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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, we have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 2: It's been a difficult one for me. It's a solo

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Speaker 2: show for today and tomorrow. Literally everybody but me is

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Speaker 2: on vacation this holiday week. But it's okay. We're going

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Speaker 2: sure we bring everybody the news. It's been up, frankly,

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Speaker 2: an insane weekend, perhaps one of the most insane weekends

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Speaker 2: in modern American politics. So I'll be here at the

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Speaker 2: the news for you today tomorrow. Just a heads up,

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Speaker 2: the show is going to be filmed a little bit

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Speaker 3: We are going to have RFK Junior on the show.

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Speaker 2: two great guests here in the show. Alex Thompson. He

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Speaker 2: is a reporter over at Axios. He's been covering Biden's

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Speaker 2: age and has been talking now about what it looks

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Speaker 2: like behind the scenes, with many stunning episodes of the

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Speaker 2: President's performance, now that the knives are officially out, at

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Speaker 2: least from some of the White House Residence staff. And

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Speaker 2: then Glenn Greenwald and I are going to break down

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Speaker 2: the basic media cover up of Biden's age and how

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Speaker 2: this may be one of the great media stories of

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Speaker 2: our time, almost IRAQWMD level screw up, or at the

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Speaker 2: very least acknowledging now the truth after covering it up

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Speaker 2: for years of Biden's decline. So we're going to start

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Speaker 2: in chronological order. We left you on Thursday after that

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Speaker 2: stunning debate. You could see all of our reactions. I

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Speaker 2: could see that many of you enjoyed seeing them live,

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Speaker 2: and there was also a fun moment where you could

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Speaker 2: see both Crystal and I cover our mouths in horror

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Speaker 2: and and shot just how bad Biden performed in the

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Speaker 2: opening minutes of the debate. Now, obviously, though we left

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Speaker 2: you off, was the stunning reaction from the mainstream media,

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Speaker 2: both CNN and MSNBC having a complete meltdown. But what

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Speaker 2: has happened since then has been now a stunning media

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Speaker 2: correction to their previous cover up. Were many of the

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Speaker 2: same voices who were insisting now for years that Biden

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Speaker 2: was totally cogent, that he was up to the job,

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Speaker 2: that he was actually stronger than everybody else, are now

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Speaker 2: flipping on a dime and saying that he should drop out.

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Speaker 2: First among them Morning Joe Joe Scarborough with the greatest

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Speaker 2: correction of all time.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a lesson.

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Speaker 4: If, however, you believe as do I, and as do

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Speaker 4: so many people who watched this program and who fear

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Speaker 4: just how dark of a place a second Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: term will take America, then I think it's critical that

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Speaker 4: we ask the same questions about this man I love, respect,

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Speaker 4: and who's public service in saving this country from Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump over the last three and a half years I

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Speaker 4: the same questions of him that we have asked of

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump since twenty sixteen, and that is, if he

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Speaker 4: were CEO and he turned into performance like that, would

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Speaker 4: any corporation in America, any fortune five hundred corporation in

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump lied.

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Speaker 4: Over and over and over and over again, and Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden couldn't respond to any of those lives. In fact,

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Speaker 4: as a New York Times said, he spent much of

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Speaker 6: Back and forth.

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Speaker 4: He could in fact check anything Donald Trump said, and

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Speaker 4: not only that, he missed one layup after another after another.

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Speaker 4: Why is this race close? We have no idea why

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Speaker 4: will be the next president of the United States.

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Speaker 2: A mere three weeks before this debate performance, Joe Scarborough

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Speaker 2: the so called cheap fake showing Biden old confused at

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Speaker 2: the G seven summit, and yet on a dime now

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Speaker 2: vast majority of polling showing that Biden is too old

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Speaker 2: maybe it is time to go, because at this point

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Speaker 2: it is no longer deniable. And we also have major

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Speaker 2: Democratic pundits coming out and committing the obvious.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this one up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: James Carville, who himself eighty years old, tells Axios quote,

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Speaker 2: if he appeared on TV like Biden did at the debate,

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Speaker 2: he should be pulled from punditry. Asked whether Biden will

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Speaker 2: which can't continue won't, That which can't continue won't. At

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Speaker 2: the very same time, the elite media turn has been

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Speaker 2: absolutely shocking to behold. Friday, we woke up to dozens

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Speaker 2: center left, The New York Times chief among them, saying

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Speaker 2: Biden needs to go. Let's put this up there on

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Speaker 2: the screen. The New York Times editorial board, speaking as

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Speaker 2: a voice and also for the Salzburger family quote to

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Speaker 2: serve his country, President Biden should leave the race. I

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Speaker 2: will read a little bit from this and if we

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Speaker 2: can keep this up there, please. President Biden has repeatedly

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Speaker 2: and rightfully described the stakes in this November as presidential

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Speaker 2: election as nothing less than the future of American democracy.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has proved himself to be a significant jeopardy

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Speaker 2: to that democracy, an erratic and self interested figure unworthy

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: Mister Biden has said he is the candidate with the

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Speaker 2: best choice of taking on this threat of tyranny and

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Speaker 2: defeating it. His argument rests largely on the fact that

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Speaker 2: he beat Trump in twenty twenty. That is no longer

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Speaker 2: a sufficient rationale. Mister Biden should be the Democratic nominee.

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Speaker 2: At Thursday's debate, the President needed to convince the American

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Speaker 2: office he is seeking to hold for another term. Voters, however,

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Speaker 2: cannot be expected to ignore what was instead playing to see.

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Speaker 3: Biden is not the man he was four years ago.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would say he's not the man he was

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Speaker 2: ten years ago, and that actually has been quite obvious

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Speaker 2: That is the same view now held by the vast

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Speaker 2: on the screen. For example, there are now four separate

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Speaker 2: editorials that were all called for Joe Biden to drop

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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal, the Chicago Tribune, and the Atlanta

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Speaker 2: Atlanta Journal Constitution, where, remember the debate was actually held

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Speaker 2: in the city of Atlanta and Georgia itself battleground state

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Speaker 2: which Biden only won by some tenth votes last time around.

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Speaker 2: All polls that we have right now show Biden getting decimated.

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Speaker 3: In the state.

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Speaker 2: Despite the results of the Senate elections and of the

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Speaker 2: at least a voice for the center left establishment in

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Speaker 2: the city of Atlanta, obviously saying we cannot back you,

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Speaker 2: even though you all signs currently appoint to him staying

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Speaker 2: Let's also show this up on the screen. I mean,

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Speaker 2: these are images coming from actual voters. Look at these folks.

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Speaker 2: This is in the Hampton's. President Biden was actually there

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Speaker 2: on the ground over the weekend in the Hamptons, amongst

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Speaker 2: need to step down for democracy, please drop out for us,

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Speaker 2: Thank you next, and we love you, but it's time.

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Speaker 2: So this is not you know, trolls or anybody like that.

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Speaker 2: These are folks who, out of their actual convictions, are

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Speaker 2: saying you need to go because we don't like Trump

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Speaker 2: go because you're going to lose. And there's so many

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Speaker 2: if we just think about it sequentially Morning Joe Biden's

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Speaker 2: don't think that he can win. The New York Times

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Speaker 2: the entire center left ecosystem, and the Salzburger family coming

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Speaker 2: the elite Democratic Party, all of them saying it is

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Speaker 2: time for him to go.

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Speaker 3: But don't worry.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry because it actually has, at least so far,

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Speaker 2: made no difference at all, because the Democratic establishment has decided, Actually,

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Speaker 2: you know what we're sticking with this guy, do not

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Speaker 2: believe your eyes and your ears is some stuff straight

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Speaker 2: out of nineteen eighty four. So we have here a

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Speaker 2: who are actually breaking from these media institutions and saying no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: it's not Biden's fault. It's his staff's fault. That's the

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Speaker 2: use that Jim Clyburn has.

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Speaker 7: Let's take a listen, take into account the record. Yes,

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Speaker 7: it was a bad performance. I've been around these things.

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Speaker 7: I've been a part of debate preparation before, and I

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Speaker 7: know when I see what I call preparation overload. And

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Speaker 7: that's exactly what was going on the other night. I

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Speaker 7: saw Joe Biden rapping for words and phrases and even

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Speaker 7: numbers that he was loaded up with. The next day

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Speaker 7: he gets to North Carolina, he's free wheeling and he

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Speaker 7: captivated the audience, and that's what we should do, you know.

