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Speaker 2: This is Evan Ingram tight End for the Jacksonville Jaguars

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Speaker 2: and this is the NFL Report.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into the NFL Report.

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Speaker 3: James Palmer, Steve Witch with you on the eve of Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: And Steve, I had already a gluttonous performance at Cassa

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Speaker 3: Benita this Thanksgiving week, eating mounds of Mexican food while

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Speaker 3: going back to a Denver staple that has been rejuvenated

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Speaker 3: by the stars of South Park in Trey Parker and

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Speaker 3: Matt Stone. I appreciate those guys going and sinking millions

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Speaker 3: into something every kid in Denver has enjoyed. People were

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Speaker 3: jumping from cliffs, we had puppet shows, we had magic acts.

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Speaker 3: Nick's had the greatest time in the world, and I

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Speaker 3: just it was kind of my gear up for Thanksgiving

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Speaker 4: Well, James, I'm glad you're gonna be hitting the treadmill soon.

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Speaker 4: But in the famous ports of the great actor Donald

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Speaker 4: in general, there're an inspection of troops. Never heard of it,

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Speaker 4: So starting to back your casabanda experience.

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Speaker 5: But I'm glad you got kids out there.

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Speaker 4: Hey, JJP, we do have an incredible NFL report on

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Speaker 4: this Eve of Thanksgiving. We have Colts behind backer Zire Franklin,

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Speaker 4: who leads the NFL and solo tackles.

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Speaker 5: He's got a lot to say about what's going on.

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Speaker 4: With his club, Mark Ross, the former NFL executing our

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Speaker 4: own Judy Batista. They're gonna be chopping it up about

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Speaker 4: them coaching and GM News will be enjoined by James

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Speaker 4: Slater with the latest on the Cowboys, who play, of

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Speaker 4: course on Thanksgiving, and Cameron Wolf will be covering the

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Speaker 4: big AFC South battle with the Jags Big and the

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Speaker 4: to get that tiebreaker, JP.

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Speaker 1: I love that. That's a monster game. Who would have

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Speaker 3: Saying that a right South with two playoff teams right now,

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Speaker 3: the Jags and the Texans. But let's start this off,

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Speaker 3: Steve with the number one team in the NFL. We

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Speaker 3: So as we talk so much about the AFC and

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Speaker 4: Great point where we're asking this question because of the

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Speaker 4: that Thanksgiving staple. I don't know if Dallas is the

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Speaker 4: biggest threat. I think San Francisco is the biggest threat.

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Speaker 5: The reason why I say this is because the Niners

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Speaker 3: No, I actually really don't think so. Yes, you have

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Speaker 3: My point of this is is this, if your biggest

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Speaker 3: But I do think one drop Steve, that Mark wiz

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Speaker 5: To help you. This loss will humble them.

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Speaker 4: They made the type of fixable mistakes that they can

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Speaker 4: When I do think a team like Miami and absolutely

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Speaker 5: They are in the picture.

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Speaker 4: Report with one of the NFL's top tacklers, the Tackling

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Speaker 5: Right, JP, I'm good to come on whenever you want.

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Speaker 3: Writing that down right now, that's a formal invite.

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Speaker 1: I'm writing it down to the trench.

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Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned making listen zire, you mention making game

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Speaker 3: on pace right now for two hundred and twenty one tackles. Well,

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Speaker 3: nobody has had more than two hundred tackles in thirty years.

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Speaker 3: First off, are we going to be over two hundred tackles?

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Speaker 1: Are we? Hey?

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Speaker 6: Look, i know I'm supposed to say one at a time,

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Speaker 6: You know, I feel like, you know, when I'm out

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Speaker 6: I'm just trying to take advantage of him. Man, every game.

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Speaker 6: I'm just it's not like I got out there with

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Speaker 3: Okay, So with that said, I'm curious in your mind

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Speaker 6: Well, I would say tackling is all the mentality. It's

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: I kind of think of myself like, uh, Steve, what's

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Speaker 1: But I think, honestly, it's just.

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Speaker 6: Some mentality that you got to approach you with, and uh,

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Speaker 6: You know, I'm a little old school with my approach,

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Speaker 6: They got to not want to get tackled by you anymore.

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Speaker 6: I think it's just a mentality energy.

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Speaker 5: So tell me this.

