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Speaker 1: Once up.

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Speaker 2: Mets fans and Mets Up listeners back here for episode

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Speaker 2: number twenty seven of the Met Stuff podcast. I'm your

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Speaker 2: co host Giraffneck Mark Mark Luino here with James Sheiano

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Speaker 2: Jeter had no range. A little bit later of an

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Speaker 2: episode completely my fault, your boy is traveling. I went

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Speaker 2: from North Carolina to Texas. We were gonna do it

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Speaker 2: Got to my destination in Texas a little busy, a

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Speaker 2: little busy, so I had to take a little rain

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Speaker 2: check here on James. But luckily the boys got together

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Speaker 2: this morning and we were ready to talk about Mets baseball.

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Speaker 2: Four game series up against the Philadelphia Phillies just finished

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Speaker 2: up with a Mets split. It was a very bittersweet series,

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Speaker 2: to say the least. There was some good wins, there

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Speaker 2: were some bad losses.

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Speaker 1: Overall.

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Speaker 2: The offense is struggling. That is the hot topic in

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Speaker 2: New York Mets Land right now. So we're gonna go

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Speaker 2: everything or go over everything that is New York Mets

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Speaker 2: related from this past series. Of course, if you guys

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Speaker 2: search metstup and you will find us. James, what's your

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Speaker 2: thoughts after this series, because like, I feel like there

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Speaker 2: was a lot of really big highs, a lot of

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Speaker 2: comeback wins, but also the lows just were like, really

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Speaker 2: they felt like gut punches. They weren't necessarily like you know,

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Speaker 2: but they were just like ough, they were discouraging.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the word for this series is definitely bittersweet, because

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Speaker 1: while we had two pretty important and good I don't

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Speaker 1: even want to say good. While we've won two games

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Speaker 1: against the Phillies, you watch all four of these games

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Speaker 1: and you're like viscerally aware of the fact that you

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Speaker 1: easily could have lost all of them. Like the Mets

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Speaker 1: were stone throw away from being swept in four games

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Speaker 1: at home by the Phillies, games in which they're three

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Speaker 1: top pitchers pitched, and that's not a very good feeling.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of the reverse of that Padre series where

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Speaker 1: we took three or four, where it was like we

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Speaker 1: could have won every one of these games this we

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Speaker 1: were much closer to losing every one of these games

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Speaker 1: and winning them much cel.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the Mets had to have led a

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Speaker 2: two games that we won ninth inning comebacks. We just

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Speaker 2: simply didn't get ahead, which is something that this Mets

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Speaker 2: team has done well all years, get ahead early, and

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Speaker 2: it feels like we didn't get ahead until late.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Mets entered one inning of this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that alone is not good, Like that can't happen.

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Speaker 2: That's not a recipe for success.

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Speaker 1: That feels impossible.

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Speaker 2: It should be. It should be impossible the caliber of

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Speaker 2: what is holding this team down. It's very reminiscent of

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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, where it was pitching, pitching, pitching, and we

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Speaker 2: couldn't score again, except we didn't have the talent in

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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. This year, we don't. We have the talent offensively,

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Speaker 2: not hitting. The pitching has still been lights out. Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't think we can ever blame the pitching.

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Speaker 1: No, I'll never blam mess of the best pitching statistically

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Speaker 2: Which is absolutely disgusting. It's absolutely disgusting because that was

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Speaker 2: probably our biggest question mark going into the season, was

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Speaker 1: Let's take that into Game one. Talk about Taiwan a

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Speaker 1: worst displays of offensive baseball I've ever seen in my life,

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Speaker 1: But this was another one of those games for Taiwan

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Speaker 1: fuck did you manage that like that? It's almost impossible,

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Speaker 1: But my guy just crushes the cold strikes. His command

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean it started off good the Mets

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Speaker 2: Aaron Nola and Tom Severs should never be mentioned in

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Speaker 2: ain't no Tom sever not even close. So I hate that.

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Speaker 2: And then he did it against the Mets he tied

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say Kevin Goussman, But all right, right,

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Speaker 2: Kevin, I was mid love over here. We get it.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of weird moving parts when Nola

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Speaker 1: something just clicked. But then as it was going on,

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Speaker 2: They had no clue. No, they did not know. I

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Speaker 2: that's right, like you just broke a record.

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Speaker 1: They asked for the ball. No, like the umpires asked

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Speaker 1: No, and it's also important to note that Tom Sever

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Speaker 2: That was when you had shortstop and second basemen that hey,

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Speaker 1: So my uncle also loves telling me about that game

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Speaker 1: because I believe they were playing the Padres in San Diego,

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Speaker 2: And weirdly too in this game for Nolo, as we know,

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Speaker 2: At City Field, like before seven o'clock, they're like, there.

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Speaker 1: Were shadows in there, weren't Then there's a little bit

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Speaker 1: It happened also yesterday in the game A Little Bitter.

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Speaker 1: This is the grom game. Yeah four the game too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Before we completely move on off with Taiwan, just

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Speaker 1: So yeah, which is perfectly fine. Ty the game. Lugo

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Speaker 1: We were just got walk, I mean walk and then

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Speaker 2: Yep, intentional to walk to Pete to face dom, which

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Speaker 2: I do think that's the right call. I would avoid

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Speaker 2: I think that was the right baseball.

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Speaker 1: And that was still ranger Swarez on the mount for

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Speaker 1: Yeah when you called him out for being my guy

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Speaker 2: We got Hector Santiago, who got our first guy, brother

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Speaker 1: This is different experience during a morning episode and we're

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Speaker 1: talking about sticky substances. I just had a fucking brain blast.

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Speaker 1: Garrett Cole was in my dream last night.

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Speaker 2: All right, we need to hear what this is about.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying sure Garrett Cole dream. I feel like, was

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Speaker 1: I remember him being at like one of those like

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Speaker 1: Me, we've seen him do it. Like I thought I

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Speaker 1: He's poor guy, thirty million dollars to wipe his tears with.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy you're on Twitter. Now, follow the pod, follow me,

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Speaker 1: follow Mark, get in Twitter. Game and then onto game two,

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Speaker 1: which I mean, do you like zero zero ball games?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that game was a zero zero ball game.

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Speaker 2: It had the potential to not be because Albert al

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Speaker 2: Andrew mccutchen's sick play. Of course, the dude who's knees

436
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Speaker 2: just are not working. He has been hobbled all year long.

437
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Speaker 2: He's having a great offensive year, but defensively he's forgotten

438
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Speaker 2: how to play the outfield. But he remembered for like

439
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Speaker 2: two seconds, jumped caught that ball. Fantastic catch. It originally

440
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Speaker 2: looked like it might have hit off the wall into

441
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Speaker 2: his glove. Nope, he just made a sick catch and

442
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Speaker 2: that kind of sucked all the air out of the game.

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Speaker 1: Andrew mccutchin's very good offensive year is funny because he's

444
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Speaker 1: hitting like a clean two twenty, but he has like

445
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Speaker 1: eightither nine homers, like thirty ish RBIs, thirty ish runs,

446
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Speaker 1: I think five or six steals, and like an OPS

447
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Speaker 1: plus of like one thirty five.

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Speaker 2: Dude, I think McCutcheon has like fifteen homers. If i'm

449
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Speaker 2: he has thirteen homers on the year, what thirteen homers,

450
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Speaker 2: three forty nine on base seven ninety five OPS, that'd

451
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Speaker 2: be one of the best offensive players on the New

452
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Speaker 2: York Mets.

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Speaker 1: That would actually, I think be the best offensive play

454
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Speaker 1: in the New York Mets. I'd be the most home runs,

455
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Speaker 1: the highest OPS. Besides the No, this isn't good. I

456
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Speaker 1: don't know when the Mets are going to hit. I

457
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Speaker 1: don't know. I can't believe that. And outing with Matt

458
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Speaker 1: Moore in like on a hot summer night after the

459
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Speaker 1: warm from the previous game, with momentum off a walk

460
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Speaker 1: off win, I don't know how you can hit. I

461
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Speaker 1: don't know how. It doesn't make sense.

462
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Speaker 2: Matt Moore for some reason, has the New York Mets

463
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Speaker 2: number this year, which is seemingly the only team he's

464
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Speaker 2: ever had the number of in the last five years.

465
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Speaker 2: I mean, this guy was in Japan and getting hit

466
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Speaker 2: a little bit, and he came back to America and

467
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Speaker 2: is getting hit a little bit, except by the New

468
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Speaker 2: York Mets. When you see Matt Moore on the mound,

469
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Speaker 2: it's very much the Chase Anderson stuff. Now, Matt Moore

470
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Speaker 2: is better than Chase Anderson. Of course, I don't think

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Speaker 2: we would get a hit off of Matt Moore by

472
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Speaker 2: any means. But we're also not professional baseball players the

473
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Speaker 2: New York Mets are, and with a lineup that the

474
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Speaker 2: Mets have, or that we thought that we had, there's

475
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Speaker 2: no reason Matt Moore should be going scoreless.

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Speaker 1: We also did the Classic Mets where we threw out

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Speaker 1: like a slightly worse lineup of this game, we punted

478
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Speaker 1: a little bit, yeah, Becaufoordo had the game off. Al

479
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Speaker 1: Moore was out there the whole time. I think Mazka

480
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Speaker 1: was catching, yeah, even though he actually had two hits.

481
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Speaker 2: Mozica swings man, he goes up there in hacks like

482
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Speaker 2: he's I don't think like his like top production value

483
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Speaker 2: is like gonna hit a home run, gonna hit you

484
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Speaker 2: a double there, and he'll go up there and swing

485
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Speaker 2: it though, And like that's what I feel like the

486
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Speaker 2: Mets have not been doing right now, is I feel

487
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Speaker 2: like our swings are not like we're not in the

488
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Speaker 2: driver's seat, and sometimes we get ahead on the count

489
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Speaker 2: here and it seems like a very defensive swing at

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Speaker 2: least Pat Mozika goes up there and takes some friggin hacks.

