WEBVTT - Trains & Deterence 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:06.120 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:10.680 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe, Katty arms Strong 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:22.880 and Jattie and he Armstrong and Yetty. This is an 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:27.360 open question and we'll you know, you decide for yourself 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:32.200 after we play it. Did Trump drop an ultimatum on Putin? 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.680 Yesterday in his little mini press conference when he was 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:40.559 asked about the Russia Ukraine ceasefire? Et cetera? Here we go? 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:42.240 Do you believe the Russians are. 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:46.120 Being disrespectful when they say that your criticisms of Putin 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.400 are simply an emotional response. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:51.519 And do you still believe that Putin actually wants to 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:51.879 end up? 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:53.960 I can't tell you that, but I'll let you know 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:56.240 in about two weeks. Within two weeks, we're going to 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.880 find out very soon, we're going to find out whether 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.400 he's tapping us along or not. And if he is, 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.520 we'll respond a little bit differently. But it'll take about 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.920 a week and a half. Two weeks. We have mister 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:13.920 Whitcoff is here is doing a phenomenal job, is dealing 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.920 with them very strongly. Right now, they seem to want 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.319 to do something, but until the document is signed. 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:27.720 I can't tell you. Nobody can. As usual, a little 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.120 difficult to figure out exactly what he's saying or not saying. There. 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.680 Is he saying there's a ceasefire agreement to sign in 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:40.200 two weeks and if they don't, then sanctions or continuing 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.480 to arm Ukraine? Is that what he's saying. I don't know. 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.319 The idea that in two weeks he'll know whether Putin 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.320 wants peace. That's insane, that's loopy. Putin doesn't want peace, 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:50.120 There's not a chance. 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:54.560 I don't know. I really don't get his thinking. Just 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:59.840 to remind you in case you don't remember, he did tell, 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:03.040 for instance, if you don't this or that, like in 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.080 the next week, all hell fire is going to come 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.919 down on you. And they didn't do whatever he asked, 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:09.480 and all hell fires not come. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:09.880 Down on them. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:10.919 Right. 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:16.960 Yeah, there have been some uh as yet unfulfilled threats. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.240 Oh how about Hamas Hamas all the hostages back by 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:24.959 Monday or the likes of which you've never seen, et cetera, 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:29.600 et cetera. Did not bothers me. Hell yeah, obviously if 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:34.600 you've ever parented a child, yeah, you do that threat 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.840 without any follow through, and you get a result, as in, 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:39.079 they don't listen to you next time. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:44.000 Right, So we asked yesterday Jack and I are both 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.600 of the mind, with some subtle differences, but of the 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:51.120 mind that we the West need to back Ukraine to 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:56.360 halt Russian aggression lest they become emboldened and try to 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:00.280 gobble up even more territory. Also to send the message 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.120 to China and others that we are not a fair 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:03.799 weather friend. 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:05.520 If we say we're going to back you, we're going 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:06.800 to back you, and you. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:08.840 Can't just string us along for a year or two. 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:10.840 We get bored and move on. Then you get whatever 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.520 you want. No matter how evil you are and how 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.320 bent on the conquest of the world you are. There 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:22.560 are those who disagree somewhat or completely. Call them isolationists, 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.400 which I think is probably a little unfair. 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.520 Or what do they call them? 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:35.320 Interventionists, non interventionists or restrainers less America being the world's 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.960 policeman type people. And we said, all right, what are 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.000 we getting wrong? What are we missing? Drop us an 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:42.360 email and so we're going to hit you with a 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.320 couple of those. We'll see how strong you think the 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:49.720 arguments are. Let's see justin truck drivers a semi regular correspondent, Right, 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.160 So I'm not going to go into a long detailed 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.120 argument because in the past you have straw manned my 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.920 arguments and taking them out of context. Well, there's the 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.880 victim card right up front. Typically a year sort anyway. 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.040 But then I read on Tucker and others use Christianity 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:09.720 as a euphemism for white Europeans. We're talking about how 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.840 absurd it is to look at Vladimir Putin as the 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:19.080 protector of or savior of Christianity, as he's posturing himself 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.120 to be having formed an alliance with the Russian Orthodox Church, 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:23.440 which is corrupt and evil. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.960 But I want to go ahead and give in Justin's argument. 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:28.640 And if the whatever they call the leader of the 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.240 Russian Orthodox christ Bishop or whatever he is, if he 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.320 didn't go along with Putin, he'd fall out of a 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.400 window until they got somebody who would go along with him. 