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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal ull that.

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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so

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Speaker 2: many players say, well, I want to be happy. You

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Speaker 2: want to be happy for day da State?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Woo whoom? And then and tie.

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Speaker 2: A c cee. Part three ninety straight minutes of Wake

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Speaker 1: That's all this is right, that's all. This is all

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Speaker 1: I was promised. That's all I'm delivering on. Go back

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Speaker 1: and listen to part one, Go back and listen to

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Speaker 1: Part two. Part one was the big overarching stuff, what's new?

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Speaker 1: Broadly speaking? In the conference Part two, we unpacked the

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Speaker 1: Florida State, Clemson Miami dilemma that I think we have

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Speaker 1: on this show, talked about a bunch of other teams

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Speaker 1: as well. We had eight in total today. It is

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Speaker 1: the remainder of the conference nine teams on today's episode.

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Speaker 1: Bear mind the acc expanded. Now there are seventeen teams,

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Speaker 1: which does not fit neatly into any of our boxes here.

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Speaker 1: To be clear, we had to like move things around.

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Speaker 1: There was some horse trading to figure out which teams

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Speaker 1: are going to be on which episode. Alast, we're going

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Speaker 1: to cover the balance of the conference on today's show.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, for the last forty one seconds after you said

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Speaker 2: the word dilemma, I could only think about Kelly Rowland

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Speaker 2: and Nelly and were they texting on what was it

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Speaker 2: was on a palm pilot, yes, but they were texting

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Speaker 2: within like Microsoft Excel.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's right, something like that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was one of the rare times where I

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Speaker 2: could have been the biggest hero ever. I don't want

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Speaker 2: you to insert this in post that as soon as

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Speaker 2: you said dilemma. If I had, oh, I would have

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Speaker 2: been I would have told my grandchildren about that sound drop.

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately I don't just have at the ready.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a shame. We'll try harder the next time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, But welcome back a SA fans and college

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be the recruiting guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the overarching themes and the teams that we talked

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Speaker 2: what I want to talk about with NC State. I

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the danger zone the ACC. I had a

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Speaker 1: slip that in I forgot I'm season fourm yet yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, NC State, which I think when like you

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Speaker 2: You know, they'll have a good running back here, they'll

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Speaker 2: they haven't been a program that has consistently stretched the

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Speaker 2: eight nine games. They've done it primarily with defense and

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Speaker 2: on the offensive line, they're bringing Jordan Waters, a very

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Speaker 1: Fantastic word. Dan.

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Speaker 2: Is that good? Did I use it correctly?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? It's not as good as my vociferous or vehement

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Speaker 2: There's a lot to like about I mean, I think

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot to like about NC State.

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Speaker 2: And defensively, you know they had basically I mean, he

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Speaker 2: Tony Gibson has had a good amount of success for

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Speaker 2: Tennessee clearly has more firepower right now than NC State,

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Speaker 2: but who knows with a new quarterback, They're at Clemson.

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Speaker 2: That's a difficult September to have both of those those

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Speaker 2: with no FSU. I don't believe they have Miami or Louisville.

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Speaker 2: North Carolina, which cannot be discounted, but all things considered,

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Speaker 2: and we talked about this with Corey on our NC

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Speaker 2: State specific episode, the will it ever Happen? Like everything's

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Speaker 2: NC State And that's kind of how I feel, which

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Speaker 2: it's great. Like I am just very high on NC State.

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Speaker 2: That means that they can they can win ten. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean they're warning the conference they can win ten

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Speaker 2: because things look good enough that they can split Clemson

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Speaker 1: I could see two losses. Yeah, I can't see four.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I am heavy on on over eight

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Speaker 1: and a half for NC State.

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Speaker 1: I'll even turn the smoke on in the volcano for

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Speaker 1: that one, Dan, Yeah, smoking behind me. I love the schedule.

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Speaker 1: It's the easiest schedule in the ACC neutral sider against Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: We're doing it. And by the way, that's not even

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Speaker 1: What's interesting about NCI State totally separate from all the

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Speaker 1: That has been the thing. We talked about that with Corey.

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Speaker 1: the whole year without getting hurt.

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00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Colin Lacy, Yeah.

435
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 1: And like I hate to say that because I feel

436
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 1: like a jerk and I don't want to see him

437
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: get hurt. But again, you only get to play seven

438
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: seasons if you're somewhat in group round. Okay, that's just that,

439
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,959
Speaker 1: just the way it works. And look, it might just

440
00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:00,080
Speaker 1: it's almost assuredly just bad luck, bad luck. Yeah, but

441
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: but a lot of bad luck, right enough, bad luck

442
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: where you wonder if it's more than luck. Yeah, And

443
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: so there's that side of it. I don't think that

444
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: the running backs offer as much of a home run

445
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: threat as a guy like a Juwar Jordan.

446
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: Last year, Yeah, Grenda had a huge Holiday Bowl too. Yeah.

447
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 1: You'll recall, like we did a specific Louisville episode where

448
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: we broke down the defense last year or the offense.

449
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 1: Excuse me, and how they were building this and how

450
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: Jack Plumber was having so much success, and a lot

451
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: of it was on the back of really successful play

452
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: action passing. Without those home run threats in the rushing game,

453
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 1: I don't think the play action is going to be

454
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: as successful this year if that is a direction that

455
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: Brom chooses to go. So they're going to need to

456
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: play a little bit differently on offense this year. I

457
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: have confidence that Jeff Brom's going to figure it out.

458
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: There just aren't a whole lot of names on the

459
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: too deep that scare the hell out of me.

