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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Now that you found yourself losing your mind? Are

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Speaker 1: you here again finding that book you want to start?

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Speaker 1: Real is Gone and Change. Welcome to part two of

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Speaker 1: Rick Rubin's conversation with Neil Young Unbroken Record. We just

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Speaker 1: his nineteen seventy masterpiece After the gold Rush. It's one

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Speaker 1: for After the gold Rush, and when he started organizing

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Speaker 1: his massive archives. This is Broken Record liner notes for

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Speaker 1: the Digital Age. I'm justin Richmond. Here's part two of

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Speaker 1: Rick Rubin with Neil Young over Zoom was After the

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Speaker 1: gold Rush? The first thing you recorded at home? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But it is related to it's a lot of the

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of piano playing on after the gold Rush,

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Speaker 1: is it abstract? I'm really sure of the person, and

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Speaker 1: So some of my feelings about now that you found

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Speaker 1: yourself love me because you can't forget all of things

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Speaker 1: happened before. It's funny. I can't remember if I ever

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Speaker 1: told you the story, but I had a near death

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Speaker 1: I say near death, because I don't really know how

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Speaker 1: It was one of the first songs that I've used

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Speaker 1: When I played with the horse, We'll be right back

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Speaker 1: with more from Neil Young After a quick break, we're

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Speaker 1: back with Rick Rubin and Neil Young. When did you

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Speaker 1: that you are to say. Yeah, so if you say

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Speaker 1: it now you're liable for it. But before they accepted it,

426
00:26:43,556 --> 00:26:45,156
Speaker 1: so you just got to leave it where it was.

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00:26:45,836 --> 00:26:49,076
Speaker 1: That was very interesting In the song, you say you

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Speaker 1: see changes coming to this country. Do you view this

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Speaker 1: as an optimistic song or pessimistic song? Well, I think

430
00:26:55,556 --> 00:26:59,876
Speaker 1: it's an observance. It's not so much optimistic or I

431
00:26:59,996 --> 00:27:03,516
Speaker 1: don't think change is bad. Yeah, I think changes come

432
00:27:03,556 --> 00:27:05,636
Speaker 1: into this country or what could be happening here in

433
00:27:05,716 --> 00:27:08,316
Speaker 1: this country could ultimately end up being the best thing

434
00:27:08,396 --> 00:27:12,716
Speaker 1: that ever happened to America, where we discover that it

435
00:27:12,916 --> 00:27:16,476
Speaker 1: matters who we are, that it matters that we have beliefs,

436
00:27:17,356 --> 00:27:19,436
Speaker 1: that matters that we have a code of right and

437
00:27:19,556 --> 00:27:22,996
Speaker 1: wrong and what's true and what isn't true, and the

438
00:27:23,196 --> 00:27:27,396
Speaker 1: truth matters, all these things that you know that you

439
00:27:27,516 --> 00:27:30,916
Speaker 1: think is part of being an Americans to be forthright

440
00:27:31,036 --> 00:27:33,956
Speaker 1: and strong in your convictions and what it is and

441
00:27:34,476 --> 00:27:36,836
Speaker 1: say what you mean and stand behind it, and stand

442
00:27:36,876 --> 00:27:41,036
Speaker 1: behind your brother and you know, you know, stand beside

443
00:27:41,076 --> 00:27:44,636
Speaker 1: people who you think need help. They may be fellow

444
00:27:44,676 --> 00:27:47,556
Speaker 1: Americans in trouble. You could stand right there with them.

