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Speaker 1: your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well,
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Speaker 1: the Draft Show on a Thursday morning as we inch
Speaker 1: closer to the end of April and the twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: NFL Draft which will take place and at the stadium
Speaker 1: at AT and T in Arlington. We've got the normal
Speaker 1: set of guys, with the exception of one. Dane Burglar
Speaker 1: is out today and but he should be back with
Speaker 1: us next Monday. Kevin kt Turner from one oh five
Speaker 1: three the Fan in the Ben and Skin Show, one
Speaker 1: of my scouting buddies, is here with us. Katie. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the Fray. We appreciate you showing up. Thank you.
Speaker 1: This is episode three for me this year. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been a good year for draft showing for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: These are our highest rated shows. When we have you
Speaker 1: on by far, you good like a good spot duty
Speaker 1: linebacker like Joe Thomas. Joe Thomas, I was the Kyle
Speaker 1: Wilber back in the day, a special teams guy as well.
Speaker 1: I can do a little bit everything everything. But we're
Speaker 1: five weeks away, man, Yeah, five weeks crazy. This is
Speaker 1: coming fast. It is coming fast, and I and I
Speaker 1: it's we're starting to see, you know, we're winding through
Speaker 1: these pro days as well. Got Dallas Day stuff that
Speaker 1: will happen on April sixth, where the local kids will
Speaker 1: come in and work out. Cowboys have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: bring them in here to Ford Center to work him
Speaker 1: out on the field. We've also got the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: thirty visits coming up as well, and we're starting to
Speaker 1: kind of hear some names of guys. You know, it's
Speaker 1: a great thing about social media and things like that.
Speaker 1: You can reach out to these kids and kind of
Speaker 1: learn where they're going to visit in places, you know,
Speaker 1: with the fountain. The receiver from Northern Iowa that we
Speaker 1: watched the other night did not go to the combine,
Speaker 1: but he's got like seven or eight visits already lined up.
Speaker 1: And I feel sorry for that kid because every one
Speaker 1: of those visits is gonna be a physical he's gonna get.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get eight physical is what he's gonna get.
Speaker 1: And you know, here's a guy kat third round type
Speaker 1: of a player on you know, if you've talked about
Speaker 1: wide receivers, you know, Dane Bugler's talked about him as
Speaker 1: being a guy. Hey you need to check a check
Speaker 1: out my Northern Iowa wide receiver fountain and so you know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's gonna have seven or eight visits coming up,
Speaker 1: and every one of them are going to be a physical.
Speaker 1: That poor guy blood work going on. He's always up
Speaker 1: to twelve. I saw, I don't know, you have a check?
Speaker 1: Should they should bring him to the medical recheck is
Speaker 1: what they should do. That. They should absolutely bring him
Speaker 1: there and let him take one physical and let all
Speaker 1: the teams seem right there is what they should do.
Speaker 1: Maybe they are, but it sounds like to me, if
Speaker 1: they don't do that, he's gonna have it. I want
Speaker 1: to get into that though. I kind of want to
Speaker 1: get because David I think we have a little bit
Speaker 1: of an idea we're gonna get the thirty visits. I'm
Speaker 1: going on a draft show. We'll kind of go through
Speaker 1: some guys. We'll get a hint, but some of the
Speaker 1: guys go through some of the guys. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get a direction here, maybe early Katie, that maybe the
Speaker 1: Cowboys might be looking at here. It's it's an interesting
Speaker 1: time of year because I mean, working here, you know,
Speaker 1: at the Mothership, we tend to have an idea of
Speaker 1: what's going on before everybody else, right, but this is
Speaker 1: one of those situations where we're the last to know,
Speaker 1: you know, because these guys aren't try and keep us
Speaker 1: as the last well, well, these guys aren't in the building.
Speaker 1: And obviously the scouting department likes to try to keep
Speaker 1: some secrets. Yeah they do. But then these guys go
Speaker 1: out to their pro days and their workouts and they
Speaker 1: talk to members of the media and I mean, all
Speaker 1: you got to do is ask them you're working out
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. They're like, yeah, I gotta visit set
Speaker 1: up with the Cowboys and that, and then it's on
Speaker 1: Twitter and it's out there, so you know, we're not
Speaker 1: the ones gathering that information. But it gets back to
Speaker 1: us space speaking to that. Helma and I will be
Speaker 1: on the road for the US. Yeah, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: at a and m in Texas. Maybe we can ask
Speaker 1: some of these guys ourselves. Exact, we will ask a
Speaker 1: bunch of questions. Well, actually, you know, instead of just
Speaker 1: letting other people do our work for us, right Jefferson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: coming to Dallas. Well let's talk about Malik Jefferson maybe. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, so you know, there's thirty guys. They're allowed
Speaker 1: to bring it, right, they can target whoever they want.
Speaker 1: You know, two years ago they famously brought in every
Speaker 1: quarterback worth talking to. Right, last year it was all
Speaker 1: dbs and pass Rusher Rusher. I feel like it seems
Speaker 1: a little more scattershot so on it like we don't
Speaker 1: have the full list, right, it's not there there yet.
Speaker 1: But you look at the you know, you've heard seven
Speaker 1: eight names. H Calvin Ridley's a name. You hear a lot.
Speaker 1: Rashaun Evans. Okay, hang on just a second, you okay?
Speaker 1: How are you? How are is our comfort level now
Speaker 1: with Calvin Ridley here? Mine? Has it changed at all?
Speaker 1: In fact, I've been a little, uh not not frustrated,
Speaker 1: maybe a little annoyed with everyone kind of trying to
Speaker 1: drop up him after the combine and everything, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're saying, you're saying, but yeah, I mean, Dane's kind
Speaker 1: of think he's gonna be there at nineteen now, and
Speaker 1: then I'm I'm excited about that. Okay. That for me,
Speaker 1: if you can tell me Calvin Ridley's gonna be there
Speaker 1: in nineteen, then I'll just stay there and not give
Speaker 1: up a resource to go up and get a guy
Speaker 1: like Derwin or Real Quantuments or whoever. Calvin Ridley is
Speaker 1: the classic, like we're tired of talking about this guy guy,
Speaker 1: you know, like he's been a constant topic of conversation
Speaker 1: since early January and by this point in the draft process,
Speaker 1: like he's still good, right, but it's just like what
Speaker 1: else is there to say about him? And I feel
Speaker 1: like so he gets pushed down in the conversation just
Speaker 1: because there's nothing else to say. But you know, I
Speaker 1: would still I wouldn't be surprised if he's there at nineteen.
Speaker 1: But I feel like maybe he tends to get a
Speaker 1: little bit devalued just because he's been has been so
Speaker 1: thoroughly covered, you know, worried about his age. Oh well
Speaker 1: you know what I got, Bryan tell him that those
Speaker 1: Terrence Newman was too old too. He's still playing for
Speaker 1: the for the VIC that's last time I checked. My
Speaker 1: one legitimate concern with him, and it's body type. It's
Speaker 1: just the fact that his legs are so skinny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's one hundred eighty eight pounds guy there and go, okay,
Speaker 1: so how is one helmet to the shin that that
Speaker 1: might affect things? Yeah, but but I mean I kind
Speaker 1: of Dj Moore is not my second wide receiver, so
Speaker 1: maybe that's trut up. Maybe I'm not as high on
Speaker 1: Dj Moore kirk Kirk that we'll see him at Texas
Speaker 1: and named helmet? Last name? Is you plenty playing with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? Cowboys? Or what's going on here? You're doing
Speaker 1: a three visits? So Ridley's a guy. Yeah, his Alabama
Speaker 1: teammate Rashaan Evans as a guy. Okay, let's talk about Evans.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about him enough, right, do you think? So? No, See,
Speaker 1: I'm I feel the opposite. And like I just said,
Speaker 1: Ridley's the classic. We're tired of talking about this guy.