460
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: Well, it's also like kind of a full line change

461
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: too via the portal where you're like, oh, well this

462
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 2: guy and Jeff Bram this is what they did last year, Like, well,

463
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of that.

464
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: So like the caveat is, you could say, well, was

465
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: it the same thing true last year? Sure, touche, it

466
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 1: was absolutely And if I'm sitting here December fifth, red

467
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: faced because I was dead wrong about Louisville, who just

468
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: played for and maybe won or came close to a

469
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: conference championship, then I'm willing to take that lump.

470
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 2: But this just.

471
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: Feels different to me this season, So I'm selling Louisville.

472
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 1: I think a good season. You know, I'm not saying

473
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: they're bottom and out or anything like that. I still

474
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: believe in Jeff Bram and the momentum he is building

475
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: at Louisville. He has proven I think, very very adept

476
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: at going out and getting guys in the portal that

477
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: can come in and help write what we did last year.

478
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: It was a masterful job. He's a good coach. I

479
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: like this program again, It's just this is a different

480
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: equation for me this year. Going to sell Lillieville.

481
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and quality wins last year in the middle part

482
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: of that schedule before they seem to run out of

483
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 2: gas against Florida State and Kentucky and I guess USC Yeah.

484
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 2: I just don't know how replicable it is year over

485
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: year over year. I think their backup quarterback is Pierce Clarkson,

486
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: son of quarterback guru Steve Clarkson from out West. I

487
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 2: just have to you have to note that when Tyler

488
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: Schuck is your starter, who the backup is. There's a

489
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: lot of reasons to like Louisville. I just I'm sort

490
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: of curious about the line change element of this all

491
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: that you're putting it together a brand new team year

492
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 2: over year. What does that do to rhythm in year

493
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 2: two when it's not year two For a lot of

494
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: these guys, it's a year one Louisville team with Jeff Brohm,

495
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: and so he's more comfortable there, he has a better sense.

496
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: He and the staff have worked together for a year.

497
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: So it is year two in some regards, But I

498
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: don't know. I think that the acc the quality quotion

499
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 2: is pretty high that I think it's gonna be tough

500
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: for in year two. And so yeah, I have them

501
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 2: seven eight wins somewhere in there, but not the most dangerous.

502
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: Plus, Dan, you don't always hit on these portal guys. No,

503
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: just because their names that we know does not mean

504
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: that they're gonna make anything better or fit. It is

505
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: about fit. I like Brahm, but I don't know. I'm

506
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: with you. It's just too much is new, too much

507
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: is new. There's not enough for me to grasp onto

508
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: Sam Mistrue. Last year, I get it, Ye just feels

509
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: like a different, different situation. This year is the best.

510
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 2: Tyler Schuck recruited at Oregon by both Mark Helfrich and

511
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 2: Willie Taggers. It's been a minute.

512
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: I want him to stay healthy too.

513
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be a great story close out big.

514
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: It really would. And was it Andy Staples who put

515
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: we put something in take a toe of for Andy?

516
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: Oh? What he's like this year? Is Michael Pennox?

517
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: Is that this year's Michael Pennis could be Tyler Shuck? Okay,

518
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I'm not rooting against it fair enough.

519
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: Next team Virginia Tech, Dan, hmmm, Virginia Tech. So you

520
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: put Virginia Tech I think a little bit higher in

521
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: your tiers than I initially did, And we kind of

522
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: negotiated and came to came to a place where we

523
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: both felt comfortable labeling them as like an outsider ish

524
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: but still maybe a contender. My question that I asked

525
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: in part one, and that I'll pose again to you now,

526
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: is do we like Virginia Tech more because of the

527
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: progress we saw in the team they have coming back,

528
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: or because the schedule is very, very favorable.

529
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 2: You know. One of the things that has occurred to

530
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: me is for so many of these teams we're saying

531
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: the schedule is favorable, that we're just going to be

532
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: wrong about like two or three of these team schedules

533
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: and that's okay, yeah that we immediately evaluate them as

534
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: easy and they're like, well, it turns out not so easy.

535
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: What do I like about Virginia Tech. I like that

536
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech is one of like five teams who has

537
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: I think pretty great reason to be optimistic about where

538
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: their quarterback situation is headed. Because of Kyroen Drone's second

539
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: half of the season last year. He wasn't always like

540
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: the most developed thrower down field, but given his athleticism,

541
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: given the winning football Virginia Tech played behind him, and

542
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,239
Speaker 2: I would argue the pass rush specifically on defense, they

543
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: bring back a ton on defense. I like the weapons,

544
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: especially as the weapons. I think it's Ali Jennings who

545
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: should be healthy this year in the receiving corps alongside

546
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: Takwan Felton. Like they're in a good spot there. To me,

547
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: right now, it's a question of depth, it's a question

548
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: of winning close. It's a question of not feeling the

549
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: off season lag and how they deal with off season

550
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: expectations given how they finished last year. But I don't know, man,

551
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: there's a lot to like about Virginia Tech right now.

552
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: So they do the sort of flip flop thing after

553
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: the bye week. Last year they beat Syracuse, Boston College,

554
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: and Virginia, which whatever, But you know, a Bowl went

555
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 2: over tou Lane isn't nothing, even given I don't think

556
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: Michael Pratt played in that game. They won more games

557
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: they've been supposed to win. That's barely English tie. They

558
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: won more games they were supposed to win, which is

559
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: the step in the right direction schedule wise. This year,

560
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: you mentioned that it appears to be in a good place.

