1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: my name is Nola. 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly are you. 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: You are here that makes this the stuff they don't 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 3: want you to know? And oh geez, friends and neighbors, 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realists. It feels so good to be back 12 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: to the best part of the show. You and all 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 3: of your fellow listeners. I like you guys, stick around, 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: Oh please do you might be on the show this evening. 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 3: We're going to talk with several people. We don't know 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: how much we'll be able to get to. We had 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 3: some excellent conversations we alluded to about the our episode 18 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 3: on the Manchester Pusher. Because again, props to props to you, Matt, 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 3: that's one of the many ideas I was digging up 20 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 3: through the trenches and I originally didn't want to do it, 21 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 3: and you said we had to, so credit where it's due. 22 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 3: You were absolutely correct. We actually had some law enforcement 23 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: right back about that one, we're going to hear from. Additionally, 24 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 3: we're gonna hear about some Hulla Blues internationally. Let's see 25 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 3: what else we got here. We got we got a 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 3: Randy of the bigger variety. Then we also have a 27 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 3: little bit of a Dey project and we have some Oh, 28 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 3: we have such wonders to show you. Is that the 29 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: line is that the line bound. 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 4: Heard email it every time? Or you know the hell Raiser, 31 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 4: the movie, the ride and the adaptation. Yes, sir, yes sir. 32 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 4: So what do you what do we say? 33 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: Gens? What if we what if we pause for a 34 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: second for a word from our sponsors? Full disclosure. By 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: the way, Nolan and I have not really had a 36 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 3: chance to super kick it with you, Matt or with 37 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 3: you Dylan post travel, So making some space there to see. 38 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 3: How are you doing? Man? 39 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: Just upset you're spending time with another Matt when I'm 40 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: not around. 41 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 4: Stillo is the matted question. I like him too, but 42 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 4: he can never replace our Matt. You're you're the og 43 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 4: Matt Matty. Two hands, Mattie, both hands, Mattie. 44 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: All right? Well, yes, uh doing good? Dylan, you doing fine. 45 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Dylan the audio engineer, by the way, has 46 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 4: been doing more than I'm sorry. What I'm describing is 47 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 4: Dylan's ability is to engineer miraculous audio. We've got this 48 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 4: saying that we use when we start recording talking about Dylan. 49 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 5: Yea, Dylan created in the first place. What is it, guys? 50 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 5: Digging up to dig up? 51 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 4: Time to dig up through to Vegas and somehow it's 52 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 4: just loned into this. Every single week we do listener mail, 53 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 4: Dylan has contributed a new dig up the Rude Begas 54 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 4: sound c And I think we're gonna make space here 55 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 4: at the beginning of listener Mail to hear. 56 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: Those further further behind the scenes while we're peeking. Uh, Dylan, 57 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: I want to give credit where it's due that you 58 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 3: have You have done a tremendous job of approaching and 59 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: interrogating genre. Yes, praise dig Up the Ruta bagas Dylan. 60 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 3: Can you bless us and our fellow conspiracy realist playing 61 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: along at home with tonight's clip time. I love it. 62 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: I love it. Dylan. Huge jazz, which I think we 63 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: all we all need a little more smooth jazz in 64 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: our lives. 65 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 4: It sounds like a public radio like Pledge drive bumper. 66 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 4: There's the music you just that kind of smooth am 67 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 4: gold vibe that you that you found there. 68 00:03:58,920 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 5: Good good job, sir. 69 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: And with that, we're going to pause for a word 70 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: from our sponsors and we'll return to hear from you. 71 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: And we are back. We are jumping to the phone 72 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: lines to hear from Alpha Flight, who called on February fourth, 73 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. That date is important because the day 74 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:27,559 Speaker 2: before there was a certain NBA game that was played 75 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: that we're going to hear about and then we're gonna 76 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: have some further discussion. So here's Alpha Flight. 77 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 6: Hey guys, Alpha Flight here calling in regards to this 78 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 6: pullabaloo between the tariff with the US and Canada. Realize 79 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 6: it kind of seems a little bit benign. In addition 80 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 6: to all the craziness is happening on your end of 81 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 6: the border, just a couple crazy things that happened even 82 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 6: just today, specifically the fact that within the span of 83 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 6: about four hours here in Ontario are pre here Doug Ford, 84 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 6: who is the brother of former Toronto mayor and KRACK 85 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 6: enthusiast Rob Ford, with the LCBO to the liquor Control 86 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 6: Board of Ontario where they took all of the American 87 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 6: alcohol off the shelves, which is apparently yearly a roughly 88 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:26,119 Speaker 6: one billion dollar industry. Also paused a one hundred million 89 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 6: dollars deal with Starlink as well as blocked and they 90 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 6: did illegal for American companies to have provincial contracts within Ontario. 91 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 6: And my understanding is a lot of the other provinces 92 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 6: followed suit with this. Now, the crazy thing that happened 93 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 6: is all that seems to be off the table now 94 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 6: because President Trump recanted his his tariffs for at least 95 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 6: thirty days. So it was great, but whole feeling of 96 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 6: uneasiness here between Canada and the States, I just kind 97 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 6: of wanted to get your take on it. Just feeling 98 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 6: a little a little weird between us. Uh, this this 99 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 6: relationships feeling a little strained. I was actually at a 100 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 6: Raptors game yesterday and the national anthem, the US national anthem, 101 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 6: i should say, was booed very loudly. It was cheered immensely. 