Speaker 1: Evans is the classic, Like we gotta there's gotta be
Speaker 1: somebody else we can talk about that makes sense. And
Speaker 1: so he's like the late Riser, which and I think
Speaker 1: it makes sense, don't get me wrong, But you're hearing
Speaker 1: his name more and more as people are looking for
Speaker 1: options at nineteen, like, yeah, who might they draft? I
Speaker 1: think did? I think did? He kind of started off
Speaker 1: kind of slowly in the whole process, and now it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, we keep talking about a lot of
Speaker 1: the same names. But is Evans as opposed to I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna say another guy that's potentially gonna visit
Speaker 1: here as well from Boise Ah, yes, Laton, vander Ish Okay,
Speaker 1: Vanderish Okay. Now we're gonna get cringing over here, for sure,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get cringing, and we're gonna get the Okay,
Speaker 1: who is who would we rather have? Evans or Vanderish? Well?
Speaker 1: And that's and that's where I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people are saying, not a lot. I think this bunch here,
Speaker 1: I think that they like Vanderish a lot. I do.
Speaker 1: I think that. To me, I just have a feeling
Speaker 1: we're gonna be sitting here on draft night and we're
Speaker 1: gonna look at this thing and that and that and that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna and the Commissioner's gonna go and
Speaker 1: and you call your shot right now. I'm calling it
Speaker 1: right draft And that was it again. I'm waiting toward
Speaker 1: the right field bleachers. I look a little like Babe
Speaker 1: Ruth done it right now, my big fat face, big port.
Speaker 1: The guy likes hot dogs, you know. I I think
Speaker 1: that to me if he visits and we're hearing rumors
Speaker 1: about private workouts and all that stuff, and you know,
Speaker 1: thirty visits and I just just deep down in my gut,
Speaker 1: I think, and it's only it's only things lining up.
Speaker 1: He's going in the first round now. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he should be. But if someone's taking him, that's
Speaker 1: an overreaction on your part. And that's don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: He could he could very well be the pick. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that. Do you want him you have to
Speaker 1: get him at nineteen because he ain't gonna be there, no, absolutely,
Speaker 1: but he should be there at fifty. It got knew.
Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna come. Let's play one year
Speaker 1: and then everyone goes crazy. You know what. There's people
Speaker 1: that are actually kind of connected. I've talked about this
Speaker 1: a little bite. People to say, hey, he's he was
Speaker 1: one hundred ninety five pounds. He was a walk on.
Speaker 1: He hate man football, hate man football. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there were a lot of things that people are kind
Speaker 1: of the people that want to line up against him
Speaker 1: or lining up, they're lining up. And then there's people
Speaker 1: that are absolutely totally on board with this guy, and
Speaker 1: they're and they're and they're driving the train. I mean
Speaker 1: they're saying, oh no, this guy's six four, he's two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pounds, he's got a tremendous closing burst.
Speaker 1: And I mean you need to be on here with
Speaker 1: Dane and let him talk to him. Oh Dan, Dane
Speaker 1: will stay. You would swear him. Oh Dane is all
Speaker 1: over it. Now. Dan started out kind of like you.
Speaker 1: He started out kind of like you, and now he's
Speaker 1: kind of the well, I don't know, maybe we need
Speaker 1: but I just I just don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you zero in on anybody when you're picking where
Speaker 1: you're picking. Oh trust No, I mean I'm gonna I
Speaker 1: will remember this conversation on draft night if it comes
Speaker 1: to that, because I will take a bite that much smarter.
Speaker 1: I will take a bite of that turkey sandwich and
Speaker 1: sip of the diet pepsia sip your tea like a frog,
Speaker 1: and I'll just kind of think that napkin, and oh, kat,
Speaker 1: would you like to talk about But I know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I think all right, well, let's all right,
Speaker 1: let's go let's talk about that for a minute, because
Speaker 1: we can we like I said, the list is an
Speaker 1: official we can talk about a few more guys. But
Speaker 1: that's kind of the point. I'm not going to kill
Speaker 1: this kid like I did Bosa Evans. I think so.
Speaker 1: I think so too. Let's let's just let's look at this,
Speaker 1: all right. So you start out, and this is so
Speaker 1: fascinating me about the draft process. You start out. You've
Speaker 1: got your You've got your Roquan Smiths. Yeah, you start
Speaker 1: out big, you got your Derwin James. And then you're like,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not likely, that's not likely. He's that's
Speaker 1: too high for him, that's too yeah, And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, all right, so you're left you're left with
Speaker 1: what do we? What do we? Really? Let's let's put
Speaker 1: it out all. I couldn't get Day in the draft
Speaker 1: a guard just just now he's on vander Schli. Let's
Speaker 1: really let's zero in on four names that makes sense.
Speaker 1: That that seem realistic. And I think the linebackers are
Speaker 1: two of them. Yeah, but they have to because nineteen
Speaker 1: nineteen seems nineteen seems high for both of them. But
Speaker 1: beggars can't be choosers when you're picking, uh Ridley, I
Speaker 1: think you probably put him in there. Yeah, sure, and
Speaker 1: I and we should be pumped about that. No, no, right,
Speaker 1: no argument here is everyone's still happy with that. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I'm happy, all right. Word on the street is that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have signed Deonta Thompson. Yeah, so you kind
Speaker 1: of a lot like the Joe Thomas and you've probably
Speaker 1: you've addressed your wide receiver corps in some situation. But
Speaker 1: I don't think that would come remotely close to stopping
Speaker 1: them from draft. No, not at all. No. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: so that you got your three and then you probably
Speaker 1: thinking guard, Oh sure, Hernandez and Win. Yeah, we've beaten
Speaker 1: them into the ground. We have I don't need to
Speaker 1: do that. Tuck you into James Daniels into that mix. Sure,
Speaker 1: if you want to throw him in there. You know what, Hey,
Speaker 1: this man, this man did a mock draft and it's
Speaker 1: coming up on in our magazine here. Oh nice, and
Speaker 1: our magazine's coming up. I mocked him at twelve. He
Speaker 1: mocked him at twelve. He's got a giant's trade back
Speaker 1: and him take, yeah, how about that? Hey, well, don't
Speaker 1: get weird with it. That's my don't get my mom Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just got to give people to buy the magazine,
Speaker 1: absolutely to buy it. For his mock trapped alone. I guess,
Speaker 1: my man, is there something we're forgetting? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I love DJs, that's realistic. Is there a position we're forgetting?
Speaker 1: KT You're kind of you're you're kind of the outlier
Speaker 1: here in I mean, it sounds, it sounds crazy, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm number one and team don't don't move people
Speaker 1: around anymore. Let's let players be what they are telling me.
Speaker 1: Mike mcglinchie's there at nineteen, who is the number one
Speaker 1: tackle in the draft. I would take him and move
Speaker 1: Lele Collins to guard, and I would go against everything
Speaker 1: I said about moving players around, because the number one
Speaker 1: tackle in the draft is there for you. I like
Speaker 1: Mike mcglinchiy a lot. I think he can play bonus
Speaker 1: points for thinking outside the box. Oh no, this Catt'll
Speaker 1: do that. He's a great idea he is. He is
Speaker 1: weird and he thinks outside the box. There's two things
Speaker 1: I love about it. So you get the number one
Speaker 1: tackle and he's an owner of the man my dad
Speaker 1: is you move your tackle. I could live with that.
Speaker 1: What if? Well, speaking of the Green Bay Packers, I
Speaker 1: know who you love? Are we not talking enough about
Speaker 1: Harold Landry? You know what? And I would take him
Speaker 1: at nineteen if he's there. In fact, I would love that.
Speaker 1: I would love that more than any of those linebackers
Speaker 1: we talked about. I would like Harold Landry more than
Speaker 1: Isaiah Wynn, will Hernandez. Okay, even the guard Jan I
Speaker 1: mean gets Harold Landry. I think he's closer to the
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen player than Yeah, like if if you if
Speaker 1: a guy's got a messed up ankle, his ability to
Speaker 1: rush the passer is going to be compromised, Like that's
Speaker 1: just what happened, yea, And but they try to play
Speaker 1: through it. That guy. Give the kid credit? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: everything you're saying, right, tell me about his measurables and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. No, No, who is he? Who is?