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Speaker 7: I mean, debate preparation can be tough, but you've got

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Speaker 7: to really do a good job of preparing the candidate,

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Speaker 7: not just with information, but with style, with deflection and

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Speaker 7: the things that we did not see in Joe Biden

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Speaker 7: the other night and saw it four years ago. I

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Speaker 7: don't like the debate, but nobody will do any fact checking.

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Speaker 9: There are a healthcare professionals who think is that Trump

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Speaker 11: Guy the other night, the other guy on the debate every.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 12: First of all, it would have a seismic impact on

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Speaker 3: That process may not be your choice either.

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Speaker 12: It would all be very messy and potentially very divisive.

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Speaker 2: It would be messy and divisive, except it wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: it's just too complicated. It's not like we haven't had

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Speaker 2: We also saw. This is perhaps the single most consequential one.

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Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen, former President

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Speaker 2: Barack Obama. He says, bad not debate nights happen. Trust me,

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Speaker 2: I know, but this election is still a choice between

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Speaker 2: lies through his teeth for his own benefit. Last night

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Speaker 2: didn't change that. That is why so much is at

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Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Jim Clyburn, and Chuck Schumer are

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Speaker 2: in history, there were actually courageous moments where people said,

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Speaker 2: But they don't have that anymore. Bill Clinton himself, let's

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Speaker 3: Facts and history matter.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden has given us three years of solid leadership,

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Speaker 2: That is what's really at stake in November. That is

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Speaker 2: at the totality of his presidency, well it doesn't matter

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Speaker 3: The event by a staff.

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Speaker 2: I continue down here, he says. President Biden has been

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Speaker 2: Now pay close attention to this one. One of the

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Speaker 3: Now, let's think about this.

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Speaker 2: Is it perhaps that a Hunter wants his father's legacy

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Speaker 2: And if you're Jill Biden, you are now doctor Jill Biden,

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Speaker 3: That's a tale as old as time.

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Speaker 2: So these family members and others, they're the ones who

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Speaker 2: So there's cowardice at every single level of this game.

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Speaker 2: Not being able to speak truth to your loved ones,

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Speaker 2: which in my view is probably the most heinous act themselves.

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Speaker 2: If you truly love somebody, it's not about your own interests,

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Speaker 2: that person. But the narcissism flows all the way to

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Speaker 2: the top of an arrogant man Joe Biden himself, who

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Speaker 2: refuses to see his own limitations, and that has been

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Speaker 2: the story since he announced his candidacy back in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: So it's been absolutely stunning. That's just been the last

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours. Guys of the media and the Democratic

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Speaker 2: establishment coming together let's move now to the next part here,

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Speaker 2: just about how they're trying to again correct the narrative

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Speaker 2: about what happened. Now, the current narrative is why did

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Speaker 2: Biden do so poorly in the debate when the very

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Speaker 2: next day he appeared at a rally, speaking on a

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Speaker 2: teleprompter before a friendly audience in scripted remarks where he

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Speaker 2: actually appeared to be doing pretty well. So let's take

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Speaker 2: a listen to how he actually did during that rally

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Speaker 2: performance the next day in the state of North Carolina

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Speaker 2: and contrast it.

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Speaker 5: I know I'm not a young man, thank the obvious.

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Speaker 5: Well I know.

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Speaker 3: Well I don't.

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Speaker 8: Oh, I don't walk as easy as I used to.

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Speaker 8: I don't speak as smooth as I used to. I

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Speaker 8: don't debate as well as I used to. But I

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Speaker 8: know what I do know. I know how to tell

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Speaker 8: the truth. I know, I know, I know right from Rome,

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Speaker 8: and I know how to do this job.

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Speaker 3: I know how to get things done.

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Speaker 5: I know, like communions of Americas know, when you.

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Speaker 8: Get knocked down, you get back up.

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Speaker 13: Joe, you did such a great job. You answered every

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Speaker 13: question you know all. Let me ask the crowd, what

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Speaker 13: did Trump do.

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Speaker 3: That last one?

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Speaker 2: Kills me, Joe, it did such a great job. You

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Speaker 2: answered every question. That is the bar of which Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden thinks her husband did well in the worst debate

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Speaker 2: performance in American history by a sitting president, frankly, by

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Speaker 2: any major presidential candidate.

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Speaker 3: It's shocking.

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Speaker 2: And you also see there Biden again in his scripted

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Speaker 2: remarks in the middle of the day, saying and acting, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he did a better or a good enough job, I guess.

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Speaker 2: But that really demonstrates why he's only allowed to do

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Speaker 2: those press conferences which are scripted, which are in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the day, or press conferences where the questions

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Speaker 2: are pre selected in a minimal amount, why he doesn't

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Speaker 2: sit for major interviews, because what you watch in the

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Speaker 2: debate is when things are left up to chance and

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Speaker 2: there's not as much input, it's a total and complete meltdown.

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Speaker 2: We are watching now exactly why this man has been

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Speaker 2: so sheltered for so long, and to watch it happen

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Speaker 2: is credible, especially because even the donors themselves now they

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Speaker 2: know what's going on. Let's put this up there, and

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Speaker 2: this is actually again a shocking story. A private call

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Speaker 2: of top Democrats fuels more insider anger about Biden's debate performance.

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Speaker 2: So what we are going to listen here is that

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Speaker 2: the Biden campaign manager and the DNC chairman, Jamie Harrison,

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Speaker 2: held a Saturday afternoon call, and this was dozens of

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Speaker 2: committee members. These are ultra rich, more influential donors within

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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party. Quote they largely ignored his week showing

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Speaker 2: of Thursday night or the avalanche of criticism that followed.

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Speaker 3: Multiple committee members.

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Speaker 2: Keep in mind these are committed establishment Democrats, granted anonymity,

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Speaker 2: described feeling like they were being gaslighted, that they were

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Speaker 2: being asked to ignore the dire nature of the party's predicament.

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Speaker 2: The call, they said, may have worsened a widespread panic

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Speaker 2: among elected officials, donors, and other stakeholders. Instead, the people said,

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Speaker 2: Harrison offered what they described as a rosy assessment of

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Speaker 2: Biden's path forward, and the chat function was actually disabled

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Speaker 2: and no questions were allowed. One person said, I was

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Speaker 2: hoping for a substantive conversation instead of Hey, let's get

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Speaker 2: out there and just be cheerleader, said an elected DNC

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Speaker 2: member from Colorado. There were a number of things that

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Speaker 2: could have been addressed in this situation. We didn't get that.

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Speaker 2: We were being gas lit, and so they are gaslighting

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Speaker 2: their own donors. And again the line now from Biden

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Speaker 2: and his family is to actually throw his staff under

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Speaker 2: the bus. Let's put this up there on the screen

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Speaker 2: for example, preparation overload. Democrats defend Biden after debate flop

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Speaker 2: as voter support flinches, and you see the same line

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Speaker 2: that has been trotted out there by Jim Clyburn and

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Speaker 2: now embraced by all of these leading Democrats, and I

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Speaker 2: am including jakeem Jeffries, the Speaker of the House, Democratic Leader,

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Speaker 2: Chris Coons, you know from Delaware, Warnock from Georgia, Nancy Pelosi.

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Speaker 2: They all defended him. They all said that he shouldn't

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Speaker 2: drop out of the race. John Fetterman right, He's got

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Speaker 2: some experience and been bad debate nights in literal brain

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Speaker 2: damage as well. And what they all say is that, listen,

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Speaker 2: he was badly prepared. Biden actually needs to clean house,

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Speaker 2: He needs to fire all of his staff who badly

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Speaker 2: prepared him for the debate. But I mean, look, I'm

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Speaker 2: not in the business generally of defending the staff. But

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Speaker 2: the conditions were the best they possibly could have been

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Speaker 2: for Joe Biden. He took an entire week off from

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Speaker 2: being president, went to Camp David, hung out in a

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Speaker 2: comfortable environment, surrounded by his family and his aides, and

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Speaker 2: spent every single day for seven days preparing for this debate,

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Speaker 2: mock debates, etc. He probably has been more prepared than

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Speaker 2: any modern presidential candidate. That's actually one of the knocks

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Speaker 2: on Obama in his first bad debate was that he

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Speaker 2: was badly prepared, or that he did not prepare at

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Speaker 2: all because he was the sitting president. He didn't think

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Speaker 2: that he needed to. So he took that seriously, and

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Speaker 2: he did. And it wasn't a matter of him not

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Speaker 2: being able to command the facts. It was his matter

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Speaker 2: of not being able to command anything, of not being

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Speaker 2: able to complete a single sentence, of coughing multiple times

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Speaker 2: in the middle of the debate, of being confused, of

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Speaker 2: being stonefaced, of just not being able to maintain eye contact,

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Speaker 2: not being able to maintain or finish a single thought

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Speaker 2: making a question about abortion about illegal immigrate murder. I

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Speaker 2: mean that is not about preparation, it's not about facts.

