1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Oh it could welcome here the podcast that happens ship. 2 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: All right, Well St Andrew, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm 3 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: gonna pivot to you to pull us out of this 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: tailspin I've locked. Hello. Hello, what's the seen everyone today? 5 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to go on a bit of a personal meandering, 6 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: I guess on Um, some of the ideas and concepts 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: are just kind of fluting on my head, um, surrounding 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: sustainable city planning and city living. I want to see 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: a lot of these ideas and stuff. Um, I'm just 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: crimp them from like all over the place, and in 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: some cases they are a bit less I would say 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: viable and others. But I do find like the work 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: of for example, lu tech magazine, dot com and um 14 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: and so on to be very inspiring in terms of 15 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: all capabilities, Um, what potential there is an obsolete technologies, 16 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: what the tech solutions exist for issues, and what we 17 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,279 Speaker 1: can do as people to just kind of make living 18 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: in urban sprawl or suburban hell a little bit less hellish. Yeah. 19 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: That is definitely a topic close to my heart as 20 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 1: well as someone who lives in a city. I would 21 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: like cities to be less hellish. Yeah, that seems, and 22 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: I would like suburbs and not exist. So internal more 23 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: on the suburbs. We have to ally with rural America 24 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: and protracted people against the suburbs. Yes, yes, yeah, my my, 25 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: my crank proposal has always been reintroducing Macedons and just 26 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: like just having macedons, just like walking through and destroying buildings, 27 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: because that's that's what the suburbs deserves. Mastadons is in 28 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: the actual animals. Yes, yes, I thought you meant like 29 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: the social media platform. No, no, I think we need 30 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: to clone leopards so that they breed as quickly as 31 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: rabbits and just let them loose. Wasn't Dr Defferend Schmootz 32 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: raised by lepids? Sure? Why not? I would Robertino, who 33 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: doctor ches? No, Okay, let's just let's just let's just 34 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: let's just let's just move on. Okay. I think I'm I'm, 35 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: I think I think we are. We are roughly the 36 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: same in the same age bracket. For television, we watched 37 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: so I'M movies to catch up on. I'm very familiar 38 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: with the Good Doctor. The platypus pilled, very very very platypilled, 39 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: as they say, platipilled. Let's right. So, um, there are 40 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: a lot of aspects of my evil plan to make 41 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: the entire tri state area more sustainable, but I think 42 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: I would want to start with something that tends to 43 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: consume a lot of the energy in cities, and that 44 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: is like heating and cooling. I mean, for me, living 45 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: in a tropical country, heating has never been a consideration. Um. 46 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the coolest it gets isn't like the I 47 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: would say, like eighteen nineteen twenty degrees celsius area. Um, 48 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: And to me, that is like chili. That's like layering 49 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: up kind of thing, because I can't handle that kind 50 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: of cool um, which is kind of wild to me 51 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: that I have a concern moving to kind of I 52 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: don't think it's a handle it. It does, it does get, 53 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: it does get much colder. I mean we when I 54 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: was in Canada, we would have not not uncommonly have 55 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: minus forty celsius weeks. So yeah, yeah, I experienced minus 56 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: degrees before. I don't know, No, it is, Oh, it's fine, 57 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: it's it's not a big deal. You just put on 58 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: an extra pair of socks. You're good to go. Okay, 59 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: So when when it when it hits negative forty degrees fahrenheit. 60 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: You've experienced negative forty degrees It's not like it's not 61 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: like temperatures like negative negative forty. Negative forty fahrenheit is 62 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: the temperature of the surface of bars are a sunny day. 63 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: Negative fairness is the same as negative forty celsius. Oh 64 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: is it they actually converted at that point? Yeah, it's 65 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: like you just yeah, yeah, it's just your hain like 66 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: it's not even cold anymore. Like you just like your 67 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: your face just hurts. It's It's great. Many time, I'm 68 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: going to call out my my, my favorite meme again 69 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: and have negative forty fahrenheit, negative forty selfius celsius clapping 70 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: hands in the middle. Yeah, classics anyway, yes, yea, Honestly, 71 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: I can't even conceive of that kind of temperature. Um 72 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: I am an island boy, so that's how I operate, 73 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: and as an island boy, um I had to say that. 74 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: Like heat is very very uncomfortable. Humidic humid heat is 75 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: even more uncomfortable. Dry heat is also extremely uncomfortable. When 76 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: you have a hot day combined with like sahara and 77 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: dust in the air and no clouds in the sky. 78 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: It is truly, truly miserable. I can't imagine, um, what 79 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: life in a city would be like if um, you know, 80 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: these sort of temperatures continue to climb as they are climbing, um, 81 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: as we're seeing you know, global average temperatures rising by 82 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: you know, a half degree or a degree or two 83 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: degrees celsie. That's just ridiculous, let alone three or four 84 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: degrees celsius increase, especially compounded with the fact that in 85 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: a city, there's this thing called the urban heat island effect, 86 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: So cities are ten degrees c it's hotter than the 87 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 1: surrounding countryside. And the reasons for the other numerous. You know, 88 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: you have like vehicles emitting heat constantly, you have air 89 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: conditioners camping heat into the air. You have concrete covering 90 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: every surface just like absorbing and radiating the sun's rays. 91 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: And you have these urban canyons between tall buildings to 92 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: prevent heat from escaping from and to keep it at 93 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: the sort of street level. It's miserable, right, And the 94 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: typical solutions, the individual solutions, the short term solutions, they 95 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: just make the situation worse because, I mean, when you're 96 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: feeling hot, I mean I was just feeling hot just now, 97 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: and I feel on the e C. Right when you're 98 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: feeling hot, you know you're doing on the e C. 99 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: Or you put on a fan, but not to wash 100 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: a fan. But the e C continues and fuels this 101 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: vicious cycle of heating the outdoors to cool the indoors, 102 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: making experience spaces even more uncomfortable. So you end up 103 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: with air conditioning use accounting for like one five of 104 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: global energy electricity usage of building related global electricity usage. 