1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in our number two Clay 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Travis buck Sexton Show. I am Clay Travis, he is 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton, and we are rolling through what has already 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: been an eventful start to the program. Kyle Rittenhouse has 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: taken the stand in the Kenosha, Wisconsin case where he 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: has been accused of killing two protesters shooting another one. 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: Blockbuster unexpected development for Rittenhouse to be on the stand. 9 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: He has been doing phenomenally well so far. They have 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: just broken for lunch. But I want to play for you, 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: and I know many people out there have been watching 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: this testimony, have been paying attention to this case. I 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: want to play for you a collection of people calling 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse a terrorist before he was ever able to 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: have any defense at all into this media montage cut nineteen. 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: Why do any reporting when the media has already decided 17 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse is a terrorist Kenosha shooter. Kyle Rittenhouse, he 18 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: murdered two people. By the way, Rittenhouse is basically what 19 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: you would have had in a school shooter. He's a 20 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: seventeen year old kid. He shouldn't have had a gun. 21 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: He crossed eight lines to supposedly protect property. No, he 22 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: was going out to shoot people. Kyle Rittenhouse, the seventeen 23 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: year old vigilante. Kyle Rittenhouse, the vigilante. Kyle Rittenhouse, the 24 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: arm teenage vigilante, The seventeen year old vigilante, arguably a 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: domestic terrorists picked up a rifle, drove to a different 26 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: state to shoot people. Kyle Rittenhouse, a guy who's deeply racist, 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: went with weapons to a Black Lives Matter protest looking 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: to get in trouble. He did. He murdered a couple 29 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: of people. Rittenhouse, the seventeen year old kid just running 30 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: around shooting and killing protesters. He should sue what's going on. 31 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: He should sue them. I mean, it's outrageous and stuff 32 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: that they said. It's so hard as a public figure 33 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: to ever win a case when and that's this is 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: a big picture story, buck. I have argued New York 35 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: Times v. Sullivan, which basically ingrained the public figure mantra 36 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties in the Supreme Court and made 37 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: it almost impossible to sue anyone in the media who 38 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: says anything about a public figure unless you can show 39 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: actual malice. He's not a private figure because he'd been 40 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: charged with a crime. This is honestly one of the 41 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: really interesting distinctions about the Covington Catholic case. If you 42 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: remember on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, a lot 43 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: of people out there obviously remember what happened with that 44 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: kid whose name is escaping me right now, Samman, Nicholas Sandman, 45 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: If I'm right about that, he was arguably a private 46 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: figure because he's a kid who just happened to be 47 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: standing on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial when he 48 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: became a flashpoint and everybody went after him and tried 49 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: to accuse him of all this wrongdoing. But what that 50 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: is emblematic of is they didn't call him a terrorist. Basically, 51 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: they called him call him a terrorist. They call him 52 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: like a school shooter. I mean, they're saying things that 53 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: he's not charged with that is not in the fact, 54 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: in the facts of the case, in any way, shape 55 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: or form. And so what I would ask you to do, 56 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: and this is what we tried to do on this show, 57 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: what I would ask you to do is compare what 58 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: all those people said about Kyle Rittenhouse with the testimony 59 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: that you are seeing from Kyle Rittenhouse. Today and with 60 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: the actual facts that are at issue in the case, 61 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: and things are going so well for Kyle Rittenhouse. I 62 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: think you're you're right, Buck. I think one reason he 63 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: wanted to get on the witness stand is he doesn't 64 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: want to be not guilty. He wants to be innocent. 65 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: And that's rare in a criminal case for someone to say, 66 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: not only did am I not guilty of this crime, 67 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: but I'm you know, I'm innocent of any wrongdoing at all. 68 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: There are other countries that have actually, in their legal standard, 69 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: not guilty and also innocent. I mean that that is 70 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: a thing that has existed in other It does exist 71 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: in other places. He's ben trying to get off on 72 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt. Yes he's not. This isn't This isn't. 73 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: It looks bad for me, But on technicalities, I'm going 74 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: to get away. This isn't an OJ situation where it's 75 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: because of historical injustice. I should get you know, get 76 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: let free. As as a clear double murderer. This is 77 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: a kid who's saying I defended myself, I did nothing wrong. 