Speaker 1: He looks a lot his his profile looks a lot
Speaker 1: like T. J. Watt see it. I'm saying a lot.
Speaker 1: But he puts his hand in the ground. He does, okay,
Speaker 1: played in some four three looks as well. But I'm
Speaker 1: with you on the way he looks. I mean, if
Speaker 1: if the I just I don't buy that he's saying,
Speaker 1: they won't they will, they won't tag him because of
Speaker 1: the measurables. I just wonder why that's why. And to me,
Speaker 1: that's a problem then, because the thing last year was
Speaker 1: that T J. Watt doesn't put his hand in the ground,
Speaker 1: and that's it. It's a project, all right, the project.
Speaker 1: Harold Ladry is a sixteen and a half sat guy
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. He's not a project. I have a
Speaker 1: I have a hard time adjusting to the concept that,
Speaker 1: like they don't think they could teach a guy to
Speaker 1: put his hand in the dirt, Like that's the only
Speaker 1: problem too, are like, that's crazy to me? So is
Speaker 1: that your honey badger argument too? Yeah, it is, which
Speaker 1: we'll get into that, get into that. Yeah, we'll get
Speaker 1: into that. But well, actually no, but that's a great
Speaker 1: it's a great tie in to bring it back to
Speaker 1: these thirty guys because for instance, okay, we know Rashaan
Speaker 1: Evans is coming, right, we know Layton vander esh is coming, right,
Speaker 1: we know Will Hernandez is coming. These are probably Allen
Speaker 1: right there. These are probably all guys that you got
Speaker 1: a draft at nineteen R Yeah, i'd hope unless there's
Speaker 1: a trade back. But for the sakes of this, we'll
Speaker 1: just say nineteen. We don't know if Harold Landry is
Speaker 1: coming or Marcus Davenport, and that's we should have that
Speaker 1: next week. That's what make this list so interesting is
Speaker 1: when the full list is out, you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: pretty good idea of what they're targeting at nineteen because,
Speaker 1: as we famously repeat every year, uh, the only first
Speaker 1: round pick in the last decade that didn't visit the
Speaker 1: facility during the lead up to the draft was Moa
Speaker 1: and it didn't work out that well. Yeah. And and
Speaker 1: just you know, for anybody at home that maybe doesn't
Speaker 1: follow along every year, Um, it's just important in general,
Speaker 1: down the down the whole board of the draft. I mean,
Speaker 1: these these are the guys that they want to draft.
Speaker 1: They you know, if they're bringing you in, they really
Speaker 1: want to draft you. Taco was a thirty visit last year.
Speaker 1: Cheetoh was a thirty visit last year. Xavier Woods was
Speaker 1: a thirty visit. Zeke and Dak were both thirty visits
Speaker 1: the years they were drafted. So these are you know,
Speaker 1: if you're coming here, right, there's a better one of
Speaker 1: those guys. It's a better than good chance that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are. And you like the idea though, Dallas Day
Speaker 1: you get some help with that, right Yeah, Corland Sutton's
Speaker 1: a guy. Yeah, it's honestly, it's like the best cheat
Speaker 1: code ever because there's so I found this out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you know Josh Jackson's from Dallas. Yeah, so theoretic,
Speaker 1: and well so is Malik Malik Jefferson. Yeah. So the
Speaker 1: areas guys that you know, you can you don't have
Speaker 1: to do thirty visits with them, have them come to
Speaker 1: Dallas days. It's like Dallas and then the Florida teams
Speaker 1: and night oh no Miami. Yeah, Miami's honestly is kind
Speaker 1: of unfair, Like, yeah, the packers are not too happy.
Speaker 1: Are just like, what the hell are y'all talking about
Speaker 1: up here? Not not anybody, but but like I said,
Speaker 1: I think you're you're you make a great point about
Speaker 1: those thirty visits, you know, and some of the names.
Speaker 1: That's it's the most important information. Like if if you
Speaker 1: only could know one thing in the draft process, like
Speaker 1: look at the names of the thirty visits. Oh if
Speaker 1: you if you wanted to and you got the list
Speaker 1: of the thirty names, just study those thirty guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not that, I mean that might give you an idea
Speaker 1: exactly what you said, give you an idea of who
Speaker 1: potentially because it's not all first round guys on there. No,
Speaker 1: there's some there's some guys we've heard, you know, Naheim
Speaker 1: Hines then got back out of North Carolina, stay like
Speaker 1: and they do that every year too. Um. I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe it's not even a draft pick.
Speaker 1: I remember who's the who's the nose tackle? Rodney co Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a Dallas Day guy I think a few
Speaker 1: years ago. Sure. But when it's all said and done,
Speaker 1: you know, between draft picks and undrafted free agents, they'll
Speaker 1: probably add like eighteen players, maybe twenty, and like half
Speaker 1: of those guys will be names that you saw on
Speaker 1: these lists. Maybe more than that. All right, let me
Speaker 1: ask you something real quick. I kind of have an
Speaker 1: idea where he's going. He's he's willing to go he's
Speaker 1: going right for the right, for the right guy. Are
Speaker 1: you willing to go No, I'm willing to go at
Speaker 1: the price of eighty one. You're not willing to go
Speaker 1: at fifth, you know what? You know where I'm so
Speaker 1: that means that you're only willing to go as high
Speaker 1: as like sixteen or seventeen. I have a feeling his
Speaker 1: board in the second round looks pretty good. My second board, yeah,
Speaker 1: my second round board looks really good. And here's also
Speaker 1: what I would prefer doing then than going up because
Speaker 1: at nineteen, I do feel like you're gonna get a
Speaker 1: really good player. Don't say don't say trade back. Uh No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do what we did a few years ago
Speaker 1: with DeMarcus Lawrence. And if you like someone you're at fifty,
Speaker 1: and you like someone sitting there at thirty eight or
Speaker 1: thirty nine or forty or whatever it takes, then put
Speaker 1: eighty one in there and maybe another fourth round or
Speaker 1: whatever you have to do, and get up there and
Speaker 1: get a guy you like that's not gonna get to
Speaker 1: you at fifty. I don't hate that idea, but I
Speaker 1: just did the idea of nineteen for me personally. If
Speaker 1: it's Roquan. Yeah, let's move, let's go do it, you know,
Speaker 1: because I think he's that special. I think Derwin's really good.
Speaker 1: I love Derwin James. I just don't want to give
Speaker 1: up pick fifty. What about would you trade up for
Speaker 1: Ridley if it looks like he's not gonna last? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd give up the third rounder to get Ridley? Okay, No,
Speaker 1: you know what? Now you got me wafflin. Because there's
Speaker 1: about a million wide receivers. Yeah, they're not all as
Speaker 1: good as so I will say ness, yo, just a
Speaker 1: domination of yes, and I was I did not pick up.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. Okay, yeah, on the draft,
Speaker 1: on the Draft show, we don't waffle. So you're gonna
Speaker 1: go or not. I've got six seconds round wide receivers.
Speaker 1: I've got eight third round wide receivers brought us. I
Speaker 1: got eight fourth round wide receivers. I'm gonna get a
Speaker 1: wide receiver later. Yeah. I'm not moving well, okay, sitting
Speaker 1: tight and you feel quality. You feel good about all
Speaker 1: the guys though. Right If nineteen means take a guard,
Speaker 1: we'll take a guard. What's this team do they run
Speaker 1: the ball? They need to protect the quarterback. Let's get
Speaker 1: the guard. He's making sense to me. I mean, so
Speaker 1: you're only going up. You're not going up for Derwin James,
Speaker 1: not panic. He's going for Derwin James Q. And you're
Speaker 1: going Okay, here talking into qu I'm talking to but
Speaker 1: hey should need to talk abo. His work out this
Speaker 1: morning at Georgia. Okay, Betty looked great. Yeah, always looks great.
