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Speaker 1: and the officials Dallas Cowboys app. Hello, you always do that? Hello,

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Speaker 1: This is weird. I don't know if we've ever had

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Speaker 1: Happy Hours, I don't yeah, it could be. How about Yeah,

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Speaker 1: your MIC's off? Wow, sterling starts. There you go, Rob,

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Speaker 1: Here we go, Here we go. Welcome to the show,

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Speaker 1: Rob show. All right, so you were listening to the

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Speaker 1: Talking Hanging with the Talking Cowboys break. I think sure.

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Speaker 1: To my right is Rob Phillips from Talking Cowboys. Correct.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Rob. It's been Talking Cowboys group. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of To your right is our grumpy little buddy,

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Speaker 1: Dave Hellman. That's fair. Hey, how's it going from the break?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing, Dave? I'm doing good man? How

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Speaker 1: are you break? Before it hits for you? One on

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Speaker 1: five and hits for one of these guys got a

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Speaker 1: on five They some good stuff. And then to your right,

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Speaker 1: my left is my buddy from our show Hanging with

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Speaker 1: the Boys? Name are you doing? Are you grumpy Nate today?

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Speaker 1: I'm saying all I'm saying, I'm gonna be quiet. That's

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Speaker 1: that's a lie. One more day until what Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: said that when you got these the new head coach

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Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboy Man, tell them who that is?

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett for life? Jason Garrett for life? Y'all know

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Speaker 1: something we don't know? Or is that just a prediction?

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Speaker 1: I know? Why would you for this man that you

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Speaker 1: care so much about and and you're letting him say

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Speaker 1: all of his farewells? That was the rumor at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the week, and then it went to he

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Speaker 1: was hugging people and getting numbers and he guess what

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Speaker 1: that was on Monday, then Tuesday, and then Wednesday. We're

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Speaker 1: just gonna take off because it is important to find it.

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Speaker 1: It's not important to find a head coach or left

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Speaker 1: the head coach that you care so much about. Go

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Speaker 1: find another job, because every day is pretty important when

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Speaker 1: you were unemployed, especially in the NFL, because there's only

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Speaker 1: a certain amount of jobs. Right now, you're meeting with

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Speaker 1: this man again all this just to fire him on

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Speaker 1: Thursday or Friday. I don't buy it. They're not gonna

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Speaker 1: fire him. They don't be the coach, they don't have to.

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Speaker 1: They're not gonna let him go. You can't convince me

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Speaker 1: that anything that's happened this week changes anything. Honestly, you can't.

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Speaker 1: I mean and listen, I could be wrong. Nobody. The

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Speaker 1: one thing I know is that literally nobody knows what's

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Speaker 1: going on. That's true unless your name is love and

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Speaker 1: I love it. I don't. I love it. I'm ready

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Speaker 1: for because all these people that they know what's going on,

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Speaker 1: they're reporting, and then they're backtracking, and then this has happened.

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Speaker 1: No way that didn't have I love it. I love Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I saw a gift. Somebody replied to somebody with a

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Speaker 1: guy on a bicycle going backwards in the circle, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of where we are right now. Suck. It sucked

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Speaker 1: for you too, because you guys have to write stories

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Speaker 1: about the end of the season anything, but you can't

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Speaker 1: really do anything until this cloud that's hanging over the

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Speaker 1: time on the same page. Yeah, that didn't happen. Often

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Speaker 1: doesn't hardly ever, hardly ever. I just want to hear

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Speaker 1: what you two guys. Well, I do have some news today. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: oh god, Cowboys signed Clayton come on future contract, Come on,

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Speaker 1: I just don't really care until we know who's going

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Speaker 1: to be coaching. What position does he play at? Quarterback?

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Speaker 1: not the point. Everybody Scott Scotlandhan's public enemy number one.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's convinced he's got to go. Did it happen Monday? No?

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Speaker 1: Did it happen Tuesday? No? Wednesday, Thursday? It happened that week.

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Speaker 1: It finally happened on Friday, Your coordinator a little bit

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Speaker 1: Tony Romo? He gets benched for Dak Prescott. Everybody, I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's not act like this. Let's not act let's not

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Speaker 1: do you need three meetings with him just to be like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Ultimately it didn't work out in a playoff Berth. So

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Speaker 1: he's taking some blame and some ownership of why things

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Speaker 1: that anyway, though, like Jy, Jerry is not afraid of criticism.

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Speaker 1: saying he had made his mind about Jason. Yes, I don't.

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Speaker 1: mister dude, you've been kind of quiet. Yeah, because I'm

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Speaker 1: loving it. I'm loving it. I wish I have. I

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Speaker 1: just checking to see if theories have been proven right around. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm laughing because the goal was clear and simple from

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Speaker 1: both the owner and his son NFC Championship. All else

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Speaker 1: you there, But that was If that was the goal,

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Speaker 1: why is Jason still here? It's mystifying. I don't have

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Speaker 1: If that's not my theory, If that's not what's going on? What? What?

