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Speaker 2: with a fellow American. Her name is Beth King. She

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Speaker 2: comes from the Army. She was a crew chief on Chinook's.

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Speaker 2: She was injured. I can get into it. Probably during

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Speaker 2: some type of a transport situation. There was prey transporting

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to let Beth say hello to us. Hello, Beth, Hey,

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Speaker 2: how's it going? Oh it's going great? Am I close

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Speaker 2: so far? Crew chief? United States Army.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was a crew chief on the Chinook two

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Speaker 3: thousand and nine till twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 4: When I was Mike retired.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you were medically retired. What year did you

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Speaker 2: go in the military. How old were you when you enlisted?

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Speaker 3: I turned thirty in basic training in U two and nine.

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Speaker 4: Yep, Grandma, Yeah, you called that pretty much pretty much.

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Speaker 2: Did you realized that there were seventeen year olds in

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Speaker 2: boot camp while you were turning thirty who had already

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Speaker 2: picked that course? Were you like, where was I at seventeen?

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Speaker 3: Well, at seventeen, I'm an identical twin, so I couldn't

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Speaker 4: Idea of leaving, so I didn't go.

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Speaker 3: Then I went to college and live that life for

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Speaker 3: a better way to support this kid.

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Speaker 4: I wasn't wasn't making enough money in the civilian sector.

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Speaker 4: I didn't have a trade. So I grew up military.

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Speaker 3: So my dad had five of us little navy brats,

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Speaker 3: so I knew the military could support us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you did. You got in, So you

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Speaker 2: got in. You you really just pulled your bootstraps right

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Speaker 2: up at an older age, like pushing thirty. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I like to think that that's actually what made me

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Speaker 3: all the dumb stuff you do when you're young. I

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Speaker 4: And I'd already lived I'd already lived through that part.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, but by the time your boys five, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and because of my identical twin, that's where I

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Speaker 4: It was perfect. He fit right in.

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Speaker 2: I think I love your story the most. This is

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Speaker 2: so just that right there, the fact that you like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much too.

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Speaker 2: Like here you go. He probably didn't even know you

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Speaker 3: He said there were moments when it was comforting because

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Speaker 3: But then there were moments where she would yell to

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Speaker 4: It was both good and bad.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Wow? Did he get to go see you graduate at

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Speaker 2: the you know, at your final Oh yep, boy, Well,

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Speaker 2: your bomb run walk run. So I'm sure he's like,

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Speaker 2: which one's mom, Which one's mom?

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Speaker 4: But bro, I mean I was the short one.

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Speaker 2: Do you think five to three was beneficial to be

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Speaker 3: I would have to say yes, only because we have

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Speaker 4: I walk right under it.

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Speaker 2: Right, That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So my

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Speaker 3: Really is the best aircraft. Climb higher, fly, faster, carry moore. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I used to call them potato bugs, you know, the

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Speaker 3: Around, we're into the aircraft. So the length of your

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Speaker 3: So a lot of people keep them like six feet

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Speaker 3: So you can't have it too short or you're constantly

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did that ever come in handy for you? Oh?

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Speaker 3: So that John Deere saved our lives. But the aircraft,

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Speaker 4: I have no idea what just happened.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. As we're talking. If you're listening, she had

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Speaker 3: Lot of the pilots ended up landing it manually, so

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Speaker 4: They had no instrumentation.

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Speaker 3: Everything had been severed with the like the bundle of

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Speaker 2: When the aircraft aircraft came down the helicopter. Was it

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Speaker 2: just kind of like a flat feather being landed hard,

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Speaker 3: If I'm hunchon honest, I don't Once I went out

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Speaker 4: On the ground.

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Speaker 3: I know, before I went out it was pretty jostly.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't smooth at all, but it was. They were

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Speaker 3: off because they were there aren't too much of an incline.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me just add jostling to your medical evaluation. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: real quick, attribute jostling there, Okay, to your rating. All right, Va,

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Speaker 2: you hear jostling. Okay, let's add that. I'm just trying

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Speaker 2: to help you here. Don't mind me.

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Speaker 3: If you need civilian math. I'm over three hundred percent,

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Speaker 3: so I'm good.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Congratulations, congratulations. If it's going to be that way,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be that way. Okay. If it's going

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Speaker 2: And so as long as your son's got school paid

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Speaker 2: for now, hey exactly, which you're one hundred percent, so

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Speaker 3: If you look at all my tattoos in line, it's

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Speaker 4: Over five hours of tattooing.

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Speaker 3: But I know, I don't I don't get tattooed if

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Speaker 2: And are you are you weapons qualified on what's going

440
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 2: down on the vehicle as a crew chief? Are you

441
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 2: able to get to the two forty? Is that you?

442
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah?

443
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 2: The door?

444
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 3: Have we have a there was a two forty on

445
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 3: the ramp and one in the cabin door and one

446
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 3: in the left side window.

447
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:12,199
Speaker 4: So the gunner. The usually is not aircraft qualified. They

448
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 4: could be any ms.

