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Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The we just want to get gratitude. Yeah. Addition,

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Speaker 1: As we take a quick break from football and gluttony

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Speaker 1: to discuss the latest Bengals news and look ahead to

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Speaker 1: Sunday's game against the Giants coming up, Dave Lapham joins

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Speaker 1: me to discuss the rehab process for Joe Burrow and

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Speaker 1: who will start in his place this week. My one

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Speaker 1: on one player interview this week is with c ju Zama,

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Speaker 1: who knows all about rehab after tearing his achilles in

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Speaker 1: week two. He looks forward to pushing and being pushed

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Speaker 1: by Joe Burrow in the months to come. And in

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Speaker 1: our Know the Faux segment, we'll get the scoop on

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Speaker 1: the three and seven Giants from Jordan Ranan, who covers

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Speaker 1: On a previous podcast, I mentioned that during the COVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen pandemic, I've tried to keep two words in mind,

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Speaker 1: careful and hopeful. And on this Thanksgiving I'm adding grateful

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Speaker 1: to our everyday heroes who have been there for us

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Speaker 1: during this crisis. Doctors, nurses and other healthcare workers, police,

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Speaker 1: and here's hoping that the end of this pandemic is

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Speaker 1: in sight. Now let's get to my key Day conversation

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Speaker 1: with Dave Lapham lapter Ryan Finlay. Era might have been

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Speaker 1: short lived. At eight am on Wednesday, Mike Gara Folo

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Speaker 1: from the NFL Network broke the news that the Bengals

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback on Sunday will be third stringer Brandon Allen

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Speaker 1: instead of Ryan Finley. Dak Taylor would not confirm that

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Speaker 1: when asked about it on Wednesday, but in any case,

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Speaker 1: Brandon Allen just brought it from the practice squad where

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Speaker 1: he has been all year. He started three games for

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Speaker 1: Denver last year, winning one with a passer rating of

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Speaker 1: sixty eight point three. He's had very few practice reps

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Speaker 1: this year, but he was with the Rams in two

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Speaker 1: Here's offensive coordinator Brian Callahan. Part of the reason we

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Speaker 1: signed Brandon is because he's he's got some familiarity. He's played.

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Speaker 1: I played two games in Denver last year for three

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Speaker 1: games stretching and won one of them. Hein't been out

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Speaker 1: for a little bit. He's got a good way about it,

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Speaker 1: and so he really was, you know, kind of our

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Speaker 1: nice job for what everything he's been asked to do.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean he's even the same boat, really

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Speaker 1: and that's just the nature of being a back of quarterback.

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Speaker 1: If Brandon Allen is in fact the starter on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: what do you think that means. I think it means

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Speaker 1: that the coaches have you know, a strong comfort level

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Speaker 1: about as big as anything I think is which which

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Speaker 1: think those are all considerations, and those three starts in Denver.

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Speaker 1: He beat the Cleveland Browns twenty six to ten. Minnesota's

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Speaker 1: That is virtually insignificant because the rules have changed to

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Speaker 1: to talk about Joe Burrow. The loss of Joe was

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Speaker 1: in typical Joe Burrow fashion. He's been lifting the spirits

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Speaker 1: You know, I get to rehab with with you know,

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Speaker 1: with my guy Lap, we are doctors. But I have

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Speaker 1: I think Joe Burrow not only a five star recruit,

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Speaker 1: going to be scoring thirty points a game, So to

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Speaker 1: win games from here on in, the defense is going

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Speaker 1: to have to play great. It's currently twenty second in

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Speaker 1: the NFL and points allowed twenty seven points per game.

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Speaker 1: Here is safety Jesse Bates with Joe being hurt. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're going to have an opportunity at the quarterback spot

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Speaker 1: for you know, whether it's Finley or whoever it is,

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Speaker 1: you know, to make an impact. But the standard for

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Speaker 1: the defense just has to raise sometimes more with you

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Speaker 1: know that that part being out um, and it's something

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Speaker 1: that's not you know, a secret um, something that we

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Speaker 1: gotta address in the room. Um. You know, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: win games because our defense. Uh, these next couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: so very excited for the challenge. Lap This week they

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Speaker 1: faced the Giants. Giants are not a good offensive team.

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Speaker 1: Their thirtieth in scoring, their thirtieth in yards. They are

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Speaker 1: next to last in sacks allowed per passing play. This

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Speaker 1: is an opportunity, at least in the first game post

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, for the defense to carry the Bengals to

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Speaker 1: a win. It is and uh, you know Jones is

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Speaker 1: a turnover machine. You know, in twenty three starts, he's

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Speaker 1: got like thirty five giveaways. In terms of lost fumbles

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Speaker 1: and interceptions. You fumbled the ball eighteen times last year

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Speaker 1: and lost eleven of them. So that's you know that,

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Speaker 1: that's if a guy has a reputation for that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing, you have to try to separate them from

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Speaker 1: the football and others. That One of the biggest things

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Speaker 1: that the defense has to work on DAN is forcing fumbles.

