1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe, Katty arms Strong 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: and Jattie and he Armstrong and Yetty. This is an 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: open question and we'll you know, you decide for yourself 5 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: after we play it. Did Trump drop an ultimatum on Putin? 6 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Yesterday in his little mini press conference when he was 7 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: asked about the Russia Ukraine ceasefire? Et cetera? Here we go? 8 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: Do you believe the Russians are. 9 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: Being disrespectful when they say that your criticisms of Putin 10 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: are simply an emotional response. 11 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: And do you still believe that Putin actually wants to 12 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: end up? 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 3: I can't tell you that, but I'll let you know 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: in about two weeks. Within two weeks, we're going to 15 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: find out very soon, we're going to find out whether 16 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: he's tapping us along or not. And if he is, 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: we'll respond a little bit differently. But it'll take about 18 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: a week and a half. Two weeks. We have mister 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: Whitcoff is here is doing a phenomenal job, is dealing 20 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 3: with them very strongly. Right now, they seem to want 21 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 3: to do something, but until the document is signed. 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: I can't tell you. Nobody can. As usual, a little 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: difficult to figure out exactly what he's saying or not saying. There. 24 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: Is he saying there's a ceasefire agreement to sign in 25 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: two weeks and if they don't, then sanctions or continuing 26 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: to arm Ukraine? Is that what he's saying. I don't know. 27 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 4: The idea that in two weeks he'll know whether Putin 28 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 4: wants peace. That's insane, that's loopy. Putin doesn't want peace, 29 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 4: There's not a chance. 30 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't get his thinking. Just 31 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: to remind you in case you don't remember, he did tell, 32 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: for instance, if you don't this or that, like in 33 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: the next week, all hell fire is going to come 34 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 1: down on you. And they didn't do whatever he asked, 35 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: and all hell fires not come. 36 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 4: Down on them. 37 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: Right. 38 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, there have been some uh as yet unfulfilled threats. 39 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: Oh how about Hamas Hamas all the hostages back by 40 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,959 Speaker 1: Monday or the likes of which you've never seen, et cetera, 41 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: et cetera. Did not bothers me. Hell yeah, obviously if 42 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: you've ever parented a child, yeah, you do that threat 43 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: without any follow through, and you get a result, as in, 44 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: they don't listen to you next time. 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 4: Right, So we asked yesterday Jack and I are both 46 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 4: of the mind, with some subtle differences, but of the 47 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 4: mind that we the West need to back Ukraine to 48 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 4: halt Russian aggression lest they become emboldened and try to 49 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 4: gobble up even more territory. Also to send the message 50 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 4: to China and others that we are not a fair 51 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 4: weather friend. 52 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: If we say we're going to back you, we're going 53 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: to back you, and you. 54 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 4: Can't just string us along for a year or two. 55 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 4: We get bored and move on. Then you get whatever 56 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 4: you want. No matter how evil you are and how 57 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 4: bent on the conquest of the world you are. There 58 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 4: are those who disagree somewhat or completely. Call them isolationists, 59 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 4: which I think is probably a little unfair. 60 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: Or what do they call them? 61 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 4: Interventionists, non interventionists or restrainers less America being the world's 62 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 4: policeman type people. And we said, all right, what are 63 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 4: we getting wrong? What are we missing? Drop us an 64 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 4: email and so we're going to hit you with a 65 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 4: couple of those. We'll see how strong you think the 66 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 4: arguments are. Let's see justin truck drivers a semi regular correspondent, Right, 67 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 4: So I'm not going to go into a long detailed 68 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 4: argument because in the past you have straw manned my 69 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 4: arguments and taking them out of context. Well, there's the 70 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 4: victim card right up front. Typically a year sort anyway. 71 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 4: But then I read on Tucker and others use Christianity 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 4: as a euphemism for white Europeans. We're talking about how 73 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 4: absurd it is to look at Vladimir Putin as the 74 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 4: protector of or savior of Christianity, as he's posturing himself 75 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 4: to be having formed an alliance with the Russian Orthodox Church, 76 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 4: which is corrupt and evil. 77 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: But I want to go ahead and give in Justin's argument. 78 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: And if the whatever they call the leader of the 79 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: Russian Orthodox christ Bishop or whatever he is, if he 80 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: didn't go along with Putin, he'd fall out of a 81 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: window until they got somebody who would go along with him. 82 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: All right, So anyway, here's Justin the truck driver's whole argument. 83 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Tucker and others used Christianity as a euphemism for white Europeans. 84 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: They do this to win over boomers, who are snowflakes 85 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to the idea of race realism. Your 86 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: analysis of what's happening with foreign policy and tariffs are 87 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: very surface level because all of your sources are mainstream media. 