WEBVTT - Draft Show: Changing the Evaluation Process 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:09.560 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.360 room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep within 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:17.080 the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Frescope, 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:23.560 Dallas Cowboys like CD Lambs and now your hosts. Brian 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:31.760 brought us, David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, and Kyle Yeomans. I 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.440 don't think it ever really gets old hearing Brian brought 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:36.839 us exclaim in the open that they took him, they 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.959 took him Cede Lamb at seventeen and twenty twenty. But hey, 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:43.839 we're ninety nine days away from the NFL Draft. It's 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.560 officially double digits, and we've got a ton of draft 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.879 news to break down, as really the combine nixt yesterday. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.000 We're gonna talk it and break it all down here 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.560 for you on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:58.960 So glad you're along with us here on this Tuesday. 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.320 Hope you enjoyed a very fruitful and long weekend as well. 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.200 Bucky Brooks joining us, David Hellman, and then of course 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.280 the great Brian brought us who was in the open 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:09.920 there and Brian, you're you're wearing the LSU. I got 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:11.880 to watch a little trip. Brill Cox this week did 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.200 a little film study on him. I know, even Dave, 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.240 you're you're wearing some captain trade down gear. I can't 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.840 really see what Bucky's wearing, but I know it's probably 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.880 something that is along the lines of North Carolina. But no, no, 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.120 he's got to be a real TV guy today, So 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.720 he's got it right. He leaves this low paying job 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.120 to go to a better paying job, is what it is. 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:36.600 That makes a lot of sense. I would wear the 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.800 NFL shield if that were the case. To Bucky, I'm 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.559 right there with you. But I like the captain trade 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.440 down shirt. Dave. I mean, you're rocking it at the moment. 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.440 Does that mean you're officially on captain trade Doown's right hand? 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.240 I mean, are you on the horse next to him? 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:51.919 I mean, honestly, if you want me to be honest, 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.000 I just was in a rush to get dressed, and 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:55.640 my hair was a mess too, so I was like, 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.800 what can I put on that will be company acceptable? 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.200 So the draft T shirt and the Cowboys hat felt 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:04.760 like a good way to go. It's funny, Dave, you 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:08.080 know who you remind me of the way you dress 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:13.080 John Snyder, same thing John Snyder would always come into 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.400 meetings like he was just like you just got him 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:20.359 out of a bar. You know, I was not in 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.639 the bar aside, where's Michigan Baseball? Hat? A T shirt 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:25.960 and flip flops and jeans, And he'd come into meeting 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:28.720 and he'd knock you dead by setting the board up. 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:37.079 Then we're just we're just four bros talking drafts. Adequate. Hey, 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.919 at least he compared you to a GM and a 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.400 good one at that, instead of maybe a hobo. So 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:45.880 I guess that's a that's a huge upgrade for David 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.679 Helmet already. But well, guys, we do have to break 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:52.239 down some NFL combine news. And I mean, depending on 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.960 who you ask, it's sad or it's good, or it's 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:58.280 really it's really expected. It is probably the best way 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.480 to say it is expected overall, because yesterday the NFL 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:05.560 informed teams via a membo obtained by NFL Networks Tom 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:10.880 Pella Sero that the NFL counting combine is officially changing formats. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.680 No in person workouts the combline will instead take place 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.679 in the workouts at the combine will take place. I 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:22.400 had different colleges pro days the interviews and psychological testing 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.480 will be virtual, and there will be limited in personal 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.480 medical exams, which we all know by this point and 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.400 we've talked about it previously in other years that the 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.840 medical examinations are the most important part about the combine 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.320 for these front offices. But Bucky, this is the first 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.240 time that you haven't been out of combine since what 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:45.880 two thousand you were saying in the pre share twenty years. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.360 How is this going to change the way that this 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.040 draft is ultimately done just based off of the fact 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.640 that you don't have that evaluation week. Yeah, No, it'd 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.000 be vastly different. I know they're gonna do some virtual 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.520 interviews and dare take care of the metal stuff, but 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:02.800 it'd be first time the guys will really go without 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.040 the in person workhouse, and I know a lot of 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:07.960 times we don't place a lot of stock in that, 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.240 but it's the first time that coaches and some of 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.240 the scouts will have an opportunity to see some of 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.360 these top prospects. Because when you're in your area, you 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.479 know about your area, but you may not know what's 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.560 in other parts of the country, and so the exposure 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.000 will be a little different. It will put a lot 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.120 on these personnel departments to go out and to make 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.840 these pro day visits. There was a time where we 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.400 were seeing more people kind of scale back on some 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.600 of the pro DA attendants. Well, now you'll see general 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:38.040 managers and top personnel people criss crossing across the country 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.919 to get this done. So it will change the evaluation 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.840 process a lot, but the teams that really do their 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.279 due diligence on the tapework won't be adversely effective by 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.120 not being able to see these guys in person. Yeah, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:51.960 this is going to be a tough one for the guys. 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:53.720 You know, we always look at the combine is a 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:58.240 great way of gathering information and more importantly the medical information. 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.880 You know, these scouts can do a good job of 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.040 helping each other out when they go to these pro days, 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.000 you know, and the colleges over the years have done 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.960 a better job of scheduling them where they're in the 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:14.040 area where you don't have multiple pro days overlapping each other. 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.160 So the logistics and coordination of that is going to 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:20.280 be huge going forward. Though, I do worry about the 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.599 medical aspect of what's going to be about to happen Indianapolis. 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:27.640 With the hospitals they have the MRI tubes, all those 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.440 things that were available to these teams to be able 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.080 to get their medical information, you know, is now going 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.840 to have to go some other way. So maybe these 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.680 teams will the medical departments will set up and as 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:44.080 Bucky and Dave would know and Kyle is that, you know, 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:48.360 the the teams do share medical information. These doctors do 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.840 talk to each other and stuff like that. They're in 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.840 groups as they work. So if you know, you get 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.640 an organization where it says, okay, let's have the Texans, 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:02.040 the Cowboys, the Saints, the chief maybe have a centrally 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.960 located medical deal for them. Then they could share their 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:08.520 information with all the other teams and then they could 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.760 do it likewise around the country. So logistically it's it's 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.159 gonna be difficult. But the one thing that these NFL, 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.920 the Scouts personal departments have been able to do over 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.800 the years is adapt to whatever change they have to make. 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:27.320 I just this feels like this. I mean, I know, 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:29.400 you know, the big news, it's big news that the 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.680 format's changing, but it just honestly, it feels like another 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.280 challenge to what they were already facing. Like it just 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.840 it keeps happening to these scouts, like, this is going 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.160 to be such an unprecedented draft process because, like you know, 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.440 typically by the time you get here, you know, the 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.680 area scouts have watched these guys for a couple of years, 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.880 they've been on these school calls, they've talked to their sources, 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:57.480 they've been to games. None of that has necessarily happened 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.640 this year, Like you know, it's been harder to go 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:01.880 to the games, it's been harder to have access to 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.720 the college's facilities, it's been harder to get you know, 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.040 get a good grasp on these guys other than just 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.200 watching tape, which is nice, but none of that other 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:14.680 stuff is as easy to get, like like finding out 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:19.360 what type of guy a prospect is, knowing his background, 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.760 having some familiarity with him. And every year, every year now, 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.880 I mean to Brian's point, there are always guys that 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.520 have medical issues crop up at the combine, that is 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:33.040 a given, and then every year you can always tie 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.960 a team. You know, the combine is like maybe where 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.880 you make your first contact, where a team really decides 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.120 that they're interested in They're like, all right, we're gonna 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.000 do some private workouts with this guy. We're gonna have 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:45.480 them to the facility. You know, Dak Prescott is a 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.800 really famous one that was really where he first popped 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:53.080 up on the Cowboys radar, and and it's just it's 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.200 it's scary to think that they don't have access to 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.480 any of that stuff this year and you're basically going 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.920 to be going off of game tape and you know, 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:07.400 whatever zoom meetings you can schedule, and that's just that's 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.240 not a lot of information to go on. Well, yeah, 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.240 I think to me, also, the thing that is going 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.040 to be interesting is there a lot of these players 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:20.200 are going to facilities to work out to get ready 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.600 that we're going to get ready for the combine. And 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:27.080 you know, will the NFL allow scouts like Bucky Brooks 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.080 to go on the road and go to these facilities, 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:35.240 whether it's in Los Angeles, down in Florida, Tampa area wherever, Orlando. 