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Speaker 1: They've only forced four fewist in the NFL. They've recovered one,

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Speaker 1: tied for fewest in the National Football League. So the

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Speaker 1: suddenness fumbles occur when a player is, you know, protecting

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Speaker 1: the ball, but he sees somebody and he's trying to

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Speaker 1: protect the ball from one guy and incomes another puts

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Speaker 1: his helmet right in the ball and he never sees

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Speaker 1: him coming, and the suddenness of that is too much

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Speaker 1: for the player to counter. So the banks are gonna

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Speaker 1: have to do more of that type of thing. One

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Speaker 1: guy set it up, another guy come in for the

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Speaker 1: kill shot to course to cost the turnover, and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to do a lot more of that. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to separate players from the football, whether it's

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Speaker 1: separating from an incompletion, separating for a ball that goes airborne,

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Speaker 1: like the you know, tip interception off of Marcus Hunt's

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Speaker 1: face mask, or a tip ball at the line of

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Speaker 1: scrimmage from a defensive lineman, or not just in defense,

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Speaker 1: but special teams. You know, the defense and special teams

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Speaker 1: have to think not only special teams establishing field position,

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Speaker 1: but score. You know, maybe get a return, take a

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Speaker 1: return back to the house, punt or kickoff return. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you force a fumble on a return of the opposition,

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Speaker 1: give a short field. Defensively, force a FuMB will get

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Speaker 1: a short field, get an interception, get a pick six,

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Speaker 1: pick the phone, bump, and score. You know you don't

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Speaker 1: you don't necessarily play every snap to try to do that,

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Speaker 1: because it'll distort what you're really trying to do. You

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Speaker 1: have to make sure you do your job, but try

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Speaker 1: to try to get more involved from a gang perspective,

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Speaker 1: more guys involved in around the football. As the old

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Speaker 1: saying goes, and I believe in a one hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: percent you see it over and over again. When you

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Speaker 1: run to the football as a defensive football team, good

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Speaker 1: things happen, and they're gonna have to create some good

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Speaker 1: things and make good things happen to you know, the

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Speaker 1: worst thing that you can have happen is whoever is

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, even Joe Burrow, not starters own five yard line,

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Speaker 1: ten yard line, inside the twenty and have to drive

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Speaker 1: long field. You have to give them positive feel position

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Speaker 1: and put the other team on the long field. You

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Speaker 1: have to play long field for the opposition, short field

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Speaker 1: for your football team. However that occurs, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to do everything you possibly can to support who's playing quarterback,

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Speaker 1: because even with the excellence of Joe Burrower quarterback, the

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Speaker 1: team was two seven and one. Did you play a

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Speaker 1: lot of Thanksgiving Day football in your childhood? I did.

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Speaker 1: Out in the front lawn. We were yeah, we were

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Speaker 1: doing that left and right. I have two brothers, had

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Speaker 1: a lot of boys in the neighborhood, and we played.

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Speaker 1: We played a quite a bit of football. We played

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Speaker 1: tackle football without pads, you know, out an old daggers

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Speaker 1: field man. We'd all but we go to Daggers Field

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Speaker 1: and appropriately named mister Dagger had a big farm and

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Speaker 1: he let us, he let us use a part of

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Speaker 1: it to play all kinds of sports you know out there,

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Speaker 1: and uh it was great, man. Those are great memories,

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Speaker 1: all right. Well, I hope you have a fantastic Thanksiving day.

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Speaker 1: My best to lend in your family. Crush that meal,

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Speaker 1: all right? I will you do the same, Dan to

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Speaker 1: Peg and yours and uh and I'm telling you, let's

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Speaker 1: have the happiest Thanksgiving we've ever had because this year,

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Speaker 1: this year is crazy, it's different, but there's still a

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Speaker 1: lot of things to be thankful for in families. First

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Speaker 1: and foremost, you too, see your Dan. The Bengals Booth

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Speaker 1: podcast is presented by Bud Light Seltzer. It's light and

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Speaker 1: refreshing with a hint of fruit flavor. Now time for

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Speaker 1: this week's one on one player interview. This week, I

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Speaker 1: caught up with tight ends CJ Uzama. We heard a

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Speaker 1: small snippet of that interview earlier. CJ caught Joe burrows

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Speaker 1: first NFL touchdown pass in Week two against Cleveland before

