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Unwine in the living room 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: the Porto Fino, pours self served, tap wall and soak 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: in a breathtaking coastal sunset. The por Fino Hotel and 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: Marina where coastal charm meets endless discovery. Now let's get 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: back to our interview. 14 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: with iHeartRadio. 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: Everybody it's been here with the Almost Famous podcast. We 17 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: are here live in studio. We just got off of 18 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: the Reunion Special, incredible special. I thought it was a 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: lot better than I expected to be. Nobody was talking 20 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: over each other, and I think there was many opportunities 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: to do that. Uh. First, my first question is it's 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: Alicia righty yiled it well, says it right, Others don't. 23 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: Sewan says it the best. 24 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 4: I will say, Sean gives them Alicia Alicia. 25 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: Okay, Alicia. It's a beautiful name. Thank you, Sean. Alicia 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: Alicia are here with us today. Goodness gracious, guys, you 27 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: left Paradise in a big way. Your experience in Paradise 28 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: was so beautiful and so good until it just got wild. 29 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 1: I want to start this with saying, Sean, I don't 30 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: think you were completely in the wrong. So and I 31 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: just have to say this as a fan. I'm watching 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: it back and up until the point that you start strategizing, 33 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: nobody else is doing it, and you said, hey, it's 34 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: time to strategize, like it's we're getting down here, it's 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: time to start think about it. Everybody was like, why 36 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: is he doing strategy? We're gonna get into the Samanta 37 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: and how it was communicated in those things in a 38 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: little bit. I don't think that was done perfectly. But 39 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 1: as soon as you guys left, everybody else starts strategizing. 40 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: So I think you were maybe ahead of the curve. 41 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: But my question for you is where did you guys 42 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: go wrong? 43 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 3: I don't think we were ahead of the curve. 44 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 4: I think it was shown that we were, or maybe 45 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 4: Sean more than me, but was starting to think of strategy. 46 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 4: But we were certainly not the only people having those 47 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 4: conversations at that point. 48 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 5: Well, there's a great quote by the Joker in the 49 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 5: Dark Knight movie that I'm not crazy, I'm just ahead 50 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 5: of the curve. That's how I felt like we were 51 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 5: in a way. But I think that when you look 52 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 5: when you watch it back, we have the luxury of 53 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 5: having a week break between all these episodes. When everyone 54 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 5: got mad at me for starting to talk strategy, two 55 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 5: days literally a day two days later they started doing it. 56 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 5: And what I did and no one else was thinking 57 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 5: this way was like I looked back on how many 58 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 5: days we had left until we were done filming. We 59 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 5: had like five days left when we got eliminated. So 60 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 5: I was doing the row ceremony math. I'm like, in 61 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 5: two days, we're gone. Like, unless we do something, we're gone. 62 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 5: They're going to vote south. So I was singing a 63 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 5: couple steps ahead. Everyone else is like almost living in 64 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 5: the moment, trying to figure out like rose by Rose Ceremony, 65 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 5: and I just I mean, I had a different opinion 66 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 5: about the show because it changed when it turned into 67 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 5: a competition for half a million dollars. 68 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: Do you agree? 69 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do agree with most of that. I guess 70 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 4: the where it went wrong, I think it was probably 71 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 4: a culmination of a lot of different things. Probably on 72 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 4: our end, we have some blame to take and responsibility there. 73 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: But I think also like crowd mentality, it's very easy 74 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 4: to jump on the ship that's sinking, and I think 75 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 4: there was a lot of that happening, especially considering everybody 76 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 4: who is on the same terms of not sending home 77 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 4: romantic relationships at that point in the game. So I 78 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 4: think it was a little bit of both, and I 79 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 4: think we can take responsibility for our end. We might 80 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 4: have been able to go about that a little bit 81 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 4: with a little bit more grace for Kat. So I 82 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 4: think lessons were learned and that's the best part of Paradise. 83 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: Who were coming away with better relationships all around. And yeah, 84 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 4: hindsight's twenty twenty, but. 85 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: Now we we did just have the reunion. You gave 86 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: an update on your relationship today, which is. 87 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 3: Really really good. 88 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: Friends, Sean, do you agree with that. I would agree 89 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: with that. 90 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we like there's a lot of layers 91 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 5: that you can unpack in that. 92 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I was really excited. 