that she

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Speaker 6: Wait was her saying that it's like if you kiss

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Speaker 6: him and then I kiss him, it's like we kissed

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Speaker 6: and that's hot.

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Speaker 4: Was that not in person?

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Speaker 3: That was a text? That's what I'm saying, Dakota. They

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Speaker 2: You might nebulize her.

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Speaker 6: I had to do a little Mongolian throat singing really quick,

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Speaker 6: because that's crazy. That's why the whole time I thought

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Speaker 6: that was in person, which is why I was like,

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Speaker 6: what do you mean she literally told you that you

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Speaker 6: could she wants to double kiss you guys. That's why

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Speaker 6: I was saying, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Dapota just didn't understand.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 3: I was like, why are you so yeah? Do you

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Speaker 4: Your new findings? You will? Yeah, you kiss, You should talk.

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Speaker 4: You should make sure that this is a face.

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Speaker 2: She talked to Brandy first, guess.

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Speaker 4: I was like, we talked to her once.

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Speaker 6: She Once you say that to somebody, it's like, that

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Speaker 4: It's okay. But I thought that that was in person.

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Speaker 3: If it was in person I would have made.

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Speaker 6: You don't have a triple check if someone tells you

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Speaker 3: You over one text, over one text? Okay, all right,

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Speaker 3: thank you now, Dakota is on the same page. I

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Speaker 3: She said she didn't recall sending any such messages. I

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Speaker 3: she sent them, or perhaps just really spicy. She said

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Speaker 3: and my heart sank. I felt sick to my stomach still,

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Speaker 3: I couldn't muster up the strength to come right out

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Speaker 3: and say this to her. So I just asked her,

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Speaker 3: do you have any idea who could have done this?

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Speaker 3: I don't think it was a random hacker. It seems

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Speaker 3: reason for doing that.

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Speaker 4: You're an idiot.

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Speaker 2: Everyone here you're an idiot. Everyone here's an idiot.

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Speaker 4: Other you're idiot. You're an idiot.

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Speaker 3: Jeremy has already kissed you, has already hung out with

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Speaker 3: you one on one, has already been flirting with you,

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Speaker 3: told you that he wants to marry you, and he

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Speaker 3: went who could have sent those takes? Shut up, idiot?

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Speaker 4: I don't like you. Itody, I'm angry.

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Speaker 3: I'm angry at you.

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Speaker 4: I take it back.

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Speaker 3: Don't I double take it back. You're once again the

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Speaker 3: a hole. I hope that would push to figure it

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Speaker 4: You're a betrayer.

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Speaker 3: you know what, No, it was Jeremy, this happened, YadA, YadA,

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I would take the bear of me.

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Speaker 3: I don't like you.

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Speaker 6: You are what you are the thing that keeps people

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Speaker 3: My best friend and I hooked up, but now she's

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Speaker 6: I'm Sophia, I'm Dakota, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Keon here to give good advice. Goofily, but we don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we gotta talk about that. It shouldn't that shouldn't be.

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Speaker 4: Stop, need stop? Yeah, we're done right.

440
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 3: And this part is blurry, but somehow we ended up

441
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 3: in her bed at the end of the night, making

442
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 3: out and fooling around. I honestly wish I remembered how

443
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 3: the heck we ended up there, but I have no clue.

444
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,879
Speaker 3: She doesn't remember either. Apparently we talked and ft. I

445
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,239
Speaker 3: don't know how saffig Spicy Sleep works, but we did

446
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff. According to our slash Spicy Sleep,

447
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 3: it was spicy sleep all night until five in the morning.

448
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 3: I remember her wondering out loud if she was in

449
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 3: love with me, and how she always knew this was

450
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,439
Speaker 3: going to happen. She is, I felt like I finally

451
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 3: knew what it meant to have spicy sleep with someone

452
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 3: you love, and now it's so much better. It was

453
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 3: just so comfortable, but so thrilled and amazing. I told

454
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 3: her that I was afraid she wouldn't remember this in

455
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,199
Speaker 3: the morning, and she told me she would and that

456
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 3: she wasn't even wasted anymore.

457
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 6: And then she was like, wow, last night was a

458
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Speaker 6: blue swirl emoji.

459
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I don't remember nothing.

460
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 3: Next morning she did remember. I think that morning after

461
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 3: was more amazing than the first night. We left for

462
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 3: a while hours we laid around and talked all day.

463
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 3: We both talked about how we could never do this

464
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 3: with any other girl, and how we both liked men,

465
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 3: so this was strange that we were enjoying this.

466
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 4: That is yeah, okay, eight, I think I've got some

467
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 4: news for you. I like ladies as well.

468
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,400
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, that's just called being by. I just keep

469
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 3: thinking back when we were holding each other she would

470
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 3: softly say, I really like this. I really liked it too.

471
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 3: It's been six days since that day. She had to

472
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 3: go home for the holidays. Her family lives a few

473
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 3: hours away, and she hasn't been back yet. We've barely

474
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 3: spoken since she's just so unpretty. I don't know what

475
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 3: to expect. Is it going to happen again? Is she

476
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 3: never going to speak to me again? I don't know.

477
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just don't know. And if it

478
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 3: did happen again, what would be be? I don't even

479
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 3: want to think about it. I'm not a sapok. I

480
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 3: don't think I am. At least I have never wanted

481
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 3: to be with another girl. I don't understand this at all, OPI,

482
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 3: you don't have to label yourself. Labels are only if

483
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: you're comfortable with them, and only if you think you

484
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 3: need them. Otherwise, you can just be yourself and you

485
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 3: can like this person. You don't have to put a

486
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: label on it on yourself, at.

487
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 4: Least genuinely confused. That's kind of sweet.

488
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the first time they've ever had this

489
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: like interaction with it like it. I'm sure that is

490
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 3: incredibly confusing. But you don't have to label it. Labels

491
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: are for other people and sometimes for yourself if you

492
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,719
Speaker 3: want them. I don't even want to know what anyone

493
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 3: else thinks like to think. I'm usually a very logical

494
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 3: and rational person, but right now I don't want to

495
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 3: listen to reason. I think I'm in love for the

496
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 3: first time, and I'm afraid.

497
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Speaker 4: Opi halligay.

