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Speaker 2: Are you on a boat?
Speaker 1: Where am I? I'm on the Amalfi Coast.
Speaker 3: Hell, Yes, I am off shore on the month.
Speaker 1: I've decided to work in oil? Where you are? I'm
Speaker 1: on an oiler. You're an oil rigger, yes, I'm an
Speaker 1: oil I felt like I had to get down to
Speaker 1: my roots, and that is oil rigging. You know how
Speaker 1: popular that's been.
Speaker 4: Down to your roots in and down into the sea.
Speaker 1: Yes, I just am happy that I'm not in America
Speaker 1: right now, and I'm enjoying my free time while I
Speaker 1: have it. I have the month of July off before
Speaker 1: I get back on tour. Everybody, I'll be back in August.
Speaker 1: And in the meantime, I am drinking and swimming and
Speaker 1: acting like the way God intended me to behave.
Speaker 4: And meanwhile, like the powers that be over here are
Speaker 4: dropping like flies.
Speaker 1: So I know, I can't believe. Though, When are they
Speaker 1: gonna admit that Mitch McConnell's dead? I mean, this is
Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 4: I know that photo that they posted is like clearly
Speaker 4: AI because the newspaper he was holding like the picture
Speaker 4: is wrong.
Speaker 2: I saw a thing about it online.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, But if the Democrats can't get it together
Speaker 1: to get them to prove that Mitch McConnell is dead
Speaker 1: before that special election kicks in, then they deserve that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like, get it together, and
Speaker 1: you cannot. This is weekend at Bernie's. I mean, I
Speaker 1: honestly was laughing when I heard this. I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is seriously happening in our country.
Speaker 4: And you heard the thing about his assistant called to
Speaker 4: cancel his like country club reservation, and they're like, why
Speaker 4: do you need to cancel She's like, my boss is dead.
Speaker 4: That was like two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, no, I didn't hear that. That's even better.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is good.
Speaker 1: They're gonna make movies about this. It's so stupid. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're gonna make movies about a lot of this.
Speaker 3: It's fully Wagged the Dog totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good movie. It's Wag the Dog
Speaker 1: beats Weekend at Bernie's. But Wag the Dog is good
Speaker 1: for anyone. If you're listening and you haven't seen that movie,
Speaker 1: it's worth seeing that movie.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Oh and also we should mention, since we recorded this episode,
Speaker 4: poor Bonnie Tyler has passed away, which is a subject
Speaker 4: of conversation.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, Bonnie Tyler died. Yes, this comes up in
Speaker 1: this conversation. They were gonna go on a cruise with
Speaker 1: Bonnie Tyler. Well you'll hear it. Listen to the episode.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we had a really good time talking to them.
Speaker 1: You know, our guests from their blockbuster comedy specials Now
Speaker 1: at Douglas and then Something Special and their new special
Speaker 1: Woof is on YouTube now, so please welcome Hannah Gatsby. Hi,
Speaker 1: Hannah Gadsby, Hi, welcome to America.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much having me.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love you. I love you.
Speaker 2: I thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3: I think you're such a breath of fresh air.
Speaker 2: You should spend more time with me. I change.
Speaker 3: It's easy to love from Afar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like to keep the distance.
Speaker 1: Well, you are keeping the distance because you live in
Speaker 1: fucking Tasmania, which.
Speaker 2: Is oh no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: Oh you're from Tasmania.
Speaker 2: You mean, but I'm on the mainland these days.
Speaker 1: How did you get over to the mainland?
Speaker 2: Oh? Ships, ahoy, we've got a faery.
Speaker 1: I've been to Tasmania.
Speaker 2: Now tell me about that.
Speaker 1: I was doing, you know, some dates in Australia. So
Speaker 1: I thought my cousin and I thought, oh, we should
Speaker 1: go somewhere we've never been. And somebody said you should
Speaker 1: go to Tasmania.
Speaker 2: And he said that to you.
Speaker 1: In Australia, this guy, Johnny, his name is Johnny Cox.
Speaker 1: Actually I'd like to yeah, exactly, I'd like to shout
Speaker 1: him out. And he said, but before you go, you
Speaker 1: have to read Robert Hughes's book the Fatal Shore.
Speaker 2: That's intense homework.
Speaker 1: This is a book that is about eight hundred pages.
Speaker 2: Have you read it, Hannah, Yes, yes I did. Yeah.
Speaker 2: When I was studying out history, I didn't read at all,
Speaker 2: flick through.
Speaker 1: Well I did.
Speaker 3: I read all of it, and.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I love books. I love books.
Speaker 1: I read your book. I loved your book. I read
Speaker 1: that book and I was in Tasmania and it was
Speaker 1: such a disturbing book because it talks about the colonization
Speaker 1: which started in Tasmania for all of Australia and.
Speaker 2: All the people that they would are going to pull
Speaker 2: you up.
Speaker 1: Maybe I didn't entertain that, let's have a chat this okay.
Speaker 2: So Tasmania was the second penal colony, its great word
Speaker 2: after Sydney. Because they landed in Sydney set up the
Speaker 2: jail situation. They thought, it's quite nice here. This is
Speaker 2: hardly punishment, and then like, let's find somewhere terrible. And
Speaker 2: that's when they said, well Tasmania, Like it's so it
Speaker 2: was the second one. And then what were you going
Speaker 2: to say about Tasmania. I take a while to warm up.
Speaker 1: It's no problem, afilin Tasmania was the more severe penal
Speaker 1: quality where they took the really bad guys and where
Speaker 1: they had And funnily enough, when you go to Sydney,
Speaker 1: like if you go on a boat ride in Sydney
Speaker 1: and you're coming back in, you're like, can you imagine
Speaker 1: bringing a bunch of prisoners and criminals here? Like and
Speaker 1: then why you're like, this is paradise, Like why would
Speaker 1: you be against that? So but obviously it wasn't paradise
Speaker 1: because the book The Brutality a Fatal Shore is that
Speaker 1: book gave me for four days in a row in
Speaker 1: Tasmania reading about the whipping and the lashing, and they
Speaker 1: would hang these guys by the post and then the
Speaker 1: guys were eating people. They would trying to escape and
Speaker 1: they're in the rest here.
Speaker 2: That's that's Alexander Piace you're talking about there. So when
Speaker 2: they've gone, oh, Tasmania is terrible, and then I'm like,
Speaker 2: well it's coming together. Let's find another island. So they
Speaker 2: found another island on the east coast, the furthest away
Speaker 2: you can get from Hobart, which is the only town
Speaker 2: in town. And Alexander Peace and a bunch of his
Speaker 2: buddies on this island broke out and then like, we've
Speaker 2: got to make our way to Hobat and it is
Speaker 2: and it is still really dense wilderness, Like there are
Speaker 2: parts of the eastern coast of Tasmania that no one's
Speaker 2: been no west west coast that's where I'm from, that
Speaker 2: no one's really been through, you know. So it's dense
Speaker 2: and ancient forest, right. And they made their way to
Speaker 2: Hobut eventually, but only Alexander Piace arrived because he had it.
Speaker 2: He just eighties other escapeees on away, like one by one,
Speaker 2: and and then they said, well you should go back
Speaker 2: to this island. And then he escaped again and some
Speaker 2: people went with him, and at that time he just
Speaker 2: they got to the beach of the mainland of Tasmania
Speaker 2: and he just ate them there. He's like, I don't
Speaker 2: need to walk this far. I just like eating people now.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, that's what I happened.