93 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,559 Speaker 5: I think we both were to like leave Paradise together 94 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 5: and like in a relationship, and ultimately, like when we 95 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 5: got back to Tampa, some things came up where we 96 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 5: no longer lived in Tampa together from some career opportunities, 97 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 5: and it was just, you know, distance is tough in 98 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 5: any relationship, especially for the way that I think that 99 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 5: what we want to have a relationship. So but yeah, no, 100 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 5: we're still really good friends. We talk all the time. 101 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 5: Definitely have it back no matter what. But yeah, it's 102 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 5: kind of where we're at before. 103 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: We dive back into obviously the exit and the Parliament 104 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: of Paradise and all those things that happened. I do 105 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: want to talk about the two of you, because you 106 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: did have a really solid relationship for a long time 107 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: in Paradise, not only I think because of your proximity 108 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: and Tampa to each other, but also just how you 109 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: two met. Can you talk to me and to listeners 110 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: about your relationship and what it meant to you guys, 111 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: because your exit kind of felt like Hey, we're gonna 112 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: try to keep going in this and then you're gone. 113 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: But we didn't get the sense of where you guys 114 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: actually stood as a couple. 115 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean when Alicia came in, we had our 116 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 5: first date, Like I felt so locked in after that, 117 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 5: like we what you only say a little bit of 118 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 5: it on the show obviously, and they can't show everything, 119 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 5: but like we talked so much about what we're looking 120 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 5: for in life, like our family backgrounds, like her going 121 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 5: to boarding school in London, like my brothers, Like we 122 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 5: kind of I felt like we covered so much ground 123 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 5: that first date, where like I really felt like I 124 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 5: knew her immediately, and that just continued going on throughout Paradise. 125 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 5: You never really saw our relationship as a couple, which 126 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 5: was like a little bit frustrating watching it back. Like 127 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 5: we were spending every night together, like those conversations that 128 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 5: we're having, like wake up in the morning and bring 129 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 5: it to breakfast, like that was a legitimate relationship. And 130 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 5: that's why you know, I felt so strongly about us 131 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 5: and about our relationship. And then you know, we left 132 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 5: and we tried to continue it outside of it, but 133 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 5: just life happens, and I think you live in a 134 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 5: little bit of a bubble on Paradise, and I don't 135 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 5: think one thing or the other led to our demise. 136 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 5: Is really just like almost timing in a way. 137 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so how does that work? How do you spend 138 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: the night together? You have to share, like with the roommate, 139 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: sleep in them bit next to you. 140 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 5: Some people were doing that we fortunately, which to my demise. 141 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 5: I think in the game show Strategy elm out of it, 142 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 5: I didn't have a roommate, so then like I just 143 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 5: she just came over and it was great. The other 144 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 5: people had roommates, so they were doing like four person sleepovers, 145 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 5: which I thought was a little bit, you know, not 146 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 5: my cup of tea. But yeah, there's some great clips. 147 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 5: They just haven't been released. They should release them because 148 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 5: they're they're juicy content of all the couples in the rooms. 149 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's uh, you know, for you, Alicia, Like 150 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: this relationship meant what. 151 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 4: For me? I think this relationshiphip was truly one of 152 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 4: the biggest winds. Like walking away from Paradise, I walked 153 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 4: in feeling like I had really secure friendships and those 154 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 4: were tested and felt like they were really on the 155 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 4: rocks for a while. And in the interim, Sean really 156 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 4: came to my defense, and I felt like I had 157 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 4: somebody who I could confide in, somebody who had my back, 158 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 4: and somebody who also had a really similar perspective on life. 159 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 4: And that just meant the world to have somebody in 160 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 4: your corner, especially when you feel like you don't have 161 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 4: any friends or people are going against you. It made 162 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 4: all the difference. And I think that's where we were 163 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 4: at the point of leaving. We had found so much 164 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 4: solace in one another. We didn't want to wake up 165 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: and see any of these people and breakfast with them. 166 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 4: We much rather just wake up in Tampa together. Is 167 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 4: kind of where our heads were at, And the fact 168 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 4: that geographically we were close in proximity was kind of 169 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 4: like a happy accident, serennipitous. But yeah, it was obviously 170 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 4: something that we didn't have to compromise leaving Paradise and 171 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 4: not being able to go back to the same place. 172 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, did you two ever know each other before the show? 173 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: Sean asked me out once before the show. 174 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: She said no, no, So when you saw him again, 175 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: you were like, ah. 176 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: I was out of town. I actually didn't say no. 177 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 4: He had invited you to a Tampa Bay Lightning game, 178 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 4: and I love lightning, but I was sadly out of town. 179 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 4: And I knew when I said that I was going 180 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 4: to sound like the girl who's like blowing him off. 181 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 4: But really, I just seldom spend time in Tampa. And 182 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 4: now I think you can. 183 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 3: Attest to a yeah, she definitely doesn't, so I. 184 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 4: Think, you know, I wasn't just avoiding you, but I 185 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 4: would love to go to the Tampa Gate Lightning game. 186 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 3: Now we can go out in public. 