498
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 3: I think you're going to be scared. Your friend's going

499
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 3: to be scared, because this is all very new for

500
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: you both. You're figuring figuring yourself out.

501
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 4: I've done nothing, You're.

502
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 3: Figuring yourself out. Tom says, It'sycopia has never heard of

503
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 3: buy or pan people. I think there is this like

504
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: this fear. I think when when you think something about

505
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 3: yourself and you've kind of gone your whole life thinking

506
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 3: about yourself in a certain way, and then something abruptly

507
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 3: changes your entire view of who you are. I think,

508
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: like you might know about the terms of like buy

509
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 3: or pan and stuff, but you've never related to that, yeah,

510
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 3: and so then it's like whoa who am I.

511
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 6: I just think it gets a little confusing in it,

512
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 6: and everybody's just a little everybody's a little gay, everybody's

513
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 6: got a little bit of it in them, just a

514
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 6: little bit.

515
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 3: I think. I think, let yourself figure yourself out, take time,

516
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 3: let her figure herself out, and you know what, I think,

517
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 3: go into it knowing that you guys might not be

518
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: ready for a relationship, but you also might be. I

519
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 3: just want her in my arms again. It's a feeling

520
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 3: that makes me on top of the world, like my

521
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: dream for the past year and a half, the impossible

522
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 3: dream that drove me crazy really came true. But at

523
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: the same time, it makes me want to cry because

524
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to happen and if she's

525
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: going to feel the same when she comes back. I

526
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 3: wish I knew what she was thinking, but she never

527
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 3: tells me. I'm so scared. I feel like she might

528
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: even just never talk to me again. I don't know.

529
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 3: And the only way that you'll find any answers is

530
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: if you try and talk to her.

531
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 4: You gotta talk to her. And that's the end of

532
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 4: this story. We're gonna go on to the next one.

533
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Speaker 6: Our friend has disgusting habits and it's ruining our home.

534
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Speaker 3: You stinky.

535
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 6: My fiance and I have a friend that comes over

536
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 6: for a movie night every Saturday, and it's gotten to

537
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 6: the point where we're just dreading it every week.

538
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 4: But don't know how to tell him we don't want

539
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 4: to do it anymore.

540
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Speaker 6: By the way, this comes from user John Paul, but

541
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Speaker 6: spelled with a zero in a one because they're cool

542
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Speaker 6: And if you want to submit your own stories, go

543
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Speaker 6: to the Oarslage Okay story Tom subburt it. I'm Dakota,

544
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 6: I'm Sophia, I'm and all of us are here to

545
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 6: give you good advice, Githhily because.

546
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 4: We don't have all the answers all right, so we're a.

547
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 6: Little goofballs Google. And if you would do anything different

548
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 6: from us, why don't you just tell us in the

549
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 6: comments anyway, op says, first of all, the food we

550
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 6: usually order food for movie night. Early on, I decided

551
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 6: it would be fair if we bought two weeks and

552
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 6: he bought one, because there are two of us and

553
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 6: one of him. So that worked for a little while,

554
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 6: but lately I feel like he's been taking advantage of it.

555
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 6: We used to just get a couple of pizzas, but

556
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 6: he would eat and entire pizza himself and then want

557
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 6: us to order him a side of cheesy bread too.

558
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 6: Just for him, and then he'd start eating our pizza two.

559
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 6: And I know this sounds petty, but it's been getting

560
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 6: to me for so long that I just have to

561
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 6: say it.

562
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: He always takes the biggest nices we.

563
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 6: Switched to, so we switched to getting Chinese instead. But

564
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 6: that's even worse. My fiance and I order an entree

565
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,479
Speaker 6: and he orders two. Every time, he orders twice as

566
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 6: much food as we do, so even though it should

567
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 6: be fairly split based on how often we buy, it's

568
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 6: not based on how much he gets. When it's his

569
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 6: turn to buy the food, he complains that what we

570
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 6: get is expensive while ordering.

571
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 4: Twice as much at twice the cost. This last weekend,

572
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 4: we ordered Altalian.

573
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 6: My fiance and I split an ice big house salad,

574
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 6: an entree, and an appetizer that.

575
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 4: Came to twenty four dollars.

576
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 6: He wanted an extra large pizza to himself and an

577
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 6: order of cheesy bread that came to thirty dollars.

578
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 4: And I know it's not a money thing.

579
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 6: He works from home and gets paid for forty hours

580
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 6: a week for what he admits is about twenty minutes

581
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 6: per week of work. He lives in a condo that

582
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 6: his dad pays for so except for food, his money

583
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 6: is entirely disposable. He obsessively collects lego sets, movies, and

584
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 6: video games, and he goes to the movies at least

585
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 6: once a week and sees everything that comes out multiple times.

586
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 6: He has no reason to take advantage of us like that.

587
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 6: I know he could just cook. We've tried. We're vegetarians,

588
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 6: and he doesn't eat vegetables. It just doesn't work. He

589
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 6: just picks around and wastes food. Or he'll bring and

590
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 6: eat through an entire box of cheese. It's an entire

591
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 6: box of wheat thins, and get crumbs everywhere.

592
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 4: Okay, so this is a good segue into the eating.

593
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, the guy is thirty six and is the only

594
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 6: person of that age I know that choose with his

595
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 6: mouth open, and it's bad. Schmackin' and shalappin and shaloppin'

596
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 6: and shalerpin. I'm admittedly a little nuts about mouth noises already,

597
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 6: but this is totally over the top. I know toddlers

598
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 6: with better manners. He tends to get crumbs or rice

599
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 6: in his beard, which he picks out and throws on

600
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 6: the floor and then grinds into the carpet like we

601
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 6: won't note it.

602
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 4: My fiance cleans.

603
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 6: For hours every Friday, and then comes Saturday, he makes

604
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 6: a week's worth of mess in his one.

605
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 4: Spot just from the eating.

606
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 6: I can't believe he's made it this far in life

607
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 6: without someone teaching him basic manners.

608
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 4: And then there's the hygiene. He just doesn't bathe, and

609
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 4: when he does, he wears dirty clothes.

610
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 6: It didn't used to be quite so bad, but lately

611
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 6: the smell is overwhelming. We've taken to putting a sheet

612
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 6: on the couch and still have to spray it down

613
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 6: with fabrize as soon as he leaves, and he always

614
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 6: wants a hug goodbye.

