Speaker 1: Are you leaving?
Speaker 2: I you wanna way back home?
Speaker 3: Either way, we want to be there.
Speaker 4: Doesn't matter how much baggage you claim and give us
Speaker 4: time and a termino and gage.
Speaker 3: We want to send you off Instart.
Speaker 4: You wanna welcome you back home?
Speaker 5: Tell us all about it.
Speaker 3: We scared her?
Speaker 2: Was it fine?
Speaker 4: Mal porn?
Speaker 2: Do you need to ride?
Speaker 5: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?
Speaker 3: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?
Speaker 2: Do your need you ride?
Speaker 5: Ride with Karen and Chris?
Speaker 1: Welcome to Do you need a ride? This is Chris Fairbanks.
Speaker 3: And this is Karen Kilgariff.
Speaker 5: Hello, Karen, my friend.
Speaker 3: Hi, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good, h I just put the bumper back on
Speaker 1: my car.
Speaker 5: Did it fall off well back when you had a Honda?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Towards the end, one of the reasons you wanted to
Speaker 1: get new cars because you're the lenses of your headlights
Speaker 1: were gray and yellowing, and they get cloudy, like an
Speaker 1: old cataract eye. So I ordered, yeah, like an old
Speaker 1: salty sea I and I ordered new headlights just on Amazon.
Speaker 1: I looked at my car and there's brand new headlights
Speaker 1: and they were a one hundred and something dollars, so
Speaker 1: I ordered them and to put them in. So it's
Speaker 1: the bulbs and everything and then in one piece of
Speaker 1: plastic encase in one. You have to take off the bumper,
Speaker 1: you have to take off the grill, you have to
Speaker 1: take you need tools.
Speaker 5: I had to jack it up.
Speaker 1: I had to buy all these little plastic but I
Speaker 1: saved thousands of dollars.
Speaker 3: It is you emotional dollars.
Speaker 5: I really I did my brakes.
Speaker 1: I did which with a friend, so my friend I
Speaker 1: watched him do it, but I bet I could do it.
Speaker 3: Now there's there's the real answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my friend did the brakes, and I stood there
Speaker 1: and said are you okay? For two hours and then yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm ready it. It looks great and I was
Speaker 1: gonna sell it. Now I like it and I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna drive it the end.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing about Hondas, and this is supposed to
Speaker 4: be a driving podcast, so it is relevant.
Speaker 1: They all have an emotional connection the last seven years
Speaker 1: with this Honda.
Speaker 3: That's right, people, The car aspect is missed. Yes here
Speaker 3: Now that we're all on Zoom, so we talk about cars,
Speaker 3: so we have to bring cars man introduce our guests.
Speaker 4: Yes, But the thing about Hondas is like, there's no
Speaker 4: reason to sell your Honda because that thing is solid
Speaker 4: gold and it's going to run until the earth ends, truly.
Speaker 1: But in that same conversation, some old, salty, foggy eyed
Speaker 1: old man will come up and say, but the resale value,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, but if I sell it, then I.
Speaker 5: Gotta buy a new car. And then now it's not
Speaker 5: a time for that.
Speaker 4: No, it isn't no, no, there's no keep a Honda
Speaker 4: if it's not screwing up on you in any way.
Speaker 3: Yep, wait until here's what I did.
Speaker 4: I kept my Honda until I got t boned and
Speaker 4: the whole thing was totaled, and I was lucky. I
Speaker 4: walked away with my life and then I went, okay,
Speaker 4: I'll get a different car this time.
Speaker 3: That's when I did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but getting Tea owned sounds pretty cool.
Speaker 4: It was oh what I'll tell you. It was loud,
Speaker 4: it was fast, and I got to know my airbag.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I think now it's a good time to
Speaker 1: bring our guests in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, you've seen her at clubs and
Speaker 4: colleges all over the country, but most recently, you've seen
Speaker 4: her starring on The Great Norse, Oh, which is a
Speaker 4: wonderful animated series that's on Fox that's brand new or
Speaker 4: very new. I should say, please welcome a Parna Noncherla.
Speaker 5: Hello, how are you? Hi?
Speaker 2: Hello? Hi, Hi guys. How's it going?
Speaker 5: I'm great? Good I was.
Speaker 2: I was like nervous hearing that story, my car accident story. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pretty intense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I seriously have. When I go to sleep, I
Speaker 1: try to think of good things. I think about h
Speaker 1: skateboarding and golf and and girls I want to kiss.
Speaker 1: But every once in a while, a terrible t bone
Speaker 1: accident where the airbags shoot shards of metal something I've
Speaker 1: been getting mail about. I got to replace my airbags.
Speaker 1: I haven't done it yet, but I have. I'm so
Speaker 1: scared of car wrecks and so traumatized by the one
Speaker 1: I was in.
Speaker 5: They're horrifying, they are.
Speaker 2: Have you guys, this is this is going to tie in.
Speaker 2: Just have faith. Did you guys see the movie Hustlers?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: With ye yeah Jalo's Hustlers.
Speaker 6: No, yeah, okay, okay, there's a well do you remember
Speaker 6: that scene where the main character has a dream where
Speaker 6: she's in the backseat and the car has no driver
Speaker 6: in it and it's just cleaning down the road. And
Speaker 6: I was like, is that a common dream people have,
Speaker 6: because that.
Speaker 3: Is I used to have it all the time.
Speaker 5: Really, I had that.
Speaker 3: Yes, I had that dream.
Speaker 4: And it was the roads and where the town I
Speaker 4: grew up, and so it was out in the country
Speaker 4: and it was just this It was middle two Rock Road.
Speaker 4: It was a downhill, probably a thirty degree angle, and
Speaker 4: I would be in the backseat of this big Bronco
Speaker 4: that was racing down this hill and I'd be talking
Speaker 4: to somebody and joking, and then I would look.
Speaker 3: Forward and no one was driving.
Speaker 4: And then the rest of the dream would be me
Speaker 4: trying to get into the driver's seat to put on
Speaker 4: the brakes, and it was so fucking scary. It would
Speaker 4: be fun and then scary immediately. And when I finally
Speaker 4: told someone about that dream, and I had it for months,
Speaker 4: they were like, your life is out of control.
Speaker 1: It's like shit, I really don't like people deciphering your
Speaker 1: dream analysis.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I people always want to do that, and it's and
Speaker 1: it's and they're all supposed to mean something. I don't
Speaker 1: want can it just be a ridiculous dream that everyone.
Speaker 4: Has I'm in sometimes it can't uparna. Have you ever
Speaker 4: been in a car accident or like, do you have
Speaker 4: any of these kinds of stories.
Speaker 6: My first, my first and last driving lesson with my
Speaker 6: dad was he wanted me to just do loops around
Speaker 6: high school. That's a classic, you know, first driving scenario.
Speaker 6: And then he decided I was going to drive home,
Speaker 6: which was like maybe a five minute drive back, but
Speaker 6: we had to turn into like a main busy thoroughfare
Speaker 6: and I was like, I'm not ready for this. I
Speaker 6: could barely handle an empty parking lot. And he, you know,
Speaker 6: as many dads do, they were like, you're going to
Speaker 6: do it. That's the only way you're going to learn,
Speaker 6: And both my brain and body decided no, I wasn't
Speaker 6: going to do it. So we instead of turning into
Speaker 6: the thoroughfare, I was supposed to go straight across, but
Speaker 6: I decided I was going to turn about halfway through
Speaker 6: the road, and then instead I just went through the
Speaker 6: fence of the first.
Speaker 2: House that was on the other side of the road.
Speaker 6: And then without even putting the car in into park,
Speaker 6: I just got out.
Speaker 3: Of the car and then your dad was in my Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's nobody of the drug.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 6: That is when I learned that I have. My impulse
Speaker 6: in emergencies is to flee.
Speaker 3: M M yeah wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Get out of the car. That's the thing that almost
Speaker 1: you almost died in. Walk away from it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just walk away, walk away.
Speaker 4: Especially before it hits the house. Get out of the
Speaker 4: in the front yard.
Speaker 1: I guess you don't get in a bike rack and
Speaker 1: then just lay there holding onto the handlebars.
Speaker 2: You guys, get it, you guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is a car podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean we're not done. We're not done
Speaker 1: talking cars. I mentioned the HP cast.
Speaker 6: The first time I got behind a wheel, I associate
Speaker 6: with the sickening crunch of a white picket fence.
Speaker 2: It was a white picket fence.
Speaker 5: Oh that's just an all American fence.
Speaker 3: Ah well that's wait.
Speaker 4: So did you I mean, what kind of trouble did
Speaker 4: you get into after that?