78 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: Look into my eyes, America, look at the truth, look 79 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: at the facts here, and it's it's remarkable how much 80 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: hatred you saw in the media for this guy, even 81 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: right now while he's on the witness stand. Buck Yeah, 82 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: based upon the fact pattern that was known from the 83 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: very beginning. They had video, Clay. This wasn't just like 84 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: an eyewitness thing. They had video of people attacking him. 85 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: What is he supposed to do. He's supposed to get 86 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: hit in the face with a skateboard. He's supposed to 87 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: wait till someone who was a loaded handgun waving in 88 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: his face pulls the trigger. This was always crazy, but 89 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: it was because BLM. There was a narrow here. The 90 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: narrative was get out of the way. The left is 91 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: rising in America in an election year, by the way, 92 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: an election year that saw us have businesses boarding up 93 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: in preparation for a possible Biden laws. This was the 94 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: rage of Biden voters on the streets of large and 95 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: small American cities, and no one allowed to get in 96 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: the way. You know, it almost turned into something like this. 97 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: Remember what the oblives, the mccloskey's and Saint Louis where 98 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: that mob came across their lawn. They had the guns, 99 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: and remember the prosecutor there charged them for essentially brandishing 100 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: or pointing their weapons at a mob that was trespassing 101 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: on their property. At what point do we realize that 102 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 1: some of the people in charge here are so ideologically 103 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: invested in taking the side of the mob that they 104 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: would sacrifice someone like Kyle Rittenhouse just to make a point. 105 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: Don't ever stand in the way of our arsonists and rioters. 106 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: They have social justice on their side. Not only that, 107 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: we had a caller yesterday who pointed out, or maybe 108 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, the absolute abandoned of responsibility 109 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: in the Wisconsin. They didn't want police on the streets, 110 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: They didn't want people to actually try to enforce the law. 111 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: The idea was, let's let the rioters just tire themselves 112 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: out by destroying businesses, by burning down buildings, by looting 113 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: and pillaging in massive numbers. And so what's gone so 114 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: bad for the prosecutor here, Buck is that it appears, 115 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: I think whenever this goes to a jury, that the 116 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: jury is likely to be very favorably disposed towards Kyle Rittenhouse, 117 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: that he's going for innocent, not guilty in terms of 118 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: the media analysis going forward. Oh, this was not a 119 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: kid who got off for a crime. He deserved to 120 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: be punished for because of a technicality. This is a 121 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: kid who didn't commit a crime at all, and the 122 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: prosecutor increasingly is just throwing up hail mary's which are 123 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: driving the judge bonker. Let's listen here to the judge 124 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: going after the prosecutor as the prosecutor basically basically insinuates 125 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: that Kyle Rittenhouse hasn't spoken and somehow not speaking until 126 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: now is a major flaw in his defense. Listen to this. 127 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: Why would you think that that made it okay for 128 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: you without any advanced notice to bring this matter before 129 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:33,119 Speaker 1: the journey You are already you were. I was astonished 130 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: when you began your examination by commenting on the defendant's 131 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: post arrest silence. That's basic law. It's been basic law 132 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: in this country for forty years, fifty years. I have 133 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: no idea why you would do something like that. And 134 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: it gives um, well, I'll leave it at that. He 135 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: was starting to say, it gives it gives the defense 136 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: grounds to call for a mistrial, which is why the 137 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: defense has since come back buck and said we're going 138 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: to make a potential filing for a mistrial with prejudice, 139 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: which would mean the reason why this mistrial has to 140 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: be tossed out because they think they're gonna win. We 141 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: want this tossed out and you can never bring these 142 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: charges again because your conduct was so egregious in violating 143 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: the law and you were doing it because your hell 144 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: Mary plea is we've lost this case, let's try to 145 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: get a mistrial. You can't intentionally try to get a 146 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: mistrial to avoid a loss that you were going to take. 147 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: One part of this clay that I think also sits 148 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: in the background that everyone should be aware of as 149 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: we see this is that because and you you heard 150 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: one of the left wing commentators said Kyle Rittenhouse is 151 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: a racist, which was an interesting based on what exactly 152 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: most of you see a lot of the riders in Kenosh, 153 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: at least from the footage, a lot of them. I mean, 154 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: I don't know what the exact numbers are. Are there 155 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: white leftists? A lot of people that are rioting are 156 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: white leftists who were there. All of the people that 157 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: Kyle shot were white, as I understand it, unless I'm 158 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: missing I believe all in all three cases, if you 159 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: had a different angle with that respect, people would be 160 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: concerned about more riots. If Rittenhouse was found not guilty 161 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: because the people that attacked him and that he defended 162 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: himself against. Again, that's my opinion the trials playing out now, 163 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: But because the situation is that he shot three guys, 164 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: there's no racial angle to the shootings, it's less likely 165 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: that I think there would be a nationwide outrage from 166 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: the left about this at the same level. So that 167 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: is one factor I think here that's at least if 168 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: there is a not guilty verdict, it's less likely that 169 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: we'll see people saying the system is so racist and 170 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: there'll be more buildings and businesses burning as a result 171 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: of it. And that also to me, means the jury 172 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: is more likely to rule on the facts. That's really 173 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: the key here. The jury doesn't feel like, oh my gosh, 174 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: we'll be branded race forever if we don't put Kyle away, 175 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: and maybe they'll burn down another neighborhood if we don't 176 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: put Kyle away. So I think that's strongly in his favor. 177 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,359 Speaker 1: I think that's a hundred percent right, because the subtext 178 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: of the Derek Chauvin trial was for both jurors and 179 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: anyone else who was following this case, if Derek Chauvin 180 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: isn't found guilty. Minneapolis is going to burn, and many 181 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: other cities are going to burn as well. That's the subtext, 182 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: and that, by the way, is what was allowed to 183 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: happen in an entire summer of riots, which is why 184 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: the idea of this January sixth obsession in the Democratic Party, 185 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: after an entire summer where they allowed cities to burn, 186 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: where lawlessness ran rampant, suddenly they're gonna put a lot 187 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: of people who walked into the Capitol with selfie sticks 188 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: in solitary confinement and in prison for years over what 189 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: are relatively minor in the grand scheme of things, trespassing violation. Certainly, 190 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: within the context of the summer of riots, we saw 191 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: nothing approaching the level of violence that ran rampant through 192 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: so many of our city streets this summer. So I 193 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: think all of that ties in in many ways. And 194 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: the fact that Kyle Rittenhouse has taken the stand and 195 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: has done so far such a compelling job of providing 196 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: his own defense has got the prosecutors, it appears, throwing 197 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: all sorts of crazy direction or questions at him. They, 198 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: by the way, are right now on a lunch break. 199 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: If you're wondering what's going on right now, and the 200 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: judge is just fed up. If you can see, you 201 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: could hear him, but if you could see his body language, 202 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: he has done with the prosecutors completely. And this is 203 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: what I said, you know, from a directed verdict perspective, Buck, 204 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: And I'm not an expert on Wisconsin criminal law, so 205 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: I won't pretend to be. But when you have witnesses 206 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: on the witness stand saying that you were pointing a 207 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: weapon at somebody, it's almost not a question of fact anymore. 208 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: For a jury. The judge decides questions of law. A 209 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: jury decides questions of fact. If someone says I pointed 210 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: a gun at you, and you saw me point a 211 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: gun at you, and you decided to fire at them, 212 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: that is the very definition of self defense. Arguably, that's 213 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: not even a fact based determination for a jury. A 214 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: judge could look at that and say, there's no dispute 215 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: about the facts in this case. By law, that's self defense. 216 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: There's still the two other shootings, obviously, but yeah, and 217 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: in that one case, that could have been where the 218 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: judge went, And I think, I don't want to get 219 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: ahead of ourselves here. You never know what a jury 220 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: is going to do. But it has been a strong 221 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: showing to be sure for Kyle Rittenhouse. So far. More 222 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: than thirty percent of Americans suffer from chronic pain every day. 223 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: It happens with the effects of everyday living, or too 224 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: much exercise, any number of circumstances. 