105 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: And do you end up with the thing that's supposed 106 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: to be cooling us heating things even more because you know, 107 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: as developing countries, you know they have access to one 108 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: and more air conditioning, especially and you know toveloping countries 109 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: and to be in the hotter side of the world. Um, 110 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, the use of the air condition just continues 111 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: to skyrocket. And um the International Energy Agency actually estimated 112 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: that it would take the amounts of energy needed to 113 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: cool buildings will triple by twenty fift which is equivalent 114 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: to the current elecacy demand in the US and Germany combined. 115 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: So on top of all that, you will have an 116 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: issue of like heat and heat deaths, right, the deaths 117 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: and injuries caused by heat. I mean, heat stroke is 118 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: becoming more and more of an issue in cities, especially 119 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: when you know temperatures reach above twenty five degrees celsius. 120 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: People you know, manual labels, people who work outside, people 121 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: who just have to move around a lot, you know, 122 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: experience the symptom the symptoms of heat stroke whenever there 123 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: is like the spike in temperature, right and then even 124 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, if you don't experience like a heat stroke, 125 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: heat is exhausting. It is energy draining, is utterly sapping, 126 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: and it requires a lot out of your body to 127 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: keep you cool and prevent you from like eating. And surprisingly, 128 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: this overheating is you is not just like you know, 129 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: a tropical issue or like a hot country is issue, 130 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: like places like Moscow had like an asthmating eleven thod 131 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: people die due to heat wave in twenty ten. And 132 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: so with all these heat waves and stuff, we need 133 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: to like figure out what to do with all these 134 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: giant concrete buildings. I mean, and for some people, like 135 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: eco brutalism is you know, wow, so cool to me personally, 136 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: and this is just my subjective opinion. I find it 137 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: ugly and disgusting and I hated, but you know each 138 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: soon right. Brutalism discourse, I mean, what what do you 139 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: all think of rutalism. I think Yugoslavia and brutalism was cool. 140 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: Every other kind of brutalism is just like my opinions 141 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: on brutalism boiled down to thinking the game control is fun. 142 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: I have stayed in a Yugoslavian brutalist architecture hotel, which 143 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: was one of the weirdest nights of my life because 144 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: it was clearly made. It was like one of these 145 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: gigantic like people's hotels that was meant to provide everyone 146 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: with vacations, and so there's like twenty thousand rooms and 147 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: we were like the only three people there. So there 148 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: was one person at the desk, and it's just favern 149 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: of empty rooms such this. Everything felt like a liminal space. 150 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: It was. It was very odd. It can be, it 151 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: can be very very uncanny. It wasn't like bad, it 152 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: was like reasonably well constructed. It was just deeply strange. 153 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's whet to spend the night. I think 154 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: that's what makes the game control so cool, is that, Yeah, 155 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: it plays with those uncanny feelings on brutalism while still 156 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: being like very cool, like it's still is the game 157 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: that Jacob Keller made a video. Vote right, yes he 158 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: made a he he didn't make a video like I 159 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: watched that recently. This is like the sort of oldest 160 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: house kind of thing, right right, right right? Yeah, yeah, 161 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to go that game because I mean that's 162 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: what that's kind of like my issue a brutalism. It 163 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: feels like a boss level in a video game, like 164 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: you have to go through each level clear what's all 165 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: dominians and it gets it Tot and Peter the boss. 166 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: It's kind of unsettling, yes, and then like eism is 167 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: just like oh what if trees tres Yeah, and it's 168 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: like okay cool. But I mean like one of my 169 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: many occupations and I still maintain it seasonally. Um. I 170 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: was a power washer and I hate moss, and so 171 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: to see moss all over buildings just really bothers me, 172 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: Like I just want to get, you know, my spring 173 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: gun and just clear it all off. Um, and especially 174 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: in like this climate, moss is like a very significant issue. 175 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: So that that makes sense, you know. Yeah, one of 176 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: my pet peeves among many. So I mean there's many 177 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: different ways we could combat the when heat island effects 178 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: um that don't involve equo brutalism. And they can also 179 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: help to facility, you know, creating more attractive spaces to 180 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: live and to play. You know. UM. Obviously the solution 181 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: isn't just like those every building that ever been built 182 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: and make it more sustainable, you know, with vernacular materials 183 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: and stuff. So of course new buildings should be built 184 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: with those principles in mind. UM. But you know it's 185 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: not practical to us even sustainable to destroy all the 186 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: buildings we've already built and rebuild them. You know, the 187 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: best thing we can do is try to mitigate and 188 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: adapt with what we already have. UM. Greenery and I 189 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: know it's just roasting eco brutalism just trap slack trees 190 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: and everything is an important part in that, right because 191 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: you know it called it causes evapple transporation, which is 192 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: like where what's evaporates and plants leaves and cools the temperature. Um. 193 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: You know, it also improve people's like psychological well being, um. 194 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: And they just the nice look at um then I 195 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: look at the keep things cool. In fact, they could 196 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: help cause temperatures to drop by like two to three 197 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: degrees celsius in the like the surrounding area. I think 198 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: people certainly was interpreted, but like this, this is one 199 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: of the big things you can see with with racism 200 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: in the U s. Where like you can literally like 201 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: you can literally track racial device in a lot of 202 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: American cities by the by the temperature because like people 203 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: places where not why people live just don't have trees. 