561
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: I will mention they lose to Marshall and Rutgers last

562
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: year early. There's recent history of September looking like a

563
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: landmine to Brent Pry and Kyroen Drones. I'm not fully

564
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: gonna write off Vanderbilt, especially because it's kind of a

565
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: pretty new look Vanderbilt in both good and not so

566
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: good ways. But it's Diego, Pavia and Jerry Kill and

567
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: it's at Vanderbilt just because they have that history of

568
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: losing two teams they should be beating otherwise. They do

569
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: have the mileage plus double dip at Miami at Stanford,

570
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: but I have down here Georgia Tech at Syracuse and

571
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: Clemson in consecutive weeks is a it's a nice late

572
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: proof of concept. If there's something like six and one

573
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: going into that stretch that like, if Virginia Tech is

574
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: legit contending, maybe not a favorite, but if they're just

575
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: like in that conversation, then that's an interesting stretch that

576
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: I think could speak volumes about what Brent Pribe has

577
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: done and where that program is heading.

578
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: Would you say that we're drones? What's the what's the

579
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: moniker we want to go with here? Because we're both

580
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: pretty high in Kiren drones, we need we need something

581
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: that's easy, that rolls off the tongue. Maybe that we

582
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: could put on a shirt if it gets to that,

583
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: but something that the verballerhood can sink its teeth into.

584
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: I mean, we could just do something with the word drone.

585
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: That's an actual word, flying the drone, flying the drones,

586
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: the drone zone. Drone zone's not bad. I think we're

587
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: in the drone zone.

588
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a cone zone back in the day

589
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: where Jack Cohne was, you know, doing his thing at

590
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: Wisconsonant Notre Dame, So it'd be nice to be nice

591
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: to pull that back out.

592
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: Did you also have kyen rhymes with siren?

593
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: Something there a kiren siren isn't bad for a Saturday

594
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: night live show.

595
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: That's true. I mean that's the sound effect that we

596
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: can pull. That's no problem.

597
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: All right, I'm jotting these down. I actually have a

598
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: notepad with me now. It's like in jot downer stupidity. Yeah,

599
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm growing as a person.

600
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: Just hitting staples for your legal pats. It's great.

601
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: Eight wins is the over under for Virginia Tech. I

602
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: like the schedule, I like the team. I'm I don't

603
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: really have much more to add. I'm I am ready

604
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: to ring the kiren siren. I am ready to fly

605
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: the drone's let's do this, Virginia Tech. This is I

606
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: don't know if this is the year in the same

607
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: way that we said it is for NC State, but

608
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 1: it is certainly another chance for Brent Prye in this

609
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: program to take a step forward.

610
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, the big thing. And I really watched the NC

611
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: State Virginia Tech game because I was going back and

612
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: looking at some back half games last year and man,

613
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: he was drones was just under fire. This was not

614
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: a line that was consistently protecting him at all, and

615
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: so that to me is the big thing. It's either

616
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: they protect him or they figure out ways to get

617
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: the ball out of his hands quickly and creatively. Otherwise,

618
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to be standing by midyear. Like,

619
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: I think there's considerable amount of worry on my end

620
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 2: that this is not an offensive line that fits in

621
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: with the rest of the optimism surrounding this program.

622
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: Another team that I think we're in relative agreement on

623
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: is Georgia Tech. I think so we've enjoyed covering this

624
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech team, and especially since Brent Key took over.

625
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: Do we just double Brent right now?

626
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: I think we're doing a ride of Key all right, Yeah,

627
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: I like that the way he took over that program.

628
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: They played hard for him. We've seen strides in some

629
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: areas not in others. So seven and six a year ago,

630
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: they went to the Gas Bowl, they beat UCF. I

631
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: just I feel like every year we have to qualify

632
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: all the nice things we want to say about Georgia

633
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: Tech by also saying, but the schedule's brutal, right, right,

634
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: like every year the schedules murder.

635
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough. Well, I mean, look, you always have

636
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: to include the Georgia calculation Georgia County.

637
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so brutal. You're right, it's but like, listen to this.

638
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: So they open the year in Ireland against Florida State.

639
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: Then they're on the road at Louisville their last game

640
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: of September. Tough September.

641
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen to.

642
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: Their last five games, Dan, listen. I'm ready Notre Dame

643
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: in Mercedes Benz Stadium quote unquote, neutral site at Virginia

644
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: Tech home against Miami home against NC State, on the

645
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: road against Georgia a few bie weeks fixed in there.

646
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: But does that matter to you? Like brutal, brutal? What

647
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: are you supposed to do against that?

648
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: Maybe Georgia Tech is the one who knocks. Maybe they're

649
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: the ones who should be feared. Think about it like

650
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: that tie.

651
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: So they're dangerous because they can score. Yes, this offense

652
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: should be it should be pretty good.

653
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: Buster Faulkner, Is that the name of their I just

654
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: make that up. That's the coordinator from Georgia.

655
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: I believe you're right about that. Yes, yeah, I think

656
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: their offense will be pretty good. I think it's going

657
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: to be one of the best in the conference. Not

658
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: the best, but one of the four or five best. Okay,

659
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: Haines King one of our favorites here. He's back at quarterback.

660
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: He can run, he can throw, can also throw interceptions,

661
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: which is not good. Definitely a concern. But in total,

662
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: eight starters back, including four guys from a line that

663
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: I think improved last season. Not out of the question

664
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: that they as I said earlier on Our I Guess

665
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: our last episode, not out of the question that August

666
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: the twenty fifth, whenever it is, we're talking about Georgia

667
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: Tech knocking off Florida State in Ireland because of the offense.

668
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: Because of the.

669
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: Offense, it's a great time to get them, great time.

670
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: The best time has.

671
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: DJ you ever won a game on European soil, Not

672
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: that my research has turned up zero wins.

