1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Histories, a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to the show, 2 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: fellow Ridiculous Historians. Oh say, can you see in your 3 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: podcast feed our one and only super producer, mister Max Williams. 4 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: Oh say, can you see in your podcast feed? Are 5 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: we there? 6 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:41,959 Speaker 3: We are? 7 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: That's mister Noel Brown. They call me Ben Bullen. In 8 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: this neck of the woods, that would be the United States. 9 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: We have been fascinated for a long time about how 10 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: countries always pick space things to coside, right, Like, countries 11 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: have an official animal and official flag, and they also 12 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: have official songs. 13 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: They do called national anthems. And that's that's they're talking 14 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 2: about today. The the the world's most ridiculous national anthems. 15 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: I love the word anthem, though again it's one of 16 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: those chicken or the egg things. Something being anthemic, you know, 17 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: means it's kind of epic, and I guess an anthem, 18 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: a national anthem, is meant to be epic. And it 19 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: also goes back to you know, they call certain big 20 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: church pieces anthems, you know, as part of a church service. 21 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: And one of my favorite, one of my favorite British 22 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: insults that I've ever heard, just off the cuff, because 23 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: we know the British cousins are way better than Americans 24 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: at insults. I was walking around our old office in 25 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: Pont City Market here in the fair metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia, 26 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: and someone was telling a kind of I'll say the 27 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: guy was being kind of a dick about how there 28 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: was a line for one of the restaurants, and a 29 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: person working at the restaurant started telling them, you know, okay, 30 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: the weight's going to be about twenty five thirty minutes 31 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: something like that, and this British guy that I've never 32 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: seen before or since, he said, oh, spare me your anthem. 33 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: I don't know that one, Ben, that's good. I'm sure 34 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 2: he brought it off. Yeah, yeah, maybe he might have 35 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: coined it that very minute, but yeah, I guess an 36 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 2: anthem is also kind of in that context, sort of 37 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: a something that's a little bit like a saga, you know, 38 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: like a wordy perhaps. 39 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: Propaganda the oh good point. The Reeks have a national 40 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: anthem that is so long they don't speak or they 41 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: don't sing most of it. It's got like one hundred 42 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: and fifty eight verses. 43 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: That's another thing about those church anthems that you know, 44 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: you have the hymnal, I guess they've got the hymn, 45 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: but then there's the anthem, which is like the big 46 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: kind of show piece, the centerpiece of the servant. 47 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: So many verses, so many verses, so many churches, so 48 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: many verses. Let me stop freestyling and acknowledge our research 49 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: associate for this episode, Max the Madman Williams or Max 50 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: Foster Key Williams, and we get to go into it, 51 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: you know, with clear eyes and open minds. If you 52 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: are listening to this podcast and you're not from the US, 53 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: first off, thank you. Secondly, we know our national anthem 54 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: is not the best. 55 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 4: Song and did jump in real quick, just as the 56 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 4: research associated on this. I want to come out and 57 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 4: say this that even though these are ridiculous, because especially 58 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 4: the backstories and some of these, yeah, none of these 59 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 4: anthems are bad. Actually, these anthems are pretty awesome in 60 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 4: my opinion, especially the third one. The second one is 61 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 4: kind of weird. 62 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: They're still all better to sing than the US anthem. 63 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: And I don't want to sound unpatriotic, but I'm just 64 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: thinking of like, no, you're my music guy, so what 65 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: do you think about the national anthem? I find it 66 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: off putting. I mean, I'm curious about that. Ben, I 67 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: don't mind it. I think we maybe get a little 68 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: overexposed to it. Maybe it's sort of like a hotel 69 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: California or something. You know, maybe I never need to 70 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: hear it again, but it's sort of foisted upon us, 71 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: especially if you find yourself attending a sports game. One 72 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: thing I do love about the national anthem is really bad, 73 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: historically bad Rose Ambar. There was one recently that was 74 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: like Fergie I think historically did a really bad one. 75 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: And then there was some singer recently that did one 76 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: that was so bad. I think she was really drunk 77 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: or something, but now I can't remember the details about. 