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If you're currently in pain, you have a 234 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: seven and ten chance of eliminating it. Wouldn't you want 235 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: to take those ons? Clay, your wife, my dad, folks 236 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: are getting great results. Welcome back in play Travis butt 237 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: Sexton show all rolling along here on the Wednesday edition 238 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: of the program. We are joined now by JOHNS Hopkins, 239 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: doctor Marty McCarry. He has written a great piece in 240 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,479 Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journals in the print edition yesterday, answering 241 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: and the analyzing a question that many of our listeners 242 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: have about vaccinating children. Doctor McCarry, appreciate you joining us 243 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: right now. Correct me if I'm wrong, But in your article, 244 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: I believe the data said there are twenty eight million 245 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: children ages five to eleven, ninety four of them have 246 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: died with COVID, which is such an infinitesimally small percentage 247 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: that the COVID vaccine doesn't really change any of the 248 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: risk factors in any way, because fortunately the risk factor 249 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: is so minuscule for children. Regardless of what decision parents make, 250 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: their kids are likely to be very safe when it 251 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: comes to COVID. Well, that's right, Clay, And you know 252 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: the child may be more likely to die in a 253 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: car accident driving to the pediatrician's office to get the 254 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: vaccine right now if the child is healthy. Now for 255 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: kids with a comorbid condition, that was probably nearly all 256 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: of the ninety four kids who died, So in those kids, 257 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: that makes sense. In kids who had COVID in the past, 258 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: no makes there's no scientific justification by the way, that 259 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: maybe fifty to sixty percent of kids out there right now, 260 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: Doctor McCarry's buck, I want to know why you think 261 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: it is you don't have more mds. One of the 262 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: frustrations Clay and I have had for a long time 263 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: is that there are docs that we know with like you, 264 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: with impeccable credentials, you know, as as real as it 265 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: gets in the world of mds, who are horrified by 266 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: things like the sense that so many parents have the 267 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: exaggerated sense of fear, the exaggerated sense of risk for 268 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: their children. And yet we don't see doctors coming out 269 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: saying this isn't dangerous for your kids. In fact, we 270 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: had the vecmurphy coming out saying the opposite just in 271 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours, that this is a substantial 272 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: risk for children. Well, where is the medical community on this? 273 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: Is everyone just afraid the hospital system is going to 274 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: come down on them. Well, there's a lot of group 275 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: think right now, and cancel culture has moved into medicine. 276 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: I talked to doctors around the country that say, thank 277 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: you for speaking up. I can't do that at my hospital, 278 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: or my academic leaders are putting a lot of pressure 279 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: on me, or it's hard to study these issues. Why 280 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: has no one, for example, tested people nineteen months after 281 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: they were infected in New York and looked at their 282 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: immunity levels. The nih is not doing it with their 283 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: forty two billion dollars. Why aren't academic doctors around the 284 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: country doing that research because there's a lot of pressure 285 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: on them. We're doing it, by the way, we're doing 286 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: that particular study. But to answer your question, there's an oligarchy. 287 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: There's a small group of doctors making all the decisions 288 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: on COVID policy. It's Collins and Fauci, and they dismiss 289 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: people that raise just simply ask questions in the spirit 290 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: of scientific methodology. There is no the science. Science is 291 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,479 Speaker 1: an evolving process. So when you're talking to your pediatrition 292 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: about child vaccines, ask them what's the incidents of myocarditis 293 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: after the second dose? And has anyone died from myocarditis? 