615
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 4: He's incessantly argumentative and pedantic.

616
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 6: He'll argue and try to make you feel stupid and

617
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 6: correct you over every little thing. We watched The Revenant

618
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 6: and I said something like, Leo's performance in such and

619
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 6: such a movie reminds me of his performance in this one.

620
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 6: And he says, now, such an touch game first, So

621
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 6: his performance in this movie remind you off it's performance

622
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 6: in the other one.

623
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 4: Who cares?

624
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 6: Is it really worth correcting someone over something like that?

625
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 6: He acts like we're idiots if we don't know the

626
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 6: super obscure comic book reference a movie is making, or

627
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 6: if we can't name the last five movies an actress

628
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 6: was in. He doesn't say stuff to be informative. He

629
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 6: says it in a combative, condescending way. You can't just

630
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 6: talk to the guy without him talking down to you.

631
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 6: And then there's the actual movie watching. Because he's seen

632
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 6: everything three times opening weekend. He's terrible about spoilers. We

633
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 6: watched Specter a while back, and in the first five

634
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 6: minutes of the movie he explained the entire plot every

635
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 6: twist while talking over the dialogue and simultaneously slurping his

636
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 6: way through pizza.

637
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 3: Guy's the worst person on the planet, and my food's

638
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: coming at nine o'clock.

639
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 4: This is like, this is like the we'll see.

640
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: This is like, this is like putting yourself through torture.

641
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 6: This is like you're willing you Every Saturday, someone knocked

642
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 6: on your door, came in and smashed all of your

643
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 6: objects with a hammer and then left, and you're like next.

644
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 3: Week, and you pay them. And then you paid them,

645
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 3: you said, hey, here's one hundred bucks, please come next.

646
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 6: Week, and and the own like he doesn't force his

647
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 6: way in you open the door.

648
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 4: Every Saturday, you opened the door.

649
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 3: And you say, oh, you missed, you missed the spot. Yeah,

650
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: you miss the spot. Can you smash that?

651
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 4: Thanks? And can you grind that into the carpet for me?

652
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 4: Thank you?

653
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: What is he bringing other than a headache, a stink

654
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: and more into your house?

655
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: I don't know.

656
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 6: We watched the most recent Spider Man movie a couple

657
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 6: of weeks ago, and he referenced an important plot point

658
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Speaker 6: that happens at the end of the second one before

659
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 6: the movies even started, ruining both of them. And it

660
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 6: wasn't his foe because we should have read the comics

661
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 6: and known he talks along with the dialogue, but always

662
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 6: a few seconds in advance, so every every bit of

663
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 6: suspense or curiosity is ruined.

664
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: The alternative isn't much better.

665
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 6: A couple of weeks ago, he fell asleep at the

666
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 6: start of the movie and snored loudly through the entire thing.

667
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 6: As if all that wasn't enough, My fiance just told

668
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 6: me she's been covering up when he comes over because

669
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 6: every time she wears a skirt or shorts, she catches.

670
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: Him just blatantly staring at her.

671
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 6: He's the kind of person who always acts very proper

672
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 6: and respectful of women, so I never suspected he'd google her.

673
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 6: But apparently it's been so bad that my fiance no

674
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 6: longer feels comfortable wearing what she wants in her own house.

675
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: So why can't we just say no more movie nights

676
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 4: and just end it.

677
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 6: Well, we feel bad for him, and I no longer

678
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 6: feel bad for you.

679
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is your own fault now, With the.

680
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 6: Exception of Saturday Magic at the comic book shop where

681
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 6: pretty much his only social interaction, he finally moved out

682
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 6: of his dad's house last year and is very uncomfortable

683
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 6: being out on his own. All of his other friends

684
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 6: have moved on. There's one that comes to see him

685
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 6: a few times a year, another he sees once a

686
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 6: month for fight night, but that's it. We live five

687
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 6: minutes away from him, and he always tells us how

688
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 6: much movie nights mean to him, and we just feel

689
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 6: too bad to take.

690
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 4: That away from him. He's our Bill dawtreeve. I don't

691
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: know who that is, but look, dude.

692
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 6: Honestly, at this point and we had to do this

693
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 6: with this stinky man who came to our shop.

694
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: Well, we only got to pull this.

695
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 6: Guy aside and go, hey, this is gonna be an

696
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 6: uncomfortable combo.

697
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: Oh, how dare you?

698
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 4: How dare you?

699
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 6: This is this sounds more like that that man had

700
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 6: a traumatic brain injury.

701
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: Okay, unless this guy's brain injury.

702
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

703
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: Anyways, Bill Dawtry from King of.

704
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 6: The Yeah no, no, no, no, no, no no no.

705
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 6: Everyone loves Bill. Okay, Uh, there's nothing wrong with him.

706
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 4: He's just he's just he's giving off. He's a he's

707
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: a good guy.

708
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: What's the comic book guy? Is this his name? Just

709
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: comic book guy from the Simpsons, that's who he.

710
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 4: Is giving off?

711
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know you're talking about.

712
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, book gay. You actually should have known that

713
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 6: that was the plotline, because you should have read issue

714
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 6: twenty four thirty seven of an obscure comic only I

715
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 6: know about.

716
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: That was another good impression.

717
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you. Full of them. They haunt me in

718
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 4: my waking hours.

719
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 6: You gotta sit this guy down and be like, look, dude,

720
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 6: we want to keep doing this, but like you have

721
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 6: some serious changes you need to make.

722
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, to just like.

723
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 6: All of it, you know, And yeah, my cat's name

724
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 6: is Karen says, Oh, he's enabling him you are, You're

725
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 6: making him think he doesn't need to change at all.

726
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: Also, I think like this idea that it's better to

727
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: hang out with people you actively hate because you feel

728
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: bad that they might not have anyone else is kind

729
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: of hurting them more because you actively hate them and

730
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 3: you're complaining about them Like that's that doesn't benefit them

731
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 3: to be around people that actively hate them and are

732
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: only hanging out with them because they pity them.

733
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, here come the next reasoning.

734
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 6: So why not just confront him with the list of

735
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 6: behaviors that are driving us nuts. I've already mentioned he's

736
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 6: very argumentative. He's the kind of person who just can't

737
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 6: be wrong. He gets very defensive and very emotional over

738
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 6: things that really don't require an emotional response, melodramatic and unstable.