Speaker 2: I'm told we were elated. Whenever we're get in trouble,
Speaker 2: you're at Alexander Pears.
Speaker 1: That's good, that's a good recall for his name.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: Another thing, though, is in Sydney and in Tasmania, all
Speaker 1: the streets or lots of the streets are named after
Speaker 1: these prison wardens. So you're walking down the street all
Speaker 1: the names from the book, I'm like, why does this
Speaker 1: sound familiar? And then I'm like, oh, this was named
Speaker 1: after one of the prison wardens. Did you ever notice that?
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, we're very proud of our terrible history.
Speaker 2: I'm a direct descendant of a lady off the first fleet.
Speaker 2: It wasn't quite the first fleet, it was the second fleet.
Speaker 2: I think they talked about it, and that's all the
Speaker 2: the floating brothel because they realized everyone was dying, and
Speaker 2: then they thought, you know, we should just send a
Speaker 2: lot of women down there. And so it was just
Speaker 2: a ship full of women. And my descendants stole a
Speaker 2: Bible classic and that was the only ship that arrived
Speaker 2: with more people on it than left because they just
Speaker 2: had babies on the way. They had a birthing tent
Speaker 2: on the deck because usually when you'd stop in all
Speaker 2: the ports on the way, if there were women on
Speaker 2: the ship, they'd be rowed to other ships to have
Speaker 2: a bit of a plow and and.
Speaker 3: No, just want to put that out there, but kind
Speaker 3: of funny and.
Speaker 1: That there's just the language.
Speaker 2: Sorry, And then so but there's a lady on board
Speaker 2: who took all these young women under her wing and
Speaker 2: established the floating brothel. And it was just like, no,
Speaker 2: these guys can come here and I'll protect all these women.
Speaker 2: So and then they had a berthing tent on board,
Speaker 2: and I think they had three or four berths because
Speaker 2: it took takes so long to get there. My descendant.
Speaker 2: They landed in Sydney and everyone's like women. And then
Speaker 2: they so they sent her off to Norfolk Island, which
Speaker 2: is just off the way off the east coast of Australia,
Speaker 2: and that they colonized that because they thought Norfolk pines
Speaker 2: are great for building boats and they're not. So then
Speaker 2: they're just stuck there on this wild island. There. They
Speaker 2: lived in threes. Polygamy was established there and every household
Speaker 2: got two women and a pig, and so it's pretty wild.
Speaker 2: And then she went to Tasmania. I don't come from
Speaker 2: good stock.
Speaker 3: Wow, two women and a pig.
Speaker 2: Yeah. She eventually got, you know, after she served a sentence.
Speaker 2: She got a huge plot of land outside Sandy Bay
Speaker 2: in Sandy Bay in Hobart, which is the posh suburb
Speaker 2: like you know, but she sold it for a barrel
Speaker 2: of rum obviously. Mm hmmm, yeah, so that's yeah, the
Speaker 2: Fatal Show is Yeah, I quite I quite like that's
Speaker 2: an uplifting book for me. It's full of hope.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just thinking, like, two women in a pig
Speaker 1: is better than being on your own with the pig
Speaker 1: and a guy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: A pig sounds great if a man is not there, like.
Speaker 1: But even if a man is there, I would want
Speaker 1: another woman and if I absolutely you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: better than to be alone with the pig and the man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not many of those marriages lasted.
Speaker 1: Congratulations on your marriage. How long have you been married now?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Hello? Five years? Five years?
Speaker 1: What words of wisdom? What kernels of wisdom have you
Speaker 1: picked up from being married for five years?
Speaker 2: Look, I think five years is not long enough to
Speaker 2: just like let me do you know, like that's I
Speaker 2: haven't even out to the seven year itch.
Speaker 1: Let me let me rephrasee it. Then, let me rephrase it.
Speaker 1: How has marriage impacted the way that you see yourself
Speaker 1: as an individual on this earth?
Speaker 2: Oh? Well, cohabitating that someone has made me understand just
Speaker 2: how badly I operate through life. So it's having a
Speaker 2: constant witness. That's both alarming and comforting, you know, just
Speaker 2: you know, being seen by someone all the time. I
Speaker 2: quite enjoy it because I have the capacity to disappear. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've really enjoyed it. Nice. And that's not very funny.
Speaker 1: No, and you don't have to be funny. I mean
Speaker 1: it's a serious question.
Speaker 2: Well, I've made a rod for my back, haven't I.
Speaker 1: I watched your new special. It's called Wolf. Everybody listening.
Speaker 1: It's now out on YouTube. It's Hannah Gatsby's newest special
Speaker 1: and it's very non traditional. I liked it. I liked
Speaker 1: the opening particularly. I want to bring that up because
Speaker 1: I have a big history. We're probably of the same age.
Speaker 1: I have a history of Cabbage Patch children in my
Speaker 1: life and I as soon as you started talking about that,
Speaker 1: it brought me back to the time where parents were
Speaker 1: going to Toys r Us at six o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: standing in line for Toys r Us to open to
Speaker 1: get the right cabbage Patch kid for their daughter, which
Speaker 1: was me, and they never got the right one. I
Speaker 1: got two premies before I got a real one, and
Speaker 1: one of them had to say, yeah, they had got me.
Speaker 3: Like the Rudders, the runts of the litter the rudders.
Speaker 1: Exactly, so I got two of them. Then I got
Speaker 1: a fake cabinet because my dad was like, fuck this shit,
Speaker 1: I'm not standing in line at Toys r us at
Speaker 1: six o'clock in the morning, and I was like why not.
Speaker 1: I'm like everyone, I need to bring a cabbage patch
Speaker 1: to school to be legitimate, Like I have to legitimize myself.
Speaker 1: Did you have a cabbage patch?
Speaker 2: There was nothing a cabbage patch doll could do to
Speaker 2: legitimize me, Like I think you have to be edging
Speaker 2: toward legitimacy. But no, I got a I think called
Speaker 2: an ice cream doll, like it was a fake one.
Speaker 2: You know, when cabbage patch dolls took off, other people like, well,
Speaker 2: let's people prefer ice cream. You think the ice cream
Speaker 2: doll would have taken off before a cabbage patch doll,
Speaker 2: you know, like cabbage right ice cream? Correct. I didn't
Speaker 2: like dolls, so I wasn't and they were not. They
Speaker 2: were ugly. They were objectively ugly, and they always used
Speaker 2: to confuse me why everyone was excited about them. And
Speaker 2: then but you trace it. It keeps happening like la
Speaker 2: boo boos, and every generation has this and like I
Speaker 2: think the trick is dolls of frightening.
Speaker 5: But there is actually an answer to your question because
Speaker 5: you're talking the special about like where did all the
Speaker 5: cabbage patch dolls go? And there was I think I
Speaker 5: think it was a my strange addiction that they covered
Speaker 5: this on. But there is this couple in like Ohio
Speaker 5: and they have like fifteen thousand cabbage patch dolls and
Speaker 5: they have names for all of them, and they have
Speaker 5: parties with their friends, and they have like a special
Speaker 5: building that's you know, heat temperature regulated.
Speaker 1: It's very imagine they have friends. I think there's a
Speaker 1: list that there's a litter that's a kind.
Speaker 2: Of obsession that truly include a lot.
Speaker 1: What did you play with when you were growing up
Speaker 1: if you didn't like cabbage patch kids?