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Speaker 1: He's up to the hit like that was a big

492
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Speaker 1: lily thing. We like, you have to hit you up

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Speaker 1: to the walk, like just try and get a hit, Like,

494
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Speaker 1: why are you here if you don't want to hit it?

495
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Speaker 1: Just the Mets, I do. Like what you said, The

496
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Speaker 1: Mets are down the driver's seat and there at bats

497
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Speaker 1: and they're all very aware that they're struggling. Everyone knows

498
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Speaker 1: it we kind of like took a time machine back

499
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Speaker 1: to April. We remember this was going on in April.

500
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Speaker 1: All these guys couldn't hit. We're like, what's wrong, what's wrong?

501
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. Some point everyone got hurt and we

502
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: kind of played like a different season for a little while.

503
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Speaker 1: This like we got in this weird universe of like

504
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Speaker 1: we suck, everybody sucks. Let's just bring everyone, drag everyone

505
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Speaker 1: down to the muck and the mire and win a

506
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Speaker 1: couple of games with nonsense. And now everyone's back and

507
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Speaker 1: it's like, oh we still can't hit. Wow, I forgot

508
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:01,400
Speaker 1: when that happened.

509
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Speaker 2: It's I know that like these guys coming off the

510
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Speaker 2: al there's gonna be a little bit of like a

511
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Speaker 2: grace period for them to get back into the rhythm

512
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Speaker 2: of things. And that was kind of the issue again

513
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Speaker 2: at the start, like you said, like the days off,

514
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 2: the rain outs, everything like getting into the rhythm. But

515
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Speaker 2: at some point, like we got to see McNeil step up.

516
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Speaker 2: We gotta see Lindor be better, we gotta see Alonso,

517
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Speaker 2: dom Smith, Confordo. All these guys have to play like

518
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Speaker 2: the players that we know they are, because if this

519
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Speaker 2: team wants to do big things. We can't keep having

520
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 2: these two to one, one nothing three two victories. We

521
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Speaker 2: gotta start scoring some runs. We're not built like the

522
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Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Rays, who can win games like that every

523
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Speaker 2: single day. The Mets need to be better.

524
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Speaker 1: I actually think the Mets are I want to say,

525
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Speaker 1: built like Tampa Bay Rays, but the Mets are built

526
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Speaker 1: in a way where they can win those games most days.

527
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Speaker 1: The Mets don't need explosive offense to win baseball games.

528
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Speaker 1: As we've seen. The pitcher's gonna aggress a little bit

529
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Speaker 1: as long as no one comes back from injury in

530
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Speaker 1: their future and no trade is made. But we have

531
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Speaker 1: the bullpen defense to win a lot of these late

532
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Speaker 1: inning games, win a lot of these fifty fifty games,

533
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Speaker 1: a lot of these games that were actually for the sixty.

534
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Speaker 1: That's a new phrase I'm gonna coin this weekend. The

535
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Speaker 1: Mets have been able to find a way to win

536
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Speaker 1: those and that is I think mildly sustainable, but not

537
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Speaker 1: sustainable in the way that win us a World Series.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think, And that's like my point, Like, yeah,

539
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Speaker 2: I think, like in a one run game, I don't

540
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Speaker 2: have doubt in this team and I think when it's

541
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Speaker 2: a one run game the other way, while we're down, like,

542
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Speaker 2: I think we have a chance to win that game

543
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Speaker 2: very well. It's just there's gonna be times where it's

544
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Speaker 2: like three nothing like we saw in Game four, which

545
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Speaker 2: we'll get to at some point, and it just feels

546
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Speaker 2: like we can't even come back at all.

547
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that that three nothing game felt like we were

548
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Speaker 1: down thirty runs. But before we continue to pontificate in

549
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Speaker 1: the offense, I want to talk about David Peterson because

550
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Speaker 1: he took another step forward on Friday night. It was very,

551
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Speaker 1: very positive performance from Peterson. He was very in control.

552
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Speaker 1: He seems to be putting all his pitches where he

553
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Speaker 1: won his command. Seems most of the way back his

554
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: whift pitches have were crushing it. The four seemer and

555
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Speaker 1: the slider two pitches I mentioned many times this year.

556
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Speaker 1: The four seemer have four whiffs and sixteen swings. Slider

557
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: had five whiffs on thirteen swings, and neither of those

558
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Speaker 1: pitches allow the ball and play over ninety miles an hour,

559
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Speaker 1: not even the new twenty five mile and hour hard

560
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: hit threshold. Even below that, No Philly put the ball

561
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Speaker 1: in play of ninety miles an hour off either of

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Speaker 1: those pitches. He still had the sinker and change up

563
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Speaker 1: in the mix, but those two were just a little

564
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Speaker 1: bit less effective, Which is so weird that he was

565
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Speaker 1: drafted in the first round for that sinker and that

566
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Speaker 1: change up and they're just so clearly his third and

567
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: fourth best pitches at this point. That home run by Harper,

568
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Speaker 1: it was a sinker that he just left up.

569
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Speaker 2: That was such a bad pitch. That was bad.

570
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Speaker 1: Sinker, high and middle, Like even I think it felt

571
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Speaker 1: like it was above the strike zone. Harper like went

572
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Speaker 1: up and got it because it was such a fat

573
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Speaker 1: pitch and he just amolished it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just gotta be smarter. It was O two

575
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Speaker 2: as well, which like that's a killer, and Peterson knew

576
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Speaker 2: it too. He threw was like yeah, Like I think

577
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Speaker 2: consciously like of course he's not like, oh, I'm gonna

578
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: beat Bryce Harper up in the zone. But I think

579
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Speaker 2: the Mets sometimes gotta be a little smarter. You can't

580
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Speaker 2: throw Bryce Harper up in the zone unless you're Jacob

581
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Speaker 2: de Grom. He's gonna catch up to ninety two.

582
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Speaker 1: There's no way that that he purposefully threw a pitch

583
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Speaker 1: to Bryce Harper up in the zone unless they have

584
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Speaker 1: some scattering report that you could fool Bryce Harper with

585
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Speaker 1: a high sinker and try and nip that top corner,

586
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Speaker 1: like MB the show. That's something that has happen in

587
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Speaker 1: this year across baseball a little bit. But that was

588
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: just the wrong call in that situation.

589
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Speaker 2: But I just I just hate the idea to like,

590
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Speaker 2: oh two, we're not throwing a ball to a lefty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Or if you're gonna throw Harper sinker, throw something

592
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Speaker 1: in the shadow, make him have to chase it. Just

593
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Speaker 1: hit a ground ball. Harper does have such a good

594
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Speaker 1: eye and he's very selectively aggressive that sometimes you can't

595
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Speaker 1: really try and strike him out in traditional ways like

596
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Speaker 1: oh two, slide it down like he's a little bit

597
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: smarter than that. But there's no reason that David pe

598
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Speaker 1: should should give up one solo home run to Bryce

599
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Speaker 1: Harper and feel like he failed the Mets.

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Speaker 2: Correct because he didn't. The offense failed him. He pitched

601
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Speaker 2: a hell of a game.

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Speaker 1: You feel like I'm facing Matt Moore. Bryce Harper got

603
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Speaker 1: me one time, like we should win this game seven

604
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Speaker 1: to one.

605
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Speaker 2: It's just it's so frustrating. Matt friggin more, Matt Moore,

606
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Speaker 2: we couldn't hit.

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Speaker 1: I felt like Rojas did something good to try and

608
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Speaker 1: like psyche this team up during It was a fourth

609
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Speaker 1: inning and your may made a nice play in the

610
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Speaker 1: hole and he threw it to McNeil and it was

611
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Speaker 1: just kind of like a late developing double play, and

612
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Speaker 1: I don't remember who slid in, but it looked like

613
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Speaker 1: they slid like not late, but in that range where

614
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Speaker 1: like you're making a baseball player, you're trying to break

615
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Speaker 1: it up. And McNeil threw the ball away and let

616
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Speaker 1: the guy get back to second base, and Rojas came

617
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Speaker 1: to the top seven. He was chirping at the umpires

618
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Speaker 1: trying to get interference call. I think he just argued

619
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Speaker 1: too long and he missed his window to speak, like

620
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Speaker 1: to actually get a review win. I just like that.

621
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Speaker 1: I think Rojas is showing more emotion.

622
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Speaker 2: I think we're seeing him evolve as a manager. I

623
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Speaker 2: think he's finally starting to get comfortable, which is stuff

624
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Speaker 2: that we've been like, we've been noticing as the months

625
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Speaker 2: and games have gone on. We've been saying Rojas has

626
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Speaker 2: been doing a lot better with bullpen management, with substitutions,

627
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Speaker 2: with making decisions and stuff and even with chirping guys. Now,

628
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Speaker 2: this is a guy who is quiet and quiet as

629
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Speaker 2: a mouse. Last year, this year he's given the umpire

630
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Speaker 2: shit seemingly every single game, which I love.

631
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Speaker 1: Lots of shit balls and strikes. It's his maturations, the

632
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: maturation of Louis Rojas. He's still a young manager. He's

633
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Speaker 1: still even young manager, and just.

634
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Speaker 2: In terms of age hundred well, yeah, he's one hundred

635
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Speaker 2: and thirty games in probably or one hundred and twenty

636
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Speaker 2: games into his managerial career and he's what thirty seven

637
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Speaker 2: thirty eight.

638
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, there's players many players in Major League Baseball

639
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: older than Louis Rojas, to Cardinals to their two best

640
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: players basically older than Louis Rojas. But I just like

641
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Speaker 1: that we saw we're trying to see a little bit

642
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Speaker 1: an element. I think this team didn't need a spark.

643
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Speaker 1: It didn't work, We didn't get the spark, but at

644
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: least he tried.

645
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 2: Definitely tried. It's just it just fell short. Again, just

646
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Speaker 2: a little short.

647
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Speaker 1: Name of this episode is bittersweet, like that seventh they

648
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Speaker 1: think rally was so fucking bittersweet. It's comforting that we

649
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: could just set our watch to a big Philly error

650
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Speaker 1: in the last ending of games, like every single game, like, oh,

651
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: Philly's gonna make an ediror just wait for the error

652
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna come.

