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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode of XRGC contains spoilers for The Running Man

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Speaker 2: by Edgar Wright, The Chair Company by Tim Robinson, and

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Speaker 2: All's Fair by Ryan Murphy and Kim Kardashian.

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Speaker 3: Hello, my name is Jason the Own and I'm Rosie Knight,

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Speaker 3: and welcome to XRG the x Ray Vision Group Chat,

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Speaker 3: a weekly roundtable whether our producers and special guests talk

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Speaker 3: about the things that we are excited about in pop culture.

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Speaker 4: In today's episode, we are gonna be talking about Edgar

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Speaker 4: Wright's remake of The Stephen King as Richard Bachman novella. Yes,

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Speaker 4: The Running Man, Me and Jason are both fans of,

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Speaker 4: and a movie, the Original starring Arno Swarzenegger that we're

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Speaker 4: also both fans of, and we're gonna ask a question.

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Speaker 5: Out it chill out is Edgar Wright the Flop King.

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Speaker 5: Sorry to ask that, Edgar, but it's important. We mean

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Speaker 5: it in a good way. Do you like Do you

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Speaker 5: make movies that we like?

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Speaker 1: The Flop? Yes?

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Speaker 5: Often you do. In segment two, we will be.

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Speaker 4: Bringing in super producer Ian to talk about The Chair Company,

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Speaker 4: and in All's Fair, we're gonna be asking the important

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Speaker 4: question with super producer Common is Ryan Murphy doing this

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Speaker 4: on purpose?

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Speaker 5: Is he doing it on purpose?

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Speaker 1: Guys?

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Speaker 5: Me and Common will mate the argument that he probably is.

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Speaker 4: But first we're gonna pitch why Jason should or shouldn't

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Speaker 4: spend his money on Running Man?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, Edgar Write's adaptation of the Stephen King as

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Speaker 2: Richard Bachman novella The Running Man also a film in

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Speaker 2: the eighties, as you mentioned, starring Richard Dawson of Family

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Speaker 2: Feud and Arnold Sworgego Richardawson as the main villain. Wonderful, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: turned by Richard Dawson.

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Speaker 1: You have seen it.

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Speaker 2: I have not seen it. I've got I've got twenty

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Speaker 2: dollars plus food money burning a hole in my in

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Speaker 2: my pocket, and I'm wondering should I spend it at

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Speaker 2: the theater this weekend to go see The Running Man.

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Speaker 2: I'd love to hear your opinions.

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Speaker 3: Who let's start with you, Yes, let's start Eric, Let's

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Speaker 3: say I'm happy to start.

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Speaker 1: So, Jason, are you pro union? Of course? Yes?

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Speaker 5: Are you anti capital?

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Speaker 1: It's complex, but yes.

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Speaker 3: Idealistically yeah, idealistically what would you say? Idealistically?

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Speaker 5: Of course?

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Speaker 3: Of course We're all a part of this machine in

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Speaker 3: some way, and My other question, say you had a

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Speaker 3: daughter who was sick, would you do anything you could

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Speaker 2: I'm familiar with this setup, and yes I would.

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Speaker 3: Boy, well, let me tell you, I can offer you

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Speaker 3: a good ninety minutes of running man. And when he's running,

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Speaker 3: it's great. And then when he starts driving, it goes

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Speaker 3: downhill a little bit. But boy, those minutes are running.

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Speaker 3: Oh they're so good. The beginning of this movie is

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Speaker 3: really the.

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Speaker 4: Beginning of this movie is it has the flavor of

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Speaker 4: greatness to it for sure.

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Speaker 3: So my spoiler, my big spoiler here is I don't

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Speaker 3: think Glenn Powell is a capital M movie. This is

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Speaker 3: this is not the right role for him necessarily, but

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Speaker 3: it just reaffirms to me. You know, there's there is

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Speaker 3: a scene when Glenn Powell is uh Cara beaning or

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Speaker 1: He's wearing a towel.

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Speaker 3: He's not naked yet, he's in a towel and I

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Speaker 3: was like, oh shit, they're gonna get that towel off

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Speaker 3: of him and He's gonna be bare ass maker going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Glenn Powell, Texas.

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Speaker 2: Boy in the dude, the steaks out, the other side

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Speaker 5: Chest is out.

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Speaker 1: Is happening.

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Speaker 5: The body's happening. Look, And I'm gonna say, you can.

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Speaker 4: Hand me and Joel agreeing on those But Joel, why

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Speaker 4: don't you give Jason some insight into why so I

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Speaker 1: Okay, Joel, what do you have to say?

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna say you can wait until this movie pops

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 6: I would not pay cash money to screens.

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Speaker 1: Rosie with the Rufus shake.

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Speaker 7: You know you would not.

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Speaker 6: Here's here's my problem. While I too enjoy unions and

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Speaker 6: This movie convinced that Glenn Glenn Powell may not have

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Speaker 6: the juice. Here's why the movie is predicated on this

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Speaker 6: idea that this man has so much rage and righteous

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Speaker 6: his daughter to be sick, which doesn't need to be,

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Speaker 6: doesn't He's been, and he's he's reached a point of

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Speaker 6: for thirty days. That's its beautiful premise. I think as

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Speaker 6: an actor then, like, in order to sustain rage across

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Speaker 6: really hard the film actors. There's a lot of debate about,

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Speaker 6: Glenn really falls down on the responsibility of how to

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Speaker 6: sustain believable rage throughout an entire picture. Aaron, did you

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Speaker 6: say this was ninety minutes?