78 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: You cheat, Yeah house drunk National Anthem rehab. Country singer 79 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: Ingrid and Dress checked into a rehab facility after a 80 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 2: widely criticized intoxicated performance of the national anthem at the 81 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: Major League Baseball home run Derby. She admitted to being 82 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: a little tipsy and aangized to fans. 83 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I haven't heard of her, but wish her 84 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: well on her journey. 85 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: We all do. 86 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: But also we we have to confess to your point 87 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: about overexposure. 88 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: There Noel. 89 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: The national anthem of the United States is almost always 90 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: hung at the beginning of a sports game, right, U 91 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: and everybody, if you're respectful, you stand up. You might 92 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: take your hat off, you might put your one of 93 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: your hands over your heart, and then you have to 94 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: just stand there while you hear the rockets, red glare, 95 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: or whatever the current current public consumption version of it is. 96 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 2: It is called the star spangled banner, if I'm not mistaken. 97 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 2: I had to search for I had to dig deep 98 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 2: for that one, because people usually just call it the 99 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 2: national anthem, which is funny. I do love the idea 100 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: of something being spangled. Nobody uses that word enough. 101 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: I know, why didn't that British guy who was mad 102 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: about waiting in line, why didn't he say spare me 103 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: or spangled anthem? 104 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: Here you go? 105 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: That would have been cooler. But what we found here 106 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: thanks to Max, is that national anthems are very much 107 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: a thing. Some of them are written by terrible people. 108 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: They're often going to be a product of their ridiculous time. 109 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: Some are written by lawyers, some are written by musicians. 110 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: To be fair, and a lot of times people are 111 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: cribbing notes and songs from one another and putting their 112 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: own spin on it for sure. 113 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: Well, why don't we just jump right in to this 114 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: is sort of alistical episode. Max is fond of those, 115 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: and we're fond of them as well. So we're going 116 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: to start off. First entry in today's episode of ridiculous 117 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: national anthems that are also good is the Czech Republic 118 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: and Slovakia. Who go in have these on a national anthem. 119 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: You will probably still hear people refer to this part 120 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: of the world as Checklesslovakia. That's because before Slovakia the 121 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: Czech Republic split were they were the same country. It's 122 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: pretty recent split, actually, about thirty three years ago. And 123 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: it's funny though, because if I'm not mistaken, then oftentimes 124 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: a shorthand for people from this region is just Slavs 125 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: or checks dang it, don't know which. Which are the 126 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: ones that squad in tracksuits? All of them men, all 127 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: of them do. Do check out squatting Slavs in tracksuits. 128 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: If you want a fun Instagram. 129 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: Follow absolutely because they'll get there. If we go to 130 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: our friends at Britannica, we'll see that Czecholeislovakia was a 131 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: former country in Central Europe and it took in the 132 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: land of other previous countries or regions Bohemia, Moravia, Slovakia. 133 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm falling into Dracula voice flat Tepe. 134 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: You got the hands and the voice, you know. 135 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: So the Empire of Austria Hungary collapses in nineteen eighteen 136 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: at the close of World War One, Czechleislovakia gets formed. 137 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: Out of all of this, the political union of the 138 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: Czechs and the Slovaks after World War One. It worked 139 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: out kind of at least in the bigger picture, because 140 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: these are two different ethnic groups, but they have a 141 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: lot of similarities in religion, culture and language. And for 142 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: a while, between World War One and World War Two, 143 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: this was, no kidding, the most politically stable state in 144 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: Eastern Europe. Again, the bar is very low. 145 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean they often hear this part of 146 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: the world referred to as a powder keg, and I 147 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: think it's not too hot of a take to say 148 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: the history of this part of the world is a 149 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: little fraud, a little complex. Hence, things like Austro Hungary 150 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: and and you know Czechoslovakia, which now is of course 151 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: the Czech Republican Slovakia strange bedfellows. And I think it's 152 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 2: because of the border. They're all so close, they're all 153 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: packed in together, and