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Speaker 4: I got a two part of here for you. So

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Speaker 4: you talk about the open field tackling. Do you think

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Speaker 1: Oh, no question. You know, just running down on kickoff, having.

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Speaker 6: To make a decision, do I, you know, two hand

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Speaker 6: I definitely feel like, you know, that's helped me, whether

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Speaker 5: So let me ask the second part of this.

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Speaker 4: but also you do your job accordingly.

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Speaker 6: It's tough, you know, to you and say that, you know,

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Speaker 6: they're making almost impossible for us. Sometimes it feel like

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Speaker 6: mean they're banning us. I never even heard of a

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Speaker 6: You know, that's kind of how it goes. But you know,

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, for you know myself, I think

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Speaker 6: it's just obviously seeing what you hit is the biggest thing.

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Speaker 6: I think when you tackle with your eyes up and

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Speaker 6: I know the league is trying to protect guys both

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Speaker 6: Obviously you don't want to go for guys head or

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Speaker 6: I'm a firm believer that football is a physical sport.

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Speaker 6: You're meant to the physical side of the game is

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Speaker 1: Great.

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Speaker 3: I got to ask you real quick then, Zira, like,

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Speaker 1: Are you trying to figure this out?

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Speaker 3: What are they explaining to you from your side of things?

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know, sometimes honestly, I feel like it's

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Speaker 6: you lost thirty thousands. So you know, it's just it's

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Speaker 6: just it's a tough league. Man, it's a tough league.

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Speaker 6: But look us, the defensive players. We try, we're trying

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Speaker 5: So you throw out tough league.

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Speaker 4: You guys as a team just went through something tough

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Speaker 5: How how tough is that?

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Speaker 4: Because I saw your repost and how you know you

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Speaker 4: What can you tell us about Shaq and then this decision,

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Speaker 6: Oh man, I gotta be honest, uh, you know, just

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Speaker 6: But you know, just for me personally. You know, we

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 6: You know, I've see you know, tough situation. I know

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Speaker 1: No doubt in my mind.

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Speaker 6: First off, the impact that he made here is you know,

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Speaker 1: Man. The NFL is full of great.

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Speaker 6: Stories, and you know yours has no short of overcoming

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Speaker 3: Sire, you mentioned that this is a business. You mentioned

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, you know, it's obviously it's tough holiday time.

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Speaker 6: It's just kind of poetic in the sense that you

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Speaker 4: ZAREI you're five and five coming off the bike at

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Speaker 6: Look, I mean, we've been in this league long enough,

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Speaker 6: one week at a time. You know what, we believe

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Speaker 1: You mentioned your head.

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Speaker 3: Coach, this is the last one I have for is

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Speaker 3: I hear you Look at where you guys have gotten

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Speaker 3: And you mentioned Steve saying you guys are right there

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Speaker 6: And have you in the spot you're in, man, You know,

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Speaker 6: you know, opportunity as a head coach, I think he's

438
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Speaker 6: done a tremendous job of just navigating the ups and turns,

439
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Speaker 6: ups and downs and twisted turns of an NFL season.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think, regardless, and we have.

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Speaker 6: No shortage of controversy on our side, I think that's

442
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Speaker 6: just the truth of it. And I think he's done

443
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Speaker 6: a great job, just you know, focus, keep keeping the

444
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Speaker 6: focus in the building on ball, keeping the focus in

445
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Speaker 6: the building on the next opponent in front of what

446
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Speaker 6: was in front of us. I think he's established an

447
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Speaker 6: incredible culture of accountability and competitiveness in the building. And

448
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Speaker 6: I think that's just you could feel that, you know,

449
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Speaker 6: from top to bottom. And I think that's why we're

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Speaker 6: at a position where we're in now, and I think

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Speaker 6: that's why we want to go where we're going.

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Speaker 4: Hey, real quick's are here One of our colleagues, Brian Balding,

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Speaker 4: I loves breaking down your film. Do you ever want

454
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Speaker 4: some of bald these breakdowns? And what do you think

455
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Speaker 4: about those?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Man, I've been watching Brian Baldi breakdown since I was

458
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Speaker 6: a kid. Philly legend, you know, obviously, you know, yeah, man,

459
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Speaker 6: I'm a huge fan of baal Dingier for sure. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 6: So I always used to watch his breakdowns. When I

461
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Speaker 6: finally got one, I told him, I said, I felt

462
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Speaker 6: like I made it. And then I got a couple

463
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Speaker 6: of them in a row, and I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: I must be playing I must be playing good ball

465
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Speaker 6: out here. Bald Diggers giving me a shout out, so

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Speaker 6: that shout out to party.