Speaker 3: Was that like your dad's insurance or yeah?
Speaker 6: I think it was my dad's insurance and I don't.
Speaker 6: I think we paid for the fence repairs, but all
Speaker 6: the only other thing I remember was making cookies for
Speaker 6: them and taking them over and feeling like somehow it
Speaker 6: was really dark and dirty that I was like, here,
Speaker 6: let me just give you these cookies and we can
Speaker 6: move past this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 3: Will you be bought with me cookies?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 6: I mean I think I was fifteen or something, but
Speaker 6: I think I just still didn't have any concept of
Speaker 6: real world consequences, like.
Speaker 2: I was a sheltered suburban I you know, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: I mean I took drivers at in high school and
Speaker 1: we had to watch these.
Speaker 5: Boring horror movies. Oh yeah, fake blood in them.
Speaker 1: And then at like the middle of the day you
Speaker 1: would drive, was some driver's head teacher. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: for some reason our guy, and that was it was snowy.
Speaker 5: It was in the middle of winter in Montana.
Speaker 1: We were on a side road, an icy one that
Speaker 1: was like convex like it was a round not a
Speaker 1: flat road, and he pulled the emergency brake to see
Speaker 1: what we would do.
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1: We were driving along. It was just like just going
Speaker 1: along a road. It's like, why also, we're going up
Speaker 1: to Blue Mountain the middle of nowhere? Are you gonna
Speaker 1: murder us? It's just me and my classmate. We both
Speaker 1: just got brand new porcelain braces.
Speaker 5: We don't want to die.
Speaker 1: And he banked on the parking break. I'm like what
Speaker 1: I remember, like why did you do that? And being
Speaker 1: fifteen and like you're wrong, you're a bad teacher. The
Speaker 1: car went in a ditch, we had to wait for
Speaker 1: a tow truck and everything. I'm like, you're so dumb, but.
Speaker 3: I was, so he crashed the car.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's trying to kill us. There was a cliff
Speaker 1: on one side. Oh my, my dad has a story
Speaker 1: of going off that road, Like it's classically where teenagers
Speaker 1: die since the fifties.
Speaker 6: But if you think about it, that would be a
Speaker 6: really good crime because it's like, oh, it's obviously the
Speaker 6: student's fault, right, why would it be the driving instruct
Speaker 6: these newbies.
Speaker 1: I guess if the teacher was a murderer and he
Speaker 1: just wanted to kill teens, he went through the trouble
Speaker 1: of getting a job, so yes, then he did find
Speaker 1: an interesting loophole.
Speaker 5: But I have a feeling he just he was drunk
Speaker 5: or something.
Speaker 4: I mean, because that's he's not training you for a
Speaker 4: scenario that ever happens. Right, you're the one that pulls
Speaker 4: the emergency rate right, not the passenger.
Speaker 1: I think his idea was to pull up for a
Speaker 1: second to get me sliding, so then I would He
Speaker 1: wanted to see how I corrected, but no, I'm so
Speaker 1: mad at him. Still we were went in a ditch. Sorry,
Speaker 1: that story so long, but it just all came flooding
Speaker 1: back to me, vivid memories of that negligent teacher.
Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you vivid memories of our semi
Speaker 4: negligent driver's aad teacher because in our small town, I
Speaker 4: went to a private school or the Catholic school, i
Speaker 4: should say, and the driver's ed classes like the actual
Speaker 4: in the car. So that's driver's training was at the
Speaker 4: public school. And so you had to go and you'd
Speaker 4: get matched up with some kid you didn't know, which
Speaker 4: apparently was my greatest fear, because I couldn't sleep the
Speaker 4: night before. I was so scared of like, it's hard
Speaker 4: enough I have to learn to drive. I don't know
Speaker 4: how to do this. And he takes you. You go
Speaker 4: and meet him at five point thirty in the morning,
Speaker 4: and he drives you all around our town where there's
Speaker 4: no one on the road except for like one car
Speaker 4: here and there.
Speaker 5: Wait, is this kid even from your school.
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing you don't know.
Speaker 5: Oh god, that sounds that makes me nervous now I
Speaker 5: know it's right.
Speaker 2: So stressful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's stressful in that what you have to do.
Speaker 4: But then it's also stressful where I'm just like, what
Speaker 4: if it's a bull, what if it's a cue boy?
Speaker 5: And what if this?
Speaker 3: And so I was like out of my mind. I
Speaker 3: show up.
Speaker 4: It's my friend Patty Leoni, who I've gone to school
Speaker 4: with since sixth grade.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, it's you.
Speaker 5: Great.
Speaker 4: So then we get into the car at Peddlum High
Speaker 4: School and he has one of us drive.
Speaker 3: I think Patty drove first, and.
Speaker 4: Literally we drove two blocks to the donut shop and
Speaker 4: he's like, well, I'm going to get some donuts and
Speaker 4: some coffee.
Speaker 3: You can come in if you want to.
Speaker 4: And so then you spend an hour at the donut
Speaker 4: shop with him, where he goes and sits with his
Speaker 4: friends and eats donuts and drinks coffee. And we just
Speaker 4: sat there and had a donut and hung out. And
Speaker 4: then he gets you back in the car and then
Speaker 4: you drive a little longer and then you're done.
Speaker 5: He was drunk too, or hungover. Oh, you need to
Speaker 5: have your coffee. Huh rough night.
Speaker 4: It's like he's that's he's starting his morning literally by
Speaker 4: like just driving, like okay, turn around here, all right,
Speaker 4: stop the car, We're going to get donuts.
Speaker 1: But a part of you grew up you're from Washington, DC,
Speaker 1: where you like from the city.
Speaker 5: Did you have to learn to drive and know?
Speaker 2: I was from the suburbs.
Speaker 6: Oh, it's just easier to tell people the city because
Speaker 6: then you seem cooler.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, like you're a lobbyist or something.
Speaker 6: But I do I do feel like the people I
Speaker 6: knew who grew up in like cities proper, some of
Speaker 6: them still don't know how to.
Speaker 1: Drive, right, Yeah, either become a stressed out driver person ye,
Speaker 1: or you just don't. Like there's so many New Yorkers
Speaker 1: I know that never they had to learn to drive here.
Speaker 5: Remember Paula F.
Speaker 1: Thompkins, a grown man, he had he learned to drive
Speaker 1: like a decade ago really.
Speaker 3: Because he's from Philly.
Speaker 4: He took trains everywhere, and his dad was a train
Speaker 4: conductor or worked for the trains. Very big on trains.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 6: Of like in his family, they were like no sign
Speaker 6: of mine will drive a car?
Speaker 1: Why does every person need their own personal little train?
Speaker 5: You started stand up in DC? Also, right, I did?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 5: Did you do the first annual Benson Ball?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I did?
Speaker 2: Is that where we first cross pet?
Speaker 5: No? No, I just weep.
Speaker 1: But that was another time. We just were passing and
Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone yet, and I was wow, just
Speaker 1: you know in that that's we were probably in the
Speaker 1: same room back.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember every all the local comics were so
Speaker 6: excited about that because it was like all these big
Speaker 6: weeks from LA coming to our little town.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, Yeah. Who else is Aaron Jackson? Is she
Speaker 5: from DC?
Speaker 2: Aaron Jackson's also from DC?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I worked with her the one time I did
Speaker 1: the improv there.
Speaker 3: Mikeigli is from DC.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a bunch of Rory Scobels from there.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's not from there, but that's where he
Speaker 6: starts stand up.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's I remember meeting him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he'd been to it stand up like six
Speaker 1: months and I'm like, why is this guy funnier than me?
Speaker 3: He's funnier than everybody, you know what it is?
Speaker 5: Though, Here's the.
Speaker 4: Thing about Mary sco he is you should definitely hate
Speaker 4: him because.
Speaker 5: So funny to be funnier than me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Rory Scoville has what I call the hilarious accent.
Speaker 4: He reminds me of Will Ferrell, where it's not what
Speaker 4: he's saying, it's the way he talks. It's just like
Speaker 4: that is he is a man who is tapped into
Speaker 4: this the hilarious absurdity of life or something where he's
Speaker 4: he's just kind of ribing you, is what it feels like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how is that an accent? But yeah, it's his accent.
Speaker 1: This is about to be funny.
Speaker 3: It's the way he talks.
Speaker 4: It's a manner of speaking. Yes, I don't know what
Speaker 4: it is. There's a little drawl to it, but it's
Speaker 4: mostly just like I remember watching him do that bit
Speaker 4: where he's going by the grocery aisle and I was like,
Speaker 4: I was laughing so hard, but in my mind I
Speaker 4: was like, why is this so funny?
