WEBVTT - Neil Young, Part Two 0:00:15.436 --> 0:00:36.756 Pushkin. Now that you found yourself losing your mind? Are 0:00:36.876 --> 0:00:47.676 you here again finding that book you want to start? 0:00:48.956 --> 0:00:56.716 Real is Gone and Change. Welcome to part two of 0:00:56.796 --> 0:01:00.756 Rick Rubin's conversation with Neil Young Unbroken Record. We just 0:01:00.836 --> 0:01:02.796 heard some of Neil's song I Believe in You from 0:01:02.796 --> 0:01:06.556 his nineteen seventy masterpiece After the gold Rush. It's one 0:01:06.596 --> 0:01:09.756 of Rick's favorite songs on his favorite Neil album. It's 0:01:09.756 --> 0:01:12.676 a song that inspired a mystical experience for Rick that 0:01:12.716 --> 0:01:16.236 he'll try put it into words this episode. It's also 0:01:16.276 --> 0:01:18.596 one of only two songs on that album to feature 0:01:18.636 --> 0:01:22.756 Crazy Horse, the band Neil used exclusively on his newest album, Barn. 0:01:23.836 --> 0:01:26.516 Rick talks to Neil about his new album, the sessions 0:01:26.516 --> 0:01:29.356 for After the gold Rush, and when he started organizing 0:01:29.436 --> 0:01:45.996 his massive archives. This is Broken Record liner notes for 0:01:46.036 --> 0:01:53.716 the Digital Age. I'm justin Richmond. Here's part two of 0:01:53.796 --> 0:01:56.836 Rick Rubin with Neil Young over Zoom was After the 0:01:56.836 --> 0:02:00.156 gold Rush? The first thing you recorded at home? Yeah, 0:02:00.196 --> 0:02:03.436 I recorded in that house in Japan. I love that one. 0:02:03.516 --> 0:02:07.196 That's maybe maybe my favorite. Yeah. I love that one too. 0:02:07.716 --> 0:02:10.156 I love the fact that Bonn is related to it. 0:02:10.196 --> 0:02:13.236 In some of you ago ye put my finger on. 0:02:14.196 --> 0:02:16.076 But it is related to it's a lot of the 0:02:16.156 --> 0:02:19.796 same people. Niles is all over after the gold Rush. 0:02:19.956 --> 0:02:22.436 There's a lot of piano playing on after the gold Rush, 0:02:23.196 --> 0:02:25.916 either me or knows. That's the same thing with barn 0:02:26.796 --> 0:02:30.036 It's interesting the way that moved out. Yeah, is the 0:02:30.076 --> 0:02:34.916 song I Believe in You about a particular person. That 0:02:34.956 --> 0:02:39.796 song was written probably in nineteen seventy and guessing maybe 0:02:39.796 --> 0:02:43.556 a little earlier. It was written around the time I 0:02:43.716 --> 0:02:48.196 joined sn one and I had written it around that 0:02:48.276 --> 0:02:54.876 time along with birds, and I had come up with 0:02:54.956 --> 0:02:59.396 this arrangement of all lunch and me and I did 0:02:59.436 --> 0:03:05.076 all those three tracks at sunset Sound in the morning 0:03:06.116 --> 0:03:10.556 with Crazy Horse before I would go. But it stills. 0:03:10.636 --> 0:03:13.796 This house to practice was cs and one, so I 0:03:13.876 --> 0:03:18.196 recorded those then then after the CSNY tour and after 0:03:18.236 --> 0:03:21.356 all about I still have all those and that's why 0:03:21.396 --> 0:03:23.796 they're on after the gold Rush, because that's when I 0:03:23.876 --> 0:03:27.236 recorded after the goal. I see, do you remember who 0:03:27.236 --> 0:03:28.916 the song was about? Was it about a person or 0:03:28.996 --> 0:03:35.956 is it abstract? I'm really sure of the person, and 0:03:36.076 --> 0:03:39.396 a lot of cases it's me mixed up with someone else. 0:03:40.236 --> 0:03:43.756 So some of my feelings about now that you found 0:03:43.796 --> 0:03:48.476 yourself losing your mind, how you here again? Finding the 0:03:48.596 --> 0:03:53.076 one one thought was real was gone and changing. But 0:03:53.196 --> 0:03:55.676 then it's this other thing, now that you made yourself 0:03:55.756 --> 0:03:59.716 love me. It's like it's a funny song, isn't it. 0:03:59.716 --> 0:04:06.116 It's a really good one, first of all song. A 0:04:06.196 --> 0:04:10.356 lot of guys can relate to that. Yeah, you've made 0:04:10.356 --> 0:04:12.756 yourself love me because you can't forget all of things 0:04:13.316 --> 0:04:17.716 happened before. It's funny. I can't remember if I ever 0:04:17.796 --> 0:04:20.316 told you the story, but I had a near death 0:04:20.396 --> 0:04:24.516 experience to that song. Wow. I was driving was a 0:04:24.836 --> 0:04:28.196 full moon, and there's a time of year. I don't 0:04:28.236 --> 0:04:29.796 know the time of year, but there's a time of 0:04:29.916 --> 0:04:33.556 year when you're driving from Malibu into town when there's 0:04:33.676 --> 0:04:37.876 a very big full moon, big where it looks like 0:04:38.516 --> 0:04:42.236 it's very close, Yeah, and it's sitting right on the horizon, 0:04:42.276 --> 0:04:46.036 and it's you can't believe how big it is. It's surreal. Yeah, 0:04:46.116 --> 0:04:48.636 when you're close to the horizon may appear to be 0:04:48.796 --> 0:04:52.036 much bigger than when they get in the sky. So 0:04:52.236 --> 0:04:55.556 I'm driving on PCH and I get onto the ten 0:04:55.796 --> 0:04:58.116 and I'm listening. I'm listening to that album and that 0:04:58.196 --> 0:05:01.116 song comes on and something happens. And it's funny when 0:05:01.116 --> 0:05:02.996 I say near death, because I don't really know how 0:05:03.036 --> 0:05:06.596 to describe it, but I have a feeling. I would 0:05:06.596 --> 0:05:10.236 call it a positive feeling. I had to pull off 0:05:10.236 --> 0:05:14.196 the side of the road because I couldn't drive, and 0:05:14.676 --> 0:05:17.596 I felt like this, this is not the right way 0:05:17.636 --> 0:05:20.196 to say it. The song did. The song affected me 0:05:20.236 --> 0:05:24.116 in a way that took me out of myself where 0:05:24.516 --> 0:05:28.076 I relate it to dying because I was no longer here, 0:05:28.636 --> 0:05:31.636 I was gone, and it was a little scary, but 0:05:31.676 --> 0:05:36.116 it was also beautiful. It was it wasn't bad. It 0:05:36.236 --> 0:05:39.076 was scary, but it wasn't bad. It was not negative 0:05:39.796 --> 0:05:41.476 and um and that's the only time it happened to 0:05:41.516 --> 0:05:43.436 me in my life, that song. So I asked about 0:05:43.436 --> 0:05:47.156 that song, but it hit me in a very very 0:05:47.236 --> 0:05:50.716 hard way. That's in that song. I feel it. I 0:05:50.756 --> 0:05:54.716 don't know why it is, but I feel it too. Yeah. 0:05:55.036 --> 0:05:57.556 I can't put my finger on where it is in 0:05:57.596 --> 0:06:01.356 the song, but I think it's uh, finding that what 0:06:01.396 --> 0:06:05.436 you once thought was real was gone and changing. You know, 0:06:05.876 --> 0:06:09.916 how can I place you above me? Yeah? Incredible. It 0:06:10.036 --> 0:06:13.356 just all came out so fast it's that's why you 0:06:13.716 --> 0:06:17.636 That's how real writers, in my view, have nothing to 0:06:17.676 --> 0:06:20.836 do with what they're writing their vessels, you know. They 0:06:20.956 --> 0:06:23.556 just they're in the right place at the right time. 0:06:24.076 --> 0:06:28.356 They know how to be to not scare the song. 0:06:29.116 --> 0:06:31.596 It's like we're trying to catch your rabbits, and you 0:06:31.636 --> 0:06:34.356 don't hang out at the hole and look down the hole. 0:06:35.396 --> 0:06:39.076 You've got to be, you know, blending and in school, 0:06:39.316 --> 0:06:42.516 I'm a tree. I'm you know, I'm a part of 0:06:42.556 --> 0:06:45.196 what's going on and not looking. I'm not looking at 0:06:45.196 --> 0:06:48.036 the hole by seeing anything over there. I might take 0:06:48.076 --> 0:06:50.796 a look, maybe I'm maybe I won't whatever. It's that 0:06:50.876 --> 0:06:54.596 kind of an attitude about music, not being too serious 0:06:54.636 --> 0:06:58.036 about catching the power of the song is incredible. And 0:06:58.116 --> 0:07:02.396 now even talking about it, I can feel change in 0:07:02.436 --> 0:07:05.796 my body just talking about, not hearing it, just discussing it. 0:07:05.796 --> 0:07:09.036 