Speaker 2: I liked to play with my with my animals. I
Speaker 2: had a dog. I just smucked about. Really we lived.
Speaker 2: We were sort of quite feral. There's a lot of swimming.
Speaker 2: I played golf.
Speaker 1: Do you still play gold?
Speaker 2: I picked it up again. I used to play. I
Speaker 2: was a state champion. Wow, the state was Tasmania. So
Speaker 2: we can just back off the impressiveness there, excuse you?
Speaker 2: And so that that was what I did on weekends.
Speaker 2: I would play. It was a little country golf club,
Speaker 2: so basically girls just hanging out with the elderly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean I know you you suffer from
Speaker 1: social anxiety and that you've talked about panic attacks and such.
Speaker 1: Was that happening when you were a kid too?
Speaker 2: No, because I was just hanging out with old people.
Speaker 2: Take the stress right off. Tea and biscuits. They don't care.
Speaker 2: They're just happy someone's talking to them. I just walked
Speaker 2: the walk the straight. I knew who had who had
Speaker 2: bad mobility and biscuits they can get away from me.
Speaker 1: So tell us when did that stuff? Like when did
Speaker 1: you start identifying that something or that you felt some
Speaker 1: way about your like disposition or that you had panic
Speaker 1: attacks or that you had anxiety, Like at what age
Speaker 1: did that become relevant to you or that you had
Speaker 1: a name for it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Not. While I was a child, you didn't have a
Speaker 2: name for it. I just got tired. I'm sort of avoidant,
Speaker 2: and I get burnt out and tired, So I just
Speaker 2: become a potato as as opposed to a jittery bug.
Speaker 2: But as I've gotten older and like, I just can't
Speaker 2: impress upon people enough. Just how isolated my childhood was.
Speaker 2: Like it's Tasmania. As you know, Chelsea is very isolated.
Speaker 2: It's like it's a hop, skip and a jump to
Speaker 2: get there, and it is. But in the eighties it
Speaker 2: was even more isolated. You know, there just wasn't we
Speaker 2: had two or three channels on television. Leaving the state
Speaker 2: was prohibitively expensive, you know, and it's incredibly inbred. It's
Speaker 2: like it's a bit like Iceland actually, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Iceland and Tasmania get studied a lot because of the
Speaker 2: purity of our genetic pool. Wow. They say purity, but
Speaker 2: I say it's you.
Speaker 1: Know, you don't meet a lot of Icelandic people that
Speaker 1: have left Iceland, you know what I mean. They're not
Speaker 1: about in the world, Like you don't run into people
Speaker 1: from Iceland. And you're the first person I've met, well,
Speaker 1: the first person that I know of that's from Tasmania.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of people like I can't remember who
Speaker 2: they are, so we probably shouldn't talk about.
Speaker 1: You also can't have that kind of competition.
Speaker 2: No, Although I'm not a very competitive person, I'd rather
Speaker 2: not a very big part of being Australian is understanding
Speaker 2: the power of being second best.
Speaker 1: Well, right now, right now, you're doing a lot better
Speaker 1: than we are, so I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I know. I think that's a lot to do with
Speaker 2: our attitude because you guys are so hopeful, you're always striving,
Speaker 2: and sometimes being still is better. I think it's really interesting.
Speaker 2: I think we're an interesting experiment because of you know,
Speaker 2: we're both settled, we're both American Australia both exist because
Speaker 2: Britain couldn't get this shit together and they still can't
Speaker 2: get their shit together, but they don't think about that.
Speaker 2: Britain should never be responsible for drawing maps.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, You raise a very good point.
Speaker 2: Like they've just shown time and time again that every
Speaker 2: time they draw up a new border, bad stuff happens
Speaker 2: for centuries. But also, but you guys were settled because you're, like,
Speaker 2: you know, hopeful and thought that Britain wasn't pure enough,
Speaker 2: and we were settled because you know, they needed somewhere
Speaker 2: to send the dregs. So we understood who we are
Speaker 2: from the beginning. Your country is built on this, like
Speaker 2: we're better than that, and we're just like we're not
Speaker 2: even good enough. For that dirty Island.
Speaker 1: Dirty do you know? When I went to Tasmania for
Speaker 1: that first like three months before the trip. Once we
Speaker 1: booked the trip, I was convinced I was going to
Speaker 1: Africa because of towns.
Speaker 2: In here, oh mad the amount of times, the amount
Speaker 2: of times people think I'm from Africa.
Speaker 1: Well, if the shoe fits.
Speaker 2: It doesn't. Yeah, I was doing it. I had one
Speaker 2: of those lovely general meetings back in the day. This
Speaker 2: is when I was too naive to have meetings in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: My success is really funny because it's just I just
Speaker 2: got launched into a place that really only very ambitious
Speaker 2: people belong and it was so you know, i'd given up.
Speaker 2: I was too old, not too old, but like I
Speaker 2: was forty, and you just get enough information to go, well,
Speaker 2: I'm never going to be a superstar. I'll just hang
Speaker 2: out here and do my thing. And then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden I was in a place where I really
Speaker 2: needed to have different muscles anyway. So I was taking
Speaker 2: these meetings and not making the most of them. But
Speaker 2: that funny ultimately, and I think it was Warner Brothers
Speaker 2: and they were all, you know, you know, when there's
Speaker 2: a feeding frenzy on, you know, and they're all very
Speaker 2: excited this is past. And they made me a cup
Speaker 2: of tea. They were very keen to make me tea,
Speaker 2: or they asked me if I wanted tea, and so
Speaker 2: I said yes because it's tea. Then at the forgetting
Speaker 2: I was in America, no offense, and they're like, oh no,
Speaker 2: Like they offered me take didn't know how to make
Speaker 2: it and made like the hottest water in a paper
Speaker 2: cup and I couldn't hold it. And it's like, thank
Speaker 2: you for the tea. And I'm like, I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to drink this because they're like, is it good. I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's too hot. And then they went around the table
Speaker 2: telling us each who they were and why I should
Speaker 2: be interested, and of course they bought in the whole
Speaker 2: department of reality television. And you know that who's the
Speaker 2: guy with the cowboy hat? He was there, the one
Speaker 2: who's ruined the world.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, the guy that did The Apprentice. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know his name, but I know who you're
Speaker 1: talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, giddy up. He was there and someone else in
Speaker 2: his team was talking and they're like, oh, we've done
Speaker 2: the Bachelor. The Bachelor you've seen The Bachelor. The Bachelor's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's very big in Australia. I'm not sure about Tanzania,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I was, you know, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: was gonna say, I think he means Tasmania. But then
Speaker 2: the tea burst through and then there was no more.
Speaker 2: There's no more meeting. So I really nailed that one.
Speaker 1: When was the last time you were here? Probably when
Speaker 1: I saw it with you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you saw me. Yeah, that was a hell
Speaker 2: of a party, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: It was? It was. That's a good party, actually really,
Speaker 1: I mean I had a good time.
Speaker 2: It feels like any party with comedians is like a
Speaker 2: wedding with only brides.