204 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: And you know this this has like a just this 205 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: sort of like cascading series of environmental and social effects 206 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: which are a disaster and environmental racism, yeah, yes, released stock. Honestly, 207 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: if you look at the heat maps with some of 208 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: these cities and you could literally see, you know, where 209 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: poor black folks live. You know, you can see the 210 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: places with less trees, the places next to factories with 211 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: like talks like you're on a off and waste and 212 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. It's just right there and it sucks, 213 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: which is why, of course, part of any sort of 214 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: efforts to improve cities and make things more sustainable would involve, 215 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, social justice and would involve responding to an 216 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: addressing the compounding effects of like environmental racism over the 217 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: past several decades. So you know, and part of the 218 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: issue again trying things back to environmental racism, is that 219 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the climate change policies that you know, 220 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: ostensibly amend to fever, like high density urban and smart 221 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: growth you know, like sustainable blocks and that kind of thing, 222 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: they are not conceived or implemented in a way that 223 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: involves the people being acted by them. You know. In fact, 224 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: a lot of these like sort of green um projects 225 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: raise the cost of food, energy, water, transport, housing for 226 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: people in the area. You know, they create these sorts 227 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: of like gentrified neighborhoods essentially whether the original inhabitants can 228 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: no longer afford to live there. So if we wants 229 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: to develop like a sustainable city or resiliencity, sustainable obvious 230 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: again neighborhood, it requires social justice, It requires you know, equity, 231 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: and you know, like the involvement of all affected through 232 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, consensus or democracy. UM just really shape the 233 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: future that you know, they will be experiencing because they 234 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: the ones being affected by it. There a lot of 235 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: other ways as well to heap proof as it were 236 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: a city, UM reflective roofs and roads UM can also 237 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: helped reduce the absorptive powers of UM solar radiation by 238 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: concrete and asphalt. So in fact, in some cities like 239 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: l A and in New York, there's this wide reflective 240 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: coating that UM has been implemented in some five thousand 241 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: meters square of roof space that saves an estimated two 242 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: thousand two tons of CEO two per year from cooling emissions. 243 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: I mean, all it takes really is just like that 244 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: sort of white reflective code, and it saves dividends in 245 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: the long run. UM NASA had done some research on 246 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: this and it demonstra e to the results demonstrated that 247 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: a white roof could be twenty three degrees celsius or 248 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: forty two degrees fahrenheit cooler than a typical black roof 249 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: UM on a hot New York somebody UM and in 250 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: places where like yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, it's kind 251 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: of like glossed the river. That is crazy, that is 252 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely And then cities where like we're like of 253 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: the land area is like asphalt. You can imagine how 254 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: that sort of UM, that sort of reflective ceilon can 255 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: impact UM the cooling or the heating of the area water. 256 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: Of course, there's another like important aspect of cooling cities 257 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: um in and louse, which was like okay, the Muslim 258 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: kingdom in Gabrian Peninsula in the fourteenth century. UM, they 259 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: used to have these sort of like courtyards with pools 260 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: and fountains. They would stimulate water evaporation and cool the air, 261 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: and so like cities today, you know, take some hints 262 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: from that. You know, you have ponds and pools and 263 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: fountains and missing systems and stuff that can sort of 264 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: chill things out. I mean we see that being UM 265 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: implemented in China, where you have like, for example, UM 266 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: water misteres at like bus stops, which can chill the 267 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: air and you know, cool passengers as they wait. UM. 268 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: And they found actually that adding water features and like 269 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: cool coatings reduces the cooling requirements of an area by 270 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: twenty nine tot and also lowers the overall averaging at 271 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: temperature by one point five degrees celsius. So it's like, 272 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: honestly wild, like these little things can have such a 273 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: major impact on temperature. Speaking of like old methods of cooling, UM, 274 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: ancient methods of cooling, there's this Middle Eastern shading device 275 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: quality Mastra bil um or I think it's Mastra ba 276 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: and It's basically an architectural element that is usually built 277 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: by um wooden lattice work and sometimes stay in the glass. 278 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: It's used to like catch and cool the wind through 279 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: like having these basins of water in them. Is I mean, 280 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: so I could try to describe it. It's like a 281 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: window jutting out of a building UM with sort of 282 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: decorated by lattice work, with jars and basins of water 283 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: placed within them to let the wind pasture. As the 284 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: wind is passing through, it's caused an evaporative cooling, then 285 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: it chills out the interior. And so these mastra beas UM. 286 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: They've been used since the Middle Ages by you know, 287 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: the Coptic churches of Egypt and the Art Deco movement 288 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: in Iraq, and and by you know the architecture um 289 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: in bad Dad as well. And so these sort of 290 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: construction methods, while they tend to be developed for you know, 291 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: individual homes or individual buildings, UM, they can in fact 292 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: be implemented um with even the aesthetics of Islamic geometry 293 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: to help to cool a building and reduce its overall 294 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: seor twe mission MH. So I've been talking about heats 295 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: in and cooling and stuff for a while now, and 296 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: speaking of much, probably too amazing. It's seen off my 297 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: ec rather though, I think I heard either either it 298 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: was you, Andrew or maybe it was Robert talking about 299 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: the ceramic kind of cooling idea. Yeah, I mean that's 300 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: the thing. And like the part of the American Southwest, 301 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: like New Mexico, there's a lot of like swamp coolers 302 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: that are basically working, right, Yeah, so I'm cool, So 303 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: I'm cool those It only works in certain climates, right, 304 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: Like you wouldn't really, I don't know, because it's if 305 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,239 Speaker 1: it's too it's too humid, it's not gonna work. You're 306 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: just gonna Yeah. I think there's kind of a broader 307 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: thing there architecturally, which is that like we have a 308 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: lot of sort of like like we we've we've lost 309 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: still a lot of in the way we do architecture. 