Speaker 1: Just throwing the film. That's just great film to watch.
Speaker 1: You know what happened? You watch other Remember watching that
Speaker 1: Georgia tackle the other day, the try hard guy? Why
Speaker 1: my Trenton Thompson. Trenton Thompson watching t Yeah, we're that point.
Speaker 1: We're watching Trenton Thompson Georgia tackle. He's like Thompson, Okay, good,
Speaker 1: good good. Oh well, three's making a play. Three's making
Speaker 1: another play. Oh, three's made a third play in a row.
Speaker 1: I'm just watching three now. I'm not watching Thompson rushed.
Speaker 1: The people's distracted. This happened too. That happens with the
Speaker 1: guys who aren't even getting drafted this year. Like we're
Speaker 1: watching the bad I should say bad. But a late
Speaker 1: round linebacker from Ohio State, Jerome Baker Baker and sitting
Speaker 1: there going, Oh my god, Joey Bosa's brother, that kid
Speaker 1: can play. Get ready for next January. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Top five. Hey, all right, Dave, thank you for putting
Speaker 1: that together though again Dallas Day will be the same.
Speaker 1: Thank you to all of our comports on Twitter. We're
Speaker 1: helping us get that Bobby Belt. Guys like that. You're
Speaker 1: tremendous and hustling and getting that information. That is awesome
Speaker 1: the way you guys kind of put that together. We'll
Speaker 1: get the list together and try and get all thirty
Speaker 1: guys for you for another Draft Day, another show on
Speaker 1: the Draft Show coming up. We're gonna get into a
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Speaker 1: do a lot of pro Pro days are in full swing.
Speaker 1: He saw Sam Darnold work out earlier this week, so
Speaker 1: Austin wants to know. He says, he thinks pro days
Speaker 1: seems so overblown. Has a quarterback ever had a Pro
Speaker 1: day so bad that it actually cost him his draft stock.
Speaker 1: I'm talking first round guys. That's a good question because
Speaker 1: I've been a part of some pro days where quarterbacks
Speaker 1: have thrown, but they're not been top guys. You know,
Speaker 1: they've been like guys like Okay, that solidifies that guy
Speaker 1: shouldn't be picked. You know, you're kind of watching them throw.
Speaker 1: What about the studs though, Yeah, I would venture no,
Speaker 1: because they're scripted. That's funny. I had a discussion with
Speaker 1: Scott Linahan about this the other day, and I asked
Speaker 1: him because he ran the pro day for his son
Speaker 1: at Idaho, and he thought, it's not about volume, but
Speaker 1: what you show the scouts, you know, it's not about
Speaker 1: throwing the ball eighty times, just about making them right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he said, you know, you look at some
Speaker 1: of these pro days and they have eighty throws and
Speaker 1: the kid and misses eight, nine, ten of him and
Speaker 1: it makes him look bad. Just kind of showcase some throws,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of keep it simple to where the
Speaker 1: scouts get an idea. Prove that you can throw. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're standing on the you're standing on the right hash
Speaker 1: you make the left sideline throw stand you could you
Speaker 1: could fit the ball inside on the end, don't you're
Speaker 1: you're accurate on the out and speed out. You know,
Speaker 1: the combine kind of goes through a lot of things
Speaker 1: if you felt. But I don't think I've ever seen
Speaker 1: a workout just totally totally just mess a kid up badly.
Speaker 1: I've seen some kids not throw well at the combine
Speaker 1: and then throw better at the pro Day, which actually helped.
Speaker 1: I think it's usually the opposite that I remember. You know,
Speaker 1: as recently as two years ago, everybody was all over
Speaker 1: golf because of his hands. Yeah. Yeah, Pro Day was
Speaker 1: so heavily scrutinized. They like dunked his hands in water.
Speaker 1: He went one over if I'm remembering correctly, the Bridgewater
Speaker 1: one where he wore gloves and everyone was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought he wasn't gonna wear gloves. Yeah, well, if
Speaker 1: you knew him as a player, as you watched him
Speaker 1: as a player, you knew he wore gloves going into
Speaker 1: the into whatever. That's what he is, that's what he does,
Speaker 1: that's how he plays. So yeah, that's kind of where
Speaker 1: it's at. Our boy, b schlurf. I think, um, I
Speaker 1: actually hadn't seen this, So kudos to all y'all on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I guess the Cowboys reportedly worked out Dane's guy, Nathan
Speaker 1: Shepherd from Fort Hayes. Yeah, the D three defensive tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we got we got like eight questions about this
Speaker 1: guy today, which so and we've talked about him on
Speaker 1: the show before, but just as a refresher, what's what's
Speaker 1: your range on him? You know where? Where would they
Speaker 1: have to draft him? What do y'all think about him?
Speaker 1: Go ahead, man, Well, I could play the one or
Speaker 1: the three. But here's the thing that everyone gets a
Speaker 1: little worked up about with him is that he went
Speaker 1: to a school called Fort Hayes State. Yeah, and if
Speaker 1: you watch tape on Fort Hayes State game, they have
Speaker 1: the bounce house in the end zone. It's still great,
Speaker 1: it's really good. I have him as my number one
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in the third round, ahead of guys like
Speaker 1: Harrison Phillips, who you see a lot. Yeah, world, but
Speaker 1: Shephard would give you value at the three. I think
Speaker 1: he could place him one. He's about three ten. I
Speaker 1: don't know what his official combine measurement was, but about
Speaker 1: three ten is what I had him actually, And I
Speaker 1: just think he's a type of guy who he plays with,
Speaker 1: good power, good violence. Yeah. Good. You know you look
Speaker 1: for a good butt right there if you're looking for
Speaker 1: a you know, a big old buttone the ways you
Speaker 1: can get away with saying that on the air. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's look he looked awesome and dominant in Division two. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing. I don't have tape of him
Speaker 1: going up again. Yeah. I think if you go back
Speaker 1: and look at his Senior Bowl stuff too, it was
Speaker 1: actually pretty good as well. The measurements on him is
Speaker 1: six h three six dave less when I do this
Speaker 1: six zo three six six h three six, So he
Speaker 1: six four three h fifteen pounds. Good calling that one kat.
Speaker 1: The speed you're gonna have him at is right about.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be seven about five one one Yeah, is
Speaker 1: what you know what this team looks for. The get
Speaker 1: off the ball right there. And I mean, MALIEK. Collins,
Speaker 1: one of his good better traits was I'm the first
Speaker 1: one off the line of scrimmage. Nathan Shepherd gives you
Speaker 1: that type of thing. Oh, this is a disruptive cat.
Speaker 1: I mean you watch him playing games and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, it's not again, it's Division
Speaker 1: it's it's a lower division than all that. But I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of like I was always impressed with him,
Speaker 1: and like I said, the Senior Bowl stuff didn't look
Speaker 1: too big for him. I mean, it wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 1: too big, and you know he was. He showed up
Speaker 1: and he battled there, he broke his hand, He beat
Speaker 1: Will Hernandez a lot. Yeah, and that kind of got
Speaker 1: everybody's That got every attention. But I'm looking at my
Speaker 1: notes real quick. Here really good in his hands. Katie
Speaker 1: talked about that plays with some power, hold the point,
Speaker 1: plays with punch, can drive his man. Plays a little
Speaker 1: tall at times. The word violence you use that, I
Speaker 1: got that one as well, squeezed down. He'll get in
Speaker 1: some personal battles and that'll hurt him finding the football.
Speaker 1: He'll kind of like getting tied up with a guy
Speaker 1: and then the ball goes by him right there. But
Speaker 1: he could beat double teams. He attacks the gaps. He's
Speaker 1: a hard guy to move, falls back inside to make plays.