Speaker 3: Why is this so funny? And it just like it's him.
Speaker 5: Yep, yep, that's it.
Speaker 2: It's the comedian. That's the funny part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wait a minute, I just realized something. It's not
Speaker 1: the material, it's the brain in the mouth.
Speaker 3: A part of how did you first think you wanted
Speaker 3: did you stand up? Or who did you see? Or
Speaker 3: why did you get that idea in your head?
Speaker 2: Great cue.
Speaker 6: I think I I honestly came to stand up very
Speaker 6: uninformed and uneducated, like I had seen a hand, like
Speaker 6: just a tiny bit of it growing up, Like I
Speaker 6: think I knew Seinfeld was a comedian and Ellen DeGeneres.
Speaker 2: That was my range of experience.
Speaker 6: And then in high school I was friends with like
Speaker 6: a guy who was just like a funny guy, a
Speaker 6: class clown. I was like, like, I like what he's
Speaker 6: up to, but I was pretty low key, so I
Speaker 6: just kind of observed him from a distance. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 6: let me see how he sort of operates. And then
Speaker 6: I I think he gave me a Mitch Hedberg CD
Speaker 6: to listen to. He was like, you're gonna love this
Speaker 6: guy is really funny. I thought he was so funny.
Speaker 6: And then I think he was like, I'm going to
Speaker 6: try and open mic. So I was like, okay, I'm
Speaker 6: going to try one too. But this was like after
Speaker 6: we had gone to college and like come back for
Speaker 6: the summer. So I think I like got up my
Speaker 6: courage to do my first open mic just from like
Speaker 6: scouting it out for a few weeks. We both did,
Speaker 6: and then we decided we were going to go up
Speaker 6: at least once before we went back to college. So
Speaker 6: I think that's the first time I tried it on
Speaker 6: like my twentieth birthday maybe, but I think it was
Speaker 6: really more just like I'm going to try this one
Speaker 6: time and then I can die, Like, like I know
Speaker 6: way shape or form was like, this is the thing
Speaker 6: I can do regularly or even make a career out of,
Speaker 6: Like I had no concept of how to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you think you were lightly in love with that
Speaker 4: class clowne?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I think I was lightly in love with
Speaker 6: all men for many years.
Speaker 1: You were just Woever, I just noticed that you said
Speaker 1: you were from a distance watching how he operates, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, and I never say that phrase.
Speaker 5: No one should. I'm sorry I did.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I think even I think it's that thing
Speaker 6: people say of like oh I just want a guy
Speaker 6: who can make me laugh or something like. I think
Speaker 6: in my teens, I was very much of that mindset
Speaker 6: where I was like, he made a joke, Wow, he's
Speaker 6: got it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when people you know, in someone's bio, it says,
Speaker 1: I like a sense of humor. I always want to go, oh,
Speaker 1: grow up, that's for teenagers. Don't if you don't know
Speaker 1: how annoying and sick of me you will get.
Speaker 3: What I love is that you would.
Speaker 4: I always see that where it's like, that's what girls
Speaker 4: always say, and then guys are just like, yeah, hot
Speaker 4: girls only.
Speaker 3: But I have all these jokes. Hold on a second,
Speaker 3: don't count me out yet.
Speaker 2: I know. I feel like guys it's like the opposite.
Speaker 2: They're disappointed you are funny or trying to be funny.
Speaker 5: I noticed that with my sister.
Speaker 1: She was a little older than me, and she told
Speaker 1: me about all of her dates, and I just thought
Speaker 1: that every guy probably had a huge crutch on her
Speaker 1: and they were always intimidated by her.
Speaker 5: Being smart and funny. Yeah, that always puzzled me.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's the kind of thing that now
Speaker 4: I think is funny, but it used to enrage me.
Speaker 4: Is when guys it's clear they don't expect you to
Speaker 4: try to be funny or ye, so that when you're
Speaker 4: doing it, they'll like, there's nothing where someone someone answers
Speaker 4: a joke with an honest like a direct, plain response
Speaker 4: where just the second that I have an exchange like
Speaker 4: that with someone, I'm like, I have to leave right now.
Speaker 4: I can't expose myself to this anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy, I can't believe he didn't answer sarcastically.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I don't want to hear your sincere goddamn thoughts.
Speaker 3: That's not what I'm here, that this was a date
Speaker 3: were doing.
Speaker 6: For some reason, I have like this bias about this's
Speaker 6: gonna sound weird. I have a bias against models, like
Speaker 6: I think none of them have a sense of humor, Like,
Speaker 6: even if they have proven otherwise, I like my mind
Speaker 6: refuses to believe. It's like, you can't look like that
Speaker 6: and be funny or know how to think something's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've noticed that really really, really good looking people
Speaker 1: can still learn later. They didn't have to establish it
Speaker 1: to survive while in school, right like I did. But
Speaker 1: later on it's like, wait, you pick this up in
Speaker 1: your twenties and thirties or something, because I have met
Speaker 1: very funny, beautiful people.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, no, they're out there.
Speaker 5: It happens all that day. I'm time these.
Speaker 3: Days, especially in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now, especially with social media that's the kind of
Speaker 4: thing I love about the dawn of social media and
Speaker 4: Twitter and stuff, where all those that I told myself
Speaker 4: to make myself feel better or comfort myself, it's like.
Speaker 3: I'm the only funny one in the world.
Speaker 4: And it's like you're in the middle of all the
Speaker 4: funny people and look at there, look at them these days,
Speaker 4: Like these days with TikTok and everything, it's like you
Speaker 4: see those front facing comedians where you're just like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's a good idea, that's funny.
Speaker 3: Wow, you have no pores.
Speaker 4: Like how what is life like for you? It's it
Speaker 4: must be amazing. It's like all doors open, God, congratulations.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think Also when I started comedy, it was like
Speaker 6: pre YouTube, so I think I just I didn't have
Speaker 6: any references or like I didn't know how to seek
Speaker 6: out comedians that I would be into, whereas now I
Speaker 6: feel like it's sort of all at your fingertips and
Speaker 6: like you're saying, like you can just be like I
Speaker 6: like this, and then TikTok will be like here's seven
Speaker 6: hundred more examples of that for you.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah.
Speaker 4: Or there's like when u seb started, it's almost like
Speaker 4: all those people that wouldn't have been able to be
Speaker 4: the self starters that would go do a stand up
Speaker 4: like open mic. Suddenly we're like, but I do know
Speaker 4: how to learn, so I can take a class and
Speaker 4: maybe I can tap into something. It really I think
Speaker 4: it's really good in a lot of ways, like the
Speaker 4: amount of people that learn improv and and can actually
Speaker 4: tap into something that they might have. But it used
Speaker 4: to be that if like that's what you wanted to do,
Speaker 4: you had to like, you know, go and fight street
Speaker 4: fight for it or whatever your auditioned twenty times and
Speaker 4: get into Second City or whatever. Yeah, and now it's
Speaker 4: just like, yep, you just go and take your classes
Speaker 4: and pay your money and move all the way up
Speaker 4: and see what happens.
Speaker 1: To me, the biggest obstacle was mailing VHS tapes or
Speaker 1: even DVD. The fact that I had to do that
Speaker 1: package these VHS tapes and DVDs to send them to clubs.
Speaker 1: That's what's I'm jealous of everyone that's like, Eh, here's a.
Speaker 5: Link, are you gonna book me?
Speaker 1: In the email that I sent the link to the
Speaker 1: thing in good, it's done. That took ten minutes. I
Speaker 1: used to toa that go to the post.
Speaker 2: Even the idea of someone like putting in a VHS
Speaker 2: tape to be like, let me see what you got.
Speaker 2: She's down so bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like from antiquity, that idea. It was so
Speaker 4: long ago, and it was like, but it was when
Speaker 4: I was young. I also remember getting in trouble when
Speaker 4: I started stand up in San Francisco because I had
Speaker 4: started in I started open mics in Sacramento and did
Speaker 4: you know, a handful of shows and then got into
Speaker 4: a car accident and my mom made me move home
Speaker 4: because she's like, I don't know what you're doing up there,
Speaker 4: but this is the third car accident you got into,
Speaker 4: so move home. So I did, and then saved up
Speaker 4: money to move to San Francisco, and then basically got
Speaker 4: on to the Improv showcase because I knew comics that
Speaker 4: did that show. And then I was like, that's fine,
Speaker 4: I'll just do the improv like that's fine. But of
Speaker 4: course every other comic that moved to town was hanging out,
Speaker 4: introducing themselves, asking for sets, calling clubs to get sets, and.
Speaker 3: I never did that.