673
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: They will catch somebody this year. At a minimum, they're

674
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: going to put the fear of God into a handful

675
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: of better teams quote unquote better teams on the schedule

676
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: because the offense is high powered, because the offense can score.

677
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: By way Jamal Haynes really fun double Haynes' backfield.

678
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: Absolutely. The counter to that is the defense. Okay, why

679
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: are they dangerous? Why are they in danger? To continue

680
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: the theme here, they're in danger because the defense was

681
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: really bad last year. So what a brankkey do. He

682
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: goes out, he hires Tyler Santucci, who did a really

683
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: good job with Duke last year, and they're hopeful that

684
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: he can lead something of a turnaround effort. Tech is

685
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: down a bunch of guys. Two guys on the d

686
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: line are gone, three of five guys in the linebacking

687
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: corps are gone, five of ten defensive backs are are gone.

688
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like starting anew in a sense.

689
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: But Tyler Sanducci, like in the time that he was

690
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: at Duke and other places before that, he has been

691
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: good about leading a turnaround effort in a very short

692
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: period of time. That is what they're hopeful for this. Yeah,

693
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: here's what I would say about Georgia Tech. All right, Okay,

694
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: it's very obvious pros, some very obvious cons. A bit

695
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: of a half team if I'm being honest here. But

696
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: we have a lot of people that listen to this

697
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: show who don't have a team, they don't have a

698
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: favorite team. They like college football, they like the soothing

699
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: tones of my voice.

700
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: Of course, they don't like you.

701
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: Nobody likes you. No I like you, But nobody else

702
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: likes you. Okay, let's be wow man. Okay, just being

703
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: straight with you, man, this is what we do here.

704
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. You know that your mom likes me. My

705
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: mom likes you more than she likes me.

706
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: That's okay.

707
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech is a great candidate to be your team

708
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: if you fall into that category. They're a great candidate

709
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: for that because you get to see him play a

710
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: bunch of good teams. They're gonna put up points, have

711
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: a fun offense at the fun quarterback, the double Haynes backfield,

712
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: Haines your way.

713
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: Do you have any fun facts about Bobby Dodd.

714
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: There is a hidden grand stand underneath the west side

715
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: of the stadium.

716
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: There's a hidden like bleachers bleachers.

717
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's the oldest stadium in major college football, and

718
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: as they expanded the stadium over the years, they did

719
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: not knock down the old west grandstand, and so they

720
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: just built over it. You can't get down there if

721
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: you're a spectator. But people who like run things, I

722
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: think they use it for storage. It's still down there,

723
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: you can see it. I made a video of this

724
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. They use it for storage.

725
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: You can still see the Old West Grandstand. It's just

726
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: concealed beneath existing Bobby Dodd Stadium. Right, they're just I

727
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: think they're going to catch somebody. I think that makes

728
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: them fun to watch. May be annoying if you're a

729
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: tech fan, an actual tech fan to watch the defense,

730
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: and I think they'll still be struggles, but uh, they'll

731
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 1: be fun.

732
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 2: So if you're if they've been a little bit like

733
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: they're not still rebuilding post option, but there is that

734
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: vibe that they're still working their way back, like it's

735
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: a remodel that's been taken. They keep finding termites, you know,

736
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: there's structural issues. The basement keeps flooding because there's a

737
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: weird drainage thing. Like, they keep finding issues. But the

738
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: houses looking nicer and nicer. Tie the house is coming together.

739
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: I have a friend who's been working on a basement

740
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: project for five years.

741
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: What is he or she been doing down there?

742
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: I have no idea.

743
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: You know what that means, well, dungeon obvious, dungeon obvious dune. Yeah,

744
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: he's been.

745
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: Working on this basement project for five years. It's still

746
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: never done. Every time we go over there, it seems

747
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: like he's made a little bit of progress, but it's

748
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: the longest basement remodel ever.

749
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: Has he ever asked you to sit in a swing

750
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: because he's doing some like weight load management type stuff? Okay, nothing,

751
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: nothing like that.

752
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: Yeah no, So that's all I have to say about Tech.

753
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, they will be fun. If

754
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: you're looking for a team, they're a great candidate, but

755
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: don't expect much defense. Hopefully the Tyler Santucci thing works,

756
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: and hopefully Haines King stays fun and healthy and they

757
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: continue scoring points that'll make the season interesting. If nothing more.

758
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: Agree, I mean, you know, I love you.

759
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: I felt bad about that.

760
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: Oh man, like you. I have to do the rest

761
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: of the ACC preview with this hanging over my head.

762
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: You expect me to talk about Virginia football. At this point, We've.

763
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: Got Virginia, Duke Wake and Boston College left. So right,

764
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: two for me, two for you. You want to go

765
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: to Virginia next, let's do it. You like Virginia more

766
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: than I do. I do three to nine a year ago.

767
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: My questions are is it going to be Calandria or

768
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: Musket at quarterback? And will the line improve slash, will

769
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: any of the defense improve?

770
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: I still I don't. Tony Muskin, I think had a

771
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: good spring game, so I guess the job is open.

772
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: I liked receiver development last year with Malik Washington, and

773
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: now they get your guy, right, Chris Tyree stepping in.

774
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: You always had a soft spot for Chris Tyree. The

775
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 2: best of Chris Tyree I did will like get open

776
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: deep and have a seventy three yard touchdown and do

777
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: nothing else. Right, that's the sort of like experience, and

778
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: that's that's too bad.

779
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: I hope it works out. From a Virginia he's from Virginia, right,

780
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: he's from Virginia. Yeah, he's from Virginia. I when Chris

781
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: Tyree was recruited at Notre Dame, I was convinced that

782
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: he was going to be like the next Reggie Bush. Right,

783
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: that was my thought, and it just it didn't really

784
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: work out. But he's bounced around now from different positions.