294 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: In my own conversations with a lot of doctors, they 295 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: haven't even read the studies. What is can you tell us, 296 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: by the way, because those numbers are what is the risk? 297 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: Do we have any sense of myocardiitus and children? I 298 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: just saw another case last twenty four hours. Otherwise, young 299 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: healthy woman got the shot, rare complications. She's dead, so 300 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: this does happen, that's right. So this is good for 301 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: people to know. In young males, even underage thirty, if 302 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: you go that far up, the rate of myocardidus heart 303 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: inflammation from the vaccine is one in seven thousand. Now 304 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: that's high in my book. Now, the New England Journal 305 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 1: Medicine published the is Rarely Experienced where they found one 306 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty six of these myocarditis cases. Two of 307 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: them were seriously sick in the ICU and had heart biopsies. 308 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: That's not fun, and one of them died. So the 309 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: idea that oh, this is totally safe, it's better to 310 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: be honest with people and you probably get more reception 311 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: that way. Doctor Marty McCarry he is at Johns Hopkins. 312 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: I want to circle back on one of the comments 313 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: you made about the number of kids that likely have 314 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: net natural immunity, that is, they've already had COVID. You 315 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: said you think it's probably somewhere around fifty or sixty percent. 316 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: We don't know because our CDC has done such a 317 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: poor job of collecting all this data. But let's presume 318 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: it's half. Let's presume that half the kids between the 319 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: ages of five and eleven have already had COVID. Would 320 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: you encourage parents to get antibody tests for their kids 321 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: to see if they had had COVID first of all, 322 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: and secondly, if the kids have had COVID, what has 323 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: the data shown us about their risk going forward for 324 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: COVID and whether it makes any sense for them then 325 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,360 Speaker 1: to get vaccinated. So, first of all, on the ground, 326 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: when I talked to doctors, we don't see people get 327 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: reinfected and get severely ill or die. It just doesn't happen. 328 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: Now let people say, oh it happens. It's like bigfoot. 329 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: People say they've seen a case. Show me the evidence. 330 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: We just do not see reinfections cause severe illness. That's 331 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: the observational data. Now, the hard data shows that the 332 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: reinfection rates less than one percent. And in the Fiser 333 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: study of kids, the study of Fife hundred kids that 334 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: everybody is so giddy about it showed and I'm going 335 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: to read it to you. One line in the seventy 336 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 1: page Visor report said no cases of COVID nineteen were 337 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: observed in participants with prior infection. So you've got nothing 338 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: to worry about. Right now. Now. Things could change in 339 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: the future, but right now, the data is on your side. 340 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: Natural immunity works. Don't expect the pharma industry to talk 341 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: enthusiastically about natural immunity by the way. Yeah, And that 342 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: leads into the other part of the question I had 343 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: for you, which is, I went and got antibody tested. 344 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: I know that I've had COVID, I've recovered from it, 345 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: I've got natural immunity. I haven't yet gotten my own 346 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: children antibody tested. Would you suggest that it makes sense 347 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: if you believe your kids may well have had COVID, 348 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: to see if they have COVID antibodies as you assess 349 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: your decision making as it pertains the vaccine. Yeah, if they, 350 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: first of all, they've had any positive tests confirmed, you 351 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't need it. If that's not and you want to know, sure, yeah, 352 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: go ahead and get the antibody test. Or some may 353 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: choose to do one dose of the vaccine, and that's reasonable. 354 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: The second dose is where people get into problems. And 355 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: that's why I think it's very reasonable to say, you know, 356 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 1: I might just want to do one dose. And these 357 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: are the creative strategies that are good that you're not 358 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,239 Speaker 1: hearing about doctor McCarry. I just need to get your 359 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: take on the comment that was made just last week 360 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: by Rochelle will Lenski, the head of the CDC, when 361 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: she put out some public statement that masks are more 362 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: than eighty percent effective in preventing the spread of the virus. 363 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: I mean, this is just embarrassing at this point, Like 364 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: when do people just say this has gotten too crazy? 