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Speaker 3: Because I would have said, I said, I like.

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Speaker 6: That's when he wished forever long? On top of like

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Speaker 6: original film. I was talking to Rosie about it afterwards,

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Speaker 6: and the women in the original apparently have some agency

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Speaker 6: I've never seen two more girlfriends slash Damsel in distressed

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Speaker 6: I'll put myself out if I have to because we're poor.

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Speaker 1: Uh, and then nothing else. That's it.

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Speaker 6: That is the whole scope of these women's entire lives.

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Speaker 6: I will say two kind things because I've been incredibly

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Speaker 6: that is so delicious that.

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Speaker 1: It is so much fun.

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Speaker 6: I would rewatch that scene. Let me tell you something,

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Speaker 6: Jesus scene, That one scene is worth ninety nine cents.

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Speaker 1: Okay, is so good. It's really really fun.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, Glenn Powell's body is bodying, okay, and you

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Speaker 5: Coleman, Yeah, yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So I'm going to come in with the kind of

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Speaker 4: the weirdest thing, because I do agree. I think the

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Speaker 4: But the problem with the movie is the first hour

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Speaker 4: to me, felt like an incredible balance of satirizing the

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Speaker 4: like almost a parody of itself thanks to egg writes

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Speaker 5: He's just a normal guy who doesn't want to kill people.

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Speaker 4: That is a really good character beat that just disappears

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Speaker 4: Joelle said, I often bring up the original Arnest Twatchenegger

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Speaker 4: because both of those movies actually have like women of

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Speaker 5: But you know what, I should.

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Speaker 4: Have known all this was coming, guys, because as much

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Speaker 5: It did not have the Edgar Wright juice.

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Speaker 4: To me, this ended up being more of a Last

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Speaker 1: Let me give one more.

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Speaker 3: We did have a conversation about Glen Powell as a

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Speaker 5: I agree he should be doing more like Man, He

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Speaker 2: Throw the hair long, shave it short, shave the side.

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Speaker 2: I also think, Glenn Powell, it's time for an ugly role.

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Speaker 5: This where they're like, hey, guys, the corporation.

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Speaker 1: But like the.

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Speaker 5: Fighting right now, and here's the huge spoiler.

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Speaker 6: The final shot of the movie is from shooting a

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Speaker 5: Where they want you, they want you to you.

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Speaker 6: But no union member show up to back him. Ever,

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Speaker 5: Who are the good guys?

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Speaker 1: Edgar Wright.

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Speaker 2: We love Edgar Wright. I love Edgar Wright's movies.

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Speaker 1: Edgar Wright is.

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Speaker 1: His movies also flop a lot. They often fly.

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Speaker 5: They're good, but they often fly. Yeah, his biggest hit

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Speaker 4: Other than that, it's not been huge box office numbers,

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Speaker 5: Asked that mine Scott Pilgrim. I think that movie is incredible.

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Speaker 2: It's Scott Pilgrim, a movie that's whose reputation it far

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Speaker 4: Lucky because it's one of those rare movies, the last

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Speaker 1: Here's my takes.

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Speaker 2: They're kind of the same. I think Edgar right needs

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Speaker 2: I think the budget, the budget comes with too many strings, Edgar.

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Speaker 4: Hot Fuzzz type shit, you can say it's a great movie.

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Speaker 2: You can say it's a great movie and stop chasing

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Speaker 4: I'll end us with this because we definitely talked way

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Speaker 5: But like I will I will I will end with this.

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Speaker 4: This did feel very time to me of him being like,

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Speaker 4: Guys, I'm not like like It definitely weekly timed like that,

443
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Speaker 4: but also I didn't necessarily believe the relationships enough for it.

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Speaker 3: To not feel like that. I, for one, stand with

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Speaker 3: our pro union king Glenn Powell, and I'll use a

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Speaker 3: cookie cutter. If he's a cookie cutter, Hollywood star, I

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Speaker 3: will update my X ray cookie rankings and he will

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Speaker 3: be a top Thank you very much, Please appreciate Running Man.

449
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Speaker 1: One more quick.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave us with this thought starter. Fans can

451
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Speaker 2: think about this at home as we sign off. Who

452
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Speaker 2: has the higher batting average, Stephen King or Richard Bachman? Okay, Oh,

453
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Speaker 2: let's move on to the next segment another day. Let's

454
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Speaker 2: see Wick break and right back to talk about the

455
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Speaker 2: Chair Company. Okay, the Chair Company, which is on HBO

456
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 2: and is the Tim Robinson conspiracy comedy thriller View has

457
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Speaker 2: just aired its fifth episode, and won't spoil that up,

458
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: but let's re quickly recap through episode four because I think.

459
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Speaker 5: People need to be watching this, I think.

460
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Speaker 1: He's one of the most fascinating shows on TV.

461
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 7: Very very entertaining, weird show.