88 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 4: That's not even close to true, Justin, but I will 89 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 4: read on the dissident right isn't happy with mo to 90 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 4: what Trump is doing, but the good he is doing 91 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 4: against the military industrial complex and globalism outweighs the bad. 92 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 4: The soft right is fine with Israel's ethno state and 93 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 4: their greater Israel expansion, but apoplectic at the idea of 94 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 4: strong men in Europe defending white European ethno states. 95 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: How is Putin defending his country? He attacked Ukraine, Ukraine 96 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: didn't attack him. He would say NATO got too close 97 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: and they were warned over and over again not to 98 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: do that. I think, let's see, here's another point of view. 99 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: Good morning, gentlemen. 100 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: Regarding Putin's advances in your premise that he's not going 101 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 4: to stop invading Ukraine, a very simple question, yes, and 102 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 4: what do you propose we do about it? Seriously, what 103 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 4: is the alternative scenario other than a full blown kinetic 104 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 4: war with Russia? Are you proposing that we should deploy 105 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 4: men and material to stop him? If not what else 106 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 4: can we do? Listeners since day one, you guys should 107 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 4: be household names across our great land. Well, I certainly 108 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 4: agree with you with that last point, Chris, A very 109 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 4: very short answer to your question is deterrence. 110 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say men definitely not, but material support 111 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: of Ukraine absolutely. And again my thinking is it makes 112 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: it more likely that we end up in a full 113 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: kinetic war against Russia if we let him take Ukraine, 114 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: not less likely. 115 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 4: Well, although he's asking about advances into NATO countries, are 116 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 4: you saying no men for that? If well, that is 117 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 4: the starts in marching on warsaw that that's where we 118 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 4: end up in a real tough situation. That's why you 119 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 4: gotta push him out of Ukraine or make it clear 120 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 4: that you don't get to take all of Ukraine. Because 121 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 4: if he does take Ukraine, I think if he if 122 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 4: he gets to keep what he's got. Now, even he's 123 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 4: gonna make that minor incursion like we as Joe Biden 124 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 4: called it, that we talked about yesterday, into a stony 125 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 4: or one of those NATO countries, and that is going 126 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 4: to be the big decision point for NATO. 127 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: Is Article five for real or not? Is an attack 128 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: on one, an attack on all, and we all come 129 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: to their support. And if that's the case, then yeah, 130 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: we would have to send troops because that's our obligation. 131 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 4: Which would prevent a full on kinetic war with Russia. 132 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 4: In my opinion, you let him take a bite after 133 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 4: bite after bite. As the old saying goes, his hunger 134 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: grows with the eating moving along. In the Ukraine War, 135 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 4: Chris writes, all we need to do is give Ukraine 136 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 4: their nukes back. 137 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. 138 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 4: Under the Clinton administration, we per is persuaded Ukraine in 139 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 4: the name of non nuclear proliferation to give up their 140 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 4: nukes without giving them any real specific security guarantees. And 141 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 4: they have suffered suffered for trusting the United States of America, 142 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 4: which makes me sick. 143 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: You know, I'm constantly referencing monocham Began because I've read 144 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: way too much about him and the peace process. I 145 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: just finished the Lawrence Rte book Thirteen Days. If you 146 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: have any interest in the Middle East or any peace process, 147 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: I think I learned a lot from that book about 148 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: what they're going to try to do here with Russian 149 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: and Ukraine. These peace processed talks are can be crazy, 150 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: and you got wild human emotions involved. It's not all 151 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: high level college PhD foreign policy this and that. It's 152 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: just like people being butt hurt or feeling wounded, or 153 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: it's like a fight between a husband and a wife, 154 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: as much as anything else. But anyway, my point being, 155 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: monockme began why he did a lot of crazy s 156 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: over the years as a prime minister, was the world says, 157 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: never again, bulls, They'll let it happen again if it 158 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: be inconvenient for him. Only we can protect ourselves, and 159 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: we got to do whatever we have to do to 160 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: protect ourselves. And when I was reading that, I mean 161 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: that was his ultimate philosophy. He didn't say that specifically, 162 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: that was his ultimate philosophy. When I was reading that, 163 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: I was thinking Ukraine. Ukraine's said giving up their nukes 164 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: because the world will protect us never again. Yeah, not 165 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: so much? 166 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 4: Right right, Let's see, Pollo writes, this really isn't an 167 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 4: answer to your why is it wrong to back you 168 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 4: and Crane question, just the thoughts about a few things 169 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 4: I need. I think we need to keep in mind 170 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 4: we aren't the dominant military power we were post WW two. 171 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 4: We no longer have the ability to police the world 172 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 4: and impose our will to whatever extent we deem necessary. True, Yeah, 173 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 4: that's true. There are nuances there. I tell you this, 174 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 4: and maybe we'll get to it on another day. Just 175 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 4: read some unbelievable stuff about the state of our manufacturing 176 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 4: capabilities and our stockpiles of weapons, which is something we've 177 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 4: talked about before and others have too. But we in 178 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 4: some of our key weapons systems, our stockpiles would run 179 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 4: out in days and to replenish them would take years. 