449
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 3: We just they sit in the left, they clear us left,

450
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 3: and they shoot the crew. Then there's a crew chief

451
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: and a flight engineer, So the flight engineer is UH

452
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 3: in charge basically, and they can either be at the

453
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 3: cabin door or the ramp, and the crew.

454
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 4: Chief will either be at the other location.

455
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,480
Speaker 3: So in in in country, in Afghanistan or Iraq or

456
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 3: wherever we are, it takes three members in the back

457
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 3: of the aircraft plus the two pilots. Here in the

458
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 3: US it needs UH two back enders and two pilots,

459
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 3: so we don't need.

460
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 4: A gunner in the US.

461
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, well without a crew.

462
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 4: Chief and a flight engineer.

463
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 2: So flight engineer takes president over everybody on the aircraft

464
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: like they are in control right, and then it would

465
00:21:59,560 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 2: go to.

466
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 4: You as first back enders. Yes, yeah, it's weird.

467
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 3: It's weird because the pilots are The pilots have to

468
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 3: clear movement through us right because they can only see

469
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 3: to their back right. The aircraft is so long, there's

470
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 3: no windows for them to look at like. They have

471
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 3: very limited view, so if they want to go left, right,

472
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 3: up or down, they have to call over the radio,

473
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 3: Am I clear left? Am I clear up? Am I

474
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 3: clear down? And then they have to wait for us

475
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 3: to respond before moving. So it really is more of

476
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 3: a team atmosphere and crew coordination. It's not really any

477
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 3: one person really truly in charge. And at the end

478
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 3: of the night, when the roads stopped turning, it's very

479
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:44,879
Speaker 3: much pilots piloting, piloting demand, you know, and then it

480
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 3: goes downhill, right, So while roads are turning and we're

481
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 3: in the air, it is very.

482
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 4: Much everyone depends on everyone because.

483
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 3: They they can't they could, they could want to come down,

484
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 3: and I can tell them they can't. They have to

485
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 3: come forward or they have to come here, and they

486
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 3: have to do what is being asked of them because

487
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 3: they can't see what I see. And it really is

488
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 3: about trying to avoid, you know, bad outcomes that are everybody.

489
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

490
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 2: You are literally hanging out probably the side of it.

491
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: If there's a door, looking looking down, watching cables coming up,

492
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: watching baskets, whatever, you're like, left left aft, aft, you

493
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 2: know what we're doing.

494
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 3: If we're doing slingload operations, then either the crew tree

495
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: or the flight engineer actually could most likely be hanging

496
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 3: out of the hell hole where the Middleicina focus. There's

497
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 3: a hole on the floor. A lot of times we're

498
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: hanging from our waist up out of that hole to

499
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: line it up. So yeah, yeah, it's a lot of fun.

500
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: Times hit a lot of good bro that's like, oh nine,

501
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 2: So your son was five, today's twenty twenty four. So

502
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 2: now your sounds like what fifteen? Almost? How's your son?

503
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 2: Shut the hell up about it? Math listen. So you

504
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 2: must think mobs the ship.

505
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I mean.

506
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 2: I think so.

507
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 4: He tells people all the time. I mean, I don't

508
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 4: it sounds it sounds.

509
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: A it does.

510
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 4: Got a big head. But yes, yeah, he's very proud

511
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 4: of me.

512
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm very proud of you. No, it's badass. You're badass.

513
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: That's bad ass. We get people on the show all

514
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: the time and everybody's rockstar and you just shine. It's

515
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: just like bam, you know. Uh, I know that we're

516
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: supposed to talk about tattoos and all that, but you're

517
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: a rock star. Okay, So whether you were in a

518
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: chinook or on a stage, you're a rock star wherever

519
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: you're going. That's why you know that. I feel it.

520
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: I get it. I have a lot of people. Yeah,

521
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: you're welcome. Yeah, what's your next tattoo? When is that?

522
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: What's the date? What's the anniversary that you know the

523
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: RPG went into your job.

524
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 3: July twenty fifth is the anniversary date. So I actually

525
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 3: just got it and it is I don't know if

526
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 3: you can see it?

527
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 2: Well, oh is it on your o your forearm right there?

528
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's a it's hard to get it around there.

529
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 4: It's a light bulb.

530
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: It is a light bulb.

531
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, a light bulb. My life should have gone out

532
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 3: that night, but it's doesn't.

533
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 4: I'm here.

534
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: I'm here with the plants.

535
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: So it's kind it's gotta sho it's got a chinook

536
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 3: in a mountain scene and then a guy sitting huddled

537
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 3: up in the on the bottom.

538
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 4: But it was kind of like you know that, yeah,

539
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 4: because you know that night none of us should have

540
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 4: made it.

541
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: There were thirteen people that walked away, and uh, you know,

542
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 3: it was a miracle for all of us. And it

543
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: kind of feels like there is trying to find a

544
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 3: better purpose, something more to do with my life, because

545
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 3: like I said, I was, I was, Uh, substantially my

546
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 3: life changed that night.