739
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 6: All of the things that are bothering us are pretty personal,

740
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 6: embarrassing things, and I just can't imagine bringing him up

741
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 6: with him without him being really hurt, defensive, flying off

742
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 6: the handle, or probably all three.

743
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 4: You just got to give this guy the cold water,

744
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 4: and if he goes you guys are the worst.

745
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 6: You go, well, I'm sorry you feel that way, but

746
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 6: you're not coming over to our house anymore. And I really,

747
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 6: you know, I hope that you find the will to

748
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 6: change within you, because you know there's you need to change.

749
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: There's taking like pity and like oh man, that sucks.

750
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: But like boyl boy, this is not your fixer upper.

751
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 4: But it's hard.

752
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 6: It can be hard, dude, because like when you get

753
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 6: in this deep with somebody like that and then you

754
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 6: try to pull off, they can hit you with a

755
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 6: lot of stuff where it's like now you're worried about

756
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 6: their safety and well being because it's like, oh.

757
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 4: I'm not sure you know.

758
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 6: It's it's a it's a sticky it's a sticky situation

759
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 6: to be in on an emotional level, but it's not your.

760
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: It's just it's just not your unless you're gonna like

761
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: actively change anything about the situation. I don't know talking.

762
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 6: I just got to sit him down and be like, dude,

763
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 6: you gotta hear me. You gotta hear me right now.

764
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 6: And I don't want you to get emotional about this

765
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 6: because it's only coming from a place of just trying

766
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 6: to I want to help you. This is this is

767
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 6: a place of wanting to help you, and like again,

768
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 6: like I hate this.

769
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 4: I hate that I say this.

770
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 6: It's still not a good thing, but like, this is

771
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 6: the kind of guy who sees that like alpha man

772
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 6: stuff and like could maybe actually use it where it's

773
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 6: like that hard shift in mentality.

774
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 5: Well, but it's not.

775
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 6: I'm not saying it would be positive, but it's like

776
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 6: it would be better than this.

777
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 5: I don't know.

778
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: He's already being like he's like leering at Opie's fiance.

779
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 4: I know that's that's not good.

780
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 6: I just mean in terms of like I think here hygiene,

781
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 6: not grinding food into the car, like a corresponsibility for

782
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 6: your own life.

783
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think at this point I am a little

784
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 3: bit of u ulpi because you're putting your fiance in

785
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: a situation where she is actively being made uncomfortable, like

786
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: where she can't she doesn't feel safe.

787
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 4: Ah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

788
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 6: I don't even know how to approach thinking about considering

789
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 6: maybe having.

790
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 4: That kind of talk with someone.

791
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 6: But it's really getting to us. We dread movie night

792
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 6: every week as much as he looks forward to it.

793
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 6: I have a very stressful job, so I need my

794
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 6: weekend to be peaceful and relaxing. But I lose a

795
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 6: good five or six hours out of everyone because of

796
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 6: movie night. I just don't know what to do at

797
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 6: this point, and we have some comments. I couldn't imagine

798
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 6: intruding like that, especially if you have a wife. It's

799
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 6: different if it's a bachelor pad. But this is your

800
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 6: humble abode. The next time it's a movie night, why

801
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 6: not just say you have plans for dinner with another

802
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 6: couple and are going to have to cancel. Then the

803
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 6: next week make up another excuse why you can't do it.

804
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: Be a cowards whatever. Op replies.

805
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 6: He does have OCD anxiety and depression, which I relate

806
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 6: to all too well, but I don't act like that,

807
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,959
Speaker 6: and that reminds me of another thing. Depending on which

808
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 6: meds he is or isn't taking, he can be either

809
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 6: viciously grumpy or manic, to the point that it makes

810
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 6: my fiance uncomfortable talking about wanting to I f every

811
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 6: woman that comes on TV. This guy's thirty six has

812
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 6: had one girlfriend his entire life and slept with her

813
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 6: once and still hasn't recovered. We think what he really

814
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 6: needs is a woman's touch, but he refuses to put

815
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 6: himself out there or make any changes that would attract one.

816
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: Don't and that is the end of that story.

817
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 3: This man needs to go to therapy and figure himself out.

818
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: Hey, it's Sam. We'll get back to the stories, but

819
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: here's three minutes of ads from our sponsors.

820
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: My sister begged me to carry her baby, but the

821
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: doctors said no.

822
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 5: You should listen to the doctors.

823
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: So just over four months ago, I gave birth to

824
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: my fourth and last child. It was a high risk

825
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: pregnancy and the birth was very difficult. Me and baby

826
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: are both fine now, thank goodness. My doctors advised me

827
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: that it'd be best to not have any more kids,

828
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 2: and I agreed. My husband just recently had a vaseectomy

829
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: and is now recovering. By the way, this comes from

830
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: user throw our a affectionate one, and if you want

831
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Speaker 2: to submit your own stories, go to the r slash

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Speaker 2: Okay storytime subbured it.

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Speaker 3: I'm Keon, I'm Carly, and I'm Angie, and we're.

834
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: Here to give good advice. Goofiy. But we don't have

835
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: all the answers. We only know what we'd do, So

836
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: let us know what you would do in the comments

837
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: pretty please. As Opie says, my sister and her boyfriend

838
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: have tried planning for a family for a while, but

839
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: recently found out she can't conceive. She has been very

840
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: upset about this, and I do feel sorry for her.

841
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: Our family mentioned adoption or curcaucy for them, and even

842
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: though my sister's boyfriend was on board, my sister said

843
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 2: she needed time to think well. A couple of nights ago,

844
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: my sister called me to tell me her and her

845
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: boyfriend had agreed on surrogacy and we talked for a bit.

846
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: After a while, she brought up the fact of how

847
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: I I had done so well in all my pregnancies

848
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 2: and how I must have loved being pregnant. I knew

849
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: exactly where this was going and reminded her how my

850
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: last pregnancy was and yet here she told me everything

851
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 2: was fine now, So what was my issue? I told her,

852
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: even though I'm fine now, I won't put myself through

853
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: that again, and just because I am fine now doesn't

854
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: mean everything will be fine the next time. She then

855
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: straight up asked me if I would be her surrogate

856
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: or not. I straight up told her no. She then

857
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: started screaming into the phone about how selfish I am, okay,

858
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: and how I needed to look out for my sister

859
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: and help her when she needed it most. I then

860
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: told her I would help her with anything else, but

861
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: I was not putting my own health at risk and

862
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: potentially leaving my kids without a mom and my husband

863
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 2: a widow. Yeah, at this point, I get it. There's

864
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: other options. Could you find another surrogate? I cannot get.

