1 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: This is the OTP presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. 2 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: Plan on paying less for the coverage you need with 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Farm Bureau Health Plans. Get a quote today at FBHP 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: dot com with Amy Wells. I'm Mike Keith. Welcome to 5 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: the bet MGM studio. 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: Well, it's good to be here. I do love it 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: in this studio. 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 1: Do you like rules? I do like rules are you're 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: a rules person. 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: I like knowing what the rules are. 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: You know what you'd like to be aware of the rules. 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: I like to be aware of the rules. 13 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: So at Titans training camp, NFL referee Scott Novak came 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: by just a few days ago. He's in town with 15 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: his crew, and what would you call what the officials do? Overall, 16 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: they just sort of work practice and they kind of 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: get into shape a little bit. 18 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 3: I think that's a good way to describe it. They 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: are there both for their own benefit, you know, to 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 3: kind of walk through things as officials, but also to 21 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 3: provide some parameters to Titan's training camp and give them 22 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 3: the ability to get an understanding of what officials are 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 3: going to be looking for, how certain things are going 24 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 3: to be called that season. So I mean it's training 25 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 3: camp for everybody, and that includes the officials. 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: And so the other thing they do is the officials 27 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: make a presentation to the team and to the media 28 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: about new rules, rule changes, or certain modifications. At Scott 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: Novak did that with the media and he did a 30 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: great job and the media did a great job asking questions. 31 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: It was one of the most informative sessions that I've 32 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: ever been to, and we wanted to share with the 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: ot people about the rules, in particular because they're two 34 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: massive changes that you're going to watch in the preseason. Obviously, 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: the kickoff rule. 36 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the big one. That's the one that requires 37 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: the explanation. 38 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: So let's start with this and why they're doing it. 39 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: It's designed to increase the number of kickoff returns, and 40 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: as Troy Vincent from the NFL office said on the 41 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: video that they showed us to cut speed and space 42 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: in order to eliminate those big time collisions. Yep. 43 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: So we're trying to make it more exciting and also safe. 44 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: So we're closer together. We're hoping to get returns and 45 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: we want to get less people hurt. Love it all right, 46 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: The kicking team will kick off from the thirty five 47 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: yard line. 48 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: So far, so good. 49 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: That doesn't change. The other ten members of the kickoff 50 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: team will line up at the opponent's forty yard line. Okay, 51 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: so they are twenty five yards away from the kicker. 52 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: At least nine members of the return team are set 53 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: up between their own thirty and thirty five yard line, 54 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: with at least seven of them at least touching the 55 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: thirty five yard line. That's known as the restraining line. Okay. 56 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: Players not on the restraining line have to be in 57 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: the setup zone outside the hash mark. 58 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: So as it stands right now, no one has moved. 59 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 3: We're just getting set. 60 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: We're just getting there. 61 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 2: Two. 62 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: And what you have is you have nineteen players within 63 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: five yards of each other. 64 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: Basically, okay, all right. 65 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: The play does not begin until the ball is caught 66 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: in what is known as the landing zone or is 67 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: returned out of the end zone. Here's an important point. 68 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: No players except the kicker and the returners can moved 69 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: until the ball is caught by the returner. So everybody 70 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: has to stay totally stationed outside of the kicker or 71 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: the returners until the ball is received. Okay, all right, 72 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: are you're ready for the landing zone? 73 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 2: I'm ready for the landing zone. 74 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: All right. The landing zone is the area between the 75 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: receiving team's goal line and the twenty yard line. Any 76 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: kick that's caught in the landing zone must be returned. Okay, 77 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: all right. If a kick hits in the landing zone 78 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: and is allowed to bounce into the end zone and downed, 79 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: or is allowed to bounce through the end zone, it 80 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: comes out to the twenty like the olden days. 81 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right. 