180 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: How the hell are you going to fight a war 181 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: with that situation? You spend all of your artillery shells 182 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 4: in say, ten days, and then say, can y'all hang 183 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 4: on till twenty twenty eight because we got to work 184 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 4: on getting some more shells. 185 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: We're in a terrible state. But more on that another time. 186 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 4: How we might deal with that crazy interesting I'll give 187 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 4: you the five second version. We figure out every manufacturer 188 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 4: in the United States and what they're good at, and 189 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 4: code them and understand how they could be tweaked and 190 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 4: then scaled up to manufacture weaponry, and then we can 191 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 4: immediately say, all two c's, we're gonna call them and 192 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 4: give them incentives to stop manufacturing, you know, bicycle spokes 193 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 4: and start manufacturing bullets or whatever. 194 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: Anyway, we have a huge, huge challenge with that. It's 195 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: a good point. 196 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 4: Anything we do to support Ukraine in a way that 197 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 4: would truly threaten Russia will be viewed by Russia as 198 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 4: an attack on Russia. 199 00:10:55,360 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: Well, that's like his problem, sounds like a hymn problem. Yeah, 200 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: how are you gonna You're gonna fight NATO in the 201 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: United States. 202 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't want to be reckless or an idiot, 203 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 4: but the whole well, we don't want them to escalate, 204 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 4: make them afraid we're going to escalate. That kept the 205 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 4: world at peace for your generation and five others, and 206 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 4: we've forgotten. Let's see, there's more on that topic. It's 207 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 4: good stuff, but I want to hit a couple more 208 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 4: very briefly. Let's see Jeff says Putin's a terrible scum 209 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 4: of a human who's hell bent on being bullied of 210 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 4: the world. My issue, as an American who was born 211 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 4: in the early eighties and seen and heard firsthand about 212 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 4: the issues and mostly unsuccessful large scale military interventions we've 213 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 4: been in the last sixty five years, I don't think 214 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 4: it's worth one single American soldier's life to be involved 215 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 4: in this conflict war tragedy. I'm not even happy with 216 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 4: hundreds of billions of dollars tax being money taxpayer money 217 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 4: being used either. 218 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: Ah. 219 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 4: The unwillingness to engage in large scale military action is 220 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 4: what brings on large scale military actions. 221 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: Right, and an oversimplification, Absolutely true. I understand how having 222 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: lived through the wars you've lived through, but you'd have 223 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: that point of view. But us getting involved in Iraq 224 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with whether or not you get 225 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: You can let Russia start gobbling up countries nearby and 226 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: sending the message message to China that you can take 227 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: Taiwan unopposed. 228 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, the problem with Iraq, and the problem with all mistakes, 229 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 4: is the danger of over learning lessons. You can do 230 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 4: the right thing in the wrong way. You can do 231 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 4: the right thing in the right way. You can do 232 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 4: the wrong thing in the right way. You can do 233 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 4: the wrong thing in the wrong way. And you got 234 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 4: to figure out which of all of those are and 235 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 4: then or each one of those might be, and then 236 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 4: drill down on the particulars and learn the correct lessons. 237 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 4: But if thanks for the thoughts, keep them coming. Mail 238 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 4: Bag at Armstrong and Getty dot com. We are absolutely 239 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 4: not about having one viewpoint here and it's the only one, 240 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 4: and we're occultists in one way or another. No, this 241 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 4: stuff is hard. We like none on the problems. Thanks 242 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 4: for your assistance. 243 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: We'll leave it alone from now. But man, as I 244 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: kept saying yesterday, the ball is in Trump's court. What 245 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: is he going to do. Is he going to throw 246 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: up his hands and say that's it. You guys don't 247 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: want peace figured out yourselves, which is a win for Putin? 248 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: Or is he going to back the sanctions that Europe 249 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: has already come with and we continue to arm Ukraine. 250 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: And next segment one very short email, extremely controversial but powerful. 251 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: Okay and Tim the lawyer this hour which everybody loves, 252 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: say here. 253 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 2: Macy's now warning shoppers the prices will be going up, 254 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 2: the CEO announcing the hikes will offset tariffs in competition. 255 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: Macy's not yet revealing which items will cost more. The 256 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: retailers saying the tariffs are dampening their earnings forecast as well. 257 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: So remember Walmart a couple of weeks ago said they're 258 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: going to raise prices on a whole bunch of different stuff. Obviously. 