It's there's some there's a lot of juju in that song. 0:07:09.836 --> 0:07:13.636 Yeah there is. There's a version of birds, but if 0:07:13.636 --> 0:07:17.316 you listen to it, it's Danny Whitten's on that song too. 0:07:17.916 --> 0:07:20.516 That's one of the last great records that I made 0:07:20.516 --> 0:07:23.716 with Danny. So he's playing all the guitar stuff for 0:07:24.436 --> 0:07:29.596 nice Little things. I remember that making that quite a lot. 0:07:30.196 --> 0:07:31.756 It was one of the first songs that I've used 0:07:31.756 --> 0:07:34.716 the vibes on. There's a lot of things that I 0:07:34.756 --> 0:07:38.596 did on that record that been doing ever since I 0:07:38.596 --> 0:07:42.836 haven't done before. So that was an important record to me. Definitely. 0:07:43.356 --> 0:07:46.036 I'm glad you got connected to it. Yeah, the song 0:07:46.076 --> 0:07:48.956 that we talked about earlier from the new album with 0:07:49.076 --> 0:07:52.556 stars in it, Welcome Back. I can't say it gives 0:07:52.596 --> 0:07:56.156 me a feeling like that, but it's not the same 0:07:56.196 --> 0:08:02.236 experience at all, but it definitely pulls me in somewhere deep. Now. 0:08:02.596 --> 0:08:06.836 It's wild. I think when the stars are watching to 0:08:07.036 --> 0:08:11.156 see how you how you are, It's like the stars 0:08:11.156 --> 0:08:14.516 are watching you to see how you are, so you 0:08:14.596 --> 0:08:17.996 feel this connection. Something cares about me seems to be 0:08:18.276 --> 0:08:22.276 one of the stars. So there's that little part of it. 0:08:22.316 --> 0:08:24.876 Because I wrote it so fast, I can remember how 0:08:24.876 --> 0:08:29.196 I did it. Literally, those songs happened really fast. You 0:08:29.236 --> 0:08:31.956 can tell there's somebody run on sentences to just go 0:08:32.076 --> 0:08:35.196 on and on and on, and then they the playing 0:08:35.356 --> 0:08:39.676 The horse plays great on that song. They're so connected 0:08:39.756 --> 0:08:42.756 to the song. And in the movie you can hear 0:08:42.876 --> 0:08:46.676 Ralph saying that's the ship afterwards. That's a ship, do 0:08:46.756 --> 0:08:49.396 you know how to get Neil was really doing this shit. 0:08:49.476 --> 0:08:52.036 That was our ship, that's what we do. And he 0:08:52.236 --> 0:08:55.516 was a little bit you could tell he was just 0:08:55.596 --> 0:08:59.436 a little off, a little niff because everybody wasn't going, 0:08:59.596 --> 0:09:02.716 what a great book a record, Jesus, you know. Ralph 0:09:02.796 --> 0:09:06.156 was going, that was the ship, you know, and I 0:09:06.596 --> 0:09:09.516 even I I wasn't sure if that was it, or 0:09:09.516 --> 0:09:11.596 if it was the one before it, or because we 0:09:11.676 --> 0:09:13.796 only played it. I think we played it once the 0:09:13.876 --> 0:09:16.196 day before and twice that day and that was it. 0:09:16.996 --> 0:09:20.036 I think that was the last time, maybe the second 0:09:20.116 --> 0:09:24.036 last time. It's amazing, just the feeling, the feeling and 0:09:24.076 --> 0:09:27.436 the track. And it's also interesting because it's not really 0:09:27.516 --> 0:09:31.036 like a song, like you said, the run on sentences 0:09:31.076 --> 0:09:34.796 and it's more like a direct transmission of some kind. 0:09:34.956 --> 0:09:38.836 You know. It doesn't have to fit in the structure 0:09:38.916 --> 0:09:43.756 of how a song works because it's something different exactly. Yeah, 0:09:43.876 --> 0:09:47.676 I know it was somewhere else. That one. That's Darryll's favorite. 0:09:47.836 --> 0:09:50.956 It's mine too. She loved it since the first time 0:09:51.036 --> 0:09:54.756 she heard it, and I you know, when it was fresh, 0:09:54.796 --> 0:09:58.396 it was everybody was going, oh wow, what about that one? 0:09:58.516 --> 0:10:01.556 And there's another one about a guy waiting on his 0:10:01.636 --> 0:10:04.516 porch for somebody to make a delivery, and that's got 0:10:04.836 --> 0:10:08.276 some some ambience, but it doesn't have the same depth. 