82 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: If the kick lands in the end zone and results 83 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: in a touchback, as we know it either not returned 84 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: or traveling through the end zone, the ball comes out 85 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: to the thirty yard line. So if the kicking team 86 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: chooses to just drive it through the end zone, it 87 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: comes out to the thirty okay, five more yards. 88 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: Last year, which I mean five yards is five yards? 89 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: Five yards? Okay. Now here's the fun one. If the 90 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: kickoff fails to reach the landing zone, say, for instance, 91 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: it hits at the twenty five yard line, the ball 92 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: will come out to the forty. The ball will also 93 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: come out to the forty if it is kicked out abounds. 94 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: Okay, interesting, So how twists? 95 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: How confused are you? Right now? Marginally confused. 96 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: You know, it feels like there's just a lot of 97 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: if then, right, so I need one of those flow charts, right, 98 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 3: we can clear some of this up. 99 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: So when Novak was going through this and we were 100 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: asking our questions, what I determined right away is there 101 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: were elements of this I clearly didn't know, and there 102 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: were also a couple of elements that I had sort 103 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: of wrong. Yeah, So I was very thankful because the 104 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: information that we received from the owners meeting back at 105 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: the end of March, yeah, was not this detail. 106 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: It was a lot more kind of jargon, yes, and 107 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 3: it was a lot more probably the wording that is 108 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: written in the official legal ease almost for rules. This 109 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 3: is a lot more detailed and therefore more confusing. 110 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: All right, So I'm gonna let you ask some questions. 111 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: Perfect first, I got them. 112 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: But first I need to mention open a Titans checking 113 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: account at Pinnacle by this Friday, August second, with at 114 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: least one hundred dollars and a recurring direct deposit. Now 115 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: this is just through this Friday, and you could receive 116 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: two tickets to five Titans home games. Details at Titansbanking 117 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: dot com. Titans Checking from Pinnacle Play hard bank easy 118 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: member FDIC. So we're talking about the new kickoff rule. 119 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: We've laid it out for you. Amy Wells has questions. 120 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 3: I do have questions. Can I just list them? Can 121 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 3: I just run through them? Is that okay with you? 122 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: Sure? 123 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: Okay? 124 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: So say I'm the returner. Kickoff comes, I catch it, 125 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: you catch it, and my feet are on the goal line. 126 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: Yes? 127 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: Where am i? Am I in a landing zone? Am 128 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: I in a goal? Where am I? 129 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: You're actually not technically in the landing zone. You're technically 130 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: in the end zone. 131 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: Okay. 132 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: So if you down it, then you are in a 133 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: position where it comes out to the thirty, but you 134 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: can obviously run it if you choose to do so. 135 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: Okay, great. What about fair catches? Can I fair catch 136 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 2: this thing? 137 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 3: No? 138 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: Fair catch is dead? 139 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: More fair catch? 140 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: All right? 141 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: Well? Fair catch? Goodbye? 142 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: Okay. So here's a question. After the kicker kicks. 143 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: The ball, I like this one. I know where you're going. 144 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: Can he keep just running as far as he wants 145 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: to go until the ball is caught? 146 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: Well, that's a thought because he he's running at the ball. 147 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: When he kicks it, and so he can just can 148 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: take you. 149 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: On his momentum keeps going, You're thinking to yourself. 150 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: Can his momentum carry him into a returner? 151 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: No, okay, he can only go as far as midfield. Ah, 152 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: so he has to stop at the fifty. He can't 153 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: go beyond the fifty yard line until the play happens. 154 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: The feeling is with the version of it that has 155 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: happened before. In the XFL, kickers have often been involved 156 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: in tackles. But no, you cannot just keep let your momentum. 157 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: Carry you to infinity, carry you. 158 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: To you to infinity and beyond. 159 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: Okay, So how does all of this apply to, say, 160 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 3: like a free kick following a safety. 