Speaker 1: I like a daytime event. I like a daytime party,
Speaker 1: and I like to meet. I like to get that
Speaker 1: fucking shit over with, like and not so for that,
Speaker 1: I like it, and I like when all the comedians
Speaker 1: because the truth of the matter is, you don't get
Speaker 1: to see a lot of comedians in real life unless
Speaker 1: you're working out at comedy clubs. You know, when you're
Speaker 1: touring and stuff, you see your people and you don't
Speaker 1: really get to mingle with them. So I do like
Speaker 1: that aspect. Of that party, and I love that it's
Speaker 1: in the daytime, and I love that. Yes, I like
Speaker 1: that party. That's a party that I will go to.
Speaker 1: You obviously feel what differently.
Speaker 2: I just don't like parties. Yeah, right, And then what
Speaker 2: concerned me about that party was the moment when speeches
Speaker 2: started happening. But I don't no one knew where the
Speaker 2: speeches were. And so you just hear this voice over
Speaker 2: the cast over the garden going Excuseberry, Hello, and everyone's
Speaker 2: just sort of looking around. I'm like, you're trying to
Speaker 2: run a live comedy festival. You need to know where
Speaker 2: to put a stage, and I have people understand where
Speaker 2: to look when you're talking. So I was worried about
Speaker 2: the logistics.
Speaker 1: So I heard what you said earlier about America, and
Speaker 1: I like what you say. I think I agree with you.
Speaker 1: We think we're better than everybody. What are your other
Speaker 1: impressions of America, Like your first impressions when you came
Speaker 1: over here for the first time.
Speaker 2: I mean, Americans are very friendly and I enjoy that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes your voices can pitch a bit loud, but that's
Speaker 2: the accent. The way that you speak. You really your
Speaker 2: tongue gets out of the way and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of noise comes out. I've learned the American accent, but
Speaker 2: I will not speak because it is too loud coming
Speaker 2: from within. I started easily, so the only way I
Speaker 2: can speak American is with if I do like a Batman,
Speaker 2: So I can speak American, but I won't go louder
Speaker 2: than that. I like Americans. I married one. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: think it's always an interesting thing when you have an
Speaker 2: idea of a culture and then when you have to mingle,
Speaker 2: it breaks apart, like the idea of a national identity
Speaker 2: always breaks apart because individuals ruin everything. This is true.
Speaker 1: This is true. How did you and your How did
Speaker 1: you and your wife meet?
Speaker 2: Jenny was my producer of Nannette when I took it
Speaker 2: to New York, so she was looking after me. This
Speaker 2: was before it went on to Netflix, and she was
Speaker 2: so good at her job, like she knew what I
Speaker 2: wanted before I wanted it. She's like, oh, do you
Speaker 2: want a cup of tea? And I'm like, no, oh, oh,
Speaker 2: actually I think I do. You know. That kept happening.
Speaker 2: So when I was gearing up to do my first
Speaker 2: world tour and we were spoken, she was at a
Speaker 2: loose end and we I brought her on to sort
Speaker 2: of help me tour. We had a strong working relationship
Speaker 2: before I wore her down.
Speaker 1: And how did you make your move?
Speaker 2: I didn't. We apparently we looked back on it, and apparently,
Speaker 2: you know, we we were dating for a year before
Speaker 2: we understood that we were dating. We just did everything
Speaker 2: you go that was romantic. Didn't clock that. And Jenny
Speaker 2: was being very professional. She's very professional, very good job.
Speaker 2: And I was just hyper aware of the you know,
Speaker 2: Weinstein factor, which was my employee. So you know, we
Speaker 2: how long was it, Ginny? Nine months?
Speaker 1: We're nine months you were and you were working together
Speaker 1: for nine months before you became a couple. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we know you're not good at a party. We know
Speaker 1: you don't like parties. We know you don't want to.
Speaker 2: Oh, Chelsea, I have to tell you something. I'm doing
Speaker 2: a gay cruise in August through the Mediterranean. Three thousand people.
Speaker 2: I accepted because it's through the Mediterranean and sailing through
Speaker 2: the path of totality for the Total Eclipse, and the
Speaker 2: headline act was going to be Bonnie Tyler, but she's
Speaker 2: now in an induced coma and not going so now
Speaker 2: I'm just on a boat, and I thought, you know
Speaker 2: who might know how to handle that is Chelsea Handler.
Speaker 2: Have you done a cruise?
Speaker 1: You know what, Hannah? Even I know not to do
Speaker 1: a fucking cruise.
Speaker 2: Fucking hell? What have I done?
Speaker 3: I mean, I really think you should get out of that.
Speaker 2: Really something I do a lot. I'm like, I don't
Speaker 2: like these things. I don't like these things, and then
Speaker 2: for some reason sometimes I just inexplicably move toward a thing.
Speaker 2: I do that?
Speaker 1: Should I do that too?
Speaker 2: So? Yeah, so that's what this is. So I guess
Speaker 2: I'm anyway. So you've not done a cruise.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I have an aversion to cruises, and that
Speaker 1: what's your version?
Speaker 2: It's probably the same as so.
Speaker 1: Many people, the amount of people stuck on one pile
Speaker 1: of essential basically garbage, because that's what you're doing.
Speaker 3: You're floating on garbage.
Speaker 1: And it's too many people, and it's you run. I
Speaker 1: don't want I don't want to be trapped. It's everything
Speaker 1: that you already think, is what I'm saying out loud.
Speaker 2: What have I done?
Speaker 1: How long? How long is the cruise?
Speaker 2: I did it for Bonnie? Nine nine nights? Nine?
Speaker 3: Okay, I thought we're going to say nine months.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, Yes, I'm doing a reverse convict.
Speaker 1: I was like, how long is the sun totality?
Speaker 2: I thought that was like a night.
Speaker 1: Okay, so nine days in the Mediterranean. I mean you
Speaker 1: should just bring your journal and keep track of everything.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming Jenny's going with.
Speaker 2: You, Yes, Jenny. I think we'll have a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Is there going to be gambling on the cruise?
Speaker 2: Yes, they all have a casino. I think it's a
Speaker 2: gamble to go on from.
Speaker 1: That is funny. That is funny that you signed up
Speaker 1: for Bonnie Tyler and now she's in a coma. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, how glorious.
Speaker 2: Would that be, Little Bonnie Tyler, little Welsh witch, just
Speaker 2: belting out total eclips of the heart doing an eclipse
Speaker 2: on a boat.
Speaker 1: Well maybe she'll come too in the Timeez not, when
Speaker 1: do you set sail.
Speaker 2: In August? It's done. I'm stuck on a boat without that.
Speaker 3: They're going to have to get some musical act.
Speaker 2: And everyone's going to be so excited. And I can't
Speaker 2: rain on their parade. They've saved up for it. This
Speaker 2: is their yea as much as it's my nightmare, and
Speaker 2: then I have to do two hours of comedy during
Speaker 2: the Moroccan themed night party, and but back to back,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like, oh, yeah, I'm sure I'll be funny.
Speaker 1: Like an early show and a lad show.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean take pictures, is all I have to say.
Speaker 3: And take some videos as well.
Speaker 2: Okay what I might do, And this is what I
Speaker 2: tend to do because I don't live on the surface
Speaker 2: of reality. I like to you know, the constant posting
Speaker 2: of what you're doing now is not not anything I've
Speaker 2: ever been able. It seems to be too soon, right,
Speaker 2: So I'll keep a daily diary and then post it later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine, that's better. It's better that way anyway.
Speaker 1: I like when I see people post about their trips
Speaker 1: after they've had some thought put into it, rather than
Speaker 1: it means. I agree with that. So you're way ahead
Speaker 1: of the game in that department.