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Speaker 2: It's about the fact that the man is clearly losing

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Speaker 2: his mind, absolutely in front of the entire world. Let's

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Speaker 2: put the next one please up there on the screen

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Speaker 2: because it continues to tell some of this story. The

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Speaker 2: Biden campaign is now sending out emails about why they

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Speaker 2: can't switch out other voters, including throwing their own vice

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Speaker 2: president under the bus. And in this email this was

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Speaker 2: sent out by their own campaign, they say, at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, we would switch candidates who would,

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Speaker 2: according to the polls, be less likely to win than

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, the only person to ever defeat Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: And for example, their justification is, look, Biden actually pulls

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Speaker 2: ahead even though he is behind of Donald Trump in

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Speaker 2: this poll at forty eight to forty five. They show

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris at forty five to forty eight versus Trump.

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Speaker 2: They show Pete Budajetch again a member of the cabinet.

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Speaker 2: They show Corey Booker, Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, Amy Klobaschar,

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Speaker 2: Governor Joshapiro, and Governor Pritzker all against Trump in a

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Speaker 2: June twenty eighth poll from.

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Speaker 3: Data for Progress.

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Speaker 2: Now, first of all, there's a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: problem with those hypothetical matchups, right, which is none of

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Speaker 2: them are actually running for president, which means that the

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Speaker 2: country you know, Jensaki, just to pull it back a

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Speaker 2: little bit for those watching the full show, Jensaki's like, well,

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Speaker 2: they won't have his high name, I D. Well, why

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Speaker 2: don't they have his hign name I D Because they're

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Speaker 2: not running for president, so of course people won't know

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Speaker 2: who they were. If they were running, then yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think people would actually pay attention, perhaps scrutinize a little

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Speaker 2: bit about how they are doing. But the level of

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Speaker 2: desperation is that Biden is the best Democrat because he,

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Speaker 2: in this hypothetical matchup, beats all of these other contenders,

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Speaker 2: including throwing your own cabinet members and vice president under

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Speaker 2: the bus preparation overload. And look, actually during this one

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Speaker 2: rally the day afterwards, he did fine. And that shows

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Speaker 2: you that he can do the job because in a

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Speaker 2: scripted environment, surrounded by enthusiastic fans, he is doing well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if that's not the conditions to do well,

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Speaker 2: and if that's not conditions where frankly anybody is going

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Speaker 2: to have a good performance, then I don't know what

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Speaker 2: is for a politician.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, there.

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Speaker 2: Has been an absolutely incredible both acknowledgment. Finally, let's say

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Speaker 2: from the pod Save America Bros. About Biden's feebleness about

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Speaker 2: how we should probably drop out of the race, on

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Speaker 2: top of then a very snipy and caddy response from

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Speaker 2: the Biden campaign. So let's go ahead and listen to

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Speaker 2: the first take from the pod Save America Bros.

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Speaker 3: From the debate.

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Speaker 11: But the most important job Joe Biden has as President

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Speaker 11: of the United States is to beat Donald Trump. And

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Speaker 11: unfortunately he went into this debate he was behind. His

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Speaker 11: job was to overcome that dynamic and change it. He

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Speaker 11: emphasized it and for the same sense of decency and

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Speaker 11: empathy and patriotism that led Joe Biden to run. I

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Speaker 11: believe this is a moment to at least have a big,

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Speaker 11: open conversation about whether the best thing he can do

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Speaker 11: for America to end his presidency as the success it

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Speaker 11: deserves to be, is whether or not he should step aside.

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Speaker 11: And already I know, because the stakes are so high,

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Speaker 11: you see people afraid to have that conversation. And fine,

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Speaker 11: But what I don't appreciate is people immediately saying, well,

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Speaker 11: we know Joe Biden won't step aside. We know Joe

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Speaker 11: Biden won't do this.

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Speaker 1: The panic is real it's happening. I almost feel like

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Speaker 1: it is underselling it or minimizing it to call it

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Speaker 1: panicking or like bedwetting.

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Speaker 14: But I think, John, what you're getting at here is

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Speaker 14: I think the reason this felt so dispiriting and so

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Speaker 14: important is because the way in which he lost this

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Speaker 14: debate at a time when he needed to change the

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Speaker 14: dynamic makes us very, very concerned that he cannot change

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Speaker 14: the dynamic in any other setting, that he is not

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Speaker 14: the person to make this argument for himself or against

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Speaker 14: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Like, I just feel like we're now all, yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: now all like grading on a curve. Everything's relative. But

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Speaker 1: it's like, hello, we all saw this, right.

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Speaker 14: Well that's it's again, not going to be convinced that

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Speaker 14: I don't tell me my eyes or lot like I.

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Speaker 3: Saw what I saw.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, well that's about as far as they can go

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Speaker 2: for criticism. Let's put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Immediately though, the Biden campaign absolutely loses it and puts

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Speaker 2: out this email. They say, Hi, folks, if you're like me,

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Speaker 2: you're getting a lot of texts or calls about the

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Speaker 2: state of the race. Maybe it was your panicked aunt,

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Speaker 2: your maga uncle, or some self important podcasters. It is

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Speaker 2: a tough position to be in, so I thought it

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Speaker 2: might be helpful to send you a few responses. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the debates started rough, but voters saw what a threat

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is to the country. Self important podcasters. Now

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Speaker 2: I personally take I take that a little bit personally. Listen,

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Speaker 2: you know you could cast aside all you want. It's

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Speaker 2: not just self important podcasters. It's your own favorite television show.

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Speaker 2: It's The New York Times, it's Thomas Friedman, the people

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Speaker 2: who you love and adore, who you hold up as

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Speaker 2: their greatest advisors and as the true intelligentsia of the country.

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Speaker 2: If anything, the self important podcasters are playing it down

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Speaker 2: a little bit. Let's put the next one up there

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Speaker 2: on the screen, because that really hits it home. You

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Speaker 2: can see here that John Favreau, Obama's former speechwriter, pod

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Speaker 2: save bro himself. He pretty much walks it back. He says,

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to say it again. I love Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: He's saved democracy in twenty twenty. His legislative record is

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Speaker 2: arguably the most consequential of any president, including my former boss.

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Speaker 2: And right now there is nothing more important than defeating Trump.

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Speaker 2: It seems like Biden and his team think that despite

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Speaker 2: what we all saw, the president is the best candidate

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Speaker 2: to do that. Like we have said on the pod,

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Speaker 2: that's their call, and if they stick with it, we'll

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Speaker 2: certainly keep doing everything humanly possible to help re elect

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Speaker 2: the president, including encouraging hundreds of thousands of volunteers who

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Speaker 2: helped elect Biden again to donate their time money to

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Speaker 2: winning in November. Stakes are too high to do anything else,

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Speaker 2: so they even walk it back. You're also seeing an

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Speaker 2: incredible effort by the Biden campaign to shut down voters

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Speaker 2: themselves expressing concern about the age. Let's put this up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen. You see here. Views from the

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Speaker 2: New York Times, where New York Times reporter Simon Levian

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Speaker 2: went to a Las Vegas rally for Vice President Harris

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Speaker 2: At that he was followed a route by a Nevada

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Speaker 2: Biden campaign staffer and twice asked that voters and their interviews.