161 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: The safety yeah, also known as the safety kick. 162 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 2: Is it really called that? 163 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: That's what they called it in the rule book? 164 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 2: Really? Have you ever called it a safety kick? 165 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: I have not. I've always called it a freak kick. 166 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: I've never heard a human call it that. 167 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: But okay, So what happens that's interesting is the ball 168 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: is kicked from the twenty instead of the thirty five, 169 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: so fifteen yards back following the safety, but the kickoff 170 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: team is still at the other team's forty. The return 171 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: team is still at the thirty five. The restraining line 172 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: is still in the same place, and the landing zone 173 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: remains the same between the goal line and the twenty interesting, 174 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: so nothing changes except the spot of the actual kick 175 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: after a safety. 176 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: So say there's a penalty, then what are we doing? 177 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: The position of the kicker changes everything Again, everything stays 178 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:50,239 Speaker 1: the same forty, the thirty to thirty five, the restraining 179 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: line in that five yard area, and the landing zone 180 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: goal line to twenty nothing changes. What is interesting about 181 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: the penalties though, is and this was example Scott Novak used, 182 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: So penalties that had formerly been applied to the kickoff, 183 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: like say a guy catches a touchdown pass. This was 184 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: the example Novak used, and he taunts, so the touchdown 185 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: is still good, but there's a fifteen yard penalty it. 186 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: Now all of those kind of penalties have to be 187 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: applied to the extra point try, So if there's a 188 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: fifteen yard penalty in that instance, then it'll be a 189 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: forty eight yard extra point instead of a thirty three 190 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: yard extra point. 191 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: Ot people, at this point, I want to give you 192 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 3: permission to pause, if you need to rewind, listen to 193 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: some of this again. We want to make sure you 194 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 3: understand what's going on here. I'm going to have to 195 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 3: listen to this and rewind because there's a lot of 196 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 3: there's a lot of detail to this. 197 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: This is a lot. 198 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: Well, I took notes, and then I watched the video twice, 199 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: and then I got online and found everything I could 200 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: to read about some of these other scenarios as well. 201 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 3: I read the official like NFL operations, whole page. There 202 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 3: was a chart and everything. Thank you NFL. It was 203 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 3: very well done. But there's a lot here. Let's continue on. 204 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: I have more question. 205 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 3: Go, okay, So the receiving team, according to you and 206 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 3: your explanation, must put at least nine players between the 207 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 3: thirty and the thirty five correct, Yes, okay, So if 208 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 3: you do that, does it not mean that you'd have 209 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 3: two returners deep? So why would you do that? 210 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: Well, that's the rule. 211 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: Well okay, so I mean all right. 212 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: And in the XFL, I think they only had one returner. 213 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 2: I think so. 214 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: But in this rule, in how the NFL is doing it, 215 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: they're putting two guys deep. And what's what's interesting is 216 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: let's say, now, let's say you want to try to 217 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: kick something odd like that, you want to kick it 218 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: with a little bit of a knuckle or you want 219 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: to angle it towards a certain area. The two returners 220 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: give you the ability to field the kick wherever it 221 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: is in the landing zone. So if I kick like 222 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: a knuckler, something that's got a bit of wobble to it, 223 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: and it lands at the fifteen in the landing zone, 224 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: then I've got two guys back there to potentially bring 225 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: it out. Now the interesting part is, let's say it 226 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: hits in the landing zone and they can't come up 227 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: with it, you know, because once the ball hits the ground, 228 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: it's a thing it's on. Then yeah, that's a live ball. 229 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 4: So yeah, guys, it shouldn't be You wouldn't think it 230 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 4: would be too big an issue with two returners, you know, 231 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 4: and they're I don't think the league is really excited 232 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 4: about the funny kick being part of all of. 233 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: This, But it will be, well somebody will. I mean, 234 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: it's like everything else, somebody is going to try to 235 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: stretch the rule all different sorts of ways. But again, 236 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: it has to hit in the landing zone then, because 237 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: if it hits outside the landing zone then it comes 238 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: out to the forty. It's immediately dead at that point. 239 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: So can you be that good. 240 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 2: Can you sure somebody will be there? 