653
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: I was talking with my dad. The Phillies just play

654
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: like bad baseball. They just play really really bad baseball.

655
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: Like you want to watch good baseball, you watch the

656
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay Rays, you watch the Houston Astros, you watch

657
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: the Dodgers, the Padres, the Giants, you'll watch good baseball.

658
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 2: You want to watch some really really bad baseball. Talk

659
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: about poor bullpen management, talk about terrible defense. You watch

660
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Phillies. That team is possibly the most defensively

661
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: inep team I've ever seen.

662
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: Mark, they got Joe Girardi, old school fundamental baseball, that's

663
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: what they did.

664
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: They should have gotten Buck show Walter instead.

665
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: I would like those two guys to manage in tandem.

666
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: I want both them and Dug out like maybe give

667
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: each of them boxing gloves so they could settle their

668
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: disputes between one another. Or maybe give Buck Sho Walter

669
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 1: like weighted gloves because he's a little bit older than Joe,

670
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: a little bit worse shaped, a little bit smaller to

671
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: But I want to bring baseball to those days. I

672
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: want to see those guys fighting the dugout. I want

673
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: someone knock a tooth out.

674
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: And like, I don't think the Phillies, you know, struggles

675
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 2: are necessarily Joe Girardi's fault. He literally has no options

676
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: in the bullpen. You throw anybody and they are seemingly

677
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: gonna find a way to fuck it up. But also defensively,

678
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: my god, I mean, Alec Bohm has just fallen off

679
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: the face of the earth this.

680
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: Year, completely crazed. He's went from being like one of

681
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: the most exciting young players in the league, a guy

682
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: who we said specifically would be a thorn in the

683
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: meds side for a decade, to come to a non entity.

684
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's sophomore slump. Like I think,

685
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 2: I still believe in Alec Bohm. I still think he's

686
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: gonna end up being a very good hitter. It's just

687
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: where do you play him in the field. You're gonna

688
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: have to make the choice at some point of Hoskins

689
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: or Boom. And right now, because Hoskins is hitting him boom,

690
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: isn't you clearly choose Reese.

691
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: That Aaron the seventh inning, he just like didn't catch

692
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: a ball.

693
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: It just clanked it, Like what the.

694
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: Fuck are you doing? And then it's just worse because

695
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: the Mets like so easily could have won this game,

696
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 1: like they had multiple men on again, bases loaded nobody

697
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: out eventually and the Zeka struck out, which I mean,

698
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: I don't know that's gonna happen, Miss Mesica. Like, I

699
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: know he's a magnet for these uh big situations, but

700
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: he's just still Pat Meska.

701
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 2: We were pushing our luck to he had two hits already.

702
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he're the guys head. The other guys said

703
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: that can go three for three, Pat Meska. But the

704
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: one issue I had this inning, this is the slight issue.

705
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: It's a minor issue. These are the issues you noticed

706
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: when the team just can't hit it all. I was

707
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: a little bit perturbed. And Michael Confordo's at bat Canfordler

708
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: didn't play this game. I don't think they wanted him

709
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: playing a full double header still coming off the hamstring injury,

710
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: even though Jef Bannil could play both games double header

711
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: coming off the same jury for the same time not issue.

712
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: He worked in the count of three and zero. There's

713
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: man of first and second, nobody out. He's a pinch

714
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: hither he's coming in the game as our proverbial three hitter.

715
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: Some people will argue he's probably the best actual hitter

716
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: on this team, especially at points when he looks good

717
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: and well. And he watched the pick pitch go right

718
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: down the dick, three to zero, right down the dick.

719
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: He ended up working a walk, I believe, on the

720
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: very next pitch. So now we have bases loaded, nobody

721
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: out and said first and second. But at some point

722
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: we brought you into this game to hit. This comes

723
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: back to the argument you're up to the hit, you're

724
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: not there the walk. I know. The walk ended up

725
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: getting us to tie the game because McCann eventually hit

726
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: the sack fly and the ball that should have been

727
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: out I should.

728
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: Have been Oh my god, and how did and how

729
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: did a duple get there? How did how did the

730
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: Mets happen to crusher baseball that stayed in the park

731
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: and also stayed up that long. O'dubel Herrero was playing

732
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: so shallow. He's also a god awful cent center fielder.

733
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: And it got off the humans, yes, and it got

734
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: awful human trash, But how does he get there and

735
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: make that catch too?

736
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: Just and forth? I feel like it has to be

737
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: aware in the situation that Pat Mizek is on deck,

738
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: Peter lond' is not on deck, You're not in the

739
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: three hole, Like we're not working the walk to get

740
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: to the middle of our order, Like this is the

741
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: bottom of our order. This is it. And I think

742
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: also mccannon did pinch hit as well. Yes, I wish

743
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: I would have seen some more aggressions to make something

744
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: happen and try and win a game rather than tie it.

745
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: Now to get a little bit on like a tangent

746
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: here about Mets approach. Do you think, because this is

747
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: something that we've talked about, the Mets, I think lead

748
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: baseball and bases loaded walks, And this is a really,

749
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: really weird stat We're getting this minutiae here, but they

750
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: lead the league in bases loaded walks, and I feel

751
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: like this is a sign of their approach that they

752
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: are very much looking to walk when they get up

753
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: to the plate. And this is something I've mentioned to you.

754
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: It feels like they're looking to walk instead of getting

755
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: hits at times. Do you think that like this Michael

756
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: Canfordo at bat proves that or do you think that's

757
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: like more of just because, like you said, he should

758
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: be up there trying to swing and it did help

759
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: the team. I don't want to we.

760
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: Would take it. We wouldn't have got that man to

761
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: third base without Michael Canfourla walking and pushing everyone ahead.

762
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 2: But I think it gives us a little insight into

763
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: what's going on in the Mets hitters' minds, and it

764
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: seems like it's walk over aggressive trying to get the

765
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: hit that pushes us forward.

766
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: And I think that's also a baseball thing, even more

767
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: so than the Mets. I think that there's a lot

768
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: that goes on in modern base where guys don't want

769
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: to make mistakes. I don't even know if it specifically

770
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: because they don't want to fuck something up, or it's

771
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: because they don't want to screw stats up. Guys aren't

772
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: scared about striking out. We know that, but I think

773
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: like a mastery of the strike zone is becoming something

774
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: that we're very used to with players, so I don't

775
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: think guys want to extend in any way. I think

776
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: there's also probably more walks in baseball now than we've

777
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: ever seen ever, Like there's just guys are taking type pitches,

778
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: guys are being less aggressive. I don't know. Canforetho has

779
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: always been like this too, can Fourlo's always had a

780
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: little bit of a passivity passivity okay that sounds good,

781
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: a passivity about the way he approaches the plate, and

782
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: I think that's always been something that's kind of held

783
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: him back from taking the next step forward and going

784
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: from a good player to a great player. Having that

785
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: like tenacity to be like I'm gonna I don't really

786
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: care about taking a walk here, like I'm going to

787
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: get this hit like. He has never been able to

788
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: be selectively aggressive, and I think that is the problem

789
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: with his entire Mets roster right now, because everyone knows

790
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: they're struggling. And I think that when you take a walk,

791
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: it's a very safe outcome. You can't get worse taking

792
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: a walk.

793
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: I really like that take, and that I think sums

794
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: up the Mets offerens right now, is that you can't

795
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: get an out when you walk, No, and it feels

796
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: like the Mets are afraid to make outs swing in

797
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: the bat sometimes.

798
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: It does feel like that. That's why that Lindora at

799
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: bat in Game one was come comforting. It kind of

800
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: felt like something was some it like that the guy

801
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: wanted to take matters into his own hands and be

802
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: in control. That got him in trouble in Game three,

803
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: was going to get to in just a few minutes.

804
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: But I feel more comfortable with it, like a very

805
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: good player at the plate who is like up there

806
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: to win it. Like even when a man on second

807
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: in a one run game, just a simple single for

808
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: Michael knfour though, will bring that guy home. I think

809
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: McKinny was on second base, who has some wheels. Yeah,

810
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: and also the fact that Confourdo came right out of

811
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: this game. He didn't remain in the game just to

812
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: pinch hit and then he play extra innings in the

813
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: field even after we tired, like Blankenhorn went out to

814
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: right field.

815
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they caught the ball in this eighth inning.

816
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is this is all you're doing. You

817
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: are just coming here for one at bat to hit,

818
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: and you just you don't even take the bat off

819
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: your shoulder.

820
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting. I think this is something we're

821
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: gonna have to monitor with the Mets over the next

822
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, is what these at bats are gonna

823
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: look like because we walk, we walk a ton. We

824
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: don't hit a lot, though, and right now that feels

825
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: like the difference between us winning and losing games sometimes

826
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: is those hits is we're not getting the hits when

827
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: the guys are on we're getting those walks they are.

828
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: But there was a time not very long ago where

829
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: we were getting a lot of hits. Whom on the

830
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: Mets in the month of June have had one of

831
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: the highest batting average with runners in scoring position in baseball,

832
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: And that was the big thing that was wrong with

833
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: this team earlier in the year that we didn't have

834
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: the risk. We didn't have the risk. We didn't have

835
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: the risk.

836
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: What is risk?

837
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: Now? We have it? Kind Of sometimes I guess a

838
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: little bit, and maybe not this week, but I don't know.

839
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: It just seems like it almost seems mental why this

840
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: team can't hit.

841
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could definitely see that. I don't know. We

842
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: could probably talk about this forever and try to get

843
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: into the inner workings of the New York Mets hitters' minds.

844
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: But really, the Confordo walk thing didn't lose us the game, No,

845
00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: I just.

846
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: Wanted to pick on something I think was a symptom

847
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: of a larger issue, and maybe we can't identify exactly

848
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: what that issue is. I have a couple of stats

849
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: in the throw after we do all four games in

850
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it's just something weird is happening

851
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: with this team. It's like we're cursed.

852
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then seventh inning or eighth inning, I should say,

853
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 2: Sean Reid Foley comes into the game instead of Edwin Diaz,

854
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 2: which was a bit of a head scratcher because if

855
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: there's ever an opportunity to put in Edwin Diaz, it

856
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: felt like that was the inning.