Speaker 4: And I think Paton Olswealt has just moved to town too,
Speaker 4: and he was like, yeah, you got to call around
Speaker 4: and I was like, eh, no, it was disgusting, that
Speaker 4: idea of like what I'm not going to ask for anything,
Speaker 4: like they don't know who I am.
Speaker 3: He's like, no, you have to, like that's part of it.
Speaker 4: So when I went to do a set at the
Speaker 4: Holy City Zoo, because I hadn't gone and like paid
Speaker 4: my you know, dues or like gone and tried to
Speaker 4: meet anybody, I'd just gone and like stood in the
Speaker 4: back or whatever there was, apparently it was like they
Speaker 4: were mad because then I got booked on a show.
Speaker 4: It was that weird thing where I was just like,
Speaker 4: how is this the way it goes? Like how is
Speaker 4: this the way shows get booked? It just seemed so strange. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and embarrassing.
Speaker 5: It's embarrassed.
Speaker 2: I still like fell embarrassed.
Speaker 5: I feel like I have a.
Speaker 1: Career in this business or it's still do and I've
Speaker 1: never I won't ask anyone for shows and it's wrong
Speaker 1: and I should, but I don't because it's humiliating.
Speaker 3: It's humiliating email if.
Speaker 5: They don't get back to you, then you feel bad
Speaker 5: for days. Ah.
Speaker 4: Or you have the people that are kind of doing
Speaker 4: shows so that they can wield that power over people.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you've met those people where it's just like
Speaker 4: what's oh, this is a personality type of like no,
Speaker 4: maybe you can call me back, you know, or email
Speaker 4: me in two weeks maybe I'll have a set for
Speaker 4: you then, or it's just like no thanks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It makes them feel like they have a career in
Speaker 1: comedy because they're making decisions sure, yeah, yeah, putting people
Speaker 1: in categories.
Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, I feel like every show now has
Speaker 6: a producer, like a go between, so that you don't
Speaker 6: have to the comics don't have to directly deal with
Speaker 6: booking because we all have such good people skills.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Do you guys remember the commercials.
Speaker 1: I think they were for the Art Institute or some
Speaker 1: technical school where they go, Hi, i have a career
Speaker 1: in the music business, but I'm not a musician, and
Speaker 1: then they go back to like fixing an amplifier or something.
Speaker 1: I always think of that I have a career in
Speaker 1: the comedy business, but I'm not a comedian.
Speaker 5: And then they call.
Speaker 1: Someone, yeah, you can't do my show for another month.
Speaker 1: The answer is no, Oh man, I want to go
Speaker 1: to the Art Institute and learn how to judge other people.
Speaker 1: Even in art school, the fact that there was a
Speaker 1: major that was artistic criticism. There was a oh, I
Speaker 1: know how to talk about art. I don't do it,
Speaker 1: but I know how to talk about it, and I've
Speaker 1: studied it and I knew people that academically.
Speaker 5: It was really interesting how they.
Speaker 1: Saw They could talk about the evolution of art through
Speaker 1: the ages in different parts of the world for out,
Speaker 1: but they can't draw paint. And I'm like, why would
Speaker 1: you be so interested in something without actually doing it?
Speaker 1: Now I respect it more. It seems like I'm talking
Speaker 1: shit about art history majors or whatever, which I'm not.
Speaker 5: Chris, I don't want to get those.
Speaker 2: On.
Speaker 3: This is a powerful group you're attacking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are out there with their corduroy, fucking elbow
Speaker 1: patches and their wild eyebrow hairs.
Speaker 4: Part of when you moved to New York, did you
Speaker 4: have like a good kind of like stand up situation
Speaker 4: going in DC and then you moved to New York
Speaker 4: or did you.
Speaker 2: I think I actually I moved to LA first.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was there for just under two years, so
Speaker 6: not that long. But I had done comedy in DC
Speaker 6: and then I was dating Hamhampton.
Speaker 1: Time and you guys moved in with our friend Harry.
Speaker 1: That was so long ago. Yeah, yeah, I remember when
Speaker 1: you rolled into it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Well you were on shows immediately and you were funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we were. We were just trying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: It feels so long ago, but I feel like when
Speaker 6: you moved to a new scene, you're sort of just like,
Speaker 6: I better put in put in my FaceTime at all
Speaker 6: the shows.
Speaker 1: You're so good at stand up and I miss seeing
Speaker 1: you do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like I haven't been on a show with
Speaker 1: you for multiple, multiple years, but it used to be
Speaker 1: pretty normal. We kind of you were immediately in the mix.
Speaker 2: Is it called the Yeah, I think it's called Yeah.
Speaker 5: You were in the mix right away with two ex'es.
Speaker 6: But then I moved to New York for a writing job,
Speaker 6: so then I've been here much longer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen you for a long time. I
Speaker 1: just see you on things.
Speaker 2: You know, what if I was just avoiding you this see.
Speaker 1: That's what it is. Did I did I offend you?
Speaker 1: Are you an art historian?
Speaker 3: Writing job?
Speaker 2: Did you get it was a totally biased?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Have you come out?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I moved for that, and I will say
Speaker 6: if you moved somewhere with like a job or something,
Speaker 6: it definitely helps open some doors where people are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: you're here for a reason, I can make some space
Speaker 6: for you.
Speaker 2: For three minutes.
Speaker 1: That was such a cool period in time. He and
Speaker 1: I did some show in San Francisco for like MMA
Speaker 1: fighters and Raiders football players and they were great.
Speaker 5: They loved it. They were so sweet. They have an outlet.
Speaker 1: And then I think it was a few weeks later
Speaker 1: I heard that it's I think, didn't Chris Rock see
Speaker 1: him and like immediately say you're great? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 6: I think it was off of like his one hour
Speaker 6: show yeah that he was doing. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 6: that's the that's such a Hollywood story though, right where
Speaker 6: it's like I think Chris Rock saw my show and
Speaker 6: he was like, I'm going to make you a stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that was the first I had heard of
Speaker 1: that actually happening. Since you know when you first start
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I'm going to just for laughs,
Speaker 1: that's where people get handed of sitcom or whatever it is. No,
Speaker 1: it isn't, that doesn't happen. You just care about it
Speaker 1: happening in like that eighties or whatever when there was
Speaker 1: twenty five comedians to choose from.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but with w Ca mal Bell it actually happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember you getting you being a writer
Speaker 1: on that show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 6: It was I guess maybe it's sort of followed the
Speaker 6: Daily Show model where it was like you could write
Speaker 6: and perform on it as well, which was which was
Speaker 6: cool that he let us do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you did that with Guy Brenham, right, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Guy was there starting the second season.
Speaker 3: Oh got it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was It was a good bunch of people.
Speaker 6: I do think it was a lot of Bay Area
Speaker 6: people who started there who yeah, were obviously friends with
Speaker 6: comaland but it was a nice sensibility.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a great show.
Speaker 4: And then basically you got to get set because you
Speaker 4: kind of had a job nee people, you know, like
Speaker 4: you got to Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, I guess it's like when you start, you
Speaker 6: just need that one first credit, and then it's sort
Speaker 6: of like, oh, now that I have something hosts can
Speaker 6: say about me, I'm better.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Wait, clubs and colleges all over the country doesn't isn't
Speaker 4: as good as.
Speaker 1: I don't ever stop saying it, Karen. It's funny and
Speaker 1: the right people get it. And you've done colleges, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure I have no I don't know.
Speaker 2: About you guys, but colleges always pretty hit or miss
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: Oh, I find them predominantly missy.
Speaker 2: You do, I always say hit and missus.
Speaker 3: This is plural.
Speaker 4: I some of my worst stand up memories are getting
Speaker 4: booked in colleges when not only did I not have
Speaker 4: an hour, I barely had half an hour, and thinking
Speaker 4: that I could kind of like do what I thought
Speaker 4: would work was which literally at one show and I
Speaker 4: was in a tiny room that had carpeted walls. It
Speaker 4: was almost like an acoustic music side theater at this
Speaker 4: some college back us.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when it's silent in the room, you want
Speaker 1: it to be in a sound.
Speaker 4: Proofed room, you have the energy to get sucked into
Speaker 4: the material on the wall.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I hear the layers of silence.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like all laughs get sucked in the carpet.
Speaker 4: And I was in a full sweat panic. And at
Speaker 4: one point I said, how about A Q and A.
Speaker 4: Does anyone want to know anything about Hollywood? It was
Speaker 4: half sarcastic and half just like I don't know what
Speaker 4: to do anymore. I burned through every half joke I've
Speaker 4: ever written.
Speaker 1: And I it seems like a weird plan B to have.