241 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: I think more than likely. What you will see is 242 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: you'll see teams angle it two different ends to try 243 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: to pen guys in. 244 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: But then if it goes out, if it goes out. 245 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: Of bounds, it comes out to the forty. Yeah. 246 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: So it's a dangerous dance. Oh okay. So let's talk 247 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: about the elements here for a second. 248 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: So say say it's a windy day, okay, an exceptionally windy. 249 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: Day, Buffalo. 250 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, And so it's hard to get the ball 251 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: to stay on the tee and it's the whole thing. 252 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: So do you have to use one of your nine 253 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: or ten or however many guys have to come over. 254 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: And hold the ball. Nope, you get a free holder. 255 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: You get a twelfth guy. 256 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 2: And was can he can he run? 257 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: No? 258 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: So he just has to get down. 259 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: He gets down. 260 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: You are furniture. 261 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: Yes, this question was asked the other day. It Scott 262 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: Novak answered, is really good. So the twelfth guy comes 263 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: on the field, so you can play with twelve players 264 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: for one. 265 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: Play only if he's a holder and. 266 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: He comes out, he holds the ball for the kicker 267 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: and then he must immediately exit the field, so you're not, 268 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: so you still have ten guys at the forty twenty 269 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: five yards from the kicker. 270 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 3: So the choreography in my head is you've got eleven 271 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: guys going this like I guess straight yeah, straight ahead, 272 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: and then you've got one making a hard left or right. 273 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: Out of town sideways guy, sideways guy? All right? 274 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: Huh? Are on side kick? Still a thing? 275 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: Sorda, Okay, so. 276 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: What what does this mean? 277 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to help you with this. The surprise on 278 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: sidekick is dead. Rats won't happen. 279 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: Guys show up and they're like, wait a minute, are they? 280 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: And I know that some people are going to make 281 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: a big deal, but I checked on this. So oh, 282 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: the surprise on sidekick, It's happened twice in the Super Bowl. 283 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: It has but only two surprise attempts last year in 284 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three season, and just four in the 285 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: last five years overall. And I'm just reading this. Overall 286 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: NFL teams have converted two of the last fifteen surprise 287 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: on side kick attempts. 288 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: Hmm. 289 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, it hasn't been that big a 290 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: deal now, So if you're gonna, you know, start. 291 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 2: The element of surprise the game I grew up with. 292 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean the game. It's not really a thing. Okay, 293 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: So the the surprise on side kick is out, okay, 294 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: but the on side kick is still around. But not 295 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: until the fourth quarter, right, Yes, it must be declared 296 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: we're going to do an on side kick. Well, they 297 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: have to tell the other team so they can get 298 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: lined up in the normal on side position. 299 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: And then don't even do it. 300 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: You can't do an on side kick unless you're behind. 301 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: What So the element that they have kept in the 302 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: game is that if your two scores. Mind, if you're 303 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: down twenty eight to fourteen, and you score touchdown, then 304 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: you can say we're going to on sidekick because you're behind. 305 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: And so that will mean in the last two minutes 306 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: somebody can try an onside kick in order to get 307 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: the ball back and keep the game going. That's good 308 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: for business, that's good for television, all of this. But 309 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: the example, Scott novacused, if you're down twenty eight to 310 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: nothing with a minute to go in the third quarter 311 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: and you kick a field goal make it twenty eight 312 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: to three, you cannot on sidekick because it's not in 313 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. H must declare fourth quarter must be behind, 314 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: can't be tied, can't be tied, Nope, must be behind. 315 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 2: Just get rid of it at that point, like all 316 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,239 Speaker 2: the fun parts are gone. Get rid of it. 317 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: There are a lot of elements to this. 318 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 3: When you say i'm my brain is like smoking. The 319 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 3: steam is coming out my ears. So is is all 320 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: of this permanent? Is this just the way our life 321 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 3: is going to be? 322 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: Now? Now it's one year trials. I mean it was 323 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: voted in twenty nine to three. The Raiders, the Packers 324 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: and the forty nine ers were the only teams that 325 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: voted against it. 326 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 3: But like, after seeing all of this and a year 327 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 3: of a wrapping your mind around all of these changes, 328 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 3: I don't think you can ever unsee it. 329 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can unsee it. They've unseen things before. 