Speaker 2: Only they're just like so they're sending all the things,
Speaker 2: and they're just like, as long as you cover up
Speaker 2: your balls, your penis, and your vagina at breakfast, anything goes.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, that was that in writing?
Speaker 2: It was in writing?
Speaker 1: Wow, I would use that as a that would be
Speaker 1: a big red flag.
Speaker 2: Well, they send it after you sign the contract, so.
Speaker 4: Right, it's like a nine day party, which it is
Speaker 4: going to be a party.
Speaker 1: But I do do you drink or do you.
Speaker 2: I probably will?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to.
Speaker 3: You don't strike me as someone who drinks or does drugs.
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, I do. I'm a dark horse.
Speaker 1: When Your Special Neat came out, it was humongous. It
Speaker 1: had a huge cultural impact and huge reaction from people.
Speaker 1: I want to know how that impacted you and what
Speaker 1: you thought about.
Speaker 2: That it was massive. I don't think I kind of
Speaker 2: appreciated because you're in the middle of it and it's
Speaker 2: quite intense, and it was just such a I think
Speaker 2: what I struggled the most with as it's you know,
Speaker 2: I've moved away from it, is that it like, it
Speaker 2: was such a personal show, and up until the moment
Speaker 2: it went on Netflix, it was mine, and you know,
Speaker 2: the story was who I was telling in the room.
Speaker 2: And I'm a live performer. I've not done much screen.
Speaker 2: I've done a little bit, but not with my work,
Speaker 2: you know, so my audience was built on people I'd
Speaker 2: spoken to who were sharing the same room as me,
Speaker 2: and this was my first adventure into not that you know,
Speaker 2: so by understanding of who my audience really disintegrated. And
Speaker 2: then when you start to write new shows and stuff,
Speaker 2: you're like, who are you talking to anymore? And I've
Speaker 2: always struggled with that, like who do you know who
Speaker 2: your audience is? Chelsea? And does that like do you
Speaker 2: sometimes go, well, I'm changing a little bit as a human.
Speaker 2: How do you bring your audience along with that without
Speaker 2: sort of alienating them? Because people really do like your
Speaker 2: old stuff better than your new stuff, and like it's
Speaker 2: always this constant conversation and because you don't, I don't,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm at a loss, like I feel at Sea.
Speaker 2: I think the biggest feeling for me at the moment
Speaker 2: is I quite afraid because I'm not a benign figure now,
Speaker 2: so anytime I speak up about something, it's a you know,
Speaker 2: it can be a problem. I'm a lightning rod, like
Speaker 2: it or not. And and you know, it's not like
Speaker 2: me too worked. You know, who would have thought hashtag
Speaker 2: was not actually equal to actual structures of power. And
Speaker 2: so we're in the middle of this disastrous and angry backlash.
Speaker 2: And I you know, as soon as I poked my
Speaker 2: head up I'm a target and so that that feels
Speaker 2: quite frightening. So on the one hand, I've trauma bonded
Speaker 2: on a grand scale, so I could start a cult.
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, it's like, you know, there
Speaker 2: are angry people at people are angry at me. Still.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, first of a, if you're going to start
Speaker 1: a cult, you're going to have to go back to
Speaker 1: Tasmania to do it, because that's the proper place for that,
Speaker 1: the proper backdrop. But what about the opposite part of that,
Speaker 1: all the love and adulation you got, didn't you notice
Speaker 1: that as well? I totally hear what you're saying, and
Speaker 1: I think people are really hateful and bigoted and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything we're experiencing in the United States specifically and on
Speaker 1: a global level, but specific to me because that's my experience.
Speaker 1: Our experience is everything feels like a like the overturning
Speaker 1: of Roe v Wades feels like a repercussion of me too,
Speaker 1: and feels like a repercussion of times up, like men
Speaker 1: are like, oh, you think you're gonna tell on us?
Speaker 2: And then no. I think what we're discovering is there's
Speaker 2: a reactivity where culture is saying we would rather not
Speaker 2: feel bad, and we would rather not feel bad about
Speaker 2: this and continue to do this like it's just like, oh,
Speaker 2: we've just discovered they have no shame mm hm. And
Speaker 2: that's you know, that's what you have to do the
Speaker 2: other side of it, you know. I mean, when you've
Speaker 2: got sort of complex trauma going on, hearing positive affectation
Speaker 2: is incredibly difficult. My team drip feeds me praise, you know,
Speaker 2: we've got a nice message from a fan, you know,
Speaker 2: because sometimes I can't take it on and then I
Speaker 2: resent the fan for writing. I'm like, why are you
Speaker 2: talking to me? But over time I've and because the
Speaker 2: heats disappeared a little bit, you know, and I'm left
Speaker 2: with my fans, and I have a really lovely fan base.
Speaker 2: So I'm learning how to exist in that. It's nice,
Speaker 2: you know, and I do like my fans, and that's
Speaker 2: where that's where our work is now. You know, I
Speaker 2: sort of hit that crossroad where it's just like you
Speaker 2: need to have wide public you know, I guess success
Speaker 2: and then you can have a career, Whereas now you
Speaker 2: so that if you can find your audience, you can
Speaker 2: have a career. And so I have an audience and
Speaker 2: that feels really privileged. You know. I feel like younger
Speaker 2: comics are really struggling to find, you know, because industries
Speaker 2: in such flux. The world we know has changed, so
Speaker 2: it's not like we can give actual advice to new
Speaker 2: comics because the landscape is so different in the way
Speaker 2: they're finding their audience is so different. So it just
Speaker 2: feels like a really unstable landscape. But I feel very
Speaker 2: grateful for my fans.
Speaker 3: And you want awards.
Speaker 1: I mean, you want a Peabody Award. You won the Emmy,
Speaker 1: didn't you for your so you must have that must
Speaker 1: have felt good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt frightened for about the Emmy because I
Speaker 2: did beat out Beyonce and speaking of dedicated fan bases,
Speaker 2: so my first first words were sorry. But that's probably
Speaker 2: the Australian part of me. It was so big for me.
Speaker 2: What other people understood it to be and what I
Speaker 2: understood it to be has taken a long time to
Speaker 2: sort of synthesize. But I feel like I'm there now.
Speaker 2: But it's it's over, is there?
Speaker 1: Is that one of the reasons what what you're describing
Speaker 1: why you didn't want to film this standup special in
Speaker 1: a more in the traditional way.
Speaker 2: Well, when I mean, as soon as I started doing
Speaker 2: that tool Wolf, it was clear I was in a
Speaker 2: bad way, Like I was in a very bad mental
Speaker 2: health situation. And you know, you could just see other
Speaker 2: people who you know, in the middle of a working
Speaker 2: phase and under stress and not in good mental health,
Speaker 2: they say and do things that are very destructive, not necessary,
Speaker 2: and and I'm like, you know, because you can't when
Speaker 2: you're you know, sitting on an anxiety that a tour
Speaker 2: means you can't tamp that down. You du like, right,
Speaker 2: I'm on tour now, I'm constantly traveling, I'm putting out work,
Speaker 2: I'm self promoting, I'm in the public eye. You don't
Speaker 2: get to tamp that down. So if you're starting up here,
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is a dangerous space to be. And
Speaker 2: in a volatile time, you know, like it's things were
Speaker 2: really heating up, particularly for my people, because you know,
Speaker 2: that was the time when you know, the scapegoating of
Speaker 2: trans and queer people really you know, started to drop.