445
00:27:48,356 --> 00:27:51,436
Speaker 1: And that's what that song, that's what the feeling is

446
00:27:51,476 --> 00:27:53,956
Speaker 1: in that song, and I think it could be a

447
00:27:54,036 --> 00:27:57,036
Speaker 1: good thing, but like a lot of good things, it

448
00:27:57,116 --> 00:28:01,236
Speaker 1: doesn't feel really good at first. And this definitely qualifies

449
00:28:01,356 --> 00:28:04,716
Speaker 1: for that. We've got a lot on our plate. We have,

450
00:28:05,596 --> 00:28:08,236
Speaker 1: obviously we have. Climate change is just number one that

451
00:28:08,436 --> 00:28:11,956
Speaker 1: we ignore it, and number two is the pandemic, which

452
00:28:11,996 --> 00:28:14,356
Speaker 1: we ignore as much as we can. We're trying to

453
00:28:14,436 --> 00:28:16,596
Speaker 1: convince ourselves that we beat it now we can go

454
00:28:16,716 --> 00:28:20,476
Speaker 1: back to regular life, which is not true. That's a

455
00:28:20,676 --> 00:28:23,156
Speaker 1: that's a lie. That's not true. We used to have

456
00:28:23,236 --> 00:28:26,556
Speaker 1: a leader that told us everything was okay, and maybe

457
00:28:26,596 --> 00:28:28,596
Speaker 1: he thought it was nice to be comforting, and that's

458
00:28:28,716 --> 00:28:30,716
Speaker 1: kind of where he was coming from. And that's the

459
00:28:30,796 --> 00:28:33,396
Speaker 1: most gracious thing that I could say about that. But

460
00:28:33,556 --> 00:28:37,836
Speaker 1: I do think that, you know, we're on on the

461
00:28:38,116 --> 00:28:43,556
Speaker 1: edge of really discovering who we are. We need strong

462
00:28:43,716 --> 00:28:49,036
Speaker 1: leadership and we need need help from each other. We'll

463
00:28:49,076 --> 00:28:51,476
Speaker 1: be back with more from Neil Young. After a quick break,

464
00:28:55,716 --> 00:28:58,116
Speaker 1: we're back with the rest of Rick Rubin's conversation with

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Speaker 1: Neil Young. Tell me about protest songs. Over the course

466
00:29:02,676 --> 00:29:04,796
Speaker 1: of your life, you've written a lot of protest songs.

467
00:29:04,916 --> 00:29:08,316
Speaker 1: Tell me how you feel protest songs work in the world.

468
00:29:08,756 --> 00:29:11,476
Speaker 1: Tell me effective a protest song or what you imagine

469
00:29:11,516 --> 00:29:17,156
Speaker 1: it is. Well, it's reporting, it's talking about what's going on,

470
00:29:17,876 --> 00:29:23,156
Speaker 1: like Ohio is. Like Ohio is just basically a description

471
00:29:23,276 --> 00:29:26,796
Speaker 1: or something that happened and the feelings of young people

472
00:29:27,516 --> 00:29:31,356
Speaker 1: about it happened, you know, walking about soldiers cutting us down.

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00:29:31,916 --> 00:29:34,796
Speaker 1: It's just that they're havn't been protest songs like that

474
00:29:35,076 --> 00:29:38,836
Speaker 1: on the radio at that time. And now if you

475
00:29:38,916 --> 00:29:43,396
Speaker 1: write a protest song like that, radio is gone. There's

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00:29:43,556 --> 00:29:47,316
Speaker 1: nobody who has their balls to stand up and play

477
00:29:47,396 --> 00:29:51,396
Speaker 1: the song. They don't want They got it programmers, they

478
00:29:51,476 --> 00:29:54,556
Speaker 1: got people who decide what they play. They there's a

479
00:29:54,596 --> 00:29:56,276
Speaker 1: lot of people that would like to play what they

480
00:29:56,356 --> 00:29:59,516
Speaker 1: want to play. The way things are set up, it

481
00:29:59,636 --> 00:30:04,476
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. There's really no place for them to play it.

482
00:30:04,916 --> 00:30:08,116
Speaker 1: There's no radio to speak of anymore that we all

483
00:30:08,156 --> 00:30:10,836
Speaker 1: pay attention to. The great thing about them those days

484
00:30:11,036 --> 00:30:13,836
Speaker 1: was everybody listening to the radio, So everybody reads the

485
00:30:13,876 --> 00:30:16,476
Speaker 1: same thing. So if you get a message out there,

486
00:30:16,516 --> 00:30:19,636
Speaker 1: it got to a lot of people. Yeah, no longer happened.