yet they all have distinctly unique 154 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: national identities and cultures. And sometimes, what do they say, 155 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: been good fences make good neighbors, and maybe the fences 156 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: aren't high enough. But these borders are so close, you know, 157 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: it's like living in one of those like a condo situation, 158 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: where everything is packed right next to each other, and 159 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: it can sometimes cause beef. 160 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I love the point you're making about 161 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: the combination of these various unique ethnic groups into a 162 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: larger nation. One thing that's always fascinated me and probably 163 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: all of us is the existence of countries that are 164 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: named two countries like Ostia and Herzegovina. 165 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 2: That's right, that's another one. So is Slovakia the same 166 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: as there's also Yugoslavia. Yes, there was also Yugoslavia, but 167 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 2: it's in the region. 168 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: It's in the region. It's not a thing anymore. 169 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: Nineties that fell apart. 170 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So if we look at the nineteen thirties, 171 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: as you said, the powder keg begins to you know, 172 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: begins to get a little sparky. There's this guy that 173 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: hot take I think is kind of a drip, kind 174 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: of a pill and a fink. His name is Adolf Hitler. 175 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: He is rising to power in Germany in nineteen thirty 176 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: three and the people of western Czechoslovakia start to buy 177 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: into his pitch of national socialism. 178 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: M YEP national socialism aka the Nazis, and with the 179 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 2: acquiescence of Britain and France, Hitler did a bit of 180 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 2: a power move, a lot of a power move, and 181 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: annexed the German speaking part of Zudutan which means southern 182 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: areas of Czechoslovakia in nineteen thirty eight. By thirty nine, 183 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: Germany had occupied Bohemia and Moravia further and turned the 184 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: two regions into a protectorate of Germany right, which means 185 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: in this context these people were under the leadership of 186 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 2: Nazi Germany, but they did not have the same rights 187 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: as German people. Slovakia, it gets autotomy on paper, but 188 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 2: still Germany and German corporations are running the game. In 189 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: nineteen forty five, and we'll get to the anthem here, 190 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: Czechlislovakia is quote unquote liberated by the Soviet Union, but 191 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: they're not really liberated. 192 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: They just have new masters. Because the Soviet Union takes 193 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: this land into the USSR and they rule there in 194 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: all but name from nineteen forty eight to nineteen eighty nine. 195 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: We're talking puppet government's vassal state stuff for sure. 196 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: By the Soviets. You know, iron fisted grasp did eventually weaken, 197 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 2: and when that dominance broke, the Czechs and the Slovaks 198 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 2: began to kind of realize that they didn't particularly care 199 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 2: for one another. 200 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: They might not be the best roommates, or they might 201 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: need to Fleetwood max style go their own way. So 202 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: just Hollywood Mac did, just like Fleetwood back did. Yeah, 203 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: And so when the Communist rule ends due to the 204 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: Velvet Revolution, that sounds nice. It does sound nice. It 205 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: sounds like an album from the seventies. 206 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: Well, there's that band, Velvet Revolver that that's like the 207 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: supergroup from the Guns and Roses and what was it? 208 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, Tommy Lee was in and I want to say, 209 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: and I think the singer was the dude from Stone 210 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: Temple Pilots. 211 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 3: I'm thinking of Velvet Underground. 212 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: Vell Underground much much superior group to Velvet Revolver. But 213 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: we're talking about the Velvet Revolution, which sorry, it just 214 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: sounds really soft. They had some serious disagreements and that escalate. 215 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Slovak part of the population is saying, you 216 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: guys got to stop privatizing everything, you dirty checks. And 217 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: they have these parliamentary elections in June of nineteen ninety 218 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: two that really put a spotlight on these stark political differences. Eventually, 219 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: because of these disagreements, the leaders of the Czech and 220 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: Slovak factions decide to peacefully dissolve the idea of Czechoslovakia. 221 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: And so as part of this we see something called 222 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: the Velvet Divorce and two. 223 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: New Yeah sounds nice, dude the follow up. 224 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: Album, and two new countries are created, the Czech Republic 225 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: or Czechia and Slovakia. This occurs on New Year's Day 226 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three. This is where our national anthem comes in. 227 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 2: That's right, because even the you know, most amicable of 228 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: divorces still involve breaking up your stuff, and sometimes that 229 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: can include a song. So when Czechoslovakia split in nine 230 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: Zine eighty three, Eben Discan writes for Matador Network the 231 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: following more than just land was divided between the two countries. 