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Speaker 2: When comments began to turn critical of Biden, one undecided

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Speaker 2: voter said he wished that Biden would step aside and

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Speaker 2: let Kamala be the presidential nominee. The staffer immediately interrupted, saying,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to stop that here. Sorry, if I can,

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Speaker 2: it's a Biden event? Is that okay? No, it's not okay, lady,

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Speaker 2: I don't know Xac or miss mister. I don't know

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Speaker 2: who the hell you think you are. You don't shut

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Speaker 2: down voters who are attending your campaign event talking to

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Speaker 2: the press of their own free will. If you want

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Speaker 2: a press conference or you want to control, you're welcome

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Speaker 2: to put your candidate up. Otherwise, who do you think

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Speaker 2: you are shutting down? Voters themselves, people who support you

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Speaker 2: allegedly or at least support your party from expressing their beliefs.

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Speaker 2: But that's what the modern Democratic Party really is all about.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the next part. As I alluded to,

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Speaker 2: President Biden's family is urging him to stay in the race.

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Speaker 2: The strongest voice is the literal crack addict Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 2: I would just say, you know, whenever your closest advisor

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Speaker 2: is a genuine is a genuine person addicted to crack cocaine,

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Speaker 2: and your son with a direct financial interests, probably not

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Speaker 2: the best person to rely on. And then finally, whenever

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Speaker 2: it comes to all of this, it's just a validation

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Speaker 2: of so many of the things that we've brought you

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Speaker 2: on the show from the moments of the G seven,

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Speaker 2: from all of the reporting from behind the scenes, this

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Speaker 2: is one where I just had to take a small

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Speaker 2: victory lap before we get to our interview with Alex Thompson.

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Speaker 3: Put this up there.

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Speaker 2: We have elevated reporting like this now for years about

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes, people who have interacted with Biden at

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Speaker 2: the highest levels, including more recently at the G seven,

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Speaker 2: saying he is the worst he has ever been. The

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Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal, which was viciously attacked by Morning Joe,

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Speaker 2: by the mainstream media and others, for reporting the obvious

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Speaker 2: that Biden behind the scenes has lost a step and

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Speaker 2: shocks people for exposing many of the people who are

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Speaker 2: on the record, like KJP, his press secretary, say I

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Speaker 2: can barely keep up with him and the young people.

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Speaker 2: It's so difficult to even keep up with his step.

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Speaker 2: Everything has been validated that we have brought here, but

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Speaker 2: it is clear that people are bending the knee and

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Speaker 2: they will go along with this gamble, perhaps one of

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Speaker 2: the most colossal gambles in modern American history to take

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Speaker 2: somebody so lacking for the job and to basically try

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Speaker 2: and drag him across the finish line, and that's a

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Speaker 2: good place to actually bring in our next guest, Alex Thompson.

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Speaker 2: Alex Thompson, let's get to it. Joining us now is

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Speaker 2: Alex Thompson. He's a national political correspondent for Axios and

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Speaker 2: perhaps one of the best reporters here in the DC area.

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Speaker 3: Alex, thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Great to be.

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Speaker 3: Here, absolutely so. Alex. You have been really at the forefront.

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Speaker 2: You've been appearing everywhere lately because you've been covering Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden's ins and outs now for several years, perhaps one

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Speaker 2: of the best sourced reporters in that White House, and

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Speaker 2: you have a deeply reported story here which has really

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Speaker 2: caught a lot of our attention. Let's put this up

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Speaker 2: there on the screen, and this one is from ten

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Speaker 2: am to four pm. Biden quote is dependently engage in

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Speaker 2: many of his public events in front of the cameras

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Speaker 2: are held within those hours. Outside of that time range,

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Speaker 2: or while traveling abroad, the other Biden is more likely

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Speaker 2: to emerge, have verbal miscues and become fatigued. Alex, can

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Speaker 2: you just tell us a little bit more behind the scenes,

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Speaker 2: what you learn some of the ways that aids and

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Speaker 2: perhaps even the White House resident staff have been kept

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Speaker 2: away from the president because those details are pretty shocking

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Speaker 2: to us.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Absolutely, it's sort of the story of the two Biden's

741
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Speaker 15: now aids it basically within the White House have begun

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Speaker 15: adapting around his limitations, and so, you know, for what

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Speaker 15: and and part of the reason why this was such

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Speaker 15: a shock to so many White House staffers the debate

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Speaker 15: performance on Thursday is because they didn't really see him

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Speaker 15: with great frequency. Biden's inner circle that he sees on

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Speaker 15: a day to day basis, in a close in close

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Speaker 15: quarters is really only about twenty people.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 15: Of course, people come in and out, which is why,

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Speaker 15: you know, and sometimes they would see a verbal gaff

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Speaker 15: here or there. You know, one person recounted that, you know,

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Speaker 15: Biden had was talking about calling the mother of a congresswoman,

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Speaker 15: and then the AID had to remind them that he

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Speaker 15: had called He had actually already called them a few

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Speaker 15: weeks ago. But you know, those are sort of brain

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Speaker 15: farts that you know, could be dismissed as one offs.

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Speaker 6: And but but because.

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Speaker 15: The circle was so small, they didn't really realize the

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Speaker 15: significance of how much he had slipped, and so there's

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Speaker 15: really a lot of both this sadness about what this

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Speaker 15: can mean for the election, for potentially Donald Trump coming

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Speaker 15: back to the White House. There's also anger and feeling

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Speaker 15: that the top of the White House had gas lit,

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Speaker 15: not just reporters, not just Democrats, not just donors, but

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Speaker 15: even people on their own staff. And one example of

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Speaker 15: this you just mentioned it was the residence staff. So

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Speaker 15: I feel this is emblematic of how closely held, you know,

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Speaker 15: and sort of protected by this inner circle that Biden

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Speaker 15: was now. The residence staff is, you know, in every

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Speaker 15: White House basically just takes care of everything. They make

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Speaker 15: the bed, they change the clothes, do laundry, et cetera.

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Speaker 6: They're sort of everywhere.

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Speaker 15: But within this Biden White House, the residence staff has

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Speaker 15: been kept very much at arm's length. They are sent

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Speaker 15: home early at times. They there there is a deep

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Speaker 15: division within them and really the residents. The residence staff

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Speaker 15: is sort of either rolled by or kept a distance

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Speaker 15: by by the First Lady's office in particular one aid

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Speaker 15: in particular Jill Biden's longtime top eid Anthony.

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Speaker 3: Bernall Wow Alex.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that really caught my attention is

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Speaker 2: because you've been reporting on this for so long, you've

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Speaker 2: actually had the courage to write about some of these

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Speaker 2: moments where Biden does not appear all of himself behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes. Can you talk to us what it's been

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Speaker 2: like over the last several years to have the White

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Speaker 2: House push back on any story that you may write

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Speaker 2: about Biden's age and his limitations.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's not been fun.

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Speaker 15: I mean, no one likes to get in a fight

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Speaker 15: with the White House, and you know, at times I

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Speaker 15: felt a little bit out there on a limb, even

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Speaker 15: though I felt very confident in the reporting. I think

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Speaker 15: it's just naturally you look around and see, well, other

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Speaker 15: people aren't writing it as much as well. And you know,

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Speaker 15: part of that is because the White House comms to me,

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Speaker 15: I think has been very effective by being able to

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Speaker 15: push back on these stories by inserting sort of well,

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Speaker 15: Trump did you know, crazy things with his schedule too,

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Speaker 15: and watch TV all the time, didn't seem as energetic,

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Speaker 15: which is fine. I think those are fair details to

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Speaker 15: point out about Donald Trump and his limitations to at

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Speaker 15: his age. But the thing that I always thought about

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Speaker 15: is that when he started declaring for reelection, I thought

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Speaker 15: of the age issue, not as whether or not it

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Speaker 15: was going to hurt him or help him in November,

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Speaker 15: but like, let's look at how this will hurt or

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Speaker 15: help him in twenty twenty nine when he will still

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Speaker 15: be president. And I've always just said, and that I

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Speaker 15: think I said it yesterday.

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Speaker 6: There is more to being president than not being Donald Trump.

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Speaker 15: And as you saw the White House take steps to

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Speaker 15: manage him, to manage his limitations, I just thought it

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Speaker 15: was really important to point it out, given that he

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Speaker 15: was asking.

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Speaker 6: For four more years.

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Speaker 2: And Alex, what has it also been like behind so

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Speaker 2: I covered Donald Trump? He was arguably one of the

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Speaker 2: most accessible presidents. We were always at the rope line.