259 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: That's was before the Court came out yesterday and said 260 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: Trump doesn't have the power to do that. One guy 261 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: can't do that, and so most of the tariffs are off. 262 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: So where does that leave us on raising prices? I 263 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: wonder who knows? 264 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 4: This is the Court of International Trade. A few people 265 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 4: understood it existed. We talked about it a couple of 266 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 4: weeks ago, warning you that this might happen. It now 267 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 4: goes to the Court of Appeals and then the Supreme Court. 268 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 4: But yeah, they've said no, the President doesn't have unilateral 269 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 4: emergency powers to do what he's doing. 270 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: But will Walmart still raise prices? And Macy's and everybody else? Sir, 271 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: don't know. 272 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 4: It's all up in the air now, Well, it's still 273 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 4: up in the air. I should say one more email 274 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 4: on the Russia Ukraine thing. Different perspectives, Kevin writes on 275 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 4: a couple of different topics, but he says, finally, and 276 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 4: this is where I put my tinfoil hat on. I'm 277 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 4: not sure that's true, Kevin, He says, is Europe so 278 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 4: far gone that doesn't make sense for us to sink 279 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 4: blood and treasure into helping them? 280 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: If I play out the demographic reality of the UK. 281 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 4: For instance, in fifty to seventy five years, there'll be 282 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 4: a nuclear armed disigy power. 283 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: Oh maybe that's tomorrow's problem. 284 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 4: But I don't know that we can bank on our 285 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 4: European allies being around in the coming generations unless they 286 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 4: course correct. 287 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: Good good point. 288 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 4: Uh, Cabinet's uncomfortably close to the truth. I yeah, I 289 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 4: told his story. I think there is course correction going 290 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 4: on immigration wise, go ahead. 291 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: So I told this story many years ago. I actually 292 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: met a tinfoil hat guy. If you're familiar with that phrase, 293 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: how did he even get started to become kind of 294 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: a common term people who. 295 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 4: Used like aluminum foil to reflect various government rays they 296 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 4: thought were being trained upon them. 297 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: Or space aliens. In the case of this dude, I 298 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: know he was a PhD at the university, super smart guy, 299 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: but he would wear a tinfoil on his head and 300 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: on the tops of his shoes. He would ride his 301 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: bike to my house with tinfoil and tops of his 302 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: shoes on top of his head to reflect I think 303 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: it was extraterrestrial stuff. And he also had it on 304 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: the seat of his and he talked about it endlessly 305 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: in very serious tones. 306 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 4: Wouldn't the foil on the seat of his bike reflect 307 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 4: the rays back up into his grundle area. 308 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: And tain't that a problem? I don't know. 309 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 4: Ain't that a shame coming up? Tim Sander for the 310 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 4: Goldwater Foundation? By the way, just in the side, on 311 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 4: a lighter note, my wife and I are having a 312 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 4: bit of a remodel done. Expanding our back patio, pushing 313 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 4: out a wall, redoing the kitchen, that sort of thing 314 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 4: really outdated. 315 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: For a minute, you guys do I don't know whatever 316 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: we did yet. 317 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 4: But although it's funny when they were just building things 318 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 4: like expanding the patio. Oh look they're pouring the footing, 319 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 4: they're building up, the cinder blocks, the bricks they're building. 320 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: That's nice, it was. It was all find and good. 321 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 4: But now that they're dismantling my house and tearing it apart, 322 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 4: it's getting real in here. I feel like, you know, 323 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 4: like a bride who was saving yourself for the wedding. 324 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 4: And the courtship was wonderful and the wedding ceremony was 325 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 4: beautiful and their reception was so much fun. 326 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: But now we're in the marital bed and it's like, oh, 327 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah, this is real, This is actually happening. 328 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: Hello plastic walls. Oh man. Uh. Tim the Lawyer, which 329 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: if you haven't heard of, you're gonna love it, fan favorite, 330 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: coming up to talk about a whole bunch of different things. 331 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: Law Wise, Armstrong and Getty Tox six fifty KSDV. Too 332 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: much news. We've been saying that for a while the 333 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: government needs to step in. There's too much news every 334 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: day and too many good books. I was thinking that too. 335 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: If you're abode one, one or two a week. 336 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, all the government should permit to discuss a number 337 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 4: of important constitutional issues before various courts these days. Please 338 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 4: welcome Tim the Lawyer Sandover. Tim's the vice president for 339 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 4: legal affairs with the Goldwater Institute, also an adjunct scholar 340 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 4: with the Cato Institute. 341 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: Always a pleasure, Tim, How are you? 342 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 5: I'm just great. You know you joke about the limiting 343 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 5: the number of books to be published every years? Actually 344 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 5: does do that? 345 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: Really? What's the theory behind that? 346 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 5: The way it forces people to read better books? 