Speaker 1: I mean he plays outside the tackle box. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of good things to like about Nathan Shepherd from
Speaker 1: Fort Hay State. As Katie said, don't let the school
Speaker 1: hein't cover your eyes. Cowboys once found a pretty good
Speaker 1: defensive lineman from a nobody's school in Kansas by the
Speaker 1: name of Leon Lett. Yeah, so yeah, um Matthew Matthew says,
Speaker 1: seems like most of the safeties in this draft when
Speaker 1: we talk about him, you know, you call them box guys. Yes,
Speaker 1: what about are there any center fielders in this draft?
Speaker 1: Which this I have a theory here that maybe in
Speaker 1: a single draft class, you've got like one or two
Speaker 1: safeties that you feel good about, like as cover guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and those guys go early. That's your Malie Cooker and
Speaker 1: you're you know, your Derwin James type safety. So yeah,
Speaker 1: pro tell me if I'm wrong. But like, if you
Speaker 1: feel great about a safety in coverage, he's probably not
Speaker 1: lasting as far down in the draft as you would think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know about UKT. I mean I think a
Speaker 1: guys like Jesse Bates I've said his name from Wake four, Yeah,
Speaker 1: as a guy that I would like, the guy that
Speaker 1: I really like. My pet cat is the golden kid
Speaker 1: from Tennessee, and I think that I think did he's
Speaker 1: a He's he plays the guy that put the double
Speaker 1: birds on the fan. Apologize, but I bet yeah he
Speaker 1: did apologize after they got just drove by Alabama. But ahead,
Speaker 1: I think to me that he's a guy that could play.
Speaker 1: He plays corner, he plays slot, he can cover, He's
Speaker 1: not fraid to get involved with tackles. He's physical, he
Speaker 1: shows range. Don't let the four six one speak. He
Speaker 1: plays so much faster than that. He's got a burst,
Speaker 1: He's got range. I would like to see him play
Speaker 1: him Bates as another guy, like I mentioned, give me
Speaker 1: the guys that if we've got plenty of those guys
Speaker 1: that could play down now. I mean, and it might
Speaker 1: mean Xavier Woods. I mean we as a group campaigned
Speaker 1: for Xavier Woods last year and maybe that's their way
Speaker 1: of doing things now with moving Byron Jones, it's gonna say, okay,
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods, you're gonna be now our free safety. If
Speaker 1: they go get a second backup type of guy again,
Speaker 1: Bates Golden, those are the types of guys that I
Speaker 1: would uh surely look at the kid from in state though, uhi,
Speaker 1: and they pick yeah, yeah, Marcus Allen's the guy ever
Speaker 1: what is excited about it? But he's a he But yeah,
Speaker 1: Marcus Allen's a down down the box. He's a down
Speaker 1: the box player. The more he the deeper he plays,
Speaker 1: the worst he plays. I want he never gets there.
Speaker 1: I mean he's never He just never gets to where
Speaker 1: he needs to be. I'm gonna take this opportunity to
Speaker 1: steal a line from Brad Sham that I loved a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago when he was here at the office,
Speaker 1: which you know, we talk about safe here, we talk
Speaker 1: about safety. I'm just we talk about safety a lot,
Speaker 1: and people think that means that, like you know that
Speaker 1: I don't have any faith that like Xavier Woods or
Speaker 1: Cavan Frasier can be a good safety. That's not the
Speaker 1: case at all. It's just that hope is not a strategy,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to hope that those guys are
Speaker 1: gonna blossom into great players. Yeah, throw throw bodies at
Speaker 1: the problem until somebody steps up and fixes it, exactly. UM.
Speaker 1: Current event question from Stephen how will trading Jason Pierre
Speaker 1: Paul affect the Giant's draft strategy? They sent him to
Speaker 1: Tampa this morning. They did for a third and a
Speaker 1: fourth or the fourth for Dave Gentleman. What you think
Speaker 1: which and to they so that that they weren't missing
Speaker 1: picks they've got, so they've no I thought that if
Speaker 1: Seattle that's missing a two and a three, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the team to New York. The Giants, they've got their company.
Speaker 1: New York is picking two thirty four sixty six, so
Speaker 1: that's their first three and then add whatever Tampa's third
Speaker 1: and fourth are onto that. So they're gonna gets like
Speaker 1: sixty eight. They're gonna be picking a lot in the top.
Speaker 1: You can I ask you a giant's question then about that?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna are you gonna stand in there and
Speaker 1: take Chubb? Now? Are you gonna stand in there and
Speaker 1: take him and turn down all these potential draft offers
Speaker 1: maybe a huge one from the Jets, maybe a mountin
Speaker 1: of Jets, a huge one from Buffalo? Maybe yeah, Are
Speaker 1: you gonna sit there and are you gonna say we're
Speaker 1: gonna take Chubb now at two and just move on
Speaker 1: with our way without? I mean, is it worth it
Speaker 1: to you to take all those picks and try and
Speaker 1: make your team better that way? Or take Chubb and say, okay,
Speaker 1: that's what we are. We're just gonna go order of
Speaker 1: things that I'm doing there too, Okay, I am looking
Speaker 1: for offers I'm trying to get a better offer than
Speaker 1: what the Jets just got with then with the Jets,
Speaker 1: Buffalo better offer. Yeah, okay, so I'm looking for that. Yeah. Two,
Speaker 1: I'm taking my next franchise quarterback at number two. Yeah. Three,
Speaker 1: I'm taking Bradley chib Okay, so in the Giants order
Speaker 1: of things. Yeah, keep in mind that quarterback. The Giants
Speaker 1: still have Olivier Vernon. Yeah, and they still I mean,
Speaker 1: I know he's not an end, but they have Snacks Harrison,
Speaker 1: so like they have talent on their D line. Right. Wait,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, Bradley Chubb would be a great
Speaker 1: addition to any D line, right, but I wonder how
Speaker 1: drastic it is for them. I don't know. And I
Speaker 1: mean when I think about what the Bills would be
Speaker 1: prepared to give them, I mean what it would cost.
Speaker 1: And I'm stealing this from somebody else. But like when
Speaker 1: it comes to jumping ten spots to draft a quarterback,
Speaker 1: throw the chart out the window. No, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: You can ask whatever at six to three. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, ask for whatever you want, because if a
Speaker 1: team wants a quarterback badly enough, they'll pay it. Oh no,
Speaker 1: they will. They will then, So that's the main I'm
Speaker 1: I'm trying to fleece the Bills, is what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do, first and foremost, because I know twelve is
Speaker 1: a long way to trade, but you'll still get a
Speaker 1: really good player, and then you'll pick again at twenty two,
Speaker 1: and then you'll have a one for next year, and
Speaker 1: probably you'll pick again in the second round. I bet
Speaker 1: you could get a second or third round pick in
Speaker 1: addition to everything else. This is gonna sound really strange,
Speaker 1: but I would do. You haven't done the quarterbacks yet,
Speaker 1: and I this is my guy, Mike White from Western Kentucky.
Speaker 1: If I'm the Giants and I'm pick him at thirty four,
Speaker 1: thirty four, absolutely okay, Yeah, I know we're getting Yeah,
Speaker 1: add him to the man. I mean to me, he
Speaker 1: looks like the one guy. And again you're talking to
Speaker 1: a guy that sucks at evaluating quarterbacks, but he look
Speaker 1: I talked to some guys in the building that are like,
Speaker 1: I know the Cowboys are going to work Mike White out.