365 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: I'm there for I, for one, think that the stuff 366 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: coming out of the CDC is so unreliable. I wonder 367 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: if we'd do better if we did not have a 368 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: CDC now adjudication on every aspect of American life. I 369 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: don't want to wear a NASA Astronauts space suit every day. 370 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 1: I wear a surgical mask at work at the hospital 371 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: to live my life. And I think there's this sense 372 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: of we have to stomp out every virus replication particle 373 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: if it means taken three showers a day and alcohol 374 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: and demonizing Aaron Rodgers. By the way, these athletes are 375 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: the lowest risk people on planet Earth. Tell me if 376 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: you ever hear of a professional athlete in any sport 377 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: in any country who's ever died of COVID never happened, 378 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: and yet we put him under the frying pan. It's 379 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: what did you think about Aaron Rodgers's comments as a doctor? Yeah, 380 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: I think he look he has I think it was reasonable. 381 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: I think he has a right to not get vaccinated. 382 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: There's risks of mildcarditis, especially affects young males and athletes, 383 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: and I think he can do whatever he wants. He's 384 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: not putting anyone else at risk. That study was done 385 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: in our big journal Jama. Out of all the SEC games, 386 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: they identified zero cases of transmission, you know, with regular activity. 387 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: And yet doctor Fauci said that it would be a 388 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: feast for COVID over the summer. I mean, this guy 389 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: is so reliably raw long over the last forty years 390 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: on major health issues. It's amazing to me. Doctor McCall, 391 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: anybody even listens to them before we let you go. 392 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: Clay and I are going back and forth here on 393 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: the numbers look like there looks like there's a bit 394 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: of an increase here in COVID. You got the study 395 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: that came out that showed that vaccine efficacy when it 396 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: comes to preventing at least infection, drops off dramatically with 397 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: a j and Jay, it drops off almost to nothing, 398 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: like thirteen percent or something like that. What do you 399 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: see happening this winter? We're gonna have a small bump 400 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: in the viral season in the north, but it's going 401 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: to be mostly cases. If you've got immunity of any kind, 402 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 1: you've got nothing to worry about. Where no one's worried 403 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: about mild cases or asymptomatic positive test results. Remember the 404 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,959 Speaker 1: PCR tests is so good. It'll detect one dead virus 405 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: particle in your nose. People at risk over sixty five, 406 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: I'd say get a booster because we shouldn't have been 407 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: given doses three and four weeks apart. We still shouldn't 408 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: be doing that. They really function as one primer dose 409 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: and two maybe the magic number for at risk adults 410 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: who have not already had COVID. Doctor m really appreciate it. 411 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: People should go check out Should you vaccinate your five 412 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: year old? 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We've got people that 441 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: are obviously fired up about the Writtenhouse trial and the 442 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: testimony that Cole Writtenhouse was giving today. Want to want 443 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: to bring your voices into this conversation in a moment. 444 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: I just want to say, though I often tell you 445 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: that Faucci has been reliably wrong for forty years on 446 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: big questions, on important health questions, I'm not just saying 447 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: that we got the receipts as they say, we got 448 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: the proof of it. Here's Faucci in nineteen eighty three 449 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: talking about the risk of living in the same household 450 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: as somebody with HIV. We're seeing virtually as the months 451 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: go by, other groups that can be involved, and seeing 452 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: it in children is really quite disturbing. You see other 453 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: close contact, give me some examples, Quoth. For example, if 454 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: the close contact of a child is a household contact, 455 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: perhaps there will be a certain number of cases of 456 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: individual who are just living with and in close contact 457 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: with someone with AIDS, who at risk of AIDS, who 458 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: does not necessarily have to have intimate sexual contact or 459 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: share a needle, but just the ordinary close contact that 460 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: one sees in normal interpersonal relationships. Think about this, Clay. 461 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: Here's a guy who's telling people which we know is, 462 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: by the way, one hundred percent not the case, absolutely false. 463 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: Think of all the fear, all the terror, all the 464 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: marginalization for those who had HIV that they would suffer 465 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: as a result of this top doctor telling everybody, Yeah, 466 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: just living in a house with somebody could have gotten 467 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: you AIDS. Well. I think it speaks to Fauci's ability 468 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: to immediately embrace worst case scenarios, yes, and then be 469 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 1: very comfortable spreading those worst case scenarios such that panic ensues. 