785
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: He's still playing with Virginia, transferred out there for his

786
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: final season, So I'm I'm curious to see him, if

787
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: nothing more now that he's a full time wide out.

788
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: Right, So Virginia last year the reason why I'm somewhat

789
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: high on Virginia. I think they have a ways to go,

790
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: but defensively, I think they've had moments like quarters, have

791
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: you know, a game here or there. Even though the

792
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: numbers are bad, even though the performances are disappointing, I

793
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: think they bring back enough. They fought. They lost a

794
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: bunch of close games, one score games they were I mean,

795
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: then they fought and played a bunch of like decent

796
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: to good programs pretty close. Like I think it's an

797
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: overtime loss to Miami. They have that nice they hold on.

798
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: They probably shouldn't have beaten North Carolina, but they do

799
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: beat North Carolina. They lose close to NC State in

800
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: Boston College, they lose to James Madison, which is a

801
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: good James Madison team got Kurt Signetti a news job.

802
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: But I don't know, even late in the season beating

803
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: Duke right there with Louisville on the road, like there

804
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: is something to me about the competitive nature of the

805
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: Who's right now with Tony Tony Elliott, Like you know,

806
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: if it's Anthony Calandria, Tony Calandra or whatever, Like he

807
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: was a wild card, he's young, he threw a bunch

808
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: of picks. I think that can be improved upon. I

809
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: think you can speed goes a long way for me

810
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: that you can cover up some deficiencies if you can

811
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: creatively get that the speed and space kind of thing.

812
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: And I think there's potential, like I don't know in

813
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: that front seven, especially on defense, like second third team

814
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 2: all acc type guys, Like I don't think it's full

815
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: on star power, but I think guys can emerge there.

816
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: And so to me, it's any sort of pass rush.

817
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: May have had the worst pass rush in America, so

818
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 2: start there right. If it goes from god awful to

819
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: just bad or pretty bad, that's a big improvement. Like

820
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: there's definite room to grow schedules such as I pull

821
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: it up in front of me and pull up my

822
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: notes in front of me. Virginia does have Maryland early,

823
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: which we'll see. That's a team making a bunch of

824
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: new you know, starting a bunch of new dudes. And

825
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: as you continue to point out to me, you're always

826
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: looking for an ample bottom half, and that's what Virginia

827
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: has right here. Virginia consecutively Louisville at Clemson, North Carolina

828
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: at pitt at Notre Dame, SMU at Virginia Tech. In

829
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: the rivalry ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch. I don't know.

830
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: I think Virginia is that program that a lot of

831
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: people are overlooking, probably including me, all off season long,

832
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 2: but appear in the right place at the right time

833
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: for them on their schedule that we're going to look

834
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: up and they've you know, they're going to be like

835
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 2: that Boston College type five and seven, six and six

836
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 2: and quietly making progress. So that's how I feel about Virginia.

837
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: If they throw fewer turn throw fewer interceptions, and get

838
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: after the quarterback a little bit more, I think they

839
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: could flirt with five hundredition a bowl.

840
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: They were in seven to one score games last year. Yeah,

841
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of those stats that I

842
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: tend to look at, especially when you're talking about a

843
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: three to nine team like Virginia was last year. Are

844
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: they giving up? Are they playing hard?

845
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 2: Agree?

846
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: We came on the air how many times last year

847
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: on Saturday nights when we did our live thing talking

848
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: about how Virginia played somebody tight, how Virginia was a

849
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: tough out, And I think that more than anything, right,

850
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: it's sort of the opposite of your point about SMU

851
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: and how they did against some of the better teams

852
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: on their schedule Virginia against a lot of good teams

853
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: that they played last year, played them pretty tight, they

854
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: were in those games, and so it'll be interesting to see. Now.

855
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: Everything you said about the defense line and the pass rush,

856
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: and of course just the defense more broadly, all that

857
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: stuff's very accurate. But I'm curious to see, with the

858
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: fight that they showed a year ago, if they're able

859
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: to build on that at all and maybe take some

860
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: of these teams out. They're over under his four and

861
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: a half, So Vegas is expecting at least a little

862
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: bit of an improvement on the win loss side of things,

863
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: albeit not much.

864
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look at Malachi Fields and Chris Tyree, I think

865
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 2: are a nice one two at receiver, and I don't know,

866
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: I just feel like when a defense is so catast

867
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 2: trophically bad that just a little bit of time they

868
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: return a bunch and get healthier. I just think there's

869
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: opportunity for my always promising improvement to bad.

870
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. Another team with the four and a half

871
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: over under is Wake Forest.

872
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

873
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: Wake was four and eight a year ago in the

874
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: wake of Sam Hartman leaving, going to Notre Dame this

875
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: year sixth in returning production, but an open question to

876
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: me whether that means they'll actually be better, Like that

877
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: doesn't always mean you're going to improve just because you're

878
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: bringing back a lot. They are bringing in Hank Bachmeyer,

879
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: who's still playing quarterback they are last year. He was

880
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: at Louisiana Tech the year before that at Boise. I

881
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: think he's better than what they had. As I said,

882
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: you know one of the last two episodes, like I

883
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: was never a huge Mitch Griffiths guy. They need to

884
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: find some way to get more pop out of that

885
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: passing game and be better in the red zone because

886
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: last year was just a free fall compared to previous

887
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: teams that they had. I looked for a while at

888
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: this over Under because I can count three easy wins

889
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: on this schedule. I couldn't find two others that I

890
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: felt great about. So in terms of the over Under

891
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: anyway four and a half, I'm staying away from wake Forest.