865
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 8: At this point. We're not being nice anymore.

866
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 7: If you've explained that this could like lead to your passing,

867
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 7: and she's calling you selfish, Yeah, we are not nice anyway.

868
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: This is my life on the line, and this is.

869
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 8: How selfish can you be to ask me to do that? Yeah,

870
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 8: right back at.

871
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: You, bingo. My sister went on to continually scream about

872
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: how selfish I was being and how much of a

873
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: which I was being. At this point, I hang up

874
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: the phone. I say sorry, wrong number. I hung up

875
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: on her. I didn't think about it and went to bed.

876
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: The next morning, my phone was blowing up with Facebook

877
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 2: messages and calls from friends and family. My sister had

878
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: gone on Facebook after I hung up on her, and

879
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: she went on and which on Facebook about me. That's annoying,

880
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: that's insane. She went on about how I wouldn't let

881
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: her be a mom and how I had four kids

882
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: while not being a nice sister and give her a

883
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: baby like do I who.

884
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 7: On Facebook though, is reading that and being like, oh

885
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 7: my god, you're so right, like you she really should

886
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 7: get pregnant and deliver your baby like that, You're so right?

887
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like okay, everyone is like pinging me and

888
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: messaging me, And then I would post on thinking, hey, guys,

889
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: so the doctor said I want first. My last pregnancy

890
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: was high risk. If I do this, there is a

891
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: high chance I will not make it, my kids will

892
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: not have a mother, and my husband.

893
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 5: Will also high risk.

894
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 8: Also just means that, like the baby might have difficulties.

895
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: It's like, m the sister's annoying I was apparently being selfish.

896
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: My mom and a small handful of people are extremely

897
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: angry at me and calling me all sorts of names

898
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: for being selfish. While my dad, brothers, and several other

899
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 2: people are taking my side. Everyone on my sister's side

900
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: doesn't want to hear my side of the story. Of

901
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: course they don't. They think I'm doing this for my

902
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: own selfish intentions and not my health. My mom and

903
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: dad have been fighting back and forth now because my

904
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: dad won't take my sister's side, and this is exactly

905
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: when we were kids, my mom would always take her babyside.

906
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: I'm extremely pissed off that this has caused problems to

907
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: this point. My sister gets family involved. I should not

908
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: have to put my own health at risk for her.

909
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm being selfish at all, but I'm

910
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: not sure how to fix this. Any advice please, we

911
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: have an edit. I will not give up or donate

912
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: one of my kids to my sister. I would hope

913
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: who said that? Who said that?

914
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 5: Who dold you do that? Did she say that?

915
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: I'm sorry we have some comments, but I think you

916
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: need to air this out no matter what, like, oh,

917
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: you're not gonna hear it. It's straight up my life.

918
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: And if someone says, oh, then get the doctor's note,

919
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 2: doctor's note, boom. If I have the post proof of this,

920
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have to. But the fact that people are.

921
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 7: Coming out insanity, insanity, disgusting all of them.

922
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: We have a comment your sister needs therapy, not a baby.

923
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: If you feel like laying out your counter argument with

924
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: any medical documentation on social media to demonstrate another pregnancy

925
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: as a health risk, do that. If people still want

926
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: to come for you, then block and go no contact.

927
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: Explain that you are not an incubator, and those that

928
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 2: want to treat you as such will neither have access

929
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: to you or your children. Maintain your relationship with your

930
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: father and brothers. Do not maintain one with your mother.

931
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: She is a favorite and that makes her toxic. You

932
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: don't need that in your life. And we have an update.

933
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go straight into weeks. So I did what

934
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: a few people suggested, and I wrote a post on

935
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: Facebook about my situation. I used a few of those

936
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: people's words. Quite a few people who are on my

937
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: sister's side told me that when they read her post,

938
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: they messaged her and she told them about our conversation,

939
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: but didn't bring up my problems with my last pregnancy. Shocking.

940
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 5: I'm shock.

941
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: And those are the people who went to full arms

942
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: without asking you yy. Those people suck. I would literally

943
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: send them this the message and be like, all right, cool, clear.

944
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 5: I'm glad you asked for my side of things.

945
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 2: Bye, yep. And they're all disgusted for her to keep

946
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: such information like this out of her post. A few

947
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: family members who I thought you about my situation didn't

948
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: actually know and called to apologize. A few people still

949
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 2: think I'm not doing the right thing, though those people

950
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 2: are idiots. Several people at tagged my sister in my

951
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: post to tell her off, but she has blocked everyone

952
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: and called to scream at me for writing about personal information.

953
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: Girly Pop, you started this. I ended up hanging up

954
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: on her. Her boyfriend, who doesn't go on Facebook that much,

955
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: was looking through posts yesterday to find all this drama.

956
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: This is gonna turn out really well. He called me

957
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: and explained he had no idea. My sister even asked

958
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 2: me and even brought up finding a surrogacy with her,

959
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: but she always complained it was too much, and also

960
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: brought up adoption a lot, and she always said maybe.

961
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 2: He also told me that this was something he would

962
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: have talked her out of if she brought it up

963
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: to him. Needless to say, he was very much against

964
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: this idea. My mom never commented on my post or

965
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: said anything, so I called her to get together for

966
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: lunch and she actually agreed okay, but by the time

967
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: I arrived, she started telling me off for going on

968
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: Facebook to complain.

969
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 7: Did you not see the original post that mine was

970
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 7: in response of.

971
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 2: Do we not remember who started this. Apparently I should

972
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: talk privately and this was a family matter. I then

973
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: asked her how my body was a family matter, and

974
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: all she said was I made you, so it's a

975
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: family matter. I then went on to tell her how

976
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't and what would happen to my kids if

977
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: something happened to me, and all she said was they

978
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 2: will live.

979
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 5: Huh, they will live.