102 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 6: So it's just things like that that are It just 103 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 6: seems so Uncanadian for us to be in this kind 104 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 6: of sad hella baloop before. But I'll say all up 105 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 6: and upgrade into a full blown kerfuffle between the So 106 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 6: uh yeah, I just wanted your your takes on it. Anyway, 107 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 6: I love the show, love hearing from you guys, and U. 108 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 6: I won't bring up that saying Ben, don't worry in 109 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 6: my nose is in the you know your seekers safest me. 110 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 6: All right, take your guys. 111 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 5: Oh good god man, all right, guys. 112 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 4: Prime Man of Canada Justin Trudeau just echoed most of 113 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 4: that sentiment in a public statement or a public press conference. 114 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 4: So he talked about, you know, we're hurt over here. 115 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 4: We don't understand why our partners would do something that 116 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 4: would try to hurt us. It feels as though the 117 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 4: administration of the United States trying to collapse the or 118 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 4: you know, injure the economy of Canada. And he said 119 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 4: the thing about booing the national anthem. But then he 120 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 4: also talked to individual humans who are Americans, saying we're 121 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 4: not mad at you, are still your brothers and sisters 122 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 4: and all of that. 123 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 5: So I don't know, Yeah, we feel bad, we feel 124 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 5: weird about it too. 125 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: Before we get into the full kerfuffle here for a discussion, 126 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: let's hear from that national anthem instance at the Toronto 127 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 2: Raptors game played on February third, I believe it was 128 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. This is just a quick little snippet 129 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: just so we hear exactly what Alpha Flight's talking about. 130 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: It doesn't feel good at all. 131 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: Well, it's not you, guys fault. You're not the we're 132 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: not at the at the helm of the wheel of 133 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 3: power here. But it is understandable. And if I could 134 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: just take a moment and say, first Alpha Flight, thank 135 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: you h for referencing one of the best superhero teams 136 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: in all of comicdom. And then secondly, yeah, thank you 137 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 3: for your confidentiality. Let's keep that incident. 138 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 4: What was the super team? I might I might have 139 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 4: missed that. Alpha I don't know about it. Tell us 140 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 4: Alpha Flight is awesome. 141 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: It's I don't want to derail z. I'll send you 142 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 3: way too many things. I also have some graphic way universe. 143 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 3: Is this from Alpha Flight is market making? 144 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: Just to make a quick point that it it's certainly 145 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 2: there's no responsibility felt when it comes to just feeling 146 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: bad hearing the national anthem boot I think it's just 147 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 2: generally a. 148 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 5: Be an American. 149 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, what it means right now, whether you're complicit in 150 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 4: it directly or not, we are seen as Americans, we 151 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 4: are seen as party to this kind of stuff, and 152 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 4: it feels bad. 153 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: Well, it makes you understand why Alpha Flight is just 154 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 2: feeling personally so uncomfortable with it. Right on a personal level. 155 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: It just stings in some way, all of this stuff, 156 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: So gosh, I guess let's get there's so much to 157 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 2: discuss here. We're going to be discussing tariffs at length 158 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: very soon in an episode. But this is just getting 159 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: us up to date on some of the real time 160 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: stuff that's happening. Even today on March seventh, as we're 161 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: recording this, there are live updates occurring where there are 162 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 2: just back and forth essentially retaliations that are occurring, where 163 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: tariffs are going up against Canada. Canada is retaliating with 164 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: tariffs against the United States, and then threats about further 165 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 2: tariffs against Canada are being made by the President of 166 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: the United States, and it is just going back and 167 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: forth and back and forth, and nobody is happy. I 168 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 2: don't think at least the human beings that are going 169 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: to be affected by these decisions and statements are. We're 170 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: not happy. Russia is super Yeah, anybody that wants to 171 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: destabilize maybe allies that couldn't. 172 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 4: Be a been feeling a little destable guys just as 173 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 4: a citizen, you know. 174 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 3: Huh, well consider you know, we saw the some of 175 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 3: the correspondents via conspiracydiheartradio dot com regarding the attitudes of 176 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: what the media is selling to the public. Right In 177 00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: our earlier episodes, we explored the the works like Foundations 178 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 3: of Geopolitics by Alexander Dugan and how this is step 179 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 3: in step the current US policies are indeed step in 180 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 3: step with some of the goals outlined in that work. 181 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 3: Please do check out our previous episode. I do also 182 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 3: just want to point out this has already held immediate 183 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 3: consequences for the economy of certain states, particularly the economy 184 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 3: of Kentucky, which is reliant upon selling alcohol to the north, 185 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: you know, up north, and you can you can find 186 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 3: many viral clips now of Canadian institutions or stores, grocery stores, whatever, 187 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: pulling American products up to an including the hard liquor 188 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: from the shelves because they are American. 189 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the Liquor Board officially said you cannot sell 190 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: American liquor anymore. So it's gone off the shelves. It's 191 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: too bad. And then you can go to Canada dot 192 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: c A and you can find a quote list of 193 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: products from the United States subject to twenty five percent 194 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: tariffs effective March fourth, twenty twenty five. And guys, when 195 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: I say this one's a scroller, this one's a scroller. 196 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: It goes everything from meat and edible offal of the 197 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: poultry heading zero one zero five fresh chilled or frozen, 198 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: all the way down to rice, all the way down 199 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: to cane or beet, sugar pastas at. Literally everything and 200 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: anything that you can imagine that is a product that 201 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: could be imported from the United States is on here, 202 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: including lighting fixtures and lighting fittings, seats, other furnitures, firearms, 203 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: other firearms, refrigerators, glassware, it's literally everything. 