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Speaker 1: There we go. Awesome, Bald, just have to show every Thursday.

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Speaker 5: Every Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Hey man, look, we appreciate you and we look forward

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Speaker 4: to doing your thing.

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Speaker 5: Getting you back on here.

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Speaker 4: You got to mean JPS solitude, get us all the

473
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Speaker 4: trenches out here. Thanks so much, he said.

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Speaker 1: Of course, he said it. I wrote it down.

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Speaker 5: Let's do it.

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Speaker 6: Best of luck, Thank you, Ben, Appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 3: More to come on the NFL report, Zach Wilson officially bench.

478
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Speaker 3: What does it mean for the Jets organization? How about

479
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Speaker 3: GM Joe Douglas? What do they do about the decisions

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Speaker 3: they made with the number two former overall pick that

481
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Speaker 3: and much more specifically about the coordinator's future per that's

482
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Speaker 3: collateral damage. More on the NFL report coming up next.

483
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Speaker 3: What is Zach's future with this team?

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Speaker 1: We'll deal with it in the offseason, guess right now.

485
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Speaker 1: It's just it's really about Miami.

486
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Speaker 2: I stan strong in the belief that Zach's gonna have

487
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Speaker 2: a really good career in this league. He's got tremendous

488
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Speaker 2: work ethic, He's gotten a lot better with the course

489
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Speaker 2: of the last year.

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Speaker 1: He definitely has the arm talent.

491
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Speaker 2: He just needs. He's only twenty four. He just turned

492
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Speaker 2: twenty four, so he's got a positive outlook and and

493
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Speaker 2: he just needs to continue to focus on his game

494
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Speaker 2: and find ways to get better and continue to learn

495
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Speaker 2: about fronts and coverages and and how to play the

496
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Speaker 2: game a little bit faster and uh and so I

497
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Speaker 2: still believe he's going to have.

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Speaker 5: A good career.

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Speaker 4: Robert sala here on the NFL Report talking about Zach Wilson,

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Speaker 4: former number two pick who is now the number three

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Speaker 4: quarterback for the Jets and James. We're now joined by

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Speaker 4: Mark Ross, former executive with the Giants and Eagles, and

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Speaker 4: our own Judy Batista. And Judy I want to start

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Speaker 4: this with you because, well, Robert Salah, a GM Joe Douglas,

505
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Speaker 4: he judged more for missing on Zach Wilson or not

506
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Speaker 4: finding an ample backup this season when it was clear

507
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Speaker 4: Zach Wilson was kind of spinning the wheels of this offense.

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Speaker 7: I think there's going to be plenty of blame on

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Speaker 7: both subjects to go around.

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Speaker 8: Certainly immediately here in.

511
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Speaker 7: New York, I can tell you the conversation is about

512
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Speaker 7: why didn't they go get somebody right? Why is Josh

513
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Speaker 7: Dobbs was Josh Dobbs not a consideration, you know, And

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Speaker 7: that was a conversation literally from the minute Aaron Rodgers

515
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Speaker 7: went down in the in the opener or why wouldn't

516
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Speaker 7: they go get when you thought they were They had

517
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Speaker 7: gone into the season planning for Zack Wilson to at all.

518
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Speaker 7: So then when you're thrust into a situation where Zack

519
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Speaker 7: Wilson's going to have to play all the time, why

520
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Speaker 7: wouldn't you bring in a veteran? They opted not to,

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Speaker 7: you know, they said at the time that he was

522
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Speaker 7: the best equiped to carry them forward. It obviously did

523
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Speaker 7: not pan out. I think though, when we all step

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Speaker 7: back at the end of this season, you know, we're

525
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Speaker 7: going to look at how could they have missed so

526
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Speaker 7: badly on that draft pick? What were the circumstances that

527
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Speaker 7: were in place that allowed them to believe he was

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Speaker 7: the guy, and not just believe he was the guy,

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Speaker 7: but believe he was the guy and put him in

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Speaker 7: right away. I mean, that is a big piece of

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Speaker 7: the Zat Wilson's story is there was no development time

532
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Speaker 7: right like, he came in and he was the quarterback

533
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Speaker 7: and there was just no safety net and this year.