310 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: We've lost a lot of the sort of like building 311 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: we've we've lost a lot of sort of building techniques 312 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: adapted to specific locations. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And like that's 313 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: something that has to be reversed like immediately, because like 314 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: our our current model of building houses, that of oil 315 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: is going to get us all killed really what's what's 316 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: the problem there? What's wrong? What's that? I mean and 317 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: tough with that, right, not just vernacular architecture, but vernacular clothing. 318 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean it's I mean as again, so when lire 319 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: in a tropical country, I see it for myself, Like 320 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: working people going to work. We're in like full long 321 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: sleeve dress shoots and long long dress pans and you know, 322 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: like formal shoes and it's honestly up you know sometimes 323 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: like they have the whole tie like you pull up 324 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: and everything. It's not it's entirely based on like European 325 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: standards of professionalism, and um, it needs to be abolished. 326 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: Abolish dress codes all right, abolished like this whole idea 327 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: that you know, we have to dress this particular way, um, 328 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: despite you know, the temperature, because it's more professional or 329 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: whatever for professionalism. Honestly, yeah, we we have we have 330 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,959 Speaker 1: podcasting or in the vanguard of this, but we need 331 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 1: help to destroy professionalism once and for all. Yeah yeah, yeah, 332 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: show up to work, can you be then suit? Um? 333 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, like vernacular buildings as well. You know obviously 334 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: you had in in Africa, in different parts of Africa, 335 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: you would have different structures that will particularly ticult. You know, 336 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: if you're in a in a trap coal reinforest environment, 337 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: you would have a billing a steeler to you know, 338 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: keeping mosquitoes out and maintaining a certain temperature within and 339 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: maintaining comfort as well within or you know, in cooler 340 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: regions you would have um, certain construction that would keep 341 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: heats within the building and prevent um excessive discomfort you know. Um. 342 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: And they were also of course, like when it comes 343 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: to like cooler areas, you will also expected to sort 344 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: of keep yourself warm as well as you know, keep 345 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: your building. Woman. In fact, it was more still keeping 346 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: yourself personally warm, so keeping yourself lay it up even 347 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: when you're indoors. And of course that's kind of lost 348 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: today people are expected to just you know, turn on 349 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: the heater and vibe for the months of winter. But 350 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: it isn't sustainable. A lot of things we enjoy today unsustainable. 351 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: Keeps coming back to that, it yeah, speaking of things 352 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: that we enjoy that are not at all sustainable, how 353 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: about cause get rid of cause? Please get rid of cause. 354 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: I mean, cause are very convenient in terms of like 355 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: if you want to get somewhere very specific, um, you know, 356 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: if there's a place you want to go, I'm the 357 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: one you need to know. I'm a car. I'm a car. 358 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: I'm a car. You know kind of thing. But my 359 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: little musical interview there, thank you for appreciating it. But ultimately, 360 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: like they honestly aren't sustainable. They honestly on something that 361 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: we can maintain in the nail even well potentially in 362 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,959 Speaker 1: the neighbors where the far future. I mean, people are 363 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: already know the problems with gascars, really know my gascars 364 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: are bad. But you know, things just just things are 365 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 1: just sort of pivoted towards electric cars. And who electric cars, 366 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: Let's get a bunch of electric cars. Who But electric 367 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: cars aren't better. I mean, the materials they require, the 368 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: energy they require, it's quite frankly not sustainable in the 369 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: long run, and it just lengthens the amount of time 370 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: that we spend dependence on cause for shorts and long 371 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: distance travel. And especially how in the States we've built 372 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: our cities around the idea of a car, which has 373 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: expanded the urban terrain unnecessarily. And if you look at 374 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: like all the space taken up like highways and overpasses, 375 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: and how much of just like urban space has taken 376 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: up but just been built around the idea of the car. 377 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: It really kind of makes the whole idea of a 378 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: city so much less useful. It's it's really it's really frustrating, 379 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: and I think it's also working at the cars are 380 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: so unbelievably dangerous. Yea, yeah, yeah, we're very much used 381 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 1: to like having these like death machines driving around at 382 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: all times, and that that makes for like a very 383 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: um cool like series of metal band song names or whatever. 384 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: But the death statistics on funny when it comes to cause. No, 385 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: and like the average transport transportation time having cars has 386 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: not actually decreased, Like the amount of time it takes 387 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: to get from place to place based on like where 388 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: you live in your city has not actually decreased because 389 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: now everything has just spread further apart. So a hundred 390 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: years ago would take you know, like a fifteen minute 391 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: trek to get to like you know, the market or something, 392 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: it can take often times longer, especially if you're driving 393 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: in like rush hour traffic to get just just just 394 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: like a couple of miles, where even in some cases 395 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: a decent job gets you there faster. Um, just because 396 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: of how we've just designed the cities all around these 397 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: rolling metal death cages. Um. Yeah, it's not it's it's 398 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: not great. It's one of the reasons I don't current 399 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: they have a car. Yeah, and that's kind of that's 400 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: something that's shocking to a lot of people when I 401 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: tell them that, really, I have no intention, if for 402 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: buying a car, of ever owning a car. It's not 403 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: something that I want. And I mean I live relatively 404 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: close to like some of the major transport um arteries 405 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: of the country, and you know, try Not has like 406 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: this unique ish transportation system public transportation systems. So we 407 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: have these privately owned maxi taxis that um they're like 408 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: vans with seats in the back um and you know, 409 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: you could you just kind of jump in um depending 410 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: on where they're going with route are taken. Um. And 411 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: they're they're convenient enough for me and for my purposes, 412 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: so I just you know, I go where I need 413 00:29:54,840 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: to go um with them. But they're also gas guzzling 414 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: in efficient machines. I mean, they're better than you know, 415 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: all those people driving cars. I mean as an island, 416 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know why we're so obsessed 417 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: with having more and more cars in the road, UM, 418 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, they still aren't 419 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: the best in terms of sustainability and in terms of viable, reliable, 420 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: sustainable transport. UM. We also have like personal taxis as well, 421 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: but they have the same problems as regular taxis. And 422 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: what's frustrating is that we used to have a train 423 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: line UM that went along the entire east west corridor 424 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: of the country, and that's where most of the people 425 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: internet along the East West corridor UM, but that was 426 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: destroyed in the nineties sixties, I think to make way 427 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: for highways and a priority bus route. So instead of 428 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: having a nice, convenient, cute little tree and that we 429 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: could seek to go from place to place, you have 430 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: to rely on buses and maxis and taxis. And cause, yeah, 431 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: that is quite that's not cool, that is quite not good. 432 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: Quite quite grim because we need to reconfigure. Seriously, I 433 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: would love for them to bring back trains, so he 434 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: was to take a train you don't have to rely 435 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: on I mean, government bureaucracy makes all things unreliable, but 436 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: I think a train would have been slightly more reliable 437 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: than a bus, very much on the pro train on 438 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: the on the pro train train, a fewer, a few fewer, 439 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: fewer moments more happy than writing the Portland's Max line 440 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 1: and streetcar in a no place costume. It's very it's 441 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: it's very fun. I think also, like another thing about 442 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: about cars, right, this is just it's just just on 443 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: a very pure political level, like cars is the thing 444 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: that allowed suburbs to exist, and the existence of suburbs 445 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: has produced just generation upon generation of like frothing reactionaries 446 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: who are the source of like enormous percentages of the 447 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: world's problems. And so if you get rid of those places, 448 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: you produce less of them. Yeah, which is just a 449 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: political benefit for anyone who wants to not die exactly exactly. 450 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't think about it because theres already 451 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: so many things to think about. But if you actually 452 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: sat down and pondered the death tool of like cause, 453 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: um we really and really brought to the forefront and 454 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: really need it less of a necessity, I think one 455 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: more people would be open to the idea of rejecting cause, 456 00:32:53,680 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: to keeping them as at most benign a novelty UM 457 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: that maybe one or two exists in the entire community, 458 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: UM for use if needs be. UM, But otherwise, I 459 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: I don't see how each and every person in the 460 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: world owning their own car, is that all the best 461 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: way to go. Also, cause are kind of ugly to me. Yeah, 462 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: we really didn't design them to look cool, which just 463 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: it's I mean, there's some cars that look kind of cool, 464 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: like some of the more classic ones. But and that's 465 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: partly a right. They're getting uglier to me. And they're 466 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: also getting larger, you know, like stuff people like. They're 467 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: raising their grills more and more so, like you're basically 468 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: a pedestrian killing machine. We've effectively undone most of the 469 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: benefits of making cars for for passengers by making them 470 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: much more dangerous for pedestrians, which is entirely a marketing choice. 471 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: Like if you like, the fucking trucks they were making 472 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: twenty five years ago are just as useful, um and 473 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases more useful for like practical 474 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: farm work, for hauling and whatnot than the trucks they're 475 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,720 Speaker 1: making today. They haven't meaningfully gotten better, They've just gotten 476 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: a lot larger for no real reason other than it 477 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: makes people feel like big men. Well, and then you 478 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: get these fun you get these fun you can you 479 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: can look at the marketing people like explicitly talking about 480 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: how like yeah, like they like basically explicitly playing into 481 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: the fantasy of running over protesters and it's it's great, 482 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: it's yeah, So get rid of cars and you won't 483 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: have to deal with that. But Chris, how is that sustainable? 484 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: Well viable? M good question? Mhmm. Introducing super blocks, Oh yes, 485 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: super superblocks are basically UM neighborhood of nine blocks. So 486 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 1: I don't think they have to be I think the 487 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: philosophy and ideas behind super blocks could be implemented suit 488 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: different UM cities of different histories and different layouts, especially 489 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: localized especially such like localized street cars within each city block, 490 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: within within each superblock like system exactly So, just to 491 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: clarify the idea, super blocks are basically UM, you know, 492 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: neighborhoods of nine blocks where traffic is restricted to the 493 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: roads on the outside of the block, which means that 494 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: the interior of the super blocks are entirely walkable. That, 495 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: combined with the idea of a superblock being um mixed use, 496 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: means that people are mostly able to access their basic 497 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: necessities within their city block. Are you able to like, 498 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: spend more time, have more open space, to spend more 499 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: time to meet with people, to talk to do do 500 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,760 Speaker 1: activities to you do have some relief from noise pollution 501 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: and air pollution from vehicles, and to really like connects 502 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: people with the space they're living in and make the 503 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: space they're living and more livable. I mean, I