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Speaker 1: What are they talking about? Over three days? What can't

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about this again. He's not under contract.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have to be fired to go away. It

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Speaker 1: They could be they could be asking Jason for his

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Speaker 1: I think Patrick Mahomes could flirt with forty a year

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Speaker 1: when he's when he's ready to do that, which could

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Speaker 1: be as soon as the Chiefs are done playing. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to do that, and that's that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: one of the big storylines of the season, is where

427
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Speaker 1: do you come down on that? How hard or you know,

428
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Speaker 1: or the cowboy's gonna play hardball or Dak and his

429
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Speaker 1: team really going to hold out and try to break

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Speaker 1: the bank. I don't know, but assuming you can get

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Speaker 1: that deal done and not set the market, I feel

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Speaker 1: perfectly comfortable with that, And I honestly which this will

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Speaker 1: make people feel some type of way too, but like

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Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to me that this is happening after

435
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Speaker 1: an eight and eighth season. That's when Tony Romo signed

436
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Speaker 1: his last really big contract. He got whatever it was

437
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,719
Speaker 1: at the time, one hundred and five million in the

438
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Speaker 1: weeks following an eight and eighth season that saw them

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Speaker 1: get knocked out in the final week of the year.

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Speaker 1: So obviously, you know Dak had he didn't deliver this year,

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Speaker 1: they didn't make the playoffs. I get all of that,

442
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: but there were enough positive signs for me and his youth.

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Speaker 1: I think he's only going to get better and I

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Speaker 1: would be very comfortable pulling that trigger. Only glit No,

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Speaker 1: ye do this started franchise stage. Just say hey, this

446
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Speaker 1: is where we started it and that may be what

447
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Speaker 1: they end up doing if they can't get to an agreement. Yeah,

448
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Speaker 1: the only problem I had I love Dak as a human,

449
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Speaker 1: as a leader. I think the big blood coming well

450
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys, Well, the Cowboys haven't really given themselves much

451
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Speaker 1: of a choice. They've kind of backed themselves into a corner.

452
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Speaker 1: And I think that's you're really your only option because

453
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Speaker 1: they remember far too well the days of Quincy and

454
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Speaker 1: Chad Hutchinson and the big gap between. If you want

455
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Speaker 1: a devil's advocate, I mean, you could franchise Dak and

456
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Speaker 1: draft the quarterback you like, what kind of what kind

457
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Speaker 1: of locker room would that be? Sure? That that dynamic

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Speaker 1: that would be I don't think it would be a

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Speaker 1: good idea, but you I mean you could. You're not

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Speaker 1: married to him, that's the whole point. But I think

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Speaker 1: that's that's that's the reason why they didn't bring in

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Speaker 1: a One of the reason why they didn't bring an

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Speaker 1: established veteran in is because you didn't want that controversy

464
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Speaker 1: or that you know. But I would have liked to

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Speaker 1: have seen Dak a couple of times this year when

466
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Speaker 1: they needed him to put the team on their back,

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Speaker 1: him go win a game. Yeah, And I didn't see

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Speaker 1: that this year. I saw it last year, the year

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Speaker 1: before and the year before, but this year, like when

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Speaker 1: you really needed him strap it up. New Orleans was

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Speaker 1: an example. A couple of other games, like go go

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Speaker 1: win us a couple of games, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: that could have been play calling, that could have been coaching,

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Speaker 1: that could have been talent around you, whatever. I just

475
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Speaker 1: when you go pay that kind of money, I feel

476
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Speaker 1: like Russell Wilson's gonna win you two or three a year.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Drew's gonna win you two or I

478
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Speaker 1: feel like Aaron Rodgers gonna win you five or six

479
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Speaker 1: a year. So yeah, but you know, on the flip

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Speaker 1: side of that, one thing I've for Dad when his

481
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Speaker 1: numbers haven't been as good as they were this year,

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Speaker 1: even in the past, the thing that I always felt

483
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Speaker 1: like with him, I feel like he's a pretty clutch

484
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Speaker 1: quarterback when he has the ball in his hands lad

485
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Speaker 1: in games throughout his career, I've always felt pretty good

486
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Speaker 1: about it, and on top now it kind of flipped

487
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Speaker 1: this year because I think his numbers are better, but

488
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Speaker 1: the wins aren't there. Yeah, So I think he's still

489
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Speaker 1: young enough in his career to what piggyback on what

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Speaker 1: Dave said, I think he continues to get better. But

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Speaker 1: one thing you said about the backup situation, I think

492
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Speaker 1: they've gone young because they just they they've brought in

493
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Speaker 1: veteran backups before and it's been not great. It's been

494
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Speaker 1: the disaster at times, but those guys have had to play.

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Speaker 1: But rather go young backups on a reflection of how

496
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Speaker 1: good your team is. Like Pittsburgh Steelers, they got a team,

497
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Speaker 1: big being come back. It's gonna be a nice ain't rolling.

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Speaker 1: They got a team, and I think we have a team.