347 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: Well, if you know, it's it's classic censorship. If I 348 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: could trust who was making the list, that would be fine. 349 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: But you can't. It's totally freaking French. Am I wrong? 350 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: I'm not wrong. Wow, I don't tell that they actually 351 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: have a limit on how many books can be published. 352 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 4: That's insane, My god, I hate collectivism so much. So, Tim, 353 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 4: before we get into some really interesting stuff that the 354 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 4: Goldwater Institute and you are involved in personally, is there 355 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 4: anything in the Supreme Court docket, because they make all 356 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 4: sorts of big announcements in June, anything particularly exciting that 357 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:43,239 Speaker 4: you're looking forward to. 358 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 5: None of the big cases have been decided yet they 359 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 5: are going to except for there was the case about 360 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 5: a religious discrimination in schools. It was a charter school 361 00:18:55,119 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 5: that wanted to operate in Oklahoma as an officially church 362 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 5: oriented school. But in Oklahoma the law deems charter schools 363 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 5: to be public schools. And the question therefore was can 364 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 5: the government officially charter explicitly religious school or does that 365 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 5: violate the First Amendment? And the Supreme Court said, yes, 366 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 5: that's not allowed. But they did so on an even split. 367 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 5: Four justices went way when one way and four justices 368 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 5: went the other way, and Justice Barrett was recused from 369 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 5: the case. So that means it sets no legal precedent, 370 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 5: and that means it's still up in the air about 371 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 5: the constitutionality of government basically allowing private religious schools to 372 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,479 Speaker 5: operate under the government's aegis. 373 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: It was one of the. 374 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 5: Things we'd all been watching for very closely, and it 375 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 5: kind of ended with a fizzle, which means that next 376 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 5: year we're going to have to be arguing this issue 377 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 5: all over again. 378 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: So one quick question on this before we get to 379 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: what I know you want to talk about. And there's 380 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: not an Obamacare or a gay marriage every year, obviously, 381 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,239 Speaker 1: but there's usually a big case we're waiting for. Or 382 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: is it just like an anomaly that there's not a 383 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: big case, or did this court decide to issue their 384 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: big ones rather than wait till the last day in 385 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: a way that most courts don't. 386 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 5: Well, the justices can release an opinion at any time, 387 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 5: they usually hold the controversial one to the last day, 388 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 5: primarily because the dissenting justices want to write their disagreement 389 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 5: as thoroughly as possible, and so out as a courtesy, 390 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 5: they hold off until everybody's comfortable. We like to joke 391 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 5: that the reason they hold off is so that they 392 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 5: can get out of town the July fourth holiday, when 393 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 5: they make everybody angry, but have been. There has been 394 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 5: a number of kind of controversial decisions that have already 395 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 5: come out, and I think the reason why is because 396 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 5: there are there We now have a more conservative court, 397 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 5: there are fewer liberal justices, so there's fewer reasons to 398 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 5: hold off and wait, you know, and so we're starting 399 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 5: to see the cases get front loaded more into the summer. 400 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 5: I mean, it's kind of inside baseball as to why 401 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 5: they do that, But I think the court is also 402 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 5: more interested to nowadays in culture issues. You see these 403 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 5: issues about you know, sex education in schools and whether 404 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 5: parents have a constitutional right to withdraw their children from 405 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 5: the schools that sort of issue, and less of the 406 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 5: property rights oriented issues that we saw on previous terms. 407 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 5: But it's really hard to say, because then they can 408 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 5: take whatever path they want in deciding what cases to 409 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 5: hear and how they decide. 410 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 4: I find it curious that you, as a non sports 411 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 4: fan who does not use many sports metaphors, use use 412 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 4: the sports metaphor that refers to getting far too into 413 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 4: sports metaphors. 414 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: Well, inside baseball. 415 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 5: Baseball is my one exception, Joe, I enjoy a baseball game. 416 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 5: The reason I'm okay with baseball is because when you 417 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 5: go to a baseball game, nobody expects you to pay 418 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 5: attention and so much time. You know. 419 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: I was funny, I was at a baseball game Friday 420 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: night and I was thinking about I can see why 421 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 1: it doesn't work for young people. It is kind of 422 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: a you kind of sit around and talk and you 423 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: don't have to pay close attention. It's like listening to 424 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: all long jazz solo. You almost kind of have to 425 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: tune out to get into it or what. 426 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 5: You and I being jazz fans, that's cool with it. 427 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I pay attention to every pitch and assess it 428 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 4: on a number of different metrics. So you're not holding 429 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 4: your breath for any particular Supreme Court decision in the 430 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 4: next few weeks. 431 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 5: Well, no, not for the next few weeks, but there 432 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 5: are a lot of interesting cases coming up. This tariff 433 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 5: decision yesterday is really it's a fantastic win for freedom. 