547
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 4: Fit mentally medically physically. Yeah, you know, it's been along road.

548
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: I just in December had my right leg amputative, and

549
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: I'm learning to walk again. And you know, I spent

550
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 3: ten years with a weird gait. I couldn't really walk right.

551
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 3: My right leg wasn't working because of the brain injury,

552
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 3: so my whole right side went weak.

553
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 4: I had all these other neurological stuff happened.

554
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: So it's getting back up there, you know, trying to

555
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 3: what's my next plan, what's the next way to impact

556
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 3: the world, because I'm I.

557
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 4: I shouldn't have made it back, and I did, and

558
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 4: I need to. I need to keep giving. I need

559
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 4: to keep giving. And I think that's what I really

560
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 4: love about my affiliation with Wounded Wire Project is that

561
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 4: one they were there when I was struggling to leave

562
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 4: my house.

563
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 3: They got me out, they got me active, they got

564
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: me connected to other veterans. But now they're giving me

565
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: a way to give back. They're giving me a way

566
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,239
Speaker 3: to help others find help. And you know, you know,

567
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: meeting Mars and getting doing that whole tattoo documentary with

568
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 3: him was phenomenal. One I probably never would I met him.

569
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: He's from Pennsylvania. I'm currently in Missouri, but I was

570
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: in New Mexico for a decade before that, so like

571
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: our worlds were worlds apart, right, but then went in

572
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 3: talking and our during the tattoo, you know, we were

573
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 3: in Afghanistan pretty close to each other, in similar locations,

574
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: you know, during the same time period, and I was

575
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 3: just so crazy. And I think a big piece of

576
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 3: my recovery really has been finding other people that are

577
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 3: having similar struggles, because it's hard to come into the

578
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: civilian sector, especially as a female, to come back after

579
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 3: war after seeing some of the things I've seen, after

580
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: going through what I have gone through, it's hard to

581
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 3: relate back to the civilian world. And PCSD is a

582
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 3: big part of that for me, because I saw threats

583
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: that everywhere, and.

584
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: I had a hard time letting my guard down.

585
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: And you know, I just it changes you in a

586
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 3: way that I can't really I don't know that I

587
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: have the words to explain, but it just made being

588
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: a civilian really hard. Like I didn't fit in. I

589
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: didn't fit in with the other females at my church.

590
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 3: I didn't fit in with the other you know, I

591
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: just I don't really quite fit and you know. Yeah,

592
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: I mean I think sometimes that's more important how you

593
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 3: feel about it. You could fit somewhere and feel like

594
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: you don't. You know, it's like you're in a room

595
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: full of people and you feel completely alone, and that

596
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: is one of the worst feelings.

597
00:27:59,400 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 4: You know.

598
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: I always say it's it's easier to be alone when

599
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 3: you're actually alone.

600
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 4: When you're in a room full of people and you're alone.

601
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 4: It is. It is menacing, it is you know, it

602
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 4: is it is, right, Yeah.

603
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's true. I mean it just it can

604
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: hitch it and some people who go on stage have

605
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 2: it and they still force themselves to go into this

606
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: crowded environment to be in this group full of people. Right,

607
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: But at the end of it all, they're just like

608
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: I want to just like go crawl into a closet

609
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: somewhere and not see anybody for a minute. Yeah, you know,

610
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: you got to pull you got to push through that,

611
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: and so wanted warriors helping you to push through, uh,

612
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: getting out of the house and not just kind of

613
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: sitting around on yourself.

614
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it started with a Souldier ride, right,

615
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 3: they called every year on my birthday.

616
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 4: When I was going through the PTSD program.

617
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 3: I got signed up for Wounder Warrior Project, and it

618
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: took me four years to do anything with them because

619
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: I had all my lambs at that time.

620
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 4: I had because of the brain injury.

621
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: I had balance issues, so I walked with a cane

622
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: and I struggled.

623
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 4: I had drop foot. My speech was really impaired.

624
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: So your speech was impaired. Is that what you're telling me?

625
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: And so you've really worked hard to get that just yeah? Right.

626
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: I think if I was sitting in a room and

627
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: I wasn't speaking, you wouldn't know anything was wrong with me.

628
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: But the second I'd go to speak or I'd stand

629
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: up to move, you could tell.

630
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 4: Because it was all neurological stuff.

631
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: But because I looked on the outside like I was whole,

632
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: I really struggled to use the resources that were there

633
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: for me. I felt like, you know, there were people

634
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: who were so much worse off, And so it took

635
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: me four years before I reached out to Wundawarre Project

636
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 3: to see if they could.

637
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: Help me at all.

638
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: They called me every year on my birthday just to

639
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: check in and see how I was doing, and you know,

640
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: do you need anything?

641
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: And I was like, no, I'm fine, right, I was miserable.

