WEBVTT - The Lake [4] 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.400 The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:07.440 those of the podcast author or individuals participating in the podcast, 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.520 and do not necessarily represent those of iHeartMedia, How Stuff Works, 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:12.560 or its employees. 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:19.800 This guy is a pathological psycho killer. There's no doubt 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:20.279 about it. 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:22.520 Is there any doubt in your mind that there is 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:24.880 there is not any connection between Valleo and and. 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:30.440 This we're shifting out now. I wouldn't say that there 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:32.800 is any connection yet. I wouldn't want to tell you 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:37.120 that there isn't at this time. We have some pretty 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.879 good physical evidence that we're working on now, and of 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:42.520 course we're going to get together with the Valeo authorities. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.960 We've been in contact with them since the incident, and 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:51.040 we definitely will pool our resources. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.560 The shores of Lake Berriessa always felt like a safe place, 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.000 and prior to September of nineteen sixty nine, there was 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.959 no reason to think otherwise. Located about eighty miles north 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.920 of the hard of San Francisco, it was quiet, it 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.440 was remote. It was the perfect place to spend a 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:15.679 lazy afternoon swimming, playing in the tall grass, or just 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.880 relaxing on a blanket on the water's edge. Unfortunately, all 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.959 the qualities that made it an ideal getaway also made 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:33.480 it the perfect place for other darker pursuits. 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.200 We're standing on a peninsula at Lake Bury Essa, in 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.440 this exact spot Brian Hartnell and the Cecilia Shepherd were 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:43.720 attacked in nineteen sixty nine. 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.560 There's no boats, there's no planes. All you hear is 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:56.240 birds in the background. So I can't believe it, But 0:01:56.320 --> 0:02:03.040 there's actually a couple shore on the actual island and 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.360 they're the only people we see here. I mean, you 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:07.080 can't even make this stuff up. I think we should 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:17.480 go down and talk to him. You came here knowing 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:18.079 what was here? 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:18.639 What's here? 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:20.400 Oh it's the same. 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:25.200 Yeah, it's where the Zodiac killer killed that guy in 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.200 that one girl right yeah. 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:29.480 Yeah, didn't one of them get away? 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:32.679 One of them lived, and then one of them died. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.000 The girl died in the hospital. I think, right, well, 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.920 that's kind of crazy. Like whenever we drive here, I'm like, wow, 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.880 he drove the same exact way just to get here 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:44.760 and do that. It's crazy to think about. 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.440 It's very peaceful out here, it is. 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:50.040 It doesn't seem like the place you get killed in. 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.200 Probably ruined the whole lak thing for you. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.440 In a mask, robbed, tied, and stabbed them, leaving them 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:03.839 for dad. 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.760 Subjects stated, I want to report a murder, no a 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:09.720 double murder. 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.600 I did it a man who wore a medieval style 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.680 executioners hood, carried a knife and gun and intended to 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:18.120 use them. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.360 They haven't arrested me because they can't prove a thing. 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:24.560 I'm not the damn Zodiac. 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.200 Who is the Zodiac and where is he from? 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:33.240 iHeartRadio, how Stuff works and Tenderfoot TV. This is Monster, 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:34.840 the Zodiac killer. 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:47.840 Dear editor, this is the Zodiac speaking in answer to 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.120 your asking for more details about the good times I've 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.280 had in Vallejo. I shall be very happy to supply 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.240 even more material. The boy was originally sitting in the 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:01.120 front seat when I began firing. When I fired the 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.080 first shot at his head, he leaped backwards at the 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:08.800 same time, thus spoiling my aim. He ended up on 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:13.560 the back seat, then the floor and back, thrashing out 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:17.600 very violently with his legs. That's how I shot him 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.760 in the knee. I did not leave the scene of 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.800 the killing with squealing tires and racing engine as described 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.640 in the Vallejo paper. I drove away quite slowly. 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.479 So it was late September nineteen sixty nine, and most, 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:32.800 if not all, of the residents of the nearby bay 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.080 area were well aware of a killer operating on the outskirts, 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.880 and now the killer had a name. In September of 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.200 nineteen sixty nine, Napa County was still a place for 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:45.840 relaxation and enjoyment. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.920 On September twenty seventh, nineteen sixty nine, a college student, 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:56.240 Cecilia Shepherd and Brian Hartnell decided to go to Lake 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.320 barry Essa to spend some time together. They had dated 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.159 in the years and they were still friends. They wanted 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.400 to go out to Lake barry Essa, which is an 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:10.760 absolutely beautiful location north of Napa, California. It's a massive 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:15.039 body of water. It's a man made lake, green hills, 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:21.080 green trees everywhere, lots of foliage, beautiful sunsets there reflected 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.280 on the water. It's an amazing place to be. If 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.680 you drive around the lake and you look around, you 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.960 be amazed by how beautiful that area is, and then 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.960 instantly you will think, what kind of person looks at 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.600 this as a setting for a brutal crime. 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.200 The events in Napa County would be different. The zodiac 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.440 was becoming more bold, emerging from the shadows. 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:50.360 Early last Saturday evening, Celia Shepherd and Brian Hartnell, both 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.440 in their early twenties, were sitting on this knoll of 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.160 land overlooking part of Lake barry Esa. They thought they 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.839 were alone, but there was a third man on this 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.680 a man who wore a medieval style executioner's hood, carried 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:12.200 a knife and gun and intended to use them. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.920 Brian and Cecilia decided to sit out on the banks 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:23.320 and talk and whatever. And at a certain point Cecilia 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:27.560 noticed a man up in the trees, and she commented 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:29.479 to Brian that there was a man up there, and 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.359 Brian thought, oh, it's no big deal. He might just 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:36.360 be doing whatever. But then the man got closer, and 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.560 at a certain point he donned a costume, and then 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:45.839 he stepped out and approached the victims. This costume was 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:51.200 dark with four corners on the top made it look 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.680 a little bit like a paper bag covered with fabric 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:57.080 over his head, and there was a chest piece that 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.520 came down over his chest with a white crossed circle 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:02.880 on it, which is the same symbol that he had 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:10.920 used in his previous letters. He approached the victims at 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:15.800 gunpoint and he said that he was an escaped convict 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.160 from a prison, either in Montana or Colorado. We're not 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.600 sure what he actually said, but that he needed their 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:26.160 car keys and money to escape to Mexico. Brian and 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:30.920 Cecilia thought they were just being robbed, and although Brian 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.080 at one point said that he thought he could have 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.960 gotten the gun away from the man, he was worried 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.280 that something might happen, that the man might shoot them 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.960 or something, so he thought, we'll just cooperate and get 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:42.520 through this and. 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:43.120 It'll be over. 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.040 The zodiac said he needed to tie them up, and 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:50.040 he provided some pre cut links of plastic clothesline courtingly, 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.640 and he had Cecilia type Brian and then he tied 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.480 her up and once they were laying on the ground, 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:01.120 I guess Brian Hartnell said to the man, is that 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:02.120 gun really loaded? 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:03.880 And the man opened the. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:05.960 Gun and showed him yes, there were bullets in there, 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:12.239 and then out of nowhere, the man started stabbing Brian 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:17.760 Hartnell on the back with a foot long knife, and 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.720 apparently he stabbed Brian Hartnell at least six times, and 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.560 Brian Hartnell decided that it was best to pretend to 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.480 be dead, so he just stopped moving, and that apparently 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.600 satisfied the killer, which is another indication of what his 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:35.120 motives were. Soon as Brian stopped moving, he moved on 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:40.920 as Cecilia. Now, unfortunately, as Brian described me, Cecilia had 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:45.720 to watch Brian be stabbed, and because of that she 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.199 was even more frightened when the man turned on her, 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.920 and unlike Brian, she fought back, and because of that 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.920 she was stabbed many more times. She was stabbed at 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:59.160 ten times in the front and in the back. Then 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:03.559 the killer appeared to be satiated. He stood up walked away. 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.880 He walked up the hill to where Brian Hartnell's white 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:11.480 Carmen Gia was parked. He took out a marker and 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.360 he left a message on the car door. It was 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:19.959 a crossed circle symbol. Below that were the dates twelve, 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.920 twenty sixty eight and seven four sixty nine, which were 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.160 the dates of the murders on Lake Kerman Road in 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.440 the shooting at Blue Rock Springs Park, and then it 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:33.760 said sept for the month of September twenty seventh, sixty 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:44.439 nine six point thirty by knife. Brian and Cecilia were 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:48.760 struggling with their wounds. They were bleeding profusely, but they 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.400 managed to free themselves and Brian tried to crawl off 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.800 to get help. Fishermen came by with his son in 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:57.079 a boat and saw the. 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:58.640 Victims and went off to get help. 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.400 Park ranger and others returned later and waited with the 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:04.920 victims until the ambulance. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:05.160 Right. 