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Speaker 1: suffering a season ending injury the same night. CJ, it's

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Speaker 1: been a little bit more than two months since you

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Speaker 1: tore your achilles. How are your spirits and what are

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Speaker 1: you able to do in terms of rehab At this point,

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Speaker 1: spirits are where they are for you know, considering I

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Speaker 1: have an injury and I'm not able to be out

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Speaker 1: there with the boys and you know, helping the team

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Speaker 1: fight for for wins. Uh. So yeah, it's it's it

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Speaker 1: is where it is with that. But in terms of rehab,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty ahead of schedule. I I'm out

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Speaker 1: of the boot. I'm walking a fair amount. I just

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Speaker 1: got a puppy, so I'm walking him a lot. And

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Speaker 1: that's good rehab, they said. So it's it's good that

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Speaker 1: he's kind of a handful. Um. And then yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing pool workouts and a bunch of different exercises. I

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Speaker 1: actually have a call with the doctor here in two

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Speaker 1: three weeks just so he can kind of see and

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Speaker 1: monitor a session. And I've talked to him a little

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Speaker 1: bit and um, yeah the trainers, and he seemed very

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Speaker 1: optimistic about you know, the direction I'm headed headed in

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Speaker 1: and how kind of a head of schedule I am.

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Speaker 1: What kind of puppy and what could you name him

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Speaker 1: or her? Um? So I got a um, a Saint

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Speaker 1: bridudal Um, and I got him because he's hypologenic, and

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Speaker 1: I named him apa um. And I'm actually gonna get

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Speaker 1: him a little brother or sister or a brother or

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Speaker 1: sister soon because I'm gonna adopt one as well, just

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Speaker 1: just so he has kind of, uh, you know, someone

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Speaker 1: someone to hang out with while I'm out doing where

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Speaker 1: you haven't working out. Was the Uzama family a dog family?

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Speaker 1: Did you have dogs growing up? No? I didn't have

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Speaker 1: one dog. I didn't have a pet. I had well,

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Speaker 1: I had like a turtle, um, and some fish and

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Speaker 1: that was it. That was that was all I had

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Speaker 1: growing up. My parents are really you know, keen on

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Speaker 1: not no having no hair in the house and no

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Speaker 1: fur and all the stuff. So, um, first, first, like

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Speaker 1: pet that I'm having to actual actually take care of,

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Speaker 1: take care of. And um, he's been good so far,

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Speaker 1: he's been good. He's growing like crazy, but he's been

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Speaker 1: really good. I'm sure you will enjoy it. We're visiting

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Speaker 1: with c J Uzama. Back in your rookie year, CJ,

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Speaker 1: you were teammates with Leon Hall, who tore his achilles

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Speaker 1: twice and made a complete comeback both times. Do you

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Speaker 1: draw inspiration from him or anybody else that's overcome this injury? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, looking looking at it now, Um, you know

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Speaker 1: Katie is battling this as well. And like you said, um,

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Speaker 1: Leon with his and um Nick, you know, the our

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Speaker 1: training staff is great. Nick was like, You're You're going

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Speaker 1: to be completely fine. Like this is back in the day,

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Speaker 1: this is something that you know, people were more worried

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Speaker 1: about because of what they were doing. But um, with

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Speaker 1: with what what's been going on in modern you'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: You'll be completely fine. So um and then even seeing

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm a huge Chelsea fan, so even seeing

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Speaker 1: some of the players last year, uh, you know had

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Speaker 1: this had a similar injury, and I'm I watched him

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Speaker 1: on the pitch tonight or today, um in the Champions League,

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Speaker 1: so one of them, one of them was out there

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Speaker 1: and he actually scored a goal. So yeah, I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: completely okay with with how how the process is going,

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Speaker 1: and I'm expected to be one hundred and ten percent.

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Speaker 1: But by the time I come out of this, sadly,

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Speaker 1: you are joined on the injured list this week by

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. You are always positive, but how hard did

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Speaker 1: that one hit you? Yeah? That that hurts? You know

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Speaker 1: that that hurts because of kind of the person that

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Speaker 1: he is off off the bat and the leader that

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Speaker 1: he is. And you can tell he's I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: obvious he's a leader because we voted him Kats and

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Speaker 1: and and he's a rookie, you know. So, Um that

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Speaker 1: that definitely, you know, kind of is gut rich and

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Speaker 1: and you know hurts to see obviously, no matter what,

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Speaker 1: it hurts to see one of your guys go down.

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Speaker 1: But to see it's your quarterback, to see it's Joe,

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Speaker 1: to see it's a leader and a captain of your team. Um,

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Speaker 1: all those things and the severity of it. You know

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Speaker 1: that that that definitely is a gut punch. Um. And

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Speaker 1: you know not being there is even ten times worse.