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.520 Dallas has a big workout facility where a lot of 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.360 players go. You know, maybe that's the way that some 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:45.559 of these scouts, the area scouts get around having to 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.760 go to workouts and stuff, because you get these guys 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:53.400 that'll hold these pro days potentially at these workout facilities. 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.959 And if that's the case, maybe that'll maybe that'll alleviate 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.439 some of the problems that they might have getting to 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:03.400 the school as we get through the spring, you know, Runt, Yeah, 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:07.760 I want to bring this up real quick because like, 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:09.640 the combine kind of gets laughed at for a lot 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.559 of things, right, they talk about the unnecessary work. But 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.280 one thing that will come up is we won't have 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.600 official measurements on anybody like that will be a huge change, 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.480 and for teams that are really standardized in terms of 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.280 you have to hit certain benchmarks to be considered on 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:27.920 our team, like it changes. For so long we've heard 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.440 voices talking about, well, I don't understand why don't they 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.839 don't have laser times everywhere and scouts, old school scouts 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.600 have always said because lasers aren't portable. My stopwatch is portable. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:39.720 That's why I go about my time because I can 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.400 take that anywhere and I know what that is where. Now, 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.599 without official times at the combine, without being able to 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.440 see it, you are really beholding to what your area 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:52.079 scout does in terms of time measurements and also the 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.760 background information. If they're not experiencing they don't have contacts 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.640 in the building, you will have some voids in your 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.960 value wishing process because you really won't know this kid 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:03.839 that you'd probably bring it in. And that's one of 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.040 the biggest worries I think about this virtual process, Bucky 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.160 and Brian you alluded to it as well. But I mean, 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.720 there are one hundred and fifty schools that are hoping 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:13.640 that players are going to get drafted from them. Right, 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.360 there's not one hundred and fifty days until the draft, 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:18.000 So all of these pro days that are going to 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.360 be held virtually at these different departments, in different schools 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.199 or across the country, and then there's gonna be extra 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.400 pro days, like Bucky just mentioned about at these these 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.280 workout facilities, and Brian talked about it in Dallas and 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.120 in Tampa, in all these different spots. So how do 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.760 you have that uniformity when you're gonna have probably a 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.440 school pro day and then you're gonna probably have an 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.680 annex pro day where you're gonna put these these scouts 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.120 in these players on display again. But you've got to 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.040 have those times and those measurements to be uniform because 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.120 at the same time, like you said, Bucky, it's not 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.720 going to be the same moving forward, No, it won't 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.600 be the same, And you know, like it's already difficult 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.679 enough to try and make some of these determinations, and 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:00.120 a lot of times we want to put the h 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.679 down by the time we get to the combine, like, hey, 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.760 let your grade, but your grade and don't be impacted 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.360 by the combine in terms of seeing a fast time. 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.440 And maybe it makes you kind of see like an 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.800 illusion when you're watching the tape. I think this will 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.400 be challenging not only for the guys that played this year, 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.839 but what in the world do you do with the 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.880 opt outs? Yeah, so the guys who have opted out 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.120 and you haven't seen in a year and a half, 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:27.760 you have no idea what they look like. You don't 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.720 have official times on them. I think it becomes an 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.520 even scarier proposition at the top of the board to 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.920 take some of these guys who haven't played, because you 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.280 really won't know anything about them when it comes to 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:42.360 standard protocols for evaluation that we've used in the past. Yeah, 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.400 last night, guys, I was watching the Sanders kid, the 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:50.079 defensive end from Cincinnati, and on tape, he doesn't look 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.240 two hundred and fifty eight pounds, you know, but if 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.559 you look at the measurables from the school and some 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:58.640 of the things that you were able to gather. It 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.040 says he's a two hundred at the eight pound player. 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.880 And I just wonder how many other scouts are going 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.840 through this right now where they're looking at this speed, 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:09.040 they're looking at a height, they're looking at a way, 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.839 and they're thinking, does that guy really look like he's 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.160 two hundred and fifty eight pounds? And you know, you 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:16.959 have to really you got a hope right now and 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.400 a lot of these evaluations. Bucky brought it up. There's 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.400 some teams that are measurable teams, you know, and their 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:27.439 whole scouting process is based on measurables, and so you know, 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.200 hopefully you know, number one, they can get the medical 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.400 and number two, like Buck he said, you could get 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.600 the height, way and speed. As long as the scouts 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.400 have those things, I think their eyes will tell them 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.040 what the type the player is, just as long as 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.640 they have the measurables to put with the player. I'm 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.719 telling you right now, don't don't put any stock in 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.920 measurables that you're getting from a college. That that is 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:53.480 a dangerous proposition, which absolutely, yeah, it's it's a small thing. 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:57.520 But I was actually writing a story yesterday about some 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.840 of the Cowboys dbs, and you know some free agent 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.120 dbs around in the league, and I go, like, you 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.920 know all the combine measurements. They're archived on the internet. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.839 Obviously you can go back and look at them, and 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:11.960 that's what I use, Like, anytime I need to write 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:13.559 about a player, I'm like, let me go find the 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:18.520 combine numbers, because I promise you any team, roster, college, 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.199 or pro is going to try to lie to you. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.319 And so it sounds like a little thing, but you 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.839 think about the fact Dan Quinn loves taller cornerbacks with 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.120 long arms. That should sound familiar from Christopher Shard's tenure 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.959 in Dallas as well. Well, have fun getting the accurate 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.880 measurements of heighten arms without without a combine. I mean, 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:38.880 hopefully they can find a way to pull it off. 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.959 But it's just another another thing that you have to 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:45.720 worry about in a year that's full of them. Obviously. Well, 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:49.079 and you've been open about the fact that the opt 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:50.840 out scare you a little bit, and I'm right there 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:52.679 with you. I think whenever it comes to a player 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.080 who has not played in twenty twenty, this makes things 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:58.560 ultimately tougher, like Bucky was mentioning a little bit ago, 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.719 but what does this do for your comp a level, Dave, 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.280 and trying to get these measurements and trying to figure 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.680 out how these players are going to test whenever they 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.959 haven't actually put film on the field in over twelve months. 