642
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: I resented at a breath I took, I didn't want

643
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 3: to be here anymore. But I have the son at

644
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: home that if I if I unlive myself at that point,

645
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: that would be traumatic for him. Right, Like, I really

646
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: struggled with the fact that I made it back, and

647
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: I think that's where A wound to Warrior Project when

648
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: they found when I finally reached out and said, actually,

649
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: I do need help, you know, and they got me

650
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: to a soldier ride and I met other people that

651
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: were dealing with the same things.

652
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 4: That felt like that was.

653
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: A shell of who I was before and I couldn't

654
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: figure out how to get back. And the truth is,

655
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: I'm never going to be who I was, But you know,

656
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: Windawar Project really helped me learn how to build on

657
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 3: where I am and how to become the next best

658
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: version of myself. Right, I'm never going to be best

659
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: before Afghanistan. That's never going to happen. And that's okay,

660
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: because to be honest, I really like who I am today.

661
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: I really like there is there are some struggles and

662
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: there are some real hardships that I never had to

663
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: deal with before. But you know, I get to stand

664
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: here and go as a single parent, my son could

665
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: be like my mom has taught me how to persevere,

666
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 3: and as a man, that's an important thing to know, right,

667
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 3: Like I can have some pride in the fact that

668
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: even in my struggle and my inability might me not

669
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 3: allowing myself to quit has been such a role model,

670
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: even just to my son.

671
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 4: But now we add other warriors that I deal with,

672
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 4: you know. And so I started cycling. WUND thewarri Project

673
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: then sent me to a sports clinic. I got to

674
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: learn other things I could do, and and pretty soon the.

675
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: Realization was I can do anything I could do before.

676
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: It's gonna look different, right, Yeah, I'm gonna need adaptive equipment.

677
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna need some extra support along the way.

678
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm sitting here today, ten years after

679
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: my retirement, getting ready to go back to welding school.

680
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: And that was something, you know, like that was something

681
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: I didn't think I was ever gonna be able to

682
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: do another work, a real job again, you know.

683
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 4: And and and I've put the time in. I've put

684
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 4: the work in, and it hasn't been easy.

685
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: But you know, wonder wearor Project themselves and the people

686
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: that they have UH linked me up with have been

687
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 3: a huge part of me getting to where.

688
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 4: I am today.

689
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: I love that, you know. It just caught you welding

690
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: going back. Losing a leg reminds me of that movie

691
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: with Cuba Gooding Junior and Rob de Niro where he's like,

692
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: damn it, just get gamut. Cookie'll want done steps and

693
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: I want them now. You're gonna give you them ten

694
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: steps in this court room right now? You know, I can't.

695
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: What's that show called? He had lost his leg in

696
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: an accident in the military and still wanted to prove

697
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: that he can continue through, like you can't stop me.

698
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: You're not gonna stop me. Only he can stop himself.

699
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: Only you can stop you. Like you said, you know,

700
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: I believe in I believe in freedom of choice. You

701
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: have the freedom to choose whatever you want to do

702
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: to yourself. We don't want you to unlive yourself, We

703
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: don't want you to do those things. But I can't

704
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: fully stop somebody making a personal decision about a tattoo.

705
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: But they want to put in their body and what

706
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: they want to do themselves. It should be freedom of choice.

707
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: And so all I can tell you is I love you,

708
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: and we would miss you, and you're you're really wanted

709
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: around here more than you think you are. You know,

710
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: don't let your little brain take you out, take you down.

711
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: That So that is that is what I've learned in

712
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 3: the route, you know, like that's where I started. And

713
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 3: you know, I have way more better, great days today

714
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 3: and you know, I still around my anniversary, I get.

715
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it's weird to call it

716
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 4: survivor's skill, because usually I think survivor's guilt is really

717
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: about when someone you know died with you and you

718
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 4: you live through it.

719
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 3: Right For me, even just I think the fact that

720
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: I resented being here and knowing all the lives that

721
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: had been lost and their families would have done anything

722
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: to have them back. I think I had a lot

723
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: of guilt around the fact that I resented still living,

724
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: you know, and so life, life is much better today

725
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: than it's ever been.

726
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 4: Like I'm at my best place.

727
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: You're like my helicopter would never fall out of the sky.

728
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: Should have fallen out of the sky. This shouldn't have happened.

729
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: There should have been an RPG that should I should

730
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: have watched better, I should have moved left when I

731
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: went right. All these things are always going to be

732
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: that your your mental rubs cube of trying to figure out.

733
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: Because your your bin always wants to make it a

734
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: better scenario and you can't.

735
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 4: You can't. Sometimes you just have to get to a

736
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 4: point you can accept it. This is what happened, this

737
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 4: is where I'm at now.

738
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: And I could either do X, Y and Z and improve,

739
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 3: or I could do nothing and stay stuck. Or I

740
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: could choose to destroy my life. Right Like, those are

741
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: your three options. You can always stay where you're at

742
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 3: and be miserable. You can get better, you can get worse,

743
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 3: And it really is all dependent on your mindset and

744
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: what you really want, because if it's not easy to

745
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: do better, you know, it hasn't been easy, you know,

746
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: Like just recently with the amputation, that was a long road.