Speaker 1: I know that them and the kid from they do
Speaker 1: want to They want to development quarterback like I would
Speaker 1: guess the Cowboys are gonna try to draft one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean, they're gonna go work this guy out
Speaker 1: to me? Take it a quarterback at two? Okay, maybe not.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should take this, take this guy, Mike White,
Speaker 1: or maybe I should take you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I could, you know, I can, I can piece the
Speaker 1: logic on that together, because I mean, if you're kind
Speaker 1: of a situation depends on how much you like you yeah, yeah, no, No,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to say, and you like a guy,
Speaker 1: yeah a bit, but maybe darnold your first time, Maybe
Speaker 1: he doesn't. Maybe Mike White later out of out, just
Speaker 1: outside the mix of the six guys, maybe he is
Speaker 1: the guy that make you say, We'll make you say
Speaker 1: I don't have to have a quarterback at two if well,
Speaker 1: if you're day, if you like him that much, if
Speaker 1: you're at two, you take a quarterback you Oh sure.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make an argument with you. This is
Speaker 1: the same an argument about that that this is. This
Speaker 1: is the same show where the Cowboys picked it for
Speaker 1: and everybody on this show was basically an agreement that
Speaker 1: they didn't need a quarterback. So I'm not going to
Speaker 1: kill the giants if they decide I'm gonna kill the
Speaker 1: team that takes Josh Allen, Well, oh easily that means
Speaker 1: go away? Yeah, no way. But if I'm Dave Gettlman Wait,
Speaker 1: do you see that tape? If I've seen a little bit,
Speaker 1: but actual tape you watch, just leave me alone about that. No,
Speaker 1: I don't want no go away, But I mean, if
Speaker 1: Eli Manning gives you the best chance to win over
Speaker 1: the next three years, and you can add to me,
Speaker 1: you can add to the team around him without just
Speaker 1: not wasting a pick but drafting a guy too overall
Speaker 1: who's not gonna play. Yeah, I'm all in on that, especial.
Speaker 1: And you tell me I can draft a guy at
Speaker 1: thirty four and pair him with the guy pair him
Speaker 1: with twenty two? You like, whatever, we gotta get ahead
Speaker 1: of What if the Giants traded back and got Quentin
Speaker 1: Nelson at twelve whatever, that's probably low, but just bear
Speaker 1: with me. You get a guard or my guy, James Daniels,
Speaker 1: Like I said, you get a guy who can start
Speaker 1: right away. And then they lost their center and they
Speaker 1: draft Lamar Jackson at twenty two, then I would be
Speaker 1: taking before that. Well, then you could use all your picks.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna go out that night of the gonna
Speaker 1: be cheering for the Giants. I'll just if the Giants
Speaker 1: could do a lot of stuff that was sure, they
Speaker 1: could really scary for you. Sure they could, That's all
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, if get them in places right, he
Speaker 1: can have he could, he could hurt you for a
Speaker 1: little bit. Would you would you let the Giants trade
Speaker 1: up to nineteen to get Lamar if they were sitting
Speaker 1: at twenty two. We're like so deep in the weeds
Speaker 1: right now, but I don't care what about that though
Speaker 1: the Giants are trying to get it. Would I take
Speaker 1: Lamar a nineteen? Would you? I bet you would? But
Speaker 1: I don't think they would. I don't think they would,
Speaker 1: either the Giants or the cowboys. We're talking about the
Speaker 1: cowboy cowboys. It's having fun, right If having fun, we're
Speaker 1: just throwing out scenarios. We've talked about that on here before,
Speaker 1: Like if they were completely wiped out and they couldn't
Speaker 1: get out of it, I mean, I would do it.
Speaker 1: Whatever you have to get ahead of the quarterback situation?
Speaker 1: Do you do it? There? You sit there and take
Speaker 1: calls all day? Yeah, but your next options to be
Speaker 1: ready to take rosen or Mayfield or I'm with you,
Speaker 1: not Josh Allen. That's a bad pick. Challenge your second
Speaker 1: best quarterback, then get out of there. Okay, we're gonna
Speaker 1: go to a break when we come back. Thank you
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Speaker 1: your life. Speaking of the aforementioned at Taylor Stern, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the program, my friend, so much. Nice to have
Speaker 1: you back. Happy to be back in the building. We
Speaker 1: discussed earlier some different things that we could talk about today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you kind of throw a stone in the fire upstairs,
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm glad we have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: bring you on and let you Oh, I'm glad you're wise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all I gotta say here. I try old man wise. No,
Speaker 1: you're you're very wise and it's been proven, but you know, hellman.
Speaker 1: And yeah, even unfortunately Katie is another questionable topic here. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: my take, I'm thrown at you guys. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: So this is the Draft Show, right, Marily covering all
Speaker 1: draft things right and Cowboys fans are up in arms
Speaker 1: this past week with free agency, thinking that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are essentially doomed. Right. To me, it feels like preseason,
Speaker 1: you know, when a team goes four and oh and
Speaker 1: the preseason, Oh they're the next super Bowl winner, Cleland.
Speaker 1: But not true, Yeah, not true. Yeah, the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is that preseason is a random team. It's
Speaker 1: not even your fifty three man roster mostly playing. It's
Speaker 1: an assortment. So coming back to free agency, Cowboys fans
Speaker 1: want them to go out and get the big names,
Speaker 1: or at least that's what I'm seeing on Twitter. Right,
Speaker 1: it seems like they keep saying, oh, they've done nothing. Right,
Speaker 1: I think they've done something. And with the current free
Speaker 1: agents that they had in this year particular, right, I'm
Speaker 1: not upset with the moves that they've made. Okay, so
Speaker 1: you're you're you're thinking, you're lyne of thinking is though,
Speaker 1: draft is the most important Draft is the most important thing. Yes,
Speaker 1: ten picks. Yeah, you know, I think that the I
Speaker 1: think that he will argue with me about that. He
Speaker 1: likes balance in the thing, and I see, I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta supplement. You got to be able to do
Speaker 1: what you need to do. That's the point of it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the point. And I think that to me, I
Speaker 1: am on board with the Cowboys approach. Not because Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones signs my check. I'm on a board because I
Speaker 1: like to draft. But but I could also see where
Speaker 1: that's not enough. I get it. But I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: ten shots at this thing. I'm going to I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move around. I'm gonna do whatever I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to do. What if I told you you could
Speaker 1: take ESPN thirty for thirty. What if I told you
Speaker 1: you could take seven shots and then spend three draft
Speaker 1: picks to bring in like some better Okay, so you're
Speaker 1: saying I need to trade, saying trade, make trades, use
Speaker 1: what asset I have. Can't rely on the draft, which
Speaker 1: is historically a crapshoot, and if you're good at it,
Speaker 1: it's the one thing that they're good at here. But
Speaker 1: even my right, even if you're if you're great at
Speaker 1: the draft, isn't it still only yielding like sixty to
Speaker 1: seventy percent success? Well, like even the good teams do
Speaker 1: they hit on every single pick? Does every pick you
Speaker 1: make in a draft? Agency? Why they're chilling out on
Speaker 1: free agency though? But because of what happened years ago,
Speaker 1: you think that's in the case with with with with
Speaker 1: with Brandon Carr, that's why what then that's about? Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't have a problem with Brandy Carr. But what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is, like the best for agent signing they've
Speaker 1: had is a guy like Jeremy Mincy over the last
Speaker 1: five years. And that's kind of weird to me if
Speaker 1: we start looking at it and going, Okay, I understand
Speaker 1: what they're doing. They don't need to be restructuring Jeremy.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Mincy would is like a great signing compared to
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that they've done. I mean, Jeremy
Speaker 1: Mincy had six sacks. That's get me a guy that
Speaker 1: can get six sacks for I think they paid him
Speaker 1: two million a year or maybe it was one point
Speaker 1: five a year. Even Vincent Mayo that first year. I mean,
Speaker 1: somebody lacks but go ahead, no, no, go ahead and
Speaker 1: make your point. What was it? The point is, like
Speaker 1: cod they start restructuring contracts that they were doing all
Speaker 1: the time, just flipping switches, and people act like there
Speaker 1: is no salary kept. No there is. Yeah, And like
Speaker 1: if Tyrn's got a bad back, I don't need to
Speaker 1: be restructuring his contract into each Oh. I think that's
Speaker 1: I think that we didn't see that this year. It
Speaker 1: was Travis Frederick. That's going to be the flip. When
Speaker 1: that happened, you trusted him to stay healthy. Yeah, Now, Dave.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I'm saying that I've seen the
Speaker 1: shift in the NFL particularly, and then the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: at the forefront of that with what they did with
Speaker 1: the secondary last year. Yeah, that this is such a
Speaker 1: young man's league, right league. I mean, we were just
Speaker 1: talking about receivers that are thirty and oh they're out
Speaker 1: of it, they're past their prime. Well, the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is is like when you go on free agency,
Speaker 1: these guys are a little bit older because they've been
Speaker 1: with other teams, right, they've experienced other things, They've had
Speaker 1: other injuries that you don't know about. With the draft,
Speaker 1: you have a lot more control about the projection of
Speaker 1: their career. You do, No, you absolutely do. And like
Speaker 1: for the record, drafting is the right way to do this,
Speaker 1: like it should be the foundation of your team. But
Speaker 1: to assume that you can just replenish guys through the
Speaker 1: draft and let them go as they age and not
Speaker 1: look for other ways to stock your roster, I just
Speaker 1: think that's wrong. I mean, and you know you mentioned
Speaker 1: you feel like it's the preseason. Teams that perform well
Speaker 1: in free agency don't usually amount to anything that is
Speaker 1: true to a degree. And if you're out there throwing
Speaker 1: Tomi Dolphins two years ago. How about the Philadelphia Eagles
Speaker 1: last year? Okay, well that's because their fans were pumped
Speaker 1: on their free agency moves. I think their fans probably
Speaker 1: were because they looked good. They got a very good
Speaker 1: wide receiver on a very team friendly deal. They traded
Speaker 1: for a first round defensive tackle and didn't give up
Speaker 1: a lot to get it. They signed a veteran Chris Long,
Speaker 1: who the Cowboys were interested in two years ago, who
Speaker 1: they couldn't get their hands on because of New England England.