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Speaker 8: Aaron Rodgers was supposed to be the safety net, and

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Speaker 8: so when.

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Speaker 7: That fell apart immediately it was just set up for

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Speaker 7: for nothing to go right. I do think, I'll say this,

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Speaker 7: I think under normal circumstances, after a year like this,

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Speaker 7: you know, you would think maybe the head coach and

540
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Speaker 7: the general manager on the hot seat. I think as

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Speaker 7: soon as Aaron Rodgers got hurt in the opener, everybody

542
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Speaker 7: got a pass for this season.

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Speaker 9: Judy, I agree with you there. I think the missing

544
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Speaker 9: on the number two pick, to me is the biggest

545
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Speaker 9: problem with Joe Douglass there, Robert Salo. Look, when I

546
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Speaker 9: was with the Eagles back in nineteen ninety nine, we

547
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Speaker 9: had the number two pick. We had a bunch of options,

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Speaker 9: Achille Smith, Paide McNown Donvie, Colepepper. We took Donathan McNab.

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Speaker 9: We got it right. It changes the tire trajectory of

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Speaker 9: the Philadelphia Eagles organization at that time. So when you

551
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Speaker 9: have that number two pick, number one, whatever it is,

552
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Speaker 9: picking up there, and you have a bunch of potential

553
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Speaker 9: franchise quarterbacks, you have to get it right because if

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Speaker 9: you don't, then it sets in motion either positive things

555
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Speaker 9: or negative things for your organization. In terms of the Jets,

556
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Speaker 9: it's set in motion to a bunch of negative decisions

557
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Speaker 9: that kept impacting them, leading to the Aaron Rodgers going

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Speaker 9: all in on Aaron Rodgers. So when they did that,

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Speaker 9: I thought, okay, great, now you still got your number

560
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Speaker 9: two pick there, Zach Wilson to learn from this guy.

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Speaker 9: So I thought that actually was wise for them to

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Speaker 9: keep Zach around. They missed out them the first time around.

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Speaker 9: Here's a chance to really develop him and get him

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Speaker 9: right like they didn't do the first time around. And

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Speaker 9: then when Aaron Rodgers got hurt and things got thrown

566
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Speaker 9: in the motion, well, now what do you do? We

567
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Speaker 9: keep talking about Josh Dobbs as the savior of backup quarterbacks,

568
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Speaker 9: but he's a once in a generation type guy of

569
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Speaker 9: being prolific, and even teams passed Josh Dobbs around, So

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Speaker 9: it wasn't as if everybody knew Josh Dobbs is going

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Speaker 9: to be the Josh Dobbs. We see now once you

572
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Speaker 9: get to that backup quarterback and now you get to

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Speaker 9: the third guy, they're just aren't guys you're gonna pull

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Speaker 9: off the street and say, hey, come save our season.

575
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Speaker 9: So you know, once it gets to that point, there's

576
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Speaker 9: only so much you could do as an organization and

577
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Speaker 9: try to find a backup quarterback to save the season.

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Speaker 9: To me, it was all missing on Zach at two

579
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Speaker 9: when set in the motion all these other things which

580
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Speaker 9: leads the Jets gate once again, Judy, as you know,

581
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Speaker 9: to the misery up there in the meadow land.

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Speaker 3: And it's so interesting Mark with you saying that right,

583
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Speaker 3: and Judy touched on it as well. We are all

584
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Speaker 3: talking right now in this season that it was going

585
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Speaker 3: to be they wanted, and Judy mentioned this, Zach Wilson

586
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 3: to sit for two seasons. They kind of wanted something

587
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Speaker 3: to come out of it, hopefully like Gino Smith happened

588
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: right like that it would be some more time to

589
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Speaker 3: sit and develop. And that all stemmed from the way

590
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 3: the first season went as he was there, and then

591
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Speaker 3: they bring in Aaron Rodgers and they wanted him to

592
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Speaker 3: sit for another year. And what he gets thrown into

593
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Speaker 3: his lap is playing right away behind an offensive line

594
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Speaker 3: that I'm not sure, Judy how many combinations they ended

595
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Speaker 3: up playing out there in terms of an offensive line

596
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Speaker 3: in front of him. A thirty eight year old Dwayne

597
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Speaker 3: Brown just playing a couple of games, Yeah, exactly, and

598
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Speaker 3: a lot of different guys playing different snaps. And I

599
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: remember being in that locker room in Denver after they

600
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Speaker 3: beat the Broncos. There was some juice a little bit

601
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Speaker 3: there behind, going if we play great defense, we run

602
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Speaker 3: the ball. Well, we can manage this with Zach Wilson.