747
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 4: It was thirteen years of dealing with neurological issues and

748
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 4: pain and having to fight and advocate because I wanted

749
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 4: to walk, you know, And at one point the surgeons

750
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 4: were like, but you may not ever be able to, Like,

751
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 4: you have to realize that this is a brain injury.

752
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 3: You may not I was like, but if I don't

753
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: do something, I know I know what's ahead of me, right,

754
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 3: I know the misery I'm living.

755
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 4: So I have two options, do nothing and stay here,

756
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 4: or do something and hope for the better. And I

757
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: think that really is that's like a perfect example of

758
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 4: just mental health in general, right, Like you can do

759
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 4: something and hope that it gets better. You can work

760
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 4: towards a better solution, or you can do nothing and

761
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 4: be miserable. But it really is one hundred percent on

762
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 4: you to decide, and no one can do the work

763
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 4: for you. You know.

764
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: I can encourage people and tell people that I want

765
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: what's best for them, and at the end of the day,

766
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: it's on them, you know, it's it's not my control.

767
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 3: And I just love when I get the opportunities to

768
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 3: be the cheerleader, to encourage people and to help them

769
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 3: walk through the hard times because there are people there

770
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: for me, you know, and I want to be that

771
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 3: person back.

772
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 4: You know. That's the whole wound a where logo, you

773
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 4: know what I mean.

774
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: First you're the one getting carried, and then you get

775
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: to you get your strength back, and you get to

776
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: carry someone else. And it is it is, it is, truly,

777
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: it is truly the epitome of what what we're doing.

778
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: You know, I've met so many friends that through my

779
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 2: time in this position who have lost limbs. Okay, so many,

780
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: and one of them worked for me for many years

781
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 2: here at my shop, and he would always say, rad

782
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: if you're on your podcast. He was blown up from

783
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: an ied, both legs gone. You know, he didn't feel

784
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: that it was as bad as his friend because his

785
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: friend had immediately lost his arm in the situation, he

786
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: still had his shredded legs, and so when he looked

787
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 2: down he saw his legs and so he felt like, okay, okay,

788
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 2: there's people who are worse than me. But they wound up,

789
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: you know, they removed him sepsis and all this stuff

790
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: set into him. You know, he would definitely going through

791
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: some hard times. But to talk about him quickly here,

792
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: he is a hard charging skier and so he has

793
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: a bucket or a can which he is able to

794
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: get into, which is an adaptive ski monol a mono

795
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: sky right, and he is hard. He has his hes,

796
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: got his arm skis and those are just for balance

797
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: to keep him going, you know, and whatnot. And he's

798
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: just like flying off side hits and now death's not

799
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: even an option. It's like he's like, off you go,

800
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 2: because he has just freed himself from sitting around okay

801
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: and just being wallowing. You can't do that. You got

802
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: to get out of that. And so he got into skiing,

803
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: and then he started working for us, and he was

804
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: just going so hard that he would show me his knee,

805
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: he would pull up his pants say yeah, I'm just

806
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 2: I'm just going on my hands everywhere. You know, I'm

807
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: trying to do everything that I can with both my legs.

808
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: And I was like, and he's like, but I have

809
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: to realize that I don't have both my legs. And

810
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, buddy, you don't let me grab that

811
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: off of the top shelf. Okay, you get down the

812
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 2: lower shelf and get that for me. I'll get this

813
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: for you. Okay, we'll work together, my two foot friend, okay,

814
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 2: because right now. But the thing is he'd run around

815
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 2: our indoor arena in a shoot house where we'd do

816
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: war games. He was awesome. He would just like go

817
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: around on his knuckles, pulls pistol out of a holster

818
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: and shoot you. And when by the time he realized

819
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: who shot you, it was down on the corner at

820
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: the ground level and he was shooting you in the chin,

821
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: and everybody else is like dead center pretty much, and

822
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: he's just like that pap and then he just goes

823
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: around the whole place. So it's yeah, right, So what

824
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: he always says is rad you need to push for

825
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: recreational therapy with your your folks if they're ever wondering

826
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 2: on you know what they can do other than like pills, right,

827
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: So like thrills before pills is soft reps. Big Mantra.

828
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: Brandon Webb, former named Seal Sniper Instructor, et cetera, believes

829
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: in thrills like skiing, going out surfing, you know, breathing

830
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: the water, breathing the air, swimming in the water outside

831
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: before you start getting these pills provided to you because

832
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: it's so easy to just I went.

833
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: From I went from all the soldier ride and then

834
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: I got into endurance racing. So I was doing like

835
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 3: twenty four hour races, one hundred mile races on a

836
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: recumbent s trike. Same thing it was, It was that you.

837
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: It was I think it was the sunlight. It was

838
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 3: the dope, the adrenaline, like all of it. Every bombing

839
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: down a hill and you're hitting fifty miles an hour

840
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: on a on a track. Man, that's you know, that's

841
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 3: feet first, you know it was. It was a tense

842
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 3: well yeah, same thing.