330 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: Do a whole year of all of this nuance, and 331 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 3: then it's just it's like never happened. 332 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: Well, but you think about this, Only twenty or actually 333 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: a little less than twenty two percent of all kickoffs 334 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: were returned last year. 335 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 2: That's not a lot. 336 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: It's terrible. There were nearly a lot. There were nearly 337 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: two thousand touchbacks. 338 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: I know it's not good. 339 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: Hey, there was not a kickoff returned in the Super Bowl, 340 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: not one. Now, think about this, Amy, So what you 341 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: had is, instead of a football play, you had two 342 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: highly skilled kickers, Harrison Butker and Jake Moody. 343 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: Just kicking at each other. 344 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: It was like they were at the driving range. Basically, 345 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: they were just seeing how far they could kick it. 346 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: That's not a football play. 347 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: Now you get so fired off of that. 348 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: Do I kickoff? Yeah? I don't know that. I like 349 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: now that I've learned all that goes with this. 350 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 2: You don't like this either. 351 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying I don't like it. I don't 352 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: know that I like all that goes with it. 353 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: It's like a video game play. 354 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. Using the hybrid kickoff rule, and 355 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm reading because I type this out. Using the hybrid 356 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: kickoff rule, the XFL saw returns on ninety seven percent 357 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 1: of the kickoffs in twenty twenty three. I couldn't find 358 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: the numbers for twenty twenty four. I apologize, but ninety 359 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: seven percent. No way the NFL gets that high. 360 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 3: No chance the higher than like twenty two percent a win? 361 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: Could they? You know? Troy Vinson in the video said 362 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: thirty plus percent would be and I mean that would 363 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: be quite an increase what I think is going to happen. Okay, 364 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: I think two major things. Rich Vasacia, the longtime NFL 365 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: special teams coach, said in a recent interview that he 366 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: that there there probably will be tweaks during the preseason, 367 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: that there will be discussions about, you know, things that 368 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: just don't make sense once they see it in games 369 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: makes sense. I think teams will do this in September 370 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: and October. In the regular season. I think teams will 371 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: have kickoff strategies. I think teams will have return strategies. 372 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: I think you'll you'll get into all sorts of things. 373 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: I think you'll have injuries which will cause your kickoff 374 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: team to be lessened. Yeah you're saying, okay, we don't 375 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: have the right makeup here. I also think people will 376 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: bust some returns, which will. 377 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: Be fun, yeah, very exciting. 378 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: And then I think by the time you get to Halloween. 379 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: Just my opinion, but by the time you get to Halloween, 380 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: everybody will say we're just kicking it through the end zone. 381 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: So everybody will be over it. Yep, we're trying to nuance, 382 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 2: trying to do it. 383 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: We don't we don't want to have to spend all 384 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: the time to block it. We don't want to. We've 385 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: got guys who are hurt, the returners. Who is that 386 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: going to be? 387 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 3: What? 388 00:20:58,600 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: What are we going to do here? 389 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 2: Just kick it out, Just. 390 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: Kick it out of the insigne. That's just one person's opinion. 391 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, you're probably pretty spot on. 392 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: But I mean, to the OT people, that was a 393 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: lot more than you thought it would be. Right. 394 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: I'm telling you there's no shame in rewinding and listening 395 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 2: twice because this is a lot of information. 396 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: Does that count towards our listenership viewership? Yeah? 397 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: I think we get double if you actually listen to 398 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 3: it two times, three, four or five. 399 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: Please do that. Tell friends, go to neighbors, Hey, Titans fans. 400 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: Seat geek makes it easy to find tickets so you 401 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: can be a part of all the touchdown celebrations even 402 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: after an exciting kickoff return. Whether you're buying or selling 403 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: football tickets, seat geek is the place to do it. 404 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: Seat Geek the official ticketing partner of the Tennessee Titans. 