187 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 5: Yeah no, but I like we didn't really know each other, 188 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 5: Like we knew of each other, and like that was 189 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 5: back in like January, like we hadn't talked since then, 190 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 5: like after she completely turned me down, I was like, 191 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 5: all right, well, you know whatever on the bigger and 192 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 5: better things. And then you know, she shows up on 193 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 5: the beach. So like we knew of each other, but 194 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 5: I didn't really know the first thing about her background 195 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 5: or if we're even going to be compatible. And I 196 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 5: think that was like so shocking to me. Was like 197 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 5: as soon as like we connected, probably not the first 198 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 5: night because I was really drunk, but like the next night, yeah, 199 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 5: that was really great. And then I was like, oh, 200 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 5: this is someone I could see myself like leaving here with, 201 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 5: and then the feelings just grew throughout the time we 202 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 5: were there. 203 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: All these love triangles getting you twisted us too. But 204 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: it's because we have Wetzels Pretzels on decks, serving up soft, 205 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: salty and totally irresistible snacks from original butter to sinful cinnamon. 206 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: We've got your cravings covered, fresh baked, hand rolled, and 207 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: always hot. Go online to find your nearest Wetzels Pretzels 208 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 1: or to order ahead Your Wetzels paradise awaits at Wetzels 209 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: dot com. You talked about obviously you're in this like 210 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: limbo stage, You're really close friends, You're no longer like 211 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: dating or whatever you call it because of career opportunities. 212 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: Can you speak to any of those? Do you want 213 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: to share about what those are? 214 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if I can or can't share, 215 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 4: But regarding interior design, which is my background and what 216 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 4: I went to school for, so for me, that's super 217 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 4: exciting and I think I'm going to have a better shot, 218 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 4: hopefully than. 219 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 3: Doing a competition about love. 220 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 4: So yeah, fingers are crossed and I'm just you know, 221 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 4: going with the flow and seeing where life takes me. 222 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 4: I'm a firm believer that everything happens for a reason. 223 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 4: And if you had asked me even two years ago 224 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 4: if I would be on the Bachelor or Bachelor in Paradise, 225 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 4: I would have laughed. 226 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 3: But here we are so stranger. 227 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 4: Things can happen, and I'm just kind of welcoming opportunities 228 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 4: as they come. I'm trying not to pass them by 229 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 4: or turn them down while I can't take advantage of that. 230 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, smart, I mean the one thing kind of flashing 231 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: back to this season, the one thing that we did 232 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: see during the reunion reunion was you get a little emotional. 233 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: I felt like I was just watching. Tell me if 234 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: you didn't. When it was brought up with the moment 235 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: that you walked into the room and you heard the 236 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: other girls kind of talking about you, people that you 237 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: thought were friends. YEA, yeah, I want to take your 238 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: feelings there in that moment and kind of walk through, 239 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: you know, how you two process this and how maybe 240 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: close it brought you as a couple. 241 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 4: Definitely, that was certainly like the turning point for us 242 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 4: really feeling like we just needed to leave and be 243 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 4: pursuing our journey together individually at that point in Tampa, 244 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 4: I walked into the room and yeah, Like I was 245 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 4: very emotional bringing up to the union, and I was 246 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 4: emotional that night and even now talking about it, like, 247 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 4: I really really care about Alex and Bailey and all 248 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 4: my friends and people who I consider friends on the outside, 249 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 4: and it's easy to think this is a TV show 250 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 4: and just entertainment, and while it is, it's real people's lives, 251 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 4: and these are real friendships that you cultivate. So for me, 252 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 4: the friends that I keep, I've never been in a 253 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 4: room where, like I've had people talking about me who 254 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 4: I consider to be like sisters. 255 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 3: So that was really hard. 256 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: And it was also at a point where you know, 257 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 4: I didn't know who I could come to because I 258 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 4: didn't feel that I didn't really feel that welcome, and 259 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 4: I think we. 260 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: Were just kind of on a sinking ship. And it, yeah, 261 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: and it sucked. 262 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 4: It just really hurt my feelings to hear two people 263 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 4: who I wouldn't imagine ever saying things about me having 264 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 4: those private conversations. And then more than that, it was wow, 265 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 4: if I hadn't walked in, then what I have ever 266 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 4: known this was happening? 