232 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: Czechoslovakia's anthem where my Home Is was originally written in 233 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: nineteen eighteen. By combining verses from a Czech opera and 234 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: a Slovak folk song, makes sense, gives a little taste 235 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: of both the national identities in that national anthem. When 236 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: the country split in two, so did the anthem hull. 237 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: The Czech Republic adopted the first verse as its new anthem, 238 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 2: also called where My Home Is, and Slovakia adopted the 239 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: second verse as its new anthem, now called Lightning over 240 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: the Tatras, which is clearly a more badass name than 241 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: where My Home Is. And then they add an additional 242 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: verse because you know, they only had one verse, so 243 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: they had extended a little bit. 244 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go, so amicable breakup and everybody wants 245 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: to keep at least a piece of the song. And 246 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: so that's why those that's why that anthem is going 247 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: to be so similar here. Don't worry, folks, it gets 248 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: weirder if we go over to Chuka. Juannazia, writing for 249 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: Dutch Review, will see the story of the vill Helmos, 250 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: which is regarded by the Guinness Book of World Records 251 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: as the oldest national anthem in the world. 252 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: That's right, and the Dutch Review piece goes on to 253 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: say that the Wilhelmas only became the official anthem of 254 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: the Netherlands in nineteen thirty two. However, as the writer 255 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: points out, things are a little bit off kilter with 256 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: this anthem. While reciting the anthem, you start to ask 257 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: yourself a few questions. What inspired someone to write this hymn? 258 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: There we go with him again, who wrote it? And 259 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: what is the hidden meaning behind the lyrics. I just 260 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 2: want to take a pause real quick because that word 261 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: him came up. There is a certain in a reverence 262 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: that needs to be conveyed a national anthem. It really 263 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: is kind of like you mean, even like what the 264 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: battle Hymn of the Republic is another big you could 265 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 2: say that's an anthem. It's not a national anthem, but 266 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 2: that's sort of the idea. It does have this sort 267 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 2: of biblical epic quality to it. 268 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: So we we see something really interesting here. As Juanasea explains, 269 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: the vill Helmas or Willhelmos I'm going to go with 270 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: vill Helmas was written about a guy named Villain von 271 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: Orange or. 272 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: O r A in j E. 273 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: We are not native speakers. This guy led a fight 274 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: against the Spanish for independence during the eighty years war. 275 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: That's right, and some scholars believe that the author of 276 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 2: this piece of music may actually be a history mystery. 277 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 2: On the other hand, this is again from a Nuan 278 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 2: Nausea's piece. Some Dutch citizens, you know, and students of 279 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: history of their country, have always believed that the hymn 280 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: was written by Philip of Marnix of st Aldigonda. Of course, 281 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: he's got a couple of things, who is a very 282 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: important advisor to the aforementioned villem van Orange. 283 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: And a lot of people will still propose different authors here, 284 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: names of poets that were contemporarius to the rebellion, and 285 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: of course names of advisors. The issue is for people 286 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: like Dick Kornhert and I see you there, Max or 287 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: Phillips of Martix. Neither of these guys claimed to have 288 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: written this anthem, even though it was very popular during 289 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: their days. 290 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 2: So you'd think if if they, if credit was to 291 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: be claimed, they certainly would have done it right exactly now. 292 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: I realize, of course that often throughout history and anthem 293 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: will be propaganda that has new lyrics added to an 294 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: existing song. 295 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: So there was traditional traditional him if. Yeah, a lot 296 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 2: of these things are kind of interchangeable irrespective of genre. 297 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 2: Perhaps might be some of the differentiating features. But much 298 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: like the oral tradition, you know, and the songs of 299 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 2: old like you know, think about tales of nights and 300 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 2: the songs that bards might sing, the original author of 301 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: those things can often be lost to history because they 302 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: just get repeated and tweaked and that historical game of 303 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: telephone that you're always talking about, Ben, So it does 304 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: make sense that a lot of these things could date 305 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: back to much more regional traditional tunes with lyrics that 306 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: are then kind of tweaked a little bit. So it 307 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: makes it a little bit hard to nail down a 308 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: single author. 