980
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 8: Okay, bye, not talking to you anymore? But what about me?

981
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 7: Me?

982
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: Do I get it?

983
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 7: You don't care if I'm here or not. So I'm

984
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 7: out with all the kids. We're all going not talking

985
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 7: to you anymore.

986
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: I'm going no contact with mom.

987
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 4: Ah, geez, I.

988
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: Can live without you, Mama. I could not believe the

989
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: stubbornness of this woman. I then went on to tell

990
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 2: her that whether they lived or not, it was still

991
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 2: going to break them. My oldest child would go back

992
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: to her dad and the younger three would stay with

993
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: my husband. Separating them would break them even more. She

994
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: still said they would live, and then went on to

995
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 2: tell me that I need to do the right thing

996
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: for my family because giving birth to four kids isn't

997
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: so a fifth would be a big deal and I

998
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: needed to grow up and act like an adult. All.

999
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: At this point, I'm like, all right, you have the baby.

1000
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: You'd be a If it's so simple for you to

1001
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: say these words, you'd be a surrogate. Do it for

1002
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: the family. Oh you can't.

1003
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 5: What's that? Dodgers told you should it?

1004
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: Doctor said you couldn't. Oh that's a shame.

1005
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 5: Do we not step it up for the family?

1006
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: Their mom ridiculous. At this point, I pretty much just

1007
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: got up and left. I literally cried all the way

1008
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: home from how angry and upset I am with this woman.

1009
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: Not long after that, my dad showed up at my

1010
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: doorstep and asked if he stayed for a while. Apparently,

1011
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: he asked my mom how our lunch went, and my

1012
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: mom told him I was still refusing to do a

1013
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: simple task for my sister, and when my dad pressed

1014
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 2: her for information, she wouldn't give him anything else. So

1015
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: he told her off for not thinking of all her

1016
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: kids instead of her golden child, because things could end

1017
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: worse this time. My mother only told him that it's

1018
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: my fault then, for not looking after myself. So my

1019
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: dad left her. We sat down and I told him

1020
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: what actually happened. He wasn't happy at all. Yeah, at

1021
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: least one of your parents has some sense. Yeah, my

1022
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: dad even kept both my brother's informed too, and they've

1023
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: tried talking some sense into our mom, but she still

1024
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 2: is in budging. In all honesty, this has depressed me.

1025
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: I feel my mom is grandchildren hungry, if that's a thing,

1026
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: and isn't really thinking of the negatives here. She's ruining

1027
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: relationships with three of her children and her husband to

1028
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: make her baby happy. In all honesty, there have always

1029
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: been situations between any of us siblings where my sister

1030
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: gets away with everything. My mom never told her no,

1031
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: so she is definitely a spoiled child. There would have

1032
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 2: been some point when me or my brothers wouldn't be

1033
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: speaking to our mom or sister. So it's now come

1034
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: to that time where everyone is starting to cut them off.

1035
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: The fact that you guys.

1036
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 4: Do this.

1037
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: Recurring cycle of hyeah, everyone pretty much cuts off like

1038
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: mom and sister because they just won't stop. That's crazy again,

1039
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: She's like not diverting. It's like, oh, your sister, your sister,

1040
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 2: like you did this, you did this. I wouldn't talk

1041
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: to my mom anymore. The fact that she said, oh,

1042
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: if I did do this. No, the kids will live.

1043
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: If you don't, that's fine, they'll live.

1044
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 5: It's insane.

1045
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: That's not a mother, right there. I'm sorry. We have

1046
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: a little bit left. My dad has been living with

1047
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: me since he left my mom, and the kids and

1048
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: my husband love having him around. I know he will

1049
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: eventually try talking to my mom again, but whether they

1050
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: get back together or not just depends. In all honesty,

1051
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: it seems like my mom doesn't care. And if they

1052
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: do divorce, I'll probably be to blame. Hah, I can

1053
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: already see it happening. Oh and that's the end of

1054
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: that story. That sucks. John here og host.

1055
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 6: We're gonna get back to these stories, but a quick

1056
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,400
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1057
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 7: My mother's favoritism tore our family apart, and now I've

1058
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 7: had enough.

1059
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 2: I've had enough too.

1060
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 7: I come from a Middle Eastern country. My parents have

1061
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 7: three sons and one daughter. Well, I am the youngest,

1062
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 7: thirty two men. Well, my oldest brother, John fifty mail,

1063
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 7: is by far the favorite child by my mother. My

1064
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 7: father doesn't express opinions often. When John was born, he

1065
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 7: had many health problems, so my mom practically lived with

1066
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 7: him in.

1067
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 3: The hospital for the first year.

1068
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 7: By the way, this comes from Throwaway quite Emily, and

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00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,719
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1071
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Speaker 8: I'm Carly, I'm Kean, I'm Angie, and we're.

1072
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 5: Here to give good advice. Goofully.

1073
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 7: But we don't have all the answers, merely know what

1074
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 7: we would do, so so you would do In the

1075
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 7: comments and Op says, every time we talk about something,

1076
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 7: the topic changes to John, I can tell them that

1077
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 7: I have problems at work. Oh, John just solved his

1078
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 7: problems with his boss. Take advice from him. When talking

1079
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 7: to him. Nothing of the sort happened. My mom expedited

1080
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 7: a meeting he had with his boss. It might be

1081
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 7: in my head, but I even have the feeling that

1082
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 7: she sometimes addresses my girlfriend Joanna as Johnna. Except for

1083
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 7: my sister Mary forty female, and my parents, who who

1084
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 7: are too old, all the siblings moved to different countries.

1085
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 7: John to Europe, James to Canada, and me to Australia.

1086
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 7: My parents visit John in Europe about three times a year,

1087
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 7: for two to three weeks at a time. In his country,

1088
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 7: they spend more time with John's family than with my sister.

1089
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 7: They visited me or the second eldest James. Once James

1090
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 7: moved to Canada about.

1091
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 8: Six years ago.

1092
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 7: My mother had a lot of problems with James and

1093
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 7: Mary ended up in group therapy with both.

1094
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 8: Both times, my mom claimed.