405 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: The most disruptive idea in ticketing a ticket that works. 406 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: Expect the expected from gee Seat geek. All right, are 407 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: you ready for other rules changes? Yeah? 408 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: Because I think that there is a kick off? 409 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I mean we've we've kicked the kickoff, man, like. 410 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: We well, we wanted to do that. I mean, listen, 411 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: this is real inside baseball stuff in terms of rules. 412 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: And if you listen to the OTP for fun and 413 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: for abolity and the one for you, probably. 414 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 2: Not if you want a fun podcast, not here. 415 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: But I made this decision. I'm the problem. It's me. 416 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 3: No, this is a very important thing to understand. Well, 417 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 3: and we have preseason football coming up in like twenty minutes, 418 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 3: and can you. 419 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: Imagine how many times we're going to have to get 420 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: into the overall explanation of what this is. 421 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 3: Well, and there's gonna be a lot of what in 422 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 3: the world, what is this? 423 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 2: What is happening? That is not? 424 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: I can't wait. What I can't wait for is Coach 425 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: mac because he's gonna go now that one comes out 426 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: to the twenty. It's like, no, coach, that one's gonna 427 00:22:59,040 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: come out to the forty. 428 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: We should We'll just hang give him a copy here. Yeah, 429 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 3: we'll just hang it up for him. 430 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: All right. So the further rule changes after a three 431 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: year study. The hip drop tackle is now illegal. 432 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 2: I had to watch a lot of videos to figure 433 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: out what a hip drop drop tackle. 434 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: I did two. I did two. But the reason it 435 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: is now illegal it is a play that is twenty 436 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: to twenty five times more likely to result in injury, 437 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: not twenty percent, not twenty five percent, twenty to twenty 438 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: five times more likely to result. 439 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: In injury, which makes sense. It cannot be good for 440 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 3: the old lower extremities. 441 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: So in order for an official to call a hip 442 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: drop tackle on the field, the official must see three indicators. 443 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: The official sees the tackler wrap the ball carrier. 444 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 2: Okay. 445 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: The official must see the tackler swivel the ball carrier 446 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: in a way that oftentimes will just take the tackler 447 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: off the ground. Yeah, so he comes up, okay, he 448 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: grabs around the waist, he wraps, and then he turns 449 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: the ball carrier to the point that with such force 450 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: it generally takes him off the ground. And finally, the 451 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: official then sees the tackler drop his weight on the 452 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: legs of the ball carrier. Not good, So that's again wrap, swivel, 453 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: and then finally drop weight on the on the ball 454 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: on the back of the ball carrier's legs. 455 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 3: But let's think about this. Okay, you know how fast 456 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 3: an NFL football game is. 457 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: And there're seven officials. 458 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, do we think that officials are actually going to 459 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 3: be able to see all three of those things in 460 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 3: real time? 461 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: No? I think we will see We'll see him try 462 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: and will But but do I think do I think 463 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: they will get close to all of them? No? Because 464 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: I mean, to see, the game is so fast, and 465 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: they're at different angles, and plays happen away front, somewhere 466 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: in front, to the side behind. You know, all of 467 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: these things, and. 468 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 2: People fall in strange ways. 469 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: They fall in strange ways. This happens, and sometimes you're 470 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, you see something and then you're blocked by 471 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: two other guys who are in front of the play. 472 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not their fault. 473 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: No, it's a fast moving game. 474 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: It's a fast moving game. 475 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 3: So why even put this in if you know that 476 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 3: officials are probably not going to see it? 477 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: I think, obviously, to cut down injuries, I think they 478 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: will call some hip drop tackles. But here's the thing. 479 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: All of them that happened in the course of a game, 480 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: whether called for a fifteen yard penalty or not are 481 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: subject to fined. 482 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 3: So if they go back and see it on a 483 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 3: rerun or a video. 