857
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: Yep.

858
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: And while Sean Reid Foley technically got the loss and

859
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: blew the game, he really didn't end up doing anything wrong.

860
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: It was just Manford baseball. And we also got a

861
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: little unlucky where the ball up the middle, Lindor kind

862
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: of bobbled it a little bit, had the guy dead

863
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: the rights at third also still a tough throw throwing

864
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 2: two third base from the position he was at.

865
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: It didn't seem like the bobbles what did it. It just

866
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: seemed like he didn't have a lane. I was sitting

867
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: right on the third base side, like I was like,

868
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: just staring into Francisco Lindor's soul when that happened, and

869
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: base on where I was staying, there's no way he

870
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: could have thrown that ball. It just would have opened

871
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: up the floodgates potentially, and I think.

872
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he still got an out, which I

873
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: think was like the right baseball play, Like I think

874
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: you like the thought process you saw he consciously was like,

875
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: I had a chance at third and then decided, no,

876
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: we're gonna get the out at first, which then set

877
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: up the Lui ski Or May play, which, oh my god,

878
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: he almost made the sickest play on that. Of course,

879
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: the ball popped out, but then he somehow recovered it

880
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 2: and got the guy out at first, which Luiski Orme

881
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: is our king. We've been saying that for ever we stand.

882
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: Luiski or May. He's one of the few guys who

883
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: I love his approach to the play. Dude, he's passively aggressive.

884
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: He doesn't punish you with home runs, but he goes

885
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: up there and it feels like he has a plan.

886
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: Definitely, And then just while we kill this game, is

887
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: cool to note that reed Foley coming in for it

888
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: was I'm sure expected to be a one inning role.

889
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: He was able to get that fastball up a little

890
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: bit higher, kind of show him to have a little

891
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: bit higher of the ceiling in a one inning role.

892
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: He was sitting ninety five. He's been sitting in the

893
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: ninety threes when he's come in for longer periods of

894
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: time this year, which was pretty cool. I like that.

895
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And unfortunately the Mets offense.

896
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just couldn't. We couldn't get a similar run

897
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: with matfree baseball. We just couldn't get put the ball

898
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: in play the right ways. And we had the top

899
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: for Orther up too.

900
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, just bad at bats bata bats. So we lost

901
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: that one. The high of Game one was quickly erased

902
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: by Game two, leading us into Game three to Gram Day.

903
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: Everyone gets excited for de gram Day, as you should.

904
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: Best picture in baseball, one of the best pictures of

905
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: all time on the mound going up against the Phillies.

906
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: And I gotta say de Gram looked human, which is

907
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: funny to say, because he was still like good, still great.

908
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's still really good, Like he just wasn't super dominant,

909
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: like he didn't seem as like in unbelievable controls he

910
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: has last couple of times, So it wasn't like a

911
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: no hitter. Watch this game now, like you felt the

912
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: last couple of times he threw like six innings, five k's,

913
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: two earns, one walk hit by pit. Sports Center said,

914
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: he struggled. That's my bad Mets take of the week.

915
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: That was like on the bottom line, like Jacob de

916
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: Graham struggles, like are you fucking kidding me? Like do

917
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: you see those stats?

918
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, one run, really struggled or two runs whatever. It

919
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: was really just he was on the ropes all game.

920
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: No, even in just the six innings when he struggled,

921
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: he threw eighteen pitches above one hundred miles an hour

922
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: without rounding. Yeah, he's just he's still that good. Slyer

923
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: was slide. This was the first time all year that

924
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: he actually threw more breaking balls than fastballs, which I

925
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: thought was something interesting to note. He also, so I

926
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: feel like I know this on the television, it seemed

927
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: like he had two different breaking balls. He was using

928
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: not really an up and down curve, but he introduced

929
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: this kind of slurvy type thing. And if you look

930
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: on Savant or Fangrafs or Brooks Baseball, if anyone gets

931
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: really in the weeds with pitching, they still list all

932
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: of them at slytherers and that kind of makes his

933
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 1: movement and his velocity readings for that pitch look differently

934
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: in terms of the whole year spectrum. But it's very

935
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: clear those were two different pitches. So I think that

936
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: de gram is starting to get deeper and deeper into

937
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: the arsenal as this season's going on. Also just seems

938
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: like he just didn't have the feel this game, so

939
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: he was trying a little bit more to get guys out.

940
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again like while he wasn't the degrominant guy

941
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: that we normally see, he gave up two earned runs

942
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: and six innings. Again, there's no reason the Mets can't

943
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: put up two against this Philadelphia Phillies pitching. Offense just struggled, struggled,

944
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: struggled early again.

945
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: Lost. We're completely lost. Second inning, second and third, nobody

946
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: out with a run home, couldn't get one guy in.

947
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: McNeil looks like he's never even played this game before.

948
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: He looks like they just handed him a piece of

949
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: wood and they were like, you have to hit the ball.

950
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: He's like where we've talked about red ass with McNeil

951
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: like that's something that you've been like very vocal about.

952
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: Like this guy gets big red ass, gets super super

953
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: hard on himself. He's gotta relax. It's getting to the

954
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: point where it's like, Jeff, like we all know, like

955
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: it's not been a great season this year, but every

956
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: single time you get at the play, I love the intensity,

957
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: I love the fire, but we can't be screaming fuck

958
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: and slamming helmets and breaking bats every single time you

959
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 2: get out. You're gonna get out seventy percent of the time,

960
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: even if you're sick.

961
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: He does the same look every time too. He goes

962
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: like this, he takes the helmet off like a step

963
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: before first base, and.

964
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: He's like like I feel like he's pressing too hard,

965
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: and I feel like that's so affecting his play, and

966
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: like he doesn't need to. Like, you're a second baseman,

967
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: you're a guy. You're gonna be there every day. Just

968
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: go up there to do your thing, get get your hits,

969
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: smack it around, be aggressive. Don't change the player that

970
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: you once were, because now you're pressing and it's affecting

971
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: your play. Like you went through a slump and you're

972
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: making it now turn into like a full season stretch

973
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: kind of thing.

974
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: And they also kind of use their only trick right

975
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: when he came off the il by putting leadoff. Yeah,

976
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: like that's always been kind of like the thing like, oh,

977
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: we'll make me a leadoff, that'll get him going again. Well,

978
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: now he's leadoff and he still isn't going. I don't

979
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: know what to do next to him. Also, Lindor had

980
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: a pretty awful game over five here the big the

981
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 1: big fuck up with the ninth inning, But that's talking

982
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: about that in a couple minutes. I'm just really happy

983
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: that Polar bailed us out.

984
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: You know, he probably truthfully has the best approach on

985
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: the steamer. And I said about Yorme, but Polar has

986
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: been a guy who's been like very very selectively aggressive.

987
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: He's never been a big walk guy to begin with,

988
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: because he's always been like a guy I'm gonna go

989
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: up there and swing. But it's been like working out.

990
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: And while he says like an ops like seven eleven

991
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: or seven twenty whatever, it is nothing that makes you

992
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: go like, hey, wow, what a year. He's going up

993
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: there and he's swinging, he's taken hacks. I want to

994
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: see some hacks. I feel like he's rarely fooled and

995
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: giving me defensive swings, and I hate defensive swings unless

996
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 2: there's two strikes.

997
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: It just seems like he really wants to hit the ball.

998
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: Like like we said, Laura, his guys seemed like they

999
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: want to walk. Kevin Plart does not get cheated. Maybe

1000
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: you have to just live close to the sun like

1001
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: Kevin Billard to act this way, and you have to

1002
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: break your face, and you have to play independent baseball

1003
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: and like get drafted like the twenty fifth round or

1004
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: whatever happened to him. You gotta just you gotta be

1005
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: disrespected three consecutive offseasons by different franchises. Like maybe you

1006
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: just gotta crazy shit like that, you got rub some

1007
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: dirt on and play baseball. I also don't know how

1008
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: his ball got out.

1009
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin Billar, he's got some magic on him. I'm

1010
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna believe in him. One of the LR brothers.

1011
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 2: He gets it done when we're missing Jonathan.

1012
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: He does have some magic. Yeah, I wish we had

1013
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: Jonathan Arr of the series. Maybe it's been a lot different.

1014
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: It could have been much worse. Actually playing left fifty

1015
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: fifty games like he could sometimes tellt the scales in

1016
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: the wrong direction. Yeah, just can't hit. We just can't hit.

1017
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 1: Can't hit.

1018
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: Just can't hit.

1019
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: We can't hit. Manage the tidy game by a miracle

1020
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: between Piazza and Polar which is just that's funny that

1021
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: all these guys are back in the other and those

1022
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: the two with the RBIs and then I hate this narrative,

1023
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: but thy game Diaz strikes again.

1024
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: He is so allergic to pitching well in the non

1025
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 2: save situation, it's laughable at this point where you have

1026
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 2: to keep putting him in here. He's got to figure

1027
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: it out at some point in the non save stuff,

1028
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: like because the Tai game is a save situation in

1029
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: my eyes, you're saving the game, you're extending it. Yeah,

1030
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: maybe the Mets, you know, give me a call. I'm

1031
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: gonna I'm in Queens. You can find me. Let's let

1032
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: me talk to Edwin before he goes out there and say, hey,

1033
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 2: it's it's it's a tie game. That's a save situation, Edwin.

1034
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you saves, like you know how Ohio

1035
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: State gives the stickers obviously, Yeah, you're Ohio State fan.

1036
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: We need to give Edwin Ds stickers who are coming

1037
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: into the TI game, and like, we figured out, like

1038
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: we need the World Baseball Classic atmosphere, so we got

1039
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: them the trumpets. Now we need him stickers for non

1040
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: save situations so he has something to play for.

1041
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: Closers are such like children. Is so funny, how particular

1042
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: all these guys need more like everything in the world

1043
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: for this to happen. He also the irony of that

1044
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: ninth inning was that the Phillies didn't even hit anything.

1045
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: He just couldn't throw strike, Like the ball was everywhere.