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Speaker 2: We could ask him whatever we wanted. Pretty much anybody

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Speaker 2: who really wanted one and works the system could get

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Speaker 2: into the Oval for a multi forty five minute, one

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Speaker 2: hour long interview. As somebody who has been covering him

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Speaker 2: so up close, what has it been like to basically

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Speaker 2: been stonewalled and to be kept away from the president

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Speaker 2: like this?

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Speaker 15: The press has had less access and you know, in

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Speaker 15: a when you're talking about sort of sustained, lengthy interview style,

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Speaker 15: you know, sort of question and answering this president. This

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Speaker 15: White House has limited press access to the president more

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Speaker 15: than any president in several decades. I'll give you just

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Speaker 15: like a few examples here this This president has never

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Speaker 15: done sit down with the New York Times, with the

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Speaker 15: Washington Post, with the Wall Street Journal, even with Reuters,

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Speaker 15: let alone places like Axios or Politico. He very rarely

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Speaker 15: does sustain sit down interviews. That has changed just a

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Speaker 15: little bit in the last month or two. You saw

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Speaker 15: him sit down with ABC, you saw him sit down

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Speaker 15: with with Time magazine.

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Speaker 6: But those are the exceptions to the rule.

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Speaker 15: You even saw them obviously just a few months ago

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Speaker 15: turned down the Super Bowl interview, which really they struck

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Speaker 15: so many as odd, especially with the race so close.

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Speaker 15: You would think you'd want to reach tens of millions

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Speaker 15: of people to make your case, but they turned it down.

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Speaker 15: So it really has been just in the background, this

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Speaker 15: extraordinary closing off by the president, which also made it

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Speaker 15: harder to report on his age.

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Speaker 2: And Alex just in general, because you know this man,

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Speaker 2: you watched and reported on all the people around him.

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Speaker 2: There's been so much discussion about get him getting out

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Speaker 2: of the race, and of course the Obama's going to

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Speaker 2: be influential Bill Clinton. But there's been a lot of

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Speaker 2: reporting now about this weekend meeting that happened at Camp

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Speaker 2: David with Biden's family. How do you see the dynamics

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Speaker 2: here at play in keeping him in the race and

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Speaker 2: the people who Biden actually listens to, what are they

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Speaker 2: thinking and saying to the best of your knowledge.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, the people that are he's closest to are telling

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Speaker 15: him he should keep stay in, keep fighting, that he's

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Speaker 15: been counted out before, he's gotten back up and he's

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Speaker 15: defied the odds. And you know, those people are his

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Speaker 15: family and those very very close aides bearing near him.

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Speaker 15: You know, the Biden political operation has always been a

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Speaker 15: family affair going back to nineteen seventy two, and his

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Speaker 15: sister ran his campaign, ran every single campaign until this

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Speaker 15: last one. His most influential advisors are always going to

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Speaker 15: be his family and they want him to stay in.

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Speaker 15: So it's going to be really interesting to see once

871
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 15: we get really fresh polling. We've only seen like one

872
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 15: CBS poll that should you are more concerned about the

873
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 15: age now. The July fourth weekend will make it a

874
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 15: little bit more difficult, so we may not have a

875
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 15: lot of good polls until sometime next week and the

876
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 15: polling is gonna perhaps determine don't to freak out and

877
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 15: the other thing that's that's you know, at least I'm

878
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 15: chasing and other people are chasing. Is really digging in

879
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 15: about well Thursday night was probably at the first time

880
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 15: he's acted this way, right, So trying to really get

881
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 15: go behind the scenes of the White House and see

882
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 15: if there are more details that we have not yet uncovered.

883
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sure they are.

884
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: My last question for you, Alex is the emerging kind

885
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: of cope from my at least view is by Jim

886
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 2: Clyburn and others, is preparation overload. It's their blaming Biden aids.

887
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: First of all, how do those aids feel about that?

888
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: And then second, what changes do you expect the campaign

889
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: to make internally or perhaps to the White House staff

890
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: for preparation the next debate around if he does commit

891
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: to that?

892
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 15: Interesting well, I think, you know, I think some of

893
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 15: the staffords an obiviously talked to the Washington Post yesterday,

894
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 15: which you know, I think they felt that the debate

895
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 15: prep actually went well. I can tell you that they

896
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 15: were telling people before the debate that they were feeling

897
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 15: pretty optimistic. They're feeling pretty loose. They felt, you know,

898
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 15: it wasn't that he was knocking out of the park,

899
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 15: but he was hitting singles and doubles and he was fine.

900
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 15: They thought it would just basically in some ways maybe

901
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 15: even just be a draw. You know, the Dibiden that

902
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 15: showed up really surprised a lot of people that were

903
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 15: at debate prep. Now, you know, it's very usible that

904
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 15: they miscalculated by having you know, stuffing him with fax

905
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 15: and they should have just like let him rest that

906
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 15: the debate was more about vitality than actually what he said,

907
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 15: which is sort of what happened at the State of

908
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 15: the Union. But also, you know, it's it's easier to

909
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 15: blame the staff when ultimately there was only one person

910
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 15: on that stage and it was Joe Biden.

911
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: We really appreciate your insight here, Alex. Welcome back on

912
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: the show anytime and we'll see you later.

913
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 6: Thanks man.

914
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 2: Shifting gears now and referencing something that Alex just brought

915
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 2: up in that interview is the poll. CBS News put

916
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: a major poll into the field about President Biden and

917
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: how voters are reacting to his age, and shocker, it

918
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 2: is not great, Let's put this up there on the screen.

919
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: Does Biden have the mental and cognitive health to serve

920
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: as president? This is cognitive voter registered voters does twenty

921
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 2: seven percent for Biden Trump fifty percent does not, seventy

922
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: two percent for Biden, forty nine percent for Trump. So

923
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: basically half for Trump, vast majority for people more than

924
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: almost three fourths saying that Biden does not have the

925
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 2: cognitive help. I'd really like to meet those twenty seven percent.

926
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: I always forget about the number of old people in

927
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: this country. Let's go to the next part. Please, we

928
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: can put that one up on the screen. At the debate,

929
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: which candidate quote presented ideas clearly twenty one percent, Biden

930
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: forty seven percent, Trump appeared presidential twenty eight percent, Biden

931
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 2: forty six percent, Trump inspired confidence eighteen percent, Biden forty

932
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: four percent, Trump explained plans and policies thirty five percent,

933
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: Biden forty three percent Trump.

934
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: My biggest takeaway from this one, guys.

935
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: Is Trump is not exactly hitting you know, majorities or

936
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: even home runs here. He's just doing basic singles and

937
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: doubles for the people who already support him. It's just

938
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: that Biden did so poorly that Trump looks like a

939
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: Grand Slam champion in comparison. Let's go to the next

940
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: part here. This is honestly the craziest one. Should Biden

941
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 2: be running for president? Should is twenty eight percent. It

942
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: was thirty seven percent in February of twenty twenty four,

943
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: not that long ago.

944
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: Should not sixty three percent in February.

945
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: Now at a full on seventy two percent, so the

946
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: vast majority of people saying no, he should not be running.

947
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: Here only a quarter of Americans even believe that he should.

948
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: Let's continue down the line. Should Biden be running for president?

949
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: This is amongst Democrats. Should currently fifty four percent, So

950
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 2: still you know, slight majority, but you've got a full

951
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: forty six who say that he should not. And previously

952
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: it was two thirds of Democrats in February who said

953
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 2: he should and only thirty six percent who said that

954
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 2: he should not. So when we combine all of this

955
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: stuff together, we really just see like how much of

956
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 2: a disaster of this entire thing is. And then finally

957
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: let's go to the next part. Why shouldn't Biden be

958
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: running for president? And the number one answer amongst people who.

959
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: Say that he shouldn't.

960
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: Is his age eighty six percent, his age seventy one

961
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: percent say decisions he might make in office, sixty six

962
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: percent his record as president, and hit fifty nine percent

963
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: in his ability to campaign effectively. I mean, if we

964
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 2: put all of that stuff together, what we really see

965
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: here is that this is the single most defining issue

966
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: for Americans for Joe Biden. It's not about the policies,

967
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: it's not about anything else. It actually reminds me and

968
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: I talked a little bit about this before the debate.