603
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Speaker 3: But obviously it makes that turn Steve, and it turns

604
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Speaker 3: into a spot to where now the analysis is completely

605
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Speaker 3: different than the way it was maybe five weeks ago.

606
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Speaker 3: And everybody wants Josh Dobbs on their team. There's also

607
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Speaker 3: want Josh Dobs to go around us. And I'm not

608
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Speaker 3: sure how many times we're going to say his name

609
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Speaker 3: in this NFL season, but it's way more than any

610
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Speaker 3: of us predicted.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I just wonder if they got too glammed up with

613
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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers presence, even though he wasn't playing. Say, we

614
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Speaker 4: can't prease somebody else in here. Aaron may not like it.

615
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Speaker 4: He's trying to come back. What does that do this

616
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Speaker 4: guy we bring in, Huh, you made a mistake, all.

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Speaker 5: Right, but let's move on real quick. Though.

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Speaker 4: You're talking about h and Mark. We were talking about

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Speaker 4: this Monday coordinators. Right, we're moving on to some of

620
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Speaker 4: these guys who came into situations this year, like an

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Speaker 4: Eric B Enemy who paid his dues, right, who is

622
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Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator Washington? Like at Jiro Evera the outstanding

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Speaker 4: defensive coordinators or the Carolina Panthers. But now they're head

624
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Speaker 4: coaches are in serious right, you don't know the footing

625
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Speaker 4: underneath them. How do they deal with and guys especially

626
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Speaker 4: in that situation knowing their fortunes could be gone because

627
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Speaker 4: they're head coach, not because if anything there did or

628
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Speaker 4: didn't do.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's as we talked about Monday a little bit,

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Speaker 9: you know for minority coaches mostly like you have to

631
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Speaker 9: take these positions. You see what's happening, you know the

632
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Speaker 9: negative aspects of it, you know the inherent risk, but

633
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Speaker 9: you have no other opportunities. And let's just talk about

634
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Speaker 9: Eric B. Enemy, who could have was in actually the

635
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 9: best position you could possibly be in the NFL, working

636
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Speaker 9: for the organization, the best quarterback of all time at

637
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Speaker 9: some point Hall of Fame, hey, coach stability, and then

638
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 9: you have to go into Washington, which had the exact

639
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 9: opposite and had the worst of all of these things.

640
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Speaker 9: But he had to do it, and it's unfortunate that

641
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Speaker 9: he had to be in that situation. And unfortunately minority

642
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 9: coaches have to take those positions and aren't just handed

643
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 9: positions or are able to to walk into positions. And

644
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 9: each cycle we say it's going to change, and each

645
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 9: cycle we say is going to get better, but it

646
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 9: does it. And to me, the great litmus test this

647
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 9: year will be you guys talked about the Eagles being

648
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 9: the best team in football right now. Last year the

649
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 9: Eagles went to the Super Bowl, their two coordinator, Shane

650
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Speaker 9: Stikeen at Jonathan Gadden walked into head coaching jobs. Where

651
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Speaker 9: they're talking about Jonathan Gannon's not even preparing for the

652
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Speaker 9: Super Bowl because he's getting ready for his interview. Will

653
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Speaker 9: this year if the Eagles best team in football go

654
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Speaker 9: win the Super Bowl? Does anyone think that Brian Johnson

655
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Speaker 9: their offensive coordinator, and Seawan do Decide their defensive coordinator,

656
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Speaker 9: both minorities are just going to go walk into head

657
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Speaker 9: coaching jobs.

658
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Speaker 1: Anyone think that?

659
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Speaker 5: Absolutely not?