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.640 I mean, I don't I don't have I don't know 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.000 what's going to happen. But I have a solution. If 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.280 I wasn't opt out, If I was an opt out 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.800 and I was confident in myself, I would I would 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.840 put together a real and send it around to these guys, 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:28.720 Like you know, I'm thinking of my guy Jumar Chase 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.160 at the top of my mind. Obviously, if I were him, 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.440 I would put myself on film running the whole route 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:38.200 tree at my training center. I would do a filmed 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.080 way in, a filmed measurement, all that stuff. Like any 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.880 information that I can get to a team, I would 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:45.800 just send it around to every team in the league 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.240 and be like, here's what I've been working on, Here's 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.520 what I can do, Here's how tall I am, here's 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:52.920 my arm measurements, blah blah blah. Especially you know, in 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.600 the case of a guy like him. You shouldn't have 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.400 anything in to hide anyway, So you know, maybe that's 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.680 a way around it where you know, some of these 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.560 guys can be you know, proactive and get some of 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.200 that information out there to help teams out. I think 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:07.880 they're going to be a lot of scouts that are 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.880 very crafty on the way they do things I do. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.240 I scouts will not be denied. You know, you think 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:18.080 that you're roadblocked here, you will figure out a way 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.720 to go around that roadblock to get what you need. 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.360 You know, that's your job, you know, and you know 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.000 you don't want to you don't want to do anything 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.760 illegal or anything like that or try and get in trouble, 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.240 but you will do whatever you have to do. I mean, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.800 the story of Gil Brandt running a kid in a 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:37.080 forty yard dash in an airport terminal is anything you 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.880 need to know right there. That that is meet me 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.960 at the terminal. I know you don't have an indoor facility. 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.240 It's cold outside. I'll run. I'll mark forty yards off 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.480 in this terminal and you can take off running and 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.600 we'll get a time. So you know, you know, pull 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:54.520 chalk on the end of a finger, doing a vertical 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.200 measuring that off. You will do whatever you have to 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:01.800 do to get those numbers for your organization. And that's 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.440 the great beauty about being a scout is when you 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:08.160 hear the word no, you say yes and you keep going. 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.440 You know, Brian and thinking about that, and I'm sure 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:13.360 at some point we will talk about the Senior Bowl, 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.520 but you talk about the advantages that the kids will 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.120 have next week, those that participate in the Senior Bowl, 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.840 and they're able to kind of create that lasting impression 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.640 on the eyes in the minds of scouts and evaluators 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:29.520 that is going to carry significant favor. And I just 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.160 believe that this year is unlike any other year where 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.040 you don't get a chance to see guys play ball, 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:38.120 and so private workouts will be important. But their limitations 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.440 on private workouts and what you're able to do when 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.240 some agents in recent years have kind of held back 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.320 on exposing their guys to too many private workouts because 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.680 if you get into doing a private workout, you're at jeopardy, 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.440 and so it just makes it very, very challenging in 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.600 the midst of a pandemic where you have COVID optouts 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.680 or whatever, like the creamer rise to the crop when 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:03.120 it to the top, when it comes to evaluators. But man, 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.400 you're talking about so many obstacles and things that will 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.200 prevent you from doing your job and doing it the 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.200 way that we've always done it. I'm saying I'm saying 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.680 this with tongue in cheek, though, I'll draft all the 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:15.840 opt out players. If you guys want to take all 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.320 the guys that played this year, I'll take all those 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.359 opt out guys by the way that let them dropt 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:26.200 to you, let them ball the best players. So yeah, 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.440 you get you can take all these guys have played 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.040 this year, all those opt out guys, gonna string them 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.680 to me. I'll be just fine drafting those guys well, 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:36.760 and you're bound to hit one or two of those. 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:38.840 I mean, the draft is a crap shoot. Anyways, we've 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.240 talked about that before. You it's it's you're trying to 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.679 gather this information to make your guests a little bit 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.080 more educated than it normally would in any certain circumstance. 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.600 And Brian, you were talking about how these scouts are 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:51.480 gonna have to get creative. I think there's gonna be 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.399 to have to be creativity from the school's perspectives on 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.719 how they're gonna live stream because Bucky's talking about crossing 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:01.119 country and all these scouts going different spots and different 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.760 schools all over the place. But at the same time, 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:05.720 you want to limit your travel for the safety of 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.960 your coaching staff and the safety of your scouting department. Well, 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.520 the way you do that is live stream. So I'm 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:15.320 asking you, Brian, do you expect to see live streamed 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.879 events where scouts can set up with a monitor and 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:22.480 watch these pro days virtually, maybe even multiple pro days 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.520 at one time. Yeah. I think one of the great things, 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.240 and this is credit to Bucky and what those guys 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.640 do at the NFL Network, is when they go live 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.920 to show workouts. I mean you could actually sit out 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.160 and watch the workout and feel like you're getting something 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.359 out of that. You know. That's that's the great thing 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.520 about now watching the combine on TV. You could actually 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:46.240 watch guys move, you could run back to what you saw, 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.719 you know, all these things. There's ways of getting around this, uh, 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:54.480 you know clearly, And I do believe that the schools 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.040 are going to have to now depending on their rules. 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.159 I mean, usually schools are very welcoming, They're like, hey, 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.359 come on, we love to have you. They make the 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.440 pro day a big thing. They have barbecues, they have 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:07.680 you know, dinners, whatever. They you know, they try to 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.840 do the best they can for their players and for 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.960 the scouts, and you know, but now it's gonna be about, Okay, 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:16.199 how can we take our TV production department? How can 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.600 we take our video department and film these things. The 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.159 thing we have to make sure of though, that there 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.480 may be there one or two scouts. They're conducting the workouts, 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.840 making sure the forty yard dash has completely measured the 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.560 right way, making sure the three cones set up the 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.879 right way, making sure the vertical jump is conducted the 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.480 right way. You know, if I was, if I was 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.400 running a department, I think this is what I would 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.639 do once I knew the schedule. And I know, Dave, 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.640 you're gonna hate my idea. I'm getting a mobile home. 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:47.800 I'm getting a bus, and I'm just driving from a 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.800 location to location to location, is what I'm doing. I'm 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.840 putting three scouts in every bus. And you know we're 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:57.040 gonna we're gonna make this trip around our area. You know, 0:19:57.200 --> 0:19:59.880 going to these schools is what we're gonna do. Well, 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.240 Market in the parking lot at the stadium. You know, 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:04.280 we'll stay there, we'll set up, we'll do the protest, 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.320 we'll go to the next thing. But maybe it's just 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.800 an easy way just to travel my guys going from 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:12.080 school to school, but having multiple guys there to make 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.720 sure that you cover the workout, like you completely need to. 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.720 Why don't you just admit that you're an unrepentant junkie 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.360 for a road trip. It's like, I love the road trip, 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.000 you know, I love the road trip. But I love 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:25.359 the fact that if they told me, if they told 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:27.960 me I could do a workout at Miami, then I 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.639 could go do a workout at Central Florida. Then I 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:32.960 could go do a workout at South Florida. Then I 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.840 could go to Florida State Florida. You know, I mean that, 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.200 that's me. That's what I would love to do. And 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.040 I'm just trying to think without my scouts having to 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.720 travel through airports, you know, just drive them through that 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:52.800 area though. But I'm yeah, I'm not driving an RV, 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:57.399 Like who's d I'm driving the RV. I see yourself. 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.920 You talk itself, like what we're going to do? Hey, 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.040 let me tell you what this. You could. You could 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.119 set this thing up. You could you could do film 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:07.600 work in the back. You could get your notes together. 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:10.360 One guy could drive, the others could work. You could 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.960 set things up. There's a productive way of doing this 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.679 that sounds miserable to me. That is that is Brian's 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:23.120 Brian's dream in life is to just be the permanent 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.680 driver on like an eighty hour road trip. And I 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:28.640 do not understand it at all. Hey, I'm gonna get 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.439 my area completely done well. Everybody else is not yet. 