843
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 2: It's like, what could go wrong?

844
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 4: I tell you all the time. I'm invincible, all right, I'm.

845
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 2: Invincible, exactly exactly. And if you could take that start

846
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: tiktoking yourself doing some extreme sports that way, man, get

847
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: you sponsored bat no problem, no problem, you know what

848
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 2: I mean, some stickers on your chair, go man. I

849
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 2: just want I just want our listener to know that

850
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: if they have any injuries and they go to the VA,

851
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 2: that they can ask their I was gonna say, correspondent,

852
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 2: but like your liaison at the VA, your representative of

853
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 2: your advocate for recreational therapy, say hey, what's recreational therapy?

854
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: And what does rad keep telling me to ask them

855
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 2: for recreational therapy? Make them? You know, they only want

856
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 2: to give it to you if you're like severe super severe,

857
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: like if you've had such traumatic you know, lots of

858
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: limbs or you know, they don't take it.

859
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 5: Like you said, in consideration, one of the problem is

860
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 5: that the VA as a whole, each VA system is different,

861
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 5: and how you have to get the equipment.

862
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 4: Some of them. It's simple and easy. Like I've been

863
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: to three different VA systems and I've had three different

864
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 4: experiences trying to get adaptive equipment, you know, So it

865
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 4: is it would be great if they could figure out

866
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 4: a way to make it universal across the whole system,

867
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 4: you know, because it is like I have one doctor

868
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 4: tell me like, well, that's just exercise equipment. The V

869
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 4: doesn't provide exercise equipment. I said, no, it's adaptive equipment.

870
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 4: And you do. I know you do because I've worked

871
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 4: got an equipment from two other VAS, so I know

872
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 4: you do. Let me help you learn how to do this.

873
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: Yes, you know exactly. Let me show you the way exactly,

874
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: because they'll just be like, oh, it's just extra paperwork

875
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 2: I have to do. It's like, look, you're right, Beth

876
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: is right. Okay, listener, She's right. There are things that

877
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: the VA can provide to you. You just have to

878
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: ask for it, and you have to be persistent about

879
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 2: it because it's you you matter. It's yourself. Advocate for yourself.

880
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: And uh, even if you're ten percent or thirty percent,

881
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: you should ask for recreational therapy before they tried giving

882
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: you anything else, and the fact that you have to

883
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 2: be sixty or eighty or one hundred percent to get

884
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: into like adaptive things. I find that just funny that

885
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: the VA is willing to even just like you should

886
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: just say, hey man, everybody raise their hand. Everybody gets

887
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: to come to the VA. They should have the opportunity

888
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: to not take Yeah.

889
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 4: Actually absolutely I agree with one hundred percent.

890
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So if you have to provide me a mountain

891
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 2: bike that's adaptive for me to crank the chaft because

892
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: one arm doesn't work well, then guess what. Okay, if

893
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: we have enough money for the military machine that we

894
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: give as taxpayers for a trillion dollars, they can get

895
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,879
Speaker 2: a recombent bike for bes know problem for.

896
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 3: Mental health reasons too, because that's one thing that they

897
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 3: don't that's you have to have a physical disability or

898
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: a physical issue, which it would be so helpful, you know,

899
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 3: because you know they've done the research, and you know,

900
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: getting thirty minutes of exercise of moderate to real exercise,

901
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: five days a week is the same as taking an antidepressant. Now,

902
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 3: let me say this straight, because this is going out

903
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: there for all the interwebs.

904
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 4: Not everyone is good with just that exercise.

905
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: There are cases that are more severe that need also medication.

906
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: But if you're doing exercise on a routine basis, you're

907
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: going to lower the amount of medication you need.

908
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 4: Right. So I hate when I don't want.

909
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: To just push like exercises the answer, because sometimes some

910
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: people need more and that's okay, and that is okay.

911
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, and Bet, I want to agree with you.

912
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: I want to back you up on that and not

913
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: come out so bold like, oh, you know, recreacial therapies

914
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: to fix all. I agree, there are circumstances, okay. Though

915
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 2: there's a safernard with a with a keg on its

916
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: neck with whiskey, okay, for people in an avalanche. There's

917
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: a reason, there's a there's a rhyme or reason. I

918
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: get it. You know, if you need a little something,

919
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: there it is. But at the end of the day,

920
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 2: but you know, boxing every day, yeah, yes it does.

921
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 2: And if you're you know, fighting fighting the chubby chubbies, you.

922
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: Know, everyone, I don't understand you. You never seem to

923
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: trim down. It's like, well, the more I exercise, the

924
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: more I'm allowed to eat.