Speaker 2: And you know, because people forget because the Internet makes
Speaker 2: it feel like we have a voice, but we don't
Speaker 2: actually have protections. But the voice bit upset people. So
Speaker 2: we became the scapegoat, so you know it's fear. I
Speaker 2: was afraid, and also you know it's a physiological thing
Speaker 2: for me. I don't like change, and tour is nothing
Speaker 2: but change. So I understood that, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't want because I do overthink it a bit because
Speaker 2: of the nature of the natte. I understand that my
Speaker 2: fan base hang on to my work because, like I said,
Speaker 2: I've trauma bonded, like it means stuff to people that
Speaker 2: it's that has nothing to do with me, But I
Speaker 2: am the figurehead of that, and I take that really seriously,
Speaker 2: like I don't want to abuse that, you know, because
Speaker 2: you know when I did Nanetta, it was like I
Speaker 2: didn't I didn't give a trigger warning, you know, like
Speaker 2: it was a the angry as people of course were
Speaker 2: men and particularly male comedians, and then it filters down
Speaker 2: from there. But there was also I knew that risk
Speaker 2: and I was happy to take that. But the other risk,
Speaker 2: which was always an unknown for me, is like it's
Speaker 2: people have experienced similar trauma. This could either be cathartic
Speaker 2: or really damaging. Like I took a little of care
Speaker 2: in the show writing a show that it was something
Speaker 2: that could hold as a piece of work, like I
Speaker 2: wasn't you know, this wasn't you know me sort of
Speaker 2: trauma bombing, like I'd work this out, like I thought
Speaker 2: about this, this was you know, you know, I channeled
Speaker 2: a funneled a rage instead of just sprayed a rage.
Speaker 1: Yes, well said, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2: But having said that, it's like all my decisions, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I feel a duty of care to that audience not
Speaker 2: to muck about, and I was up here with this anxiety,
Speaker 2: so and you know, I look back on this decision,
Speaker 2: I'm going, that's a decision only an anxious mind would make.
Speaker 2: But I really and I think it worked out in
Speaker 2: a way. I'm just like, how did I channel this
Speaker 2: instability and direct that to Netflix in my career because
Speaker 2: it's a victimless crime, you know, like if I make
Speaker 2: these odd decisions, and like, you know everyone and this stage,
Speaker 2: Netflix was like everything's funny, and so I ran in
Speaker 2: an experiment like are you funny? Though? Like can you
Speaker 2: be the joke? And I think I've told too many
Speaker 2: hostile jokes about Netflix to really truly be welcome on
Speaker 2: the platform. But it's a two way street, Like I
Speaker 2: don't Netflix fucking sucks, like they made transphobia profitable and
Speaker 2: they formed very deliberately a feeding frenzy on a tiny,
Speaker 2: tiny minority, and we have no recourse, you know. And
Speaker 2: I remember at this party that we went to in
Speaker 2: Netflix and this you know, Ted stood up once everyone
Speaker 2: worked out where to look, and he's like, we have
Speaker 2: made the world less to busif because we've opened up
Speaker 2: free speech. You know, I mean, speech just needs to
Speaker 2: be free because it's important and it's powerful and it
Speaker 2: can you know, make people feel things, and you know,
Speaker 2: when you're adjuit people, then you can maneuver for people.
Speaker 2: You know, it's flooding the zone. And they paid no care,
Speaker 2: absolutely no care. And because I am that person, you know,
Speaker 2: whenever it's like if you can't say you know, the
Speaker 2: you know, the transphobic debate within comedy, I was the
Speaker 2: figurehead and they pulled me into that, you know, Ted
Speaker 2: put me up as that, like we have Dave Chappelle
Speaker 2: and we have Hannah Gatsby, but I don't get paid
Speaker 2: nearly enough for that, right, you know, like I don't
Speaker 2: have those protections. I don't, you know, like and it
Speaker 2: was just a very vile time. So I channeled that
Speaker 2: and I only went to the Netflix as a joke thing,
Speaker 2: so that you know, I used it as they paid
Speaker 2: for my airline tickets and my top surgery and I
Speaker 2: haven't spoken about my top surgery publicly, but it's just like,
Speaker 2: you know what, that's a good use of their money.
Speaker 2: And it just, you know, it feels so hostile because
Speaker 2: for a lot of those guys, it's just sport. They're
Speaker 2: just like what can I say? Who can I upset?
Speaker 2: How close to the edge can I skate? I'm like,
Speaker 2: good on you, But there are people who are trying
Speaker 2: to live there and are actually you know, we're losing
Speaker 2: our rights, you know, and it's people hostile and I
Speaker 2: think Netflix was really cavalier with that. And it's not
Speaker 2: like I expect anything to change. People hate us now.
Speaker 2: It's been established, like people are sick of us talking,
Speaker 2: and the tide is too angry and activated about you know,
Speaker 2: everything else. There's no point trying to change that now,
Speaker 2: Like it's too big and too angry, and we are
Speaker 2: a scapegoat and people are distressed, and it's a moment
Speaker 2: in history where people like you know, people are scared
Speaker 2: of losing equality of life that they currently exist in
Speaker 2: and that's across the whole spectrum, from billionaires to people
Speaker 2: living in abject poverty. But it's not the responsibility of
Speaker 2: people who are on the struggle bus to sort of
Speaker 2: rain in their terror. It's the people who have genuine
Speaker 2: privilege that have a responsibility and they're not taking it.
Speaker 1: So did you decide not to go back to Netflix
Speaker 1: for this?
Speaker 2: Is that? It was that A, I don't think we're speaking. Oh,
Speaker 2: I think I don't think I'm on the radar anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like, I mean, so you're on the radar
Speaker 1: for sure because you were at the party.
Speaker 2: I mean no, I don't think I'm on Like, I'm
Speaker 2: sure I'm on the radiar, but I'm not like I
Speaker 2: don't think did.
Speaker 1: You go to them and try to sell them the
Speaker 1: special they're special?
Speaker 2: No, that's what this point the point of it was
Speaker 2: like it's like I deliberately made something they because they
Speaker 2: had the first ride of refusal, and so I made
Speaker 2: something they Yeah, it doesn't exist. It's just an animation
Speaker 2: and an audio only and I knew, like I wasn't
Speaker 2: like I'm going to stick it to them, Like I
Speaker 2: know it's a losing battle. But when you're like I
Speaker 2: was in dist so I thought, this is these are
Speaker 2: victimist crimes, Like it doesn't matter. I can't do anything
Speaker 2: to Netflix, They're too big, it's over, it's done whatever.
Speaker 2: But a little fight felt good in that sort of distress.
Speaker 1: I was feeling, Yeah, you must feel a big I mean,
Speaker 1: the way you're talking about it makes me really kind
Speaker 1: of understand, have a better understanding of the responsibility that
Speaker 1: you must feel and or the own and the onus
Speaker 1: that you must feel for like being a figurehead and
Speaker 1: what that means to people, because I hear what you're saying,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's pretty it's pretty hard to watch men
Speaker 1: get away with such bad comedy and picking on the
Speaker 1: people that need the like need the allies the most,
Speaker 1: like picking on that. It's like, if you're such a
Speaker 1: good comedian, why aren't you going over there and thinking
Speaker 1: of something more clever and picking on the higher levels
Speaker 1: of like fruit that are that are so easy to grab.