don't 504 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: live smack tub in the middle of like urban urban town, 505 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 1: but I could imagine if people living in like New 506 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: York or whatever, and you can't exactly step out of 507 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 1: the apartment and play in the road on a typical day, 508 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: if you have kids or whatever, you know, they can't 509 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: exactly just go run outside. Um, you will die exactly, 510 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: exactly exactly. And I mean people complaining about like, oh kids, 511 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: let's do some go outside as much? But I mean 512 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: look at outside, you know, is look at what look 513 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: at what has been created? Um, and reflect on that. 514 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean part of the assuer is um the way 515 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: social media algorithms are designed to suck people into like 516 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 1: cycles of addiction. But that's a whole another topic, right, Um, 517 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, more people will be 518 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: willing to be able to pull themselves out to that 519 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: sort of harmful algorithmic. Hell, if there was an outside 520 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: pull themselves out too, you know. But honestly, cities, especially 521 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: a notorious for like not having places you can be 522 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 1: where you don't have to spend money, and that sucks. 523 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: So I think, um, super blocks being places where you know, 524 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: libraries and um place so people can eat spacess it 525 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: does seem to be missing or ignoring the what we're 526 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: gonna lose with super blocks, which is how how am 527 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: I gonna roll down the streets smoking indow sipping on 528 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 1: gin and juice if I'm not allowed to drive within 529 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: my block? Wow? I think we can wear I think 530 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,280 Speaker 1: I think you could just get a bike? Who's cruising 531 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: all the bicycle? Have you tried smoking indow sipping on 532 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: gin and juice while riding a bicycle. It's it's impossible 533 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: get a coup anything as possible as a snoop dogg eraser. No. 534 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: But the the idea of having like community gardens, community 535 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: like kitchens, like a maker spaces, libraries, all these within 536 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: like this super block framework, you know, like green spaces, 537 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: it does make actual urban city living to seem attractive 538 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: and not like you're just living in nested concrete boxes. Yeah, 539 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: I mean people like because that's where everything's happening, right, 540 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, you you want people to take part in 541 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 1: the things that are happening, but the places aren't livable. Yeah, 542 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: you have the table that will continue to complain about 543 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: until the end of time, which the table in Chicago 544 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: Chinatown that threatens to arrest you for sitting at it. 545 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:19,359 Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, like the hostility of this goes back 546 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: to like racism because of course everyone does. Everything does. 547 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: But you know a lot of these loitering laws and 548 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: stuff which she designed to target black people and to 549 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: target you know, poor people, um like vagrancy laws and 550 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, just hostile people's existence, and that 551 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 1: gets into like hostile architecture and that sort of thing. 552 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: But I think with these puple blocks, you know, we 553 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: open up our spaces to make them welcoming to human existence, 554 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 1: spaces that are not built around cars, built around commutes, 555 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 1: built around week And this obviously is a transformation that 556 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: requires more than just you know, vote for so and 557 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: so and make this a degree and kind of thing. 558 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: You need, you need something more substantial than that. You know, 559 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: within these super blocks as well, you're you're able to 560 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: take stock of how your block or whatever you have 561 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: a better mental sense of um community and able to 562 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,399 Speaker 1: take about a sense of even things like how your 563 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: block can communally sustain themselves and you know, reduce waste 564 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 1: and all these different things. This in conjunction with struggle 565 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: against capitalism in the state. But you know that is implied. 566 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: This is you know, m this is the show. This 567 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: is it could happen here. I don't know if you 568 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: expect and like electoralism, but that's not really what we 569 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: do around here. I mean the benefits to the sort 570 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,720 Speaker 1: of like super blocks, you know, these fifteen minutes zones 571 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: so people can walk within fifteen minutes to get the essentials. 572 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: The benefits are innumerable. You know, that's the equality, less noise, 573 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: healthy lifestyle, mental health boost. But the issue is without 574 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: a combination of you know, these projects and these activities 575 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:31,280 Speaker 1: with like anti capitalism and anti statism, it's it's tends 576 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: to lend itself towards gentrification. And we've seen that in Spain, 577 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: which is where UM, some of these super blocks have 578 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: been implemented. UM they've created like these locations are obviously 579 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: more desirable because who doesn't want to live in a 580 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: superblock where you know, you actually have a sense of 581 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: community because we're all desperate for that UM and at 582 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: least an increase in property demand, higher prices, higher rent 583 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: It basically creates these pockets of unaffordable neighborhoods, displacing local 584 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: rest done. So you have to get into the fight 585 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: against gentrification in order to make this you know, idea viable. 586 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: The last thing that I want to get into really 587 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: is as convention UM community gardens. I want to talk 588 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,399 Speaker 1: about urban farming because that is crucial. I mean, part 589 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: of what UM makes cities cities in all cases is 590 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 1: the fact that they imports all their food. Right they 591 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: have the urban rural divide that you know delineates the 592 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: two areas UM. But considering the transportation costs, the energy costs, 593 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: all those things that compound UM two sustain a city, 594 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 1: a city's food needs, we have to look to ways 595 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: that we can sustain cities and sustain neighborhoods within cities 596 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: UM within themselves. Before I continue, I just want to 597 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: point out that the future of urban farming is not 598 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: in vertical farms. UM. They look very cool, you know, 599 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,720 Speaker 1: like those tall kind of like pillars of like letters 600 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: or whatever, growing out sort of things, but the land 601 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 1: that they save is usually canceled out by the land 602 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: they need to produce the energy