1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 2: I'm Brian Curtis and I'm Doug Krisner. Here are the 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: stories we're following today. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: Well, some saber rattling from China on Taiwan. We get 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: more from Dan Schwartzman in New York. 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 3: Dan Yeah Brian, China's ambassador to the US, Chifeng, says 7 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 3: the country has no room to compromise when it comes 8 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 3: to Taiwan's independence. She was speaking at the Carter Center 9 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 3: in Atlanta. The ambassador's comments come as Taiwan is set 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 3: to vote for president on January thirteenth. One of the candidates, 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,959 Speaker 3: Taiwan's Vice President, Lai Ching Tay, has angered Beijing by 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 3: describing himself as quote pragmatic worker for Taiwanese independence. A 13 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 3: three judge appeals court panel expressed skepticism of Donald Trump's 14 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 3: claims that he is immune from prosecution as a former 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: president looks to avoid a criminal trial over his attempt 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 3: to overturn the twenty twenty election. Trump is trying to 17 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 3: reverse a December first ruling by US District Judge Tanya Chutkin, 18 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: who rejected Trump's immunity defense, saying it seems he was 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: seeking the power of a monarch. Bloomberg's Eric Larsen breaks 20 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 3: down one judge's hypothetical oppose to Trump attorney John Sarr. 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 4: What if a president ordered the killing of a political 22 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 4: rival with Seal Team six, you know, does nothing happen 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 4: to this president? And Trump's argument, or that he's lawyer pressed, 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 4: is that if the president is impeached for that conduct, 25 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 4: then potentially that opens up the potential for a criminal case. 26 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 4: But if there's no impeachment, then you know, nothing happens, 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 4: And the judges seemed pretty skeptical of that argument. 28 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 3: That's Bloomberg's Eric Larson. Walter Reed Medical Center has released 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 3: a statement saying that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin was diagnosed 30 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: with prostate cancer in early December. Austin underwent a minimally 31 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 3: invasive surgical procedure which resulted in some complications, including nause 32 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: and severe pain in his abnominal area as well as 33 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: in his hip and leg, and the evaluation revealed that 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: Austin was suffering from a urinary tract infection as well 35 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: as abdominal fluids collecting, which impaired the small intestine's ability 36 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: to function. The hospital those says they anticipate the Secretary 37 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 3: will make a full recovery. National Security ca Ouncil spokesman 38 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: John Kirby says even President Biden didn't know why Austin 39 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: was hospitalized till earlier today. 40 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 5: He was not informed until last Friday that Secretary of 41 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 5: Austin was in the hospital. He was not informed until 42 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 5: this morning. 43 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: That the root cause of that hospitalization was prostate cancer. 44 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 3: Kirby, speaking at a briefing earlier today. Storms, high winds 45 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: and tornado warnings hitting parts of the South today, with 46 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: roofs blown off homes and campers flipped over in Florida. 47 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: In the Midwest, some cities were hit with more than 48 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 3: a foot of snow, stranding some drivers on highways. Areas 49 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 3: across Kansas, Nebraska and South Dakota, Iowa, and Minnesota seeing 50 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: snow accumulations as high as fifteen inches. More than two 51 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 3: hundred thousand customers were without power in Alabama, Georgia and 52 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 3: in Florida. That's according to Thepowerodage dot US website. Global 53 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 3: News twenty four hours a day and whenever you want 54 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: it with Bloomberg News. 55 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 6: Now. 56 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: I'm Dan Schwartzman, and this is. 57 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: Bloomberg all right, Thanks very much, Dan five and a 58 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: half minutes asked the hour, This is Bloomberg Daybreak Asia. 59 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: We take a look now at some of the top 60 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: business stories of the hour. 61 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 3: While the US. 62 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 1: Securities and Exchange Commission says it has not granted approval 63 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: of Spot Bitcoin exchange traded funds, that's despite a post 64 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: saying it had been approved on X that appeared to 65 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: be from the regulator's official account. The post included a 66 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: comment purporting to be from SEC chair Gary Gensler. Gensler 67 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: himself said on X that the SEC's account had been compromised. 68 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: About a dozen companies have applied to list ETFs backed 69 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: by bitcoin in the United States, and the SEC has 70 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: until January tenth to take action on at least one 71 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: of those applications. Now Bloomberg Shanali Bossack tells us what 72 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: comes next for the SEC. 73 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 4: They could always punt right. They could always push it 74 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 4: as they have before. 