Speaker 1: But no comedy clubs used to do that. They'd have
Speaker 1: a Q and A with some soap star. I remember,
Speaker 1: like even in Austin, they're like, oh, there's a special
Speaker 1: event this week. It's a guy from Days of Our
Speaker 1: Lives and then yeah, and there'd be a line out
Speaker 1: the door.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, because their fans are like really loyal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and they want to know when's your twin
Speaker 1: with a goatee coming back with your wife's ghost.
Speaker 5: I don't know, I've never really watched it.
Speaker 4: So I actually learned that lesson working on daytime television,
Speaker 4: daytime talk shows, they had a packet, like when anytime
Speaker 4: a guest would accidentally or there'd be an emergency and
Speaker 4: they would fall out and they'd have to the booking
Speaker 4: department to have to replace.
Speaker 3: The guests really quickly.
Speaker 4: They'd have to go in and pitch like, here's all
Speaker 4: the people available. And I remember like there are certain
Speaker 4: people that they would be like, well, we could get
Speaker 4: so and so I would be like, are you talking
Speaker 4: about Marlena from Days of Our Lives?
Speaker 3: And I'd be like, is that a good booking?
Speaker 4: And they're like, look at the Q rating And they
Speaker 4: actually had a packet and it was celebrities rated an
Speaker 4: order of audience popularity and number one was like Riba,
Speaker 4: and then like the top fifty were totally like Sprinkle
Speaker 4: with all soap opera stars. Yeah, so the best thing
Speaker 4: you could do was start on a soap opera and
Speaker 4: then get like a TV series or like a movie
Speaker 4: because those people, everyone will tune in for them, All
Speaker 4: of their fans will tune in on a.
Speaker 3: Talk show for them. So like that's how it was.
Speaker 4: That kind of thing where I was just like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is actually how Hollywood work. Yeah I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think I know how it works. And it's like, no,
Speaker 4: you have no, you have no idea. Soap operas are
Speaker 4: like bread and butter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's like apparent when you mentioned YouTube. There
Speaker 1: was the realization about a decade ago when there is
Speaker 1: these YouTube billboards around town that just had some you know,
Speaker 1: like you said, some kid with no pores and uh
Speaker 1: it says two million, oh yeah views or whatever, and
Speaker 1: it's like wait a minute. I wasn't supposed to be
Speaker 1: in dark bars the last twenty years. Are supposed to
Speaker 1: be on the computer, yeah, or you're supposed to be
Speaker 1: on a soap opera. And like, at one point someone
Speaker 1: told me that, oh, what's Mark Harmond, the guy from
Speaker 1: the cores commercials and the movie Summer School is the
Speaker 1: top paid actor because he's on all the CSIS or
Speaker 1: whatever n cis.
Speaker 4: There was one period of time after I lost my
Speaker 4: job and I went into a deep depression and I
Speaker 4: just truly, for like eighteen months, laid on the couch
Speaker 4: and watched every episode of ncish okay because they have
Speaker 4: what seemed like hundreds of seasons. I mean like it
Speaker 4: just kept going, yeah, and it is really entertaining. Mark
Speaker 4: Harmon is a delight to look at and listen to.
Speaker 5: He's handsome. I acknowledge that.
Speaker 4: He's handsome from like the seventies. He was a quarterback
Speaker 4: in college, I think for UCLA. Then he went on
Speaker 4: to like be mister hot in movies. Then he goes
Speaker 4: on NCIS as like the Salt and Pepper Daddy in
Speaker 4: charge of the Navy investigations.
Speaker 5: Salt and Pepper Daddy, and he has.
Speaker 4: The same reaction to people could come in and be
Speaker 4: like four people were beheaded over at the naval base, sir,
Speaker 4: and he'd be like, let's get over there, and then
Speaker 4: he throws it you, son of a bitch, and you'd
Speaker 4: be like, I won't take that from you. It's all
Speaker 4: the y and if you're having a hard time in life,
Speaker 4: that kind of consistency is really soothing.
Speaker 3: It like worked for me.
Speaker 5: Wow, it worked.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I feel like, yeah, soap operas are the
Speaker 6: same way, Like, even though it's high drama, it's all
Speaker 6: within this certain range.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 6: You're never going to get someone coming in just like
Speaker 6: I don't know, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess those formula shows where you just watch it,
Speaker 1: Like The House House was like that, where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't know what's wrong with this person.
Speaker 5: Fifteen minutes into this story.
Speaker 1: We've tried everything, and he's like, I just because I
Speaker 1: spilled my coffee, I realized there might be a clog
Speaker 1: and a weird artery. And they're like, you're a loose
Speaker 1: cannon House. Are you drunk again? And then they're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, House was right, and then they apologize
Speaker 1: to him, actually.
Speaker 5: You're wrong.
Speaker 4: The test came back house you're wrong, and then everyone
Speaker 4: to get all freaked out and then you know, then
Speaker 4: eleven minutes later they'd be like it.
Speaker 3: Turned out he was right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like oh thank god, thank god, oh god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there had to be some like push and pull.
Speaker 6: I also think when you're like depressed or you are
Speaker 6: kind of stuck in a loop. So like, if a
Speaker 6: show is essentially just groundhog dang itself, that's yeah, You're
Speaker 6: like you're on the same page as me, yes, because
Speaker 6: it's like every day it's like, oh, life is hard
Speaker 6: and I hate myself, and then the show will do
Speaker 6: the thing and then we'll do it again tomorrow.
Speaker 5: Oh that's funny. I get it. See.
Speaker 4: That's how I got into the Kardashians. There was there
Speaker 4: was a Kardashian Marathon and I was on that couch.
Speaker 4: I bet you I'd finished up in Sais and I
Speaker 4: was like, what am I going to do? And this
Speaker 4: Kardashian Marathon started and I started watching it purely as
Speaker 4: a hate watch of let's see these Yeah, and literally
Speaker 4: twenty episod later, I was like, I just want to
Speaker 4: be with them forever.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 3: They're very even keel.
Speaker 4: They don't really even when they're fighting, they don't actually
Speaker 4: raise their voices or have any passion or emotion truly,
Speaker 4: they're just kind of like, I can't believe you did that,
Speaker 4: and their face doesn't move and you're just like, yeah,
Speaker 4: why did you do that?
Speaker 3: It goes down easy.
Speaker 5: Have you guys ever seen it's on YouTube?
Speaker 1: But the mom, whose name is Chris, Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she way back when she was married to Ojay's lawyer,
Speaker 1: made a music video to the tune of I Love
Speaker 1: La by Randy Newman, but instead she'd say I love
Speaker 1: my friends, and then she would get people to turn
Speaker 1: to the camera and go, we love you. They she
Speaker 1: would just get and Ojay was one of them.
Speaker 5: We love you. Yeah, all these random celebrities.
Speaker 1: She's just like just looking at the camera and say
Speaker 1: you love me, say we love you. And it was
Speaker 1: all these celebrities because she wanted to showcase that she
Speaker 1: knows these celebrities.
Speaker 5: And with a catchy song and she's singing.
Speaker 1: It opens with her running on a treadmill singing the beginning.
Speaker 5: Please just watch it. I can't even think about it
Speaker 5: with U.
Speaker 1: It exists, and it's real creepy because it's it's oj
Speaker 1: with Nicole I Believe, like we love you like it
Speaker 1: was during that era and her husband was about to
Speaker 1: be his lawyer a couple of years later, and the kids,
Speaker 1: like Kim and all the kids, they're little girls in
Speaker 1: it with little matching dresses and they're like, we love you, like.
Speaker 3: Holding huge solid.
Speaker 5: So they were.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying it wasn't botox. They were just born
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 4: Kim is a visionary, I mean, sorry, Chris christ Jenner
Speaker 4: is a visionary. Yes, yeah, I mean Kim is too
Speaker 4: in her own way, but Chris Jenner, I don't know
Speaker 4: how the idea that she knew enough to be like, sure,
Speaker 4: we're just some random family, but let's get in on.
Speaker 3: This reality show thing. Yeah yeah, why shouldn't we.
Speaker 1: So she right away she's like, I gotta make a
Speaker 1: music video. And this is pre YouTube. She's like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make it go viral. She was licking envelopes, putting
Speaker 1: that VHS side and.
Speaker 5: Sending it out.
Speaker 1: Somehow someone uploaded it at one point, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: she'd be embarrassed about it.
Speaker 3: It's don't you think though?
Speaker 4: That to me smacks of it was someone's like fortieth birthday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're like, you know what would be fun?
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, but it was a gift to herself that
Speaker 7: she filmed her celebrity friends all turning the camera and
Speaker 7: saying we love you on their new steam Bay editing system.