1046
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: It was outside, it was inside, high, low, like there

1047
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: was no semblance of anything that he could have done.

1048
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: And it makes me, it makes me think there might

1049
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: be something like minutely wrong with him because him not

1050
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: being used Friday was curious. Especially in Thai games. He's

1051
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: been successful with the man on second base, like that

1052
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: is the thing that will send his mind into next year.

1053
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: He actually can do well with that. But the straight

1054
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: ups high game going on is something wrong. He just

1055
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: he had no command. The velo was down a little bit,

1056
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: like he might just be a little bit tired. He's

1057
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: been used a lot this year. He's been the saving

1058
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: grace of this team like he could be gassed.

1059
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: He's a guy who in the past has said that

1060
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 2: he likes pitching a ton, though, so I don't I mean, like, yes,

1061
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: he can still be gassed and like to pitch a lot.

1062
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: That doesn't really those don't correlate, but he.

1063
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: Likes to pitch a lot. But his last outing, which

1064
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: was Tuesday or Wednesday, I can't remember, he had a

1065
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: very long inding if you remember, I think he threw

1066
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: like thirty five ish pitches, So I think they probably

1067
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: want to gi him three days off. Edwin probably will

1068
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: pitch three days in a row if it's three nine

1069
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: pitch outings where he strikes out the side like I

1070
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: feel great, I love you throw me again. But now

1071
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: when he's laboring in like first like a like a

1072
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: swingman's workload, like that is weird. But luckily got bailed out.

1073
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: He actually got the win, which is the stupid stat

1074
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: in baseball because he blew the game and got the win.

1075
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: Yep, and Gory built him out too, and then yeah, yeah, well.

1076
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: That that nice tag on the steal. That was cool.

1077
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: He's fantastic.

1078
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: Gior May followed up up with like the ballsiest that

1079
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: bad I've ever seen from a guy in NIGHTE thinning.

1080
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he's just he's so good man. We love

1081
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: We talked about him in the off season in our

1082
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: like preseason episode, we hyped him up, but like for

1083
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: good reason. He's not gonna be the guy that lights

1084
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: up the stat sheet, but he is the player the Mets,

1085
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: aren't you in the little things right now? Him and

1086
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: Polar are the two guys who are Yeah.

1087
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: When I was at the game in f I was

1088
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: with two friends who like they're they like baseball, they're

1089
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: not really any any kind of Mets fans at all,

1090
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: and they were like, who is that guy? I was like,

1091
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: who is that guy? Who's that guy?

1092
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: Leuiski? He or maybe my dad.

1093
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: We should talk about Lindor's that bad because he just

1094
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: really tried to be a hero again and he's just

1095
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: like with with with with because nothing was close And

1096
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: just to get back to our hitting discussion from a

1097
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: few minutes ago, the Mets didn't actually even get a

1098
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: true hit that inning. We got an infield single. I

1099
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: don't remember who it was, either McKinney or Lincoln Horn

1100
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: or Polar, I don't know. Someone got didn't field single,

1101
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: then walk walk sackfly game over.

1102
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: Very much the way Mets baseball has been winning by

1103
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: not actually really hitting.

1104
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: No can for the got sackfly, Like it's kind of

1105
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: awkward to do the walk off celebration after a sack fly.

1106
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got it out and like you win. I also,

1107
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw the replay of it,

1108
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: Like one off the bat, it looked like Canforido hit

1109
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: it better upon further review jammed. That ball was a hanger.

1110
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: How are we getting jammed so much unhanging pitches. It's like,

1111
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: I don't know we're getting into like the mechanics of

1112
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: hitting right now. But whatever the Mets are doing at

1113
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: the plate, there's just something that's a little off. Whether

1114
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: it's the approach, whether it's the mechanics, whether it's this

1115
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: or that, something's just a little off. Once they figure

1116
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: it out, which I'm hoping Hugh, your boy quaddle Bomb

1117
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,959
Speaker 2: figure it out, because because right now it's not Chillie

1118
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 2: Davis's fault.

1119
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: No, certainly, listen, I don't think anyone would argue it

1120
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: was Anthony Decmo. He's a boy that's mess beat. Rather

1121
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: that's exists in the world. He can he kind of

1122
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: upset me with his little tweet yesterday he dropped the

1123
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: Mets hitting stats with Chili Davis, the Mets hitting stats

1124
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: with Quacklebomb, like the runs per game, the adding average,

1125
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: the ops to slugging, and I was like, there's some

1126
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: different players for most of that stretch.

1127
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, not really fair. When Joe Neschwi Fargas Khalili, and

1128
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: Cameron Mayban were starting out.

1129
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: Field, Yeah, Cameron Maybeen had like seventy at bats. I

1130
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: think Mason Williams had like fifty at bats. Like, I

1131
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: think we should pump the brakes on, like the full comparisons.

1132
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: I'm not blaming a hitting coach for anything, and for

1133
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: an end season adjustment, I do think widlal Bomb is

1134
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: probably a more adept coach given the modern baseball landscape.

1135
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: Firing the coach never actually the coach's fault, like it's

1136
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: the players.

1137
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: No, the players have to play. I also wonder, because

1138
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: we're getting McNeil, we're getting conford O back, we're getting

1139
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 2: these guys back. Now, how much have they really done

1140
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: with Quadalbam Never he came in right when they kind

1141
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: of got hurt.

1142
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably like two weeks with them. They were in

1143
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: the clubhouse. And dug out the whole time, so I'm

1144
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: sure they were still preparing with the guys who were starving,

1145
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: still involved with the video sessions things like that, but

1146
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: you can't actually until you put that into practice. It's

1147
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: kind of hard to tell.

1148
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1149
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: I also particularly just want to touch on a couple

1150
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: quotes from Dominic Conford though after these first three games,

1151
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: where they talked about his team's ability to win despite

1152
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: offensive struggles. Dom said it like they were like, how

1153
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: do you feel like? You guys are winning? But you

1154
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: guys don't. It doesn't really look pretty, and he was like,

1155
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: I know, it doesn't look pretty, but the only thing

1156
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: that matters. We're in first place. The team finds away

1157
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: to win games, and Can four the built on that,

1158
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: saying that this Mets team is able to win differently

1159
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: than the teams he's been on in the past, including

1160
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: a team that went to a World Series, which is

1161
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: kind of funny you think about that. Can fourth though,

1162
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: actually was part of a World Series run. He's kind

1163
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: of become like an old statesman in this room. It's

1164
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: kind of cool. The Mets two and three hitters I

1165
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: both played in the World Series, but I digress. I

1166
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: didn't like those quotes at first because it made me

1167
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: think like this process isn't very good, Like who we win?

1168
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: Who cares? Like that's an old, old old man take

1169
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: and something I got him. Wainwright with have said like

1170
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: four years ago when he sucked. But now I do

1171
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: kind of agree with them that we are able to

1172
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: do these little things. Well, I feel like we're running

1173
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: the bases better than years past, We're playing much better

1174
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: defense than ever before, and we're not timely hitting, but

1175
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: we're timely walking.

1176
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 2: The team is definitely better. I mean, we're in first place.

1177
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: I don't think I really need to explain that we're

1178
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: much better. But I think it can get lost in

1179
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: the shuffle sometimes because you can be so focused on

1180
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: the regression of the offense from years past, But then

1181
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 2: you also got to realize how much better this team's

1182
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: got on the pitching side. Hefner, We've talked about him.

1183
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: He's been sick. You want to talk about a coach

1184
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: making a difference, Jeremy Hefner. And then defensively, this team's

1185
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: been fantastic, one of the best defensive teams in baseball.

1186
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: We've been running the bases better, which is something we've

1187
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: always struggled with. We seemingly have had these athletes that

1188
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 2: can't run the bases like a Metrosario in the past.

1189
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: Now we got we're getting the yeah who, We're getting

1190
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: the extra base on balls and stuff. So this team

1191
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: is better. This team is still very, very good. And

1192
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: I think that's the where Domin canford O We're trying

1193
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: to get is that while there are issues here, think

1194
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: about it, with issues, we're still very good. So once

1195
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: we do get around and fix those, like I guess,

1196
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: major deficiencies on the offensive side, this team's scary. Now

1197
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: at some point we do have to fix them. We

1198
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: can't keep talking about this team is going to be

1199
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: scary when X happens, because, as we know, the season's

1200
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: only so long. You got to you gotta make it

1201
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 2: happen at some point. But it's encouraging that even when

1202
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 2: we stink, we're still good.

1203
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: On top of that, seems like this team is very together.

1204
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: It seems like everyone is very on the ball, Everyone

1205
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: is very very focused. DSHA had an article that actually

1206
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: came out early this morning about how the team has

1207
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: like dance part of these apparently in the clubhouse after wins,

1208
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: which is kind of funny. They dim the lights, they

1209
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: have smoke machine, and they just they just get wild together,

1210
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,439
Speaker 1: which I'm sure Dave Jacob de Gram is not super

1211
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: involved in that, but.

1212
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,479
Speaker 2: Or maybe he's leading the smoke machine.

1213
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: Possibly maybe to Graham's like a crazy I bet to

1214
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: Graham is a sick worm.

1215
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: He's got it. If you're so like gangly and lanky, like.

1216
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: Break something out the most probably guy you can't really dance,

1217
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: I could put that. Actually, I guarantee you Brandon, we

1218
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: can't dance.

1219
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: But he's like, can we square dance? And everyone's like

1220
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: that doesn't count, that's not fun.

1221
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: And Brandon was like, I have this great new Christian

1222
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 1: rock song, like so I'm gonna give me the ox.

1223
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 2: It's Someone's like, like, you guys ever heard of Creed?

1224
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: They're so good. I think they're new. Creed just got

1225
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: to Wyoming like twenty fourteen got.

1226
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: There well, just when they got the Internet as well.

1227
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: You can just feel the fact that these guys I think,

1228
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: genuinely like each other and they enjoy playing for each other,

1229
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: and there's an idea that they're picking each other up.