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't do good for your career. Like that's
Speaker 2: what I did. I went for the high fruit, and
Speaker 2: you know they don't love it. You know, it's it's
Speaker 2: a complex time to be alive. Though this isn't personal
Speaker 2: it's everybody is distressed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you handle your stress?
Speaker 1: Now? What do you do?
Speaker 2: I've clocked off. I don't listen to the news. I
Speaker 2: don't I'm not on social media. I am early onset quaint.
Speaker 2: I'm going on a cruise, but I don't think that'll
Speaker 2: help me connect.
Speaker 1: Now that cruise is going to set you back.
Speaker 2: I think I'm running experiment of like, what is it
Speaker 2: like to be a human not involved in social media?
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's fruitful. It's much more fruitful than.
Speaker 2: Being Yeah, but it's also interesting because you I'm losing
Speaker 2: you're losing touch. So as a comedian, it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: what do you talk about? Then? How do you connect
Speaker 2: to people? But it is very calm. I highly recommend it.
Speaker 1: How long have you been off social media?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: About four years? Four or five years?
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too dangerous for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I hear you. I hear you. I
Speaker 1: think it's probably dangerous for most people. But people are
Speaker 1: so addicted that they can't.
Speaker 2: It's really this is you know, I'm not an economist,
Speaker 2: and I don't understand you know, broad economic principles, but
Speaker 2: it's a logical extension of capitalism. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: making money now is culture. So you know, for a
Speaker 2: long time it's culture happened elsewhere, but now making money
Speaker 2: is our culture. It's not cultural capital, it's just capital capital.
Speaker 2: And that's what social media is. It's you know, turning
Speaker 2: art into data points. And now everyone's trying to create
Speaker 2: all the time, all the time. If you don't say something,
Speaker 2: you don't exist. If you don't put yourself on the screen,
Speaker 2: don't exist. And you know, people are talking about it
Speaker 2: over here, and then it's constantly moving and I I,
Speaker 2: as an organism, cannot cope, you know. But I grew
Speaker 2: up in such isolation. And I see people my age
Speaker 2: losing their minds because they're on social media too much.
Speaker 2: They melted.
Speaker 1: My sisters and I were on a girl's weekend. We
Speaker 1: went to Sedona, Arizona, and my sister Simone was saying,
Speaker 1: we were talking about the state of affairs in our country,
Speaker 1: and she was like, we have no culture left. America
Speaker 1: has no culture, and that's the capital.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like the price you pay for capitalism,
Speaker 1: which sounds in theory like a great idea, but put
Speaker 1: to practice, ends up being something completely opposite. Of what
Speaker 1: the intention is and then the average that comes with
Speaker 1: the capitalism, and then this whole experience with technology and
Speaker 1: what's happened. It's like there's no soul, Like the soul
Speaker 1: of our country is gone and has diminished so greatly
Speaker 1: that I don't know, like I do you feel like
Speaker 1: the soul is gone in Australia?
Speaker 3: Do you feel the same way.
Speaker 2: It's gonna happen? You know, there's a slide beginning, but
Speaker 2: we're a bit delayed. It's not as bad here, but
Speaker 2: it's just there's no escaping it. I don't think, you know,
Speaker 2: because the we're going to continue having more and more
Speaker 2: natural disasters and no infrastructure to help people, you know,
Speaker 2: recover from these things. You know, natural to the existence
Speaker 2: of being human is ebb and flow. And the way
Speaker 2: we've built things is like we always strive and building, building,
Speaker 2: and we've just created a pile of fucking jenger and
Speaker 2: we just got to watch it. You know, were you?
Speaker 2: But you?
Speaker 1: I mean, at least your country was smart enough to
Speaker 1: prohibit social media for sixteen year olds and.
Speaker 2: Under all, Australian kids are going to reach eighteen like
Speaker 2: their homeschooled you know, it's going to have these like
Speaker 2: you know, like what does that mean for and they're
Speaker 2: on social media? Well, no, it's not like it's been successful.
Speaker 1: It hasn't.
Speaker 2: No, their kids know how to get around it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but parents aren't parents held responsible if their kids
Speaker 1: are on social media. There, I know they did that.
Speaker 1: There they didn't do.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's one step. That's a major step that
Speaker 1: needed to be taken.
Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, I mean, I think the regulation of
Speaker 2: social media and Silicon Valley, like, I mean, I started
Speaker 2: to think, what's going to happen once the circle jerk
Speaker 2: that is Silicon Valley collapses? You know, like it's going
Speaker 2: to imploded. It's something, you know, it's just a it's wild.
Speaker 2: It's a wild time to be alive. It is so
Speaker 2: many unstable men with huge swarts of power, and it's
Speaker 2: just like that's we know this doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you a question. If it's in
Speaker 1: order to avoid this cruise that you're performing on, you
Speaker 1: had to go on a boat with Jeff Bezos and
Speaker 1: Lauren Sanchez, that's option one. I'm gonna give you a selection. Okay.
Speaker 1: One option is Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez. You have
Speaker 1: to go away with just the two of them on
Speaker 1: the boat and have every meal with them for a week,
Speaker 1: for a week, for the nine days. Sorry, you're going
Speaker 1: for nine days, So nine days you can either go
Speaker 1: with them. You can go with Elon Musk and whoever
Speaker 1: he's dating, or you can go with Mark Zuckerberg and
Speaker 1: his wife for the nine days.
Speaker 3: You have to choose one of those couples.
Speaker 2: Okay, well not Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: Sorry I threw that one. I'm sure they are the
Speaker 1: same way about the same thing, so.
Speaker 2: They're a trifecta. I think I could cope with all
Speaker 2: of them because I would make them jump overboard. I could,
Speaker 2: you know, if it's just them, I could work them.
Speaker 2: I would win on one on one with any of
Speaker 2: those guys like I can't. I will outrage. I know
Speaker 2: how to annoy people like that. I've met Jeff. I
Speaker 2: annoyed him.
Speaker 1: Did you When did you meet him?
Speaker 2: I went to his silly little camp, oh Amazon for Amazon? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: how was that? It was weird? It was a cult.
Speaker 2: And I told him, why don't they stop trying to
Speaker 2: start a cult? You're not charming enough.
Speaker 1: Ah, I know he really isn't he did?
Speaker 2: He did all the things. They invite people, but they
Speaker 2: don't tell them why, and sometimes they invite you back,
Speaker 2: and sometimes they don't. It's what I want. And he
Speaker 2: was trying, you know, He's like, oh, let's get all
Speaker 2: this culture here. I'm like, what the culture you're actively
Speaker 2: trying to destroy? Cool story, buddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I once went to one of those think tanks
Speaker 1: weekends for Google years ago, and I just remember I
Speaker 1: met some interesting people that I'm still in touch with,
Speaker 1: but overall it felt like you were, yeah, a part
Speaker 1: of a group that wasn't going to age. Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, think tank's are funny concept.
Speaker 1: It is a funny concept. As soon as if once
Speaker 1: you all get together, you're going to come up with
Speaker 1: all these great ideas and solutions.
Speaker 2: Because we know committees work will Yeah, aren't you happy
Speaker 2: you don't have a child? You know, Klinder, But who's
Speaker 2: going to look after me when I'm old? You know?