0:10:08.316 --> 0:10:12.196 But its just a very casual ambience that that is 0:10:12.236 --> 0:10:18.716 similar to that AMBIANCELF exactly. And I being geographically oriented 0:10:18.836 --> 0:10:23.076 myself to the music and where it is and when 0:10:23.116 --> 0:10:26.276 it is, I feel that the Barn has more of 0:10:26.316 --> 0:10:29.316 that in it. Yeah, so I'm going to go probably 0:10:29.436 --> 0:10:34.316 back to the Barn. Yeah, I've written some more songs 0:10:34.676 --> 0:10:38.956 that I'm working on. Strangely enough, I've written one song. 0:10:39.076 --> 0:10:41.916 The first song that I wrote that would have gone 0:10:41.916 --> 0:10:47.236 on Barn, I forgot. I didn't even do it, So 0:10:47.276 --> 0:10:49.396 I'm gonna do that on the next one. And probably 0:10:49.716 --> 0:10:52.756 you know, just because it's it was an honest forget. 0:10:52.956 --> 0:10:55.316 It wasn't like I waited for anything. So I might 0:10:55.396 --> 0:10:58.236 still be good, it might be fine. It's fresh, It's 0:10:58.276 --> 0:11:01.396 never been fun. I've never played it with anybody, but 0:11:01.436 --> 0:11:04.476 I know what it is. It's it's called break the chain. 0:11:04.956 --> 0:11:09.156 Do the songs from the time you write them and 0:11:09.156 --> 0:11:12.516 then you record them, how much do they change in 0:11:12.556 --> 0:11:15.476 that from the from the thing that comes in to 0:11:15.596 --> 0:11:18.036 the thing that happens in the recording that we get 0:11:18.076 --> 0:11:25.396 to hear. Nothing changes except during the performance. During the performance, 0:11:25.436 --> 0:11:28.796 if we hit the right whatever it is, the mantra, 0:11:28.996 --> 0:11:31.796 the note, the rhythm, whatever you want to call it, 0:11:31.916 --> 0:11:35.916 the ambiance, if we hit that vibe in the right place, 0:11:36.636 --> 0:11:39.636 it opens up the window and changes start flooding in. 0:11:40.436 --> 0:11:43.276 Improvisation start flooding in, and they all fit like a 0:11:43.396 --> 0:11:47.596 vlove and everything's cool. And as long as as long 0:11:47.636 --> 0:11:53.676 as I don't think, Yeah, poison, think thinking is you're thinking, 0:11:53.716 --> 0:12:00.276 you're thinking. Somebody said that there's no thinking. So if 0:12:00.276 --> 0:12:03.476 that happens again, we'll get we'll get something. And I 0:12:03.556 --> 0:12:06.316 had another song that I so I have that one 0:12:06.356 --> 0:12:11.076 and another one that I've written that there's probably going 0:12:11.156 --> 0:12:14.196 to be ones, you know if I if I end 0:12:14.276 --> 0:12:17.596 up doing it, I hope I do. It's almost like 0:12:17.676 --> 0:12:21.596 poison to talk about it. Yeah, because it's not done. 0:12:22.036 --> 0:12:26.036 I mean, it's not played, written, but I won't touch 0:12:26.076 --> 0:12:30.076 it or look at it until I'm playing it with craziness, 0:12:30.556 --> 0:12:35.836 so it will be preserved. Yeah, it may develop into something. 0:12:35.876 --> 0:12:38.956 When I played with the horse, We'll be right back 0:12:38.956 --> 0:12:45.476 with more from Neil Young After a quick break, we're 0:12:45.476 --> 0:12:48.476 back with Rick Rubin and Neil Young. When did you 0:12:48.516 --> 0:12:51.956 start recording around the full moon? I would probably happened 0:12:52.316 --> 0:12:57.996 about early sentence. Was it based on something you heard 0:12:58.116 --> 0:13:02.036 or something that you felt, or what started it? One 0:13:02.116 --> 0:13:05.356 day I felt like I just played some music and 0:13:05.396 --> 0:13:08.836 I felt great and everything's good and it's really good. 0:13:09.396 --> 0:13:13.516 I remember feeling good that morning, feeling good about everything, 0:13:13.556 --> 0:13:16.716 wanting to play more music, just being into it and 0:13:16.876 --> 0:13:19.796 feeling like it's going to be good. And played them. 0:13:20.076 --> 0:13:22.796 It was great, it was one was good. And then 0:13:22.916 --> 0:13:26.036 a while later I got that feeling again. That happened, 0:13:26.076 --> 0:13:28.236 you know, a month or so later, and then a 0:13:28.236 --> 0:13:31.396 couple of months and I felt it again. I want 0:13:31.436 --> 0:13:34.596 to get back in stem, play with play with somebody again, 0:13:35.116 --> 0:13:39.796 with the horse or whatever. And then I started wondering why. 0:13:39.996 --> 0:13:43.596 And then I started realizing, and I had a chronological 0:13:43.716 --> 0:13:46.396 record for my work, and I said, well, why don't 0:13:46.436 --> 0:13:49.956 I just go back see if there's any correlation between 0:13:49.996 --> 0:13:53.116 the ones that have got this feeling and the ones 0:13:53.276 --> 0:13:56.956 that you know in the time of day or the 0:13:57.036 --> 0:14:00.036 time of months. And that's when I realized that there's 0:14:00.076 --> 0:14:06.356 a window of opportunity that opens somewhere in the two 0:14:06.396 --> 0:14:10.036 week period, perhaps the ten day period four or full moon. 0:14:10.516 --> 0:14:12.796 It sort of starts coming and you can feel it. 0:14:13.156 --> 0:14:14.836 And if you're open to it, you can feel it. 0:14:14.876 --> 0:14:17.836 If you're not, if you're judging and trying to decide, well, 0:14:17.996 --> 0:14:21.236 is this it or not, I'm looking for proof, I mean, forget. 0:14:21.756 --> 0:14:24.596 So I was trying to be open to that. I 0:14:24.716 --> 0:14:27.996 looked at my records, but I had, which we're pretty 0:14:28.036 --> 0:14:30.756 primitive at the time, one of things will record it, 0:14:31.236 --> 0:14:35.676 and then later again and again and again through the years, 0:14:35.836 --> 0:14:40.756 I look kept looking, kept not that it's concisely perfect, 0:14:41.596 --> 0:14:45.956 but it seems that there's always something going on in 0:14:45.996 --> 0:14:51.156 the sky. There's also the new moon. When there's no moon, 0:14:51.596 --> 0:14:55.316 it's just a sliver. You start seeing it, something happens, 0:14:55.436 --> 0:14:59.916 you feel a change in your attitude. And then I said, well, 0:14:59.996 --> 0:15:02.396 that's got to have something to do it. Something. So 0:15:02.636 --> 0:15:04.876 I started, you know, looking at that way, and then 0:15:05.356 --> 0:15:08.556 you know, I'm mostly just guessing that. I'm saying, I 0:15:08.676 --> 0:15:11.796 think that the full moon that's allowed to do with it. Yeah. 0:15:12.236 --> 0:15:18.516 There's a song called human Race on Umbarns that's about 0:15:18.556 --> 0:15:21.836 the fires and floods. The children of the fires and floods. 0:15:21.836 --> 0:15:25.516 It's about all of them. But that's going on, and well, 0:15:25.556 --> 0:15:28.596 I can't we come together and stop it? Why can't 0:15:28.596 --> 0:15:31.436 we all come together and deal with this thing that's 0:15:31.476 --> 0:15:36.076 happening to us. The solo on that song was particularly fiery. 0:15:36.116 --> 0:15:38.996 I remember that was probably for me, the best solo 0:15:39.036 --> 0:15:41.836 on the album. On that song, yeah, I think you're 0:15:41.876 --> 0:15:44.916 I think you're probably right now. That was done three 0:15:44.996 --> 0:15:48.676 hours after the full moon. Yeah, the song was written 0:15:49.156 --> 0:15:51.956 in the out in a one or two hours before 0:15:51.996 --> 0:15:54.596 the full moon. The full moon was at eleven o'clock 0:15:54.876 --> 0:15:58.916 eleven thirty that more. Yeah, So as I was walking 0:15:58.996 --> 0:16:03.596 to the studio, which I do every processive open Field 0:16:04.196 --> 0:16:06.596 to go to mont Walk, I had a piece of 0:16:06.596 --> 0:16:10.676 paper and a pencil usually carrying. I had this, just 0:16:10.796 --> 0:16:14.756 come up with a couple of changes, and now I 0:16:15.316 --> 0:16:18.676 might have something on those or they're just changes that 0:16:18.676 --> 0:16:20.436 you've got to do with the sides the horse and 0:16:20.596 --> 0:16:22.676 think much about it. And then I wrote all the 0:16:22.716 --> 0:16:25.196 words on the way there. And we even played that 0:16:25.316 --> 0:16:28.316 song once. There's like three or four songs on this 0:16:28.436 --> 0:16:32.116 record that only have them played once. Wow. Yeah, it's interesting. 