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Speaker 1: But the issue, the issue here is, and I'm with

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Speaker 1: Hellman and I'm gonna go a little bit deeper. You

501
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Speaker 1: start at the franchise tag and you work it slowly

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Speaker 1: from there. Do not feel like you have to rush

503
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Speaker 1: just in case they go against Min Shannon wishes. They

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Speaker 1: go against Min Shannon wishes because the new coach may

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Speaker 1: see that in a different light. So that I think

506
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Speaker 1: about that all the time. I mean, if Jason Garrett

507
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Speaker 1: is not the coach, and that's the thing is a

508
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Speaker 1: new coach shows up, and it's uncanny how quickly you

509
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Speaker 1: can transform a roster when you do a regime change

510
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Speaker 1: like that. John Gruden just did it a couple of

511
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Speaker 1: years ago. I keep thinking about him, and there are

512
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Speaker 1: they're in position to do that this year because they've

513
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Speaker 1: got thirty something guys that could be free agents, Bud

514
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Speaker 1: just over half the roster. I think a prerequisite for

515
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Speaker 1: any hire they would make would be that the coach

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Speaker 1: has to be convicted that Dak as the guy. Totally agree.

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Speaker 1: I can't think they're sold. Times have changed in the

518
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Speaker 1: last what five, six, seven, eight years to where you

519
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Speaker 1: gotta have a coach that's committed to the quarterback and

520
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Speaker 1: can you win with this guy? And if you can't,

521
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Speaker 1: and we really want this coach. You've seen it several

522
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Speaker 1: times the last few years, the quarterbacks gone and they

523
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Speaker 1: bring their own guy. You saw it with McVeigh, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean that to me, it doesn't seem like it

525
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Speaker 1: used to be that. The Cardinals they go, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you saw it. Kingsbury not so much. McVeigh.

527
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Speaker 1: Goff was already the wrong coach. But this this is

528
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Speaker 1: my issue. When y'all talk about Dak and we sit

529
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Speaker 1: here on our show and he shouted her and he

530
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Speaker 1: said a million times Dak has to take from his

531
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Speaker 1: past what is successful and blended in with the new.

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Speaker 1: He became a passing machine. And we saw Dak twice

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Speaker 1: this year. Go back and look at the films. We

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Speaker 1: saw him against Philadelphia and we saw him against the

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Speaker 1: Red Skins, where he did everything, ran uninvited. I'm trying about.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about let his instincts. Let him keep his instincts.

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Speaker 1: A lot of this this year he's just sent back there.

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Speaker 1: First were first wall bundles thirty four, third and three,

539
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Speaker 1: third and five, and we're dropping back passing. Okay, was

540
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: nothing wrong in the offensive line. We still had Zeke

541
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Speaker 1: and Dak said, okay, there's three yards. Well he tried

542
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Speaker 1: to throw. I'm saying myself, is he lost it? What

543
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: is he thinking? Is he over coach? Now? Because I

544
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: know North Turner, but that was a different deal with

545
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: Troy Troy like, hey, we're gonna throw the ball. With

546
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Speaker 1: Troy that hey, you sometimes you have to stand back

547
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Speaker 1: then make something happen. But I didn't see that with Dak.

548
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Speaker 1: And when you see that with Dak, now we got

549
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Speaker 1: the games closer and were going down the stretch, and

550
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: I see that type of day. I didn't see that

551
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Speaker 1: Dak this year. I think that's fair. I mean, the

552
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: late game heroics were not there. He had a chance.

553
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Speaker 1: If he's if he's a little bit better, maybe they

554
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: beat Minnesota. You know, they had the ball before, even

555
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Speaker 1: if you change the play. That's the question that's Philly

556
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: obviously is the most recent one where I mean, he

557
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: could have stepped up in that situation and potentially tied

558
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Speaker 1: the game. You didn't see it this year, and that's

559
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: it's a very fair criticism. I just people always say,

560
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: like they're like, you want to pay for what you're

561
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: gonna do, not what you have done, Like you're paying

562
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Speaker 1: for the future. And I feel comfortable that he will

563
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: continue to grow and be a better quarter. All that

564
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: said that, the team itself wasn't as good last year.

565
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: The defense didn't get the takeaways for the short fields

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Speaker 1: to allow Dak maybe more comfort running the offense. The

567
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: special team, the fuel position wasn't there for the offense.

568
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: The overall team wasn't as good, and how many you know,

569
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Speaker 1: some of it slow starts on offense, but how many

570
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Speaker 1: times I mean, I think in the last month Dak

571
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Speaker 1: was averaging forty five pass attempts a game that's not

572
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: his game, that's not the offenses game, and that's some

573
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Speaker 1: of that's play calling. But someone's just a product of

574
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Speaker 1: how the team is playing, and they weren't. They didn't

575
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Speaker 1: get themselves in position to maximize his abilities and run

576
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Speaker 1: the offense they like to run it. This is what

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Speaker 1: I do know, Rob, This is what I do know

578
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Speaker 1: two years ago, and last year and a year before that.