969
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: Ahead of the nineteen eighty four election, there was a

970
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 2: similar there was a similar conversation in this country, is

971
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: the sixty something year old Ronald Reagan too old to

972
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: be elected president? And there was a famous moment Roger Ayles,

973
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 2: the eventual chairman of Fox News, who is an advisor

974
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: of Reagan, really just brings it to brass tacks and

975
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: he's like, mister President, the American people just want to

976
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: know one thing, are you too damn old or not

977
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: to be running for president? And Reagan understood that so

978
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: clearly going in He said, I just need to be

979
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 2: cool and breezy, and the people elected me in nineteen

980
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 2: eighty But I've got to address this age thing in

981
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: a fun and a playful way. And he has that

982
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: moment where he says, I will not use my opponent's

983
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: youth inexperience against him. It was great because a show

984
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 2: that he was up to it. He's got the cognitive

985
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: ability to handle the job. He's funny. He even makes

986
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 2: Walter mondel laught and the moderator themselves and boom. Basically,

987
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 2: the conversation was over for the American people, and for

988
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: the debate and for the media. Biden had a very

989
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: similar mandate coming into this that was it. The only

990
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: single question is a vital enough to handle it? And

991
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: I would say if you look back at our predictions

992
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: ahead of the time, there was decent enough evidence that

993
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: at the big moments he mostly comes to play. What

994
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: we now find out, though, is that because those are

995
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: so scripted and so managed, is that the disparity between

996
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: the scripted Biden and any level of uncertainty or chaos

997
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: has reduced him to a husk of his former self.

998
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 2: And that's what the American people really saw on debate night,

999
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: which is shocking and crazy because that means that that's

1000
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 2: what it's like. Let's say in the middle of a crisis.

1001
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 2: Let's say, not between the hours of ten am to

1002
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 2: four pm. Let's say exactly how and what it is

1003
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: like to be president and have the hardest job in

1004
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: the entire world. It also validates the single biggest criticism

1005
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: and concern about the Biden presidency. Age almost two years now,

1006
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: vast majority of Americans say, I think he is too

1007
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 2: old to be president. Even in the scripted, the off

1008
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: the cuff moments, there have been enough clips that.

1009
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 3: Have emerged that people are going, I don't know how

1010
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 3: I feel about this one.

1011
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 2: You saw it in some of those press conferences by

1012
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: the Afghanistan press conference, for example. You see it in

1013
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 2: a few of these weird moments that happen to be caught.

1014
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: The g seven is just enough few reporting anecdotes that

1015
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: are out there about how he's not really all the

1016
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: way with it behind the scenes, and then it just

1017
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: bursts out to become I think the most defining image

1018
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: of the man.

1019
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 3: It will endure for all time.

1020
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: He could come out and like knock out Donald Trump,

1021
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: take a full course of tr or whatever, and he's

1022
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: still I think would be defined by that presidential debate.

1023
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: Because it was a concern that so many people had

1024
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: for so long, and it's very rare, honestly in this

1025
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: business for somebody to deliver just such a horrible and horrific,

1026
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: you know, a horrific presentation. Most people don't rise to

1027
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: this level and really be that bad. It's actually pretty tough,

1028
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: as the White House has shown to actually cover up

1029
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: things to this extent.

1030
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 3: And it was a perfect storm.

1031
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: It was the media offering excuse after excuse, it was

1032
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 2: lesser of two evils argument, it was a White House staff,

1033
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: and also Trump sucking a lot of the oxygen out

1034
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 2: of the room. I would say this is actually one

1035
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: of the first times in a long time that Trump

1036
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: is not the first main story in this country. And

1037
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: that's part of the reason too, that this is very

1038
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 2: much to Biden's detriment. So, as Alex alluded to in

1039
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: our polling in our previous segment, we'll see, we got

1040
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: to wait and actually watch what happens with some of

1041
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: these polls. July four is going to shake some of

1042
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: it up. But I per with the media coverage of this,

1043
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: with what everybody saw, it is just going to be

1044
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 2: annihilation already. Actually, as a piece of reporting, probably talk

1045
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: a little bit more about this. Tomorrow, Gretchen Whitmer, the

1046
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 2: governor of Michigan, called up gen O'Malley Dylan, the campaign

1047
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: manager for Biden, and said, Michigan is gone after the

1048
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: Biden debate performance and a lot of this gaza outrage.

1049
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: It's over in the state of Michigan.

1050
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: Recall that was a state that Trump won in twenty sixteen,

1051
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: critical to his election, also critical to the so called

1052
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: blue Wall hypothesis, and if you include Georgia, Arizona, Nevada

1053
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 2: there in the Trump column, I think.

1054
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 3: That is all pretty clear.

1055
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: Let's turn now to the French election, something we don't

1056
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 2: want to keep our eye off of and which you've

1057
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: anticipated a long time here on breaking points. Absolutely stunning

1058
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: results for history here, but perhaps not because of the polls.

1059
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

1060
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: The French legislative election has happened and the far right

1061
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 2: won the first round. Mccrone's party suffered a absolutely devastating loss.

1062
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 2: So the National Rally Party has one now quote a

1063
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: crushing victory in the first round of voting for the

1064
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: French National Assembly, basically bringing this nationalist party to the

1065
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 2: brink of victory for the first time in decades. So

1066
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: the official results from the French Interior Ministry says that

1067
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 2: the right wing coalition one about thirty three percent of

1068
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 2: the vote. Macrone's party and its allies took about twenty

1069
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 2: percent to end in the third place, the coalition of

1070
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 2: left wing parties called the New Popular Front one about

1071
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 2: twenty eight percent of the vote. These are like moderate

1072
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: socialists and others. The reason why this is very important

1073
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 2: is it shows us that the political center has been

1074
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 2: absolutely destroyed in France. That's really what Macrone was gambling on.

1075
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 2: You take elements of the left and the right, you

1076
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 2: cobble it all together here. Now voters are making it

1077
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 2: clear they're like, no, no, no, no, we are done with

1078
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 2: that Macronism, jubiterarianism, compromise, ETC's over. We're either going left

1079
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 2: or right and that's it. So this is a bit

1080
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 2: complicated because in France it's a multiple round election and

1081
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: there will now be a runoff. Now, in those runoffs

1082
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: you can have up to three parties, which means that

1083
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 2: you will have the far right, you will have the

1084
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: left wing coalition, and then you'll have the Macrone coalition.

1085
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Speaker 2: Now there's actually an even more further left coalition. They

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00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: have decided to drop out and to endorse the left

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00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: wing coalition, meaning that there will be three now in

1088
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: the actual results themselves, the way that it all worked out,

1089
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 2: we can put this financial time story up on the screen.

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00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: They are trying to decide exactly what they're going to do,

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00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 2: so to explain here, aut of all of the districts

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00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 2: that were counted, the right wing finished first in two

1093
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety six constituencies out of five hundred and

1094
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: seventy seven.

1095
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: Think of it like seats in Congress.

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00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: While the left wing got one hundred and fifty and

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00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: then Macron's party sixty. There are sixty five constituencies where

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00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: there will be two way runoffs between the right and

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00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 2: the left. The party needs two hundred and eighty nine

1100
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: seats for an outright majority. Okay, an outright majority. Now,

1101
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: the Macrone party needs to decide whether it will drop

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00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: out and endorse the left wing coalition, making it a

1103
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: two way race and probably at least somewhat guaranteeing that

1104
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 2: the left wing will take power or not. But they

1105
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 2: have decided not to do this on a party wide basis. Instead,

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00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: they say they will quote make case by case decisions

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00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: based on whether a left wing candidate was compatible with

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00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: Republican values.

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00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 3: But they will not exclude any party.

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00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 2: Now again this means that in some seats they may

1111
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 2: drop out, in others they may not. But Macron and

1112
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: his party really have a decision to make, because who

1113
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 2: the hell are they going to back when they only

1114
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 2: got third They got some twenty seven twenty percent of

1115
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: the vote, The right wing coalitions get thirty three percent

1116
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: of the vote, left wings getting twenty eight. Keep in

1117
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: mind also massive turnout in France right, I mean sixty

1118
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: seven percent of people coming out to vote in this

1119
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: snap election. And I will say this, what it does,

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00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: at least inform for us is it shows us people

1121
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 2: are done, at least in France with compromised politics. Now

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00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 2: what does that mean perhaps for us think back to

1123
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. You have a Modi who wins in India,

1124
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: destroys the centrist coalition in India basically for all time,

1125
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: at least up until now. He still wins a non

1126
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: precedented third term, even if it is somewhat of a

1127
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: compromised government. Then twenty fifteen you have the destruction of

1128
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 2: the European Union consensus in the UK, the neoliberal elite.