462
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: And I think it captures something like ephemeral about being

463
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Speaker 2: alive and online in twenty twenty five. Okay, so the

464
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Speaker 2: Chair Company. Ron Trosper is a manager at this company

465
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 2: that develops malls Fisher Robe and in the middle of

466
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Speaker 2: the big presentation about this new mall project, he sits

467
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Speaker 2: in a chair manufactured by the chair company Techa Furniture Company,

468
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Speaker 2: Techa Office Furniture. The chair collapses. He falls flat on

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Speaker 2: his back. He's very embarrassing. He's like mildly concussed for

470
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Speaker 2: a second. He kind of looks up a coworker's dress

471
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 2: because again he's flat on his back on this stage

472
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Speaker 2: and need to do it. But this sparks a whole

473
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Speaker 2: hr hubub and Ron can't stop thinking about it. Ron

474
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Speaker 2: lives with his wife Barb, his daughter, Natalie's teenage son Seth.

475
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Speaker 2: They're all very normal. Barber is very practical and is

476
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Speaker 2: concerned about Ron's obsessions with different things, whether it's this

477
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: accident at work or his pickup truck tour company project.

478
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Speaker 1: To a cheap tour project.

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Speaker 9: He looks.

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Speaker 2: Uh, Natalie is out of the house, she's engaged, and

481
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Speaker 2: Seth is just a good, normal kid. Ron begins to

482
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: google Techa to find out how he can, you know,

483
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Speaker 2: get somebody on the phone who he can talk to

484
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Speaker 2: about this issue that he feels is very pressing with

485
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: Techa's chairs and their build qualities, trying to leave messages online,

486
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Speaker 2: He's trying to find. Every route he takes leads to

487
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Speaker 2: a dead end.

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Speaker 5: Painfully realistic by the way.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Ron eventually meets Mike Santini, a security guard who claims

491
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Speaker 2: to have information about Techa and seems like a vaguely

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Speaker 2: mafia connected guy, or at least a guy who is

493
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Speaker 2: like comfortable in the underworld. Okay, and Mike suggests that

494
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: Techa is not what it seems, that it's actually a

495
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Speaker 2: series of shell companies hiding some sort of mystery, and

496
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Speaker 2: Mike becomes Ron's partner and investigating the chair. Coming together,

497
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: Mike and Ron, they follow leads. They go to warehouses,

498
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Speaker 2: they go, they look up and dresses of Techa executives,

499
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Speaker 2: and they find all everywhere they search, it's a it's

500
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: there's something some sort of dead end. Either the executive

501
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: doesn't exist or the phone number is not real, or

502
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Speaker 2: the warehouse doesn't actually belong to Techa, or the warehouse

503
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: as like a strange red ball inside nothing else and

504
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Speaker 2: nothing else. Ron becomes increasingly erratic as he chases these

505
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: threads down these various rabbit holes. His wife is like,

506
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: what's wrong with you? Or you doing jeep tours? And

507
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 2: he because he's fucking up big time at work and

508
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: again he's under this hr investigation for looking up his

509
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: coworkers dress with the chair when the chair collapse, and

510
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Speaker 2: he's beginning to suspect also because of these phone calls

511
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: he's getting about things that he's hasn't done, that's someone

512
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: has stolen his identity and is like signing him up

513
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: for stuff in And then finally, by episode four, you know,

514
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: everybody's very, very worried about Ron, and eventually he blurts

515
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: out to his daughter, here's what I'm you don't understand, Like,

516
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 2: I know I look crazy, but here's what I'm working on.

517
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: And he lays out the conspiracy theory, and it's basically

518
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: that Teca is a cover for an international opiate dealing

519
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: ring that manufactures opiates in the form of a pin

520
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: in the Teca chair that's meant to keep it stable,

521
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Speaker 2: and that once the chairs are shipped into the United States,

522
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: the pins that are opiates are removed so that they

523
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Speaker 2: can be then sold as drugs, making the chairs less stable,

524
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Speaker 2: thus leading to his accident on the stage during his presentation.

525
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: Natalie's like, oh my god, Dad, that's so cool. How'd

526
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: you figure that out? But they don't really follow it further.

527
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: And then we go to episode five, which I won't

528
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: spoil right that, all which is to say is you

529
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: should be watching.

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Speaker 1: With your company.

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Speaker 5: It's unbelievable.

532
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Speaker 4: I also want to say, guys, do not watch episode

533
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: five in public. There is some unbelievable HBO level nudity

534
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 4: that is.

535
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 5: Like crazy, You don't I love Jason.

536
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 4: How much of this that you understand is is really

537
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 4: and have touched on is about like the.

538
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Speaker 5: Notion of conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 4: Because as much as Tim is usually a silly billy

540
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 4: and kind of does these hilarious almost like comedies of

541
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Speaker 4: manners and kind of the worst versions of people that

542
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: you meet at office and stuff, this is like when

543
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 4: he laid out that conspiracy theory tis dra it was

544
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 4: like the most showbreaking, incredible deal and you just and

545
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 4: her face, like the acting on her face of trying

546
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: to act.

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Speaker 5: Like, yeah, this is definitely a real thing.

548
00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: Uh.