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Speaker 1: You Now, I'm watching this on TV and I'm just like, man,

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Speaker 1: I just want to, you know, give him some love,

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Speaker 1: show him some love, and and watching the guys one

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Speaker 1: by one go up to him and tap him on

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Speaker 1: the head and say, you know, you know, say the

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Speaker 1: praying for him and things like that. Um, you know

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Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. But yeah, definitely that that's

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Speaker 1: that's a tough one. I don't know how COVID restrictions

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Speaker 1: could impact this, CJ, but do you envision the possibility

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Speaker 1: of you and Joe helping to push each other through rehab? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I think today I saw him in there, and um,

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Speaker 1: he seems high spirited and and he was asking a

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Speaker 1: bunch of questions about like, hey, can I do this? Hey?

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Speaker 1: Can I do this? Hey? Can if I try to

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Speaker 1: flex this right now? Is that? Can I? Is that okay?

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Speaker 1: And the trainer Nick was like yes, like does that

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Speaker 1: not hurt? And he's like it feels it feels a

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Speaker 1: lot better already today. And I was doing the rest

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Speaker 1: of my rehab and finishing up and Nick came, you know,

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Speaker 1: to to help me out, and he was like that

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Speaker 1: as a beast, Like that's insane that he's his pain

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Speaker 1: talents has to be ridiculous for that. UM. So hearing that,

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Speaker 1: you know itself, I'm like, yo, hold up, let's crank

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Speaker 1: up my my rehab real quick, man, Like come on, like,

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Speaker 1: what are we doing here? I don't feel anything either,

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Speaker 1: Come on, push me a little harder. UM, But no,

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Speaker 1: I think I think it'll be. I think it's good.

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously traveling restrictions. I'm gonna be pretty much

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Speaker 1: planted here throughout the entire all season, which I'm fine with. UM.

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Speaker 1: And now, yeah, that's another kind of person. I can

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Speaker 1: you know, work out with train with UM. I have

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Speaker 1: my quarterback here, so when he's on his feet, you

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Speaker 1: know I'm gonna say, hey, you got it's time to

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Speaker 1: throw buddy, like let's let's go. And and I know

638
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be as eager to get back out there.

639
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think, you know, it's that's the probably

640
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: the only positive of of of of his injuries, you know,

641
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: I get to rehab with with you know, with my guy.

642
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: A couple more questions for c. J Uzama. Immediately after

643
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: your injury, you're back in the building going through team meetings,

644
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: much to the surprise of your buddy Giovanni Bernard. Why

645
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: has that been so important to you? Yeah, and I

646
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: think you know, it's been tougher now with all these

647
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: things that are going on and you know, zoom when

648
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: not to zoom um when we're on you know, when

649
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: people can come into building, it's it's it's it's crazy.

650
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. I just thinking about our

651
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: team and how really we're a young team, you know

652
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: when I think about it, and especially at the tight

653
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: end position, I'm the oldest guy in there, which is

654
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: super weird to me. Still, Um, I just feel like

655
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: it's good to you know, let everyone know that one

656
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm back next year, like I expect to

657
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: make a full recovery, So I want to know everything

658
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: that's going on, but to just give any guidance to

659
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: anybody that has a question or um, you know, just

660
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: make my presence known, say something going. You know. The

661
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: toughest part is not being able to, you know, congratulate

662
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: someone when they make a good play or something right.

663
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: So I'm watching film, I'm seeing catches that are made,

664
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm going up to people. I'm texting people like, hey,

665
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: I saw you, but I was I was nice, I

666
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: see you out and things like that. So, um, you

667
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: know it is these are these are guys that you know,

668
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: I spend majority of my life with. I don't my parents.

669
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: I get to like see for Thanksgiving, maybe your Christmas

670
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: things like that, but other than that, I'm planted here

671
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: and you know, um, these are my brothers, so I

672
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: I have that connection with them. I want to be

673
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: a part of you know, any success that we have

674
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: and you know, all the failures that we have. I'm

675
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: a part of this team and I kind of just

676
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: want everyone to know that, you know, I'm here if

677
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: they knew anything. Last things for c j Uzama, I

678
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: know you would rather be playing, but the injury has

679
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: given you some time that you otherwise wouldn't have, allowing you,

680
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: among other things, to make an appearance recently on the

681
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: London Is Blue podcast for fans of Chelsea's Premier League

682
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: soccer club. Tell me about that opportunity. That was Honestly,

683
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: that was it was awesome. They had reached out to me,

684
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: um a while ago too, actually, and we just weren't

685
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: able to ever, you know, get on schedule with it,

686
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, being able to talk about Chelsea and um,

687
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: you know, get in touch with people that love Chelsea

688
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: as much as I do and want to go over

689
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: and watch matches, and it was awesome. Um, you know

690
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: those guys are you know, Nick, Brandon, Dan, They're They're

691
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: all awesome guys and and you know they're like, hey,

692
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: if we can get you back on the show, I'm like, hey,

693
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: I'll definitely be back, um with you know, hopefully traveling

694
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: permitted and rehab permitted. I can go over to a

695
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: match with them, and uh, it was. It was good.