to power them, like 603 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:48,320 Speaker 1: they're very energy intensive UM spaces. So until that issue 604 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 1: is resolved, and I don't know if it will be 605 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: considering you know how the energy requirements are just sort 606 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,239 Speaker 1: of built into the vertical the concentration of energy requirements 607 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: built in sort of into the vertical farming design. Um, 608 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:08,439 Speaker 1: we have to look to more practical methods. Landownership tends 609 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,800 Speaker 1: to be a major hurdle UM when it comes to 610 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: organizing community gardens and maintaining community gardens UM. I mean, 611 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,359 Speaker 1: like folks like Black Futures Farm, Oakland Avenue Urban Farm, 612 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: and the Victory Garden Initiative. They even working to like 613 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: provide fresh produce to those in need, especially in urban 614 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,400 Speaker 1: food deserts. But in a lot of these projects, they 615 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,439 Speaker 1: go in good for some years and then the city 616 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 1: suddenly spins around It's like we need this land for development, 617 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: so they just snatch it up, and you know, those 618 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:46,399 Speaker 1: years of efforts just basically put on the dream. UM. 619 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 1: Community land trusts have been put forward as a potential 620 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: um solution to that issue. But like a lot of 621 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: these things I mean it's a good band aid, I 622 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: would say, but it's not necessarily marking the end of capitalism. 623 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,080 Speaker 1: Another issue that there is with the whole urban farming 624 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,879 Speaker 1: thing is that the culture that develops around them while 625 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: they provide education and community and connection for people within them, 626 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:29,839 Speaker 1: and that is extremely valuable. I think some organizers fall 627 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,279 Speaker 1: into this habit of treating, of creating this sort of 628 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:41,800 Speaker 1: like shared delusion around community gardens, you know, claiming to 629 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: be sort of feeding the people couldn't could And what 630 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,880 Speaker 1: al really brought this to my attention was Inhabits Territories 631 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 1: newsletter had an article on it last year, I think, 632 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 1: on you know, urban community gardens, and it was written 633 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,839 Speaker 1: by Gibriel I've seen, the co founder of at plan, 634 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: to which I find to be a very very creative name, 635 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,719 Speaker 1: basically asked the question are we really feeding ourselves? I mean, 636 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,000 Speaker 1: these local food initiatives, they do produce food that people eat, 637 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,720 Speaker 1: But it can be a bit harmful to be overly 638 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:25,840 Speaker 1: optimistic about our food autonomy at this stage, especially considering 639 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: how reliant we still are on big agriculture. You know, 640 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:37,840 Speaker 1: like yes we are producing you know, organic nutritionally, this 641 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,800 Speaker 1: dense crops and stuff, and that's great, that's helping people. 642 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 1: But you know, oftentimes it usually just means that, you know, 643 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: the people might be getting participants. I'm be getting like 644 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,399 Speaker 1: a salad or you know, a couple to me too, 645 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,760 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily they are cutting down their grocery build 646 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: in a sustainable long term way. Because I mean, if 647 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: you've tried, God and you know that, like when you 648 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: work here with a limited space, you know, you grow 649 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,160 Speaker 1: your food set it to me too, is it means 650 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,840 Speaker 1: it was a cool but they don't last forever, you know, 651 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 1: and you have to wait until the next harvest to 652 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,600 Speaker 1: get more. To me too, or whatever the case may be. 653 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 1: Same for like letters or whatever. It's kinda rough, you know, 654 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 1: it doesn't It helps for like a meal or maybe two, 655 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: depending on like the living situation, but it doesn't meaningfully 656 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:36,920 Speaker 1: cut into our reliance on groceries and you know, food imports. Yeah, 657 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 1: it definitely takes a bit to get to that point. 658 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: And you have to do it with a combination of 659 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: like food preservation and like canning, um and like you know, 660 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 1: like jarring and a whole bunch of other stuff to 661 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,279 Speaker 1: actually make that a worthwhile endeavor. As opposed to just 662 00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 1: making like great, I spent three months making these tomatoes. 663 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 1: Now they're ready for one meal and then they're all gone. 664 00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,400 Speaker 1: It would be like one cell. Yeah. Yeah, you do 665 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,719 Speaker 1: have to really kind of figure out how to grow 666 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,760 Speaker 1: enough to keep enough ready to be harvested for jarring 667 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 1: and canning for future use um, and make sure like 668 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,320 Speaker 1: you're you know, harvesting them when they are ready so 669 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: that you can you know, you don't lose stuff, and 670 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 1: that you have like you know, an ongoing, ongoing process 671 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,880 Speaker 1: of like preserving the fit that you do grow for 672 00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,440 Speaker 1: later um as well. So you can definitely take a 673 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,880 Speaker 1: lot a lot more like mental effort and planning than 674 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,879 Speaker 1: just you know, planting it and then you know, using 675 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: it and cooking it when it's when it's all ready. Yeah, 676 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,040 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of energy and self is put 677 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,920 Speaker 1: into growing things like greens and roots and fruit and 678 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 1: vegetables and the healthy you know, they have the vits, 679 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,800 Speaker 1: wins and micro nutrients. But you know, people still need meat, dairy, eggs, 680 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 1: you know protein, yeah, heavy high calorie dense stuff you 681 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,600 Speaker 1: know like potitoos and other starches like a really holy 682 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: bouloofu wheats and that kind of thing and that just 683 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,480 Speaker 1: and being grown right now. You know, wheat and rice 684 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 1: and soy and nuts and corn and sugar, these staples 685 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,720 Speaker 1: and stuff don't tend to be produced by these community 686 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:18,880 Speaker 1: gardens and by these garden plots. Not many many, not 687 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 1: many legume patches at your local community garden. Yeah yeah, yeah, 688 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Like I'm in the process of grin um 689 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:34,719 Speaker 1: some pigeon piers right now, and they are taking a 690 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,359 Speaker 1: very long while. And what I realize is that, um, 691 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I just plan to them, so I'm being 692 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:47,799 Speaker 1: a bit impatient. But what I realized is that when 693 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 1: they do growth, and I've seen you know, some much 694 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: your pigeon peach trees and stuff, I know how big 695 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,040 Speaker 1: they tend to grow by time harvest rules around. You know, 696 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,880 Speaker 