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:07.760 Yeah, when I arrived on the scene that Saturday night 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.160 around seven thirteen, when found this young girl in on 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:17.040 the shoreline here, all stabbed in several places, and her 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:21.319 boyfriend male companion had came too from He had been 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:25.199 stabbed and he had taken off for help. And the 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:29.280 other patrolman came in, which is Dennish Land. He found 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.320 him some hundred yards from here, passed out, so he 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.400 brough him back the scene of the where the girl was. 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.520 I've had eleven years patrol on this lake and I've 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.000 seen a lot of people cut up by boat accidents 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.280 in this but this is one of the worst things 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.240 I ever witnessed. For no reason at all, just a 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.280 hooded man came up with a pistol drawn on him, 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:50.480 tied him up and then told him, he. 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:51.079 Had to kill him. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.640 Cecilia Shepherd initially survived the attack, but slipped into a 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.120 coma on her way to the hospital and died two 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:02.760 days later on Monday, September two, nineteen sixty nine. Brian 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:07.280 Hartnell survived. Brian, in an interview from his hospital bed, 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.080 describes how he found the strength to live that night. 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.400 At the beginning, I did think I was going to die, 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.040 and so from that moment on one has to. 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:18.880 Have certain goals that you have to set. The first goal, 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:23.120 of course, was to live. I suppose the second goal 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:27.480 was to get untied. The next one was to get help, 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.640 and getting help getting to the hospital. You know, you 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.439 have to have a successful set of goals. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.600 And if you can keep this going and you can 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:40.800 keep your mind active, I don't whether you die or not, 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:41.160 you're at. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.160 Least psychologically. 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.560 Attune, whether you're in shock or not, if you can 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:53.040 keep arguing with yourself, praying, doing anything to keep your 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.720 mind off of yourself, or at least just not lapsing 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.520 back and just saying well, it's no use. 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.520 Brian will probably be able to leave Queen of the 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.480 Valley Hospital fairly soon. But where he's going from here 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.160 is being kept secret. In the event that the man 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.400 who attacked him and killed Cecilia Shepherd on Lake Barry esa, 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.840 we could go Saturday tries again. Brian made it for 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:21.600 two reasons some people might regard as intangibles, but reasons 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:25.400 that for him were enough. A strong faith and an 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:30.560 equally strong will to live. Dave Moncey's eyewitness news at 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.520 Queen of the Valley Hospital. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.920 Because he survived, Brian Hartnell was able to help the 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:07.120 investigators by providing detailed descriptions of the zodiac's elaborate costume 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.520 in the way he spoke to the couple before the attack. 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.440 In the hospital, Brian was interviewed and described the killer, 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.199 described the exchange they had, the conversation they had had, 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:22.319 and he also described the killer's costume in great detail. Unfortunately, 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.280 Brian could not see the killer's face, but he could 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.240 describe the killer's voice, and he thought that the killer 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.440 seemed like a younger person, maybe a student, and that 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.000 he appeared to have some kind of a drawl, not 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:41.199 a Southern drawl, but some form of an accent. Cecilia, 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.320 when she had seen the man before he put on 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.080 the mask, thought that he had dark hair, and then 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.000 when he was wearing the costume, there's some evidence that 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.439 Brian could see some of the hair through the eye 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.319 holes in the costume and thought that the man had 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:58.520 greasy brown hair, which was in some ways compatible with 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:02.280 the previous description given by Michael Michau. But of course 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.640 without seeing his face, you couldn't say for sure. 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.080 Brian was fortunate to survive. But there's another side to 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:13.680 the story that most people don't consider survivor's guilt. 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:18.160 In nineteen ninety nine, I spoke with Brian Hartnell and 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.920 he told me some things about that day which put 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:21.560 a lot. 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:22.520 Of things in context. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.440 He did talk about his desire to take the gun 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.520 away from the man, and then wrestling with the fear 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:30.840 that doing so might make matters worse and that he 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:35.120 might endanger Cecilia. And that was a tremendous responsibility, a 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.040 burden to be carrying, because as the man, especially in 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:42.560 nineteen sixty nine, you're expected to protect the woman. Put 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:46.040 yourself in Brian's position. You're there with a woman that 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.560 you care about and a man walks up with a 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.840 gun and says he's just going to rob you, and 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:53.960 part of you wants to fight back. But part of 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:55.920 you is worried that you're going to make things worse 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.520 and get somebody hurt. I do know that he did 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:03.480 feel some responsible for what happened to her. He also 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:07.720 talked about the fact that their faith helped them get 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.440 through this. After the killer left and they were sitting there, 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.720 bleeding and trying to get out of their bindings, they 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:18.080 prayed together and they said that that helped them get 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:18.920 through the ordeal. 