309 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, well said, we know. A lot of the 310 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: village bangers eventually, like the breakout singles of your favorite uh, 311 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: your favorite fair Carnival, they later informed national anthems. In 312 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: the case of this one, it seems that the music 313 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: itself can be traced back to a popular Roman Catholic 314 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: French song called Hanson de la ville de. 315 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 2: Well, certainly, we've got to put that into a little translator. 316 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 2: What the heck does that mean? Casey Pegron would be 317 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: able to help us with that. Let's see it appears 318 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: hold on to translate to well, it's so French that 319 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 2: the only results I'm getting are in French. Ben, Wow, 320 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 2: I bet I could tackle a little bit. I bet 321 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: you could. I here we are at the Dutch review, 322 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 2: which I think is the piece, the piece in question 323 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 2: here then, but it does not offer us the translation. 324 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: That is a bonker's long title for a piece of music. God, 325 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 2: if only casey we're here. 326 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: I believe it translates to outside the Chanson of the 327 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: sheltras via sailed by the Prince of Conde. 328 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well done, well done, Ben, I knew, 329 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: I knew you could do it. 330 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: Let's not stop there. Let's figure out what a chanson is. 331 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: A chanson is a musical genre spanning from medieval courtly music. 332 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: So this is outside of the song. 333 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 3: Very confusing, that's very. 334 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: Confus confusing, chass all, I have to imagine that it's pronounced. 335 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 2: But this was actually a pretty controversial pick for a 336 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 2: national anthem at the time because it was considered a 337 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: little too kind of of the upper class and a 338 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 2: national anthem supposed to be for everybody. So at the 339 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: beginning of the nineteenth century, this piece of music, the 340 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: Wilmus was considered unworthy of being the national anthem of 341 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 2: the Netherlands. That was because it was regarded as a 342 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: song specifically for the Orange Royalists, who many folks were 343 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: not a big fan of. 344 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, a lot of people were not a huge 345 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: fan of the royal family at the time, so they 346 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: didn't want to have anything to do with this. Until 347 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: the Nazi occupation of World War two. That's when you 348 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: see cities like Rotterdam completely get their bells rung. And 349 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: that's when you see absolute innocent civilians getting sent wholesale 350 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: into the horrors of concentration camps. 351 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 2: Because of their religious faith. And there you know, obviously, 352 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 2: and everybody knows about this stuff, and it's every time 353 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: you read about it. It just really that happened. It 354 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: wasn't that long ago. 355 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, let us not forget the Jewish people. Let us 356 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: not forget the Roma people, the people of same sex orientation. 357 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: Folks are getting rounded up and they're sent to death 358 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 1: in hellish ways. And the Dutch are trying as a 359 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: culture to find national pride, right to identify in some 360 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: way that has passed this slavery and horror occurring in 361 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: their homelands. So they look to their old symbols and 362 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: they say, ah, right, the vill helmets is maybe not 363 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: that bad? 364 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, apparently. Can I say, Ben, I got a 365 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: call back to a thing that you said off Mike 366 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: when we were looking up something a little peak behind 367 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: the curtain. The idea of ball with Taba by Kid 368 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: Rock kind of becoming a new de facto national anthem 369 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 2: for us here in the United States, I non consensually 370 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 2: I would argue, and in that context, boy Ol Boyd, 371 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 2: is that star spangled banner look pretty just. 372 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 3: Like a banger? Yeah? 373 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: Absolutely sorry, it gave you a hard time history. 374 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 2: So where is Kid? 375 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 3: Where is job rule? 376 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 2: As well? You've seen that video of Kid rocking the 377 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: RFK gets. I don't love it. 378 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: It's still it's a little uncomfortable for me. 379 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: It's a lot uncomfortable. They thought it was cool. It 380 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: is still right? 