204 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 3: You gotta love firearms and arms because I love you know, 205 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: it's like reading between the lines and these statements. Somebody goes, okay, yeah, firearms, 206 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 3: and then someone got in front of it and said, 207 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 3: now the other ones too, smart guys. 208 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah. And then just ten hours ago, the 209 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: BBC wrote about how Donald Trump, or you know, the 210 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 2: United States government has expanded some exemptions from Canada and 211 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: Mexico from the tariffs. And then there were official statements 212 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: made literally moments ago before hitting the record button where 213 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: President Trump is threatening two hundred and fifty percent taxes 214 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 2: on dairy that's coming from Canada, as well as major 215 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: taxes on lumber that's coming from Canada, which is something 216 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: that has been disputed for a long time, the basically 217 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 2: trade of lumber and dairy from Canada to the United States. 218 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: And then you've got the Starlink contract, which was in 219 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: fact canceled, and then a proposal for one hundred percent 220 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 2: tariff on Tesla made vehicles, and it just feels like 221 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 2: an unending, at least currently unending, perpetual fight. 222 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, the word would be brinksmanship, because a lot of 223 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: these things are. This is classic nineteen eighties Wall Street 224 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 3: negotiation kind of tactics. You start off with something crazy 225 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: so and I mentioned this in something previous. You start 226 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: off with something crazy, right and bellicos and threatening, and 227 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 3: then you pull it back so that the real crazy 228 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 3: thing you want looks normal, right, like if you were 229 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 3: talking to your significant other, your parents, your kids, your 230 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: roommates or something. And let's say you wanted five parakeets. 231 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: Five parakeets is a crazy thing to get. So the 232 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 3: way that you get five parakeets is you say we're 233 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: getting forty parakeets or I'm burning down the house, and 234 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: then you wait for them to say that's crazy, and 235 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 3: then you step it down slowly to five parakeets, which 236 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 3: is still crazy, but now it looks normal. That is 237 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 3: similar to what's happening now. A lot of these proposed 238 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 3: tariffs are not going to come to pass in the 239 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 3: same way that they are loudly proclaimed, but we. 240 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 4: Already have like a stay of at least one of 241 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 4: them with Mexico and a tweet or a truth or 242 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 4: whatever that came out kind of I don't know. It 243 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 4: felt like somebody else wrote it first of all, but 244 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 4: just basically saying, oh, we got we came to an understanding. 245 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 4: Everything's cool now only certain types of classifications of goods 246 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 4: will be subject to tariff. And I just felt like 247 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 4: a full walk back. And I guess on the last 248 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 4: episode we just recorded, I mentioned a lot of chatter 249 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 4: on the Internet and elsewhere it seems to. 250 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 5: Be accusing the President of. 251 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 4: Market manipulation with this kind of stuff. I just wonder 252 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 4: what you guys thought about that. 253 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 2: Ah, potentially, but I don't know. I don't know enough about. 254 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 4: Well just walking just doing like a you know, I mean, 255 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 4: obviously the markets react to this idea of things being 256 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 4: more expensive and then to like, you know, now instead 257 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 4: it's happening, and then the eleventh hour pull back on it, 258 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 4: you know, kind of allows your rich buddies to buy 259 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 4: low and sell when it comes back up. 260 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 5: I don't know, It's just it could be a move, 261 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 5: that is all I'm saying. 262 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a nice follow up to what 263 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: it was just saying a few months ago. Like, the 264 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: idea is that you you deconstruct the concept of normal, right, 265 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:31,359 Speaker 3: you rephrase or re reframe what should be considered acceptable activity. 266 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: You know, you walk in and you say, this thing 267 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 3: that has always been fifty dollars is going to cost 268 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 3: two hundred dollars for you now, and you say, no, 269 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: that's crazy, and then you keep making outsize threats and 270 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 3: eventually you get to what you really want, which is 271 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 3: to charge sixty dollars. This assumes, of course, a somewhat 272 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 3: rational actor. 273 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 274 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's another tactic we learned about within 275 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: the real estate world where you'll allow a swath of 276 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: a city, let's say, or a suburban area to lose 277 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: a lot of funding or you know, remove some funding 278 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: from it. You destabilize that area, You let it, You 279 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 2: let the prices in that area fall and fall and 280 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: fall and fall, and the value of it to fall, 281 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 2: so that the wealthy individuals, often investment groups, can come 282 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 2: through and cut it up, and a bunch of groups 283 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: can come in and buy it for real, real cheat, 284 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: and then you put the investment back in and now 285 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 2: it's you know, super expensive again. I just I wonder 286 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: if something like that is happening on a massive scale 287 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: for purposes we are yet to know. 288 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 3: There are a lot of players in the game. You know, 289 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: the the US national parks may well end up being 290 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 3: sold off in an unprecedented way. That is on the table. Now. 291 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: We'll also see what the rise. Look, we're going to 292 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 3: talk about this. As you said, Matt a lot in 293 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 3: our episode on Terraffs. What we see is that protectionism 294 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 3: is a real tricky it's a real tricky beast to ride, 295 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 3: and in some cases it can benefit the people, the public, 296 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 3: individuals and the private industries of a nation, but it 297 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 3: can often come back. Like the pendulum swings in very 298 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: small increments, and it's very easy to go too far 299 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 3: to one side of the pendulum, especially when you're looking 300 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 3: at when you're looking at products, goods and services that 301 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 3: a country has to import. You know what I mean. 302 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 3: I'm thinking in particular of very sensitive things like chips, right, 303 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 3: computer chips or just regular chips. As fans of snacks. 304 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, food, food is important, and if you get most 305 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: of it from outside, then how you get that food 306 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: and how much you pay for it is pretty important. 