434 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,719 Speaker 5: Got to give congratulations to my friends at the Liberty 435 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 5: Justice Center in Illinois who brought this case and struck 436 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 5: down these illegal, unconstitutional tariffs. It's a big win. But 437 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 5: that case is going to be appealed to the Court 438 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 5: of Appeals next and then of course to the US 439 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 5: Supreme Court, so excited about. 440 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 4: As you know, we're big around here, whether quote unquote 441 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 4: our guy is an office or the other side's guy 442 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 4: or somebody nobody likes. 443 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: Just limiting executive power is good anyway. 444 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 4: Goldwater Institute doing some good stuff with protecting privacy, specifically 445 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 4: of donors. 446 00:22:58,800 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: Do you want to tell us about that? 447 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 5: So you know, there's these efforts that the progressives especially 448 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 5: are pursuing to force people to list their names, addresses, 449 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 5: and telephone numbers and their employment information on a publicly 450 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 5: accessible government list whenever they donate to a nonprofit organization 451 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 5: like the gold Daughter Institute, for example, that's out there 452 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 5: making statements about politics or endorsing or opposing ballid initiatives. 453 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 5: And the progresses want to expose people's private information in 454 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 5: this way because they say, well, this will keep the 455 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 5: money out of politics, which is nonsense. I mean, as 456 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 5: long as the government can redistribute wealth, there's going to 457 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 5: be money in politics, because that's why people invest money 458 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 5: in positives. They want to get a profit from it. 459 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 5: The only way to get money out of politics is 460 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 5: to get the government out of the business of picking 461 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 5: winners and losers in the marketplace and taking money from 462 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 5: some people and giving it to other people. But the 463 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 5: progresses don't want to do that, so instead what they 464 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 5: want to do is name and shame anybody who supports 465 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 5: a cause that progresses don't like. And the result, of 466 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 5: course is harassment and intimidation and violence against people who 467 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 5: donate to nonprofits that are conservative and orientation primarily. And 468 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 5: there have been cases, the big one a few years 469 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 5: ago in the US Supreme Court called AFP versus Bonta, 470 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 5: where California forced these nonprofits to turn over their private 471 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 5: IRS documents not redacted, and then posted them on their 472 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 5: Internet and distributed them. And once you put people's names 473 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 5: and addresses out there, they are targeted for harassment and 474 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 5: intimidation and violence. 475 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: I was going to say that back in the day 476 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: this would have been bad, but not nearly as in 477 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: the Internet age, where wow, they can they can figure 478 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: out what caused Jenny and accounting uh donated money to 479 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: and and and and get that out there and people 480 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: can start you know, attacking or online or go and 481 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: buy our house or whatever. That's horrifying. 482 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and you know Prop eight in California, the 483 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 5: single the same sex anti same sex marriage initiative. The 484 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 5: people who donated to that campaign had their names and 485 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 5: addresses posted on the Internet, and they were subjected to 486 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 5: a campaign of intimidation and harassment, vandalism of their houses, 487 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 5: the damage to their churches. People who track down these 488 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 5: churches and knock their signs and statues over, and graffiti 489 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 5: on all these sorts of things. And that was years afterwards. 490 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 5: I mean, care information is out there, It's always out there. 491 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 5: So a cause that is today considered perfectly normal. Remember 492 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 5: President Obama himself right post the same second. 493 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: He and Hillary both ran on a marriage is between 494 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: a man and a woman. That wasn't that long aga. 495 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 5: So then twenty years later that becomes a politically anathema, 496 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 5: politically incorrect, as bad as segregation, et cetera, et cetera. Right, 497 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 5: And so now people can track down who donated to 498 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 5: that campaign and harass them and threaten them. This is 499 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 5: all intended to silence conservative voices, to stop them from 500 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 5: donating to causes they believe in. And then the progressives 501 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 5: can go out there and say, see, we got money 502 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 5: out of politics because we get our way. 503 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: Wow. 504 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 4: Just as a quick aside, you mentioned Rob Bonta the 505 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 4: Attorney General of California. If I were to state that 506 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 4: I think he's a rotten human being who would willingly 507 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 4: urinate on an original. 