892
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: But what is kind of like the broad the broad

893
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: theme of this program right now? What is the trajectory

894
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: of things under Dave Clawson.

895
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: So technically speaking, they were another one of those programs that,

896
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: even though they were clearly worse than basically everybody, they

897
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: played last year. They lose to Clemson by five, they

898
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: lose to Syracuse on the road by four, they lose

899
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: to Duke by three, Like they're not fully out of

900
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 2: all of these games. My general view on Dave Clawson

901
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 2: is if he has a serviceable quarterback and a threat

902
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: or two not even a star, but a threat or

903
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: to a receiver, gives me a pain in the act. Yes,

904
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 2: and I think Hank Bachmeier is serviceable enough that he's

905
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: played enough snaps at what was Louisiana Tack and Boise State. Yeah,

906
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: that like he will be a jump from where they

907
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: were last year, and I think that's significant. I don't

908
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: know if the went four or five six games or

909
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: something like that, but in terms of giving an acc

910
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 2: coach the benefit of the doubt to get more out

911
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: of less, I think Dave Clawson's absolutely in that conversation.

912
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: I think there's every reason to believe that they can

913
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: squeeze every point out of this offense because they will

914
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 2: be overlooked because of the teams that we have talked

915
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: about being high on the fact that we do say

916
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: a team's schedule is great because they only play Wake

917
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: Forest and then they lose to Wake Forest or Wake

918
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: Forest drops fifty on them like they did with Clemson

919
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: a few years ago. Like this team isn't terribly removed

920
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: from success. I think it was twenty twenty one was

921
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: their big year with Clawson. So I'm willing to believe

922
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: that Wake Forest at the end, when all is said

923
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 2: and done, is like a five to six win team.

924
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: But I'm with you that I just don't I don't

925
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 2: see it on my legal pad. Yeah, yeah, that I'm

926
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: positive they're going to win. What did you say? It

927
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 2: was five and a half, four and a half, four

928
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: and a half. Yeah, because of their early schedule, there

929
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: are wins there. I don't know, man, this is exactly

930
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: like I don't have good reason to love Wake Forest

931
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: beyond liking the names of Hank Bachmeyer's brother and actually

932
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: two brothers. It's Tiger and Bear. I believe Tiger Bear.

933
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: And there's also a Buck in there.

934
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: Don't forget there's a Buck Bachmeyer. Yeah, that's very that's

935
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: gonna be very difficult for me in my elder age.

936
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just I refuse to bury Wake Forest,

937
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: is what I'm saying. I just refuse to do it

938
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: because there is that competitive spirit there and them going

939
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: five and seven is not outlandish to me.

940
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: Final two teams Dan okay, at long last we get

941
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: to talk about Boston College.

942
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: That's another team. We're probably discounting that when we say

943
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: a team schedule is easy, you're not.

944
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: I'm not discounting them. I'm not at all. So they

945
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: were over unders five, they were seven and six last year.

946
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: They beat SMU as you like to point out the

947
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: Sobbie Ball. But the big story was that Jeff Haffley

948
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: walked away sort of randomly to become the defensive coordinator

949
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: for the Green Bay Packers. One of those moves that

950
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: everybody projected kind of their thoughts on the state of

951
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: college football onto it. You know, like, all this is

952
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: where is college football as a sport? If head coaches

953
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: are leaving.

954
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 2: It's a good job green Bay Packers defensive coordinat.

955
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: I thought, so I don't blame them. You can make

956
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: the case now that they upgraded. I don't know if

957
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm making that case, but you could make the case

958
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: that getting Bill O'Brien at Boston College as an upgrade.

959
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: Bill Brian certainly is more head coaching experience. He's certainly

960
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: at our Accolades, a native son of Boston. He's a

961
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: noted quarterback whisperer, questionable NFLGM.

962
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: No, not questionable, bad bad Yeah, sure, as I can tell. Yeah,

963
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: not a.

964
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: Good GM, not great at fantasy football, but in terms

965
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: of actually coaching, pretty good. And he's the guy now.

966
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: He was gonna be the guy at Ohio State as

967
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator, but then ended up reversing course after

968
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: this job became available. It could be closer to home

969
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: and all that. So YadA, YadA, YadA, it's Bill O'Brien,

970
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: Bob running the show at BC this year. I have

971
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: slowly been talking myself into Boston College, and not as

972
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: like an ACC contender or anything like that, but as

973
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: a team that other people are discounting that I think

974
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: might be better this year, in a transition year than

975
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,760
Speaker 1: many are giving them credit for. And it starts mainly

976
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: because of Thomas Casianos, their quarterback. He took over that

977
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 1: job just a couple possessions literal possessions into the Boston

978
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: College season last year, and he ended up as their

979
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: leading rusher with over twelve hundred yards and thirteen touchdowns.

980
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: Needs to be more careful as a passer. He had

981
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 1: fourteen interceptions, which isn't great. Speaking of being more careful,

982
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: Thomas Castillanos is very much not six or five as

983
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: I mentioned in part one. Rather he's five ten. Thank

984
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: you to everyone out there who pointed out my goof

985
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: It felt wrong as I said it, but I put

986
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: my trust in the so called most accurate magazine over

987
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: the last twenty nine years, which happens to the best

988
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 1: of us Dan just the way it is. Yeah, anyway,

989
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: Castianos is young, but very clearly a building block that

990
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: presumably Bill O'Brien can step in and mold in a

991
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: very meaningful way. They also went out and they got

992
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: treshad Ward, the running back formerly of Kansas State of

993
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: Florida State. I think thee in okay shape. I think

994
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: the receiver room is okay. Bob did a good job

995
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: in the portal. They really did, and they are dangerous,

996
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: if only because of Thomas Castillano's I think he's a

997
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: good player, and I think he will benefit from O'Brien

998
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: being in town.