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:36.880 Everyone else is scrambling around trying to travel restrictions. I'm 0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:39.119 driving my area and I'm just gonna stay in my 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.400 little area and I'm gonna I'm gonna do a great 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:47.000 job there. Guys, when these teams through this idea though 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:49.400 you watch you heard it first year on the Draft Show, 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:53.240 We're gonna see a bunch of bunch of RV film 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:57.119 and media availability and things of a stable drive, and 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:00.959 you can study these players, you never know. If Bucky 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.840 wasn't so against it, I would just we would just 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:06.600 expense it to Derek and get the Draft Show on 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.480 the road and get all seven great idea. I just 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:11.520 I just don't want to drive and so if you're 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.440 gonna tell me we're gonna have a rock star bus 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:15.280 and we're gonna do it like that, and I'm gonna 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:18.080 have amenities and and all of those things, like right, 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:20.920 but I have this this vision of a Winnebago where 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:24.399 we're just all crampy and yeah, we're like, oh no, 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:29.360 three weeks, that's what Brian wants. I've done it. I've 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:32.920 done that. I could actually I could cook. I could cook. 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:38.200 We could have Cajun meals all the whole time. This 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:40.560 would be the best. Let's go. Sure, I'm right there. 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:42.679 I'll be a co pilot, Brian. I'll be right there 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:45.640 in the passenger seat. How about that? 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The plans 0:25:16.000 --> 0:25:18.320 of a road trip continue to blossom here in the 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:21.840 break and continue on here on a Tuesday morning, Glad 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:24.639 you're with us, Kyle Yeoman's Brian brought us, Bucky Brooks, 0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:28.720 David Hellman with you here from our virtual SWBC Mortgage studios. 0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:31.879 It's time now for some Twitter on the twenty Twitter 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:38.040 on the twenty, and of course the Cowboys having to 0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:41.359 keep a close eye on what's happening around the league. 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.000 And that's what our first question has to do with. 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:48.000 From Matt Thomas, he said, with the Deshaun Watson situation 0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:50.680 and the type of return he may bring in regards 0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:54.680 to what they should do with Dak in a possible trade, 0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:56.639 This is I just wanted to kind of put this 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.600 out there, Bucky or actually looks, let David Hellman take 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.480 this is talking about keeping it on on Deshaun Watson. 0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:04.440 We had to do that with the contract previously. But 0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:06.960 is there any way that picks and things like that 0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:09.840 could potentially come into play for the Cowboys and what 0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:14.320 they could do with Deck. We're talking about, like trading 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:17.320 Dak to Houston for Deshaun Watson. Is that I don't 0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.560 know if it's directly talking about that. I think it's 0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:23.600 mostly just what the options are for Deck Prescott Well, 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:27.760 I mean, I just those those things can't be related. 0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:31.080 I don't think unless you're like getting Deshaun Watson and that. 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:34.760 I mean, that's my whole thing is, if you're gonna 0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:37.280 take on that kind of contract in Houston, why not 0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.760 just pay the guy that you already have. And I mean, 0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:44.080 and I've seen I've seen people suggest, you know, a 0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:47.480 straight up player for players swap. I doubt that's happening 0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:51.600 because Houston needs draft picks. Like the whole reason Houston 0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:54.480 would try something like this is because they have no 0:26:54.680 --> 0:27:00.159 draft capital. So trading straight up Dak for DeShawn just 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:03.919 it doesn't make any sense to me because I think 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.879 they're basically the same player. So you're getting rid of 0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:10.560 one guy for Dak, you still don't have any draft picks, 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:13.280 and then the Cowboys are just in the same spot 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:15.800 they were, which is paying a lot of money for 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:19.120 a quarterback that not everybody's sold on. So I don't 0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:20.880 think it makes a ton of sense. I think it's 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.840 far more logical to just pay the guy that's already here, 0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:25.680 that you have a history with. I think I think 0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.200 mostly as I'm reading this question again, I think he's 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:31.840 talking about the value of Dak Prescott and the fact 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:33.800 that he hasn't had the long term deal yet, and 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.120 of course that's still going to continue throughout the offseason. 0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.600 Oh mostly mostly the value you could get from Watson 0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:42.320 and how that compares the Dak Prescott in terms of 0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:44.919 draft options and draft capital that you could attain if 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:48.280 you're the Dallas Cowboys. I got you. That's my bad. Well, 0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:51.240 I think the conversation for a franchise quarterback, for me, 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:55.600 the conversation starts for multiple ones, especially like you talk about, 0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.879 you know, that's that's what the franchise tag dictates. Anyway, 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:02.880 if a players on the tag the um, then you're 0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:05.080 you know, you got to trade two first round picks 0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:08.320 to get him, So that's where it starts. I would 0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:10.560 probably try to get a little bit more, but it's 0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:12.560 hard to say for sure because these types of trades 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:16.200 almost never happened. Like, when was the last time a 0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:21.760 franchise quarterback was traded in his prime? Bucky, Brian, You guys, 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.200 I don't know if it's ever been done, Like I 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:26.080 don't know if I don't know if you've ever seen 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.199 it done at all. I think the Deshaun Wasson thing 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:31.240 is fascinating me because I think it's great for us. 0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:34.560 I think his great sports talk radio fodder. But he 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.679 has a no trade class is he hasn't even got 0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:41.200 into the big money of the deal yet. And if 0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:44.320 I'm the Houston Texans, why would I even entertain trading 0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:46.880 a franchise quarterback. They're so hard to find, and so 0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:49.400 I know they don't have picks and all that, and 0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.640 we all love what's behind door number one and two, 0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:54.360 But I have a quarterback. It is easy to start 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:57.240 when I have a quarterback. Then when I don't have one, Yeah, 0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:00.320 I think I think the conversation about Dak needs to 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:04.080 happen the league year starts, I believe March twelfth or 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:07.680 some day around that, and you know, the Cowboys have 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.000 had the opportunity to visit with Dak Prescott and at 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:14.320 least exchange ideas since the season's been over, and maybe 0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:18.200 when the new league year starts, then that's the momentum. 0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:21.240 Then it's like, Okay, this deal's done, let's go forward, 0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:23.320 let's get it signed, and now we can start the 0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:26.360 offseason like it needs to be had. But I do 0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:28.520 feel like, though, that if you get to the first 0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:31.880 of April and you don't have an extension done with 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:34.880 Dak Prescott, then some of our draft shows need to 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:38.880 be about talking about what quarterbacks are available. That that's 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:42.320 that's what that is reality there, because if you can't 0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.760 get this done by the time you draft, then you 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:47.400 have to be thinking, like, I don't know if this 0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:49.560 is going to get done long term. I've got to 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:53.080 maybe move on and try and make something else happen here. 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.040 That would be the only time. It's either sign Dack 0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:59.080 or trade Dac. That's that's that's there's no in between 0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.160 for me. But really, my drop dead date is really 0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.560 the first of April, and if I don't have it 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:06.960 done by then, I'm starting to I'm starting to talk 0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:11.200 to teams about our situation here with the Cowboys. I'll 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.320 throw this in. This is just off the top of 0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:17.120 my head. If you want Dak Prescott, if you're another 0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:22.280 team and you want Dak, I need two firsts at least, 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:25.960 so I need this year's first, next year's first, then 0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.240 probably also your second round pick in this year's draft, 0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:33.400 and a starter caliber player that's on your roster right now, 0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:36.920 preferably a Pro Bowl caliber player. That's like, that's my 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:41.240 starting point. Yeah, well, yeah, I think yeah, there's yeah, 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.560 you definitely you're definitely gonna need the first this year 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.080 because you're gonna need to take that one potentially and 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.000 go back up in the draft if you want to 0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:51.360 get to say Cincinnati at five, you're gonna have to 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:55.040 give them pick forty four. But to really sweeten this thing, 0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:57.600 if you had an extra one, you can take your 0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:00.920 ten that one and then elevation that thing and go 0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.080 and get you a quarterback to make sure that you 0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:07.000 protected yourself going forward because you've made the trade, Bucky, 0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:09.680 did you think my price was too much or not enough? 