381 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: Is it not still unusual for us to realize that 382 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: a hymn can be a national anthem? Japan, the nation thereof, 383 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: has a bone to pick about the idea of oldest 384 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: national anthem, because Japan has used a poem which is 385 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: quite short but also older for its anthem, The melody 386 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: just wasn't recorded or wasn't documented until the eighteen hundreds. 387 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: So it depends upon how we define an anthem. Is 388 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: it the poem first, the music first, or is the 389 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: time the lyrics and the music come together. I think 390 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: it's the third one. 391 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 2: I would agree with you, Ben. Moving over to South 392 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 2: Africa and what Max described as probably the most creative 393 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 2: and definitely the hardest national anthem to learn, because it's 394 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: got those cliquies, it's got those those yeah, those little sounds, 395 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: which are not particularly easy. God Bless Africa, writes Jackie 396 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: Bischoff for q Z. The title and first lines of 397 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 2: Enoch Son Tonga's hymn Nkosi Sikeli e Africa may appear 398 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 2: simple to some, but one hundred and twenty years after 399 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 2: it was written, it has become one of the most 400 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: powerful tunes in Africa's history, a symbol to the post 401 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 2: colonial liberation movement used in the past and present post 402 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 2: independence national anthems of South Africa, Tanzania, Zambia, Zimbabwe and Namibia. 403 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a fascinating and inspiring story because Sintaga 404 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: initially wrote this hymn this zilk to him for his 405 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: school choir in eighteen ninety seven. And I want to 406 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: pause there, because, as we have pointed out earlier, it 407 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,239 Speaker 1: is quite difficult for us to pronounce this language. If 408 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: you want to look it up, you're going to look 409 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: for a language spelled Xhosa. 410 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 3: Anyway. 411 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: So he writes this him for a school choir eighteen 412 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: ninety seven. It's inspired, probably in part by the work 413 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: of a poet named Joseph Perry from Wales. This hymn 414 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: becomes popular, other choirs start performing it. Fast forward nineteen twelve, 415 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: it is sung at a meeting of the South African 416 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: Native National Congress, which we now call the African National 417 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: Congress or a n C. 418 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 2: That's right. The A and C adopted the Him as 419 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: an official song in nineteen twenty five as an act 420 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 2: of defiants to the South African government's racist policies towards 421 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: Black Africans, apartheid. This is what we call that. 422 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now it becomes a unifying liberation anthem, right, 423 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: a hymn to an anthem again, and a lot of 424 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: communities that might not have otherwise unified, they agree on 425 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: this song and they we see the streisand effect the 426 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: apartheid government tries to ban anybody from singing this anthem, 427 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: so naturally everybody wants to sing it. Fast forward nineteen 428 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: ninety four, then President Nelson Mandela says, hey, can we 429 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: get a modified version of Sontonga's original hymn and can 430 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: we combine it with the old afrikanor hymn the Call 431 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: of South Africa or dies Steve Vans Africa. 432 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: So interesting Afrikaan language, so much in common with German. 433 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, very much so. And they say, Okay, We're going 434 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: to use these two sources to make a unifying thing, 435 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: a unified national anthem. If you go to the boffins 436 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: over Michigan State, like David Copeland and Benetta Jules Rossette, 437 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: you'll see that they describe it as being composed in 438 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: the form of a blessing offering a message of unity 439 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: and uplift to act morally and spiritually on behalf of 440 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: the entire African continent. 441 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: So it's a beautiful idea, right it is. It really is. 442 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 2: But it does add a level of complexity to it 443 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: that you don't find in most national anthems because of 444 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: the absolute just cornucopia of languages that are spoken in 445 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: this part of the world. 446 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 447 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we as knuckleheaded United Staters or Americans as 448 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: we're sometimes called, we have a hard time learning our 449 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: own national hymn that is just in one language. This 450 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: anthem has five different languages. English is one, but then 451 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: you have Jotsa, you have Zulu, you have Setoto, you 452 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 1: have Africaullans. If you're singing the full anthem, you're supposed 453 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: to sing all five languages because it is about unification. 454 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: Let's get your country singer pal to do that. 455 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 3: One. 456 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: Gosh, that sounds that sounds a little painful. 