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Speaker 1: For the last six years, we have not been a

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Speaker 1: team that turned people over, right, We have not been

581
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Speaker 1: a interception team that follows on the term. But what

582
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Speaker 1: we were and we would never second guess, was the

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Speaker 1: ability to tackle. Yes, that is that. One number one

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Speaker 1: thing that crushed this team this year is their ability

585
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Speaker 1: to tackle. And if they fixed just that one thing

586
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: and little little things that were cropped up down the

587
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Speaker 1: street last eight games of the season, the screen game,

588
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: trying to just get plays made in space, just fundamental stuff.

589
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Speaker 1: Just winning football you have to play. They didn't do

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Speaker 1: that consistently this year at all. Yeah, I mean, you're right,

591
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Speaker 1: like though, I mean, they haven't gotten takeaways the whole

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Speaker 1: time I've covered this team, But they forced to tackle, man,

593
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: they forced teams to kick field goals. They get off

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Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, I mean, how many amazing like sideline

595
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Speaker 1: to sideline tackles did vander esh and Jalen make last

596
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: year that didn't get made this year. Let's take it

597
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Speaker 1: in that direction. Date, So you're sounds like your biggest

598
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Speaker 1: thing they have to improve on to be a better

599
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: team next year's tackling. If they do that, I'm telling you, man,

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Speaker 1: this is automatically, this automatically a one or two win

601
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: better team just about tackling. Even last year, they would

602
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Speaker 1: have threw an eighty yard bomb. Again, I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: the Jets, but they wouldn't have made it to the

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Speaker 1: end zone. I guarantee you we would have got them.

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Speaker 1: We would have would have got That was the hallmark

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Speaker 1: of Marinelli's defenses for years, is that those type of

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Speaker 1: players didn't happen. That's right, brother, and I believe that

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Speaker 1: because is that coach Marinelli is that. I was gonna

609
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Speaker 1: ask you, how do you? I mean, how do you

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Speaker 1: fix that? I mean you're changing coaches back there now? Hellman,

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Speaker 1: I could answer to Jason Garry question quicker than I

612
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Speaker 1: can serious sick. What went wrong? It was it? The players?

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Speaker 1: The coaches are both Yeah, what's what's something Nates is tackling.

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Speaker 1: I think mine, mine is I think going into this year,

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, there were too many games where you

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Speaker 1: gave up on the run too early and calls Dak

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Speaker 1: to throw forty plus times the game. Like, that's kind

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Speaker 1: of what I was speaking to, And it's it's not

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Speaker 1: all play callings, it's the way the game went. But yeah, Zeke,

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Speaker 1: Zeke had a hell of the last stretch of the season.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were blowing people off the ball at

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Speaker 1: times in the running game, but I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they were as balanced as they would like to be.

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Speaker 1: Certainly weren't as balanced as they've been the first three years.

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Speaker 1: With that, it's almost like they would get scared. They

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Speaker 1: would they would panic once they were down to seven. Coordinator.

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Speaker 1: That was the youthful offensive coordinator. That's all I'm calling

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Speaker 1: it how it is. See Jason Garrett, you have to

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Speaker 1: press him, but he easily said our coordinator is calling

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Speaker 1: the plays. The first time he said, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the second time he said, my officeive coordinators calling the plays.

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Speaker 1: Then you digg a little deeper and find out that

633
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: mister Jones, say, hey, you would office coordinator called these plays.

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Speaker 1: We pay you for your aggressiveness, for your creativity, we

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Speaker 1: ain't paying you for your experience. And then you know

636
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Speaker 1: when it came home for me was when we played

637
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia three and out. They got our defense on the

638
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: field for five minutes. Then we come back knowing we

639
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: need to do something to save our defense. We go

640
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: three and out again. Did we come out again? They

641
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: hold the ball? Did we come back again? And the

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00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: only thing that the reason we got five plays called

643
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: we connected on the forty one yard but after that

644
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: we was out of the game. Our defense got sloted

645
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Speaker 1: for thirty four minutes. You can't do that as officsive coordinator.

646
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: You have to save your team. Now that goes straight

647
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: to the head coach, but your office a coordinator making

648
00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: these calls. No brother tackle and run in play, special teams,

649
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: special team. So there's another one. I'd say takeaways. I mean,

650
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: it's just Nate said it. It's been years and years

651
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: where they're midpack to bottom of the league. I think

652
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: they were tied for the fourth FEUs. They've just got

653
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: to make more plays on the defensive side of the ball.

654
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,479
Speaker 1: They have talent on defense. Now they've got there's gonna

655
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: be a lot of changes on defense. I mean, I

656
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: think there's like six guys that are headed front restrictor

657
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: free agency that started games this year. Whether you know,

658
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown counts as a third coin, Anthony Brown, Robert Quinn,

659
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: Byron Jones, Jeff Heath, Shawn Lee, UM coach man, Antoine

660
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: Woods is going. He's gonna be an exclusive exclusive rights

661
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: so he's probably not going anywhere. But it's a lot

662
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: at every level of their defense. I mean, there could

663
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: be changed, but Joe Thomas not a starter out Thomas,

664
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Speaker 1: but yeah, that can help Dak in the offense is

665
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: more than anything. I mean, you see some of these

666
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champions in the past few years. They haven't

667
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: necessarily had great defenses, but they took the ball away

668
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 1: and that that they almost need to reconfigure the ratings

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00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: for defenses because the Cowboys finished I think top eleven twelve.