307 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 2: All right, Well, guys, there's way more to discuss here, 308 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 2: but we're gonna leave it at that. Let us know 309 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 2: what you think about the situation, how it's affecting you, 310 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: how much that dodge rim is going to cost that 311 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 2: you once had as a pipe dream but now is unattainable. 312 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: You know that's a thing. Now. Anyway, we'll tell you 313 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 2: how to contact us at the end of the episode, 314 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: And for now we will hear a word from our 315 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: sponsors and we'll be right back. 316 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 4: And we have returned with more messages from you. Yes, 317 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 4: you got a couple of real strong ones today, y'all. 318 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 4: They're always strong. But first off, let's talk to Big Shucks, 319 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 4: who wrote in with the following missive, how illegal is 320 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 4: it to scam people who are trying to do something illegal? 321 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 4: My idea borrowed from a podcast which I think he 322 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 4: later determined to be our podcast, make a dot Onion 323 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 4: dark Web murder for higher sight, take their money, but 324 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 4: don't do that murder. 325 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 5: Where do I stand legally? 326 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 4: This is such a good question, right, Because I mean, 327 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 4: I guess, guys, if you're getting wind of a crime 328 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 4: that is potentially going to be committed, it is your 329 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: duty to report that crime and not profit from it 330 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 4: and then not tell anyone. 331 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 5: Right. 332 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 2: It reminds me of our conversation with Carl about the 333 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: killst because that's precisely what happened. 334 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 3: Spoiler Yeah, yeah, we had this. We had this fantastic 335 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 3: interview with guys Narra Carl Miller wherein he explores a 336 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: real life example of this, which perhaps inspired you Shucks 337 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 3: to write to us there. As far as I can 338 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 3: tell in conversations Carl, this is somewhat of a legal 339 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: gray area with light spoilers. In at least one instance, 340 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 3: law enforcement was in contact and I wrote to Big 341 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: Chucks about this. Law enforcement was in contact with someone 342 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 3: doing exactly what Shucks describes, and they didn't rest him, 343 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 3: They did not put the guy in jail, They did 344 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 3: not find him no civil nor criminal action. Perhaps it 345 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: was a greater good argument, but legally icy well. 346 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 4: So law enforcement discovered this individual on their own. He 347 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 4: didn't like come to them to try to be a 348 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 4: good samaritan and report this, you know, evil doer. 349 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 5: Right. 350 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: I believe the latter is true if I recall correctly. 351 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 3: But again this is not us recommending anything but checking 352 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: out Karl. 353 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 4: kN absolutely, But I guess the question being like, if 354 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 4: you did scam somebody they took through their took their 355 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 4: money and then reported them, are the cops gonna like 356 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 4: look at your bank account or question you know, whether 357 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 4: or not you took money from this individual? Is that 358 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 4: even because I guess that's where it's maybe it's less 359 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 4: of a legal gray area more just like a well 360 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 4: we're just happy to have the tip. 361 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: Maybe, But then also we get to things about the 362 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 3: provenance of profit. For instance, if you were if you 363 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 3: were engaging in human trafficking or those other unclean endeavors, 364 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 3: and then you were saying you were saying, okay, I'll 365 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 3: take your money I'm pretending, you know, to sell you 366 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: human beings. And then law maybe it's an order of 367 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: operations thing. Maybe do go to your local law at 368 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 3: first and say I found these people. But the question 369 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 3: I didn't really get to this with shucks. But the 370 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 3: question is then like why, you know, like does law 371 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,239 Speaker 3: enforcement not have this? One of the questions would be 372 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 3: is a vigilante or is a civilian active of their 373 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 3: own volition? Are they therefore somehow indemnified from the laws 374 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 3: we have regarding the concept of I. 375 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 4: Was gonna ask the same question Ben Trapman seems to 376 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 4: be a big part of it, like, because you could 377 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 4: certainly like to catch a predator for example, that TV 378 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 4: show you know, I mean, you are lying to someone 379 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: and you are coercing them to a place, to a 380 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 4: location under fault pretenses, but it is in the interest 381 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 4: of catching them in the commission of a crime, and 382 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 4: I guess that is entrapment. 383 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 5: But they still those end up on TV. How does 384 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 5: that work, guys, I don't know. 385 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 2: Well, there were two websites discussed in kill List. The 386 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 2: first one was the main one that was on the 387 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: dark web that was used, you know, and people paid 388 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars sometimes to put out multiple yeah, 389 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: and sometimes you know, five thousand dollars, two thousand dollars, 390 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: But to put out a hit on somebody. That was 391 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: what the kill this followed primarily, But there was a 392 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 2: second one called rent a Hitman dot com. That was 393 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 2: a it was a it was a it became a 394 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 2: satirical thing at first. I think it was rent somebody 395 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 2: who I can't remember the specifics, but it was meant 396 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 2: for a different purpose, and it was a fun title. 397 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 2: It was a fun web page domain right that they used. 398 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 2: But then it ended up several times. There were there 399 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 2: were several instants is where versions of this hitman for 400 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 2: higher website was taken over by law enforcement and the 401 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 2: exact same thing, the scenario you're describing their null happened 402 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: where it was actually the authorities watching you try and 403 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 2: pay five thousand dollars to put a hit out on somebody. 404 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 3: Happens a lot with CSAM, which is the acronym for 405 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 3: child sexual abuse sources. 