487
00:30:20,476 --> 00:30:26,236
Speaker 1: So protest songs now are like fodder for media. Media.

488
00:30:26,316 --> 00:30:29,316
Speaker 1: Guess the comment on the protest song and everybody in there.

489
00:30:29,956 --> 00:30:33,276
Speaker 1: It becomes everybody's thing, and have a blog about what

490
00:30:33,396 --> 00:30:36,636
Speaker 1: it means, you know, put down the person who wrote it,

491
00:30:37,356 --> 00:30:41,356
Speaker 1: whatever it is. The day of the protest song as

492
00:30:41,596 --> 00:30:47,156
Speaker 1: an active way of changing it's probably past. It's funny

493
00:30:47,236 --> 00:30:51,236
Speaker 1: you talk about the media reaction because one of the

494
00:30:51,316 --> 00:30:54,156
Speaker 1: craziest things I've ever seen on television in my life

495
00:30:55,236 --> 00:30:58,476
Speaker 1: was you put out an album. I think it was

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00:30:58,556 --> 00:31:01,596
Speaker 1: called Impeach the President or what was it called? Living

497
00:31:01,676 --> 00:31:04,076
Speaker 1: with War? Living with War? And is there a song

498
00:31:04,316 --> 00:31:07,996
Speaker 1: impeach about impeaching the president. Impeach the President. Let's impeach

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00:31:08,076 --> 00:31:11,076
Speaker 1: the President. Okay, you were interviewed. I don't know if

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00:31:11,116 --> 00:31:12,996
Speaker 1: you remember this, but this was one of the more

501
00:31:13,036 --> 00:31:15,796
Speaker 1: surreal things I've seen in my life. You are Neil Young.

502
00:31:16,476 --> 00:31:19,436
Speaker 1: You were interviewed on CNN. I think it was maybe

503
00:31:19,476 --> 00:31:23,796
Speaker 1: outside of Warner Brothers Records, the and the CNN interview.

504
00:31:24,076 --> 00:31:25,796
Speaker 1: It was a short interview. It was you know, it

505
00:31:25,876 --> 00:31:29,356
Speaker 1: was a minute long. Yeah, it was a young woman

506
00:31:29,476 --> 00:31:33,996
Speaker 1: who clearly had no idea of who you were. And

507
00:31:34,356 --> 00:31:39,276
Speaker 1: the CNN interview interviewer said, I remember she said to you, well,

508
00:31:39,356 --> 00:31:42,756
Speaker 1: you have this song about impeaching the president, and a

509
00:31:42,876 --> 00:31:45,996
Speaker 1: lot of people are saying it's really just like a

510
00:31:46,316 --> 00:31:50,476
Speaker 1: publicity stunt, and this is on the news, and I'm thinking,

511
00:31:50,996 --> 00:31:54,116
Speaker 1: I can't believe this is happening. I can't believe this

512
00:31:54,436 --> 00:31:58,516
Speaker 1: is where we are that someone from the news is

513
00:31:58,836 --> 00:32:01,076
Speaker 1: asking Neil Young at this point in his career, this

514
00:32:01,276 --> 00:32:04,916
Speaker 1: was not that long ago. If he was doing a

515
00:32:04,996 --> 00:32:09,076
Speaker 1: publicity stunt to get popular by talking about impeaching the president.

516
00:32:09,116 --> 00:32:11,996
Speaker 1: It was. It was surreal, it was, but it just

517
00:32:12,076 --> 00:32:15,196
Speaker 1: showed how much the times have changed, you know, and

518
00:32:15,436 --> 00:32:18,636
Speaker 1: the media has a great effect on things. And the

519
00:32:18,796 --> 00:32:23,036
Speaker 1: media is not brilliant. Media is another machine. It's another

520
00:32:23,556 --> 00:32:27,076
Speaker 1: there's another ceo, there's another leader calling the shots for

521
00:32:27,236 --> 00:32:32,436
Speaker 1: every station. And the media is, like I believe, the