670
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: But if you're not getting takeaways, that is such a

671
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: critical part of what you do defend. Which but like

672
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: you can yeah, those stats are misleading, but you can

673
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: go look at like efficiency like DVOA they were like

674
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: twenty fourth in the league. Okay, awful. Yeah, and that's

675
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: for me I know the offense had inconsistencies. They have

676
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: bad games. There were stretches where they looked pretty terrible,

677
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: But that offense perform, That offensive performance all sixteen games

678
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: gets them to the playoffs with a better season from

679
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: your defense, especially especially with the hype that we put

680
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: on them, like every I mean the hot boys got

681
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that phrase ever again. Now

682
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: they took that in San Francisco, we don't have to

683
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: worry about seriously, they I mean, they didn't play up

684
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: to the hype you got. You thought guys would make jumps.

685
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: That didn't do it. Tackling ninety two yard touchdown against

686
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: the team that won six games. I mean, come on.

687
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: I mean the two games where they played lights out

688
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: the best they played all year, first game against Philly

689
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: and the Rams, and they got takeaways, impactful plays defensively

690
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: that helped their offense out. To me, that's the biggest

691
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: key going forward. Because Dad's not going anywhere, Zeke's not

692
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: going anywhere. They've got the pieces still on offense. They're

693
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: coming back. I'm gonna tell you some fellas you know,

694
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: and I love having fun, but it's Jason garretting. But

695
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: one thing I do know, whoever is the coach, you

696
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: have a window here. Of course, talent, if directed in

697
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: the right way, for the next three years, all we

698
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: should be talking about is ten plus win seasons. This

699
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: was one. That's what makes this frustrating. That was this

700
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: was a year off the window. That's what I'm saying.

701
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 1: They needed to make some hey here before all these

702
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: contracts come home to roost, because that's gonna be a

703
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: problem in the next two or three years. Let's talk

704
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: about contracts and free agency. I want to get you'all thoughts. One.

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00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: I want to just take Dak out of it. We'll

706
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: take a break when we come back. Think about it

707
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: in the break. Who's the one guy besides Dak that

708
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: is a free agent that you have to get back

709
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: on this team. And then also let's look at the

710
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: wide receiver group and what you would do with that.

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00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: You know, Maury's a free agent, do you have to

712
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: bring him back? Or is Gallop ready to take the

713
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: next step? And then you go get another guy in

714
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: a draft. You also need back end help on the defense.

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Speaker 1: What do you do with that draft pick. Let's talk

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00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: a little bit about that before we get out of here.

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Speaker 1: But We're gonna take a break, pay some some bills,

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Speaker 1: the popping that paper. Oh wow, he trying to defy you.

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Speaker 1: He trying to defy you. Hellman? Sounds what movie was horrible? Radio?

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Speaker 1: I have no idea boomerang, boomerang, I've never seen that.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, what, all right, that's a great movie. Boomerang. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Eddy Murphy, Yes, yeah, with the guy that just passed

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Speaker 1: away recently. What was his name? Is his dad? Um

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Speaker 1: was in Friday? What was Oh? I know, I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember his name off the top of my head.

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Speaker 1: That was him. No, No, I'm not Debo his dad

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Speaker 1: in boomerang A Witherspoon, John was Debo. He was in Friday.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear their coming out with the Coming to

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Speaker 1: America Part two? Yeah? I cannot wait. Everything's got to

768
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Speaker 1: have a sequel, I swear. Has anybody before we move

769
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: on to football, has anyone watched Dolomite yet? Is that

770
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Speaker 1: any good? I hear it's really good though, John Witherspoon, John,

771
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Speaker 1: I saw him the improv here. He's great. He did. Yeah,

772
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Speaker 1: great movies? All right, Back to football, Okay, get a

773
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Speaker 1: little bit free agents. Let's talk about the wide receiver

774
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: group first, obviously Amari. Do you have to sign Amari?

775
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: Or are you good with the one thing? The one thing?

776
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: I love him Mark, he might be my favorite receiver

777
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: that's ever been here. I think I might like him

778
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: more than Daz. I just wish he had a little

779
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 1: bit of Deaz in him. I wish he had a

780
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: little bit more dog in him. Yeah, just a little

781
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: a little more. Hey, when it's when it's time to go,

782
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: like go and I don't take me out of the game, right, No,

783
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm not coming out. You have to pull me. My

784
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: farm has to be hanging off my b Yes, I

785
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: love I love him Mary. I hope he's back because

786
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: I love watching him run routes. I love his demeanor.

787
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: I like him. He just calm, He'll answer any question

788
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: in the locker room. But I just kind of almost

789
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: like I wanted Dak to take the team and put

790
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: him on his back a couple of games. I wanted

791
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: to Mary to take the team and put him on

792
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: his back a couple of games. But I hope he

793
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: comes back. What are y'all's thoughts as far as are

794
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: you signing ah Mari? Is it come down to if

795
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: you got the money. Is it got to be the

796
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: right deal or is he a guy you just go

797
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: pay no matter what. Well, correct me if I'm wrong, Davy.