1230
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: And that comes back to just this like focus that

1231
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: these guys want to win. Of course we're talking about

1232
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: all of this before we get to Game four, which

1233
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: is a trash game through and through. But I don't know,

1234
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: seems that has a little bit mojo.

1235
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: I feel like we haven't really seen them have like

1236
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: fun yet on the field, and it's because all the

1237
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: guys have really been struggling and pressing. So like, besides Lindor,

1238
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: it's tough to smile when you're not having a great year.

1239
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: But I agree like this is a very together team.

1240
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: They were together before Lindor got here. We had the

1241
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 2: little you know, rat raccoon scuffle, and it seems like

1242
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 2: it's brought them closer. So like, I don't have any

1243
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: doubts about like the makeup of this team by no

1244
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: mean none.

1245
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: That The whole point I'm trying to get out here

1246
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: is like even though we aren't playing super well, like

1247
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: there's something, there's like a nucleus that exists, Like there's

1248
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: something inside this team that is pushing them further and harder.

1249
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: So when they are playing their best baseball that will

1250
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: take them to new heights hopefully, you know what, the

1251
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: the Mets are just focused on peaking at the right time.

1252
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to peak too early. I'm not trying

1253
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: to get hot in July, get hot in August.

1254
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: The twenty nineteen Nationals were in last place, the worst

1255
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 2: record in baseball. At some point in May, they won

1256
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: the World Series. Just get high.

1257
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: We went to the World's Here is twenty fifteen. We

1258
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,479
Speaker 1: were having a bad year at the end of June,

1259
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: an awful year.

1260
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: We can't look too much into how we're playing right now,

1261
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: but to I guess, parlay into Game four here that

1262
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: was a bad game.

1263
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: Awful game, complete trash. Marcus Stroman just sip it didn't

1264
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: have it.

1265
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: Luckily for me, I was on the road, so I

1266
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: watched very little bit. I watched the highlights, and I

1267
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 2: go I didn't miss anything. No, you missed. This game

1268
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 2: made me mad.

1269
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: Zach Wheeler is one of the best pitchers in baseball.

1270
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: That was abundantly clear. We called that both of us

1271
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: undred percent. It was obvious, like Pete is the only

1272
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: guy who even looked competent, Like he had three balls

1273
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: in play over one hundred miles. Now we're off Wheeler.

1274
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: No one else had any.

1275
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: Lindor had two hits, though, I think on the day

1276
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: him and Pete combined for five total.

1277
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Lindor had like Landor had the ridiculous bloop double. Yeah,

1278
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: it was a ground rule double, but it bounced like

1279
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: just over Bohem's head and like right past the net.

1280
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: So it's like, this is funny. And then Pete had

1281
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: the hit right as then De sarcina I thought smartly

1282
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: didn't send because he would have been canned by Janikowski,

1283
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: even though looking back, I wish he would have just

1284
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: said fuck it, like let's just try and knock the

1285
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: ball out of the glove or something, because wow, Marcus

1286
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: Struman didn't have it, didn't have it, didn't have it,

1287
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: didn't have it all. Sinker splithers through twenty seven splits

1288
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: in his shortest outing of the year, which is ironic

1289
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: that he by far through his highest percentages of splithers

1290
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: all season. The fact that a pitch that he just

1291
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: learned is now something he leans on when he doesn't

1292
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: have it. It had three more inches of break like

1293
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: on average than any of his starts this year, and

1294
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: it's cool that he's getting more comfortable with the pitch.

1295
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: S and Y flashed a graphic that he's like he

1296
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: was first beginning of season, only throwing it to lefties,

1297
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: and now he's throwing it comfortably, like evenly to both

1298
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: pitches on both sides, hitters on both sides of the plate.

1299
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: Cool thing, but there was just not I don't know.

1300
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: Something might actually be wrong with his hip. Maybe he

1301
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: was mind was shot because of his grandma passing away,

1302
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: which Dalton Press Marcus Stroman just he left the team

1303
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: right after the game to be with his family.

1304
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think his mind could have been elsewhere. I

1305
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: can't blame him for that one. He seems like a

1306
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: big family guy, not that most people aren't, but he

1307
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: particularly seems like Rodgers Arry Yeah, Yeah, I guess Aaron Rodgers.

1308
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 2: He seems very very family oriented. And he seemed really

1309
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: crushed about his grandma passing away, which I mean, that's terrible.

1310
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: You never want to see that kind of stuff happen,

1311
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: but especially him, he seemed very like taken back. He

1312
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 2: seemed very like introspective about like everything that he had

1313
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: done with her, and he was posting a lot on

1314
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: social media. So I think you can chalk up a

1315
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: little bit of the struggles to his mind being elsewhere.

1316
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: Plus the hip thing. The Mets are gonna have bad games.

1317
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: It's gonna happen. No one plays a perfect one sixty two.

1318
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 2: This was one of those games where I know we

1319
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 2: had been struggling offensively and we've been doing this, but

1320
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: we also did run into Zach Wheeler, who is an

1321
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 2: ace in Major League Baseball. So if there was ever

1322
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 2: a game to not score runs, I'm okay with doing

1323
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: it against Zaq Wheeler. Yeah, like that makes sense to me.

1324
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: The guy is a complete buzz saw. It's fuck Brody

1325
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: van Wagnon, especially for his quote they said about him

1326
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: that he parlayed Like what two and a half good

1327
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: seasons do? The Mets coaching like an asshole. They were

1328
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 1: doing like side by sides with Wheeler and de Gram

1329
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: and I was just like, fuck.

1330
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: Well, side by side of my video when Wheeler signed

1331
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: with the Phillies, look like he's frigging Garrett Cole. Everyone

1332
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: he is the next Garrett Cole. And what do you know?

1333
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: What?

1334
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 2: Has Zack Wheeler turned into a Garrett Cole version type pitcher?

1335
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: He just strike like they throw the same pitches. Basically,

1336
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: he has the same mechanics to a tee as Garrett Cole.

1337
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 2: They throw gas and they're both really good. Like it

1338
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 2: was such a It was such a lock. Was gonna

1339
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 2: Zack Wheeler was gonna be sick. Such a lock. His

1340
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 2: biggest concern from the start has always been his health

1341
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: and what had he done the two seasons before that

1342
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: He'd been healthy and strong, healthy as hell. Mets were

1343
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: like twenty three million, Nah, not interested.

1344
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: He also, I thought was interesting, Wheeler is not He's

1345
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: more of a fastball slider guy. And he broke out

1346
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: a crazy amount of curveballs the first couple of innings

1347
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: and he couldn't really locate them. The Mets, of course,

1348
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: still couldn't hit the fastball or a slytherer, but he

1349
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 1: was giving a healthy dose of curveballs. And I feel

1350
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: like that's something we're going to see against the Mets

1351
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: moving forward, because if you think back to the last week,

1352
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: Charlie Moore and completely fucked the Mets up with curveballs.

1353
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: Aaron Nola decimated them with curveballs Friday afternoon, Like it

1354
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: seems like curveballs of the pitch we are struggling with,

1355
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: like is this a single a team? Like we can't

1356
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: hit curveballs all of a sudden, like it's a joke.

1357
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: It's also to say bittersweet for the fourteenth time this episode.

1358
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: We were out of this game early, it seemed like that,

1359
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,439
Speaker 1: but Coriole's wealth gave was four great innings. He kept

1360
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: us actually in it. The Mets still had a chance

1361
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: to win this game.

1362
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: He scrapped his sinker, right, he's throwing four seams now.

1363
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,439
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and he looked fine. He got a little

1364
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: bit more life on it too, he said, he got

1365
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: a little more life on and not realizing he's throwing

1366
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: completely new pitch and it's going up and set it

1367
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,280
Speaker 1: down and he touched ninety four, which that's new for CoreOS.

1368
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: Weall kind of besides like the one spring training through

1369
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: ninety seven, I was like, that's my guy, even it's

1370
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: not true.

1371
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: To channel my inner Frank to tank here. I've never

1372
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: been a CoreOS Waald fan. Every time he came to

1373
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 2: the game, I like just moan. I'm like, oh my god,

1374
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: I'm drinking corios well again. But he showed us a

1375
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 2: little something of these last two appearances here where he

1376
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 2: stepped up when we needed him. He's kept it close,

1377
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: He's given us a chance by no means who I

1378
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: want Coreo's we games and being an jitimate cog and

1379
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: this team. But he's came in in a time when

1380
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: we needed him and he has done a very serviceable job, absolutely.

1381
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: Doing what he needs to do. I thought it was

1382
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: a little weird that after he had thrown two scoreless innings,

1383
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: his spott and the order came up with first and

1384
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: second and went out and he hit for himself in

1385
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: at the time was I think a three to nothing game,

1386
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: so the time runs out the plate and like the

1387
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: fifth inning at Coriol's Walt's hitting. I get that he

1388
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: did give us two more scoreless innings afterwards, but I

1389
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: don't know. Dom Smith was just sitting right there and

1390
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: tom even though he sat yesterday career eight for sixteen

1391
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 1: against Wheeler entering the.

1392
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 2: Game, that's not good to sit, I think. Which this

1393
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: is like, I think one of the critiques that we've

1394
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 2: had on Rojas is he sometimes plays for tomorrow. This

1395
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: felt like a play for tomorrow. Where the Mets have

1396
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: no off days now until they all start a break.

1397
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: He was like, I have more innings are Corio's Walt,

1398
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 2: because we just have so many games coming.

1399
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 1: It was also weird that when he took Stroman out,

1400
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: he sent up a pinch hitter to start to lead

1401
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: off the third inning, Travis Blankenhorn hit. I think that

1402
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: Marcus stroman Travis Blankenhorn are probably pretty similar hitters, probably

1403
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: Blankenhores at least like maybe twenty percent better. But if

1404
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: you're burning a bench bat in the third inning, like

1405
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: I know the Mets, everyone plays with a short bench

1406
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: in modern baseball, Like, damn, I don't know. You got

1407
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: you tie runs at the plate? Like you really care

1408
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: about two scoreless hittings that much?

1409
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: Like we have no I agree.