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00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 4: It's just such an interesting, deep show about being online.

550
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: And that's I feel like we're getting a good We're

551
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 4: getting into a good space where people who make TV

552
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 4: and movies are starting to have those conversations pluribus. It's

553
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 4: definitely about like social media algorithms in AI and the

554
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 4: seeking such of making people placid by making them happy.

555
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 4: And this feels like it's about what happens when your

556
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 4: family gets locked into a conspiracy theory, Like how do

557
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 4: you deal with it when it takes over that whole life?

558
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that's where he lays out the conspiracy theory.

559
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Speaker 1: The whole show. The show was just.

560
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Speaker 2: Kind of very creepy conspiracy and thriller coded up to

561
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: that point, but also like very jagged in that Tim

562
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: Robinson way where every scene has something crazy that happens

563
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: that gets paid off, but in a way that you

564
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Speaker 2: almost feel like the show is a series of absolutely

565
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: insane vignettes. Yeah, if they can act, You're not sure

566
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: how when he lays out the theory, it connects all

567
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: the vignettes. Suddenly everything all of a sudden kind of

568
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: makes sense. It clicks, and the show became heightened for

569
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: me in a way that I was not expecting. I

570
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: agree with you, it's a it's very much about like

571
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: it really captures the feeling of how much information we

572
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: have at our fingertips at all times, and how much

573
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: a lot of it is bullshit, untrustable.

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Speaker 4: And we don't we just have to change it, you know,

575
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 4: we don't.

576
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 5: We don't know how to do exactly.

577
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 4: I think a lot about that first episode where he's

578
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 4: looking for Techa. The amount of times I have tried to,

579
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 4: like have a phone call to an insurance company and

580
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: actually speak to like a real.

581
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Speaker 5: Human being is like innumerable.

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Speaker 4: And I've only lived in nine years, so it is

583
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 4: so much that feels very real about living in the Internet.

584
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 4: Ian half the season and where are you at now

585
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 4: on this show?

586
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Speaker 9: So for me, I came into it kind of skeptical,

587
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 9: like I'm not the biggest Tim Robinson fan, Like I

588
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 9: think you should leave. At times it's hard for me

589
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 9: to watch. Certain sketches or vignettes are really funny, but

590
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 9: most of the time, like the super cringy humor, it's

591
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 9: really painful for me to watch. So it's kind of

592
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 9: skeptical coming into this, but I was like, you know what,

593
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Speaker 9: I'll give it a chance, and I'd heard people talking

594
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 9: about it, so I watched it, and I will say

595
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 9: it is obviously very Tim Robinson codd, but it's different

596
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 9: enough from I think you should leave because there is

597
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 9: this bigger, overarching plot and you know, one thing we

598
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 9: were talking about is I think you should leave. It's

599
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 9: everyone else's normal. And then Tim Robinson is like the

600
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Speaker 9: one crazy person, and I feel like you do still

601
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 9: kind of get that here. There are a few other

602
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 9: characters who are as equally crazy and than saying like

603
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Speaker 9: Mike as a standout, Oh, I love for the most part,

604
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 9: like his wife for example, and his daughter, like they're

605
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 9: very like straight characters normal. So it's like him existing

606
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Speaker 9: in this chaotic space while everybody else around him is

607
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 9: like what the fuck is going on with everybody he

608
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 9: works with, with the exception of like Douglas, they're a

609
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 9: also like what's going on with you? You know?

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Speaker 7: So I I really do enjoy that.

611
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Speaker 9: But the way I've and especially like you mentioned after

612
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 9: he has a conversation with his daughter where he lays

613
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Speaker 9: it out, I'm like, that did also change it for me.

614
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 9: I was like, it made it really kind of like

615
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 9: sad almost and it becomes like tragic moment. And for me,

616
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 9: what it feels more of like a commentary about like

617
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Speaker 9: mental health, because the whole show kind of reads as

618
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Speaker 9: like he's having like a manic app Okay.

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Speaker 4: So I wanted to ask you about this, right, I

620
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Speaker 4: wonder if the show because I also had had that feeling.

621
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Speaker 4: But I'm like, I feel like that's a very you

622
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 4: got to make a lot of like smooth choices to

623
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 4: like deal with that in a way that's not, you know,

624
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 4: fucked up.

625
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Speaker 7: I'm reserving judgment to see how they went right.

626
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Speaker 5: But no, no, but I agree with you.

627
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Speaker 4: But my thought on it was like, did he get

628
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Speaker 4: is he just he just keeps getting for my brain injuries?

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Speaker 5: Throughout the show, he gets a TBI when he falls

630
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Speaker 5: off the chair, he hits his head.

631
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Speaker 4: Then he's constantly exploring he hits his head. I wonder

632
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Speaker 4: if there's some kind of elemental.

633
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 5: Pipe. There's a lot of traumatic brain injury stuff.

634
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 4: But my biggest feeling is this is Tim Robinson doing

635
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 4: his version of twin Peaks, like the stuff with the

636
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 4: empty buildings and the huge red ball. So the big

637
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: question is can they both solve the mystery and leave

638
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 4: it open enough that people will want a second season

639
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 4: or is this going to end up Twin Peaks in

640
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: itself or Yellow Jackets in itself.