1129
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: Basically David Cameron calls this election, he has no idea

1130
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen in this referendum. He thinks he's gonna win,

1131
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: and then boom, Brexit happens and they decide to withdraw

1132
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 2: and it shakes up politics again. To this day, Rishi

1133
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: Sunac has fallen. Rishi Sunac, Boris Johnson and Teresa May

1134
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: the Tory part basically getting destroyed. Now at this point,

1135
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: poised for a historic defeat. They two are going down

1136
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 2: and there is now some weird coalition of centrism Labor

1137
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: Party but anti Brexit and acknowledging where the country is today.

1138
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 2: So there's that. It basically royaled politics there. Then you

1139
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: had the election of Donald Trump here in twenty sixteen,

1140
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 2: and then in recent times we've watched a lot of

1141
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: stuff happen to the French election, just the latest in

1142
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 2: the rise of right wing parties across Europe, from the

1143
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: AfD now surging in Germany, Maloney's victory in Italy, and

1144
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: also the brand of I would say nationalism embodied by

1145
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: Victor orbn in Hungary, which originally was very isolated by

1146
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 2: the neoliberal elite of the European Union becoming much more normalized.

1147
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 2: I also forgot about Nigel Faraj, who is himself mounting

1148
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 2: a candidacy in the UK and by all accounts a

1149
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 2: lot more popular, or at least as popular as it

1150
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: has been since the Brexit days of twenty fifteen, perhaps

1151
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 2: one of the most most important figures in all of that.

1152
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 2: So what does that mean then for us, Well, here

1153
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: we have the double whammy of both the unpopularity of

1154
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 2: the neoliberal elite here embodied really by Joe Biden and

1155
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 2: his candidacy, on top of the collapse of his own

1156
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: personal brand with his age, and then you see this

1157
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 2: hollowed out elite of Obama and Bill Clinton. What we

1158
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: spend so much of our early time on the show

1159
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: basically saying it's lesser of two evils, guys, there's nothing

1160
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 2: that we can do. So eventually, no matter what happens

1161
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 2: in France, whether it's the left wing that takes power

1162
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: or the right wing because of macron'sone narcissism, the destruction

1163
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 2: of the center is itself. I think the central political

1164
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: story of now the twenty twenties. Biden himself, it looks

1165
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 2: more like an aberration than the rule, and I think

1166
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 2: increasingly that's the way that we are going to look

1167
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 2: back on a royaling political decade, and the same way

1168
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: that we do back in the nineteen seventies. In some ways,

1169
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 2: we have a lot of the same characteristics, even the

1170
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: rise of leftism in France, if we want to go

1171
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 2: back and think about the international context and also in

1172
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: terms of retrenchment in terms of America's position abroad. So

1173
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: there's big questions that have to be asked now for

1174
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,919
Speaker 2: Europe about who are they? You know, this would shake

1175
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: up dramatically. France is a bedrock of the European Union.

1176
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: Macron is like the biggest EU guy that there is.

1177
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: He wants an EU army, EU foreign policy. He's been

1178
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 2: pushing a much more hawkist position towards Russia in the

1179
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: Ukraine warrant that's going to have major consequences. The La

1180
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 2: Penn Party historically has always been a lot closer to Russia.

1181
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: They apparently also would change their policy visa Vigaza, So

1182
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 2: that could change things in terms of becoming more right wing,

1183
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 2: more sympathetic to Israel in that conflict. It could change

1184
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: things also in terms of our own politics about what

1185
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: those trade disputes and all that will look like if

1186
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 2: they perhaps be more sympathetic to the nationalist trade ideology

1187
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: which has been bipartisan here in Washington. So there's major implications,

1188
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: I think, for the entire continent and for our own elections.

1189
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 2: But we will watch and we will see and update

1190
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: you on that analysis. In the meantime, we've got Glenn Greenwald.

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01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 2: He's going to join me now to talk about the

1192
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 2: media and Joe Biden. Very excited now to be joined

1193
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 2: by my friend Glenn Greenwald. Crystal was out of the show,

1194
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 2: and I said, who is the best possible person that

1195
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: I could talk to, and of course it is Glenn

1196
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 2: here for his reaction to the debate, I appreciate you

1197
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 2: very much for joining me.

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01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 3: Thanks Glenn.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, happy to be here.

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Speaker 16: You know, I've had a long standing plan to overthrow

1201
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 16: Crystal and take our job. So hopefully this is my

1202
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 16: audition for that. Very excited, let's see how it goes.

1203
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: Let's let's see how it is. We'll audition you for sure, Glenn.

1204
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 2: You and I were just giggling literally before this segment,

1205
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: because there is something just so delicious about both of us.

1206
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 2: Constantly just looking at the way that the media has

1207
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 2: been covering up for Joe Biden now and for it

1208
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 2: to just come crashing down in front of their faces,

1209
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: to expose them, honestly is even bigger liars than we

1210
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 2: had seen before.

1211
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 3: Has just been an amazing moment.

1212
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: So, I mean, now we're forty eight hours in or

1213
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: so into this, what is in your takeaway so far

1214
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: from the way that these people carried themselves for so long.

1215
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 16: I think it's really important to remember that the people

1216
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 16: who first raised concerns about Joe Biden's cognitive decline in

1217
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 16: cognitive inabilities were people speaking in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen,

1218
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 16: and these were Democratic Party operatives, insiders very worried that

1219
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 16: Biden was going to get the nomination kind of by

1220
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 16: default because he was by Obama side, and thought they

1221
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 16: had this whole team of glittery new candidates who would

1222
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 16: do much better, and they were trying to warn people,

1223
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 16: including in public, this is not the same Biden. He's

1224
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 16: lost his fastball, you know, using all these words, and

1225
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 16: it was a main theme of attack by people like

1226
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 16: Cory Booker and Julian Castro who are running against him.

1227
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 16: When they would say things to him all the time, like, hey, Joe,

1228
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 16: did you just forget what you said two minutes ago?

1229
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 16: It seems like you forgot what you just said. This

1230
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 16: has been in the air for five years, and then

1231
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 16: once Biden got the nomination, it then became prohibited to

1232
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 16: raise it. The minute you raised it, they said, oh,

1233
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 16: that's a Sander supporter or a Maga fanatic attacking the.

1234
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 5: Character of this good man.

1235
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 16: But also there's been reporting, you know, over the last year,

1236
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 16: including in the Wall Street Journal just a month ago,

1237
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 16: that was very deeply reported about how oftentimes the meetings

1238
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 16: Joe Biden just kind of zunks out, He kind of disappears,

1239
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 16: he disorients, you can't hear what he's saying.

1240
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 5: What he is saying is nonsensical.

1241
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 16: And the idea that anybody in media was shocked to

1242
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 16: see this version of Joe Biden on the debate stage

1243
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 16: is so such an insult to our intelligence. And that's

1244
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 16: especially true given that Americans, ordinary Americans, plugged into nothing

1245
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 16: and nobody have been saying this for years that they

1246
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 16: could see this with Joe Biden. So the media behind

1247
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 16: wants you to believe that they were the last people

1248
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,439
Speaker 16: to see it. Of course, what happened is they got

1249
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 16: caught lying and hiding for him, attacking anybody who raised

1250
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 16: this over the last year as some sort of peddler

1251
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 16: of disinformation, and they were forced to admit what everybody

1252
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 16: saw because even they were their tiny creditibility couldn't deny

1253
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 16: it any longer. And now you have all these fraudulent

1254
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 16: narratives circulating about, oh my god, how this happened and

1255
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 16: who was to blame. They're all to blame the Democratic Party,

1256
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 16: the Biden White House is closing his aids, and especially

1257
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 16: to corporate media who was aligned with it.

1258
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 2: Yes, and you have always been the best at surfacing

1259
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 2: that clip of Andrea Mitchell in twenty nineteen who was

1260
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 2: asking openly about Biden's age, and then six months later

1261
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 2: it's actually a stutter that only happened to materialize when

1262
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: he was seventy nine years old. From childhood, was dormant

1263
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 2: all of the years that we all watched hims front

1264
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 2: and center in politics. And what we watch especially is

1265
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: people like Joe Scarborough and others who perhaps just have

1266
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 2: no shame, I mean, three weeks ago telling us that

1267
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,439
Speaker 2: he was the most cogent of any more than any

1268
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: house speaker even than Kevin McCarthy. And then now he's

1269
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: willing to say, actually he should drop out, and they're

1270
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: you know, at a certain point, Glenn, this is my wonder.