457 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 3: That's a tall milkshake. 458 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 2: I think, no Pal of mine. She's doing well. 459 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope. 460 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: So we've got a couple other things we wanted to 461 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: get to England's national anthem. We're not necessarily fans. There 462 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: are four nations who cut past vocals. 463 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: In general. 464 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:58,239 Speaker 1: Four nations have national anthems with no words. They are 465 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: San Marino, Coase of our guests from earlier in the episode, 466 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: Bostnia and herzel Viavina, and then of course Spain. I 467 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: don't know why I said of course Spain. I had 468 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: no idea. 469 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 3: I don't know. 470 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's definitely a classy move It's like, 471 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,479 Speaker 2: we don't need lyrics. We can communicate this national pride 472 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: with melody alone. 473 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: Just hear the chord progressions and you'll get what we're about. 474 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it's funny, like a lot of really great 475 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 2: classical music is meant to paint a picture, you know, 476 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 2: without words. Like there's this piece called Themes from the 477 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 2: Maldao that is meant to be the you know. It 478 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 2: starts off with these happy sailors, you know, preparing to 479 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: go on a voyage, and then the next movement of 480 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: the seas begin to royal and get a little more intense, 481 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: and then the next movement it's an outright storm and 482 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: you can really feel all that stuff, even if you 483 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: don't really know that's what it's supposed to be about. 484 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 2: Pretty cool. I love that. 485 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: I love when bands do that as well, bands that 486 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: will ordinarily, you know, have vocals or have a lead vocalist, 487 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: but then there's one track on the album that is 488 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: purely instrumental. I think that's powerful. I'm thinking of, you know, 489 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the bands Beirute. 490 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love I love fully instrumental bands. Explosions in 491 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 2: the Sky, Yeah, tortoise is one of my favorites. And yeah, no, 492 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: I think it's a cool it's a cool idea. 493 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: Well, with this, I do have a question to pose 494 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: to you, No, and to pose to you Max before 495 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: we wrap today's episode. 496 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 2: Are you prepared? I am right, right, okay? 497 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: Could the US change its national anthem? And should it 498 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: to Toba? I jumped the gut. I don't think that's 499 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: with the forties and the chicks with beepers. That doesn't 500 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: resonate you think with the common man. Is it possible 501 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: that we are in a situation I'm I'm going to 502 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: be very political here. Is it possible that we are 503 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: in a situation wah from where a president with a 504 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: predilection for naming stuff after himself would ask for a 505 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: new national anthem featuring him. 506 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 2: Let's just say, let's just change it to God Save 507 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: the King. Oh no, No. To answer your question, Benet, 508 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: it is certainly not outside the realm of possibility. 509 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I Francis Scott Keys is kind of 510 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 4: a pill, so I would not be against getting rid 511 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 4: of stuff. 512 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 2: Just like as a dude. 513 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like not a was not a good person. 514 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 4: But I mean, in this scenario, it sounds like it 515 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 4: would be a downgrade. 516 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: It is also true that forty eight of the fifty 517 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 1: states in the US Union have state songs, and some 518 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: of them have more than one state song. Can we 519 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: guess the state song of Georgia? It is a Devil 520 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: went down to Georgia by the Charlie Daniels band. 521 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 3: It better be Unfortunately, it's Georgia on. 522 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 2: My mind, you know, Okay, look, excellent song. Heard it 523 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 2: too many times? 524 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's like the state song. I can't wait 525 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: to hear more about anthems. I know we are all 526 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: fans of seeing big public performances. Super producer, Max, thank 527 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: you so much for being our research associate on this one. 528 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: And thank you, of course to Alex Williams who composed 529 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: the anthem of ridiculous history, which is instrumental and I's 530 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: just instrumental because we rule. 531 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,719 Speaker 2: Thanks to Chris Frosciotis and the needs Jeff Codes here 532 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 2: at spirits U and man Ben you know, let's just 533 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 2: kut it sure. Thanks to you and with you as well. 534 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, folks. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, 535 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 2: visit the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen 536 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,479 Speaker 2: to your favorite shows.