641
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Speaker 2: It's an interesting question because I don't think that you

642
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: can really analyze Tim's work, whether it's Detroitter's Friendship or

643
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 2: this in kind of the typical way, because the character

644
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: there is Mike is probably the most distinct character that

645
00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: I've seen in any of his work. Yes, right and

646
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: the case, and even then, they don't act like quote

647
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: unquote real people with real connections to each other. Everything

648
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: is extremely, extremely heightened, and so it was it was

649
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 2: surprising to me when I connected in that same way

650
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Speaker 2: with the show and that that you're talking about, where

651
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: all of a sudden it became you felt like, oh

652
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Speaker 2: my God, like here is there's a note of truth

653
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: to it. I will say that I think that what

654
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: what Ron is experiencing is real. I think Techa is

655
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 2: trying to ruin his life because I love that figured

656
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: out something right his conspiracy, Like, first of all, the

657
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 2: conspiracy absolutely tracks like it fits all the evidence and

658
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: there's no doubt, and there's no doubt that like people.

659
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Speaker 1: Are stealing his identity and trying.

660
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Speaker 5: Someone with him.

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Speaker 1: And the way that.

662
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Speaker 2: The way that addresses like a feeling I'm sure like

663
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Speaker 2: lots of people have had, which is that you're kind

664
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Speaker 2: of trapped in this in this machine, this technological like

665
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: economic machine. You have none of the levers to the machine,

666
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: and you're locked in like a rat somewhere and you're

667
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: not even sure where inside of it you are.

668
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Speaker 1: And that's Ron.

669
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Speaker 2: He's like continuously trying to explore, like what the fuck

670
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: is going on and he can't get anywhere. I also

671
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: think with regards to jump to the concussion thing, like

672
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: very clearly, Ron was always I mean, the thing is insane,

673
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Speaker 2: ye like, and.

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Speaker 4: That was.

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Speaker 9: He had of struggles because, like you know, in episode four,

676
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Speaker 9: we get all those flashbacks like to a few years ago,

677
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 9: and we see what the jeep tours, what actually happened,

678
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 9: because it was referenced a few times in previous episodes,

679
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 9: and then we finally see.

680
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: What he got it into the flashbacks, which are like and.

681
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Speaker 9: I think the flashback we also see the relationship with

682
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 9: his daughter, you know, and I think those flashbacks really

683
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 9: do serve again to show like the his family's like, oh,

684
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 9: we've seen this kind of behavior from him before, Like

685
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 9: is he going down this path again? Which really makes

686
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 9: me think like maybe there's like a history with some

687
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 9: kind of mental illness or something there he's having, you know,

688
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 9: like a manic break again because and it's really sad

689
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 9: from his daughter's perspective, because, like you said, when he's

690
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 9: laighing out this whole theory to her, which makes sense,

691
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 9: and we're like, okay, that like kind of tracks there

692
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 9: might be something there. You just see like the sadness

693
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 9: in her eyes and she's tracking him on the phone

694
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 9: and she's like, oh, it's happening again. And then we

695
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 9: cut back to that scene where she's like looking at

696
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 9: him through the door. It's like flashback in the garage

697
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 9: and he's like trying to get his jeep tour stuff together.

698
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 7: It's not working, and we're like, okay, like which is it.

699
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 9: There's this really interesting dynamic between like is this like

700
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 9: really a real conspiracy. Is somebody really out to get him?

701
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 9: Is it all in his head? Is he kind of

702
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 9: imagining it?

703
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 7: Is it both?

704
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 5: Is he a terrible businessman?

705
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 4: But somebody's also out to get him, Like I feel

706
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 4: like the Jeep Tours if I was gonna I mean,

707
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 4: it's not a show. There's not a story to theorize

708
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 4: on this show because it's so deranged. But I do

709
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 4: like somebody that was ejured in the Jeep Tours is

710
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 4: probably doing all of this to him, Like the.

711
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 5: Jeep Tours is such a big part of it that.

712
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 4: I feel like it's going to tie in. But yeah,

713
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: I mean a great series. Like, guys, you got to

714
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 4: watch this show.

715
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: I will say that. Another thing this show makes me

716
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: think about. It's just like how much wish I touched

717
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: on it earlier. But we just have too much information.

718
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Speaker 1: I remember when I was.

719
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Speaker 2: A kid, we we were watching me and my friends,

720
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Speaker 2: like in seventh.

721
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: ORTIEH Grade or whatever, we were watching Platoon and we

722
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: were like, Oh, this guy in Platoon.

723
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: Corey Glover, who is the lead singer, was the lead

724
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: singer in the you know, trailblazing black rock metal band

725
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: Living Color.

726
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Speaker 1: Corey Glover.

727
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 2: That's Corey Glover, the lead singer of Living Color. And

728
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: also Corey Glover is Danny Glover from Lethal Weapon Fame,

729
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: Danny Glover's son. I don't know how we got this information,

730
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: but somebody said that, and we just like debated it

731
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: back and forth for an entire summer. YEP, if it

732
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: was if that was a similar thing that happened today,

733
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: we'd go online and that would lead to you like

734
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: one rabbit hole, and then you'd be on something else.