484 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: You're getting a FedEx on Wednesday. 485 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: Have a little notey note in your locker. 486 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: And you owe a lot of money. In some ways, 487 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to foul it. They hope to 488 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: foul the hip drop tackle out of the game. They 489 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: would like that. But I think in some ways too, 490 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: they will find it out of the game because it 491 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: really is in their opinion, that's serious. And some of 492 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: the injuries. In talking to Scott Novac after the fact, 493 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: the NFL official that I've referenced multiple times, some of 494 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: the injuries are groose. 495 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I believe that. I mean, it makes a 496 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 3: lot of sense. So how is something like video assist 497 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 3: going to plan to all of this? 498 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: Well, so great, you would ask video assist or replay assist, 499 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: whichever term you choose to use. Is something that has 500 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: been in effect for a few years. This is a 501 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: different point. Doesn't have anything to do with the hip drop. 502 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: This is another change. Okay, video assist has been increased 503 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: to allow the replay booth to help officials with the 504 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: location of the quarterback relative to the pocket and with 505 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: the location of the runner relative to the sideline. Okay, 506 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: So where do you want to start. You've got questions, 507 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: I can tell yeah, I. 508 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: Have many questions. So what is what is the rule 509 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: that it is going to be associated with that? 510 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: Okay? So it's pretty simple, Okay. On a play where 511 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: there is a question, yeah, about whether or not the 512 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: quarterback is out of the pocket. If he's outside the 513 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: pocket and he runs or he is running, he's ball carrier, correct. 514 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: He is not protected the same way if he's outside 515 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: the pocket and he throws the ball away, or if 516 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 1: he's inside the pocket and he throws the ball. That 517 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: obviously applies to the possibility of intentional grounding. Outside the pocket, 518 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: you can throw it away. Inside the pocket, you cannot. 519 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: It's intentional grounding. 520 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:11,959 Speaker 2: Okay. 521 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: So that will be something that replay assists or video assist, 522 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: whatever you choose to call it. They can immediately speak 523 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: to the official and say he was outside the pocket, okay, 524 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: And so they can without it going to a full 525 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: blown replay. 526 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: So they're just going to be able to di in. 527 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: On ding in and just come into the headset of 528 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: the official and say that's a good call. He was 529 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: outside the pocket or he was not outside the pocket. 530 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: The other thing too, about the position of a runner 531 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: as it relates to the sideline guys getting hit out 532 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: of bounds. Sometimes you see a guy and he's running 533 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: and he gets hit near the sidelines and it's a 534 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: brutal collision and it appears to be a foul penalty 535 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: markers throwne but he's actually not out of bounds. Right now, 536 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: they will be able to look at it, and if 537 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: he has both feet out of bounds, then they could say, well, 538 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: he was definitively out of bounds or he was not 539 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: out of bounds. Replay Assist can help with that. 540 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 3: Wait, so how is this currently being used, Like, why 541 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 3: are they not already monitoring that? 542 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: Well, they do. They're using it some time issues spotting 543 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: the ball, but we think that's going to get better 544 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: this year with the censors on the football. Another one 545 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: is is a ball caught or not? If they can 546 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: clearly see, oh the ball skipped, they will hit replay 547 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: assist and say that's an incomplete pass. Interesting, or you 548 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: know that was he caught it. It makes the game 549 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: more accurate and yet it keeps the game moving. So 550 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: they have expanded replay assist to do those things that 551 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: it has been doing, but to include location of the 552 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: quarterback relative to the relative to the pocket, and location 553 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: of the runner relative to the sideline. 