Speaker 2: The genis why you have children? No, that is not
Speaker 2: why you have children. Look part of me, Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 2: because it's just so much to think about. And then
Speaker 2: as like, as soon as you have a child, you've
Speaker 2: got to start booking them in for their education. It's
Speaker 2: so much, you know, so much decision making. And then
Speaker 2: but I think, you know, the idea of children remained
Speaker 2: sensible because it's like it keeps you connected. I think
Speaker 2: I'm going to recede. I'm I'm just full witch. I'm
Speaker 2: great guarding Greg grey Garden.
Speaker 1: Why don't you go out and about at all? I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not going to receive by just because you're off
Speaker 1: of social media. I don't buy that.
Speaker 2: No, I'm actively trying to go out and about. I
Speaker 2: really became a lock in. I got the anxiety was bad,
Speaker 2: and then I became a habit. I didn't recover from
Speaker 2: the pandemic. I just wasn't leaving the house. So I've
Speaker 2: started taking myself on little jaunts and just rebuilding my
Speaker 2: confidence because you know, when the net happened, like I
Speaker 2: couldn't go out. It was really a lot, you know,
Speaker 2: and I wasn't used to being perceived. You know. I
Speaker 2: was someone who could go out and observe and that's
Speaker 2: how I lived, you know, skulking. So it sort of
Speaker 2: like took me a long time. Now. I took myself
Speaker 2: to the football as I went to a major sporting
Speaker 2: event the other day, being in a crowd was kind
Speaker 2: of exciting a lot of men. I think it's important
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on the patriarchy. So I'm following
Speaker 2: Australian rules football and Formula one.
Speaker 1: I saw that you were into Formula one and I
Speaker 1: was wondering what that was about. I've been to a
Speaker 1: Formula one race. I went last summer in.
Speaker 2: Nahtich One, Miami, or I was in Europe.
Speaker 1: I was in Europe. Oh, I must have been in Barcelona.
Speaker 1: Outside of Barcelona. Yeh yes, yes, yeah classic.
Speaker 2: How did you go? Too noisy? Right? Too much?
Speaker 3: I loved it. The catering was incredible.
Speaker 2: I mean, what did you have? What's now everything?
Speaker 1: They had beautiful catering stations upstairs in that VIP section
Speaker 1: and you could get a steak, and then you could
Speaker 1: get pasta and then you could get I mean they
Speaker 1: had everything you could imagine. And it wasn't like just
Speaker 1: nice food at a VIP event. It was next level,
Speaker 1: like it was beautiful food, beautiful drinks. I mean I
Speaker 1: barely watched the racing, you know, I wasn't really there
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 2: Did you do the grid walk?
Speaker 1: I did? I did do the grid walk?
Speaker 2: Did you get that really insanely awkward interview was his name?
Speaker 1: Yes, I did.
Speaker 2: Obsessed with him. He have you ever watched that happen
Speaker 2: outside of the one you participated in?
Speaker 1: I have watched it. I don't know that I saw
Speaker 1: that interview. I've seen one, but not that interview.
Speaker 2: He's just walking through. Nobody wants to talk to him,
Speaker 2: and he's just him and the cameraman and they don't
Speaker 2: know how to follow each other, and he has the
Speaker 2: most awkward conversation. I live for it.
Speaker 1: The whole thing was quite awkward actually, because, yeah, they
Speaker 1: put you down with all the other like VIPs or
Speaker 1: celebrities that are there, and I'm not in a Formula one,
Speaker 1: so I don't even want to be like, I don't
Speaker 1: even want to be seen there because I don't want
Speaker 1: to have to answer questions about Formula one? Do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? I'm just gonna sound like a
Speaker 1: fucking asshole. So I was like, please, I don't want
Speaker 1: to be interviewed. And then they wrangle you and they
Speaker 1: ask you questions and you're just trying to be as
Speaker 1: banal as possible in your answers and responses. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was quite a It was an interesting watching those
Speaker 1: guys get into those cars. That was where they're like,
Speaker 1: they're holding these hoses to them to keep them cool
Speaker 1: with air conditioning because they're so so they're blowing this
Speaker 1: freezing cool well free on I think, onto them or
Speaker 1: not free on, but whatever it's called coolant there. They're
Speaker 1: blowing it onto them as they get in these suits
Speaker 1: and their cars. And these guys are dripping before they
Speaker 1: even take off, and that's before the car.
Speaker 3: The door is closed. So I was more like shocked
Speaker 3: by the.
Speaker 2: Door is closed.
Speaker 1: There's no door, right, whatever that is, it's a tough thing.
Speaker 3: They just.
Speaker 2: Put a little like oh yeah yeah, like a heavy scoff.
Speaker 2: That was my.
Speaker 1: Takeaway that there was a door. So obviously I was
Speaker 1: playing very close to touch it. But I was more
Speaker 1: I was more concerned about their temperatures. I couldn't get
Speaker 1: my mind off of how hot they must be.
Speaker 5: Because of all the fire retardant they're wearing or what.
Speaker 1: I think. It's a pretty high. Also, it's just a
Speaker 1: hot sport, like they're sitting there running motors and reving
Speaker 1: engines and so it's really hot in that room where
Speaker 1: you go.
Speaker 2: No, famously, not a lot of trees on a Formula
Speaker 2: one track.
Speaker 1: Well, Hannah Gadsby, this has been a very big pleasure.
Speaker 1: I really enjoy you. I am glad that you have
Speaker 1: Jenny in your life.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we're glad.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that you're doing well. And your new
Speaker 1: special is fantastic. It's called Wolf.
Speaker 3: Everybody can watch it on YouTube.
Speaker 2: It's also a full album like it, certainly the twenty
Speaker 2: minutes on YouTube, and then there's like the eighty minute
Speaker 2: show on audio only.
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, And so it's like a book on tape,
Speaker 1: but fun much funnier, much funnier than any funny book
Speaker 1: on tape, that's right.
Speaker 2: I like tape tape, funny book tape.
Speaker 1: Doors. You know, we're bringing all the stuff back tape, doors, driveways, heat, whatever. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: well Hannah, we'll let you go. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for your time today.
Speaker 2: We're doing questions, food.
Speaker 1: We ended up talking. We ended up talking for a
Speaker 1: full hour. This was a full hour, so we don't
Speaker 1: have to take questions. I'm so looking forward to I
Speaker 1: knew you weren't looking forward to that, so I kind
Speaker 1: of was like, let's just keep talking. You I had answers,
Speaker 1: all right, I love it. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: being with us.
Speaker 2: It's been lovely. I one day will hang out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well when I come to Australia, I'll hit you up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a plus fun on the cruise if
Speaker 2: you want.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me think about that, let me sleep on
Speaker 1: that and get back to you.
Speaker 2: Well, best wishes. You're doing a mouthless job. I also
Speaker 2: enjoy you. I enjoy how you've evolved. It's not not
Speaker 2: as in you had to evolve, but in like as
Speaker 2: a human, we evolve and it's hard to do that
Speaker 2: in the public eye when people want to pin you
Speaker 2: where they understand you and I think you you've navigated
Speaker 2: quite a graceful career.
Speaker 3: Oh that's so nice of you. Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2: I can do it.
Speaker 1: Yes, you can lo poo. That's Spanish for you can
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 3: Well, that's Spash for I can do it.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Chelsea. Chelsea, I can't speak English or
Speaker 1: Spanish anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say to that.
Speaker 1: Adios.
Speaker 2: Oh of course, goodbye.
Speaker 1: Bye, Hannah.
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