0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:13.000 I mean that's very very pricing, Like oh yeah, I know, 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:16.120 I know, Like, well you gotta look at we know, no, no, 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.320 we know you can't quarterback to number four, like I 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:23.920 get that, but two first, a second and a Pro 0:31:24.040 --> 0:31:26.640 Bowl player like that is that is a lot. So 0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:28.560 you know what I'm doing, I'm hanging up and say, 0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:30.840 you know what, we could try and find it. That's fine, 0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:33.920 that's fine because I don't I don't want to trade 0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:37.040 him anyway. That's fine, No, but but but you know, 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:41.040 you gotta protect yourself. I mean, we were the price is, 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.320 you know, the price is whatever they make it but 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:45.480 you know, you gotta look at what it got. Like 0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:48.080 Laramie Tunsil went for, you got to look for what 0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:50.680 the guy and I know it's a different position. You 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:52.480 got to look at see what you know the guy 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:57.040 at the Bears, what what he went for? Yeah. See, 0:31:57.160 --> 0:31:59.160 so that's where you're starting to That's where you have 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:01.760 to sit there and Okay, I need to get this 0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:05.280 thing done. I'm not trying to hold people up. I'm 0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:07.920 trying to trade him, but I'm also trying to get 0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:10.120 that I'm trying to get two ones out of the 0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.880 deal as my bottom line, because I need the one 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:15.960 to get back to where I need to go to 0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:19.360 get a new quarterback. And so yeah, I mean we could, 0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:21.320 we could. We could all kind of say, oh, well, 0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:24.200 that's too much of this. It's someone always is willing 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:26.880 to pay. But you have to make sure that if 0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.840 you're moving on from the quarterback, you have to make 0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:32.080 it inviting for the other team to be willing to 0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:34.440 make the deal. You don't want to just hammer it 0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:37.360 so hard that all of a sudden that nobody wants 0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:39.320 to do the deal. You know, then you have to 0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:41.320 come back with hat in hand and try and do 0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:43.920 this all over again. You want to make sure that's 0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:46.280 the deal that works for you, works with a player, 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:48.880 and then you can you can go from there. So 0:32:49.040 --> 0:32:51.720 I think the answer it's a Matt's question. Whenever it 0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:54.880 came to should the Cowboys keep an eye on Watson situation, 0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:56.880 the answer is yes, and see what that kind of 0:32:57.040 --> 0:32:59.640 ransom would be in order to get him out of Houston, 0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:02.080 And the same thing for dak out of Dallas should 0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:06.200 things go wrong situationally for the Cowboys in these negotiations 0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:09.440 as we continue on into the draft process. Okay, this 0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:11.840 is a good question from Cowboys coffee talk I really 0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:13.920 like And he said he's a big, big fan of 0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:15.880 the show you guys, so he loves you guys. One 0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:18.040 it is to throw that out there. He said, I'm 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:21.640 a big believer in upgrading defensive tackle. However, I am 0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:24.520 told there's a few difference makers out of a few 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:29.200 difference makers outside of maybe a Christian Barmore from Alabama. 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:32.200 And do you have any day two defensive tackles that 0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:37.600 the Cowboys could potentially target Bucky Brooks. You know, like 0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:41.560 this defensive tackle class is really really weak. Like that's rough. 0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:45.240 I mean, it is really it's really rough to say 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:47.480 that you can find someone that would upgrade what is 0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:51.080 currently there in Neville, Gallimore and Antoine was in those guys. 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:54.720 If you're going to go, I think, if I'm going 0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:56.440 to try and upgrade the position, then I'm gonna try 0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:58.080 and spend the capital to give the guy at the top, 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:00.360 and that would be Barrymore. But I'm not gonna take 0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:02.880 him at ten. I think he's a guy that should 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.360 fall in the twenties, um if that, because they have 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.400 him some concerns because he flashed at the end of 0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:12.759 the year, but his year was inconsistent in terms of 0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.719 his level of dominance. I'm just a little leary on 0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:18.440 him and taking him there, and so I think the 0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:21.520 Cowboys might be better serve to look for the upgrades 0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:24.360 at d tackle, potentially in free agency as opposed to 0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:27.120 the draft. Bucky, what did you think about the Washington 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:31.280 kid O two E E K. I think, yeah, eak, 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:37.120 I always say these names wrong. Yeah, it was like 0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:41.120 that le by Osaique from Washington. Did you did you 0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:46.520 see him at all? Sixty three? Yeah, two hundred ninety palace. 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:50.359 He's active, He's able to make and control the line 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.279 of scrimmage or whatever. The thing about it is like 0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:57.200 watching guys against PAC twelve lineman is really really hard 0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.839 because how many pros are he playing? Is he really 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.880 playing against? And so his level of dominance is solid, 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:07.319 But I would feel better about him if I saw 0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:12.319 him dominant against SEC competition. He's another oddo, a guy 0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.680 who was sipped out. Buddy's a Senior Bowl invite, so 0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:16.400 he's going to be at the Senior Bowl, so you 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:18.040 get to see him there. But he did opt out 0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:21.239 of the twenty twenty. Yeah. But to Bucky's point, I think, 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:23.799 and then there's a kid to a failure. I think 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:26.759 you say, you say the kid from USC Yeah, I 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:30.840 mean we're okay, we're talking about potential second round type guys. 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:33.759 Those would be, you know, a guy I really liked 0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:37.279 to like the Nixon kid from Iowa. I think took 0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:41.080 your point, Bucky, Yeah, it's weak. I think Barmore has 0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:44.880 helped himself though the last couple of games out. You know, 0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:47.600 it's like people of like, oh, well, he's gone from 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:50.520 a guy that you would take at at twenty five 0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:53.880 to maybe a guy you would take at fifteen. You know, 0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:57.640 you know it, maybe he's he's made that kind of jump. 0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.680 But those two Pac ten kids and again the Iowa 0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.920 kid Nixon, you know, I think those are kind of 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:08.759 second round guys that that maybe that you know, that 0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:12.160 that could go in and play well for somebody. I 0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:15.160 know watching those Pac twelve kids play that they were 0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:17.920 they were really active. You know, they were active. They 0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:21.080 were playing outside the tackle box, they were getting up 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:25.000 the field, they were being disruptive tackles for loss, you know, 0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:27.800 pressure on the quarterback in the pocket. You know. I 0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:32.320 both think that those undertackles, those three techniques that you know, 0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:35.279 cowboy fans and if your team's a four three team, 0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:37.920 you know, that's that three technique that we're talking about, 0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:41.200 that undertackle. But those are a couple of names of guys. 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:43.879 I mean, again, I butcher names, but if I watch 0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:47.040 him play, yeah, I kind of saw like second third 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:51.200 round kind of talent there myself. Okay, this is actually 0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:55.759 this is really timely because he declared last night. But 0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:58.279 what do y'all think about Tommy and togy I the 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:02.319 Ohio State defensive tackle Because I haven't done a deep 0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:06.160 dive by any means yet, but he kicked Clemson's ass 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.560 and I have a feeling they missed him dearly against 0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:15.279 Alabama six two three hundred pounds, played fantastic for Ohio State, 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:18.080 which you know, again that's that's a program. You know, 0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:21.160 there's three or five programs where if you did it 0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:23.120 at that program, I trust that you can do it 0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:25.320 in the NFL, and Ohio States one of them. So 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:30.600 he's gonna come into the league fully equipped because Larry 0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:32.680 Johnson one of the best delone coaches that you've seen. 0:37:32.719 --> 0:37:34.600 When you look at the work that they've done at 0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:36.640 Ohio State and the guys that have come out of there, 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:40.440 they all play and so from Devon Hamilton to the Stars, 0:37:40.760 --> 0:37:43.479 Nick bos and all those guys they played, and so yeah, 0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:46.319 they great hand skills. He's gonna come off. He has 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:48.160 a motor, he can control it at the line of scrimmage. 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:50.440 Those are the things that you like. And in a 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:52.920 class where it's really hard to distinguish who are the 0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:56.399 top ones from the others, sometimes you have to lean 0:37:56.520 --> 0:38:01.120 towards are they scaled, because that's the evaluation. Evaluation comes 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:05.359 to talent versus skilled, and the skilled player may give 0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:08.719 you more pop initially than the more talented player, because 0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:10.560 when you think about COVID and the lack of reps 0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:13.040 and practice time and all those other things. You kind 0:38:13.040 --> 0:38:15.080 of need a right now player and those who have 0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:17.399 the skills already are gonna have a chance to play 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:21.479 and make an impact right away. Yeah. I think that's 0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.400 a great way to look at this defensive tackle class, because, 0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:26.840 like we already talked about with the draft, I mean, 0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:30.080 ultimately you're gonna have trouble trying to figure out the measurables, 0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:31.880 and defensive tackle is one of the spots where you 0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:35.279 kind of need those measurables to make at least a pick, 0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:37.480 and you need some tape to go with. I think 0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:42.560 lucky enough for Antique a week way. I can't say 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:44.359 his name either, Brian, I'm right there with your buddy 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.960 in terms of butchering names. I'll get there at some point. 