406 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 4: Now, that makes a lot of sense, and I think 407 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 4: it should be something that is permitted. Yeah, I do 408 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 4: just wonder maybe where the legal gray area comes in 409 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 4: when it comes to individuals doing this. 410 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 5: It's interesting. 411 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, for law enforcement, though, we need to make this point. 412 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 3: For law enforcement, one of the primary concerns is, first off, 413 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 3: making a case clean and having incontrovertible proof. And the 414 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: second aspect, obviously is going to be the possibility of 415 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,199 Speaker 3: causing further harm even with the best of intentions. So 416 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: there are real reasons that these laws ex and the 417 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 3: tough thing is that often, you know, if you look 418 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: at the way of the world, often law enforcement is 419 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 3: at a disadvantage because they are obeying a rubric of 420 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 3: behaviors and rules that criminals are simply not beholden to. 421 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 3: So I'm on the side of catching bad guys. 422 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 2: If you want to read more about this really quickly, 423 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: you can head over to Rolling Stone. There's a twenty 424 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 2: twenty article titled how a fake rent a hitman's site 425 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 2: became an accidental murder for hire sting operation. 426 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 4: There you go, Thanks Matt, and thanks big Shucks. Next, 427 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 4: we got a quick one from Dave Hi. Guys, I 428 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 4: enjoyed the two part podcast. Yes, the CIA hired magician 429 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 4: thought you might get a kick out of this project 430 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 4: bug in a book that I developed for the Spy 431 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 4: Tech edition of Make magazine and subsequently delivered as a 432 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 4: workshop at the International Spy Museum in Washington, where I 433 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 4: met Bob Wallace. He sends a link to Covert dash 434 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 4: team dot net where you can see this DIY build 435 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 4: a bug literally in a we're listening device inside of 436 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 4: a hollowed out book project. And uh, I don't know, 437 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 4: I'm super into this kind of wiring and soldering and 438 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 4: sound capture and stuff, but this is be a pretty 439 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 4: cool project to take home, maybe even like with a 440 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 4: with a young tech enthusiast in your family. 441 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 3: I do love that point, And thank you Dave for this, agreed. 442 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 3: Uh it's new Crystal radio, you know, it's new little 443 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 3: Pinewood Derby kind of project. Uh, It's it reminds me 444 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,719 Speaker 3: very much, and Dave, you'll doubtlessly know about this. It 445 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 3: reminds me of a series of toys we talked about 446 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 3: back in the day hi tech. It was a different time. 447 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,959 Speaker 4: I had the sunglasses that will let you see behind you. 448 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 4: I remember those. I don't know if I ever And 449 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 4: then they had like some walkie talkies and stuff too, 450 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 4: But there were tons of cool little little kits that 451 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 4: you could get. But it was you know toy level 452 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 4: for sure. And this what what's what's being described here? 453 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 4: It actually it really is if you look at the website. 454 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 4: It is an Amplify shirt pocket, amplified listener hearing aid 455 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 4: with an in car FM transmitter. These are the devices 456 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 4: that were combined to create a wireless bug that you 457 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 4: can then tuck into a hollowed out book, a bible whatever. 458 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 4: It's got to be thick enough, and then you can, yeah, 459 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 4: use it concealed, just slide it into the bookshelf of 460 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 4: whoever you want to surveil or don't you know, without 461 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 4: their consent. That's not a good thing to do, but it's. 462 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 3: Well, it depends on your state. It depends on your state. 463 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 3: If you're a one party consent in the US, you 464 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 3: can monitor without consent. 465 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 5: So that's yeah, thanks for the tip on that. And 466 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 5: would love to get a hold of one of these. 467 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 4: And lastly, maybe this one is what I should have 468 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 4: led with, but it maybe is outside the scope of 469 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 4: what we have time for today, but I do think 470 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 4: it's worth mentioning this message that came from. 471 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 5: Aaron a Aaron Zen. 472 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 4: And I'm just gonna among multiple things that Aaron A. Aaronson 473 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 4: contacted us about I'm a big fan of this revelation. 474 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 4: That was something that I wasn't aware of. Amongst all 475 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 4: the stuff that's happening with Trump trying to turn the 476 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 4: world upside down with his cronies, one thing was announced 477 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 4: that got lost in the volume of announcements, the creation 478 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 4: of a sovereign wealth funds WF. What is a sovereign 479 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 4: wealth fund, you ask? It is a national fund owned 480 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 4: by the government that uses money to invest in anything 481 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 4: and everything to grow wealth for the country. They trade 482 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 4: openly and are more common than people think, with many 483 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 4: nations around the world setting up these funds to act 484 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 4: independently of their government with the sole purpose of making money. 485 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 4: Some of the most famous ones are the national funds 486 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 4: of oil rich Arab states, where they are investing any 487 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 4: oil profits as to be able to diversify their economy 488 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 4: and or have a source of income once the oil 489 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 4: runs out. It's their sole income generator. Other nations have 490 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 4: these funds set up so as to create a piggy 491 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 4: bank for future liabilities that might not be able to 492 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 4: be met and or would place undue pressure on the 493 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 4: tax payer. Our listener here is from Australia, and talks 494 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 4: about how in two thousand and six they set one 495 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 4: up to meet the unfunded pension requirements of public servants. 496 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 4: And Yeah, I was definitely familiar with the UH. These 497 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 4: type of funds used in Arab nations to invest in 498 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 4: things like infrastructure and like all kinds of you know, 499 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 4: UH economic development programs and things of Ben and when 500 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 4: when Ben and I were in Qatar recently at a 501 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 4: big giant tech conference, we were certainly seeing all kinds 502 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 4: of startups that were likely benefiting from this setup and 503 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 4: getting funded, you know, everything from laying fiber by telecom 504 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 4: companies to even. 505 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 5: Like apps like food delivery type stuff. 