1: you get all those different pods, and you you know, 697 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: you put in the work, you put you pick all 698 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,200 Speaker 1: the pods, and you pry open the pods, and you know, 699 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,400 Speaker 1: you put in some more alliteration into the sentence, and 700 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,560 Speaker 1: you know, you get those peas out. Once those peas 701 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 1: out to the pod and you put them in a pot, 702 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:21,200 Speaker 1: they're not potent enough to who would you over for 703 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,160 Speaker 1: more than one meal? You know, like you pick like 704 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,759 Speaker 1: a trees worth of peas in a pod, and you 705 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:34,319 Speaker 1: know that's like sometimes like half of a meal. And really, 706 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,319 Speaker 1: honestly respect to the people who are producing all our 707 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 1: food right now, because I can't imagine having to be 708 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,719 Speaker 1: shelling peas all the time. It's kind of ridiculous. I 709 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,680 Speaker 1: mean it can be fun, but I can't imagine doing 710 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,000 Speaker 1: it all day. I mean, workers work, right, it's gonna 711 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 1: yea work as hell. We know this. But yeah, so 712 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,480 Speaker 1: I mean community gardens they're good. You know, they have education, 713 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:04,840 Speaker 1: they build community, provide outdoor activity and stuff. But you know, 714 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: I think what comunity gardens, urban gardens and stuff need 715 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:13,560 Speaker 1: to do is find ways to um and this this 716 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,640 Speaker 1: isn't a disparate The work has been done, you know, 717 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 1: like massive support. I'm doing that myself kind of thing. 718 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,480 Speaker 1: But we've got to, like, as the article argues, we 719 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,759 Speaker 1: can't get caught up in the fluffing up of the 720 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: reality for marketing purposes. You know, we need to look 721 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: for ways that can actually um feed ourselves. That means 722 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:41,399 Speaker 1: getting into caloric foods, that means um like like dried beans, potatoes, 723 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 1: fruit trees, that kind of thing, grains, nuts, all that jazz, 724 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:52,160 Speaker 1: and also connecting with farms outside of the city, you know, 725 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,239 Speaker 1: local farms outside of the immediate urban landscape, seeing what 726 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 1: cooperatives be developed that can work aid each other mutually 727 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:15,840 Speaker 1: to build more potent capacity for food. What's on me? So, 728 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,920 Speaker 1: I mean, get in touch with the soil, you know, 729 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:25,200 Speaker 1: get this sign your face, but also think about what 730 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,560 Speaker 1: more we can do to sort of take this to 731 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:36,520 Speaker 1: the next level. And yeah, that is um, that is 732 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:42,400 Speaker 1: what I believe could in fact happen here. This has 733 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 1: happened here. Good. Yeah, it's nice to have a positive 734 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 1: one of these. Yeah, we should do that more often. 735 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,640 Speaker 1: If all, if only we had the power power. Well, 736 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 1: come back tomorrow when we'll be talking about another bad 737 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:04,959 Speaker 1: thing and then to deal with your thoughts about it. O. Wow, 738 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,440 Speaker 1: we we try, we try, We do try. This is 739 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,640 Speaker 1: us trying well, this is us having st Andrew try. 740 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,880 Speaker 1: You're welcome, Thank you, thank you very much. This is 741 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 1: a topic I wanted to discuss for a long time 742 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: in terms of beause we get a lot of people 743 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,360 Speaker 1: talking about it like yeah, how you know and whatever, 744 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:32,440 Speaker 1: like post collapse fantasy that you can imagine where we're 745 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,480 Speaker 1: able to kind of reconfigure society, how would you plan 746 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,840 Speaker 1: urban living? And you're like, well, yeah, there's there's a 747 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,520 Speaker 1: lot of actually really cool ideas for like keeping people 748 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,239 Speaker 1: close together can be a very ecological idea if you 749 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,960 Speaker 1: do it certain ways. It's just a lot of the 750 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,000 Speaker 1: ways you've defaulted to over the past. Like really three 751 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:55,080 Speaker 1: years has made it not that with the invention of 752 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,799 Speaker 1: the car really really screwing us over. Um. So, yeah, 753 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much for talking about urban living and 754 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 1: super super blocks and all this kind of stuff. Where 755 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 1: can where can people find more of your work and 756 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:16,239 Speaker 1: writing on the interwebs. You can find me on YouTube 757 00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,640 Speaker 1: at seeing Andrewism, and you can find me on Twitter, 758 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,960 Speaker 1: which hopefully when you hear this, I am still not 759 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: on at under school seeing True fantastic. Um yeah you 760 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,280 Speaker 1: uh st Andrew just put together a really great episode 761 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:38,439 Speaker 1: about anti work stuff and the way that debacle has 762 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,279 Speaker 1: has has happened and what we can learn from it 763 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,440 Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. Um And while you should 764 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,759 Speaker 1: still actually care about anti work um and yeah, so 765 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,280 Speaker 1: we're definitely recommend the anti work video for recent recent 766 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,800 Speaker 1: recent stuff. Let's see, um, if you want to feed 767 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:02,440 Speaker 1: your brain into the addiction driven social media algorithm. You 768 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: can follow us on Twitter and Instagram. That happened here, 769 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,279 Speaker 1: pot and cools on media and uh yeah, let's uh 770 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 1: go think about go think about microspaces and community gardens. 771 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,200 Speaker 1: That seems like a good, a good way to dedicate 772 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:20,080 Speaker 1: your thoughts. Time and roll down the street smoking indow, 773 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,000 Speaker 1: sipping that gin and juice while you still can on 774 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:29,120 Speaker 1: a bike on a personally, just doing my moral judgments 775 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:34,879 Speaker 1: upon you before before the fascist anarchists take away your 776 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 1: f one fifties. Yeah, look, if if if we can 777 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,640 Speaker 1: democratize military grade weaponry the way the Ukrainians had, we can, 778 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,720 Speaker 1: we can. We can form neighborhoods that cannot be forced 779 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:54,879 Speaker 1: to live in the traffic. The auto industrial complex really 780 00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:00,600 Speaker 1: reduced frifless air travel, what other eyes will end up 781 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,799 Speaker 1: in a mad max field? And I meant that right 782 00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:16,480 Speaker 1: well aspects of it? Yeah, alright, stee what everybody? It 783 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,760 Speaker 1: could happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 784 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,680 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 785 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,800 Speaker 1: cool zone media dot com, or check us out on 786 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,400 Speaker 1: the I Heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 787 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,239 Speaker 1: listen to podcasts. You can find sources for it could 788 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,200 Speaker 1: happen here? 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