554 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 3: So are we just inching closer and closer to the sky. 555 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 2: Judge, Yes, we're gonna have the sky judy in the sky. 556 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: The eighth official who makes calls from from the booth, Yeah, 557 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: that's going to happen. I mean, that's essentially what this is. 558 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 1: It's just this official, the eighth official basically has not 559 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: been empowered to be involved in everything. You know, do 560 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: they occasionally buzz in on certain things, and you know, 561 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: we're not one hundred percent sure. One of the things 562 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: that's difficult in our job calling the game is oftentimes 563 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: they'll say, oh, completed pass, and they'll run up and 564 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,959 Speaker 1: mark the ball, you know, and then all of a sudden, 565 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: the pass is not complete. They won't say upon further 566 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: review taking it right, they won't say I mean, they 567 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: won't say anything. So we're calling the game and it's like, oh, 568 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: Smith made the catch up at the forty yard line, Well, 569 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: why is the ball back at the twenty yard line? 570 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: You I mean, as an announcer, you think you've lost 571 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: your mind, You're like, I mean, so I don't think 572 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: they're going to start making an announcement that you know 573 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: it was changed, but it would sure help if it did. 574 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 3: How is this going to impact the challenges by the 575 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 3: old challenge, because that's important part. 576 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: The challenge thing has gotten interesting because now if you 577 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: get one this is new rule. If you get one 578 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: of your first two challenges correct, not both, but one, 579 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: you get a third challenge. 580 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: So you only have to get one right here. 581 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: And I have to get one right third. Yes, interesting because 582 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: a lot of what you were seeing is you were 583 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: seeing teams challenge something in the first forty five seconds 584 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: of a game and lose the challenge, yeah, and or 585 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: early in a game whatever, and. 586 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 2: Then something happens later. 587 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: Well, then something happens and they're afraid to use their 588 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: even though they're very sure, but they're terrified to use 589 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: the second challenge because even if they got it right, 590 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: they're out of challenges for the rest of the game. Right, 591 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: So now, I mean, this is just one more way 592 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: they're trying to get things right. 593 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 2: So that's what necessitated that change. 594 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it adds to the strategy of the game and 595 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: hopefully more correct calls are made. 596 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 3: Mike, this is mind blowing. I feel like we have 597 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 3: covered so much ground. You think I feel smart, I 598 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 3: feel stupider, But I think I will feel smarter once 599 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 3: I see it. 600 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: On the FET. Why would you say you feel stupid? 601 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 3: Well, because there's a lot of stuff rolling in my 602 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 3: head right now. Like it's gonna take me a minute 603 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 3: seeing this in the preseason a couple times, especially all 604 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 3: the kickoff stuff. I'm going to have to see it 605 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 3: in action a couple of times to start to get 606 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 3: a feel for what it is. 607 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: And hearing it. 608 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 3: You know what this really does lining all of this 609 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 3: up and really going like move by move within the kickoffs. 610 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 2: It makes what we see out at practice. 611 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 3: It contextualizes some of what we see during the special 612 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 3: teams periods now, because that is a very different thing 613 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 3: it is. So this this provides some context, which is good. 614 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to see it in action a little 615 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 3: bit to get used to it. 616 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: I think people just turn this off about five minutes 617 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: into it. 618 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 2: Oh No, I think that like truet people are riding. 619 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: With, they like to know. 620 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 3: And they like to understand, and then they like to 621 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 3: find it. When we get it wrong. 622 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: It's remember what you said. 623 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: I've never heard that appen. 624 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 3: Oh they don't say it to your face. Really, just 625 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 3: find it's fine, It's okay. I stick out for you 626 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 3: every time, much like high school. 627 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: No. 628 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 3: I think this was a really really good idea. I'm 629 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 3: glad that we were able to do this. I mean, 630 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 3: to get some questions answer. 631 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: It just felt like listening to Scott Novak. I was 632 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 1: listening and the media was asking their questions, and I mean, 633 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: I thought the OT people would enjoy this. 634 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I enjoyed it. 635 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: Class. I'm glad you had a great time. I sure 636 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: did it for Amie Wells, who really enjoyed it. 637 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. 638 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm Mike Keith and I was just sort of But anyway, 639 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us for the O T P. 640 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 2: I don't believe you got that today.