735
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: Then you'd be like, yeah, Glover's grandmother like invented whiskey.

736
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: We'd be like, so far afield. Instead, we just had

737
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: to wonder about it until we eventually found like the

738
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 2: information in a magazine or something.

739
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: And this show.

740
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: Really gets at that feeling of you pull one thread,

741
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: you don't get any answers, but it leads to three

742
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: more threads. You pull those three things, you're like, okay,

743
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: remember the first thread, but you keep pulling threads and

744
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 2: now you're on thread like eighty and you completely forgot,

745
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 2: like why you got into this in the first place.

746
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 2: I spend too many nights doing that, whereas in the past,

747
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: you'd spend one summer being like, is that is Corey

748
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 2: Glover from Plato Danny Glover's son?

749
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just don't know.

750
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 4: We used to play this game called the Movie Game,

751
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: where we basically it's basically six degrees of Kevin Bacon,

752
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 4: but I didn't know that, you know, but it was

753
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 4: like you pick one person from a movie and you

754
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 4: have to get to another.

755
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 5: So you pick, like, you know, someone from a really

756
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 5: old movie like.

757
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: Audrey Hepburn, and you pick Arnold Tortschenegger, and then you

758
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 4: have to pick six movies where they worked with someone

759
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 4: to get to the other person, right, And that was

760
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 4: something that if you had social media or the Internet,

761
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 4: you would just not be able to do. But we

762
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 4: would legit play it for like hours and we would

763
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Speaker 4: just all be believing each.

764
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Speaker 5: Other's like great top tips too. So yeah, I feel

765
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 5: that deeply as an older millennial. And yeah, what a

766
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 5: great show. You got to watch it. Guys.

767
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break and return with Carmen to

768
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: talk about whether Ryan Murphy is making a made a

769
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Speaker 2: purposefully shitty show with Paul's Fair criently on who.

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Speaker 10: Harman welcome, she's talking about horror or she is Yes,

771
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 10: bullied me into watching Fair.

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00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: Miraculous, starring Kim Kardashian and a bunch of Ryan murphy

773
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Speaker 2: h usual suspects, including Naomi Watts, Niassy Nash Bets, Sarah Close,

774
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Speaker 2: and the pilot was deranged.

775
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: It was almost some Robinson sketch and.

776
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: It's so looking crazy. And currently a lot of the

777
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: discourse online about this show is, did Ryan Murphy make

778
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: a bad show on purpose?

779
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Speaker 1: Did he did he purposefully go past camp to just.

780
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: Like like horrificness. I don't know about that. But but

781
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Speaker 2: Carmen as the as the as the trailblazer, who Lee

782
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Speaker 2: who led us to this topic to tell us about

783
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: your thoughts about All's fair and whether Ryan Murphy might

784
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 2: have done this on purpose?

785
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Speaker 11: He yes, thank you for bringing me here today to

786
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 11: talk about this, because I.

787
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Speaker 2: And IT could not give us what's the logline of

788
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: the show.

789
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: The show is about what?

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Speaker 11: Okay? So the show is about basically Kim Kardashian. Her

791
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 11: name is Alura Grant. These all, all of these women,

792
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 11: by the way, have ridiculous character names, which we're cann't do,

793
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 11: which is another reason why I know this is done

794
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 11: on purpose. But Alura Grant is leaving the law firm

795
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Speaker 11: that she has worked at, owned by Glenn Close, and

796
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 11: Glenn Close's character's name is, oh my god, what is it?

797
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 11: Dina standish incredible Dina. These all sound like drag names

798
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 11: of like a lawyer. Absolutely, and she is leaving Dina

799
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Speaker 11: Standish's law firm, starting her new law firm, taking with

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Speaker 11: Dina'sish's blessing, taking Naomi Watts who is Liberty, Ronson, Nisi Nash,

801
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 11: whose character's name is Emerald Green incredible, and Tiana Taylor's

802
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 11: character whose name is Milan. So she's taking all of

803
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 11: these women, starting her own law firm. And it is

804
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 11: a divorce law firm, but it's not any old divorce

805
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 11: law firm. It is like the top tier rich bitch

806
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 11: law firm. You need to get divorced from your husband

807
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 11: who is a multi multi millionaire, come to me. So

808
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 11: it is looking Camp straight in the eye.

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Speaker 4: That's I agree, Common, I think like. So, basically, when

810
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 4: the show came out, me and Joelle and Common were

811
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 4: messaging each other in the Scream Queens group chat and

812
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 4: we were like, hey, is this bad?

813
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 5: Everyone keeps texting me and saying it's bad.

814
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 4: Maybe I should work zero percent on Nara percent on

815
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Speaker 4: Moron Tomorrow's at the time now four percent because obviously

816
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 4: it has now got some champions post this conversation. But

817
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 4: basically came out zero percent cost hundreds of millions of dollars,

818
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 4: looks like a shond it's just one hundred million, one

819
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 4: hundred million dollars it costs. And you know what, I

820
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 4: got to say, the money is on the screen because

821
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Speaker 4: the visuals, Yeah, you see every penny.

822
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Speaker 5: The costumes are crazy, and there is so much like.