1095
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 7: That their respective spouse is taking her child away from

1096
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 7: her and whispering mean things to them about her, et cetera,

1097
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 7: et cetera. While Mary had more emotional problems. Mom doesn't

1098
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 7: love her as much as John. Mom doesn't care about

1099
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 7: her children. Mom keeps on alienating her spouse. James's problems

1100
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 7: were very monetary. He claimed that the parents gave him

1101
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 7: less money than to John, as well as babysitting his

1102
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 7: kids less. As the last one to leave the nest.

1103
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 7: I had some more knowledge about my parents' finances, and

1104
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 7: I can say that, except for one incident, which I

1105
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 7: will address later, my parents gave about two hundred and

1106
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 7: fifty k to John, about three hundred K to James,

1107
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 7: about one hundred k to marry, and.

1108
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 8: About fifty k for me.

1109
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 7: I went back to grad school and have not gotten

1110
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 7: married yet, so I didn't need much. In about twenty ten,

1111
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 7: my parents received a plot of land near their house

1112
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 7: and told all the children that if they wished to

1113
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 7: have it, they can if they agree to the following rules.

1114
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:27,959
Speaker 8: A The building of the.

1115
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 7: Plot will be led and mainly financed by the child. B.

1116
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 7: The child will live and said plot and help take

1117
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 7: care of the parents who are growing old and in

1118
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 7: increasing need of aid. Mary, who held a government position

1119
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 7: on the other side of the country, and me, who

1120
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 7: only just finished high school, were out of the picture.

1121
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 7: John and James could not decide. James insisted that due

1122
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 7: to the high value of the land, it needed to

1123
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 7: be sold and split between the siblings, while my parents

1124
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 7: said that it's a no go. After two years of debating,

1125
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 7: John picked up the glove and built the house. Later

1126
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 7: lived in it for about four years before leaving the

1127
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 7: country due to work relocation, not by choice. But this

1128
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 7: is another story. James fell and still feels robbed. The

1129
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 7: main incident happened half a year ago, my parents, who

1130
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 7: are still in need of aid, deciding to buy a

1131
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 7: house in Europe, right next to John, claiming this is

1132
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 7: an investment for the future. When we will pass on.

1133
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 3: This house will be passed to UOP while I.

1134
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 7: Live and plan on settling in Australia, which is in fact.

1135
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 5: Very far from Europe.

1136
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 2: Oh is it now?

1137
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 5: Yes, it's a little bit of the ways for us.

1138
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 2: It's pretty close right now.

1139
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 3: Yes.

1140
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: Yes.

1141
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 7: When James heard about it, he blocked my parents, and

1142
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 7: a month ago, after he calmed down, he told me

1143
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 7: that he decided to cut ties with my parents, that

1144
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 7: he felt second best at most, and that he couldn't

1145
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 7: shake the feeling that this animosity towards his wife continued

1146
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 7: for so long, and he is afraid to have the

1147
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 7: same treatment towards his kids. He is also in therapy.

1148
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 7: My mother, on the other hand, is crying NonStop about

1149
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 7: reaching out to him, about trying to get back in touch,

1150
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 7: and about seeing her grandkids. She asks about him every day,

1151
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 7: and I don't know how to break it to her.

1152
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 7: The worst thing is she does not accept blame or guilt.

1153
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 7: She constantly gaslights things about everything being his fall, et cetera.

1154
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 7: And now I'm stuck in the middle of this charade,

1155
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 7: and she acts as if I'm trying to change her

1156
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 7: in her old age is some sort of a crime.

1157
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 7: How can I tell her? Look, his life is better

1158
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 7: now without you. It's your fault.

1159
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 5: He cut you off.

1160
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 7: Knowingly if you are ever given a second chance, you

1161
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 7: will need to earn it. How can I convey the

1162
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 7: situation to my mom? Do you have any advice regarding

1163
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 7: solving this? Thank you in advance, and we do have

1164
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 7: an update.

1165
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: But first, with John being in Europe because they live

1166
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 2: in the Middle East, that's probably the closest of the

1167
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: kids other than Mary and Ope because one of them

1168
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 2: lives in Canada.

1169
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 5: Oh, he's in Australia.

1170
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: He's in Australia.

1171
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 7: John is in Europe. Yeah, James's in Canada, and Mary's.

1172
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 5: The one that's stayed, I think.

1173
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: But she's going to say country. I guess that makes sense.

1174
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like, what has your dad

1175
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 2: been in this like with these decisions, because it looks

1176
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: like your mom's just like the one doing everything. Obviously

1177
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: there's a golden child scenario here with a lot of

1178
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 2: the details that you've given us that's really weird. They're like, oh, yeah,

1179
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 2: we bought this house like in Europe, but it's yours. Op, Like, thanks,

1180
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 2: I didn't want it.

1181
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 5: I live in Australia.

1182
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: To live in Australia, thanks so much. They're okay, well,

1183
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: it'll probably should.

1184
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 7: Go to John, so update, I have decided not to

1185
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 7: take any drastic measures and simply dismiss any time my

1186
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 7: parents try to probe me with next time maybe, I

1187
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 7: don't know, we'll see.

1188
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 5: Et cetera.

1189
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 7: Recently, as you might be surprised, the Middle East is

1190
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 7: having issues and I felt like this was the first

1191
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 7: time James tried to probe about the family. If they're

1192
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 7: all safe, thankfully, My mom keeps writing letters to James

1193
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 7: and sending them via email. In these, she tries to

1194
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 7: guilt trip him into sending her information such as pictures

1195
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 7: of his kids, et cetera, with wishes for him to

1196
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 7: soften his stone heart. And every time I hear about this,

1197
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 7: I'm pissed time and time again.

1198
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 2: That's so funny that OPI gets pissed off. Can you

1199
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 2: imagine how James feels? Yeah, like, uh, excuse me.

1200
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 7: She keeps them all about herself and there is so little,

1201
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 7: if any care for him, how he is doing and

1202
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 7: what happened between them.

1203
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 5: After the last time she sent me one saying I.

1204
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 7: Was pissed out loud and told her off, saying that

1205
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 7: if she keeps sending it to him, he will block

1206
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 7: her email as well. Something his friend slipped out he

1207
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 7: does read them, at least until six months ago, and

1208
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 7: she asked me.

1209
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: Well, what letter would actually help?

1210
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 5: Can you show me?