Speaker 5: That is a specific anyway. Oh that's so.
Speaker 2: That is really visionary too. Even know that you could
Speaker 2: be reality famous before that was.
Speaker 1: Its right, Yeah, I think she and her kids kind
Speaker 1: of invented it. Right.
Speaker 5: I can't think of a big example other than.
Speaker 3: The Osbourne's kicked it.
Speaker 5: Oh sure, I.
Speaker 4: Mean the Osbourne's were the one that I was like,
Speaker 4: in my mind, I was like, oh, reality show, that's
Speaker 4: quote unquote bad. And then I watched the Osbourne's and
Speaker 4: I was like, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen,
Speaker 4: Kelly Osborne saying to her brother. Her brother said something
Speaker 4: about a black guy having good rhythm, and Kelly Osbornd goes.
Speaker 3: That's racialist.
Speaker 4: I said it for like five years after it was
Speaker 4: the funniest, best.
Speaker 1: Thing at least with that show, though he before all
Speaker 1: that was Ozzy Osbourne.
Speaker 5: At least there was that establishing practice.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, right, there's a reason you were supposed to
Speaker 4: be interested in the home life that was a good show.
Speaker 2: I think that just reminded me.
Speaker 6: I think Jack Osborne was one of the the first
Speaker 6: celebrity sighting I had when I moved.
Speaker 5: To La Oh. Where was he perfect?
Speaker 6: He was at Swingers Diner, Yes, and I didn't recognize him.
Speaker 6: I have terrible celebrity recognition skills. But someone at my
Speaker 6: table was like, he knows Jack Osborne And then they
Speaker 6: were like, should I go say hi? And we all
Speaker 6: everyone else at the table was like, no, you.
Speaker 2: Don't do that.
Speaker 6: That's not cool, and they really were like struggling with
Speaker 6: their decision. They were like, I should go, I should
Speaker 6: go say hi, And I was still like trying to
Speaker 6: understand who Jack Osbourne was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Swingers. We used to go there quite a bit
Speaker 3: with our friend April Richards.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And one time this guy was there who had this
Speaker 4: really great outfit on and one of the parts of
Speaker 4: his outfit where he had these white polka dot pants
Speaker 4: on and the polka dots were like a pastel different colors.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was there for this. I remember those parents,
Speaker 5: were you here for this?
Speaker 4: So she got up and was like, hey, dude, those
Speaker 4: pants are awesome. It was Chance the rapper. He was
Speaker 4: like he was like I designed them, and they had
Speaker 4: this whole conversation and I watched it all happen and
Speaker 4: I was just like, this is That's exactly how a
Speaker 4: celebrity interaction should go. That the celebrity likes because you're
Speaker 4: not coming up and like freaking.
Speaker 5: I don't know what.
Speaker 4: It's like. You're talking about something specific and you're being
Speaker 4: sincere and authentic, and then like they get to talk
Speaker 4: about what they want to talk about. Yes, and then
Speaker 4: you just get and then you peel back and go
Speaker 4: eat your tuna sandwich.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. That sounds like a masterclass.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's for anyone in LA wanting to connect.
Speaker 5: If you want.
Speaker 1: If you see a celebrity, just pretend you don't know
Speaker 1: they're a celebrity and get really excited about their pants. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that's how you become friends with famous people.
Speaker 3: Are those talkers? Everyone proud of their pants?
Speaker 5: But I'd screw it up and say, are those bugle boys?
Speaker 1: Oh shit, they don't make those anymore super loud? Do
Speaker 1: you peg your bugle boys? Pegging used to be something
Speaker 1: totally different.
Speaker 3: A different thing.
Speaker 5: Yes, you would fall and roll your pants?
Speaker 4: Is that your favorite celebrity siding that you ever had
Speaker 4: in LA or just your first.
Speaker 2: I think my favorite one was Fred Durst.
Speaker 3: Oh where was he?
Speaker 2: Cheebo near meltdown?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't a big limp biscuit guy.
Speaker 5: I wasn't either.
Speaker 1: I don't like the rock rap hybrid that was coming
Speaker 1: out at early two thousands.
Speaker 5: It was big, it was.
Speaker 1: But one time I had an interview at something and
Speaker 1: he was one of the I had these jokes and
Speaker 1: I was trying to get people to tell these skateboarding jokes,
Speaker 1: and of course no one wanted to do it.
Speaker 5: I didn't want.
Speaker 3: To see your red carpet job.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that yeah, yeah it was. It was thank you,
Speaker 5: thank you for doing that.
Speaker 1: I just showed up unannounced, No that I was supposed
Speaker 1: to be there. It was a red carpet thing. Thank you,
Speaker 1: and he was. He took it so seriously. He's like,
Speaker 1: I think it would be better if I memorized them first.
Speaker 5: Can I come back?
Speaker 1: And he went off the red carpet and Fred Durst wait,
Speaker 1: is that the killer?
Speaker 5: No? He did.
Speaker 3: He did a comedy.
Speaker 5: Robert Durst came out.
Speaker 1: He changed all the jokes to be very dark. No,
Speaker 1: Fred Durst went and memorized them all and then he
Speaker 1: and he nailed it. He pretended to be a cheesy
Speaker 1: nightclub comic and he had all the jokes memorized and
Speaker 1: he's like, how was that? I'm like, good the thing started.
Speaker 1: No one's here anymore. He wasted all his time. I'm
Speaker 1: doing my little thing. And then they didn't At the bottom,
Speaker 1: they didn't say fred Durst's limp biscuit. It said he
Speaker 1: owns some skateboard company, like no one, oh, the founder
Speaker 1: of Element Skateboards.
Speaker 5: No, it isn't. That's Fred Durst.
Speaker 1: It's so embarrassing we did him Durst so dirty?
Speaker 5: Sorry Fred?
Speaker 3: So wait, did you did you talk to Fred Dirt?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Would you say? No?
Speaker 6: I think it would never occur to me to actually
Speaker 6: approach a celebrity. I think I just I'm like, there's
Speaker 6: nothing I could say to them that they haven't heard before.
Speaker 6: But also I wasn't a big enough Fred Durst fan
Speaker 6: to have anything of note to say to him.
Speaker 2: But I do remember he was wearing all white.
Speaker 6: Which I thought was very brave, at a restaurant, and
Speaker 6: he had a huge posse. He was like at a
Speaker 6: table of like fifteen or sixteen people, and I was like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's surrounded by musicians, so he doesn't make a fool.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess so I recognize anyone. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 6: I think I mean, this sounds condescending, but I think
Speaker 6: I was like.
Speaker 2: Oh, good, he's still out.
Speaker 5: Now you've seen him.
Speaker 1: Now he's got like this kind of blonde, wavy seventies
Speaker 1: game show host hair, and he wears like big orange
Speaker 1: sunglasses and dresses like he's golfing.
Speaker 5: Whoa, and he does all.
Speaker 1: He's still he looks very much like he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: making limp biscuity music and he still goes out there.
Speaker 1: And uh and you know that's the all for the
Speaker 1: Nookie or whatever his song. Sure wait they have faith. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's big in their comeback because he's got this hair.
Speaker 1: He grew out his hair and he's like, people got
Speaker 1: to see this my hair.
Speaker 5: Grow Now that's the reason story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't know I looked like the host of
Speaker 1: the dating game. But yeah, I oddly I know exactly
Speaker 1: what you're saying. I'm happy to see he's still out there,
Speaker 1: even though when he was young, I wasn't happy to
Speaker 1: see he was out there.
Speaker 4: I also like in La when you see celebrities and
Speaker 4: they're wearing all white.
Speaker 3: That's such.
Speaker 4: It's like because I used to see Giovanni Ribisi all
Speaker 4: the time in Los Felis, and to the point where
Speaker 4: one time I was already at a Farfalla on Hillhurst
Speaker 4: and he walked in and looked at me and went
Speaker 4: like that. I was like, I was already here, dude,
Speaker 4: I was here first, No way. Yeah, But because we
Speaker 4: kept seeing each other, I think he thought I was
Speaker 4: stalking him, and it's just like this truly is by chance.
Speaker 4: But then it's like, how am I stalking you? When
Speaker 4: I seated mid like penne pasta. But I saw him
Speaker 4: at a Starbucks one time and he was wearing all white,
Speaker 4: and I was just like, if you want to, like
Speaker 4: as a celebrity, if you're trying to be low key
Speaker 4: and have people not look at you, why are you
Speaker 4: dressed like an orderly or like a baker.
Speaker 5: But it looks like.
Speaker 3: You're in a costume.
Speaker 4: To just like throw on some jeans and you'll blend
Speaker 4: in perfectly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like a funny thing to wear all white,
Speaker 1: like a rich person would wear all white.