75 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 5: They could also deny application. 76 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 4: They could ask for more information as we've seen last 77 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 4: minute amendments to the filings just this morning. 78 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: That's Shanali boss Suk. The price of bitcoin did spike, well, 79 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: it did increase, let's say, and it's still a little 80 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: bit higher now. Right now forty six eighty three per coin. 81 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: We turn next to the latest on the Boeing seven 82 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: thirty seven Max Air safety officials are probing last week's 83 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: blowout of a door plug on a Max nine model, 84 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: and now their attention is focused squarely on four unaccounted bolts. 85 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: These bolts, you see, were meant to secure the door 86 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: plug it suddenly broke loose on that Alaska Airlines flight 87 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: last Friday. Inspections were subsequently ordered by the FAA, and 88 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: now we learn that both Alaska Air and United Airlines 89 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: have discovered more loose bolts. The National Transportation Safety Board 90 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 2: said it would consider broadening the probe into other Max models. Now, 91 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: despite the news on this crisis, it's interesting that Boeing 92 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: ended all of last year twenty twenty three with its 93 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 2: largest ever monthly sales gain for the seven thirty seven Max. 94 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: Ran Well Blackrock, we'll dismiss about six hundred employees, roughly 95 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: three percent of its global workforce. It comes as the 96 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: company seeks to reallocate resources. We get more from Bloomberg's Charlie. 97 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 6: Pellett, CEO Larry Fink, and President Bob Kapito said in 98 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 6: a memo to staff quote, we see our industry changing 99 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 6: faster than at any time since the founding of Blackrock. 100 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 6: The executive say ETFs have become the preferred vehicle for 101 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 6: both index and active investment strategies, that the firm is 102 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 6: growing across the globe, including in Europe and Asia. The 103 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 6: world's largest asset manager says it still expects to have 104 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,119 Speaker 6: a larger staff by the end of the year, even 105 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 6: with the cuts, as it expands certain parts of the business. 106 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 6: In New York, Charlie Pellett Bloomberg Radio, we. 107 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 2: Are told Amazon's live streaming site Twitch is poised to 108 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: cut thirty five percent of its staff. That would equate 109 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: to around five hundred workers. These cuts could be announced, 110 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 2: we are told as soon as Wednesday. We are hearing 111 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: there are increased concern over the company's turning a profit 112 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: since Twitch has increased its focus on advertising in recent years. 113 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: Right well, Qualcomm says that it's pushed into automotive chips 114 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: is on course to beat sales projections. A chip maker 115 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: said that it will have about four billion dollars of 116 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: sales from its auto unit by twenty twenty six. Qualcom's 117 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: entrance into the automotive space will also decrease its reliance 118 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: on mobile phone electronics, and the CEO, Cristiano Amone, told 119 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: us that the car industry is going digital. So if 120 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: you're going to go buy a car today, you have 121 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: a fully immersive digital clck bit. 122 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 5: You didn't have that before. That's enabled by Snapdragon. Right 123 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 5: now you have those beautiful screens that are immersiving. 124 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: They bring you a lot of information about the car, 125 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: the road. 126 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 3: On top of that, it have safety and we have 127 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: a vision that assisted driving needs to be in every car. 128 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: That's Qualcom CEO Cristiano Amone, speaking from the Consumer Electronics 129 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: Show in Las Vegas. Qualcom is now selling more chips 130 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: for handling, driving, and entertainment functions in vehicles, along with 131 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: processors for personal computers and headsets. The hope is to 132 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: maintain growth as the smartphone market matures. 133 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: China says it has hacked into Apple's air dropped feature 134 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: and as a result, message centers can be identified. We 135 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,559 Speaker 2: have more from Bloomberg zivon men in Hong Kong. 136 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 7: A Beijing institute has developed a technique to crack an 137 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 7: iPhone's encrypted device log. The log identifies numbers and emails 138 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 7: of senders who share air drop content. The method would 139 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 7: help authorities eradicate information China deems unhealthy. Activists around the 140 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 7: world have employed the air drop feature to spread their 141 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 7: messages Beijing's judicial bureaus as police have identified multiple people 142 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 7: via the hack. Developments add uncertainty to Apple's operations in China. 