798
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: But if the CBA remains in place, by the speak

799
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: can use both tags. They can use two tags. They

800
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: could if they have to, they can tag Dak and

801
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: they can take and tag them both. So I don't

802
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I see him being back next year. I

803
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: completely know. Whether it's a long term deal, we'll see,

804
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like Dak. It's going to

805
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: depend on the money. But I think he's back, and

806
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: I think I think he had a good year this year.

807
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: I think you have to also take an account the

808
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: guy played through a lot of stuff this year, um,

809
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: and I think it affects now. He told us he

810
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: can't healthy, but I don't think he was completely He

811
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: told us on Monday that he was healthier the second

812
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: eight games than the first, which really kind of disconcerting

813
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: because he was because he wasn't like his worst games

814
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: of the season all happened in the final five or

815
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 1: six weeks, right, So if he was feeling better, that's

816
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: not great. And he wasn't even on the injury report

817
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: in the Philly game, where everybody is wondering what happened there, Um,

818
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: so you can't blame it on injuries. But I think

819
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: he's back and and but there's no question getting act

820
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: that chemistry that he and Dak has on a consistent

821
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: basis road home that's a huge must for twenty twenty.

822
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: Dak and Amari are pretty funny because they both had

823
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: really good seasons, but not seasons that where you're just like,

824
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: pay them whatever they want, break it, like, you know,

825
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: there's there's reservations about both, and I think they're fair.

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Speaker 1: I agree. You know, you'd like to see some more

827
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Speaker 1: dog from him. You'd like to see him play well

828
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Speaker 1: on the road if he's gonna get top three money,

829
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: Like I need a guy that doesn't get taken out

830
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: of a game two or three times a year and

831
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Speaker 1: that well, So me and Derek had this conversation out

832
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: of the game physically, but out of the game like

833
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Speaker 1: shut down no, and well, Derek and I had this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I think I think people, you know, you focus so

835
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: much on one team, I think you can find yourself

836
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: in a bubble because that happens with you're only seeing

837
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: other receivers on Sports Center and You're like, oh, another

838
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: great game from him, like he never gets shut down.

839
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that's really true. I think Michael Thomas

840
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: never gets shut down, DeAndre Hopkins and maybe who Leo Jones.

841
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: But like the rest of the wide receivers in this league.

842
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: But that's not bad. But the chalk up a twenty

843
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: two yard perform. But that's what I'm saying. If you're

844
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Speaker 1: gonna command top one money, I need you to play

845
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: like a top three guy every week. I would be

846
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: happy to pay a Mario a long term contract if

847
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: I can slot him in at eighteen or nineteen million

848
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: a year, like if he wants to top Michael Thomas's deal.

849
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable with that. Okay, fair enough, Nate,

850
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: and I'm with you. It's like we're the ones doing

851
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: the talking, and fuck for us to be talking about

852
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: amor a guy that said, oh, I'm okay, Well, you know,

853
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: we don't even know why he was okay. He just

854
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: said I'm okay, I'm good. So I'm gonna wait. I

855
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: want him back, but I can let's see what he

856
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: let's for us see what he what are asking for?

857
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: Do we have a bottom line of what he's asking

858
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: for we knew at one point, we thought we knew,

859
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: but what that actually turned down to thirty five million

860
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: on a contract? Yeah, I don't. I don't think the

861
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: talks with the Maria had the same type of it. Yeah,

862
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: I don't think they got us far. Yeah. No, And

863
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: there's that, So there's some stuff going on there where

864
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: like he changed representation. There was like some time over

865
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: at his agency. I don't know. I will say, like,

866
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: if you don't feel comfortable signing him long term, lets

867
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean, let's say they tag him and it's another

868
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: one year deal, you better do some aggressive work on

869
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: your wide receiver corps. Because I love Michael Gallup. I

870
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: think he's one of the feel good stories of the season.

871
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to put that strain on him a

872
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: number one to be the guy. And Randall Cobb's a

873
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: free agent, he was fine. A lot of missed opportunities

874
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: there for him. I mean, Tavon Austin, that's like, there's

875
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: exactly no, I know, there's not a lot of pieces here.

876
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: What like, you look at it right now, you're like

877
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: Mark Cooper, Randall cop and Michael Gallup. That's pretty damn good.

878
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden if Cooper's not part

879
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: of it, you're like, we got Michael Gallup and some dude.

880
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: And I've heard the argument if you look at the

881
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: draft show seasons coming up. But if they, oh, I'm

882
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: gonna take a long look at like not necessarily slot receivers,

883
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: but receivers that can move inside and outside, I think

884
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's a deep class, at least at

885
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: the top of the draft. It absolutely is. But the

886
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: thing about that is it's like you say, oh, yeah,

887
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: they could just go do that, spend a top pick, Well, okay,

888
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: what about tight end? What about defensive tackles, what about safety?

889
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: What about corner? What was Byron Jones's future? There is

890
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: a ton of You can go down the list of

891
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: positions on his roster and say, oh, they I could

892
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: see that, I could spend them picking it. I could

893
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: see them spending the top yeah draft pick on this position.