267 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 3: Probably not. And then the other thing was. 268 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 4: I had a lot of empathy for Bailey because no 269 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 4: one told her about the Susie thing, and had I known, 270 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 4: I would have told her. And I really stressed that 271 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 4: to her and emphasize that so she felt like she 272 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 4: had someone she could trust. So then to feel like 273 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 4: that happened just truly a day later, a day or 274 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 4: two later hurt even more because it felt like Bailey 275 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 4: should know how that would feel, and it just sucked 276 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 4: to have something done to you that you wouldn't do 277 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 4: to someone else. 278 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: Have you been able to rebuild those friendships and talk 279 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: through this. 280 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we have, We definitely have. At the end 281 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 4: of the day, I don't think a TV show is 282 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 4: going to get in the way of people who are 283 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 4: good friends. And I believe in second chances and we 284 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 4: all grow and nobody's perfect. 285 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 3: We're all human. 286 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 4: And I love this saying everyone's a saint when they're 287 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 4: talking about someone else's sins. I'm not perfect either, and 288 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 4: I think it's just an opportunity for us to learn 289 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 4: and grow and strengthen those relationships and hopefully stop a 290 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 4: reoccurring pattern from happening in the future. 291 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: Sure, now we do have to talk about obviously, the 292 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: Parliament of Paradise. Yeah, I'm most interested. I think in 293 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: the return I was talking to Ashley, we're breaking down 294 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: the finance. I just want to know what the two 295 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: of you were talking about, like on the plane flight, 296 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: Like it felt like you came in there a thousand 297 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: miles an hour to me and we're like, I have 298 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: to get this information out there to you all. What 299 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: was the build up like for the two of you. 300 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: Can you give us a sneak peek of one, how 301 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: you came across the information, how you thought about how 302 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: you were going to deliver it, why you delivered the 303 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: way you did, just like bring us in on the mix. 304 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that was a little bit like people misunderstood, 305 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 5: like they I only they heard the message and more 306 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 5: so just the delivery of it, which like looking back, 307 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 5: like I don't like I was pretty proud that I 308 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 5: didn't like started through it all like it was pretty 309 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 5: good speech. But I think what was so jarring to 310 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 5: people is that no one was doing that in front 311 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 5: of everybody, like they're gonna have these conversations like the 312 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 5: hotel room on the side. So to go back, we 313 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 5: didn't leave Paradise. We didn't leave Costa Rica. We stayed, 314 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 5: had a nice like four days. It was like the 315 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 5: best part of paradise. 316 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: We were in poor Keith. I wanted to go home 317 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: so bad. 318 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, and they just made a mistake. So we had 319 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 5: like four days together we spent which was amazing. But 320 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 5: when I had got to eliminated, I some information was 321 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 5: brought to me about the whole iPad situation. The cat 322 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 5: boyfriend who I ex boyfriend, but who I knew, but 323 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 5: it wasn't who I knew, but it wasn't like it 324 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 5: I get brought up in Paradise before, like wells had 325 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 5: heard about it early on, like this is like first 326 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 5: couple of days, first couple of weeks, Like other people 327 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 5: that had already got eliminated knew about it, and I 328 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 5: was asked, like what do I know. I was like, well, 329 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 5: I have no idea, but let me find out. So 330 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 5: when I made a phone call to him, he kind 331 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 5: of told me all the information. I was like, oh 332 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 5: my god, these people are coming after me for thinking 333 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 5: we're not like into each other and questioning our relationship 334 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 5: yet like this is going on in the background. So 335 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 5: I kind of looked around. I was like, all right, 336 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 5: well it's probably going to because we didn't know who 337 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 5: the final three couples were going to be. I'm like, 338 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 5: it's probably going to be either Bailey and Jeremy Caden Dale, 339 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 5: Andrew and Alex, or Justin Spencer, So whatever it's going 340 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 5: to be, And I really felt strongly that Justin Spencer 341 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 5: were the strongest couple and most deserving because we're giving 342 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 5: away technically we're at that time giving away half a 343 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 5: million dollars. I didn't want to see someone who was 344 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 5: doing some things in the whether before Paradise as we 345 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 5: got there or whatever, win half a million dollars. I've 346 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 5: been sick because like I wanted to win it. But 347 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 5: so when we came in, I was like, do I 348 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 5: want to have like these small conversations with people like 349 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 5: to the side, because I don't really want to do