925
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, well, were you flexed? I don't know

926
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: if you do. You flexed when you looked at your

927
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: arm up and I was like, okay, A into tattoos

928
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: and b being buff. So when you flex like that,

929
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: I could see your tat right there, and I almost

930
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: want a tat right there now. I almost want this

931
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: interesting ship hunts on the other right for the gun

932
00:43:54,520 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: show show. How do you like me now, coach hunh Yeah,

933
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: I know. I got some rock star friends and we

934
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: go and try to stay friends. Besides rockstar friends, we're

935
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: friends before that. And so we go and have what

936
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: we call like a therapy session once a week. We

937
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 2: go sit around and maybe have a beer and talk

938
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 2: and catch up and then set aside all the rockstar attitudes.

939
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: And they're like rad and all what They're like, when

940
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: you're gonna get a tat bro, And I was like,

941
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: when I want one when I'm ready, And they're like

942
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: they're all coming up with these tattoos that they're all

943
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: going to get, no problem, Like, let's just go do

944
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 2: it right now, Like whatever it is, we'll just get rad.

945
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: The shirt is what they said. I was like, you

946
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 2: know what I said. I'm forty six years old, I'm

947
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: a big boy, and I can make my own choices,

948
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: and someone in the bar down the road is like, yeah,

949
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: he's forty six years old, he can make his own choices.

950
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm just a little kid. I should

951
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: just go get one, but I don't know. My dad

952
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: drove it home to me about tattoos. He was a

953
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: Green Beret. He's like, what if you got captured, if

954
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: you had all these taps and they tried to lay

955
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: it off of you while you were captured. I'm like,

956
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: what do you mean, flay it off me? He's like,

957
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: layer by layer by layer till you tell them who

958
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: you are. And I was like, I have no tattoos.

959
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: You see, no tattoos, farmer tan, Yes, tattoos. I don't have.

960
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: My dad green Beret. He's like, they're gonna flay it

961
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: off you. So maybe a little dad still sits in

962
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: my head. Maybe I should get something flayed. Maybe I

963
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: should get Ramsey from Game of Thrones. Yes, I flay

964
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: you now. Oh stop, Oh my gosh, I'm a vegetarian.

965
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: Funny dude, that is funny. No, No, it's okay, it's okay,

966
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: it's okay. I guess, I guess I'm not really. I

967
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: don't eat mammals. Let me put it that way. I

968
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: eat chicken. I just don't eat the mammals. Anything that's mammal, orca,

969
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: polar bear. I'm just not eating it. Col It's just

970
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: not I'm just not that's me. That's just me. No,

971
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: I don't know that's me. I don't want dolphin. Do

972
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: you want? It's the mammal? Why aren't we eating it?

973
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,479
Speaker 4: I don't know. Probably because it's ill legal.

974
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 2: You're like, this is not the conversation. Rad tattoos, tattoos

975
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: and chinnooks radoos. Okay, I got you.

976
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 4: I want to I want to be a post trying it.

977
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 4: You know, God gave us these animals to eat.

978
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: You know, I've tried it. I've tried it all. I've

979
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: tried it all. I've had it all. I've mean it all.

980
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: I mean it. I've chose. I've chose. Now, going to

981
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: calm it down below. If you got something to say

982
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: to me, though someone listening, it's like Rad, say it

983
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: to me, go ahead, calm it down below. Tell me

984
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: what you think about me not eating meat. Go ahead.

985
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: Sixteen years. Actually, I like to stir a little controversy

986
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: and stir the pot. Here you know what I'm saying.

987
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 2: I haven't smoked in eighteen years, though. Holy cat, let's

988
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: talk about being strong awesome holy kah, yeah yeah, thanks.

989
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 2: Not to boast about it, but if we're talking about

990
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: being mentally tough, kick those right and now today, everybody's

991
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: popping those little package it's in their lift. You know.

992
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: Everybody I see in the military is all got like

993
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: they got like a little Kaydex case for their like chew.

994
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: But it's like these dipping packs that they got on

995
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: their uniforms and whatnot. I don't know if you see it,

996
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 2: but bro, the National Guard is obsessed with Zen. I'll

997
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: tell you what, Hey, Zen, if you're out there and

998
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: you need a sponsor, hit me up. Zen. I should

999
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: just say that, what's up, Zen? How you doing? I'm

1000
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: not sponsored by them? And nicotine is an addictive product.

1001
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: I should Clint disclaim that right there now. Are you

1002
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: going to have any type of like special engagements coming

1003
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 2: up where people can go and see you? Is there

1004
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: gonna be any meet and greets? Are you gonna have

1005
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 2: any type of like a book coming out? I usually

1006
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: go that route. You have a website that you want

1007
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: to talk about real quick, you know, I I.

1008
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 3: Haven't really had any I have had a couple of

1009
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: people ask me about tell me I should write a book,

1010
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 3: should write a book.

1011
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 4: I haven't.

1012
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: I haven't gone that route yet. Yeah, I think I'm

1013
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: playing with the idea of it in my head more

1014
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 3: and more. But really, right now my life is all

1015
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 3: about you know. One word hits me up and says, hey,

1016
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: can you come to this for us? And I'm like,

1017
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: true thing. But outside of that, really it's like I said,

1018
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 3: I'm about to go back to one more year to

1019
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: finish my degree and be certified as a welder, and

1020
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 3: I'm training training for seeded javelin, hoping to make the

1021
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight Paralympic team.