823
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Speaker 11: The wigs, there's a wig every scene.

824
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 5: There's also insane amounts of like wealth porn. But to me,

825
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 5: that adds like I.

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Speaker 4: Was speaking to my friend about it last night and

827
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Speaker 4: they were like, you know, we watched it because we

828
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Speaker 4: saw you saying that you were on the side that

829
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Speaker 4: it's good. It's so bad, it's good and I and

830
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 4: they were like, we hated it. It's wealth porn. I

831
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Speaker 4: was like, yeah.

832
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Speaker 5: But to me, Kim Kardashian putting on a giant ring

833
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 5: the size you know, with a.

834
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Speaker 4: Gem that looks so big, Taylor's engagement ring that looks

835
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Speaker 4: like it's like, to me, that just looks like it's

836
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Speaker 4: from party City.

837
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Speaker 5: So that's just campus ship.

838
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Speaker 4: Like I don't if I had to be a Kardashian

839
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Speaker 4: in real life or in a version where she has,

840
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Speaker 4: you know, jewels that cost more than like a small

841
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Speaker 4: GDP of a country.

842
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 5: To me, that adds to the campness, and.

843
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Speaker 4: I do feel like there is no way that Ryan

844
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 4: Murphy wrote this without knowing exactly what he was doing. Guys,

845
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 4: they have Sarah Paulson with the most vicious and probably

846
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: heartfelt delivery where she calls Kim Kardashian a comrag.

847
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 5: Like that is the level of this show.

848
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Speaker 11: Jason, you have pulled it from a real player.

849
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, she felt like it did. Jason.

850
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Speaker 4: You have a very fun theory about this that I like,

851
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 4: which puts more of.

852
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 5: A petty vengeance spin on it.

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Speaker 2: Well, so, first of all, like let's dig into the

854
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: price tag and the Ryan Murphy of it all, and

855
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: it's stuntcasting of Kim Kardashian, who I don't know if

856
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: she's she's certainly in the top ten of Instagram followers

857
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: right still to this day.

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Speaker 4: I think over the yeah a million so say as well,

859
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 4: like he's worked with that before and it didn't pop.

860
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Speaker 5: So I don't know. Maybe they signed like a triple contract.

861
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 4: Contract because it didn't work for horror stories.

862
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 5: It didn't work.

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00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: Well, clearly the idea is, listen, we need to pump

864
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: up Hulu, we need subs.

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Speaker 1: Kim wants to continue.

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Speaker 2: Her drive into script it as the reality show is

867
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Speaker 2: kind of you know, now mining the same plot lines

868
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Speaker 2: for the fourth and fifth and.

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Speaker 1: Sixth time, and so like, what can we do?

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Speaker 2: Let's pair him, Let's pair her with Ryan Murphy, who

871
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: she's worked with before as a as a hit maker.

872
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: And as you mentioned, this might have been part of

873
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: an existing deal, although the Angler is reporting now that

874
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: this show came upon about as part of a meeting

875
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Speaker 2: that happened between Disney co chair Dana Walden and Chris Jenner,

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00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: with Chris Jenner urging and Kardashian who and with Chris

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Speaker 2: and Kardashian basically saying we need a project and Dana

878
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: Waller saying what about a reality show? And Kardashian and

879
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: jenn are saying, no, what about something scripted? Can can

880
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 2: Bryan Murphy write something?

881
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: So he wrote this?

882
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 4: Okay, wow, this to me, This to me is a

883
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 4: get what you be, careful what you wish for situation

884
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 4: in that case, because I do think whatever issues And look, guys,

885
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 4: go back and listen to ed Gan. We were saying

886
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 4: this motherfucker needed to be he needs to be stopped.

887
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 4: Like I do not I do not want I am

888
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 4: not a huge bacon nap.

889
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 5: I'm not a huge fan. I have massive critique.

890
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 4: Ex Grandpa, if you're gonna be making something, yeah, make

891
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 4: some fucking shit like this.

892
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

893
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 4: I texted everyone this feels like you're watching The Bold

894
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 4: and the Beautiful directed by John Waters. Like, to me,

895
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 4: that's the kind of trash I want. John Waters lives

896
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 4: in trash.

897
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 5: This is trash. It's the same to me.

898
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 4: Like, but I don't think him Kardashian and Chris Jenna

899
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 4: approached it with that way.

900
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 5: I think Ryan Muffy probably.

901
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: So this is my theory. So this is my theory.

902
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: Murphy signed on because he loves a check.

903
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 11: He never check right.

904
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: He got a bunch of his usual suspects he would

905
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 2: expect to be in good stuff or or at least

906
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 2: interesting stuff, right, Glenn close, yeh, He's done very interesting.

907
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 4: Lots of Emmy Golden Globe ostas around these.

908
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: Pauls and she and they and.

909
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: They start working on it. Kim and Chris Joanner have

910
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: notes about everything. They don't they want different dialogue, they

911
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: didn't want different scenes. There's gotta be a power struggle.

912
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: I can't imagine any world in which Kim Kardashian and

913
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: Chris Janner just go, Okay, Ryan, we like that, Let's

914
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: do it.

915
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

916
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 11: I mean, Chris's executive producer and.