that, 350 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 5: Like I'd rather just get the information out there. You 351 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 5: guys can decide whether or not you believe it or 352 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 5: not and vote on that. And then like I wanted 353 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 5: to leave, like we were so done with Paradise at 354 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 5: that point to begin with. But it's more so it's 355 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 5: like I'm not afraid of if I'm like pretty direct, 356 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 5: So if I have something to say, like, I'm perfectly 357 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 5: okay standing up there and saying in front of everybody, 358 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 5: I don't need to go. 359 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: In a private room. 360 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 5: And I think people were like, why didn't you pull 361 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 5: like cad and Dale's side and have that conversation. And 362 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 5: the facts of the matter was at that moment, like 363 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 5: there's half a million dollars on the line. If I 364 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 5: tell them, hey, like you have to bring this up, 365 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 5: who knows how they're gonna spin it or downplay it 366 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 5: and then doesn't get the message across everybody else. So 367 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 5: people had a problem with like how I did it. 368 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 5: I also like, at the end of the day, like 369 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 5: if I'm going to say something, I'm perfectly okay saying 370 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 5: in front of everyone, I don't and also want a 371 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 5: TV show if I side conversations, guess what a million 372 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 5: people are gonna watch that on TV. It's gonna become 373 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 5: public information. Anyway, I'd rather just say to the sixteen 374 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 5: people there, and you know, that's kind of how it 375 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 5: went down. 376 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: Looking back, do you do you wish you would have 377 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: done it differently or. 378 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 4: I don't know. 379 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 5: It's tough because like you have like the reaction, and 380 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 5: I still don't think people are hearing like the message 381 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 5: of what I was saying because I didn't lie about that. 382 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 5: It's true. Also, Hannah Brown like broke off her engagement 383 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 5: for way less. I think more people were drawing about 384 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 5: the reaction, and I think that was a theme throughout 385 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 5: a lot of Paradise. Is like if you look at 386 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 5: the Bailey and Jeremy and Brian situation, like people are 387 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 5: reacting to the reaction, not the message itself. Like people 388 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 5: came after Brian for telling Bailey about the SUSI phone 389 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 5: call instead of looking at what Brian. 390 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: Was actually telling Bailey. Why is that you think it's tough? 391 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 5: I think that it's such a like pressure cooker in 392 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 5: this environment where like you, I don't think people loved 393 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 5: Brian to begin with, so like when he stepped a line, 394 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 5: people liked Jeremy and they just like attacked, And a 395 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 5: lot of the times there was all the big mob 396 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 5: mentality across the entire this time across the entire cast, 397 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 5: like once some person had an opinion, everyone else powed on. 398 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 5: Like I didn't feel like a lot of people had 399 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 5: their own like conviction in what was going on in Paradise. 400 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 5: They like to like almost like follow the leader in 401 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 5: a way, but no one was. Else was like trying 402 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 5: to step up and say what they actually thought. And 403 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 5: the same thing happened with like when I went back 404 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,640 Speaker 5: and made that announcement, like you look at all the people, 405 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 5: like why would you say that. It's like, well, like 406 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 5: you're gonna do you want the information because like I think, 407 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 5: like I'm not the moral police. I'm not like they're 408 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 5: here for the right reasons. Guy like he come on 409 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 5: the show for whatever. I do think you have to 410 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 5: cut it off at a certain point, And I just 411 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 5: thought that was like a little bit out of line 412 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 5: in the context of a dating show. So I don't 413 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 5: really regret it. I think like at the end of 414 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 5: the day, like I got my message across. If you 415 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 5: don't like it, that's fine. 416 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: With Pinkberry. 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They are 426 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: just sitting in the seats that you're sitting in, like 427 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: I'm not the man you are, like, meaning like I 428 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: would trivele and be like, I don't want to go. 429 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: I'm so nervous. I don't want to see them. This 430 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: is going to be really awkward. I don't even be 431 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: around it. So what has it been like for you 432 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: too today to sit in the same space as them, 433 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: confront these conversations, but then also be hanging out and 434 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, the lunch room with them. 435 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 4: I think I'll say two points on that. The first 436 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 4: is coming into today. I know my truth, I know 437 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 4: what I lived. And I think when you know the 438 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 4: truth and you're okay with it, what do I have 439 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 4: to worry? 440 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 3: I didn't have any reason to worry. 441 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 4: But also, I think it's a huge test to our characters, 442 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 4: all of us, staling Kat included. 