0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:50.480 But the Washington defensive tackle at least he's going to 0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:52.680 the Senior Bowl. At least he's somebody that you'll get 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.880 to see on the field with other competition at some 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:57.959 point and puts some film out there as a twenty 0:38:58.040 --> 0:38:59.759 twenty opt out. There's not a ton of those guys, 0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:01.640 but he is one of those guys that will be 0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:05.600 out there Okay, moving on another question here, Well, we 0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:09.239 could get maybe one or two more here. Let's go 0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:14.319 to these Senior Bowl wide receivers and Bucky, you wanted 0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:16.440 to talk about the Senior Bowl wide receivers. I mean, 0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:19.160 we saw another one yesterday commit and of course Heisman 0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:22.080 Trophy winner Davante Smith, but some of these other guys 0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:26.240 like a Dez Fitzpatrick or an Amari Rodgers, Dwayne Eskridge, 0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:29.520 and Thayland Wallace out of Oklahoma State. Michael Davenport ask 0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.239 this question, but in terms of the group of wide receivers, Bucky, 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:34.160 that you've seen commit to the Senior Bowl, what do 0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:36.720 you think about this group overall? And is there anybody 0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:40.360 late round the Cowboys could potentially look at. Look, I 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:42.319 think this is a really good group. I think it's 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:44.279 a really good class. I think it's solid. I think 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:47.319 you have a bunch of technicians that would do their work. 0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:51.520 Tylan Wallace is certainly someone that is intriguing. He popped 0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:53.440 his ACL a year ago, but came back and was 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.239 very very productive. Normally it takes two years before you 0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:59.840 fully activated and write coming off of that, he is 0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:01.600 one that you definitely need to keep an eye on. 0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:04.440 I think the guys to really watch because I think 0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:06.960 when I look at the evolution of what the Cowboys 0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:09.960 could do at wide receiver, I believe Marie Cooper is 0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:11.600 going to be number one. Ceede Lamb is going to 0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:14.239 be number two. I think maybe eventually they move on 0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:16.000 from Michael got because I just don't know if they 0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:20.839 can pay all three Rogers is interesting. It is Teve 0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:24.439 Martin's son who is now Tennessee to Tennsee legend or whatever, 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:28.839 but he's a fantastic slot player. I do wonder if 0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:31.239 at some point you're going to move Ceedee Lamb to 0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:33.960 X have a Marie Cooper at Z and didn't maybe 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:36.600 need a slot receiver, or do you find that X receiver? 0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:38.840 So Amari Rodgers is someone that I would keep an 0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:41.719 eye on. Esk Ridge is also someone who has speed 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:44.120 and has some get down that fascinates me a little bit. 0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:48.800 A couple other guys they're like a Cadarius Tony. I 0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:50.520 don't know if you would have a chance of getting 0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:53.200 him later in the draft, Brian, but I mean, at 0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:55.200 least out of a guy that's exciting to watch with 0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.440 the Senior Bowl, he's up there. Anybody that sticks out 0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:00.759 to you, though. No, I think that Bucky did a 0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:03.240 really good job, you know, I think did Jim Naggie. 0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:06.640 You know, he took over for Phil Savage, and Phil 0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.719 for a long time did a really great job of of, 0:41:10.120 --> 0:41:13.560 you know, evaluating bringing players in. I think Jim Naggie 0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:17.120 has taken it to a whole nother level. I never believed. 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:19.719 And even though that, you know, he got Smith from 0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:22.400 Alabama to show up. He's got the busted finger, but 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:24.080 he's being a part of this and the good for 0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:26.920 the kid. But Naggie's done a great job with that. 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:30.280 And I think that Bucky's dead on about these receivers. 0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:34.440 I will say this about Tony and I'm kind of here, 0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:38.560 in the tradition of Florida receivers, there's some off the 0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:41.560 field things that you need to worry about there. So 0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:46.000 so he'll he'll get he'll get drafted, everybody will complain 0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:49.399 about him. He'll probably make plays, but when you watch 0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:53.080 him on tape, man, he is a nightmare. He reminds 0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:56.480 me very much when we talked about like Rondel Moore 0:41:56.800 --> 0:42:00.279 from Purdue, that same kind of like get the ball 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:03.279 to him and now it's hold your breath, you know, 0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:07.960 situations on defense. So I do like what Naggie's done 0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.000 with that group. I'm looking forward to seeing those guys 0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:12.640 and how the kind of week that they have at practice. 0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.239 I will give you one that may not be a 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:17.879 Cowboys target, but one that we always see these guys 0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:21.440 in the second and third round. That pop Treyvon Grimes 0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:25.000 from Florida. He could be a guy that you need 0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:27.080 to keep an eye on, and that what I would 0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:30.600 call that. Mike Thomas Mike Evans mold when he was 0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:32.600 coming out of high school. He's a five star recruit. 0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:34.719 He goes to Ohio State, has a family issue, comes 0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:39.200 back to Florida. But size, athleticism take it off the rim, 0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:43.600 big body, physical We're seeing that these big body playmakers 0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:47.400 can dominate just with their physicality on the perimeter. He 0:42:47.560 --> 0:42:48.920 is one that I would keep an eye on that 0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:53.239 he may not go like early like high second round, 0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:55.200 but second, third round. He is one that I'll keep 0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:56.840 an eye on that we go look back at like, 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:59.920 oh how do we miss him? Yeah, well a day 0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:03.439 we saw last year guys like maybe like a Denzel Mims, 0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:05.880 who didn't of course have a great rookie season. But 0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:08.400 I mean it was a great wide receiver class overall 0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:11.399 last year, and the Seamor Bowl kind of reflected that that's. 0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:13.520 I mean, this, this class is good. And I was 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:16.239 I was gonna bring up the two Florida kids for sure. 0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:20.000 I don't know if it's just because he wears number one, 0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:23.719 but Kadarius Tony just feels like Percy Harvin all over 0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:30.200 again to me. Um, same personality. Yeah, yeah, that boy. 0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:33.759 I was just gonna left that. I was gonna leave 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:38.839 that part. I'm gonna leave that part. I was gonna leave. Yeah. 0:43:38.840 --> 0:43:40.919 I didn't watch to be alone in this strap show. 0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:43.359 You know what I'm saying. You guys didn't. I didn't 0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:46.839 want you to be alone. Oh goodness, I think I dude, 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:48.960 I think last year's class was probably a little bit 0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:52.239 more star studded. You brought up Mims. You know, Van 0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:55.400 Jefferson was down there last year as well. He obviously Laypool, 0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:58.759 Chase Claypool. Yeah, I forgot Chase Claypool was there. You're right, Um, 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:01.360 so I think probably a little more star studded. But 0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:03.840 I think the world of Tyland Wallace and yeah, I 0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:08.040 mean to Brian's point, I think twenty thirteen was my 0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:11.640 first year really covering the draft, and you know, like 0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:14.520 the Senior Bowl used to get some good players, but 0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:17.160 like people, people kind of used to roll their eyes, 0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:20.920 and now, I mean you can't argue obviously, like the 0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:23.680 best of the best draft prospects are always going to 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.800 be underclassmen, because if you're that good, you're gonna go 0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:31.560 pro before you're a senior. But they consistently get the 0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.279 best possible seniors. I mean, they got freaking they got 0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:37.000 Baker Mayfield, the number one pick in the draft, to 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:40.399 go to Mobile. You know, the fact that last year 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.840 they got I mean, they got Davante Smith, who he 0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:46.399 doesn't need to do anything to be a top ten pick, 0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:48.600 and they still got him to go. You know, he's 0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:50.560 gonna go down there and compete. I think it's awesome. 0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:54.000 You know, props to Jim for doing that, because it's 0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:56.080 on a whole another level from where it was even 0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:59.360 four or five years ago. It really is fun to 0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:01.880 watch and it makes at a spectacle and unfortunately, of 0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:04.040 course it's gonna be a lot virtual this year, but 0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:08.960 ultimately it's something that I know we'll grow amongst these 0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:11.680 players and amongst the league. Really as Naggie's really done 0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:13.880 a great job with it. 