1211
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 7: I immediately thought this might be a golden opportunity to

1212
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 7: let her see herself from the outside and might be

1213
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 7: the only one in sight. So I agreed with one

1214
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 7: condition that she would never send it. If she decides

1215
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 7: she likes it, she would have to write something herself,

1216
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 7: in her own words and her own interpretation.

1217
00:55:59,040 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: She was pissed.

1218
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,399
Speaker 7: How dare I claim she might do such a thing,

1219
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 7: such blatant plagiarism, et cetera, et cetera. She might have

1220
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 7: said more, but I couldn't care less, and it's not

1221
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 7: as if.

1222
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 3: She would do such a thing, would she.

1223
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 7: So, after working with a friend, she wrote the letter, James,

1224
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 7: I wanted.

1225
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 3: To apologize for everything.

1226
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 7: The image of our conversation hurting you for all these

1227
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 7: years is so painful, in addition to the idea that

1228
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 7: you feel the need to protect yourself from us, your

1229
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 7: own parents. I cannot undo what has been done up

1230
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 7: till now, but I can apologize, try to change, and

1231
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 7: maybe slowly we might be able to heal what is broken.

1232
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 7: Yet I cannot do it without your help. I know

1233
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 7: our actions made you feel unequal, that John is the priority,

1234
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 7: and I am.

1235
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 3: So so sorry for that.

1236
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 7: We have no such will or feeling, and I apologize

1237
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 7: that our actions caused you to feel like that. We

1238
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 7: have very difficult times being disconnected from you, your kids,

1239
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 7: and your wife. In addition, I would like toologize to

1240
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 7: your wife. Her addition to our lives included you drifting

1241
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 7: apart from us, and a lot of this frustration ended

1242
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 7: up against her, with no fault of her own, and

1243
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 7: for this we are sorry, as for only thanks to

1244
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 7: her we received our wonderful grandkids, for which we can

1245
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 7: only be thankful. I think daily about Aaron, Billy and

1246
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 7: Charles and wholeheartedly wish to have some sort of relationship

1247
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 7: with them. Next year, Op's wedding will take place where

1248
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 7: we are going to meet. I would like to meet

1249
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 7: you there in a positive manner so as to allow

1250
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 7: Op the peace on his special day. He does not

1251
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 7: deserve that our situation will darken one of the most

1252
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 7: important days of his life, especially with the current situation

1253
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 7: in our country. This day is not ours, it is his,

1254
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 7: and we need to make sure he is the center

1255
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 7: of this occasion. We need to make this work, not

1256
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 7: only for him, but for us as well. I don't

1257
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 7: wish to go back to our previous relationship. I wish

1258
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 7: to recreate and reconstruct a new one in which I

1259
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 7: can assure your importance to me in a way that

1260
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 7: will be acceptable for both sides in a constructing and

1261
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 7: riching manner. Anne would love your help rebuilding it.

1262
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 8: Love Mom.

1263
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 7: After writing it, I kept it to myself until my

1264
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 7: mother would raise this topic again, which took about a month.

1265
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 7: As we were talking about it, I reminded her of

1266
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 7: my one rule, to which she responded, yeah, yeah, We

1267
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 7: already talked about it, and I sent it to her.

1268
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 7: After reading it, she told me I'm a wonderful son

1269
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 7: and she is happy to have me. She said that

1270
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 7: she has read it and now understands my position about

1271
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 7: this better. Of course, I didn't tell her I'm not

1272
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 7: the only one who wrote it, but I let her

1273
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 7: think whatever she wants. She said she agrees with everything

1274
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 7: but the paragraph about his wife, which she will continue

1275
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 7: to hate, and other than that part she agrees, she

1276
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 7: thinks about erasing it and sending.

1277
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 8: It as is to him.

1278
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 7: I was pissed and lost it at her literally one

1279
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 7: condition and she pisses all over it. I told her

1280
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 7: that if she does anything of the sort, she could

1281
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 7: kiss my help goodbye from now on, and I was

1282
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 7: much less nice. She backtracked, said she was kidding. We

1283
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 7: both know she was not, and I told her to

1284
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 7: watch out. She started going to a shrink once again.

1285
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 7: She tried before and stopped after three times at most.

1286
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 7: My guess is that she couldn't stand the mirror and

1287
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 7: preferred closing her eyes to it. But this time she

1288
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 7: will be persistent. It lasted four times. She wrote another

1289
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 7: letter about a month after more of the same. Previous

1290
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 7: guilt trips took absolutely nothing from my letter, for better

1291
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 7: or worse. When I told her to look at the

1292
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 7: differences and see for herself, yours was integrating while mine

1293
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 7: was not, And with this my hope was lost.

1294
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: She's sending that letter's I think she likes toying with

1295
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 2: you too, OPI She's like, Oh, I'm joking, My finger's

1296
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 2: on the send button. I'm gonna send it. No, I'm kidding,

1297
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna send it. Your mom is someone who

1298
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 2: just doesn't care no matter what you say, what you do,

1299
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: the fact that he's like, yeah, yeah, Whatever's like, she

1300
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 2: brushes it off. She's in her own world where she

1301
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: thinks she knows everything, and obviously, like a lot of

1302
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: parents will act like that, but she doesn't care about

1303
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 2: your opinion. She wants to do it her own way.

1304
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 2: She thinks her own her way is the only way

1305
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 2: she's gonna do it. And once she does, I'm not

1306
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: saying she cut off ties with her right now or

1307
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: like eh, like you're done with her, But once she

1308
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 2: sends it, she has spat all over you, your ideas,

1309
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 2: your ideals, your help, whatever she wanted from you. I

1310
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: would give up at that point. I'm like, all right, cool,

1311
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: you did it. I told you the consequences of your actions.

1312
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 2: Now you lost another one.

1313
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, we've got a little bit left, though, I'm going

1314
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 7: back to my previous bubblehead mode and stonewalling every time

1315
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 7: they talk about him.

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01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 5: The memorial for my.

1317
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 7: Hope with this subject will be held at the next

1318
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 7: Milwaukee Brewers game Bring adult beverages. Regarding myself, we sent

1319
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 7: the papers and are now officially husband and wife. I

1320
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 7: am the luckiest man alive. The ceremony will only take

1321
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 7: place next year, and I have already instructed my friends

1322
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 7: to block any chance of mischief from my mom.

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01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 8: That is the end of that story.