0:16:32.156 --> 0:16:35.356 It's a different approach. I try to find that moment 0:16:35.556 --> 0:16:39.196 and I don't really care about everything. Therefore, there's lots 0:16:39.196 --> 0:16:42.756 of unfinished records and lots of things that I just 0:16:43.276 --> 0:16:47.116 put down, made a rough, kept on moving at other 0:16:47.156 --> 0:16:51.636 things to do. Yeah, now I'm finding amazing. Would you 0:16:51.636 --> 0:16:54.916 say your relationship to those songs have changed over time 0:16:55.076 --> 0:16:58.196 or when you listen to them, is it like, does 0:16:58.196 --> 0:17:00.516 it bring you back to where you were? Or tell 0:17:00.556 --> 0:17:02.116 me what happens? Tell me what it's like to hear 0:17:02.156 --> 0:17:04.036 something you haven't heard in forty years that you that 0:17:04.116 --> 0:17:07.516 you recorded. Well, I know if I listen to I 0:17:07.636 --> 0:17:09.596 believe it's going to feel just like I did the 0:17:09.676 --> 0:17:13.676 day I did it. Yeah, So songs like that, records 0:17:13.756 --> 0:17:17.276 that have got that thing, whatever it is, they never 0:17:17.356 --> 0:17:19.956 lose it. They have it right for you. Don't get 0:17:19.996 --> 0:17:22.876 tired of it. I mean it did nothing but listen 0:17:22.956 --> 0:17:25.836 to that song and I get tired. Come back to it. 0:17:26.396 --> 0:17:30.636 Your first breath of it is great. Yeah, it feels 0:17:30.676 --> 0:17:33.076 like it always did to me. It does, and I 0:17:33.196 --> 0:17:35.956 think that feeling in my body and I know, okay, 0:17:36.156 --> 0:17:39.516 there it is. It's it's interesting and some people you 0:17:39.596 --> 0:17:43.236 try to explain that to anyone think crazy. We start 0:17:43.276 --> 0:17:46.796 on Monday. And stop on Friday. You don't waste any 0:17:46.796 --> 0:17:53.156 time during the week in the Fire and Flood song. 0:17:53.356 --> 0:17:56.556 It has Uh, it feels like biblical imagery. Did you 0:17:56.596 --> 0:17:58.076 grow up in the church? Was that it was it 0:17:58.116 --> 0:18:01.676 intentional to be biblical? No, But I think what happened 0:18:01.796 --> 0:18:04.996 is when we put those vocals on it. I sang 0:18:05.036 --> 0:18:11.636 the song Love and then we put the today children 0:18:11.716 --> 0:18:16.636 of the Fires, and that's definitely got a church vibe. Yeah, 0:18:17.076 --> 0:18:21.116 but choir singing and there's you know, Billy's voice and 0:18:21.276 --> 0:18:26.916 Ralph's voice singing, and you talk about a savior, you 0:18:26.956 --> 0:18:28.996 talk about a savior, and like there's a lot of 0:18:29.036 --> 0:18:33.036 words that are definitely feel like they come from a 0:18:33.036 --> 0:18:37.396 biblical place. It's interesting it happened so fast. I am more. 0:18:37.556 --> 0:18:40.356 I don't know, Yeah, because I was writing while I 0:18:40.396 --> 0:18:44.036 was walking, and I never even I never wasn't singing it. 0:18:44.396 --> 0:18:46.436 I was just writing it down and then I put 0:18:46.436 --> 0:18:48.796 it back in my pocket. I couldn't think of anything. 