894
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: Exposition sound it's really fun to draft one of those

895
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: freaks out of Alabama or God, there's there's a kid

896
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: in Colorado that's awesome, Like they could do some damage

897
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: with this wide receiver, Claus. Do you really see them

898
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: they having spent a first round pick on them, Maury Cooper.

899
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: If they're not going to give him a long term deals,

900
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: maybe they should. I just don't see if he's on,

901
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: if he's tagged and you don't know what his future

902
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 1: looks like, then maybe you should. What's wrong they? I

903
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: love it. Great discussion, but comes but no, no, no,

904
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: a great discussion because man, you just ain't that. I've

905
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: been saying the same thing for two weeks, but it

906
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: always get back to this right here, whether we want

907
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: it to a not And I know we don't draft

908
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: a need, so you could make the case that they

909
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: kind of and they've done that and messed up. But fellas,

910
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: I think maybe with the fifth pick I would draft

911
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: the offensive player our defense is find to go through it. Yeah,

912
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 1: you're not wrong, So you're a lot of potential train

913
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: We do not fix our defense. I promise you we'll

914
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: be looking at the same season again next year. The

915
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: top sack guy, Robert Quinn is going to be a

916
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: fair ag Are they gonna pay him? And if they don't,

917
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: who's playing opposite Tank Lawrence. I mean, there's a lot

918
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: of let's take it, let's take it another level, Okay,

919
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: until we get some clarity on this coaching situation. You

920
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: don't even know what kind of scheme they're gonna run.

921
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: I don't think they could switch to three four next year?

922
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: Why not if if I'm just what if they hire?

923
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: What if they hire? Like I mean, let okay, we don't.

924
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: Maybe Jayson Garretts come back tomorrow, he's going back, Okay

925
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: If he doesn't, it's almost two o'clock. If what if

926
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: they get there? What if they get a home run

927
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: higher And it doesn't matter who the name is, but

928
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: he's just like, I do a three four. I'm a

929
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: three four guy. I want that. That's what I That's

930
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: what I want. It's hard to do, I know, the same.

931
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: Even Parcels waited two years before he got to his

932
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: three four, which it's true, you got to spend a draft,

933
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: a couple of drafts doing it. But but you, like,

934
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: my point is like right now, we're like, well, they

935
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: got to find a way to keep Byron Jones. They

936
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: have to. He's he's played so well the last two years.

937
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: New new DC comes in under a new coach, He's like,

938
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: I don't need that guy. That guy doesn't feel with Dave.

939
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: Since you're talking, who's your guy, who's your guy outside

940
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: of Dad that you have to keep free agent. Oh goodness, UM,

941
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: I would probably go, I mean, this is boring, but

942
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: I'd probably say Amari followed by Byron. I don't know

943
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: how realistic that is. I think Byron's gonna unless they

944
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: were to tag him. I think Byron's gonna price himself

945
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: out of here because he's gonna get money. I'm I mean,

946
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't get picks, but good cornerback play as a

947
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: valuable commodity in this Yeah, and so I think that's

948
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a tough contract to keep up with UM

949
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: after Amari. I mean, if you can find a way

950
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: to get Quinn back, I would love that. I you know,

951
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: I think about the deal DeMarcus Ware signed after we

952
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: cut him. He went to Denver and signed three years

953
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: for thirty million. Quinn's turning thirty, he's been through the league,

954
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: he's gotten paid. If you could sign him to a

955
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: deal like that, I'd be all for it. But but

956
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: that I mean, as always, that depends on the market.

957
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody else could offer him twice as much,

958
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, we did our best, but you

959
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: gotta be responsible too. Who's your gaff? Rob? I agree

960
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: with everything Dave said. I'll throw out Sean Lee. I

961
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: know he's gonna be thirty four, but coach, well, he

962
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: may want to keep playing. And if he does, I

963
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: think given Layton vander Esh's status coming off the surgery

964
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: and they say he'll be ready in the offseason program.

965
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: But having Sean not in a monster role, but he

966
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: played the role he played, and and that veteran presence

967
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: in the locker room, I think that's important. He wants

968
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: to play in football. Has there ever been a player

969
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: coach probably in like the nineteen forties, Yeah, you know, yeah,

970
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: Hustle on the Celtics, you know, eighteen ninety nine Rutgers

971
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: like he was the court, he was the half back, quarterback,

972
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: defensive end and coach or something like that. Who's your guy, Nate,

973
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: Who you gotta keep? The reason I want to keep

974
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: this guy because I still don't know who he is.

975
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: It's Blake Jardan, I don't I don't know. I don't

976
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: know who he is, but I would like to find out.

977
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: And we cannot. We cannot keep losing tight ends, and

978
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: and that that position is not prosperous for us. That

979
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: used to be a killer position when when our guy

980
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: was uh uh five years younger that that was a

981
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: gimme almost a thousand yards team ten touchdown. This disposition

982
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: is suffering, whether we want to agree with it or not.