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.360 All right, So anyway, here's Justin the truck driver's whole argument. 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:43.440 Tucker and others used Christianity as a euphemism for white Europeans. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.000 They do this to win over boomers, who are snowflakes 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.080 when it comes to the idea of race realism. Your 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:52.120 analysis of what's happening with foreign policy and tariffs are 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.480 very surface level because all of your sources are mainstream media. 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:57.520 That's not even close to true, Justin, but I will 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.200 read on the dissident right isn't happy with mo to 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.040 what Trump is doing, but the good he is doing 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:06.080 against the military industrial complex and globalism outweighs the bad. 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.520 The soft right is fine with Israel's ethno state and 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.839 their greater Israel expansion, but apoplectic at the idea of 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:19.160 strong men in Europe defending white European ethno states. 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:25.560 How is Putin defending his country? He attacked Ukraine, Ukraine 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:30.000 didn't attack him. He would say NATO got too close 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:31.719 and they were warned over and over again not to 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:36.240 do that. I think, let's see, here's another point of view. 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:36.960 Good morning, gentlemen. 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.120 Regarding Putin's advances in your premise that he's not going 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.240 to stop invading Ukraine, a very simple question, yes, and 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:44.919 what do you propose we do about it? Seriously, what 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:47.640 is the alternative scenario other than a full blown kinetic 0:05:47.720 --> 0:05:50.520 war with Russia? Are you proposing that we should deploy 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:52.479 men and material to stop him? If not what else 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.200 can we do? Listeners since day one, you guys should 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.040 be household names across our great land. Well, I certainly 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:03.279 agree with you with that last point, Chris, A very 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.560 very short answer to your question is deterrence. 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.800 Yeah, I would say men definitely not, but material support 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:15.680 of Ukraine absolutely. And again my thinking is it makes 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.360 it more likely that we end up in a full 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.160 kinetic war against Russia if we let him take Ukraine, 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:22.240 not less likely. 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:29.320 Well, although he's asking about advances into NATO countries, are 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:33.320 you saying no men for that? If well, that is 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.960 the starts in marching on warsaw that that's where we 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.080 end up in a real tough situation. That's why you 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.920 gotta push him out of Ukraine or make it clear 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.280 that you don't get to take all of Ukraine. Because 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.760 if he does take Ukraine, I think if he if 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.680 he gets to keep what he's got. Now, even he's 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:53.040 gonna make that minor incursion like we as Joe Biden 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.159 called it, that we talked about yesterday, into a stony 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.320 or one of those NATO countries, and that is going 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.599 to be the big decision point for NATO. 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.840 Is Article five for real or not? Is an attack 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.960 on one, an attack on all, and we all come 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.640 to their support. And if that's the case, then yeah, 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.400 we would have to send troops because that's our obligation. 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:16.200 Which would prevent a full on kinetic war with Russia. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.720 In my opinion, you let him take a bite after 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.600 bite after bite. As the old saying goes, his hunger 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:26.400 grows with the eating moving along. In the Ukraine War, 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.560 Chris writes, all we need to do is give Ukraine 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:30.480 their nukes back. 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:33.160 Yeah, that's right. 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.760 Under the Clinton administration, we per is persuaded Ukraine in 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:40.040 the name of non nuclear proliferation to give up their 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:44.040 nukes without giving them any real specific security guarantees. And 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:48.760 they have suffered suffered for trusting the United States of America, 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.480 which makes me sick. 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:58.320 You know, I'm constantly referencing monocham Began because I've read 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.640 way too much about him and the peace process. I 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.080 just finished the Lawrence Rte book Thirteen Days. If you 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.480 have any interest in the Middle East or any peace process, 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.880 I think I learned a lot from that book about 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:11.080 what they're going to try to do here with Russian 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:15.640 and Ukraine. These peace processed talks are can be crazy, 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:20.080 and you got wild human emotions involved. It's not all 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:27.160 high level college PhD foreign policy this and that. It's 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:31.280 just like people being butt hurt or feeling wounded, or 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.560 it's like a fight between a husband and a wife, 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.520 as much as anything else. But anyway, my point being, 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:39.120 monockme began why he did a lot of crazy s 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.640 over the years as a prime minister, was the world says, 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:46.959 never again, bulls, They'll let it happen again if it 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.840 be inconvenient for him. Only we can protect ourselves, and 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.760 we got to do whatever we have to do to 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.280 protect ourselves. And when I was reading that, I mean 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.800 that was his ultimate philosophy. He didn't say that specifically, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:08:59.600 that was his ultimate philosophy. When I was reading that, 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:04.600 I was thinking Ukraine. Ukraine's said giving up their nukes 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.800 because the world will protect us never again. Yeah, not 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:09.360 so much? 