696
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 1: It was good answer that we had, and um, I

697
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: was probably one of my you know, one of my

698
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: favorite interviews. I've had too many with you to to

699
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: to count, but um, no offense taken. It was it was,

700
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: it was. It was fun to be able to kind

701
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: of talk talk soccer as well. You know, talking about

702
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: football is something that I love doing because you know,

703
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 1: I've been doing it since I was six, But being

704
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: able to talk about another sport that I have, you know,

705
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: great admiration for is something that I'll always enjoy. Well,

706
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: look out for Leicester City because my beloved Foxes are

707
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: looking really good this year. They are looking hey, they

708
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: are looking good. I'd say it's between for me right now,

709
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: it's between Chelsea Leicester and then I don't want to

710
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to say this team at all, but

711
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: Tottenham is also putting on a strong campaign, so we'll

712
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: see how it finishes. Great to catch up with you, CJ.

713
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: Continued good fortune with the rehab and we look forward

714
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: to seeing you back on the field soon. Awesome, Thank

715
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: you very much. Now time for our know the faux segment.

716
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: The New York Giants are three and seven. That means

717
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: they're a half game better than the Bengals, but it

718
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: also means they're only a half game behind the first

719
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: place Eagles in the NFC East. Jordan Ranan covers the

720
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: Giants for ESPN and joined Lap and Wayne box Miller

721
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: this week on the Bengals game Plan shown that, Yeah,

722
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: the three and seven, I got two and or other

723
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: right in the middle of that division, Yes, sir, right,

724
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: you know everybody's got three. Yeah, I think about it.

725
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: You put him in like the you know, the AFC North,

726
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: they're like their season's over exactly basically. Yeah, I looked

727
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: at the you know, the conference, and I said, eleven

728
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: of the twelve teams outside of that division would be

729
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: in first place if they were in the NFC East.

730
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: To put that in perspective, that's just crazy. Since very

731
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: twenty twenty though, that's it's very apropole, right, there's no

732
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: doubt speak speaking of appropole, this team has been in,

733
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, outside the San Francisco forty nine Er game

734
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: and maybe the end of the Steeler game, they've been

735
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: in every game that they played. Yeah, I mean that's

736
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: the one thing you look at this team and I

737
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: think that's why people and I'm on board with this

738
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: as well. You see progress from Joe Judge and new

739
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: first year head coach and the program he's building. I mean,

740
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: they not only have they've been in all their games,

741
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: they really should have one. And then I'm not somebody

742
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: sitting there and say, you know, it makes excuses that

743
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 1: you should win, but they blew two games big time,

744
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: like you know, games that they absolutely should have won.

745
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, the Giants could have easily be five and

746
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: five right now. I mean I don't I don't think

747
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: that's out of the question easily. You know, four and

748
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: six definitely should be like their minimum. So yeah, this

749
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: is a team that has sown good flashes. I mean,

750
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: they're not explosive offensively. I think right now, as it stands,

751
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: there's two teams that have scored less points than them,

752
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: and that is the Bears and the Jets. But yet

753
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: the Giants have still managed to stay in a bunch

754
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: of games and lead a lot of games late and

755
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: now they claim they're just finally figuring out how to

756
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: win games and how to finish. And that's the difference

757
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: here in these last few weeks. And that speaks to

758
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: the Giants defense. I think a lot of people think

759
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: that the Giants may have the best defense in the

760
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: NFC East overall. I mean, they're sixth in the league

761
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: and rushing and they're only allowing four yards to carry,

762
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: which is eighth best in the league. So you know,

763
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: they stopped the run and then kind of go from there.

764
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: And is it that is their defense? Uh, you know,

765
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: keeping them in a lot of football games. Yeah, I

766
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: mean their defense has been consistently competitive. And for a

767
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: while I was on the board with you know, well,

768
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: teams that could pass the ball and slinging around the

769
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: yard could still be very successful against and the half.