983
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: And I once I get past Blake Jarred, I'm going

984
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: with this man, you better keep one of these corners

985
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: and preferred to the one that we think we're gonna

986
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: get man, because if you deplete your backfield, what in

987
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 1: the world are we gonna do? Byron Jones doesn't have picks,

988
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: but he's the most he's the most consistent corner you got,

989
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: you better do something. I'm d I will gladly. The

990
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: man didn't have an off season or a training camp.

991
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: He wasn't perfect, he didn't he's not gonna be all

992
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: pro like he was last year, but he was solid

993
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: and didn't have an off season to get himself right.

994
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: I think that's really impressive. And guys don't throw at

995
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: him as much. That's part of it too. They stay

996
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: away from some of you. They don't test him all

997
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: that much game the game. We're not saying that this

998
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: kid is great, but if you don't think that this

999
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: kid is good or solid, what the other side show

1000
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: ain't proved to be and I don't. And I love Cheeto.

1001
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: He came out as a playmaker, Cheeto Woozia came to

1002
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: college as a playmaker? Is it him? Are the coaching good? Question? So? Wow? Hey,

1003
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: but it's money too. I mean we just talked Dakamari Byron.

1004
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: At some point, you know who's who gets lost? Man?

1005
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: Tag is nice? Yeah, that's what the tag is there?

1006
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: Fun man, I'll tell you. I'll say this though, And

1007
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: you know, I get anybody that wants to be glass

1008
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: half empty. I get it. It was a disappointing season,

1009
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: but it was a coaching change that saved Byron Jones' career. Yes, well,

1010
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna close the book on Cheeto Xavier Woods.

1011
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, both of those guys probably didn't

1012
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: live up to the preseason hype. But they're under contract.

1013
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna change the coaching staff, which I

1014
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: still think is likely, who knows? So can we all

1015
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: agree to disagree? Or where we're at with Jason too

1016
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: far and undecided's over here, right, I'll tell you right now,

1017
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: even if he comes back, it won't be tomorrow. Well,

1018
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna drag this thing out for a little while.

1019
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: But I'm not say if we get an announcement this week, great,

1020
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: but I'm not holding my Let me ask you if

1021
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: they if they do call a press conference, is that

1022
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: is that announcing that he's coming back? Is that? Is

1023
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: it a is it a we moved in a different direction?

1024
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: Or is it just a endo the year recap like

1025
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: we always have but we haven't had yet this There

1026
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: is no way in hell they're gonna do an end

1027
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: of the year recap and talk about it. Yeah, that's

1028
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: hard to see, Okay, So that they're talking about the pressure,

1029
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: y'all know how these press conference announcements come down to us.

1030
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: It's we're sitting here, everybody's about to leave, and then

1031
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: PR walks by and says we're having a press conference

1032
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: at four and it's three twenty, and then we all

1033
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: scramble and try to figure it out. So I'm just saying,

1034
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: if you were going to do an end of the year, okay,

1035
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: that's the game, So that that would have been. So

1036
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: if there is a press conference announcement, just so the

1037
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: fans know, what, what what's your money on? Is it

1038
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: he's coming back or we've moved on? They're not gonna

1039
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: have a press conference to say that the day's moved on.

1040
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: I could see. I could see a situation where Jerry

1041
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: and Stephen hold a press conference to Native's actually calling

1042
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: Jane on her right, she's right outside. Dave Campo did

1043
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: that right? Didn't they have a press conference when Camp's

1044
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: left you? It's I wouldn't hear, but I think it happened. Yeah,

1045
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: But I'm with you, David. I can't see them doing

1046
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: a press conference that they announced their parting ways. Maybe

1047
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: they do a press conference where Jerry and Stephen recapped

1048
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 1: the season and and talk about why they parted ways.

1049
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: But man, I don't know, all right, So I don't

1050
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: know what I'll say, Like, I don't I don't think

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's coming back. I don't know why it takes

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Speaker 1: sixteen meetings to figure that out. I was with you

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00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: until Monday, and I smooth taught myself r I didn't

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00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: do this, doesn't make this way. I'm gonna put my

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00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: feet up on the desk and when they tell me,

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00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: they tell me, I'm I don't know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: find out. This was fun, Rob, Thanks for hanging out

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00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: with each other day. You guys good I can't reach you.

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00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: I got short arms. Good to get the band back

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00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: together for show day, wowny as always. It was awesome

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Speaker 1: that we will be back. I guess next week at

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Speaker 1: eleven am. We don't know what show is, what day.

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Speaker 1: We don't know anything. We don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully our keys work tomorrow when we get to work.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, Happy New Year everyone. Thanks for hanging

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00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: out with us. We'll be back with someone normal schedule,

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Speaker 1: once a day for each show next week, every day

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Speaker 1: at eleven am. Jason gar Kyle, thanks for keeping us

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Speaker 1: on the air every day. Cayden, thank you for not

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00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: having anything to good with the show. We will talk

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00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: to you in some shape form or fashion next week

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Speaker 1: on Monday at eleven am. Thanks again. Hanging with the

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Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys, breaking stuff like Hi, Hi why. This has

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Speaker 1: been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the

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