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.680 Right right, Let's see, Pollo writes, this really isn't an 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.440 answer to your why is it wrong to back you 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.680 and Crane question, just the thoughts about a few things 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.480 I need. I think we need to keep in mind 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:23.200 we aren't the dominant military power we were post WW two. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.240 We no longer have the ability to police the world 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.880 and impose our will to whatever extent we deem necessary. True, Yeah, 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.800 that's true. There are nuances there. I tell you this, 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:33.960 and maybe we'll get to it on another day. Just 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:38.760 read some unbelievable stuff about the state of our manufacturing 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.520 capabilities and our stockpiles of weapons, which is something we've 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.120 talked about before and others have too. But we in 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:50.200 some of our key weapons systems, our stockpiles would run 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:55.120 out in days and to replenish them would take years. 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:57.480 How the hell are you going to fight a war 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:01.400 with that situation? You spend all of your artillery shells 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.760 in say, ten days, and then say, can y'all hang 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.400 on till twenty twenty eight because we got to work 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:08.800 on getting some more shells. 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.880 We're in a terrible state. But more on that another time. 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.679 How we might deal with that crazy interesting I'll give 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:21.040 you the five second version. We figure out every manufacturer 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.640 in the United States and what they're good at, and 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:28.560 code them and understand how they could be tweaked and 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:32.199 then scaled up to manufacture weaponry, and then we can 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:35.680 immediately say, all two c's, we're gonna call them and 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:39.800 give them incentives to stop manufacturing, you know, bicycle spokes 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:42.640 and start manufacturing bullets or whatever. 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:46.240 Anyway, we have a huge, huge challenge with that. It's 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:46.720 a good point. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.520 Anything we do to support Ukraine in a way that 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:52.720 would truly threaten Russia will be viewed by Russia as 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.280 an attack on Russia. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:11:00.000 Well, that's like his problem, sounds like a hymn problem. Yeah, 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.199 how are you gonna You're gonna fight NATO in the 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:02.840 United States. 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:05.760 Yeah, you don't want to be reckless or an idiot, 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.360 but the whole well, we don't want them to escalate, 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.640 make them afraid we're going to escalate. That kept the 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:16.920 world at peace for your generation and five others, and 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:21.760 we've forgotten. Let's see, there's more on that topic. It's 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:23.680 good stuff, but I want to hit a couple more 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:28.720 very briefly. Let's see Jeff says Putin's a terrible scum 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.679 of a human who's hell bent on being bullied of 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.440 the world. My issue, as an American who was born 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.160 in the early eighties and seen and heard firsthand about 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:39.120 the issues and mostly unsuccessful large scale military interventions we've 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.199 been in the last sixty five years, I don't think 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.080 it's worth one single American soldier's life to be involved 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.400 in this conflict war tragedy. I'm not even happy with 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.960 hundreds of billions of dollars tax being money taxpayer money 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:51.839 being used either. 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:55.520 Ah. 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:59.760 The unwillingness to engage in large scale military action is 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.559 what brings on large scale military actions. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.640 Right, and an oversimplification, Absolutely true. I understand how having 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.240 lived through the wars you've lived through, but you'd have 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.400 that point of view. But us getting involved in Iraq 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.120 has nothing to do with whether or not you get 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.680 You can let Russia start gobbling up countries nearby and 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.200 sending the message message to China that you can take 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:24.320 Taiwan unopposed. 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.560 Yeah, the problem with Iraq, and the problem with all mistakes, 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.880 is the danger of over learning lessons. You can do 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.280 the right thing in the wrong way. You can do 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.000 the right thing in the right way. You can do 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:37.840 the wrong thing in the right way. You can do 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.000 the wrong thing in the wrong way. And you got 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.520 to figure out which of all of those are and 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:44.400 then or each one of those might be, and then 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.680 drill down on the particulars and learn the correct lessons. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:50.680 But if thanks for the thoughts, keep them coming. Mail 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:53.360 Bag at Armstrong and Getty dot com. We are absolutely 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.040 not about having one viewpoint here and it's the only one, 0:12:57.080 --> 0:12:59.360 and we're occultists in one way or another. No, this 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.840 stuff is hard. We like none on the problems. Thanks 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:02.960 for your assistance. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.800 We'll leave it alone from now. But man, as I 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:10.320 kept saying yesterday, the ball is in Trump's court. What 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.400 is he going to do. Is he going to throw 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.440 up his hands and say that's it. You guys don't 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:17.880 want peace figured out yourselves, which is a win for Putin? 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.720 Or is he going to back the sanctions that Europe 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:23.720 has already come with and we continue to arm Ukraine. 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:30.559 And next segment one very short email, extremely controversial but powerful. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.400 Okay and Tim the lawyer this hour which everybody loves, 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:34.760 say here. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.080 Macy's now warning shoppers the prices will be going up, 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.559 the CEO announcing the hikes will offset tariffs in competition. 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.400 Macy's not yet revealing which items will cost more. The 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.640 retailers saying the tariffs are dampening their earnings forecast as well. 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.079 So remember Walmart a couple of weeks ago said they're 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.720 going to raise prices on a whole bunch of different stuff. Obviously. 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:04.079 That's was before the Court came out yesterday and said 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.160 Trump doesn't have the power to do that. One guy 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:09.440 can't do that, and so most of the tariffs are off. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.720 So where does that leave us on raising prices? I 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:12.520 wonder who knows? 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.880 This is the Court of International Trade. A few people 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:17.920 understood it existed. We talked about it a couple of 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.560 weeks ago, warning you that this might happen. It now 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.360 goes to the Court of Appeals and then the Supreme Court. 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.080 But yeah, they've said no, the President doesn't have unilateral 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:28.080 emergency powers to do what he's doing. 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.520 But will Walmart still raise prices? And Macy's and everybody else? Sir, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:32.680 don't know. 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.120 It's all up in the air now, Well, it's still 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:38.080 up in the air. I should say one more email 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.800 on the Russia Ukraine thing. Different perspectives, Kevin writes on 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.160 a couple of different topics, but he says, finally, and 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.320 this is where I put my tinfoil hat on. I'm 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.480 not sure that's true, Kevin, He says, is Europe so 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.800 far gone that doesn't make sense for us to sink 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:53.320 blood and treasure into helping them? 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.120 If I play out the demographic reality of the UK. 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.920 For instance, in fifty to seventy five years, there'll be 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:00.840 a nuclear armed disigy power. 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.040 Oh maybe that's tomorrow's problem. 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:04.440 But I don't know that we can bank on our 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.320 European allies being around in the coming generations unless they 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:08.040 course correct. 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:09.280 Good good point. 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:16.000 Uh, Cabinet's uncomfortably close to the truth. I yeah, I 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.360 told his story. I think there is course correction going 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:19.800 on immigration wise, go ahead. 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:22.440 So I told this story many years ago. I actually 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:27.480 met a tinfoil hat guy. If you're familiar with that phrase, 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.560 how did he even get started to become kind of 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:32.960 a common term people who. 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:37.240 Used like aluminum foil to reflect various government rays they 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:38.920 thought were being trained upon them. 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.360 Or space aliens. In the case of this dude, I 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:44.800 know he was a PhD at the university, super smart guy, 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.440 but he would wear a tinfoil on his head and 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.680 on the tops of his shoes. He would ride his 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.200 bike to my house with tinfoil and tops of his 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.960 shoes on top of his head to reflect I think 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.360 it was extraterrestrial stuff. And he also had it on 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.760 the seat of his and he talked about it endlessly 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:02.960 in very serious tones. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.760 Wouldn't the foil on the seat of his bike reflect 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.360 the rays back up into his grundle area. 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:14.240 And tain't that a problem? I don't know. 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.080 Ain't that a shame coming up? Tim Sander for the 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.000 Goldwater Foundation? By the way, just in the side, on 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.280 a lighter note, my wife and I are having a 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.840 bit of a remodel done. Expanding our back patio, pushing 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:27.480 out a wall, redoing the kitchen, that sort of thing 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:29.480 really outdated. 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.560 For a minute, you guys do I don't know whatever 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:32.040 we did yet. 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:36.000 But although it's funny when they were just building things 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.600 like expanding the patio. Oh look they're pouring the footing, 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.080 they're building up, the cinder blocks, the bricks they're building. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.560 That's nice, it was. It was all find and good. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.560 But now that they're dismantling my house and tearing it apart, 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.160 it's getting real in here. I feel like, you know, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.480 like a bride who was saving yourself for the wedding. 