917
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 4: She stage manages how kids maverage, so of course she's

918
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 4: gonna have a say about what.

919
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 5: TV shows there.

920
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: And so at a certain point Ryan just decided, I'm

921
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 2: gonna make this terror. I'm gonna I'm gonna embarrass you.

922
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make this the lowest rated piece of shit

923
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: that everybody watches and hates, and I'm going to make

924
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: it so you will never have a career inscripted unless

925
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: it's something like this.

926
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: The idea as well, like.

927
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: A fucking dumpster dive sewer excursion that sucks ass but

928
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 2: does it in the most loud, fantastic, lavish, silk strewn,

929
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 2: diamond studded way possible because fuck you Kim Kardashian, fuck

930
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: you Christ Janner. And I can't say that, but I'll

931
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 2: say it. I crew tell love this theory.

932
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 4: And if this is true, it makes a lot of

933
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 4: sense because I do have to say that there are

934
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 4: a lot of options in this show where it does

935
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 4: feel like Kim Kardashian is.

936
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 5: Like the butt of the joke.

937
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 4: Even if she maybe doesn't know, for example, one of

938
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 4: the first time I don't think she does realize, and

939
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 4: that makes it even better in my opinion, because she

940
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 4: plays it completely sincere.

941
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 5: But also I.

942
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 4: Will say, like I feel like Nissi she knows exactly

943
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 4: what show she's in, and I or something I do

944
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 4: want to commend, which is so funny because like when

945
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 4: do you do this? But I also always do try

946
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 4: and shout out PR teams because you guys are working

947
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 4: so hard and we work with so many incredible PR teams.

948
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 4: But I have to say, I think the most impressive

949
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 4: thing about the way that they have handled this show

950
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 4: is actually once the reviews came in, they leaned into it,

951
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 4: they started doing they'd started doing like cuts of the

952
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 4: craziest moments.

953
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 5: Nissi Nash is out there.

954
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 4: Nisi Nash Betts is out there and she's showcasing the

955
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 4: scene where she's talking about where they, by the way,

956
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 4: are blackmailing someone in the first episode, like a billionaire

957
00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 4: with like sexy pictures of him like BDSM clubs up

958
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 4: dressed as a fucking fuck piggy Daddy.

959
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 11: Or whatever, piggy Piggy.

960
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 4: I was just like, this is incredible I love you,

961
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 4: NISI and whoever decided that the way to approach it

962
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 4: was basically to be like they've been doing pr with Naomi.

963
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 5: Sarah Paulson, like some of the Glenn Close like women.

964
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 4: Who was so fantastically famous, and they're doing like videos

965
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 4: of them dancing around like talking about how that couns

966
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 4: and stuff like it's an incredible pay this.

967
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: Here's Here's what I feel like is the weakness in

968
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 2: my theory. Okay, I think Ryan Murphy is quite capable

969
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: of creating very loud shit TV. Yes we know that,

970
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: but why would why would he do this to Why

971
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 2: would you do this to Sarah?

972
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: Why would you do this Glenn Close? Why would do

973
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: Why would they be involved in it?

974
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 4: Right?

975
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 2: Why would they be Here's my retort to that. Okay, yeah,

976
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 2: why would.

977
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: They be involved in it?

978
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: Look around your television sometime and pay attention to the commercials.

979
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 2: Vince Vaughan and Owen Wilson doing cable TV commercials TV

980
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: for Infinity, so Magling, Kamel Nan Johnny doing direct TV commercials,

981
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: William Dafoe and Catherine Ohara doing Ultra Michel ob Blight commercials.

982
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 4: Guys from Scrubs doing t mobile commercials, it's.

983
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: All happen is not there in the way that it

984
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: used to be there in entertainment TV.

985
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: And of course, like I'm not trying to.

986
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: Say that these that they're poor or that I'm just

987
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 2: saying that from their perspective, the money is not coming

988
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: in the way it used to because I guarantee you

989
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: every single one of them would love to not be

990
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: doing commercials. I think Kanahey would love to not be

991
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: doing Sales Force and Uber Eats ads that they have

992
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 2: to because the projects are not there. So as for why,

993
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 2: like respected good actors would be.

994
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: In this, because the paycheck baby is.

995
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 4: Yah Sarah Poster having fun is a funny gay I

996
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 4: was gonna says.

997
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 5: I think she read that script and she probably.

998
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 4: Called Ryan and was like what the fuck and he

999
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 4: was like, laid down whatever the backstory want to guess. Yeah,

1000
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 4: just a great, a great, insane, divisive show and it's

1001
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 4: going to be one of the big talking points of

1002
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 4: the last seasons of Obvious Tears.

1003
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: Continue watching it, but I'm eager to see where they

1004
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 2: where the discords go.

1005
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 4: We'll text you, will text you, We'll text you the memes.

1006
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it for this episode Thanks for Listening by.

1007
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Speaker 3: X Ray.

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00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: Vision is hosted by Jason Concepts Young and Rosie Knight

1009
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 2: and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 4: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Korfman.

1011
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 4: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wack.

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00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate themes

1014
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kauffman.

1015
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 4: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and Heidi.

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Speaker 5: Our discord moderator

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