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I'm Kyle Yeomans and we 0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:49.640 just got done with some great twitter on the twenty 0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:53.080 and appreciate all you guys sending in your questions every week. 0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:56.560 Of course, these guys every Tuesday, ten o'clock Central Time, 0:47:57.040 --> 0:48:00.440 join them every week. It's it's fantastic the four that 0:48:00.520 --> 0:48:02.560 we have this year, that we get so many different 0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:07.080 personalities and thought processes with the draft, and we see 0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:10.200 that again here today. We'll be back on Thursday to 0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:14.200 in am Central Time with Dame Brugler, Jeff Cavanaugh and 0:48:14.400 --> 0:48:17.040 Kevin Turner as a part of the show. But guys, 0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:19.960 we've just went through a little bit of some twitter 0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:21.600 on the twenty and we asked a lot of questions 0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:24.279 about the quarterbacks and the offense and even a little 0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:27.640 bit of defensive tackle. But there were a couple questions 0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:31.480 about linebacker and this including this one from Travis Ferguson 0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:34.719 who said, who would you rather have on this Cowboys team? 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:38.800 And that's either Michael Parsons or Zaban Collins the linebacker 0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:41.040 out of Penn date with Parsons and Collins being out 0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:44.560 of Tulsa, and there's a lot of form issue, or 0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:47.799 not really form, but at least play style. I think 0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:49.880 that was kind of differing between the two and who 0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:52.560 would you rather have, Brian whenever it comes to these 0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:55.960 two guys, and is linebacker a huge need for this 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:58.200 team or at least a priority for this team heading 0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:01.520 into the draft process. Yeah, I don't know if Buckie, 0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:03.960 I know Bookie has probably seen the player. I don't 0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:07.960 know if Dave has. I watched Collins myself, and I 0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:11.279 kind of see a three four SAM linebacker there. I 0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:14.160 don't know what his fit really is for a four 0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:17.800 three scheme. So you know, maybe in the old regime, 0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:20.080 Collins would have been a guy that you would have 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:23.960 jumped on board for, but I didn't. I didn't really 0:49:24.080 --> 0:49:27.040 see I didn't see stuff where I felt like, I mean, 0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:31.279 a good player. The size is incredible, how big he is, 0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:33.520 and you know, you watch him in these games. I 0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:35.480 think there was a couple of games where he was 0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:39.200 you know, he had key he got forced key turnovers 0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:42.319 in the game. But the more I watched the more, 0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:44.600 I thought, well, he this isn't just a big on 0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:48.239 the line, you know, Sam linebacker is what I saw, 0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:51.120 and you know, because you know, with his size and stuff. 0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:54.320 And I think with if you gave me a choice, 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.200 I'm not a huge fan of Parsons. I really do 0:49:57.480 --> 0:50:01.640 like I do like Bolden a lot from Missouri is 0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:04.120 a guy that I'm kind of become a fan. I 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:07.480 watched Dylan Moses last night, and there's some things about 0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:10.759 him that are that are good to go. But I 0:50:10.920 --> 0:50:13.160 think with Collins, if you gave me a choice between 0:50:13.239 --> 0:50:16.399 Collins and Parsons, I don't know if I would choose 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:19.359 either one of those guys, you know, just for where, 0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:22.799 for where you have to choose Parsons, I don't think 0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:25.600 I would do it. And but Collins I kind of 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:27.200 feel the same way. I think he's kind of a 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:31.640 just a one position guy, you know, going forward here. 0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:34.600 So I wouldn't go either one of those guys is 0:50:34.680 --> 0:50:37.719 my linebacker, you know, Bryan. I think it's important now 0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:40.880 that we have to bring dan Quinn and his history 0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:43.359 into the fold in the Loup, and I don't think 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:45.320 either one of those guys are his type of players. 0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:47.640 When it comes to the linebacker position. You look at 0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:50.560 the guys that they drafted at Atlanta, it was the 0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:54.040 I won't say the undersize, but it was the runner athlete, 0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:57.640 run fast. Yo. Now, I don't want to do the 0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:01.239 Alma mater homer, but chess or Rot would be more 0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:03.960 of a fit from North Carolina. He would be more 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:06.640 of a fit in that style of defense to play 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:10.040 that role. So whether you're talking about Sup planning, Jaylen 0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:12.239 Smith or whatever, but someone that can run and chase 0:51:12.320 --> 0:51:15.160 and be active and run down the scene and blitz 0:51:15.200 --> 0:51:18.440 into those things, he would be more of that style 0:51:18.600 --> 0:51:21.920 linebacker that you're talking about in the second round or 0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:25.040 something like that. Even the kid from Ohio State. You know, 0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:29.960 if you worry book about do you worry about the conversion? 0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:34.080 You know Tres was he was he was a quarterback 0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:37.520 and then you know, converted to linebacker. I mean, the 0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:41.640 kid does run well, he does make some plays. Is 0:51:41.840 --> 0:51:45.400 the learning curve too much for him or is it 0:51:45.840 --> 0:51:49.160 you're just basing on traits that maybe you'll get that 0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:51.879 that guy at the next level. Well, well, I think 0:51:52.000 --> 0:51:54.360 now like the way we have to look at linebackers, 0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:57.040 like our old school thought process, of like, hey, can 0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:01.160 he take on cann He shit had a smash a quarterback. 0:52:01.280 --> 0:52:04.680 Like now we're seeing. If you're linebackers can't run and chase, 0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:07.160 you have no chance. If they can't do anything in 0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:09.880 either coverage or blitz, you don't have to do it. 0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:13.440 And so look, man, we just saw Patrick Queen come 0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:16.000 out of nowhere to be like a top pick and 0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:18.760 he hadn't played much, but he flashed and he popped 0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:21.600 and he did those things. And so for Chazz, the 0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:25.719 conversion is unconventional going from quarterback to linebacker, but the 0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:28.720 athletic traits are ridiculous. When you dig in his background 0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:31.080 and you kind of see where he's at. Oh no, absolutely, yeah. 0:52:31.120 --> 0:52:33.400 The more you do dig in on him, it's impressive. 0:52:33.440 --> 0:52:35.440 When you could watch him throw the ball miss a 0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:38.480 quarterback and then you could watch him sack a quarterback, 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:45.279 you know, it's kind of will. But yeah, along this 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:48.080 same line of thinking, and I mean, yeah, it's hard 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:50.560 not to think about Dion Jones when you think about 0:52:50.640 --> 0:52:54.960 Dan Quinn. Am I crazy for thinking of Jeremiah Wusu 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:58.440 Corramoro When you say that I didn't know, I think, man, 0:52:58.680 --> 0:53:01.520 I why do I see a strong safety there Bucky 0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:04.160 and Dave. Why because he's because he's two hundred and 0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:08.640 fifteen pounds. I watch him cover in the slot. That 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:12.160 kid makes a ton of plays. I mean, he's a 0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:14.839 lot of fun to watch. I mean, I go back 0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:17.440 to this South far back. I could go he's not 0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:20.680 as fast as Darren Woodson, But I remember Darren Woodson 0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:24.640 playing linebacker Arizona State in nineteen ninety two. You know, 0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:26.839 And I was sitting there thinking, man, is this guy 0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:31.240 strong safety? Because you do see him play in the slot. 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:33.920 You do see him cover, you do see him carrying 0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:37.120 tight ends. You know, you see him rushing. He made 0:53:37.120 --> 0:53:39.759 a huge play in that Clemson game, the game that 0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:42.800 was played in South Ben. So I'm thinking, is this 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:46.440 guy a linebacker? Is he a strong safety? Man? But 0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:49.719 I love the player? Don't get okay that play? Y'all. 0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:53.120 Y'all tell me this because if this was two years ago, 0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:56.960 I would have said, well, Rod Marinelli hates jack knife players. 0:53:57.080 --> 0:54:00.880 He wants everybody to have a clearly defined role just important. 0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:04.240 Should I expect Should I expect that from Dan Quinn? 0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:06.600 Or I mean, like Buddha Baker is a great example. 0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:10.160 The Cowboys didn't have any interest in Buddha Baker? Could 0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:12.160 I get my hopes up that maybe it would be 0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:14.840 different under Dan Quinn? Like, does a utility guy like 0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:18.200 that fit into this defense? Here's what I would tell 0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:21.160 you the challenge in that. Right, it's the same conversation 0:54:21.280 --> 0:54:23.880 debate that you would have with Isaiah Simmons last year. Right, 0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:27.600 it looks it looks great from ari end, Like as scouts, 0:54:27.640 --> 0:54:29.200 we're like, Oh, he can do this, he can do that, 0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:32.640 can do this, But then coaches tell me, Okay, well 0:54:32.680 --> 0:54:34.279 what room does he go to when it's time for 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:37.279 position meetings? Yeah? How do we get him reps to 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:40.200 do all of these things that you're banting about? How 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:43.040 are we going to figure this out? And So when 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:45.440 you think about that, it's easier when you have a 0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:48.080 guy that has a clearly defined role because at least, 0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:50.320 you know, worst case I can put him here and 0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:53.120 he can survive or whatever, and then if we can 0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:55.600 expand it, he can thrive. I think the kid that 0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:57.400 you're mentioning, I think we have to look at the 0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:00.440 game differently now. I think the days of a the 0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:03.399 strong safety lineback or whatever. I think teams are playing 0:55:03.480 --> 0:55:06.239 Nickel and Don anyway, yeah, and if you can get 0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:08.200 on the field, you can run and chase and make plays. 