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.640 And the courtship was wonderful and the wedding ceremony was 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.600 beautiful and their reception was so much fun. 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.840 But now we're in the marital bed and it's like, oh, 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.760 that's right, Yeah, this is real, This is actually happening. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:11.440 Hello plastic walls. Oh man. Uh. Tim the Lawyer, which 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.760 if you haven't heard of, you're gonna love it, fan favorite, 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:15.520 coming up to talk about a whole bunch of different things. 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:26.000 Law Wise, Armstrong and Getty Tox six fifty KSDV. Too 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.720 much news. We've been saying that for a while the 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.120 government needs to step in. There's too much news every 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.800 day and too many good books. I was thinking that too. 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:35.960 If you're abode one, one or two a week. 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:40.200 Yeah, all the government should permit to discuss a number 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:45.200 of important constitutional issues before various courts these days. Please 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.879 welcome Tim the Lawyer Sandover. Tim's the vice president for 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.120 legal affairs with the Goldwater Institute, also an adjunct scholar 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:52.639 with the Cato Institute. 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.000 Always a pleasure, Tim, How are you? 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.000 I'm just great. You know you joke about the limiting 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.560 the number of books to be published every years? Actually 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:01.200 does do that? 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.720 Really? What's the theory behind that? 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.160 The way it forces people to read better books? 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.359 Well, if you know, it's it's classic censorship. If I 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.080 could trust who was making the list, that would be fine. 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.879 But you can't. It's totally freaking French. Am I wrong? 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.359 I'm not wrong. Wow, I don't tell that they actually 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.720 have a limit on how many books can be published. 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:29.800 That's insane, My god, I hate collectivism so much. So, Tim, 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.119 before we get into some really interesting stuff that the 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.160 Goldwater Institute and you are involved in personally, is there 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.800 anything in the Supreme Court docket, because they make all 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:42.320 sorts of big announcements in June, anything particularly exciting that 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:43.239 you're looking forward to. 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.080 None of the big cases have been decided yet they 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.080 are going to except for there was the case about 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:55.000 a religious discrimination in schools. It was a charter school 0:18:55.119 --> 0:19:00.399 that wanted to operate in Oklahoma as an officially church 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:05.200 oriented school. But in Oklahoma the law deems charter schools 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:08.120 to be public schools. And the question therefore was can 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:13.919 the government officially charter explicitly religious school or does that 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.360 violate the First Amendment? And the Supreme Court said, yes, 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:22.439 that's not allowed. But they did so on an even split. 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.479 Four justices went way when one way and four justices 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.200 went the other way, and Justice Barrett was recused from 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.560 the case. So that means it sets no legal precedent, 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.960 and that means it's still up in the air about 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:39.639 the constitutionality of government basically allowing private religious schools to 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:41.479 operate under the government's aegis. 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:42.320 It was one of the. 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.040 Things we'd all been watching for very closely, and it 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.320 kind of ended with a fizzle, which means that next 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.320 year we're going to have to be arguing this issue 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:50.040 all over again. 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:51.919 So one quick question on this before we get to 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.800 what I know you want to talk about. And there's 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.919 not an Obamacare or a gay marriage every year, obviously, 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:00.239 but there's usually a big case we're waiting for. Or 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.159 is it just like an anomaly that there's not a 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.360 big case, or did this court decide to issue their 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.720 big ones rather than wait till the last day in 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:11.240 a way that most courts don't. 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.720 Well, the justices can release an opinion at any time, 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.480 they usually hold the controversial one to the last day, 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:22.960 primarily because the dissenting justices want to write their disagreement 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.760 as thoroughly as possible, and so out as a courtesy, 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.880 they hold off until everybody's comfortable. We like to joke 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:30.399 that the reason they hold off is so that they 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.440 can get out of town the July fourth holiday, when 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:36.320 they make everybody angry, but have been. There has been 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.120 a number of kind of controversial decisions that have already 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.480 come out, and I think the reason why is because 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.359 there are there We now have a more conservative court, 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.679 there are fewer liberal justices, so there's fewer reasons to 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.520 hold off and wait, you know, and so we're starting 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:52.879 to see the cases get front loaded more into the summer. 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:55.680 I mean, it's kind of inside baseball as to why 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.040