660
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Speaker 9: So I'd love to hear you guys thoughts on that

661
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Speaker 9: because I'm thinking they're going to have to scuffle and

662
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Speaker 9: shuffle to beg for these sort of jobs and there's

663
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Speaker 9: not going to be teams handing them jobs like Stiking

664
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Speaker 9: and Gannon got handed last year.

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Speaker 3: That's a great point, Mark, that's a great point. I mean,

666
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Speaker 3: you know the way that the conversation, Judy would go right, Well,

667
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Speaker 3: this is the first year we've ever seen Brian Johnson

668
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Speaker 3: calling plays at the NFL level. You know who's else's

669
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Speaker 3: calling plays for the first time at the NFL level,

670
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Speaker 3: Bobby Slowick down in Houston, and his name has catapulted

671
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Speaker 3: up towards the top of the discussion after calling plays

672
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Speaker 3: just for a half of a season. Brian Johnson is doing.

673
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Speaker 3: And I do know Dave Canalis's name. You're right, Steve

674
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Speaker 3: is also one that's coming up. And there is a

675
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Speaker 3: lot of respect for Sean Decie and what he's doing

676
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Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, Judy, but you're right, it does seem like

677
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Speaker 3: it's a little bit more sluggish Mark in coming out

678
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Speaker 3: of that situation and some of these others. And to

679
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Speaker 3: spin this in a little bit of a sense, Judy,

680
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Speaker 3: I'm curious with what you know Mark is saying. And

681
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: defensive opportunities for head coaches, Jonathan Gannon gets one. We're

682
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Speaker 3: looking at a spot where Sean McDermott and Mike Tomlin

683
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Speaker 3: and Dan Campbell, those guys as defensive minded head coaches

684
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Speaker 3: with offensive now availability at the offense coordinator play caller spot.

685
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Speaker 3: And I mentioned Dank Hill because we all think Ben

686
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Speaker 3: Johnson is going to get head coach ma d Campbell's

687
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Speaker 3: camp cycle. I get it, but that is a coveted

688
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Speaker 3: spot in a sense. Yeah, So like I look at

689
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Speaker 3: these spots, Judy, what do you look at it from

690
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Speaker 3: a coordinator perspective and what could be available to you

691
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Speaker 3: even before we're starting this coaching cycle, not the head

692
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Speaker 3: coaching spots, but the coordinator spots that you could come available,

693
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Speaker 3: and some are available now.

694
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Speaker 7: Well, as Mark just said, you have to take these jobs, right,

695
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Speaker 7: I mean that was the Eric the Enemy situation to

696
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Speaker 7: a t. You have to take opportunity wherever it is,

697
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Speaker 7: even if it is not the ideal situation. You know,

698
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Speaker 7: I would say this, Minority coaches I think have been

699
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Speaker 7: boxed in, and especially especially now with such an emphasis

700
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Speaker 7: on it, there is going to be such a push

701
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Speaker 7: to get minority coaches on what people perceive as a track.

702
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Speaker 7: And so if there are minority coaches who have an

703
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Speaker 7: opportunity to be offensive coordinators, even if it is for

704
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Speaker 7: defensive minded head coaches. Right like, if you have a

705
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Speaker 7: chance to be the Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator, you have

706
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Speaker 7: to take it, even if you don't think it is

707
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Speaker 7: the ideal circumstance for you, even if you maybe don't

708
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 7: believe in Kenny Pickett or whatever the situation is. These

709
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 7: opportunities are few and far between. It's unfair. But Eric

710
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Speaker 7: the Enemy is a prime example of somebody who had

711
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Speaker 7: to take a I mean a much less than ideal

712
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Speaker 7: job and is now facing the possibility that everything in

713
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Speaker 7: that organization is going to get blown up at the

714
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Speaker 7: end of the season. It's new ownership. They are probably

715
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Speaker 7: going to hire a new head coach. And where does

716
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Speaker 7: that leave Eric the Enemy? This is the cycle that

717
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 7: minority coaches are stuck in and until they get unstuck,

718
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Speaker 7: and until.

719
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Speaker 8: There are owners who unstickman, that is.

720
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Speaker 7: Where we're going to be.

721
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Speaker 8: It is. It's bad and it's unfortunate.

722
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Speaker 5: Mark, Mark, let me hit you this.