0:18:48.916 --> 0:18:51.836 I didn't try to. I just put it away. Yeah, 0:18:51.876 --> 0:18:54.196 and then when I waited, something else came along. I 0:18:54.236 --> 0:18:58.236 started writing. I never I always just try to catch 0:18:58.316 --> 0:19:02.396 what tones. I'm not trying to make any enough. Yeah, 0:19:02.876 --> 0:19:05.236 There's another one that I really love on the new 0:19:05.236 --> 0:19:07.356 album is again. I don't know the title, but it's 0:19:07.716 --> 0:19:14.436 it's a complicated thing. Oh yeah, it's so complete. Coming 0:19:14.556 --> 0:19:18.676 through the years. Yeah, coming through the years without your love, 0:19:18.876 --> 0:19:21.276 it's like a it's like a thought of what it 0:19:21.316 --> 0:19:24.196 would be like, what it's like to have a great, 0:19:25.236 --> 0:19:28.076 you know, partner that helps you and loves you and 0:19:28.156 --> 0:19:32.316 supports you and understands you, and it's there for you. 0:19:32.436 --> 0:19:36.316 And if you can be part of your life and 0:19:36.556 --> 0:19:39.716 understand her and put it back and get it back 0:19:39.756 --> 0:19:44.076 in the same way, try to and do that. And 0:19:44.396 --> 0:19:48.236 it's about that kind of field. It's, you know, coming 0:19:48.276 --> 0:19:52.516 through the years without your love, it's it's it's imagining 0:19:52.636 --> 0:19:56.036 what it would be like, but not even imagine just 0:19:56.116 --> 0:19:59.596 going no, let's not do that coming through the years 0:19:59.596 --> 0:20:02.116 about you. I'd rather be rich your love for me 0:20:02.276 --> 0:20:05.156 a few years. So that's just the thing about how 0:20:05.236 --> 0:20:10.076 lucky I feel, how good it is, also how scary 0:20:10.156 --> 0:20:13.476 it is that it could be not dead, because I've 0:20:13.476 --> 0:20:17.876 been in both places. That one songwriting wise, is different 0:20:17.876 --> 0:20:21.116 in that it feels more like a traditional It almost 0:20:21.196 --> 0:20:25.396 sounds like a sixties pop song. Yeah, it's not presented 0:20:25.436 --> 0:20:31.596 that way, but songwriting wise, it feels very traditional and beautiful. Well. Thanks. 0:20:31.636 --> 0:20:35.436 The other one that's like that is Don't Forget Love. Yeah, 0:20:35.836 --> 0:20:39.196 that's like a C A minor F June seventh, over 0:20:39.276 --> 0:20:43.956 and over in class. It's just like what so yeah, 0:20:44.196 --> 0:20:47.556 But I couldn't stop playing and I and that song 0:20:47.596 --> 0:20:50.036 took me a couple of months. I'm going this is 0:20:50.076 --> 0:20:53.916 so jive, this song is I cannot I'm going away, 0:20:54.196 --> 0:20:57.316 and I come by the piano again and I start playing. Wow, 0:20:57.876 --> 0:21:00.036 I love these changes. And you know they're not new, 0:21:00.436 --> 0:21:02.396 but I love them and it doesn't matter that they're 0:21:02.436 --> 0:21:06.796 not new, because I'm not new. Eat. Yes, yes, And 0:21:06.916 --> 0:21:10.756 I started just writing words and came. They came slowly, 0:21:11.036 --> 0:21:13.756 but I didn't work out of My house is set 0:21:13.796 --> 0:21:15.876 up in such a way that I have to go 0:21:16.036 --> 0:21:18.276 buy the piano a lot to get from A to B. 0:21:18.916 --> 0:21:20.836 So on my way from A to B or B 0:21:21.036 --> 0:21:23.156 to A, I can stop at the piano and just 0:21:23.236 --> 0:21:28.076 think for a little bit. You never know, you never know. 0:21:28.636 --> 0:21:31.436 You have a song on the new album where you proclaim, 0:21:32.156 --> 0:21:36.796 you proclaim your American status. It feels like a proudly 0:21:36.836 --> 0:21:39.436 American song and even in the context of the song. 0:21:39.436 --> 0:21:42.756 You mentioned that you came from Canada, but you're an American, Yeah, 0:21:42.796 --> 0:21:45.876 And what was your view when you lived in Canada? 0:21:45.916 --> 0:21:48.516 What was your view of America? It was a long 0:21:48.556 --> 0:21:52.596 way away. I I was. I was up in Canada, 0:21:52.636 --> 0:21:56.396 and I heard about America and I saw some great music. 0:21:56.636 --> 0:21:59.156 It came from down there. And then when I started 0:21:59.196 --> 0:22:01.956 playing my music and going to high school and playing 0:22:01.956 --> 0:22:03.476 in my band, and you and this, and then I 0:22:03.516 --> 0:22:06.556 decided to stop going to school and just play music. 