999
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: Well, it's what what do you think bell O'Brien will

1000
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 2: do to him? Though? That's remember he sort of famously

1001
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: said Jalen Milroe is not a quarterback. Now he's got

1002
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 2: this guy who arguably is best with his feet.

1003
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he is the best available option at

1004
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: Boston College by a long shot. And it was clear

1005
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: that Jeff Hafley had the vision to turn the reins

1006
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: over to him very quickly, and so O'Brien took this

1007
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: job knowing that he was the guy. They're not dangerous

1008
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: because of the defense, Like, no, you know where this

1009
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: is going, Like they're they're switching schemes again, even though

1010
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 1: there's a lot back. They got eight starters back. I'm

1011
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: not sure that's a good thing because this line was

1012
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: really bad last year, didn't generate any pre sure. So

1013
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: now they're bringing in Tim Lewis, NFL guy. If you've

1014
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: followed the NFL, you've kind of been aware of Tim

1015
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: Lewis for a while. But he's coming in. He's switching

1016
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: the scheme. I think he wants to run more of

1017
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: a three to four, but there's going to be hybrid

1018
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: looks and that type of thing going on up front.

1019
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: So the defensive side of this is certainly more of

1020
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: a mess. On offense, where I think they've got things

1021
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: a little bit more in hand. But I would say

1022
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: this from a scheduling standpoint, September October are really tough.

1023
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: They opened the year at Florida State. Two weeks later

1024
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: they're at Missoo. They come back home. They played Michigan State.

1025
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: After that. They've got Western Kentucky, which say what you want.

1026
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: We talked about them on our conference to USA preview.

1027
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: They can score points. They've also got a road game

1028
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: at Virginia Tech a home game against Louisville, all before

1029
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: the end of October. There's not much of a ramp

1030
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: up period for Bob here to get this program organized. Again.

1031
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: Still dangerous because of castianos, but the defense is a question.

1032
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: How he utilizes the offensive pieces is I think it

1033
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: open question kind of to your point. So I like

1034
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: Boston College. I'm not sure i'd go over five, but

1035
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: I just think they will be plucky, they will be interesting,

1036
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: They will take someone to the gun, and because they've

1037
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: got a quarterback who's a dynamic duel threat player, that

1038
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: makes them, if nothing more, very watchable and interesting. Against

1039
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: the schedule.

1040
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 2: The good thing is also I think it was February first,

1041
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: is what I just saw when Jeff Hafley left. Yes,

1042
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: so really it's a year zero situation. You mentioned Bill

1043
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: O'Brien accepting the Ohio State offensive coordinator job before. Of

1044
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: course Chip Kelly takes the state offensive coordinator job, leaving

1045
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: his own head coaching job, so didn't have the standard

1046
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: portal window to sort of evaluate things didn't happen. You know,

1047
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 2: it's not like Jeff Hafley was fired before the bowl

1048
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: game and Bill O'Brien gets in there to scramble and

1049
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: see who he can build relationships with in the portal

1050
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: and build a staff out, So they're super late in

1051
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: the process. And defensively, you're absolutely right right that, like

1052
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 2: any improvement is going to be seen as such a

1053
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 2: hugely positive thing. I looked at the numbers, and I'm

1054
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 2: not a person who likes to point out specific numbers

1055
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 2: on the show because I just don't. I think it's

1056
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: lost saying it out loud in an audio medium. But

1057
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 2: points per scoring opportunity, they gave up five point two

1058
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 2: points two teams as soon as a team got inside

1059
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 2: the forty five point two was the worst in college football.

1060
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: And Jeff Hafley's going to be DC it Green Badgers. Yeah,

1061
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: well he's not assembling that roster now. The red zone

1062
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: touchdown rate. Do you get inside the twenty teams were

1063
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 2: scoring touchdowns eighty one percent of the time. Teams with

1064
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 2: goal to go first and goal second, goal, et cetera. Right,

1065
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 2: so inside the ten ninety six percent of the time

1066
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 2: scored a touchdown. It was automatic against this Boston College team.

1067
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 2: So if Tim Lewis and this staff can figure out

1068
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: ways to just force a field goal here and there,

1069
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: to just force a punt here and there, to just

1070
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: get off the field, their legends, their icons, they should

1071
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: get statues and Chestnut Hill.

1072
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: Okay final team Dan Yeah, Duke Blue Devils. Yeah, you're

1073
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: not high on Duke. I'm not high on Duke at all.

1074
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: Okay eight and five quarterback.

1075
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 1: Eight and five. A year ago they won the Birmingham

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00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: Bull against Troy over unders five and a half. New coach,

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00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 1: Mike Elko leaves four A and M. The new coach

1078
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: is an old ACC coach, Manny Diaz, back in the ACC.

1079
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Speaker 1: I'm glad Manny Diaz is getting another bite at the

1080
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: apple because I think he got a raw deal at

1081
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: Miami when he forced him out. So I think this

1082
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: is a full rebuild at Duke. I think it's a

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00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 1: full rebuild on offense and defense. They're heavy losses across

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00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: the board. It's going to take a minute to get

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00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: this program to a better place. That is why I

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00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: don't like Duke. Well, I think Duke is interesting. Is

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00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. The first he hired Jonathan Brewer

1088
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: from SMU, formerly an offensive analyst under HTT Lashley. He

1089
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: wants Duke to run a version of that SMU passing offense,

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00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: which is interesting now. I'll be honest. When I read

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Speaker 1: that they were going to do this, my first thought

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00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: was that's not gonna work right, Not with a talent

1093
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: on HND, not with the line which is rebooting. I

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00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: love Malik Murphy, the transfer from Texas, A monster of

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00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: a man. I'm like three good games from putting the

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00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: Malik Murphy fat head down here. I really like him, Okay,

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00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: I do. I just don't think he's accurate enough as

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00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: a passer to run some sort of wide open passing.