770
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: They have some awards on defense, They have trouble in

771
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: the slot, they have trouble with their second cornerback, and

772
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, the reality is this is gonna be like

773
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: their fifth I think this is their fifth backup quarterback

774
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: they're basically playing this year. But so you're thought, okay,

775
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: whence they start playing some real quarterbacks, they'll get torn apart.

776
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: But then they went against Tom Brady and they held

777
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: their own. Tom Brady was a short set whole first set. Yeah,

778
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz even though I know he's he's been shaky,

779
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: flash bad this year. You know, they did a really

780
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: good job against him in the in their last game.

781
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, the defense has managed to go from a

782
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: unit that has been really bad the last couple of

783
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: years too. Okay, they're about middle of the road now

784
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: somewhere around there. They're really good against the run, but

785
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: if you want to exploit them, you can have some

786
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: success against the pass. And really that's gonna be the

787
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: question here. Can the Bengals be successful in the pass game.

788
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: They have a lot of receivers that can that are

789
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's a good match up against some of

790
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: the Giants cornerbacks and defensive backs. But can they take

791
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: advantage of that with Brandon Allen at quarterback and you know,

792
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: with the Giants, you know, feeling better about themselves lately.

793
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: You know, when I look at the game against the

794
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles and you had thirteen quarterback hits and Leonard

795
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: Williams had five of those. Going up against a quarterback

796
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: that doesn't have the experience this coming week, I gotta

797
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: believe that that's an area that they're really going to

798
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: be paying attention to. Yeah, I mean, look, that's where

799
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: the Giants. The Giants don't have a great pass rusher, right,

800
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: they don't have an age rusher that's going to scare you.

801
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: Where they can have some success. They're best passers, probably

802
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams. So the Eagles problem this year has been

803
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: at the guard position, you know, up the middle, and

804
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: so that's where they were able to exploit Philadelphia. You know,

805
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: that's where they did the match up here for the Giants.

806
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: They could probably have some success there as well. So

807
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams is kind of the guy as the pass rusher.

808
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: He leads the team with five sacks that you need

809
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on because he's the only one

810
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: in there. But it's not like they have multiple guys.

811
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: He's the only one in there on that interior that's

812
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: really good to threaten you and scare you in regards

813
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: to pass rushing. Like they're good against the run, they're

814
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: stout against the running. There. Leonard Williams is the guy

815
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: as the pass rusher from the interior that if you're

816
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: the Bengals, you say, okay, we need to make sure

817
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: if we could limit this guy and we could stop

818
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: this guy. And Leonard Williams, to be quite honest, he's

819
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: been a guy who's been up and down most of

820
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 1: his career. He hasn't been consistently dominant even though he's

821
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: been a He was a really high pick by the Jets.

822
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: If if they can limit him either, they should be

823
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: able to have to get Brand down enough time if

824
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: he's able to read the defense correctly. And that's another

825
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: thing the Giants has done really well. Patrick Graham, he

826
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: was with the Dolphins last year. He knows Joe Judge.

827
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: For New England, he has done a really good job

828
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: and the Giants has done a really good job. They

829
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: bring they're gonna show Brand all and looks that he's

830
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: probably never seen before. Yeah, I mean, they're gonna show

831
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: him every look. You can imagine. That's what they do

832
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: anyway on a regular basis. They're extremely multiple. They're gonna

833
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: show everything and try to confuse the heck out of him. Yeah,

834
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,439
Speaker 1: he's got that New England pedigree three to four base.

835
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: But they'll morph into just about everything and anything, and

836
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: from one week to the next they look like a different,

837
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: very different football team, a different scheme and philosophy. One

838
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: thing that's not shy about admitting that either there yea

839
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: their defense that is they're gonna do whatever is the

840
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: best matchup for that week. They're totally matchup base right right,

841
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: And that's you have to have versatile players, smart players,

842
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: just like the Patriots over the years have had players

843
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: that can you know, morph into different responsibilities and roles,

844
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: and that's what they're starting to do a good job

845
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: of With the New York Giants. One thing that is

846
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: very obvious. Last year minus seventeen in the turnover department,

847
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean, they just gave games away worse than the

848
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: National Football This year, it's dead even, you know, the

849
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Speaker 1: fifteen takes fifteen gives. They're protecting the football better, and

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at their defense. They've forced sixteen fumbles, tied

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Speaker 1: for second most in the league, and they've recovered seven

852
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Speaker 1: of them, tied for seven. At the Bengals, on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, they've only forced four fumbles, dead last in

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Speaker 1: the league, only recovered one, tied for the fewer. So

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Speaker 1: the Giants are showing themselves to be a lot more sudden,

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Speaker 1: you know, and really separating people from the football. Has

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Speaker 1: that been real elevinant? Yeah? You know what's funny, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned those numbers, and I didn't even realize they're at

859
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Speaker 1: even because the Giants early in the sevey, Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: was turning it over like nothing. Early in the season

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Speaker 1: like that kind of been hismo for most of the time.