508 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: Copy of the Constitution. What would your response be. 509 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,479 Speaker 5: Tim, it's your First Amendment right to say that, Joe, 510 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 5: and and to donate to a cause that supports that position. Well, 511 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 5: what we're doing in Arizona. So Arizona passed on these 512 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 5: laws that says you have to put your name on 513 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 5: a government list if you donate to a nonprofit. We 514 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 5: sued over this, and this case is now going to 515 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 5: the Arizona Supreme Court, which is going to hear the 516 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 5: case argued in September, arguing that this law violates the 517 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 5: state constitutions protection protections for free speech and privacy. And 518 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 5: this is a new wrinkle because most of these cases 519 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 5: have been argued under the federal First Amendment. People tend 520 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 5: to forget that the state constitutions protect your freedom more 521 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 5: broadly than the federal Constitution does. So we're going to 522 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 5: the Arizona Supreme Court to argue that ignore the federal law, 523 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 5: this violates the state Constitution's free speech and privacy rights guaranteed. 524 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: That's interesting that as a statement that you just made. 525 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: The state constitution protects you more than the federal constitution. 526 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 5: That's the whole reason for federalism is to ensure that 527 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 5: the government can't deprive you of your federal Bill of 528 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 5: Rights protections. Of course, it can't go below that floor, 529 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 5: but it can provide a higher level of protection. And 530 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 5: most state constitutions do. They have protections like the privacy. 531 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 5: We have a clause in the Arizona Constitution that protects 532 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 5: your private affairs against the government intruding on it. The 533 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 5: California Constitution has a privacy right in its Bill of Rights. 534 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 5: So the state constitutions protect your rights more than the 535 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 5: federal constitution does. And yet we always sit around talking 536 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 5: about the federal First Amendment, and lawyers often forget even 537 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 5: to make these arguments in court. And that's one of 538 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 5: our missions at the incident the Goaldwarnter Institute is to 539 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 5: try emphasize that the importance of state constitutional protections that 540 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 5: can often secure you against the federal government. 541 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: Someday, I hope you and I can sit on the 542 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: bullet train from Palmdale to Gilroy and discuss these things. 543 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 5: You know, it's so sad, It's so said California history 544 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 5: is if you read California, it's nothing but the taxpayer 545 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 5: being screwed by the railroads in eighteen fifty, In the 546 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 5: eighteen ninety and nineteen ten, it's the same story. And 547 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 5: here we are in the twenty twenties and California taxpayers 548 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 5: are being screwed by the railroads all over again, and 549 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 5: this time it's the progressives who think it's a great idea. 550 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 4: Tim Sanderfers, the vice president for legal affairs at the 551 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 4: Goldwater Institute. Tim, as long as we're on the topic, 552 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 4: and you passed on my colorful rob Banta query, Jack 553 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 4: and I have called the continuation of the horrific, mountainous 554 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 4: squandering of taxpayer dollars on the It'll never be a 555 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 4: bullet train train the most egregious failure of democracy we 556 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 4: have ever seen. How is it, briefly, from what you've observed, 557 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 4: that the people of californ you have been unable to 558 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 4: stop this. 559 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: Vampire. 560 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 5: Well, the complicated answer is what a phenomenon economists called 561 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 5: rent seeking, which is that when the government can take 562 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 5: a bunch of money from a large number of people 563 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 5: and then give it to a small number of people, 564 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 5: the people who receive it. The small number of people 565 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 5: who get that money, they have a huge incentive to 566 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 5: lobby the government for more. Whereas the average taxpayer they 567 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 5: only lose a dollar or two per year, it's not 568 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 5: worth them to spend a lot of time rallying against 569 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 5: what the government is doing. They call that concentrated benefits 570 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 5: and dispersed costs. And it creates this one way road 571 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 5: sort of where the government is always going in the 572 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 5: direction of more and more wealthy distribution because there's all 573 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 5: this lobbying in favor of it from the few people 574 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 5: who benefit from it, and there's not a lot of 575 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 5: lobbying against it by the people who suffer from it. 576 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 5: And that explains not just the bullet trained fiasco, but 577 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 5: all sorts of different regulatory welfare state system. You know, 578 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 5: my friend that my friend Josh Thompson at the Pacific 579 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 5: Legal Foundation. A few years ago, he calculated that it 580 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 5: would actually be cheaper to take every person in California, 581 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 5: buy them a plane ticket to Japan, fly them to Japan, 582 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 5: let them buy them a ticket on their bullet train, 583 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 5: and then fly them back. Then it would to complete 584 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 5: the California bullet Train. And that was ten years ago. 585 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: It's gotten worth oh by a lot. 586 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 5: Is pathetic. It's just so sad. 587 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: Right, you could. 588 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 4: Probably get them a nice plate of sushi in a 589 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 4: sex spot while they're over there in Tokyo, Tim said 590 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 4: to her from the Goldwater Institute. 591 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: Tim always great, stay in touch. 592 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 4: Anytime you got something that's that's hot, call us, So 593 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 4: don't wait for us to call you. 594 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 5: Absolutely, thanks for having me back. 595 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: Guys, always pleasure. I can just picture Tim and I 596 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: whisked along at high speed on the bullet train from 597 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: Gilroy to Palmdale, discussing the Constitution. 