1410
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: Bullpen pieces and if Coreyols only throws two winnings, he

1411
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: could pitch on Tuesday if you need the innings then yeah, no,

1412
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: I agree. And Sean Reid Foley, the other long man,

1413
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 1: only threw one on Friday night, Like he's available while

1414
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: we were pitching a lot of games. Like this pitching staff,

1415
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: I feel like, is more available than I expected them

1416
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: to be at this point. After the week, the nine

1417
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: game week, I don't know.

1418
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got what like two weeks now until the

1419
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: All Star break. We have this upcoming week in the

1420
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 2: following one. Yeah, so there's basically like fourteen games left

1421
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: before the All Star break, which is crazy to say

1422
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 2: because we're basically fourteen eight days away.

1423
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: It's it's tough in the in the in the bad

1424
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: Mets games. Even though this was three, this was like

1425
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: a four, three or four run game for most of

1426
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: the day. Like it's a bad game, you get the

1427
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: good Gary and Keith, like they're really just talking about

1428
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: crazy shit. They were talking about how to figure out

1429
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: it hit his dominant I and how that to Yeah, yeah,

1430
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: how that determines how open or closed you should keep

1431
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: your stance because if you were if you're hitting and

1432
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: your right handed hither and your right eye is dominant,

1433
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: you should open up your stance so you can face

1434
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: the picture more and see him better. And if it's

1435
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: your left eye, you should stay as closed as possible

1436
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: because that will help you turn in the ball quicker,

1437
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: like you don't have to get that advantage with your site.

1438
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: They were also talking about Cello Luna, which is the

1439
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: Mets seventh inning song, which was funny. They were talking

1440
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: about the meaning of it, unaware that the song translates

1441
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: into English in the third and fourth stanzas. It's pretty funny.

1442
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: You know those guys, Gary, Keith and Ron when he's

1443
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 2: there too, they're just some of the best in baseball, just.

1444
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: They keep it moving. It almost makes the bad games

1445
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: more fun because they talk about fucking nonsense.

1446
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, you can learn a lot about things

1447
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 2: when the Mets are losing, not necessarily baseball. Yeah, just

1448
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 2: thinks life stuff, life experiences. Keith, Keith getting texts about packages.

1449
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you weren't watching the end of this game.

1450
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: Keith had a flight out of La Guardia that he

1451
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: was hudding really really close, and he was like, He's like,

1452
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: we gotta speed this game up. I gotta get out

1453
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: of here.

1454
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 2: And Gary's like he's had travel issues all series because

1455
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: the Nola game, you wouldn't have seen this because you

1456
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: were there. Keith was stuck in traffic. He didn't make

1457
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 2: it until late. He like he came like halfway through

1458
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: I think the Nola stuff, and he was like, He's like,

1459
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: I was sweating in the car, you know, Like he's like,

1460
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: there's history happening here. I gotta see this.

1461
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: It's too funny. Gary was like, we get you a

1462
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: police escort. Like that's too funny. I love these guys.

1463
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: It's so fun. I don't think there's many other announcing

1464
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: crews in the entire sports world, but the guys are

1465
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: genuinely friends.

1466
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Orsillo and Mark Grant out in San Diego

1467
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: a fantastic Like they're they're great commentators. But I don't

1468
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: think you have as much fun as you do with

1469
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: Gary Keith.

1470
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: Oh, no, one is fun. Like these guys is the best.

1471
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: Which is funny because Keith is so crotchety now, but

1472
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: they still have so much fun because they like use

1473
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 2: that and they just twist them.

1474
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they kind of like push his buttons a little bit.

1475
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 2: But like, so, Keith, what do you think about uh,

1476
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: you know, everyone hitting two ten? He's like like when

1477
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: Hoskins are like Bow makes the errors.

1478
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: Keith gets so disgusted he's.

1479
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 2: Like gonna throw up.

1480
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm telling you this this kind of stuff

1481
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: when Stan when I played, that's the most favorite line.

1482
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: But again, you talk about the mess thing two ten.

1483
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: The Mets also can't hit, Like we talked about it

1484
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: off air for a little while, just to try and

1485
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: find solutions that we could with the tools that we

1486
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: have available to us, and we just can't do it.

1487
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: Like for first with Jillie Davis's fault, then we had

1488
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: no players and now it's just we just can't hit

1489
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: like everyone's here.

1490
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 2: I have I have a hypothesis. What I think the

1491
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: Mets are still swinging some willpon wood. You know that

1492
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 2: the Willpons like to shop in the discount section of

1493
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 2: this Marouchi, Mazuno, whatever bat you're using. I think they're

1494
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 2: just getting like soft wood. And I know you talked

1495
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: to me about this that there actually is. Oh, there

1496
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: is some theory to like the quality of wood that

1497
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: you get in a bat, because like every bat is

1498
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 2: essentially like individually made. So I think the Mets are

1499
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 2: just getting some cheap wood. Maybe they think they're getting

1500
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: maple and they're getting cedar or something like that. I

1501
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: could see the willpon woods still sticking around. How many

1502
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 2: broken bats have we had this year? We need Cohen

1503
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: to start getting some new lumber in here.

1504
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: No two trees are alike, because I'm sure everyone out

1505
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: there is aware of you know, Sarah's who I think

1506
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: is the best in the biz. Right for the Athletic.

1507
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: He had a great article about a month ago. That

1508
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: is what Mark just referenced. He was working on this,

1509
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: he said, for six months, where he went to a

1510
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: bunch of bat factories and distributors and they explained to

1511
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: him that there's no real rhyme or reason to the

1512
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: bats they're created. All of these bats do have a

1513
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: slightly different rating on how actually good they are. And

1514
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: when a player gets a bat like gets bats usually

1515
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: get like nine, ten, eleven bats like they'll take VP

1516
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: with all of them and pick their best bat. And

1517
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: there are some new teams, and there are even some

1518
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: like outsourced analytics that data companies that will test bats

1519
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: for hardness for bend for all this crazy shit, and

1520
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: there is actual research that proves that there is different wood.

1521
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: Wood can bad wood, will palm wood, as Marx so

1522
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: eloquently put it can affect team's ability to hit. And

1523
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: the Mets might just have bad wood because I pour

1524
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 1: it through a bunch of stats on things that we

1525
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: thought could be wrong with the eye test, and there's

1526
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: nothing that really sticks out. The Mets are doing fine

1527
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: with pitches in the middle of the plate. At first,

1528
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: we thought the selectively aggressiveness that the Mets weren't able

1529
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: to punish mistakes. The Mets are actually fourteenth on expected

1530
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: wOBA on pitches in the heart. As we mentioned before,

1531
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: the middle of the plate. That number is better than

1532
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, like, we're not whiffing a ton. We have

1533
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: the eleventh most whiffs in the league. That's pretty middle

1534
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: of the pack. And these are season long stats that

1535
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: include Mason Williams, Chaneshvi, Fargus Cameron, may have been Khalil Lee, Parraza, Blankenhorn,

1536
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: all this fucking nonsense. We're middle of the road in

1537
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: strikeouts twelfth. We're middle of the road and walks, so

1538
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: we're not too selective. We're swinging and missing at the

1539
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: ninth most pitches in the shadow. That's something I thought

1540
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: could have been a issue, that we're just picking the

1541
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: wrong pitches of swing up. But that's not even crazy,

1542
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: and that those whiffs and those like swings and miss

1543
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: in the shadow don't even necessarily mean bad. The Red

1544
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: Sox are actually worse than the Mets in both of

1545
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: those stats, and they are one of the best offensive

1546
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: teams in baseball, the best in certain stats. So there

1547
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: really isn't anything that is obviously wrong, as we've talked

1548
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: about for this last hour.

1549
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like something something's gonna click at some point.

1550
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,479
Speaker 2: It has to. There's too much talent on this team

1551
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: offensively to continue to be stymied at the plate like

1552
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 2: they have been. Luckily for us, we are getting one

1553
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 2: of our best offensive bat back. Is it today or

1554
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 2: is it this week with Brandon Nima?

1555
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: I think it's They said join on the road trip,

1556
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: so it could be today, could be tomorrow.

1557
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: Okay, but Nimo's coming back, which is big because at

1558
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 2: the absolute worst, we have a legitimate leadoff hitter. Now

1559
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 2: helps extend that lineup even more.

1560
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: Take pressure on McNeil.

1561
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: Yep. I was gonna say, move McNeil down the order

1562
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: a little bit, maybe even get them a little protection

1563
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 2: right now, which is something he might need so he

1564
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: can get some more pitches and jump on those first

1565
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 2: pitches that he loves. I think this offense is going

1566
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 2: to be fine, but at the end of the day,

1567
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 2: we definitely are struggling and it has to turn around soon.

1568
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: It has to, I'm saying it has to, like it

1569
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: has to if we want to win games. Also just

1570
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: like has to, like how could it not.

1571
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: There's no way that this team and all the guys

1572
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 2: like that, There's no way that Billy McKinney remains like

1573
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 2: the second best guy with ops plus on this team.

1574
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 2: We love Billy bombs, love Billy bombs, but we know

1575
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 2: that we've got Alonso dom Smith, McNeil, Knford, O Lindor.

1576
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 2: Those are five players that should all be leaps and

1577
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: bounds ahead of where Billy McKinney is at any given

1578
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 2: point in the season.

1579
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: Also, Jady Data is gonna hopefully come back by the weekend.

1580
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: Maybe he started rehabing tignments right, Cross our fingers for that.

1581
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: And Nimo is gonna be joined the Mets in Atlanta. Roja,

1582
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: I said yesterday, so not tonight.

1583
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, I mean like we got guys coming back.

1584
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: This offense is gonna get back to normal. Hopefully we

1585
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 2: start to see the production return back to normal as well.

1586
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: We're getting the names now we need to see the numbers.

1587
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: Take us to a little preview before we wrap it up.

1588
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do it. We got the weird game against

1589
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 2: the Nationals today Monday. Like I said, episodes coming out

1590
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: a little bit late. We're gonna include the Nationals game

1591
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 2: in our brave series recap next week.

1592
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: These these four game series recaps are really wearing.