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Speaker 1: He's the starter. But these past two weeks, Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: He started now twenty one games. He has three games

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Speaker 1: that he hasn't committed a turnover. Two of them have

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Speaker 1: been the last two weeks. The Giants force five turnovers

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Speaker 1: against Washington two games ago, and I think we're plus

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Speaker 1: two last week, so they're basically plus seven in the

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Speaker 1: last two weeks alone. So they were minus seven up

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Speaker 1: until two weeks two games ago, not two weeks ago

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Speaker 1: because they're coming up a bye week, right, So this

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Speaker 1: is really this has really been the difference. If they

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Speaker 1: can limit those turnovers, that's when this Giant seemed they

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Speaker 1: can they can win games if Daniel Jones is the

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Speaker 1: one committing the turnovers, because, like you said, the defense

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Speaker 1: they do enough to confuse the opponent that they're able

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Speaker 1: to commit turnovers. They've been able to force a lot

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Speaker 1: of fumbles, and they've also been able to, you know,

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Speaker 1: create looks where they're defensive bats get opportunities to make plays.

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Speaker 1: And that's you know, again back to that New England

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Speaker 1: point of view. If you look back at the history

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Speaker 1: of Bill Belichick in New England, where obviously Joe Judge

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Speaker 1: comes from, right, look at their positive and negatives in turnovers.

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Speaker 1: I mean in fumbles alone. Yep. I mean it's incredible

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Speaker 1: how many more fumbles, and that's part of what they teach, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the fumbles that they cause compared to the

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Speaker 1: fumbles that they give up is just incredible in their favor,

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Speaker 1: and this Giant seems sort of morphed into that as well,

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Speaker 1: as long as they could keep Daniel Jones from fumbling

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Speaker 1: the football and turning it over himself. To put an

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Speaker 1: exclamation point on what you're talking about. Last year, he

891
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Speaker 1: started thirteen games, fumbled at eighteen times, led the league,

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Speaker 1: lost eleven of the crazy number. Yeah, lost eleven of them,

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Speaker 1: had twelve interceptions, had twenty three giveaways in thirteen games.

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Speaker 1: That's to turnover machine. And then you add this year's

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Speaker 1: numbers to us. Now it's twenty three total games, has

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Speaker 1: twenty five fumbles, lost fifteen of them, and he's also

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Speaker 1: got twenty one interceptions, thirty six turnovers in twenty three games.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, the last couple of weeks, it's gotten better.

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Speaker 1: But man, he's given teams a lot of opportunity. But

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Speaker 1: in talking about him, he's the leading rusher by well

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Speaker 1: over one hundred yards. Jones. Yeah, So I mean, what

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Speaker 1: the heck's going on there, And I guess that eleven

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Speaker 1: on eleven him running the football eleven on eleven football

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Speaker 1: becomes difficult for defenses. I guess yeah. There's a few

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Speaker 1: reasons for that. Number one is he's sneaky fast. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's a really good athlete, and teams don't think he's

907
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Speaker 1: gonna pull it on that you know, read option, yep,

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Speaker 1: and he has and he turned it into some really

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Speaker 1: big plays. So you have to be disciplined when you

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Speaker 1: play against this Giants offense because he is a threat

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00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: running the football. But part of the reason I think

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Speaker 1: it's been such a success is because nobody was really

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Speaker 1: expecting to see it much. Right. The Giants has stay

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Speaker 1: Quon Barkley. He was their running game. But then they

915
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Speaker 1: lose sta Quon Barkley. They're they're kind of, you know,

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Speaker 1: going through running backs. They can't settle on one. You know,

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Speaker 1: Davante Freeman was there starting running back for a couple weeks,

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Speaker 1: Dean Lewis was getting a lot of playing time. But

919
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Speaker 1: now they've finally settled in. Now Wayne Goldman is that guy.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be their main ball carrier in this game.

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Speaker 1: So he's had success in recently, so even though he

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Speaker 1: might not be the leading rusher on the team, he's

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Speaker 1: the guy you have to stop as a rusher. And

924
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Speaker 1: then Daniel Jones is a guy you have to be

925
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Speaker 1: disciplined because if you don't, if you sleep on him,

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Speaker 1: he can turn that into a big play. And it's

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Speaker 1: been a big part of the Giants offense. They've needed

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Speaker 1: to find ways to make explosive place because when you

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Speaker 1: look at if you're the Bengals and you enter this game,

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Speaker 1: you say, well, everyting Ram's a pretty good tight end

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Speaker 1: when he's at a down year. He's not a great player.