522
00:32:32,676 --> 00:32:37,676
Speaker 1: most dangerous weapon in funding America. I don't think the

523
00:32:37,796 --> 00:32:40,476
Speaker 1: media is a big help when I see some of

524
00:32:40,556 --> 00:32:47,916
Speaker 1: these stations, either Fox or f MSNBCU not sometimes CNN,

525
00:32:48,036 --> 00:32:51,556
Speaker 1: some of the people on cn but they they present

526
00:32:51,756 --> 00:32:54,876
Speaker 1: stories in a way that to try to take a

527
00:32:55,036 --> 00:32:58,436
Speaker 1: side and kind of and then they have these little

528
00:32:59,036 --> 00:33:03,196
Speaker 1: personikety things they say, these little jokes about This is

529
00:33:03,516 --> 00:33:08,876
Speaker 1: real stuff, and this is our source of information, and

530
00:33:09,116 --> 00:33:12,156
Speaker 1: these people are twying with it like it's entertainment. They

531
00:33:12,276 --> 00:33:16,876
Speaker 1: can't tell a difference between their own notoriety and the

532
00:33:17,036 --> 00:33:20,836
Speaker 1: meaningfulness of the news. They don't have the respect for

533
00:33:20,956 --> 00:33:25,476
Speaker 1: the news they have. They're looking to present their image.

534
00:33:25,876 --> 00:33:27,356
Speaker 1: We don't want to harp on that forever. So let's

535
00:33:27,356 --> 00:33:29,996
Speaker 1: talk about something much makes it makes us feel bad. Yes,

536
00:33:30,116 --> 00:33:34,996
Speaker 1: let's talk about something. Yes, let's talk about something much

537
00:33:35,116 --> 00:33:39,036
Speaker 1: more important. Yeah. Do you still have the cigar store

538
00:33:39,156 --> 00:33:42,756
Speaker 1: Indian that used to be on stage with you sometimes? Yes?

539
00:33:43,036 --> 00:33:47,836
Speaker 1: Does he have a name, Woody Woody beautiful? Yeah? Where's

540
00:33:47,876 --> 00:33:50,156
Speaker 1: Woody these days? Where does he live these days? I

541
00:33:50,236 --> 00:33:53,036
Speaker 1: believe wood he's an Oxnard. It's a nice place. I

542
00:33:53,116 --> 00:33:55,916
Speaker 1: bet he likes Oxnard. He probably likes it a lot.

543
00:33:56,276 --> 00:33:59,356
Speaker 1: He's with my band equipment stuff, which he likes to

544
00:33:59,396 --> 00:34:01,996
Speaker 1: be with. Yeah, I bet that's where he feels good,

545
00:34:02,396 --> 00:34:07,316
Speaker 1: you know. And And what is it? Unfortunate victim of

546
00:34:08,436 --> 00:34:13,116
Speaker 1: the changing times? And Woody is a wooden Indian, Okay,

547
00:34:13,556 --> 00:34:17,316
Speaker 1: a wooden Indian with some cigars. But back in the day,

548
00:34:18,316 --> 00:34:22,116
Speaker 1: Indian tobacco is great. That's what all those tobacco stores

549
00:34:22,236 --> 00:34:26,596
Speaker 1: used to be proud to sell this tobacco that they

550
00:34:26,676 --> 00:34:30,316
Speaker 1: got from Indians, So having the chief out there with

551
00:34:30,436 --> 00:34:35,356
Speaker 1: some cigars kind of said something good. But in today's world,

552
00:34:35,676 --> 00:34:38,436
Speaker 1: I read about people saying, well, you know, you should

553
00:34:38,476 --> 00:34:41,516
Speaker 1: be ashamed of yourself for using the name crazy Horse,

554
00:34:42,236 --> 00:34:44,356
Speaker 1: and you've got to get rid of that wooden Indian.