1593
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: They're thick, man. We got a lot to talk through

1594
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 2: with these, especially because the Mets haven't just been playing

1595
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: like oh, we won. We won?

1596
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: Are normal? There's been this normal.

1597
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: They's been so much to talk about. But we got

1598
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: the Nationals who have been playing good baseball. Luckily the

1599
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 2: Marlins beat up on them a little bit this weekend.

1600
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 2: But we got to watch out for Kyle Sharber again

1601
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 2: because that dude's about as hot as anyone's ever been

1602
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 2: in the history of the game.

1603
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds, just Barry Bonds.

1604
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah at this point, Yeah, you have to. And we

1605
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 2: got I Cough pitching tonight, which.

1606
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: Nationals also have a name to start this, so I

1607
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: don't know what it's gonna be. Maybe I don't even

1608
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: know who.

1609
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 2: No Fetti hit the il.

1610
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: Oh he did, all right, that's good. Can't get crushed

1611
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: by him again. And sures Are pitched yesterday, so we're

1612
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: avoiding him at least.

1613
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 2: We might see both. Maybe also vote that guy.

1614
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: Fuck, we gotta crush that dude. He'd actually been better

1615
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: in a bullpen roll this year. But if he's towing

1616
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,479
Speaker 1: the rubber in the first inning, he needs to get eviscerated. Yes,

1617
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I feel like tonight's game

1618
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: should be a seven inning game. Oh one game? Makeup?

1619
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: Why is it not seven innings.

1620
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 2: You know what's so funny is I was literally about

1621
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 2: to be like, we got nine innings tonight, they haven't

1622
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 2: named a starter, Like this isn't the seven inning game,

1623
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 2: which it feels like it should be.

1624
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: And we got I cooff in nine inning game, which

1625
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: will be fun.

1626
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 2: And then we got the Brave series. What are our

1627
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 2: matchups looking like?

1628
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: There, James, we gotta face Morton again on Tuesday, which

1629
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: is probably not gonna be fun, but hopefully everyone's worthy.

1630
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: He's gonna throw your curve ball that drops into the

1631
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: bomb of the zone, just telling everyone, now he throw

1632
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: a curveball, get me over curveball. We got Gill facing

1633
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: off against him. Ace off there. Taiwan's going Wednesday. Du

1634
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: Gram moved up to day the Pitch Thursday, which let's

1635
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: go get three starts in before the break. I love

1636
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 1: that Braves have only name Morton. I don't know his

1637
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: other guys are gonna be oh and Smiley, so Smiley.

1638
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: I didn't see that yesterday named Smiley. I just hit

1639
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: these guys. He gonna beat the Braves. We're going to Atlanta.

1640
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: That's a great place to hit Washington too. Big wave

1641
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: of humidity is hitting the East coast right now, ball's

1642
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: gonna lay up there. It's hot, Ball's gonna carry. Let's

1643
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: get some other fucking hits.

1644
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 2: And I mean, like just a little bit of a

1645
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 2: note here for if there's any Braves listeners who saw

1646
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: Soroka also retore his achilles, which is terrible stuff to say.

1647
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: Sad.

1648
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 2: You know, as much as I don't want Mike's Soroka

1649
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 2: to ever pitch against the Mets, to see a guy

1650
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 2: go down for a tourn achilles for the second time,

1651
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 2: he's one of the you know, talented young pitchers in

1652
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 2: the game. That sucks. So that really really stinks, because

1653
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 2: he is a good pitcher.

1654
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: Is a shame. It's kind of ironic that Soroka, like

1655
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: his star like rose so fast, he was like so

1656
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: youngly made his debut. We had that like five inning

1657
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: hitless game against the Mets. I think he was there

1658
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: in nineteen or twenty, and now he's gonna miss like

1659
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: three false even if he ever is effective again. It's crazy.

1660
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: It seems like that achilles is going to be a

1661
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 2: problem forever, which sucks because that's, you know, a guy

1662
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 2: who was on the path to be like a very

1663
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 2: very very good pitcher in Major League Baseball from a

1664
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 2: young age and that stuff you don't really see too

1665
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 2: often in baseball. Is a young ace like that, and

1666
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: he's gonna be sidelined for quite some bit of time here.

1667
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 2: Do we have any of the Braves probables besides Morton?

1668
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: Though, yes, said Smiley before, Oh.

1669
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 2: You shaid Smiley? Okay, we have we faced Smiley this year.

1670
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 2: I feel like we've dodged him every time.

1671
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: I think we got him once. He did miss like

1672
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: almost a month with injury. I feel like we had

1673
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: to have seen him one times based on the law

1674
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: of averages.

1675
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 2: I feel like you're thinking of when he pinch hit

1676
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 2: in that time.

1677
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: My god, you might saw him. We might be right

1678
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: about that. We had dodged Smiley every every time this year.

1679
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 2: Well, let's smack around Smiley.

1680
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: Smiley has a pretty significant home road split. He is

1681
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: over run worse was Era at home compares it on

1682
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: the road. This entire Braves team is a little bit

1683
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: of a different team at home. Like, I think the

1684
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: Braves bats are gonna come out this week, so we're

1685
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: gonna have to match them.

1686
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a swing. Luckily for us. Atlanta is

1687
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: a very hitter friendly park. Yeah, the ball flies at it.

1688
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: Atlanta also sneaky. I think the second or third highest

1689
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: elevation of any park in baseball.

1690
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 2: Yes, very sneaky, which you don't think of Atlanta as

1691
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 2: a mountainous area. But yeah, wherever they yeah, wherever that

1692
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 2: that field is located is doing good stuff for the

1693
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 2: baseball because seemingly every fly ball hit the right field

1694
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 2: goes into that chop house and hopefully the Mets get

1695
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 2: a few home runs into that chop house. We need

1696
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 2: this offense to wake up. We still got the lead

1697
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 2: in the division. You know, we're still in first place.

1698
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 2: We're up what four on the Nats and five on

1699
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: the Phillies and Braves. Yeah, so it's a little closer

1700
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 2: than we'd like. We would have liked to have gained

1701
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 2: a few games here or there. We had the chance,

1702
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 2: but we still basically stayed even. Beat the Nationals tonight,

1703
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 2: take take some games from the Braves. Stay in the

1704
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: driver's seat. The goal is staying first place still by

1705
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 2: the end of the or you know, by the All

1706
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 2: Star break.

1707
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: This team has struggled on the road, so we have

1708
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: to be aware of that. The series.

1709
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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna be okay. I really do, like,

1710
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 2: as you know, upsetting or disappointing the offense has been.

1711
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 2: I still find myself in such such a different mood

1712
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 2: than I ever have with Mets teams. Yeah, And I

1713
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 2: don't know if it's because again the dark cloud of

1714
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: the Willpons has been lifted, and I'm just a lot

1715
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 2: more optimistic about life since those people no longer exist

1716
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 2: in my life. But I'm not worried. I'm con This

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01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 2: makes sense for me to say I'm concerned, but I'm

1718
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 2: not worried. Does that make sense almost?

1719
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:19,839
Speaker 1: None?

1720
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 2: Well, that's how I feel. I'm concerned because I'm like, hey,

1721
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 2: are we gonna hit? But also I go, you know what,

1722
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 2: these guys are gonna hit like, I'm not worried bad like.

1723
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: And for them when Dom said, these guys know how

1724
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: to win games. Now we're doing the little things. We're

1725
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: playing defense, the bullpen looks good, We're gonna pitch well.

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01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 2: This team's built. Team's built different. We went from like

1727
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 2: a very young team, I feel like, to a very

1728
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 2: like a very I don't want to say like a

1729
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 2: veteran group because I wouldn't go there yet. But we

1730
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: don't feel like a young team. We feel like a

1731
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 2: team that's been there and done it before. And I

1732
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 2: get that feeling with the Mets that they're very comfortable.

1733
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: A couple of these guys have, like I said, two

1734
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: guys in this team have been to a World Series.

1735
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: That's more than most teams can say.

1736
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if Cinderger comes back, there's a third and

1737
01:08:57,640 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 2: to Grom too. Yeah, let's go just when these games

1738
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 2: play clean baseball, Just get out of this weird four

1739
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 2: game week.

1740
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: Just get to the Bronx. We know we could beat

1741
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 1: the Yankees. The team sucks. Just get to the Bronx.

1742
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 2: Get to the Bronx and beat the Bombers and beat

1743
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 2: the Braves. We've got a lot of bees coming up here.

1744
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 2: Let's beat them all. It's it's raffle ry week for

1745
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 2: the Mets right now.

1746
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: Go between Atlanta and the Yankees, like and just coming

1747
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 1: off the Phillies. This is ravelry week.

1748
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: This is rivalry week. Yes, let's put a stamp on it,

1749
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 2: which I think is also a perfect time to put

1750
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 2: a stamp on the end of this episode here, episode

1751
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: number twenty seven, another lengthy one. But these four game series, man,

1752
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 2: you get a lot out of us, and if you

1753
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: want shorter episodes, you need the Mets to just win

1754
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 2: like nine to nothing, so that way we can be happy,

1755
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 2: talk about the good stuff, and then we can end it,

1756
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 2: wrap it up in like a good forty five minutes.

1757
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: We're just not play any more four game series.

1758
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 2: That's also a possibility, but that's not gonna happen anytime

1759
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 2: soon as we know with the Mets schedule here if

1760
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,440
Speaker 2: you guys want to follow us on Twitter and Instagram

1761
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 2: at mets up, YouTube channel, mets up podcast, and make

1762
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 2: sure that you're listening to us on Apple Podcasts, leave

1763
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 2: us a rating, leave us a review. It does help

1764
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 2: out Spotify, Google Podcasts file. Hello James on Twitter at

1765
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 2: Jeter had no Range, Drop me a follow at giraff

1766
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 2: neck mark you know where to find us. That will

1767
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 2: be it for episode number twenty seven. We'll talk to

1768
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 2: you guys after the Brave series on the weekend. Thank

1769
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 2: you guys for watching, thank you for listening, and we'll

1770
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 2: see you next time.

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01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 1: Peace out.