470 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: And this is why I keep talking about how do 471 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: you land the plane? How do you land the plane 472 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: when so many parents are convinced that their kids are 473 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: in mortal peril from COVID? How do you get people 474 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: to get back to normal life when doctor Fauci has 475 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: convinced them that they're going to die of COVID? And 476 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: it's amazing, It probably shouldn't surprise anybody. But this is 477 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: a clear pattern in doctor Fauci's medical career that he 478 00:26:53,600 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: takes the most fearful, the scariest potential outcome and spreads 479 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: it around the United States, using his expertise as a 480 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: doctor as justification for his perspective. I think it's important 481 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: in the conversation we just had with doctor Marty McCarry, 482 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: Why is doctor Marty McCarry reasonable, rational, thoughtful, looking at data, 483 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: presenting it in an intelligent manner, not receiving anywhere near 484 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: the same amount of attention as doctor Fauci. Imagine how 485 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: much different the nation's response to COVID would have been if, 486 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: instead of Fauci at the head of the NIH, we 487 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: had had doctor Marty McCarry or many other doctors out 488 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: there leading our response. Everything would be different. It's just 489 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: nice to hear from another esteemed MD who's not in 490 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: his words. I'll use my words will tell us the truth, 491 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: which is that Fauci is an evil, little tyrant smurf. 492 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: Perry in Texas, what's going on? Perry? Well, I'm watching 493 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: the trial in my office. I'm a thirty plush year 494 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: attorney prosecutor Rover twenty five years. The actions of the 495 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: DA in this trial just today alone are abhorrent, and 496 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: he should be sanctioned by the state bar and even 497 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: be suspended for it. Apparently people on the street who 498 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: watch law and order know more about this amendment writing 499 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: and selfncrimination than this guy who claims he's a prosecutor. 500 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if it's not time for us to start 501 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: asking out loud, how many of these people, like this 502 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: prosecutor who is obviously pressing a case that he has 503 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: no case to actually press on many of these counts, 504 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 1: How many of them have already been promised campaign funds 505 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: from Sorrow's based and backed organizations to continue with the sharade? 506 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: Do you think as a prosecutor for twenty five years. 507 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to cut you off, but when you hear 508 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: questioning like that which we played in the judge's reaction 509 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: to questions like that, do you feel as if the 510 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: prosecutor might be trying to get a mistrial because he 511 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: knows things are going poorly for his side. That may 512 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: be one of his motivations for doing it. But I 513 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: will tell you I was sitting at my computer watching 514 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: this getting close to my lunch hour so I was 515 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: taking a break and when he asked that question, I 516 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: literally stood up and yelled at the screen. Unbelievable. I 517 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: mean that is basic first day of law school type 518 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: of stuff. Yeah, couldn't he be sanctioned if the judge 519 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: believe that that's what he's trying to do. Isn't that 520 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: also a big no no to try to engineer a mistrial? 521 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: The ultimate sanction there would be exactly as a defense 522 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: attorney said, and that is a dismissal with prejudice, meaning 523 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: that his attempt to get the mistrial actually backfired and 524 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: he got a mistrial, but he also got the inability 525 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: to proceed with another prosecution. Hey, Perry, we really appreciate 526 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: the expertise. Thanks for joining us here and sharing your thoughts. 527 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: Kurt in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. What's up? Kurt, retired law enforcement officer. 528 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: That's right, readings from picker Land gays us and kind 529 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: of piggyback on the attorney this day is very unethical 530 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: and if he was worth his huns and gold, who 531 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: worth his weight in gold? He'd be looking at this. 532 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: This is not first degree intentional homicide. It was self defense. 533 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: Second point is is that is that this is politically 534 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: motivated because they're charging Kyle Rittenhouse with weapons charges and Rosenbaum, 535 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: the person that came after him, also violated weapons charges. 536 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: He hasn't expired hearing to steal permits. And then the 537 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: third point I would like to make is is this 538 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: we already have examples of jury intimidation going on. He 539 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: were filming the jury arriving at the trial to try 540 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: to intimidate them. Hey, Kurt, thank you for sharing your 541 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: law enforcement officer perspective on this. We appreciated jury intimidation 542 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: another major consideration there. It's why I brought up some 543 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,959 Speaker 1: of the politics around this trial and how that's influencing 544 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: possibly the outcome here. But we'll come back with more 545 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: updates on the Rittenhouse trial, more on the fight against 546 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: COVID madness and the crappy Biden economy. Clay and are 547 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: going to bust it all down for you. You're listening 548 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Fund the EIB Network. 