555
00:34:44,436 --> 00:34:47,956
Speaker 1: That's just a disgrace. And I, you know, try to

556
00:34:48,036 --> 00:34:50,996
Speaker 1: tell wood about that. He doesn't believe it. And we

557
00:34:51,156 --> 00:34:56,156
Speaker 1: played one you know that was owned by Native Americans

558
00:34:56,796 --> 00:34:59,796
Speaker 1: and they were offended by Woody? Were they really? And

559
00:34:59,916 --> 00:35:02,236
Speaker 1: they were offended by Woody? And I said, well that's fine,

560
00:35:02,556 --> 00:35:05,196
Speaker 1: but wood he has to stay and listen. But we'll

561
00:35:05,276 --> 00:35:07,636
Speaker 1: just cover Woody up so nobody knows he's here. So

562
00:35:07,756 --> 00:35:11,156
Speaker 1: he put a blanket over Woody, beautiful Indian blanket over.

563
00:35:12,276 --> 00:35:15,156
Speaker 1: He was feeling okay, and everything was fine, and we

564
00:35:15,236 --> 00:35:16,996
Speaker 1: did our show and we went to the next show.

565
00:35:17,516 --> 00:35:21,756
Speaker 1: But I realized everybody's sensitive today about things. But to

566
00:35:21,876 --> 00:35:25,876
Speaker 1: be sensitive about things like that when there's so many

567
00:35:25,996 --> 00:35:29,836
Speaker 1: other things to really focus on, it are really meaningful. Yes,

568
00:35:30,436 --> 00:35:33,476
Speaker 1: is there a story behind the little lid up loves

569
00:35:33,756 --> 00:35:37,196
Speaker 1: Love sign that you have on the stage. Daryl loves

570
00:35:37,236 --> 00:35:40,156
Speaker 1: that sign. I got it from somewhere. She may have

571
00:35:40,276 --> 00:35:44,756
Speaker 1: gotten it in a junk store somewhere, because we always

572
00:35:44,876 --> 00:35:46,796
Speaker 1: visit these places where we can pick up all the

573
00:35:46,876 --> 00:35:50,996
Speaker 1: stuff on the highway, and so she met a government there.

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00:35:50,996 --> 00:35:53,916
Speaker 1: I don't know where we got it, but it's always there. Now,

575
00:35:54,276 --> 00:35:56,996
Speaker 1: it's on stage all the time. I love it. I

576
00:35:57,156 --> 00:36:01,196
Speaker 1: do too. She does too. It arrived with her and

577
00:36:02,916 --> 00:36:06,396
Speaker 1: that'll be here forever. Earlier, you talked about the process

578
00:36:06,556 --> 00:36:09,956
Speaker 1: of becoming an American. Do you remember, and you revealed

579
00:36:10,196 --> 00:36:13,316
Speaker 1: in the first interview that you smoke pot on occasion.

580
00:36:13,596 --> 00:36:16,436
Speaker 1: Do you remember the first time you ever smoked pot? Yeah?

581
00:36:16,516 --> 00:36:20,156
Speaker 1: I think I smoked part of York Wild Village in Toronto,

582
00:36:20,956 --> 00:36:24,876
Speaker 1: probably in the nineteen sixty five. And do you remember

583
00:36:24,996 --> 00:36:29,316
Speaker 1: if it had any connection to music with you right away? No,

584
00:36:29,516 --> 00:36:32,036
Speaker 1: it didn't. There's a bunch of people sitting around in

585
00:36:32,116 --> 00:36:36,396
Speaker 1: a room under a cafe called the Riverboat, or next

586
00:36:36,516 --> 00:36:38,916
Speaker 1: door to the cafe called the Riverboat, which a music

587
00:36:38,996 --> 00:36:42,276
Speaker 1: place back in the sixth season in Yorkville. It's like

588
00:36:42,396 --> 00:36:47,116
Speaker 1: Greenwich Village in Canada. No, David Rays the guitar players

589
00:36:47,236 --> 00:36:51,196
Speaker 1: played with Fall a lot of great players even sell here.