506 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed. The sovereign wealth fund or sovereign investment fund 507 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 3: is there are sometimes also called It's a thing where 508 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 3: you have a you have a bunch of money that 509 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 3: your local nation state has made and they want to 510 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 3: take in theory collective responsibility to engage with money management 511 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 3: for the betterment of the nation, however that may be defined. 512 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 3: And as you described, NOL, we appen in areas of 513 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 3: the world where this stuff occurs. Personally, I have an 514 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 3: abiding interest in these sorts of funds what I would 515 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 3: call in correspondence with the Aaron, what I called the 516 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 3: least harmful SWF was Norway's or is Norway's, because Norway 517 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 3: has made quite a bit of scratch off their fossil 518 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 3: fuel industry. However, they are at a certain point, as 519 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 3: you point out as well, Aaron, they're past a certain 520 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 3: threshold of size financially such that if they put too 521 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 3: much money into a domestic thing at once, then they 522 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 3: can distort the market in a way that weirdly enough, 523 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 3: ends up hurting people. So there's definitely more to explore 524 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 3: to this story, and so much got lost with all 525 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: the all of the I'LB diplomatic all the strident declarations 526 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 3: or pitches coming from the current presidential administration. It's hard 527 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 3: to know. 528 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it also points out that since the US, 529 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 4: unlike some of the other nations that we mentioned that 530 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 4: you mentioned, doesn't have nationalized businesses that have value that 531 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 4: can be sold, you know, like profit oil profits or whatever, 532 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 4: you know, to fund this kind of stuff, the idea 533 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 4: would be that all of this stuff would have to 534 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 4: be borrowed. And also one thing that I've heard is 535 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 4: that within this portfolio, you know, it could involve investing 536 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 4: in things like crypto, like cryptocurrency and certain what would 537 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 4: be considered like almost meme coins, you know, I mean 538 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 4: that with the lack of transparency in that type of investment. 539 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 4: So that was interesting to me as well, because there's 540 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 4: a lot of talk in Washington about you know, crypto 541 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 4: reserves and all that, but we also know that stuff 542 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 4: historically has been pretty risky. 543 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 3: But it has a recent history to be fair, you 544 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 3: know what I mean. Crypto hasn't been around forever, and 545 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 3: neither has sovereign wealth fund. One of the most surprising 546 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 3: things we learn about it in our research is the 547 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 3: at least the language of it. The name only comes 548 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 3: about in like two thousand and five, right shortly before 549 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 3: this show began, and the actual what we call the 550 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 3: entry point for something like a sovereign wealth fund in 551 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 3: this concept, I don't know. I mean, obviously something like 552 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 3: this existed before there was a name put on it. 553 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 3: Mansa Musa in Evenings of Old absolutely broke multiple economies 554 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,479 Speaker 3: of Northern Africa just because he was too rich. It 555 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 3: had too much money, in this case literally gold. The 556 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 3: problem is still the same, but please check out our 557 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 3: episodes on the US Treasury and it'll tie into our 558 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 3: tariff episode as well, because the money moves and sometimes 559 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 3: more money makes more problems. Shout out to you so. 560 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 4: Huge thanks to Big Shocks, Dave and Aaron a Aaron Son. 561 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 4: I really appreciate you writing in and giving us some 562 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 4: stuff to think about and talk about. Let's take a 563 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 4: quick break here aware from our sponsor, and then we'll 564 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 4: come back with our last bit of a listener mail. 565 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 4: In today's Listener Mail episode. 566 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 3: We have returned with the vital act of our weekly 567 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 3: Listener Male segment. This would well, we'll keep it kind 568 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 3: of short, but I think it's something that is of 569 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 3: interest to all of us. Not too long ago, we 570 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 3: received an excellent piece of correspondence from someone going by 571 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 3: check out this name you guys, the Wondering Wizard. I 572 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 3: kind of like it. I think it refers to maybe 573 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 3: those memes that have been going around where it's a 574 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 3: picture or wandering. I think they're both the same. You know, 575 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 3: so have you again? Have you all seen the the 576 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 3: those excellent memes of like old school paintings of a wizard. 577 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 3: They say, I never see you at the club. You 578 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 3: say you never see me at the club. I never 579 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 3: see you at the sky. Fortress exactly. 580 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 5: Yes, I love those. 581 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 4: I've sent them to a few bros, including yourselves. I 582 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,479 Speaker 4: could swear that I've sent you guys some Wizard memes 583 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 4: at some point. I've been a big fan of the 584 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 4: format for sure. 585 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 3: Man, we are big fans of wandering and wandering Wizards. 586 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,439 Speaker 3: And just to get in front of this, we can 587 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 3: confirm to you guys, our pals from this is Important 588 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 3: have absolutely nothing to do with the wizards wrapping that 589 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 3: has been confirmed to be a common misapprehension. 590 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, those those guys that know the workaholics dudes, that's it. 591 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 3: That's the only relationship they have. Our Wandering Wizard writes 592 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 3: to us and says, have you guys done a show 593 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 3: on the prophecy of the Popes? The current pope, Pope Francis, 594 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 3: is the one hundred and twelfth pope that we know of, 595 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 3: and the prophecy has only listed one hundred and twelve. 596 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 3: Thought it might make for an interesting episode or deep 597 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 3: dive either way, love the show. You guys and your 598 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 3: team are pretty great. Keep up the good work. I 599 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 3: added the pretty so that we didn't sound you know, 600 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 3: we have to copy on it a little bit. 601 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 6: Yes, big. 602 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 3: So big. Have you guys heard of the Prophecy of 603 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 3: the Popes? Oh? 604 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember this from a while back, because this 605 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 2: has been around for a minute. 