143 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 7: The company already faces severe constraints on content, including on 144 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 7: Apple TV and books. In Hong Kong, I'm Von Mann 145 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 7: Bloomberg Radio. 146 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Asia. I'm Brian Curtisy in Hong 147 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: Kong with Paul Allen in Sydney, and our guest is 148 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: Eric balchunis Bloomberg Intelligence senior ETF analyst. To take a 149 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: closer look at what happened today from the SEC. I 150 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: don't want to be splitting hairs with something, but we 151 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: said in our lead that the SEC has not yet 152 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: approved blah blah blah, And actually Gary Gensler said in 153 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: his statement that the SEC has not approved. So again, 154 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: that might be getting a little bit too technical there, 155 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: but many people think it will happen. Was this possibly something, Eric, 156 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: that was just a prepared statement that somehow made its 157 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: way in. 158 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, I'm processing this all just like you, I 159 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 5: was expecting a tweet like this to come out exactly 160 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 5: twenty four hours from when it did. We all intel 161 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 5: points to approval four to five pm Eastern time tomorrow, 162 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 5: with both the nineteen befour's in the s ones getting 163 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 5: approved and then issuers launching Thursday business day, and they'd 164 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 5: be up in trading. So I was sort of ready 165 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 5: they just go have dinner and have a chill night 166 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 5: before tomorrow's madness. But the madness came early, and it 167 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 5: sounds like it was hacked, but the timing was weird. 168 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 5: It almost seems like a scheduled tweet that they put 169 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 5: the wrong dat in. But let's just trust the SEC 170 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 5: it was hacked. This isn't the first time there's been Well, you. 171 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: Said compromised, right, Compromise is a little bit broader term. 172 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true. That's true. Look, who knows. I mean, 173 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 5: at some point we'll get the truth over time. You 174 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 5: notice when people put out tweets sometimes they always say 175 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 5: hacked and or compromised, But you know, half the time 176 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 5: they weren't. They're just embarrassed. Who knows. All I know 177 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 5: is that tomorrow is important because it's the deadline for 178 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 5: the ARC filing. They have to either approve or deny, 179 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 5: so if they do nothing, it gets approved. But all 180 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 5: signs and all our intel points to approval. So my 181 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 5: guess is we'll see this tweet or something come out 182 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 5: tomorrow after they formally approve doing the more formal way 183 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 5: on the website. But I've been covering this now. I've 184 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 5: been in a sort of one foot in the crypto 185 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 5: world for like six months now, and I've gotten used 186 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 5: to these crazy happenings and shenanigans, so this is just 187 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 5: like sort of another day in the roller coaster known 188 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 5: as the crypto world. So I shake it off. I'm 189 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 5: looking at tomorrow. I still think we're going to see 190 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 5: approval and launches and we'll look back and sort of 191 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 5: laugh at this in a couple of days. 192 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 8: Yeah, to your point, Eric, when this happened, I overheard 193 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 8: somebody in the office here in Sydney sort of laugh 194 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 8: and say this is the most bitcoin thing ever. The 195 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 8: language though, was very sec like. And as you say, 196 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 8: this isn't the first head fake, is it. What other 197 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 8: sort of misleading moments have we experienced? 198 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: Oh? 199 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 5: Man, I mean the big one was coin Telegraph put 200 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 5: out that I shares had been approved like I don't 201 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 5: know two months ago, and the price of bitcoin went 202 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 5: up five to ten percent instantly, and then black Rock 203 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 5: denied it. Then somebody went into the Delaware legal site 204 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 5: for registering names and registered eye shares XRP ETF and 205 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 5: even put the guy's name, and it looked just like 206 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 5: a registration like the way they registered bitcoin and ether ETFs. 207 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 5: So people thought, oh, Black Rocks playing a file for 208 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 5: an XRP ETF that turned out to be false. The 209 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 5: price of XRP went up and down instantly, and so 210 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 5: this is I know, the SEC isn't up to that 211 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 5: kind of shenanigans. For sure. The coin Telegraph was an 212 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 5: intern who messed up. Maybe this is that case. So 213 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 5: there's definitely been these head fakes. And then recently there's 214 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 5: been people over the past couple days who have gone 215 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 5: against the grain and said, wait, you know, Gary's going 216 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 5: to do a rug pull and deny them all, and 217 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 5: that kind of moved the price a little on the downside. 