443 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 3: I think that it takes big people to be able 444 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 3: to sit here. 445 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 4: And have these conversations and it's not easy, and yeah, 446 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 4: I think that the easy way out would be avoiding 447 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 4: them and not even approaching the subject or sitting at 448 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: the same lunch table. But I'm really proud of the 449 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 4: way we've all handled it and moved forward. 450 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like it's helpful to like sit there 451 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 5: and like have these conversations hash it out. I feel 452 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 5: like we did that here and like now I feel 453 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 5: a lot better about the situation. And then I did 454 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 5: pride to coming in here because I will say I 455 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 5: did still hold some resentment towards a lot of the 456 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 5: people here, just because truthfully, not the only person that 457 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 5: reached out to me from the show where has been 458 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 5: like Brian and Jeremy. Like that's it. Like I haven't 459 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 5: talked to anybody really soides obviously Alicia. So like coming 460 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 5: in here, like I almost felt like, oh are they 461 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 5: Like like I almost felt like I was walking into 462 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 5: an ambush because I hadn't talk to these people for 463 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 5: so long. But it really wasn't that bad. I thought 464 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 5: it was good to have those conversations. And now, like 465 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 5: I wish like Dale and Cat the best, Like I 466 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 5: truly like I want them to work out. I want 467 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 5: them to to Oh, man, I'm excited to see the 468 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 5: next couple months with them. I think, like it's just 469 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 5: now getting started when you can be public and like 470 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 5: when you start spending more time with one another and 471 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 5: I push them the best. 472 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: I hope they work out. 473 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 5: That's what I'll say. 474 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: You think they will? 475 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 3: Yes? 476 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: Do you think you two ever have a chance of 477 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: working out? I've been trying. 478 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 5: She's just kidding, I will say, like it's it would 479 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 5: be really tough, I think for us, and like what 480 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 5: we foreign relationship to do long distance? So whether or 481 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 5: not our paths cross again, if we're in the same 482 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 5: city or back in Tampa in LA, like I think 483 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 5: we would, I would be open to exploring things again. 484 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 5: But I think like right now, like me being in 485 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 5: Tampa or in La, like we tried it, Like our 486 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 5: communication styles don't mix well with long distance at all. 487 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 5: Like I'm stubborn and she's stubborn and be like, oh, 488 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 5: she didn't text me back when she said to us, 489 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 5: so I'm not going to text her back like stuff 490 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 5: like that, which you know doesn't work long distance. 491 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: We wouldn't. 492 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 5: We don't have that in Tampa, like when we spent 493 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 5: the time together. It's always like, yeah, everything, it felt 494 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 5: like we were still in paradise. So yeah, I think 495 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 5: that's like, you know, we're focusing on our friendship right now, 496 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 5: but if something happens in the future, like we're gonna 497 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 5: we're gonn cross that bridge when we get to it. 498 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's all said. I never say never. 499 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: I never said never, Never say never. That's how we're 500 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: gonna title this podcast. Yeah, guys, thanks for sitting down again. 501 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: Kudos to you for coming here today and confronting it 502 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: and sitting in it. And I do hope there's healing 503 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: from it and revelation from it, and that there is 504 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: a better understanding from it, and that all parties involved 505 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: can move forward in the healthiest and happiest ways for 506 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: all of you. I did think today was in a 507 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: lot of ways therapeutic. It wasn't always pretty, yeah, but 508 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: it got the point across for for so many. I 509 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: wish you the best, Alicia in your endeavors coming up, 510 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: whatever mystery those maybe I think an idea and Sean, 511 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: I hope to go off with you soon. You're looking 512 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: good in the green jacket. 513 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 5: It looks like thank you too, by the way, because 514 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 5: you've always I've always I've listened to you guys, and 515 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 5: you guys, you've always like shot U straight where you 516 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 5: kind of understand things and can can You always had 517 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 5: my back in a way, so I appreciate that one. 518 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: Ashley. It didn't always have my back, so I you 519 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: know what, sometimes it doesn't come off like that. But 520 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: my hope is to never This is my hope as 521 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: a bachelor. Nobody would ever come into that house and 522 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: be upset that they did it. Nothing more. Same thing here. 523 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: I hope you don't come on the Almost Famous podcast 524 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: and go, gosh, dang it. I wish I would have 525 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: never agreed to it. It's it's not the place for that. 526 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 3: So we love talking to you. 527 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you until next time. I've been been. Talk 528 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: to you soon. Guys. 529 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 2: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 530 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.