1271
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 2: Is this just a flash in the pan of the

1272
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 2: way that Andrea Mitchell was in twenty nineteen. Are we

1273
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 2: all just going to forget about this as it becomes

1274
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 2: clearer that the Biden that Biden is going to stay

1275
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,479
Speaker 2: in the race, or was this actually a shattered break

1276
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 2: the glass moment for the media when we get somewhat

1277
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 2: fair coverage.

1278
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 3: I'm curious what you.

1279
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 16: Think my view originally in the twenty four hours out

1280
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 16: of this debate, when all of the media were clearly

1281
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 16: rattled and worse, And they were rattled and worse because

1282
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 16: the people who they usually listened to who tell them

1283
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 16: what they say, which are Democratic Party operatives and the

1284
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 16: Hill and Democratic Party funders and operatives and elected they

1285
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 16: were telling them, oh, this is panic mode, and so

1286
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 16: they were just.

1287
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 5: Repeating what they were being told.

1288
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 16: I never believed and still do not believe that Joe

1289
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 16: Biden will leave the race voluntarily, because this is somebody

1290
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 16: who has never been a politician or anything else but

1291
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 16: a politician.

1292
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 5: His entire adult life.

1293
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,959
Speaker 16: He's been chasing this power and this title for fifty years.

1294
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 5: Soger. He first ran in nineteen eighty eight when he

1295
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 5: was forced out of the race for lying.

1296
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 16: And so I've always thought, well, look, once they realize

1297
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 16: Biden's gone not going anywhere, they're going to accept that

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Speaker 16: he's been on the knee and snap back into line.

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Speaker 16: The problem that they have now is that they've been

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Speaker 16: out there saying this for three days now. Biden must resigned.

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Speaker 16: The biggest media outlets in the world are saying it.

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Speaker 16: There's no way to undo that and just go back

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Speaker 16: to pretending, Oh, that was just one bad debate night.

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Speaker 5: In the scheme of things, he's still the person we

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Speaker 5: want in the Oval office. They're gonna try. I don't think.

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Speaker 5: I don't see how that could be done, though.

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Speaker 3: I don't see how it can be done either.

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Speaker 2: Another avenue that I've loved watching you come back is

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Speaker 2: everyone was like, it's real pity that Biden performed so poorly,

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Speaker 2: so we can't call out Trump's lies as if Biden

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Speaker 2: himself did not pervent look too massive lies on the

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Speaker 2: debate stage. Just to my knowledge, the first, perhaps most

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Speaker 2: disgusting one is denying that American troops did not die

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Speaker 2: under his watch when we both had those incidences in

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Speaker 2: Afghanistan and then most recently, those three American service members

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Speaker 2: who were killed in Jordan as a direct result of

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Speaker 2: his Israel and Iran policy.

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Speaker 16: I mean, how is it possible Joe Biden went to

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Speaker 16: the funerals of all of those people, those service members,

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Speaker 16: And it's not just.

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Speaker 5: One time that he might have forgot about it, It's multiple times.

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Speaker 16: And you know, on top of that, there were so

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Speaker 16: many lives that Joe Biden.

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Speaker 5: Defended as well.

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Speaker 16: You know, if you're Daniel Dallen, you're doing the little

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Speaker 16: administrative accounting accounting, maybe it's not quite as many, but

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Speaker 16: I mean, the thing is, Sager, you know, the way

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Speaker 16: they all talk about Joe Biden always a fundamentally good, honest,

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Speaker 16: and decent man. Joe Biden is somebody who's been lying

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Speaker 16: about his entire life and himself for decades, and he

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Speaker 16: still does it. He still tells the stories about how

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Speaker 16: he was arrested trying to see Nelson Mandela or arrested

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Speaker 16: from participating in the civil rights movement. He makes up

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Speaker 16: all kinds of stories about his family and himself, none

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Speaker 16: of which is ever true. He you know you, of

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Speaker 16: course Trump lies like a politician lives, but so does

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Speaker 16: Joe Biden. And the attempt they're trying to the narrative

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Speaker 16: they're trying to create is, oh, yes, Joe Biden may

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Speaker 16: have had a bad debate, or maybe he's even intellectually impaired,

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Speaker 16: but that's way way better than somebody who's an evil

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Speaker 16: threat to democracy and a fascistic glier. Because I think

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Speaker 16: that's the thing that they really have been telling themselves

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Speaker 16: for so long and now actually believe.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right. Yeah, I think they do believe that.

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Speaker 2: And that line you just said about he's a good

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Speaker 2: and a decent man is that he is a decent

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Speaker 2: in their view because he lies the correct way. He

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Speaker 2: lies about the things that you're supposed to lie about.

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Speaker 2: He lies just by the policies that they believe in,

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Speaker 2: and then they smear anybody who doesn't believe that with

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Speaker 2: that level of misinformation and more. Is one where I

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Speaker 2: just can't help but come back to what you originally

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Speaker 2: said about how we are going to get to this

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Speaker 2: point where they're going to try and they're going to

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Speaker 2: try and bring us back to the lesser of two

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Speaker 2: evils argument, and the only question is just how much

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Speaker 2: credibility they're going to expend in the meantime. I think

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Speaker 2: my real question for you, Glenn is both in terms

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Speaker 2: of the Democratic operatives and their legitimacy is given the

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Speaker 2: way of how slavish they have followed MSNBC and others.

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Speaker 3: Is this going to be a breaking point for them.

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Speaker 2: Or do you think that they will actually think for

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Speaker 2: themselves whenever it comes to election day and he's on

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Speaker 2: the ballot.

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Speaker 16: I mean, I would put it more not that the

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Speaker 16: Democratic Party or the Biden white House follows MSNBC, But

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Speaker 16: then MSNBC and CNN are usually doing the bidding of

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Speaker 16: the Biden whites Hell's messaging, and here obviously they are not.

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Speaker 16: And I don't think there's any way for CNN and

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Speaker 16: MSNBC to go back to and undo what they've all

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Speaker 16: been saying for days, even they with the tiniest little

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Speaker 16: credibility that they have, that would be a step beyond

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Speaker 16: their level of shame, which is as close to zero

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Speaker 16: as possible. And I think that's the problem is how

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Speaker 16: do you rely on the people who have always lied

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Speaker 16: for you and shielded you and helped you. Which are

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Speaker 16: these media outlets to single mindedly devoted to defeating Donald

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Speaker 16: Trump on the one hand saying that you are too

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Speaker 16: mentally impaired to be the president, and on the other hand,

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Speaker 16: continuing to work with them or use them as your

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Speaker 16: primary media outlets when you know they've really gone very

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Speaker 16: far for days now in what it is that they've

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Speaker 16: been saying with multiple media outlets, but Biden's keenity oullies

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Speaker 16: saying he should withdraw from the race.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just such a shocking display here. I

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Speaker 2: am genuinely so excited to see how it all plays out.

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Speaker 2: And you are your feed and your show is the

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Speaker 2: first place that I turned to. So thank you so much,

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Speaker 2: Glenn for helping me fill time here.

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Speaker 3: At the desk. It's I would rather have nobody else but.

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Speaker 5: You, including Crystal.

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Speaker 13: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: I'm just kidding. We have a week off, Crystal. It

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Speaker 5: was a show. Always good to talk, good.

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Speaker 2: To see you man, Thank you, Thank you guys so

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Speaker 2: much for watching. I hope it was okay with me

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Speaker 2: doing solo. I'm trying my best here. It's pretty tough

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Speaker 2: without anybody to talk to, but I did my best.

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Speaker 2: I'll be back tomorrow with a similar show. Reminder, guys,

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Speaker 2: it is going to come out later than usual to

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Speaker 2: accommodate RFK junior schedule, But I am excited to talk

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Speaker 2: to him and hear from him about the race, about

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Speaker 2: the debate, and about how things are going to go

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Speaker 2: forward with his campaign. Stay tuned for that, and we'll

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Speaker 2: see you all tomorrow.