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Speaker 1: Stirling Separate quality player, Golden Tate quality player. But at

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Speaker 1: the end of his career running back No. One on

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Speaker 1: the Giants, Wayne Goldman's their main guy. But he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: They don't have that guy that scares opposing defensive coordinators

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Speaker 1: and keeps them up at night. So the Giants have

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Speaker 1: to have to find ways to make explosive place. One

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Speaker 1: of the ways they found was, hey, let's get Day

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Speaker 1: Jones in a you know, read option, have him keep

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Speaker 1: the ball and we can make big plays out of that.

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Speaker 1: And it's worked. It's really it's definitely worked, as you

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Speaker 1: could tell by those numbers. YEA. Our guests Jordan ran

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Speaker 1: on from ESPN Covers the Giant, said, you know, do

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Speaker 1: you know, um, if people were surprised about his speed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you guys scouted him and looked at

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Speaker 1: the things that he did well, But do you think

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Speaker 1: the league was pretty much sleeping on his speed because

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Speaker 1: the couple of those runs, I know, he had a

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Speaker 1: think a thirty plus yard run against the Eagles and

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Speaker 1: then the big run against eight Yeah, eighty, and I

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Speaker 1: think people were like, wait a minute, I didn't know

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Speaker 1: this guy had that in the quality box. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't think anybody really knew he

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Speaker 1: had this because you look at like the next gen speeds.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's at the twenty two miles per hour

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Speaker 1: and twenty two miles per hour. I mean you're talking

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Speaker 1: about like what cornerbacks, and there's very few guys. I

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Speaker 1: mean thinkwa Berkley barely hit twenty two miles per hour

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Speaker 1: very often. It had to do number one. Well, I

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Speaker 1: understand in part it was because you have to get

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Speaker 1: a really long running start, Like, no, guys don't hit

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Speaker 1: twenty two miles four in ten in a ten yards stretch,

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Speaker 1: right sure, but still for him to get to those speeds,

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Speaker 1: I was surprised. And I knew he was a good athlete,

965
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Speaker 1: So I mean, yes, you kind of realized he was

966
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Speaker 1: a good athlete, but you didn't realize when he gets

967
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Speaker 1: a running start and full speed and gets going that

968
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Speaker 1: he can kind of kick it up to that gear.

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Speaker 1: And what's funny about that is, in a way is

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Speaker 1: maybe he didn't know it either. He didn't realize faster.

971
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Speaker 1: And then that's when the turm, you know, the turf

972
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Speaker 1: monster came out and I play against the Eagles where

973
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Speaker 1: he kind of you know, even he had a laugh

974
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Speaker 1: about it afterwards, because you know he that was one

975
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Speaker 1: right in front of the whole nation to see if

976
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Speaker 1: himTo this fall on his face, but they also saw

977
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Speaker 1: and I think that should have opened dies. That's why

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, if you're the Eagles, you should be you

979
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Speaker 1: should be slapping yourself like to let it happen again

980
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: after that happen to you the first time, and you

981
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Speaker 1: saw how fast he was right then in this last

982
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: game to allow him for run for a touchdown, he

983
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Speaker 1: should have run for another touchdown if it was a

984
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Speaker 1: callback for penalty. Sometimes you run faster than you can, right,

985
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Speaker 1: he took him to the ground. I guess I do

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Speaker 1: it all the time in my head. I'm running. Really,

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00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: I hear you, and I see it on like a

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Speaker 1: video camera, like, oh my god, I'm old and slow?

989
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: Is that I hear you? A question would be with

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Speaker 1: the read option, has he done a good job of RPO,

991
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Speaker 1: you know, putting the passion to a little play action

992
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: off of that, off of that read option, have an RPO? Yeah,

993
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, that's a wrinkle we haven't seen very often,

994
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 1: but just coming. And you bring up a good point.

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00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here thinking, all right, at some point you

996
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: have to figure that's when they're going to whip it out, right, Yea,

997
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: So it's coming. It's just a matter of when. At

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Speaker 1: this point in my mind, okay, you know he's already.

999
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: Once teams start really playing it and show that they're

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00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: keying on it, that when I think we're gonna see. Okay,

1001
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: here's the wrinkle of him actually throwing off. You get

1002
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: the linebacker to freeze or you know, come or you

1003
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Speaker 1: know his eyes to come and and charge in and

1004
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: then that's when you can hit a big play. Down

1005
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: that middle of the field. So at some point I

1006
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: do expect them to to play off it. And uh,

1007
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 1: you know this week coming off to bye week, that's

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Speaker 1: a that could be a prime spot to do it.

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