590
00:36:53,036 --> 00:36:56,556
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of good things and uh, you

591
00:36:56,636 --> 00:37:01,076
Speaker 1: know a company of guitar player accompanies David Gray acoustic guitar,

592
00:37:02,076 --> 00:37:04,716
Speaker 1: and he had some leads. So I tried it. I'd

593
00:37:04,756 --> 00:37:07,516
Speaker 1: never tried to. Sitting around with six or seven people.

594
00:37:08,196 --> 00:37:13,196
Speaker 1: When's the first time noticed how it affected music? First

595
00:37:13,236 --> 00:37:17,396
Speaker 1: time I smoked something played with the band. Then it

596
00:37:17,476 --> 00:37:20,356
Speaker 1: became really obvious at the time that that happened. That

597
00:37:20,556 --> 00:37:25,396
Speaker 1: wave of people discovering marijuana and music. Was everybody doing it?

598
00:37:25,636 --> 00:37:32,236
Speaker 1: Was it like a known piece of the puzzle or doorway?

599
00:37:33,156 --> 00:37:36,276
Speaker 1: It was kind of the underground of music. There was

600
00:37:36,316 --> 00:37:39,716
Speaker 1: that underground. Not everybody did it, A lot of people

601
00:37:39,796 --> 00:37:43,916
Speaker 1: in the underground. Yeah, and clubs. I was just starting.

602
00:37:43,996 --> 00:37:46,756
Speaker 1: You couldn't it wasn't life so prevalent that you could

603
00:37:46,796 --> 00:37:49,556
Speaker 1: walk in club and smell it. It's not like that yet.

604
00:37:49,916 --> 00:37:52,836
Speaker 1: It smell it on the street, but not somewhere Warrior

605
00:37:52,956 --> 00:37:56,036
Speaker 1: in the cloth space with the people. Earlier, you mentioned

606
00:37:56,996 --> 00:38:00,276
Speaker 1: the Rust, how the guitar rig changed right before Rust?

607
00:38:00,916 --> 00:38:02,516
Speaker 1: How did how did it work out for you to

608
00:38:02,596 --> 00:38:06,956
Speaker 1: film the Rust tour? Well, Larry Johnson meant good brow

609
00:38:07,956 --> 00:38:13,596
Speaker 1: and David Meyers, director of photography, and you guy named

610
00:38:13,636 --> 00:38:17,076
Speaker 1: Fred i'm er as a producer. You know, we just

611
00:38:17,236 --> 00:38:22,716
Speaker 1: started thinking about filming it because it was a concept

612
00:38:23,236 --> 00:38:27,236
Speaker 1: as a concert, it had a story as a concert,

613
00:38:27,276 --> 00:38:32,316
Speaker 1: it was an ambience place, and so we wanted we

614
00:38:32,476 --> 00:38:35,036
Speaker 1: decided to try to make a film. Mean, I was

615
00:38:35,076 --> 00:38:37,116
Speaker 1: hanging out with Larry all the time and just made

616
00:38:37,636 --> 00:38:41,236
Speaker 1: all we had made already a few years back before

617
00:38:41,276 --> 00:38:43,996
Speaker 1: that movie. In seven and one seven two, we make

618
00:38:44,076 --> 00:38:48,116
Speaker 1: Journey through the Past, which is my first film. I'm

619
00:38:48,196 --> 00:38:52,716
Speaker 1: really not a filmmaker, you know. I make movies mostly

620
00:38:52,836 --> 00:38:55,756
Speaker 1: for fun. I like to do it for fun. It's

621
00:38:55,796 --> 00:38:59,076
Speaker 1: fun to do. It's great to create these and create

622
00:38:59,156 --> 00:39:02,076
Speaker 1: these scenes and everything. You know. I can't really, I'm

623
00:39:02,116 --> 00:39:05,396
Speaker 1: not I can't compete with all of the moviemakers because

624
00:39:05,436 --> 00:39:07,996
Speaker 1: that's not what this is. I'm not doing that. It's

625
00:39:07,996 --> 00:39:14,396
Speaker 1: about music and film fantasy. Yeah, different, that's what I like. Cool.