218 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 5: So people are able to move because everybody's skittish. This 219 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 5: has been a ten year build up to this one moment, 220 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 5: and everyone's just like it's like a you can pop this. 221 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 5: It's like a feeling, the mood you can pop with 222 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 5: of a pin, and that's sort of what this did. 223 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 5: And it's all just sensitive and tender right now. 224 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: We talked about this a little bit earlier with what 225 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: you know about X. Will they be able to find 226 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: out who generated this? So that's one thing. And secondly, 227 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, it seems the price spike in bitcoin wasn't 228 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: that much, so is this pretty much fully discount approval? 229 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, hopefully they find out. I don't know the goings 230 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 5: on of cybersecurity, but I hope they find out. If 231 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 5: it's them, I hope they admit it. That's will they 232 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 5: admit it? If the call was coming from inside the house, 233 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 5: so to speak, will they admit that? I don't know. 234 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 5: Hopefully they do. But it is baked into a degree. 235 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 5: There's been a huge run up in the price of 236 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 5: bitcoin and it doesn't take a genius to realize because 237 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 5: people are anticipating the ETFs getting approved. Because the ETFs 238 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 5: act as bridges to a large amount of money that 239 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 5: advisors manage thirty trillion, they love ETF so the ETF 240 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 5: is sort of the ultimate bridge to the sort of 241 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 5: traditional finance regular world and a big pool of capital 242 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 5: of rich boomers and the crypto world. And so that's 243 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 5: why the run up and prices come, and that's why 244 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 5: it didn't move that much to the upside. We were thinking, 245 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 5: you know, I was talking to another lawyer that if 246 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 5: you really wanted to cause a mass chaos and compromise 247 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 5: the SEC site, you would have said they were rejecting it. 248 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 5: The price of bitcoin probably would have plummeted a good 249 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 5: amount on that because the approval baked in rejection. 250 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: Not so. 251 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 5: I think that's also an interesting point on like, what 252 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 5: was the purpose of hacking that to just do nothing? 253 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 8: Eric, I just want to tease out a little more 254 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 8: of this idea of a bridge. I mean, to the 255 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 8: light person, why would you buy a bitcoin eighty if 256 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 8: when you can just buy a bitcoin? 257 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, because if you look at coinbase, if you want 258 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 5: to go trade bitcoin, it's pretty expensive upwards a forty 259 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 5: basis points to two hundred and fifty basis points just 260 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 5: for one trade. An ETF will cost one basis point 261 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 5: to trade. That's the spread on ets, and the expense 262 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 5: ratios are now all the way down to twenty basis 263 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 5: points twenty to thirty. You can get already, haven't you launched? 264 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 5: And the sea war has already gotten them down that low. 265 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 5: So that's a pretty good deal. Plus you got this 266 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 5: sort of regulatory stamp on it. You've got big brand 267 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 5: names like black Rock, compatility, and it's going to track 268 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 5: the price of bitcoin well. Other things like GBTC doesn't 269 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 5: track well. Micro Strategy stock you could say, is a proxy, 270 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 5: but it's not a perfect tracker of bitcoin either. And 271 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 5: if you want to go do like your own cold 272 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 5: storage and wallet and all that business, you have to 273 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 5: remember twelve words for the rest of your natural life. 274 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 5: And I know, I don't know about you, but I 275 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 5: can't remember my Amazon passwords, so I'm not gonna go 276 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 5: try to do that. And just like a gold investor 277 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 5: isn't going to store gold in their house unless you're 278 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 5: really into this, in which case do that, you know. 279 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 5: But for most normal people who just want some exposure 280 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 5: because they're speculating on this, and ETF is a perfect 281 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 5: solution for them, and again gold probably the best parallel that. 282 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: That's what I would say, all right, Derek, thanks very 283 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: much for joining us. 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