1022
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: You know, So I'm busy.

1023
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: I'm busy, but I haven't really gotten big into the

1024
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: promoting myself. I still I think I have a hard

1025
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: time with it cause I feel like I have a

1026
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: hard time seeing myself as anything really that great.

1027
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 4: You know.

1028
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 3: I feel like I have been given circumstances and which

1029
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: I've had to become great. But I really feel like

1030
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: anyone in my circumstances would have fallen suit Like you

1031
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 3: don't realize what grit you have until you need it.

1032
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: So I just I really I never thought of I

1033
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 3: don't see myself the way everyone else does, you know

1034
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: I am. I am just someone who's gone through some

1035
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: hard times that wants other people to know they can

1036
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: make it too, you know.

1037
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 4: And I didn't do it alone. It's not like I

1038
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 4: got some awesome formula. You know. I utilize the support

1039
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 4: around me. And the only thing I did alone was

1040
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 4: I didn't quit, all right. I chose every day to

1041
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 4: wade out the storm. And you know, some days the

1042
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: storm comes back for a day or two, and some

1043
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 4: days it's like I haven't seen it in months. You know,

1044
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 4: it's it's life is only getting better, and it really

1045
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 4: is only because I stayed around for that to happen.

1046
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, That's exactly right. And just continue to

1047
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: do so, and just continue to be you and just

1048
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: be as humble as you are, and just continue to

1049
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: just live your life and promote the values that you

1050
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: want to see out there that you want to live around.

1051
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: That's it. And you know you can only be the

1052
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 2: best steward of what is in front of you and

1053
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 2: what you have given to you, So you know, continue

1054
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: on with that, appreciate that thank you. Yeah, you're very welcome,

1055
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: and I just want to say that. You know, we've

1056
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: been talking for close to an hour. You're you're awesome.

1057
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: I would love to let you have a platform on

1058
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: soft reap if you ever want to like write something

1059
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 2: or have something to say, we can always talk behind

1060
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: the scenes and email about getting you on and having

1061
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: you say it on soft reap. If there's something with

1062
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: Wounded Warrior you want to say, we would love to

1063
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: let you have some type of a platform if you

1064
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: want to keyboard it up and type something out to

1065
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 2: three five hundred words. That's on the side. There's no

1066
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: no no pressure on that. I'm just saying if you're

1067
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 2: looking for a spot, okay, really truly, Yeah, you're very welcome. Yeah,

1068
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 2: yeah for sure. Now with that said, you can support

1069
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: Wounded Warrior. You can use Beth King as a reference

1070
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 2: if you have to email them, say hey, I heard

1071
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 2: Best talking about Wounded Warrior with rat on soft rep.

1072
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: Can you guys help me? That's all you got to say.

1073
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: And someone's gonna be like, hey, someone just wrote in

1074
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: and said they need help. Oh, let's help them. What

1075
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: do they need help with?

1076
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 4: And let's also throw those out there for the people

1077
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 4: that aren't post nine eleven events, wounded Ware Project is

1078
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 4: limited into who they can throw resources at. But no

1079
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 4: matter what veteran you are, call the resource center because

1080
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 4: they have resources to hand back to you. They will

1081
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 4: tell you where you can go for help. If you're

1082
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 4: not one of the veterans that they can personally help,

1083
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 4: So still reach out.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, And make sure you're asking your

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Speaker 2: VA Veterans Administration Hospital advocate for recreational therapy as an

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Speaker 2: option through your process. Just ask what about recreational See

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Speaker 2: what they say, Oh, you got to be sixty percent?

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Speaker 2: Why just get into it? You know, just say what

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Speaker 2: can I just not? Can I just go down a

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Speaker 2: river on a kayak that's been provided by the VA.

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Speaker 4: Just inspired me to talk to my congressman and see

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Speaker 4: if we can change that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah please?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well you've inspired me, and I know that you're

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Speaker 2: inspiring everyone that's listening. So with that, with these positive words.

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Speaker 2: With Beth King on the show, combat veteran shot down,

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Speaker 2: lived by her monkey tale legit mother of a twenty

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Speaker 2: year old son and a twin to a badass twin

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Speaker 2: sister who's an eer tech married to an awesome military

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Speaker 2: personnel as well, to Caitlin who's brought you full circle

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Speaker 2: to us in our lives. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: being on software today. And to my main man Brandon Webb,

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Speaker 2: who continues to believe in me to host this show

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Speaker 2: the way that it's been going for the last few years.

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Speaker 2: And for you, the viewer and the listener that just

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Speaker 2: constantly tunes in and checks me out, either to check

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Speaker 2: me out what's up or to check me out? So

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Speaker 2: what's up with that? On behalf of Beth Beth King

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Speaker 2: Badass and my self rad and Soft Rep and my

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Speaker 2: main man, Anton, our producer. I'm gonna say peace, you've

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Speaker 2: been listening to Self Rep Radia