Speaker 5: That seems like a cartoon.
Speaker 1: But it is like, we don't want to wear white
Speaker 1: because you have to laundry again, it's a sign of success.
Speaker 3: It's so unrealistic.
Speaker 5: I get coffee on these pants, I throw them away.
Speaker 3: They're them in my fireplace.
Speaker 6: I don't think I own white pants. I think my
Speaker 6: confidence is that low.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't, and I know I don't because I was.
Speaker 1: I could have used them for my Halloween costume. I
Speaker 1: had a lab coat. I'm like, where do I get
Speaker 1: white pants? Well, don't own any time to get some,
Speaker 1: time to get some.
Speaker 3: Got to wait? What were you for Halloweenabarna?
Speaker 5: Yeah? What did you do?
Speaker 2: I dress up?
Speaker 1: You guys?
Speaker 6: I know, my god, I had people over though I
Speaker 6: had a Halloween party, but we didn't. Oh, I guess
Speaker 6: I had a creepy mask. My boyfriend got us bull
Speaker 6: of creepy masks. We each just wore a creepy cat mask.
Speaker 6: But they were like dollars store cat masks. So they
Speaker 6: were even more horrifying because they were probably repurposed from like,
Speaker 6: you know, paint, like people painting or something, and like,
Speaker 6: I don't know, like home, I don't even know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Do you guys remember the masks?
Speaker 1: They're plastic, and they're kind of transparent when they have
Speaker 1: a mustache and eyebrows and everything from it on them.
Speaker 1: But you you put it over your face and you
Speaker 1: can still see your face underneath this.
Speaker 5: They are so creepy.
Speaker 1: And I remember my grandparents coming over when I was
Speaker 1: a little kid, and I remember them walking in and
Speaker 1: they both had these transparent, these translucent shells of another
Speaker 1: face over their face and I was like, I'm gonna die.
Speaker 5: They are murdered. This is a it's still and I
Speaker 5: have a photo of it.
Speaker 1: It's the scariest photo ever that that is the creepiest mask.
Speaker 3: We have so many.
Speaker 4: Well, I would argue because one year my parents got
Speaker 4: this is such a seventies thing too. My parents had
Speaker 4: my mom was wearing an alien mask and my aunt
Speaker 4: Jean was wearing like a it was a monkey mask,
Speaker 4: but the monkey looked like it had been through.
Speaker 3: Some shit, so it was just like and they walked
Speaker 3: in like hi girl. The most upsetting. It's so funny.
Speaker 4: We have pictures of all of it too, And my
Speaker 4: friend Amy actually did a painting because there's we have
Speaker 4: a picture of me wearing the alien mask and my
Speaker 4: sister wearing I think the monkey mask.
Speaker 3: But like little kid bodies but adult size.
Speaker 2: Sounds so scary.
Speaker 6: I just like a fun fact about the Mike Myers
Speaker 6: Halloween mask is actually William Shatner mask.
Speaker 1: Right, You get like a mold of Shatner's face for
Speaker 1: something else, for Star Trek or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you like sue them.
Speaker 3: Oh really, that's great.
Speaker 4: He doesn't love to play along at all, but it
Speaker 4: is kind of genius that one of the scariest masks
Speaker 4: ever is just William Shatner painted white.
Speaker 1: He sued them, but he's known for ripping off songs
Speaker 1: like rocket Man and blurs common people.
Speaker 4: I love my friends, we love you, okay, I love
Speaker 4: you fine, we love you.
Speaker 5: Say it with more meaning.
Speaker 4: It's like you can tell the Kardashians that you're for Christmas.
Speaker 5: Got one of those recorders, Yeah, yeah, recorders the phone
Speaker 5: on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're just like, well, Robert will come over to
Speaker 4: your house and we'll just record you real quick.
Speaker 3: It's just for my birthday video.
Speaker 1: Yep, oh my god, that is what it is. I
Speaker 1: I encourage you both and everyone listening to watch.
Speaker 5: Yes, it is. It's very entertaining.
Speaker 1: If I if it's not online, I will find it
Speaker 1: and somehow please post it.
Speaker 3: If it's not online, you're going to find it anyway.
Speaker 3: Right at the library.
Speaker 5: People know I'm on the social media, you'll just check
Speaker 5: in with me.
Speaker 6: That even stresses me out now, Like I can't imagine
Speaker 6: what was like in the nineties, but now when people
Speaker 6: are like, oh, let's just make like a video real quick,
Speaker 6: I'm like, immediately so stressed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got a shower and do stuff. I gotta
Speaker 5: put stuff in my hair. I can't do it now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have showed up to so many podcast recordings
Speaker 4: and that's when I find out that the whole thing
Speaker 4: is also being video where I'm just like, I didn't
Speaker 4: do my hair, Like I realized that's my job. But
Speaker 4: it's like it's understanding this audio recording. Yeah, where it's
Speaker 4: like I would have put my eyebrows on and done
Speaker 4: my whole thing, but now I'm just here with bad hair.
Speaker 3: Fine, let's do this.
Speaker 4: Like I it's so crazy, And then it's like lives
Speaker 4: on the internet forever, so frustrating.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was trying to explain it to some recently
Speaker 6: where I was I didn't I didn't get into comedy
Speaker 6: to do boomerangs, but that's what I feel like I'm
Speaker 6: paid to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, you've been doing a lot of voice
Speaker 1: work on animated show, Like were you on Bob's Burger's too?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's a gig where you can just show
Speaker 1: up in sweats and not worry.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the whole that's the whole cell on is like,
Speaker 6: you just show up.
Speaker 2: They don't have to see your face.
Speaker 1: That's great, it's the dream. Well, you have a distinctive voice.
Speaker 1: I'm really you never notice if someone has a voice
Speaker 1: for that can be used in animation. But I'm just
Speaker 1: now realizing you have a great voice.
Speaker 6: Oh I was gonna say, I feel like everyone on
Speaker 6: this zoom has a distinct Oh.
Speaker 1: We should all be successful in the world of animation,
Speaker 1: that specifically us.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So basically you guessed it on Bob's Burger's. And is
Speaker 4: that how you got the Great Norse.
Speaker 6: I think that's how I was on their radar because
Speaker 6: it is by two Bob's Burger's writers. So I think
Speaker 6: that's how I sort of like they were familiar with,
Speaker 6: like my voice and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and how is it? Do you have some
Speaker 4: anecdotes you want to tell?
Speaker 6: I mean, it's funny because a lot of our recording
Speaker 6: has been after pandemic stuff, so it's all been like
Speaker 6: over zoom, and it's been a little odd in that
Speaker 6: way of like I've recorded so much of it just
Speaker 6: in a little booth in my home.
Speaker 1: Sure, oh wow, that's even more. Yeah, you don't even
Speaker 1: leave the house. It's the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is great.
Speaker 6: But I think it's funny to do like a family
Speaker 6: comedy and then be like and everyone recorded by.
Speaker 3: Themselves separately and alone.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I just don't know how they edit it
Speaker 6: all together to make it sound like coherent. I still
Speaker 6: don't really understand how to do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Now we're finally like doing group records again, where it's
Speaker 6: like you can play off of each other and yeah,
Speaker 6: but for a long time, it was just like the
Speaker 6: director being like, Okay, give me that one more time,
Speaker 6: and you're like, okay, could.
Speaker 5: You tell when you watched that it wasn't the same?
Speaker 2: No, I mean that that's the thing. They're like really
Speaker 2: good at making it seem cohesive. Editors, man, I know, yeah,
Speaker 2: unsung heroes.
Speaker 4: Have you ever seen the audio editor the way when
Speaker 4: they go into like a line of audio where they
Speaker 4: can go in and pull it apart and go in
Speaker 4: and pull it apart, so they can literally go in
Speaker 4: and like take a noun out. I mean like I
Speaker 4: used to watch Eban Schletter do audio editing all the time,
Speaker 4: and that thing where it's like if you do something,
Speaker 4: they can like take the piece that you just recorded
Speaker 4: and then they basically stretch it on the screen and
Speaker 4: then that's how they pull things together or whatever. I'm
Speaker 4: sure both Stephen and Anneli's right now are like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we know, yeah, but I think it's fascinating because it's
Speaker 4: the same thing as film editing, where it's.
Speaker 3: Like how did they used to do it compared to
Speaker 3: how they do it now.
Speaker 1: No, even when we're editing my comedy special, I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't enunciate. It's like I have marshmallows in my mouth.
Speaker 1: And we went in and made it to where the
Speaker 1: words sounded. There was a strong consonant there because I
Speaker 1: mush mouthed it. Yeah you know whoa yeah, magic, Thank
Speaker 1: you editors.