606 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, you are correct, mister Frederick. It is a 607 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 3: series of i would say, free verse poetry in Latin 608 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 3: that claims to predict the future holders of the of 609 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 3: the papal office. It was first published by a monk 610 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 3: back in fifteen ninety five, his name Arnold Won maybe 611 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 3: by on w Io and this guy. When he published it, 612 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 3: he said, look, I'm getting this from another dude from 613 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 3: back in the eleven hundred. It's his name is Saint Malachi. Well, 614 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 3: you know, if it doesn't work out, it's not me 615 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 3: I'm quoting, you know, big Mallie. 616 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 2: If you're searching it, it doesn't look like Malachi the 617 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 2: way I know it to be spelled. It's m a lacy. 618 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, a state of pure Malichi. Look, there's 619 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 3: the alleged original prophecy, and then there's an interpretation of 620 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 3: the prophecy. And the interpretation is really when we run 621 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 3: into what I would call the Nostradamus problem. Did you 622 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 3: guys ever really get into those Nostradamus quatrains? 623 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, when we talked about him. 624 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 3: Exactly we did, we did, all right? All right, yeah, no, 625 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 3: that's a good point. We talked about Nostradamus, and the 626 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 3: problem with prognostications so often, especially through the great telephone 627 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 3: game of history, is that people will kind of read 628 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 3: what they want to hear when they see these prophecies 629 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 3: nostro Damas. For instance, I remember there was an old 630 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 3: book we picked up where they said they had some 631 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 3: very like vague thing, and the author tried to assure 632 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 3: us it was entirely about the nineteen ninety six attack 633 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 3: at the Atlanta Olympic Games. O kick, you know what 634 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 3: I mean? Right, Okay, So let's learn really briefly a 635 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 3: bit about Saint Malachi or Malachi just to set this up. 636 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 3: This guy lives from like ten ninety four to eleven 637 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 3: forty eight CE, so after the time of Jesus Christ. 638 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 3: He is from modern day Ireland. And his final prediction 639 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 3: is the following. We're going to read this in English, 640 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 3: so we may lose a little bit in translation. In 641 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 3: the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will 642 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 3: reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid 643 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 3: many tribulations, after which the seven, hilled city will be destroyed, 644 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 3: and the dreadful judge Capital j will judge the people 645 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 3: the end. Indeed, yes, yeah, they had a hard period 646 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 3: on that. So the idea is the way people are 647 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 3: trying to confirm this is by arguing that Pope Francis, 648 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 3: as he's known now, he chose his papal name in 649 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 3: the honor of Saint Francis ASSISI. He was born pre 650 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 3: papacy Jorge Mario Burgoglio or jog. 651 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,320 Speaker 5: Leo Good So, yeah, I think somewhere in between. 652 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 3: Yes, apologies for pronunciations spelled b E r go O 653 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 3: g l Io. And some of the folks who really, 654 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 3: you know, put a full brunt of credence in this. 655 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 3: They say this prophecy from Saint Malachi is referring to 656 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 3: the fact that the father of Saint Francis, Pope Francis's namesake, 657 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 3: is named Pietro, which translates to Peter. Feels like a 658 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 3: little bit of walk. Just gonna be honest, feels like 659 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,959 Speaker 3: a little bit of a stretch. Matt's doing a great 660 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 3: shrug and clap. 661 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 2: What if uh huh, Peter, Yeah, is the next pot 662 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 2: because you know about the you know, the health issues 663 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 2: going on? Right now? What if the next boat that 664 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 2: comes in is Peter, what happens then? What do we do? 665 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 2: Because then the prophecy is fulfilled? 666 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 3: Right right? And what is what is the end? The 667 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 3: Seven hild City, by the way, is it is a 668 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 3: description of Rome of the Vatican on the famous seven 669 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 3: hills there. So I feel like that when we can 670 00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 3: safely interpret. But just yesterday before we came into record 671 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 3: this evening, the Vatican issued a statement on the health 672 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 3: of Pope Francis. As we know, he's been battling pneumonia, 673 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,720 Speaker 3: respiratory issues. He is eighty eight years old right now, 674 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:18,240 Speaker 3: he has severe bronchitis. The statement that was released said 675 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 3: that he well, they didn't say much. They said that 676 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 3: he has had to cancel some events. Mainly they're breaking 677 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 3: the silence for millions and millions of faithful adherents of 678 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 3: Catholicism who are worried about this guy. They said, essentially, 679 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 3: like this is how terse this is. You guys ready, 680 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,919 Speaker 3: we'll read the statement in full, do it all right? 681 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,839 Speaker 3: The full statement is the Pope had a quiet night 682 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 3: and is resting. 683 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, But then he did record an audio message. 684 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 3: He did record an audio message. We also have a 685 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 3: longer statement. Right in his longer statement, they said he's 686 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:07,359 Speaker 3: resting Wednesday morning, or people are quoting the Holy See 687 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 3: Press Office. Reports are showing that he went through a 688 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 3: scheduled CT scan to monitor his bilateral pneumonia. For all 689 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 3: of us non doctors, that's pneumonia in both looks, that's 690 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 3: double pneumonia. And I don't know. He's been in the 691 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 3: hospital for thirteen fourteen days. Now, what'd you make of 692 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 3: the recorded statement there, Matt, Well, just. 693 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 2: Give it to you. He said, quote, I thank you 694 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 2: from the bottom of my heart for your prayers for 695 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 2: my health. From the square, I accompany you from here, 696 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 2: May God bless you and the version protect you. Thank you. 697 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 2: And that was it. 698 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,720 Speaker 5: That's all he was able to say, basically. 