549 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all 550 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us. We are watching like 551 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: many of you, listening like many of you are too, 552 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: exactly what is going on So in this Kyle Rittenhouse case, 553 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: the Rittenhouse defense has argued and there's discussion going on 554 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: right now about whether or not there is going to 555 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: be a mistrial. This is me putting my lawyer hat on. Buck. 556 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: You could quiz me on this a little bit if 557 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: you want. There are different types of mistrials. The Ritten 558 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: House team of attorneys and I am analyzing without obviously 559 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: having talked to the Rittenhouse team. I'm trying to analyze 560 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: this in real time as it's going on. Does not 561 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: want a mistrial in the context of We're going to 562 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: go do this all over again. That's oftentimes what happens 563 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: in the case of a mistrial. Something occurs that is inappropriate, 564 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: improper within the trial itself, which necessitates a new trial 565 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: all over again. That's not what they want. They want 566 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: a mistrial with prejudice, which means these charges can never 567 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: be brought against Kyle Rittenhouse again, which is a big 568 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: step up. Effectively, it is arguing that the prosecutions behave 569 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: your is so egregious and intentional that it they should 570 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: not benefit from a mistrial because otherwise, just kind of 571 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: putting it in context, you have it. Let's say you 572 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: have a bad week. You're you're a lawyer. Everybody can 573 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: have a bad week at their job and you just 574 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: get whipped by the opposing side. What we don't want 575 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: to happen then in a court proceeding is for someone 576 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: to intentionally create a mistrial and benefit from their intentional 577 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: It's like in tennis if you call a read you 578 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: when someone aces you. No, no, it's an ace. It's 579 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: not a read you just because you got aced. And 580 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: that's that's where they try to avoid. My understanding, Clay 581 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: is that even if they did have a dismissal with 582 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: prejudice or mistrial with prejudice rather, that the state could 583 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: still appeal it though, right, so you could, so even 584 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: if you get the best possible outcome for the defense here, 585 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: you could still have a situation where then the higher 586 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: court steps in and says, actually, you can try this again, 587 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: and then would be back at square one with a 588 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,959 Speaker 1: new trial if the state wanted to bring the kid. 589 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: That is true, and again I want to make it clear. 590 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: I'm licensed in the state of Tennessee. I am licensed 591 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: in the US Virgin Islands. Those are the two places 592 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 1: that I am licensed. So every state law can be different, 593 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: as it pertains, although there's often a model code, particularly 594 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: in criminal courts, that are somewhat similar. I want to 595 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: make it clear I'm not an expert in Wisconsin criminal procedure, right, 596 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: but if the trial court judge determines that a mistrial 597 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: with prejudice should be granted, there is a great deal 598 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: of discretion given to the trial court judge. Even on appeal. 599 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: It would have to be a substantial legal error biled 600 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: to buy the trial high that they would have to 601 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: assition too. Because Wisconsin as a state is and I 602 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: know we all can talk like big boys and girls here, 603 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: we all know that the justice system. There are conservatives 604 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: and leftists in the justice system. And you know the 605 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: you're gonna get the prosecutors you're gonna get at Some 606 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 1: are very conservative, some are gonna be very liberal. So 607 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: you'd be you'd be rolling the dice. It's not like 608 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: you'd be having this in a very red state or 609 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: a very blue state, depending on what judges you'd get, 610 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: who would look at this after the fact. But I mean, 611 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,959 Speaker 1: they're really going deep right now into the possibility here 612 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: of this mistrial, which just goes to show you, I mean, 613 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: if nothing else, Claire I think. I think it's clear 614 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: prosecution is messing this thing up, and it's because Kyle 615 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 1: Rittenhouse isn't guilty. That's what happened. Well. 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