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:10.479 We throw you out there and we call you whatever 0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:12.520 we call you when we rolled the lineups on the 0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:15.239 bottom third. But when you play the games, give me 0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:16.960 the eleven best guys, and I got to put eleven 0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:18.799 best athletes on the field and kind of figure it out. 0:55:18.880 --> 0:55:21.880 And so hopefully he dan Quinn has some of that 0:55:22.400 --> 0:55:24.799 in his repertoire, because you don't want to miss out 0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:27.200 on some of those players that you can get as 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:30.759 impact players, because speed is everything in this game. Well, 0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:33.480 in talking about guys with these these physical attributes, and 0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:36.080 maybe this guy's a little bit bigger, but I know 0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:38.920 y'all's LSU Tiger. In Jabril Cox I mentioned that I 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:40.960 watched him yesterday and got to kind of watch a 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:43.600 little bit of the Tigers. I like his size, I 0:55:43.640 --> 0:55:45.759 mean six four, he's got long arms, and ultimately he 0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:48.239 was better on tape in twenty twenty than he was 0:55:48.360 --> 0:55:52.520 even playing against lesser competition, I think against back before 0:55:52.560 --> 0:55:55.120 his time at LSU, when he was at North Dakota State. 0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:57.400 But I would put him right in that conversation of 0:55:57.480 --> 0:56:01.960 a Chaz Sad and general Luca Cormora and maybe even 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:04.480 a Baron Browning. I think there's a lump of linebackers 0:56:04.560 --> 0:56:06.480 that are in the second in the third round that 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:10.399 the Cowboys could potentially be interested in and maybe even 0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:14.239 upgrade over what they have already. Guys. I don't like 0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:16.480 bringing up LSU players because I don't want people to 0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:19.360 think I'm a homer. But Jabril Cox can play. I 0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:22.360 think he's a ball in. He can no, he could like, 0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:26.160 he's physical, he can cover at least decently. I don't know, 0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:28.319 I don't know where you would have to draft him, 0:56:28.400 --> 0:56:31.920 but he's he's a good football player. I love that. 0:56:32.480 --> 0:56:34.920 I love your idea, Kyle play. Yeah. I'll say this 0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:37.879 though about him though, when he was coming out, when 0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:41.480 he when the season started, the two national they have 0:56:41.640 --> 0:56:45.759 National scouting and Blessto scouting. Blesto had a second round 0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:50.080 grade on him. So scouts going in to LSU had 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:52.520 a grade of a one two seven on him. That's 0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:57.120 like a late two going in and so yeah, that's 0:56:57.239 --> 0:56:59.880 that's that's that's pretty heavy stuff right there. For a 0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:03.080 transfer and the kid, the kid want they want a 0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:06.040 ton of games at North Dakota State. Guys, A champion. 0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:10.360 He on an LSU team that struggled so bad on defense. 0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:13.319 He was one of the bright spots that they had, 0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:16.280 a clear bright spot. Yeah, well, you're seeing more of 0:57:16.320 --> 0:57:18.440 those guys play, and so I wouldn't discount it. And 0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:21.160 so I think the sweet spot for those linebackers anywhere 0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:24.080 the second and third round. And so when we're looking 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:26.800 at trace and we're looking at what can they do? Well, 0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:29.120 he can run and chase, he can cover in space, 0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:30.720 he can do some of the things that you have 0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:33.440 to do because you have to think about the teams 0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:35.920 that you're playing in the division. And when you think 0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:39.640 about who is going to deal with Antonio Gibson floating 0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:41.360 out the backfield and doing all the stuff that he 0:57:41.400 --> 0:57:44.120 could do for the Washington football team, or Miles Stands 0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:47.520 for Philadelphia, or when se Quon Barkley comes back, you 0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:50.520 better have someone on your second level who can handle 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:53.800 those matchups and quickly close and defend those guys. And 0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:57.080 so I think speed has to be something that's addressed, 0:57:57.120 --> 0:57:59.880 because Jaalen Smith doesn't have the speed to be able 0:57:59.920 --> 0:58:02.560 to do it. And even though you may be hamstrung 0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:04.680 with this contract, I think at some point you have 0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:07.200 to find more speed to put at the second level 0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:08.840 to be able to deal with the teams in division. 0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:12.560 Change the directions huge. I mean, when you're watching this tape, 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:15.800 if you watch the linebacker they can't change direction, you 0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:18.080 might as well turn off the tape because that is 0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:21.240 so huge. I mean, it's it's unbelievable. You know, how 0:58:21.360 --> 0:58:23.800 you watch these games and how they're affected by guys 0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:28.240 not being in position because they can't change direction. That's 0:58:28.320 --> 0:58:30.479 kind of why I like Nick Bolton a lot, because 0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:32.440 I think he can change direction. I think he's a 0:58:32.480 --> 0:58:34.720 guy who's athletic enough. Same thing with your Bill Cox. 0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:36.520 I mean, there was really no issue on tape, at 0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:39.840 least from what I was seeing in terms of changing direction. Now, 0:58:40.360 --> 0:58:42.919 does it kind of deter you the fact that there's 0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:45.400 no top end linebackers in this draft, or are you 0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:48.640 okay taking a second or a third round guy like this, 0:58:48.880 --> 0:58:51.760 because I mean you've invested a first round pick in 0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:54.080 Layton vander esh and a second round pick in Jalen 0:58:54.160 --> 0:58:57.800 Smith with your linebackers already? Are you okay investing a 0:58:57.920 --> 0:59:00.040 high enough pick but still kind of I guess in 0:59:00.120 --> 0:59:02.320 the later part, still kind of taking a risk and 0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:06.000 trying to replace one of those two guys. Linebackers are 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:08.360 the running backs of defense. You should be able to 0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:11.720 find good ones all over the place. Like I said, 0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:15.400 what I said, what I said, Oh, Bucky's gonna kill me, 0:59:17.080 --> 0:59:19.200 so so here here, here's here's what I hear, what 0:59:19.280 --> 0:59:22.080 I get. And I understand this because like it's it's 0:59:22.160 --> 0:59:25.000 the thing like we like to theorize like these things, 0:59:25.040 --> 0:59:27.440 and it makes sense. It's almost like, hey, never take 0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:30.280 a guard. Never, never take a guard in the top ten, 0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:32.840 don't take running backs. Don't take this. I would say this, 0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:36.000 if the talent Mary's being able to take someone in 0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:39.160 the first round, take a good player. But yes, if not, 0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:41.520 if there's a surplus, yeah you can. You can find 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:43.320 them everywhere. I would say, because I saw your thing 0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:47.160 about Devin White, kind of change your mind, like good 0:59:47.280 --> 0:59:51.120 players make good teams. If you if you promise me, 0:59:51.880 --> 0:59:55.000 if you promise me, I'm getting Devin White. That's a 0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:58.160 different conversation, right, It depends on what comes out. I 0:59:58.240 --> 1:00:00.800 think what you can do is, man, you're fa acture that. 1:00:00.960 --> 1:00:03.480 And I think what we do is sometimes particularly when 1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:07.960 we're with teams, we we manufactured the position of need 1:00:08.320 --> 1:00:10.440 to say, hey, you know we're at ten. This guy 1:00:10.560 --> 1:00:12.680 is that as opposed to no, he's not a we 1:00:12.760 --> 1:00:14.840 can't take him at ten because he's not dead, because 1:00:14.880 --> 1:00:18.120 we're only setting ourselves up to fail. I think take 1:00:18.240 --> 1:00:21.760 really good players, and it does a Patrick Willis take 1:00:21.760 --> 1:00:24.840 a Patrick Willis having said that, you know, having said that, 1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:27.160 and I mean, you're you're right. I mean, if a guy, 1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:31.160 if he's that good, you should take him. No, No, 1:00:31.560 --> 1:00:35.960 but Bryan Guyan to get up, Bryant up, Bryan hit 1:00:36.200 --> 1:00:38.600 there is half and you fold it. Is there a 1:00:38.680 --> 1:00:43.080 linebacker in this draft that's worth that pick a ten? Yeah? No, No, 1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:48.480 there's not. And that's like anybody I wouldn't a ways 1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:50.120 say they think the way you feel about linebackers the 1:00:50.160 --> 1:00:52.760 way I feel about wide receivers. I believe you don't 1:00:52.800 --> 1:00:54.600 need to take a wide receiver in the first round. 1:00:55.360 --> 1:01:00.520 There's a there's that Green Bay Packer coming out of here. Man, 1:01:01.120 --> 1:01:03.480 I'm looking I'm looking at Davante Adams, I'm looking at 1:01:03.520 --> 1:01:08.080 Stefan Diggs. I'm looking at Michael Thomas, round, I'm looking 1:01:08.120 --> 1:01:10.440 at I'm looking at all these dudes. I'm like, I mean, 1:01:10.520 --> 1:01:12.920 do I really need the fourth over first round pick. 1:01:13.000 --> 1:01:15.840 It also helps if your quarterback is good. But I mean, 1:01:15.920 --> 1:01:18.280 do I now have to invest in any of those 1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:23.840 things like quarterbacks, Yeah, but offensive tackles, pass rushers, and corners. Well, 1:01:24.160 --> 1:01:26.320 so that actually, that's that's kind of the point that 1:01:26.360 --> 1:01:28.080 I make it, And like, I get it. I get it. 1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:32.440 You once you cross a certain certain threshold, you're worth drafting. 1:01:32.520 --> 1:01:35.840 But like I'm over here thinking about Dion Jones picked 1:01:35.840 --> 1:01:38.560 in the middle of the second round. Our old friend 1:01:38.600 --> 1:01:41.520 Anthony Hitchins was a fourth round pick, still playing great 1:01:41.560 --> 1:01:44.640 for Kansas City. If I'm drafting in the top ten, 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:48.440 I want one of those money positions. I want coverage, 1:01:48.800 --> 1:01:52.840 I want pass rush. Yeah, like a great offensive tackle 1:01:52.960 --> 1:01:55.040 or if you need one, a quarterback, Like, that's what 1:01:55.200 --> 1:01:59.000 I'm looking for more so than a linebacker. You're you're 1:01:59.040 --> 1:02:01.440 saying linebackers out of money position. I mean, do we 1:02:01.520 --> 1:02:03.440 need to get into this even though we're over it's 1:02:03.480 --> 1:02:06.040 not it's not not in today's NFL. I just want 1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:11.000 to unless unless they can get after the passer, Like 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:14.720 whoever you take in the top ten, top fifteen, they 1:02:14.800 --> 1:02:17.200 have to be able to impact the quarterback in some way, 1:02:17.480 --> 1:02:20.680 either protect him, make the game easy for him, knock 1:02:20.760 --> 1:02:23.480 him down or eliminate his passes. It has to be 1:02:23.760 --> 1:02:25.800 something in that. If it's a linebacker, there's just an 1:02:25.840 --> 1:02:29.480 old two down linebacker. We can't get those guys anywhere 1:02:29.520 --> 1:02:33.280 and everywhere. Yeah, I think there's plenty of those guys 1:02:33.320 --> 1:02:37.160 sprinkled throughout the day. Two picks in a second, third round, 1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:40.040 and I think the Cowboys, I would honestly, if it's 1:02:40.080 --> 1:02:42.880 not a defensive tackle in the second round, I think 1:02:42.880 --> 1:02:45.160 it would probably be a linebacker at least that's from 1:02:45.440 --> 1:02:48.480 initial thoughts. Ensure. There's a lot of evaluation to still 1:02:48.520 --> 1:02:50.320 be had whenever it comes to that position. I was 1:02:50.360 --> 1:02:52.320 gonna say, you're just trying to put the draft class 1:02:52.440 --> 1:02:56.240 together in January exactly. There's a ton of time left, 1:02:56.320 --> 1:02:59.200 and I understand this, and there's not even a cowbine 1:02:59.240 --> 1:03:02.680 to go by. But if I had to do it today, 1:03:02.720 --> 1:03:04.240 that's probably what I think it would be. But that's 1:03:04.280 --> 1:03:06.360 gonna do it for us here on the Dallas Cowboys 1:03:06.440 --> 1:03:08.720 dot Com Draft Show. So fun to be with you 1:03:08.840 --> 1:03:11.200 guys here over the last hour and we'll be back 1:03:11.320 --> 1:03:14.720 on Tuesday, ten am Central Thursday with the other group. 1:03:15.040 --> 1:03:16.880 Just be sure to join us but for Bucky Brooks, 1:03:16.920 --> 1:03:18.800 for Brian brought us, and for David Helman. I'm Kyle 1:03:18.880 --> 1:03:21.240 Yeoman's special thanks to Chris being back in studio, We'll 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:23.800 see you next time on the Draft Show. This has 1:03:23.840 --> 1:03:26.680 been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the 1:03:26.840 --> 1:03:28.439 Dallas Cowboys Football Club.