598 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 4: It's a beautiful dream because we have and that's exactly 599 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 4: what it is, a dream. 600 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: Because we have an important appointment in Palmdale, but we 601 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: need to get back to Gilroy the same day. You 602 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: laugh to keep from crying. Huh, we've got more on 603 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: the waist to hear. 604 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: Thanks for taking the money. 605 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: Armstrong and. 606 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 6: Harvard professor was fired for making up data in research 607 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 6: on dishonesty. Doctor Francesca Gino says she's never been dishonest, adding. 608 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: She's only being. 609 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 6: Targeted because she's a black male. 610 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: Oh, she must have had a picture of her there. 611 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: She is a white female yes, yes, that's true. And 612 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: as we mentioned earlier, it is revealed that she made 613 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: a million dollars a year, fifth highest paid person in Harvard. Wow. 614 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: And in her dishonesty studies she was cheating. Well, she's 615 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: an expert in the field. That's true, that's true, exactly 616 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: what expect. So I wish I didn't have to be 617 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: I don't have to be vague about this, but it'd 618 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: be kind to be vague because it would be better 619 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: for the story and easier to understand. But and you 620 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: can probably guess if you've been listening for a long time, 621 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: but two people in my orbit, very close orbit, have 622 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: had panic attacks in the last couple of weeks. And 623 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: did you know much about panic have you? Is anybody 624 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: like close to you ever had a panic attack? Yeah? 625 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: I've only known a few people in my life. It's 626 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: very helpful to me though, that the first person I 627 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: ever knew that had a panic attack, that dealt with 628 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: panic attacks was a really big, really tough guy, because 629 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: otherwise I would have a certain view of panic attacks. 630 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: I know I would, because I know my personality that 631 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: it is for, you know, a certain type of personality, 632 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: and he was he was not that guy at all. 633 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: I mean he was a college football player, tough guy, 634 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: bar fight guy. I mean, he was absolutely not the 635 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: kind of guy. And he just started having him in 636 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: his twenties and had no idea why and had to 637 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: do a bunch of research on it and everything like that, 638 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: and how horrible they were. So but man, I've never 639 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: had one. I've never come close to having one. I 640 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: don't think I'm capable of one. I think there must 641 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: be something in your brain, chemistry, your body chemistry, or 642 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: something that allows it to happen for some people and 643 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: not others. It doesn't seem to be even according to 644 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: the people I know who've had panic attacks, it doesn't 645 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: seem to be situational. It happens. It can happen out 646 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: of nowhere. It's not like you just got the news 647 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: that your car's being repossessed or you know something that 648 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: sets it off. It's more, at least in the cases 649 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: that I know, maybe you have a different story. It 650 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:59,239 Speaker 1: just can come out of nowhere. Yeah, my experience with 651 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: it by proxy, he's a little different. But really, yeah, 652 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: if you know anything, but like, what what what have 653 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: you done that has worked for you? Text Line four 654 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: one five two nine five KFTC. Well four one five 655 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: two nine five KFTC. One person I know went to 656 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: the hospital because they thought they were dying, which is 657 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: what it feels like when you have a panic attack, 658 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: is uh. They give you lots of better drill. That's 659 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: about all they do, and you wait for it to pass. 660 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: And there's not a particular at least in the cases 661 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: that I know of, personally, not a particular like remedy 662 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: for how to not have it again. So you get 663 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: to live for the rest of your life kind of 664 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: like a heart attack. You get to live for the 665 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: rest of your life wondering if one's going to come 666 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: out of nowhere again, which sounds awful. 667 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know there are coping mechanisms that you can 668 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 4: uh and awareness. 669 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: Awareness helps a lot. 670 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 4: If you can name precisely what's going on and understand 671 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 4: it on a more scientific level, it makes it harder 672 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 4: to get overwhelmed by it. 673 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: So I'm told, well, if you feel like you can't breathe, 674 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 1: that's got to be bad for minutes. Thinking you're going 675 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: to suffocate to death and die for minutes sounds really horrible. 676 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: I'm glad I don't have them and have never had one. Yeah, Yeah, 677 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: I agreed, And I don't know if one out of 678 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: a thousand people have panic attacks or one out of ten. 679 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: I don't really have any idea on that. Maybe now 680 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: at this point I should start looking into it, since 681 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: I've had no clue. Two people in my tight circle 682 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: have one recently. 683 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 4: Next Hour a gender bending Madness update The Madness. It's 684 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 4: still on the March. 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