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00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: He seemed raw at times last year for Texas when

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00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: he was pressed into duty.

1101
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: Ary like a specimen. He makes them interesting if nothing more.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if running the SMU passing offense

1103
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: with Malik Murphy is a good fit Okay, maybe I'm wrong.

1104
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: In all likelihood, you're going to see a lot of

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00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: scrambling this year because of that line, and I think

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00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: that's what will We'll make him an interesting watch, but

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00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: certainly not the roster in its current state. There's just

1108
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: too many holes. I think Manny Diaz is a good coach,

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00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: I always have. I stand by that. I'm glad again

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00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: that he is back in the ACC but it's going

1111
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: to take a minute before Duke is anything formidable. The

1112
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: schedule starts off pretty workable. It gets really hard. There's

1113
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: a five wetch a five wetch five week stretch excuse me,

1114
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:38,479
Speaker 1: starting in mid October that goes home against FSU, home

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00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: against SMU at Miami, at NC State a bye, and

1116
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: then home against Virginia Tech.

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00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: Seems tricky. I would go under. If I were betting

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00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: on the more takes, why.

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00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: And birth, I would go under. There's not a lot

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Speaker 1: here that I feel good about other than Manny Diaz situationally,

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00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: directionally in charge of a program, other than the Lak

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00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: Murphy as an incredible athletic athletic specimen. Yeah, but Duke's

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00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: not getting to a bowl. Not with the schedule.

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00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: I'd go in you know where that the bowl is

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00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: going through though, right the lacrosse field on the water

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Speaker 2: at Northwestern. Let's go. Duke was here last year. I

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00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: want to say, I think they're so two straight years

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Speaker 2: to Evanston. Yeah, Duke is playing on the temp bleachered

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00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 2: field on Lake Michigan this year.

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Speaker 1: It's all I got.

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Speaker 2: You want to come up here and go watch Duke?

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00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: Come a lake? I do want to come out an

1133
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: ideas on the lake.

1134
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Speaker 1: We have to watch a Northwestern game on the lake.

1135
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: I have to probably hook it up.

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00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: We have to do that. Yeah, what's the ticket situation?

1137
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: Is that going to be tough?

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00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: I mean it's like fifteen k and it's like I think,

1139
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: mostly just behind the end zones orhere the bleachers are.

1140
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 2: It's the same firm I think it was. I want

1141
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 2: to give credit where its due. I think it was.

1142
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: Adam Rittenberg at ESPN wrote a feature about it. It's

1143
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 2: the same firm that the uh It's it called the

1144
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: Waste Management Open the Crazy sixteenth Hole. Yeah, that builds

1145
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: that temporary mini stadium every year? Did the Northwestern one? Son?

1146
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Speaker 2: Duke is there?

1147
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: Have you been there lately too? No?

1148
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: I need to do my part too, because the bleachers

1149
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: are up. I believe.

1150
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I saw that.

1151
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: I think I agree with you on Duke and another

1152
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: situation where you know he doesn't have the full I

1153
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 2: don't believe the full portal window and not starting late.

1154
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: But it's just tricky and I don't know. I'm still

1155
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: not fully out on Duke. You looked at the roster

1156
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: close closer than I did.

1157
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: I hate it. I hate it. Yeah, I don't hate it.

1158
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: It's it's just situational.

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01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: They lost a lot of quality. I know one of

1160
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: their better I think their safety went to Oregon. I

1161
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 2: do know that, Brandon Johnson.

1162
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: But you lose Jordan Waters, right, Riley Leonard is gone.

1163
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: It's I don't know, it's it's too much new to

1164
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: feel good about. Yeah, as we record this in early

1165
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: to mid to late July.

1166
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Speaker 2: Maybe has coached in this conference. He has the head

1167
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: coaching experience. He has the ability to do the things

1168
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 2: that he felt like he didn't do right last time

1169
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 2: at Miami with far less pressure at Duke. I don't know.

1170
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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm saying in the medium term, I could see

1171
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 2: this working.

1172
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Speaker 1: do do you want me to tell you that I

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Speaker 1: Next up is the Big Twelve. Listen on our next episode,

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Speaker 1: the Big Twelve, now with how many teams?

1209
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 2: Eighteen teams sounds about right?

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Speaker 1: Sixteen teams. I don't even know anyone now it's sixteen

1211
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Speaker 1: teams now for the Big Twelve. So we will do

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Speaker 1: our part to break things down in three parts. We'll

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Speaker 1: start with the overview and the emerging storylines and our tears.

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Speaker 1: Will then move into two groups of eight teams on

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Speaker 1: part two and three.

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Speaker 2: Dan, but yes, by the way, yeah, how many days

1217
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Speaker 2: until August twenty fourth, like thirty eight days until Georgia

1218
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 2: Tech Florida State.

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Speaker 1: At time or recording at time or recording, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: At time of recording. That's not that long.

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Speaker 1: It's getting big in the window man, Bambino and Grano.

1222
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Speaker 2: That's where I would recommend you eating Dublin.

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Speaker 1: That's all acc in the Bookstan Big twelve on deck

1224
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