Speaker 2: I've always been saying this, the real heroes are behind
Speaker 2: the camera.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so true. I'm not an actor, but I
Speaker 5: work in the movie.
Speaker 1: Business and the knobs Yeah, yeah, there's gotta be knobs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my friend and I used to always do that. There
Speaker 1: was a light table if you're at a light table,
Speaker 1: and I was just I was drawing pictures for t shirts.
Speaker 1: But it's like, I'm not a fashion designer, but I
Speaker 1: am in the clothing business. We used to always act
Speaker 1: it out. It's my favorite do it at home. It's
Speaker 1: a fun thing to act out. You'll see, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen the commercials, so I guess it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: Parna.
Speaker 4: I always see the tweets of the butter Boy comedy
Speaker 4: show in North City. It always makes me really happy
Speaker 4: because it's usually a bunch of people that I really like.
Speaker 4: You do that with May Higgins, right, the great May.
Speaker 2: Megan Higgins and Joe Firestone.
Speaker 3: Oh, she's so hilarusly.
Speaker 2: Funny, very very funny, and it's so nice.
Speaker 6: It's like one of the main shows I've been keeping
Speaker 6: up with in terms of live performing. And it's just
Speaker 6: like a weekly show of hanging out with your friends
Speaker 6: and then seeing some very funny comedy. So it's like
Speaker 6: a Brooklyn show. And it used to be I guess
Speaker 6: Kurt Browneller and Kristin Charles's show, like way back when
Speaker 6: it was called Hot Tough, and then it became why
Speaker 6: it's the next show it was night Train and now it's.
Speaker 2: In the iteration of Butterboy with us nice and is
Speaker 2: it is it at the Bellhouse? It's at Little Field.
Speaker 2: Oh okaych is like kind of a sister venue.
Speaker 3: I guess, Oh okay, awesome.
Speaker 4: I was just see I would see those tweets and
Speaker 4: I'm like, I wish I could go to that show
Speaker 4: tonight because it's always like you know, it's always a
Speaker 4: bunch of really good people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I see that with New York shows. I'm
Speaker 1: noticing that. I'm like, lately, like, should I have moved
Speaker 1: to New York when I panic, oh, half a year ago,
Speaker 1: it's too late. Now I live here, I have a garage.
Speaker 6: But I feel like Deli has shows like that. Like
Speaker 6: I remember even before I moved to La in DC,
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, see like show posters from and
Speaker 6: be like.
Speaker 2: Oh, what's it? Like? Yeah, yeah, show in Glenda.
Speaker 3: There's plenty of parking.
Speaker 6: Like it does seem so exotic if you're outside of
Speaker 6: a scene to be like, wow.
Speaker 4: Now, did you guys do zoom shows in like the
Speaker 4: in Quarantine.
Speaker 6: We did for a while, like our producer Mariann Ways,
Speaker 6: she was like one of the first people to like
Speaker 6: immediately get a Zoom show going, and it was definitely interesting.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys did a lot of
Speaker 6: Zoom shows, but it's I did, very much its own thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, separate from comedy.
Speaker 1: It's separate from joy, the feeling of joy or happiness.
Speaker 1: It's like it's got its own little category right next
Speaker 1: to sucking really bad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, it's different. It's different.
Speaker 2: But it was like some.
Speaker 6: People would come in and very much it was like
Speaker 6: they were just doing stand up, Like they would have
Speaker 6: a whole setups, a fake brick.
Speaker 2: Behind them, and then other people would be like, we're
Speaker 2: just going to talk to you because this is humiliating.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And honestly, I will say it put me
Speaker 1: in a new Habit was stand up where I'm telling
Speaker 1: more stories and I'm not I used to be into
Speaker 1: one liners and that's kind of not the way I'm
Speaker 1: thinking anymore. And I think it's because of the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. I'm just now realizing that. Yeah, which,
Speaker 1: you know, everything happens for a reason. It's the point God,
Speaker 1: the Lord, when he works he's.
Speaker 5: Ways or mysterious.
Speaker 3: Chris is doing the Bible party.
Speaker 1: I think it was First Corinthians. Just kidding, I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's only my friends.
Speaker 5: Hey, Jesus, I love my Lord. He was he loves me.
Speaker 5: He's on a cross, he loves me.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, visual I yeah, it's also I've realized a
Speaker 1: partner my Nieces. Your mannerisms and you you remind me
Speaker 1: of my nieces where teenage.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, there, they would like you a lot.
Speaker 1: I'll just say that if you ever met my nieces,
Speaker 1: I would just kind of watch you guys interact because
Speaker 1: you they remind me of you.
Speaker 5: It's what I'm saying, and.
Speaker 2: That actually makes me think.
Speaker 6: Have you guys ever had that where someone's like you
Speaker 6: remind me of another person and then you're kind of distroyed.
Speaker 5: Oh no, yeah, the world.
Speaker 2: I wasn't saying. I wasn't saying that this was an
Speaker 2: example of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I feel like children are pure and faultless, but I
Speaker 6: feel like when people are like, oh, my friend is
Speaker 6: just like you, like you love each other, it makes
Speaker 6: you feel like, yeah, you're a copy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Here he is next to his eighteen wheeler. That's like,
Speaker 1: oh great, that's.
Speaker 3: At our live shows.
Speaker 4: Sometimes we meet people like there'd be a greed at
Speaker 4: the end, and every once in a while it would
Speaker 4: make me laugh so hard, or sometimes it would just
Speaker 4: make me stand there. But there would be someone that
Speaker 4: would come up and go, I'm just like you, I'm
Speaker 4: a total bitch.
Speaker 3: Who it would just be like, awesome, great.
Speaker 4: It's the thing where I knew what they were, I
Speaker 4: knew what they meant, I knew what they were trying
Speaker 4: to do, which is basically say I relate to you, yes,
Speaker 4: and I think everything is fucking bullshit and I'm not
Speaker 4: afraid to show it or whatever.
Speaker 3: But it's a totally different thing with them, just like.
Speaker 4: There she is the bitch, I relate to you, or yeah,
Speaker 4: that word.
Speaker 5: It's different for other people.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's to me, it's always been a
Speaker 1: really bad word. But what they're telling you, it's like
Speaker 1: you don't put up with people, and you let them
Speaker 1: know that they can't overstep. It's an empowering version of it.
Speaker 1: But in my house, you can't say the B word.
Speaker 1: It's up there with the C word.
Speaker 4: It's well, you know what it is. It's just I
Speaker 4: can myself a bitch all the way. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 4: I certainly will act like a bitch, but you're not
Speaker 4: allowed to say it. You're not allowed to just high
Speaker 4: five me and say it. But it's that, it is
Speaker 4: that kind of thing where I think it's learning that
Speaker 4: I'm not interested in other people's impression of me. It's
Speaker 4: just like, yeah, I don't I don't want to know.
Speaker 4: It's hard enough without getting some honest, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: feedback that I didn't ask for.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's funny because that reminds me in therapy
Speaker 6: where it's like sometimes I'll have like a low opinion
Speaker 6: of myself and my therapists.
Speaker 2: Will be like, talk to you yourself the.
Speaker 6: Way a friend would talk to you, And I was like,
Speaker 6: I really don't want to see myself through other people's
Speaker 6: eyes either.
Speaker 2: That also.
Speaker 3: Also bad.
Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, I want to know about this
Speaker 1: the holiday comedy that's going to be on Comedy Central.
Speaker 2: It's like a.
Speaker 6: Caper movie about I guess usually a holiday movie would
Speaker 6: be like Christmas, but it's the new.
Speaker 1: Holiday of well, it's called Hot Mess. Holiday right around
Speaker 1: the Corner is coming out on the eleventh, and.
Speaker 4: It's great to see you. Yeah, and it's so nice
Speaker 4: to talk to you. I mean to really actually get
Speaker 4: to have a nice chat with you.
Speaker 1: It's very fun and I want to see you do
Speaker 1: stand up again. So arrange that.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, likewise for everybody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: I'm looking I'll come to New York and do your show.
Speaker 5: I've invited myself. How do you like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, please come on through. Please.
Speaker 3: Look that's a self book right there.
Speaker 5: See. I just learned to ask for a things.
Speaker 3: Yep, you got to.
Speaker 5: I'll send you a tape you.
Speaker 2: Ain't even ask. That's even more of a power movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be there. Hey, I'm going to be in
Speaker 1: Town Billy in December. I'll just scoot on down on
Speaker 1: a train, you know, I don't drive. Thank you for
Speaker 1: being on You were great.
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 5: Listening.
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