626
00:39:14,476 --> 00:39:17,196
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see all of the eight films that

627
00:39:17,276 --> 00:39:21,076
Speaker 1: you talked about finding through the archive project. That would

628
00:39:21,076 --> 00:39:23,916
Speaker 1: be great to see. Yeah, they're gonna be fun. That's

629
00:39:23,916 --> 00:39:26,236
Speaker 1: a good that's a that's a good ride. There's I

630
00:39:26,316 --> 00:39:28,996
Speaker 1: think there's eight maybe nine that I think there's this

631
00:39:29,196 --> 00:39:32,276
Speaker 1: is why this set is, you know the film start

632
00:39:33,236 --> 00:39:37,396
Speaker 1: in a set, you know, volume three. There's a lot

633
00:39:37,476 --> 00:39:42,036
Speaker 1: of evolution of ideas. Plus that's some audio documentary audio

634
00:39:42,236 --> 00:39:48,116
Speaker 1: which I've done, like one one disc. Then the non

635
00:39:48,196 --> 00:39:53,076
Speaker 1: star Nicolette Morrison. Mean, sitting around the table with David

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Speaker 1: Briggs and I'm playing every song that I've just written

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Speaker 1: for them, and they're starting to sing the parts while

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Speaker 1: I'm playing for the first time. So there's like ten

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Speaker 1: or twelve songs, you know, Long Day one and those

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Speaker 1: kinds of songs from that era, and they're all saying

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Speaker 1: and get going and laughing. It's more like a you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a doctor you doctor musical. Yeah it sounds great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. I mean I think people need more of

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Speaker 1: the real thing behind the music. Yeah, and I can

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Speaker 1: put out all my records, but I've already put on

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Speaker 1: my records. I put the backstory of the records out

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Speaker 1: a little bit, or things you might have missed or

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Speaker 1: things that got left behind on the search for perfection

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Speaker 1: organ songs. It's quite often the original things that happened

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Speaker 1: when you look back and go, wow, why did we

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Speaker 1: go by that? Why didn't we just stay right there

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Speaker 1: and go home. So I've discovered a lot of things

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Speaker 1: like that in the archives, because it's like nine hundred songs,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is. I can't wait to hear the whole

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Speaker 1: to sit back and you know, sit back and relax

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Speaker 1: the whole thing, and probably take a day to listen

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Speaker 1: to beautiful. It's great, cool man. Well, it's a pleasure

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Speaker 1: speaking to you as always too. I miss you and

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Speaker 1: I love you likewise, my friend, and I look forward

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Speaker 1: to seeing you in person, giving you a big hug

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Speaker 1: sooner than later. Yeah, me too. Maybe we can get

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Speaker 1: together and listen to our hard luck stories. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard it since then, So I'm gonna and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait to listen until we listen together. I

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Speaker 1: want to listen to it with you. Okay, that'll be great.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun stories. Modern world. We live in

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Speaker 1: a modern world. Oh yeah, meat song. Yeah, and they

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Speaker 1: were great. If we if edman from me cutting my

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Speaker 1: finger or whatever, that we're probably won had on record

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Speaker 1: right there and album that everybody would know. Now, all good,

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Speaker 1: all good, whatever we trust the universe's order of events,

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Speaker 1: All good, exactly exactly we do cool man all right,

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Speaker 1: Speak to you soon. Love to Daryl, Thanks Man, be well.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Neil Young for spending so much time with

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Speaker 1: us talking about his creative process and about the new

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Speaker 1: material he's getting ready to release in the new year.

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Speaker 1: You can hear all of our favorite Neil Young songs

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Speaker 1: at broken Record podcast dot com. You can follow us

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at broken Record. Broken Record is produced with

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Speaker 1: help from Leah Rose, Jason Yambrel, Martin Gonzalez, Eric Sandler,

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Speaker 1: and Jennifer Sanchez, with engineering help from Nick Chaffey. Our

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Speaker 1: executive producer is Mio LaBelle Broken Record is a production

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Speaker 1: of Pushkin Industries. Please remember to share, rate, and review

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Speaker 1: us on your podcast a. Our theme musics by Kenny Beats.

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