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Speaker 2: From Fudurro media and PRX, It's Latino USA, I'm Maria

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Speaker 2: no Josa, and today grab your water bottle because we're

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Speaker 2: going on a hike with Highler, an outdoor club in

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles centering women of color. Evelyn Escovad Thomas grew

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Speaker 2: up near a state park in northern Virginia, but she

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Speaker 2: For Evelyn and other members of her community, hiking was

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Speaker 2: a white people thing. In twenty seventeen, after moving to

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Speaker 2: The outdoor was still very homogeneous and still very white.

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Speaker 2: But Evelyn knew there were more black and brown people

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Speaker 2: invited a group of friends for a hike, and just

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Speaker 2: like that, Hike clerb was born and it took off fast.

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Speaker 2: At times up to one hundred women and non binary

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Speaker 2: a hike with Evelyn Iskwada Thomas and some of the

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Speaker 2: women of Hike Club. All right, off we go, mamonos.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, can y'all hear me back there?

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, first, good morning, Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: being out here. If this is your first high Club hike,

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Speaker 4: Whoa, whoa wow, that's amazing. Well welcome.

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Speaker 1: My name is Evelyn Escubar, my pronouns are she, her,

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Speaker 1: who created Hi Club. So today we're going to go

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Speaker 4: For and like teaching myself now.

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Speaker 1: And so with her, I always had that fundamental understanding

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Speaker 1: So High Club started back in October of twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: My name is Melory, do you want to us for Latina?

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Speaker 3: That's that's my name. I am a Mexican woman, first generation,

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Speaker 3: and I haven't coming to High Car twenty eighteen, I

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Speaker 3: she's now become one of my closest friends. I'm wearing

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Speaker 3: So that fashion influence in media transcends down to the outdoors.

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Speaker 1: All right, start coming up and we're almost there.

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Speaker 3: The hikes on the hike, you know how I say

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Speaker 1: The outdoors benefits everyone, whether it's a conscious decision to

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Speaker 1: You're raising your vibrations to the levels of these plants

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Speaker 1: Like I said, We're just gonna go up this paved

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Speaker 4: So we're like seventy eighty percent done. You only have

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Speaker 4: a little bit left, all right, because I come.

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Speaker 5: My name is Jennifer Vulci, and I am an American

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Speaker 5: Canadian of Haitian ancestry. Right now we are looking at

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Speaker 5: a lot of greenery. We got some I don't know

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Speaker 5: what yellow flowers these are on the side, but they're

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Speaker 5: circle moment. I just love it here and that's why

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Speaker 5: I keep coming back. I will not say that I

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Speaker 5: So they were afraid of water, They're afraid to go

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Speaker 5: think that a lot of the times those things happened,

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Speaker 5: but they happened in communities where you were almost outnumbered,

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Speaker 5: part of the disconnect that people have, is that they

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Speaker 5: don't want to expose yourself to threat because it's coming

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Speaker 5: you have to think about, well, what might they do

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Speaker 5: if I'm seen as in fruiting in that space. So

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Speaker 5: even though nature is meant to be for everyone, even

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Speaker 5: though this is historically indigenous land, because it's been taken

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Speaker 5: and everything. You feel like you're taking up someone else's land,

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Speaker 5: even though the land belongs to us.

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Speaker 4: Up something.

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Speaker 1: So the first Hyke we had ten people, and through

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Speaker 1: those early stages sometimes we had like five people, you know,

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Speaker 1: looking back to in twenty nineteen, before the pandemic really

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Speaker 1: So just from a like quantitative place, it has just

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Speaker 1: we are truly reconnecting with ourselves. That's the essence of

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Speaker 1: because when you're out there, you truly can feel how

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Speaker 1: connected you are to everything else. Okay, so first of all,

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Speaker 1: shout out to all of you from making it all

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Speaker 1: the way to the top. This was actually pretty strenuous.

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Speaker 4: It's hi and there's.

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Speaker 1: A decent incline, so there's that, But you did it.

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Speaker 4: Never get to go back down. And drink juice and

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Speaker 4: get snacks. Ilas over me.

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Speaker 3: So your baby's crying, that's why, all right.

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