Speaker 1: They didn't pay them a lot of money. I think
Speaker 1: it wasn't sexy, and I don't know that they were
Speaker 1: hosting parades in free agency, but I think that they
Speaker 1: were all very happy about the way that those deals
Speaker 1: panned out. And that's that's where I'm at, which is
Speaker 1: that did they have to resign anyone big on their
Speaker 1: team before they made moves? Well, they have. They redo
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson's conj have Fletcher Cox, they have Lane john
Speaker 1: franchise tag anyone. No, no, you had a franchise tag
Speaker 1: one of your best defense events, that's the best defensive vents.
Speaker 1: That's fine, and they should have. I'm in favor of
Speaker 1: that move. They could still be doing more. And you're right,
Speaker 1: there is a salary cap. There's also a way around
Speaker 1: that salary cap. Like, but we've been I've been saying
Speaker 1: it since I'm till I'm blue in the face. Morgan
Speaker 1: Burnett's getting four and a half a million dollars a year. Dude,
Speaker 1: you can accomlatch Morgan Burnette player break and he's good,
Speaker 1: you can. You can accommodate. He's got to get hurt.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get hurt. Love, but five million dollars you
Speaker 1: can acc And you know, I worry about bringing this
Speaker 1: name up because I went to LSU and I don't
Speaker 1: want to look like a homer. Tyron Matthew seven million
Speaker 1: dollars a year or for one year on a prove
Speaker 1: it deal. You can accommodate that too, if you really want. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me well, let me just real quick there, Okay,
Speaker 1: then tell me how you would use Tyron Matthew. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and and and no, I'm just staying scheme wise,
Speaker 1: and will this coaching staff do it the way you
Speaker 1: want to do it? Off the top of my head
Speaker 1: without like knowing that I'm not an expert. I would
Speaker 1: use him a lot like they use Xavier Wood Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: which is that he can play slot corner and he
Speaker 1: could probably be your third safety in nickel and dime situations.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to put him back in center field
Speaker 1: all the time, but I think he would be a
Speaker 1: massive upgrade. And I would try to put him into
Speaker 1: situations where he can be a freelancer because that's what
Speaker 1: he's good at and you think these guys are capable
Speaker 1: of that. If they're not, then that's a problem. Then
Speaker 1: that needs to be changed out. I mean, just figure
Speaker 1: something out and then that's you know, I'm I'm tired
Speaker 1: of hearing things like, well, he doesn't fit, and if
Speaker 1: it's if it's a schmo, fine, but if you're talking
Speaker 1: about a Pro Bowl player not being able to fit,
Speaker 1: that's a problem. For Let's tie this back. Income pro
Speaker 1: Bowl player fit, make your scheme fit if he's good enough.
Speaker 1: I mean, if if you can't find a way to
Speaker 1: use a guy that that's talent, that's that talented, that's bizarre. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's tie this all back in the draft. It goes
Speaker 1: back to the one technique thing man you on board
Speaker 1: with the I mean they will not they will you
Speaker 1: know the one I've brought. Are they too? Scheme depended here?
Speaker 1: I think I think they're stubborn, stubborn across the ball.
Speaker 1: I think that I think they're stubborn. I think they
Speaker 1: like their guys and so sure, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a coincidence that you know the guys. It's
Speaker 1: it's very peculiar, peculiar and coincidental to me that the
Speaker 1: fullback all the Walley and Joe Thomas have both spent
Speaker 1: time here in their career, so they're even familiar with
Speaker 1: them on at least some kind of level. They liked
Speaker 1: them enough to bring them in at one point in
Speaker 1: their career. Whether you call it you know they're afraid
Speaker 1: of getting burned by a guy they're not familiar with,
Speaker 1: or whether they're just stubborn and they think the guys
Speaker 1: that they evaluate are better than the guys other people evaluate,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but there's something there. There's a stubbornness there.
Speaker 1: I think I respect their persistence on just relying on
Speaker 1: the scheme and this is what we do, and like,
Speaker 1: I think it's weird and it kind of bothers me sometimes,
Speaker 1: but I actually respect it, Like they go back with it,
Speaker 1: do you? We don't. We don't take a one and
Speaker 1: it's fun. I'm like, I would adjust to it. But hey,
Speaker 1: do you guys believe in something you respect? I wish
Speaker 1: I believe Bolts. I wish I believe the handborn plane
Speaker 1: right now, Kent. That's what taste takes you, m I
Speaker 1: wish I believed in something as much as the Cowboys
Speaker 1: believe in their scheme. That's the other I bring it
Speaker 1: up all the time, and I know, like, you're not
Speaker 1: high on him, he would you would call him a bust,
Speaker 1: but give up a third round pick and get a
Speaker 1: fifth in return and add Danny Shelton to this defensive
Speaker 1: line and just let him. Oh no, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think Danny Shelton's a bust. I just think I
Speaker 1: think it's Danny Shelton the right way. Let him take
Speaker 1: on blocks and free up your linebackers to make plays,
Speaker 1: and he'd be way better at it than a guy
Speaker 1: that you draft in the seventh round. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think that's worth swapping draft picks for for
Speaker 1: And again, one year the Eagles sent I think they
Speaker 1: sent a third to Baltimore for Timmy Jernigan. Yeah, they're like,
Speaker 1: this might not work out. Well, it did and they
Speaker 1: gave him an extension and he's a valuable part of
Speaker 1: their defense. All right, well, we'll see you on Eagles
Speaker 1: dot Com. Think hey, you want to it's a copycat lead.
Speaker 1: My main point of this whole discussion was that Cowboys
Speaker 1: fans have an optimistic silver lining at the end of
Speaker 1: this tunnel in the fact that you have ten draft picks,
Speaker 1: primarily what you've done last year in free agency, letting
Speaker 1: big name guys go in mo Clayborne, Berry Church, those guys, etc.