699 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, And medical experts have described his condition as a 700 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 3: complex clinical picture. It's not looking amazing like. It still 701 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 3: seems to be an uphill journey. Apparently the Pope himself 702 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 3: has told some of his confidants that he is not 703 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 3: one hundred percent certain about his chances for recovery, and 704 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 3: that's perhaps why Wandering Wizard the idea of the prophecy here, 705 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 3: the prophecy of the popes has come back into the 706 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,879 Speaker 3: public eye. I don't know, because we talked about other 707 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 3: prophecies that are incorporated into Catholicism, and I have to 708 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 3: ask you, guys, what do we make of this? Is 709 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 3: this is there legitimacy or people reading tea leaves? Is 710 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 3: this something we should keep a closer eye upon. 711 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 2: I blug man, We've got a lot of stuff going 712 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 2: on right now. At every time in history that we've 713 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 2: had this kind of discussion, it's felt like, oh, we're 714 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 2: probably on the precipice, the old doomsday clock is where 715 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:56,839 Speaker 2: it is, the you. 716 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 3: Know, the Mayan calendar got misinterpreted. 717 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, but just everything, you know, it feels there's enough 718 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 2: turmoil to make it feel as though, oh, the end 719 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 2: is certainly nigh, and oh this this is just another 720 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,320 Speaker 2: prophecy that says it's it's happening, and it already feels 721 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 2: like it's happening. So I think there's just that reoccurring 722 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,280 Speaker 2: confirmation that we continually have been getting over the past 723 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,520 Speaker 2: what twenty years. 724 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, there is something I don't want to say self important, 725 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,720 Speaker 3: but there's something devilishly tempting that we see in every 726 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 3: iteration of human civilization, which is the people living at 727 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 3: the time seem pretty convinced they're living in the end times. 728 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 3: They're like, there, there's not a historical record of a 729 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 3: civilization going this is great, it's amazing, nothing's going wrong, 730 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 3: and nothing will go wrong. We're starting from square one. 731 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, but not often has the world been on the 732 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 2: precipice of the next World war? Right, That's only happened 733 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 2: two times, And the third one is. 734 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 3: If we're not counting the Bronze Age Collasse. 735 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 2: Oh, no, correct, you're absolutely right there. I guess in 736 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 2: maybe modern history, and I guess that's there. 737 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,879 Speaker 3: Yeh, yeah, I feel you. Yeah, I mean there's another thing. 738 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 3: There are a lot of people arguing, more skeptical folks 739 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,280 Speaker 3: in the crowd, arguing that just like the Shroud of Turin, 740 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 3: the Prophecy of the Popes is a forgery, and that 741 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 3: it was actually it was not rediscovered in some ancient 742 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 3: Roman ruins, but that it was instead composed around fifteen ninety. 743 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 3: And the timeline makes a little bit of sense, because 744 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,800 Speaker 3: we have to remember this is back when people were 745 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 3: you know, selling a bunch of relatieries left and right, 746 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 3: and little shards of the true cross. People were joking 747 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,800 Speaker 3: about this, especially the skeptics centuries ago. But maybe maybe 748 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 3: we should pay closer attention to these things, or at 749 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 3: least to an episode about it, because look, we're in 750 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 3: the moment, we're here with you, folks, and as Matt 751 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,560 Speaker 3: was saying, it does feel like we're you know, we're 752 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,760 Speaker 3: at the NYE point. We're at defcon NYE. 753 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 2: Yep, I mean pretty much. Oh wait, what was that 754 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 2: other thing? Is there an asteroid headed towards Earth? 755 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 4: No, they said that was going to be fine, right, 756 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 4: that's where We're's. 757 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 5: A positive news it is. 758 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was at three point one percent for a second, 759 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 3: and I was like, hey, maybe I should, you know, 760 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 3: get back into cannabis, because what does it matter? 761 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 2: Get to the moon, baby, That's what I say. I'm playing. 762 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 2: I'm just playing. I'm joking over. 763 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:41,439 Speaker 3: I feel also, to be clear, the world is ending 764 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 3: for someone somewhere every day right as we record, and 765 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 3: we have to exercise empathy. We'll keep this part short. 766 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,680 Speaker 3: Tell us what you think about the idea of a 767 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 3: prophecy of the popes for our adherents of Catholicism in 768 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 3: the audience tonight. We support you. We know this is 769 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 3: a incredibly scary time and the only way that all 770 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 3: of us get through these our present days is by 771 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 3: moving together. With that being said, thank you so much 772 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 3: for tuning in. We would love to hear from you. 773 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,720 Speaker 3: Big thanks to Alpha Flight, Big thanks to Big Shucks, 774 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 3: Big thanks to Dave, nice one on the nice one 775 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 3: on the bugs in the books there Dave, Big thanks 776 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 3: of Wandering Wizard, everyone else that we didn't get to, 777 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 3: including you, mister Aaronson. We will be back soon. In 778 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,040 Speaker 3: the meantime, join us out here in the dark. Find 779 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,799 Speaker 3: us on the emails, find us on the telephones, find 780 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:39,920 Speaker 3: us on the lines. 781 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 5: Correct. 782 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 4: You can find us at the handle Conspiracy Stuff, where 783 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,279 Speaker 4: we exist on Facebook, where we have our group Here's 784 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 4: where it gets crazy, on x FKA, Twitter, and on YouTube. 785 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 4: We have video content for you to enjoy on Instagram 786 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 4: and TikTok. However, we're Conspiracy Stuff show boy. 787 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:54,800 Speaker 5: There's more. 788 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 2: We have a phone number. It is one eight three 789 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,879 Speaker 2: three st d w WY. It's a voicemail system. 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Be 800 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 3: well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void rides back, back, back, 801 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,279 Speaker 3: back back. But you might be asking, how can I 802 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 3: know this is true? Well, there's one way to prove 803 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 3: it to yourself. Step a little further from the light. 804 00:47:41,960 --> 00:48:02,520 Speaker 3: Join us out here conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. 805 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,240 Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't Want You to Know is a production 806 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,879 Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 807 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,480 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.