0:22:06.636 --> 0:22:11.716 And I went off towards Toronto town by Town, then 0:22:11.796 --> 0:22:15.756 into Toronto, and I met a couple of Americans in 0:22:15.956 --> 0:22:20.356 bands playing the clubs on the way. So I became 0:22:20.516 --> 0:22:22.556 enamored of going down there to see what it was 0:22:22.596 --> 0:22:25.676 all about myself. And then I ended up according for 0:22:25.796 --> 0:22:28.516 Motown for a while. You know, that was an adventure 0:22:28.556 --> 0:22:32.276 with Rickie James. I was from that that didn't work out. 0:22:32.356 --> 0:22:35.476 That was gonna be really good. But that's when they 0:22:35.556 --> 0:22:39.676 caught right for draft gudging, Yeah, putting the jail and 0:22:39.836 --> 0:22:43.276 did something and screwed up Armiston. So as soon as 0:22:43.396 --> 0:22:47.356 he got arrested, then the Motown deal went away, and 0:22:47.556 --> 0:22:50.316 you were down They didn't want us without him, and 0:22:50.716 --> 0:22:53.756 uh for good reasons. He was the least aaron. He 0:22:53.916 --> 0:22:56.236 was a lot of the band. But I went, We 0:22:56.356 --> 0:23:01.156 went Faullmer and I went back to Toronto and sold 0:23:01.196 --> 0:23:04.916 all of our equipment and bought this hearse and got 0:23:04.996 --> 0:23:07.756 ready to travel to Los Angeles to start over again 0:23:07.836 --> 0:23:10.676 without just turned the BA agent. See what happened. So 0:23:10.836 --> 0:23:14.316 we got We sold all the stuff which didn't belong 0:23:14.396 --> 0:23:17.796 to us. So we sold the stuff that this investor 0:23:17.916 --> 0:23:21.356 had bought for the band, all the equipment, and you 0:23:21.476 --> 0:23:24.596 sold all all of that, bought the hearse and left town. 0:23:26.236 --> 0:23:32.476 We were good boys. We were following ourselves, following He 0:23:32.676 --> 0:23:36.236 wasn't missing any money. And somebody did that to me today, 0:23:36.636 --> 0:23:39.956 it wouldn't be a killing it so it wouldn't matter 0:23:40.036 --> 0:23:43.516 that much to me. But it wasn't a nice thing 0:23:43.556 --> 0:23:45.556 to do, but we did. Then we were headed for 0:23:45.796 --> 0:23:48.676 la Before that, I'd been to New York and did 0:23:48.756 --> 0:23:52.316 a demo at Electra Saw in New York. I remember, 0:23:52.876 --> 0:23:55.956 you know, trying to carry my twin Reverb down to 0:23:56.036 --> 0:23:59.556 the bus station from from the village. It was a 0:23:59.676 --> 0:24:02.356 long way and I just didn't have any money. So 0:24:02.516 --> 0:24:05.796 we got there. But that that was my previous New 0:24:05.916 --> 0:24:09.676 York City experience, and then I got to I really 0:24:09.756 --> 0:24:13.276 had when you arrived in April Fools Day in nineteen 0:24:13.436 --> 0:24:19.316 sixty six. And nothing's changed since we're still on the 0:24:19.436 --> 0:24:23.756 same role. So when did you realize you were enamored 0:24:23.796 --> 0:24:26.916 with America? You came down here, you started a band 0:24:26.996 --> 0:24:30.036 with Stills. When did you start feeling like I'm an American? 0:24:30.116 --> 0:24:34.116 When did that happen? Well, it was obvious I was 0:24:35.036 --> 0:24:40.756 being American. I was paying taxes, I was playing all 0:24:40.836 --> 0:24:45.356 over America for Americans. And you know, the one thing 0:24:45.396 --> 0:24:47.876 about me was I was a Canadian. So when I 0:24:48.036 --> 0:24:49.716 came out when the song, I came up with that 0:24:49.876 --> 0:24:52.836 thing where I said, I'm a Canarican, a different thing. 0:24:53.836 --> 0:24:55.876 That's what I the only way I could describe myself 0:24:55.956 --> 0:24:59.156 at that point. So if it all worked out and 0:24:59.276 --> 0:25:03.156 it's it's cool now now I am Athmerica. I got 0:25:03.236 --> 0:25:06.876 my mom. It's a paper and I had to take 0:25:06.916 --> 0:25:10.396 the test place. I answered all the questions the first time, 0:25:11.076 --> 0:25:14.716 and they realized after that, but they stricted taking the 0:25:14.836 --> 0:25:17.116 test and really kept track of what I was saying, 0:25:17.476 --> 0:25:20.156