Speaker 1: So all I'm saying is, at least look at the
Speaker 1: fact that your past Pro bowlers, your big time Pro bowlers,
Speaker 1: have all been draft picks. You're absolutely right, like, there's
Speaker 1: all there's all the reason in the world to be
Speaker 1: optimistic that they're going to find some really good players
Speaker 1: in this draft. But it's not realistic to think that
Speaker 1: all of those got I mean twenty sixteen draft class
Speaker 1: don't come along every day you find an all Pro
Speaker 1: quarterback and all Pro running back and a six sack
Speaker 1: defensive tackle with your first four picks. Very off, bringing
Speaker 1: up Anthony Brown him too. You're right, You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: He deserves credit too. That doesn't come around every year,
Speaker 1: and it's not realistic to think that those guys are
Speaker 1: going to put you over the top on a team
Speaker 1: that fell short of the playoffs. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: with the move for Sammy Watkins, do you question now
Speaker 1: the pro personnel side of it. I mean, she's trying
Speaker 1: to tell you need to go draft. There's I mean,
Speaker 1: does that kind of make you pause a little bit?
Speaker 1: Like WHOA? This team almost feels schizophrenic right now. Like
Speaker 1: on one hand, they're they're reluctant to bring in guys
Speaker 1: and spend a lot of money, and on the other hand,
Speaker 1: the report is that they were trying to give Sammy
Speaker 1: Watker sack million dollars. Yeah, it's it's like they don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what they want to do, which is goodness.
Speaker 1: They didn't do the Packs and Lynch deal. Hey oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm talking if we're talking about draft too. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was the back that was the other backup plan. Right,
Speaker 1: There's a million different ways all that stuff can go.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, you know, Sammy Watkins could be
Speaker 1: the number one receiver on this team, right Now, if
Speaker 1: Kansas City hadn't decided to up the offer, if the
Speaker 1: Paxton Winch thing happened, Garrett wouldn't have a job right now.
Speaker 1: They would all have been wiped out. I know, he's
Speaker 1: done pretty good at the broncos M. He's rocks a
Speaker 1: lot of hats. He was crying on the sidelines, a
Speaker 1: lot of hats, although it was a pretty bad at
Speaker 1: the at then, I mean, I think we're all in agreement.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the draft show. The draft is
Speaker 1: the most important piece of team building in top picks, babe,
Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about. And honestly, today's point it
Speaker 1: worked out beautifully for them in the sense that they
Speaker 1: let a lot of salary go in the offseason last
Speaker 1: year and replaced it with young defensive backs who look
Speaker 1: like they have all the upside of the world. Um,
Speaker 1: I need Cavon Frasier. You know Bury Church Now, well,
Speaker 1: Cason point right, but well you're James. Cavon Frasier is
Speaker 1: going to become Cavon Frasier is going to become Burry
Speaker 1: Church just in time to leave. And then you're gonna
Speaker 1: let him go, and then you're gonna have the same
Speaker 1: problem how is that any different than Smith becoming just
Speaker 1: good enough to leave? You're right, no, I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean they just questions on if if all you're doing
Speaker 1: is drafting, then I feel like you're on a four
Speaker 1: and five year cycle where you're never fixing your problems
Speaker 1: enough to really bolster your team. Like you know, I
Speaker 1: said this off the air to Taylor, it's like the
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones analogy of holding jello, Like as soon as
Speaker 1: you feel good about it another you know, it's sports
Speaker 1: out the other side of your head. But let's be
Speaker 1: honest about the real problems, the real problems last year
Speaker 1: for this team that caused them to miss the playoffs.
Speaker 1: There's a suspension and a bad bad and well and
Speaker 1: a bad hand I get and a slot player that
Speaker 1: was half the production. That's and that's all. I bet
Speaker 1: you that's a big part of the reason. Like they
Speaker 1: don't they think we're ridiculous for the amount of concern
Speaker 1: there is, because I'm sure they see themselves as a
Speaker 1: much better team and win ten games next year to
Speaker 1: be to be. I mean, they were rolling when Zeke
Speaker 1: got suspended, They really were. I mean they they kicked
Speaker 1: the crap out of the Chiefs. So I get that,
Speaker 1: and and I like you know, I always say this,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's as dire as a lot of
Speaker 1: frustrated fans want to make it out to be. But
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a bad idea to
Speaker 1: also ignore your problems and act like you're good and
Speaker 1: not try to bolster your team. Okay, two quick questions
Speaker 1: for the panel. If I could, this team we got
Speaker 1: on the mail back this morning. This is team at
Speaker 1: nine and seven, worse at nine the worse now than
Speaker 1: they were at the end of the area. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: worse now than they worked the end of the year.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, I don't think they are. Okay,
Speaker 1: you your top two tackles were hurt, Your running back
Speaker 1: was coming off a suspension, your linebackers were in disarray.
Speaker 1: All that stuff you would assume would be better in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. You're going to add a draft class to that.
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchens is something worth worrying about. But you've signed
Speaker 1: a linebacker to help with that. You're going to draft
Speaker 1: a linebacker to help with that. So no, I don't
Speaker 1: you know. When it's all said and downe, No, I
Speaker 1: don't think they're worse than they were at the end
Speaker 1: of the ally. I think they're about the same, do
Speaker 1: you really, Yeah, which is hey nine and seven, Yeah,
Speaker 1: eight and eight, Yeah, and around there. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I just I don't think an Anthony Hitchins makes this
Speaker 1: team worse. What do you think take losing Anthony Hitchins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it makes the team overall worse. Doesn't
Speaker 1: make them better. No, but it's not. It's not one
Speaker 1: of those things that if it makes you makes you
Speaker 1: think the whole roster suck. If you do what you
Speaker 1: have to do and protect Shaun Lee and Jaylen, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's whatever you draft someone think, Yeah, and I agree
Speaker 1: with you. I mean they have for the most part,
Speaker 1: they have the starting personnel to get the job done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Anthony Hitchins was still gone four games to start
Speaker 1: your season. Granted everyone was like, oh, Hitchens and Lee
Speaker 1: haven't played together. Well, the problem I mean, and the
Speaker 1: problem is they rarely do. And the problem is Tyrons
Speaker 1: had back problems for the last two years. It's it's
Speaker 1: not about what you're starting twenty two can do. It's
Speaker 1: about fortifying everything behind them, which they haven't done well.
Speaker 1: All Right, and in my next question for you guys,
Speaker 1: if you're Jason Garrett, what approach should you take in
Speaker 1: this draft? Their draft meets start, say April ninth, what
Speaker 1: approach if you're if you just play Jason Garrett, what
Speaker 1: should your approach be in this draft. I'm not gamble
Speaker 1: and we're not doing any long term gambles, no project
Speaker 1: betting on We're not betting on nerves to regenerate like
Speaker 1: things like that. If we that's on, that can't happen.
Speaker 1: And I think they all know that. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: everyone knows that what the deal is here, free agency
Speaker 1: is not over. But if we can if we're just
Speaker 1: going to assume that they're not gonna make any major plays,
Speaker 1: if they're not going to add any major players to
Speaker 1: the team as it is right now, they need to
Speaker 1: come out of this draft with three starter caliber, like
Speaker 1: quality players. I'm there. I'm with that. If you can
Speaker 1: give me Dak and Zeke and then one other badass,
Speaker 1: I'm good with it. I'll tell you what I'm with
Speaker 1: you if you can get me too with Kat on this,
Speaker 1: I'm not taking any If I'm Jason Garrett, i am
Speaker 1: not letting them take any projects I'm saying, listen, move up,
Speaker 1: give me guys. Yeah, gi me. I'm being so we're
Speaker 1: going up for real. Qual I'm standing in that up.
Speaker 1: I know my jobs on the line. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: down in flames if that's If that's the case, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try and be as aggressive and get me as
Speaker 1: many players as you can here. They can they can handle,
Speaker 1: get a lot. Get a left guard though, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: get to get a good solid For the record, I
Speaker 1: don't seem runs the ball one way or another. They're
Speaker 1: not done. Yeah, I mean they signed Thompson earlier. They'll
Speaker 1: there's a few more signings left to come. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much. Taylor coming in takes place though. We need
Speaker 1: the hamhorn. Yeah, exactly. I want to thank you again,
Speaker 1: Taylor Stern. I want to thank Katie, Kevin turnerper coming
Speaker 1: in sitting in for Dane Bruger, David Hillman. Thank you.
Speaker 1: We will be back Monday ten am for the Draft show.
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