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.000 Brian crawled out onto the road. 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:28.160 He was bleeding so profusely that if the ambulance probably 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.400 had not come when it did, there's a good chance 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.520 that he might not have survived. And he told me 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:39.280 that the knife came very close to his heart, just 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.440 an inch in another direction, and Brian probably would have 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.920 died that day and we would have never heard anything 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.600 about this story. But he also struggled with the fact 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:52.520 that later on he had to think about the conversation 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:56.920 he had with the Zodiac, where the Zodiac was basically 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.400 telling him I'm just going to rob you, and Brian thought, well, 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:03.680 maybe with my legal experience he was a law student, 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.000 maybe I could help this man. Maybe I could talk 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:07.360 to him. 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:08.720 He offered to help him. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:12.320 Get some help, and of course the Zodiac wasn't interested 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.280 in any of that because it was all a ruse. 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.720 He was just trying to get them to cooperate so 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.400 he can get them tied up. So he had apparently 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.600 created this scenario where he was going to use this 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:26.200 ruse to convince them everything's okay. Cooperate with me and 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.360 everything will be fine. And that's one of the most 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.680 terrifying aspects of that is that he actually got them 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:37.160 to participate in their own attack by convincing them this 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:38.680 is the best thing for you to do. 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:40.960 When he knew all along what he was going to. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:41.440 Do to them. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.600 This was not something that he just did on a 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.800 spur of the moment. Once they were tied up, he 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.320 tied them up for that specific purpose so they could 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:55.000 not fight back. You believe somebody when they tell you 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.280 I just want to take your money, So you say, okay, 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.280 all right, you can tie me up, and once that's done, 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:06.680 you have no choice any it's over. Brian was very 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.400 lucky that he survived, but I think, like a lot 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.399 of other people, he also still struggles with some guilt 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.760 because he was the person who survived. He decided to 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.480 play dead and that appears to have made the big 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.359 difference in why he's still here today. Cecilia did what 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.600 many of us would have done, which is fight for 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:28.280 her life, and apparently she paid the price for that. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.280 And as it turns out, Zodiac was selective when choosing 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:43.880 his victims on that day at the lake. 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.399 It was probably easier to escape that area during the 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.160 day than it would have been at night. There's if 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.080 you've ever been to Lake Barrier, so there's lots of 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.919 winding roads, and it was even more so back in 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.479 nineteen sixty nine when those roads weren't paved and they 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.879 were little dirt trails and things like that. He may 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:05.000 have been familiar with that area and selected that spot specifically, 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.359 but there's no guarantee there would be somebody there. So 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.680 that might also explain why some witnesses saw a. 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.879 Man walking around the area and just randomly looking at 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.680 people and staring at them, because he may have been 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.400 considering killing those people as well. There were three young 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.560 girls who I believe were sunbathing in an area of 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.919 the lake who said a man was staring at them. 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.159 If that was the Zodiac, you have to stop to 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.879 think about what was going on. Was he looking at 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:34.800 those people because he was trying to make sure they 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.320 wouldn't pay any attention if he attacked someone else, or 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:42.080 was he considering attacking those three girls? And what's even 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.280 more terrifying is that there was a man and his 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.960 young son who said that they saw a similar individual. 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.840 Was that guy stalking them and considering attacking a father 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:57.320 and son? And why didn't he Did he become concerned 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:01.040 that someone might see him? Or did he notice that 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.680 they had guns because they were apparently there's some people 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.600 in the area who were hunting and target shooting and stuff. 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.000 So me he may have said, I don't want to 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:12.359 risk somebody who's armed. 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:15.440 Maybe he decided not to he didn't want to kill 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.120 a little boy. I don't know, but it does indicate 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:21.000 that he was entertaining a lot of different. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.320 Possibilities that day. And that's a drastic departure from what 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:25.159 he had done before. 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.920 Was the Zodiac killing strictly for attention. He did seem 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.360 proud of his kills, bragging about them in a very 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.760 public way, But why such a dramatic turn of events 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.720 at Lake Barriessa. The killer had changed his method of 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:46.119 operation from shooting to knife attack. Doctor Eric Hickey, criminal 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.800 psychologist at Walden University and consultant for the US Department 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:53.720 of Defense, thinks it was all about progression, going from 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.879 the somewhat detached method of killing with a gun to 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.800 the more up close and personal method of ending a 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:01.200 lit life with a blade. 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:03.800 I don't think that he's already had really cared whether 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.959 he was caught or not. But I think he liked 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.400 the game, and I think when he went from shooting 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:12.320 to stabbing, shooting was just too easy, it was too quick, 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:16.920 but stabbing much more statistic, and I think he took 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.080 probably some delight in doing that. And you see some 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.040 of these guys and we don't know about some of them. 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.920 We don't know exactly what Ted Bundy did to his victims. 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.919 We only heard some things because he did it in 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:31.520 the woods. I'm sure he made them suffer a great deal, 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.840 but we don't know if it was progression with him 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:35.160 or not. 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.200 It's one thing to just walk up and stab people, 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.760 but if you think about somebody like Ted Bundy, he 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.199 could have just as easily walked up and hit a 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.199 woman over the head with a crowbar and threw her 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.640 in the trunk and driven off but there was some 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.960 part of him that needed to lure them and fool 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.000 them into a false sense of security so that then 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.280 he could turn around and spring it on them as 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:05.480 a surprise. He needed to surprise women, and he needed 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:09.800 this fooling them aspect for him to feel powerful. Well, 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.760 there may have been with the Zodiac some element where 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:15.639 he wasn't satisfied anymore just shooting people. 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.440 Was he moving from sudden, blind attacks to a much 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:25.200 more controlled, ritualistic, or even sexual form of killing. The 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:29.600 killer's carefully crafted costume, complete with a handstitched Zodiac symbol, 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.320 may hold a clue. The bizarre costume he designed and 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:36.919 then war for the Lake Barriesa attack still puzzles authorities 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:40.840 and captivates the imagination of anyone who sees the police sketch. 0:21:41.600 --> 0:22:04.920 Even now, fifty years later, the Zodiac's strange costume raises questions. 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.639 At Lake barry Essa. He shows up with a bizarre 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:10.920 costume with his chosen symbol on the chest, a bizarre 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.920 story about how he had escaped from a prison and 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:16.880 he needed their money and car keys to escape to Mexico, 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:20.080 none of which appears to have been true. We know 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:22.919 that this story wasn't concocted just to put them at ease, 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:25.520 because he could have said anything to put them at ease. 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:28.280 And then you have to deal with the costume itself. 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:31.840 Ken Narlow, who investigated the case for the Knappe County 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.479 Sheriff's Office, said to me once, why is he wearing 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:38.560 a mask? What's the point? If you're going to kill 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:41.520 these people, why are you covering your face? There's no 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.560 evidence he did that in the previous crimes. And then 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.240 at the same time, if he wants to cover his face, 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.479 why isn't he just wearing a ski mask or something. 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:53.720 Why this elaborate costume? And even more importantly, if he 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.160 was going to kill the victims, and as far as 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:58.400 we know, if help hadn't arrived when it did, it's 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.560 very possible those victims could have died. And if they 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:04.240 had died, none of us would ever know that the 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:08.040 Zodiac had worn that costume. So that costume was not 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:11.720 about getting attention. It was not about seeing it in 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:16.080 the media or seeing those famous sketches of that costume. Now, 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:18.720 he didn't appear to care whether we knew about that 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:22.600 or not. That was for him, and it was for 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.199 the victims, and the only reason we know about it 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.640 is because Brian Hartnell survived to tell us what happened. 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:31.000 But if he had died, as far as we know, 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:33.600 they had just been stabbed. So this whole thing about 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:37.400 the costume and the story, that's all some private thing 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:40.199 that serves some inner need for the zodiac that we 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:43.520 don't really understand. But what I think it does tell 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:47.200 you is that he had a very rich imagination of 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:51.119 rich fantasy life, and he needed to feel a certain 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:53.800