723
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Speaker 4: This came out of the conversation shortly after Frank reichship

724
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Speaker 4: Thomas Brown of the offensive coordinative play calling duties. I

725
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 4: was speaking to a black assistant coach in the NFL.

726
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, this is second straight year Frank

727
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,760
Speaker 4: Reich has done something like this. Remember he fired margaus Brady,

728
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Speaker 4: he's OC in Indianapolis, to which the answer was, well,

729
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: at least he hired two black coordinators to fire and

730
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Speaker 4: take the play calls from.

731
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Speaker 5: What about that paradox? Looking at it like that, It's

732
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Speaker 5: like the old Michael X quote.

733
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Speaker 9: If you got the knife, stuggle out back nine inches,

734
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Speaker 9: you pull it out five it's still in my back.

735
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Speaker 5: You didn't take the knife wall the way out.

736
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Speaker 9: But that's that's unfortunately, and again we get we could

737
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Speaker 9: go on all day about this, and we have, and

738
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Speaker 9: we talk about it every year, and the league office

739
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Speaker 9: has tried to do a great job with it. There's

740
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Speaker 9: been a lot of lips that has done with it,

741
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Speaker 9: but just the fact in the essence that all of

742
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 9: these programs have to be put in place to give

743
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 9: a not even in fair shot, just one in ten

744
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Speaker 9: shot or a quarter of a shot that their white

745
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 9: counterparts get. And that's the unfortunate the aspect of it.

746
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 9: And really, again that's why I keep talking about his

747
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 9: Eagles situation because I guarantee you if you didn't know

748
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 9: anything about what showing decided Ryan Johnson looked like, and

749
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 9: you just saw what's going on there and know what

750
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Speaker 9: happened from last.

751
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Speaker 3: Year, you'd say, yeah, this should be the same thing once.

752
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Speaker 1: Again, but it won't be.

753
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Speaker 9: And the only factor is the race there. And the

754
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 9: same with Eric Bienemy, where it was excuse after excuse

755
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 9: after excuse that would never add it up, but they

756
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 9: just kept getting thrown at Eric and other minority coaches.

757
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 9: It's the Halo effect versus the Hornes effect, where Okay,

758
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 9: you look at all the positives with one guy, if

759
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 9: you're talking about slowing there with Houston, you just look

760
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 9: all the positives with him. But if there's someone else

761
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Speaker 9: with bron let's just say Brian Johnson, just using him

762
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Speaker 9: as an example, then you look at, well, he didn't

763
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Speaker 9: do this, he didn't do that. They never get the

764
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Speaker 9: benefit of the doubt. And it's always with white coaches

765
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Speaker 9: where it's the positive of aspects that get talked about.

766
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Speaker 9: We'll talk about the negatives, but with the black minority coaches,

767
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 9: it well, they don't do this, they don't do that,

768
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Speaker 9: and we've heard that every single cycle. It has to

769
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Speaker 9: stop at some point hopefully this one this time it will.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think Raheem Morris could add a little something to

772
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Speaker 4: that conversation as well. Hey, this is really good and

773
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Speaker 4: we're going to continue conversations like this here on the

774
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Speaker 4: NFL Report as a continue to get towards the end

775
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Speaker 4: of the season, even the postseason. Judy and Mark, thank

776
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Speaker 4: you so much. Really good stuff, great stuff. JP really

777
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Speaker 4: appreciate that type of conversation.

778
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Speaker 5: Well, coming up next, it.

779
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Speaker 4: Is a tradition like the other on Thanksgiving, and that

780
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Speaker 4: is the Cowboys. Dak Prescott, he's playing like an MVP.

781
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 5: We have our Gene Slater talk about.

782
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 4: Dak and the Cowboys come back on the NFL Report.

783
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Speaker 10: There's no place that I would rather be on Thanksgiving

784
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 10: than right here, right now at the football game. There's

785
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 10: just certain things that go together, you know, the turkey,

786
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 10: the family, the tradition, football.

787
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Speaker 1: And we have it all today. Sorry thanks Giving, every line.

788
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Speaker 4: Check out the lineup with three games coming your way,

789
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 4: all on Thanksgiving as part of the John Madden Thanksgiving Celebration,

790
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: starting with the Packers Lions at twelve thirty Eastern.

791
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Speaker 5: Then at four thirty Eastern, it's.

792
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Speaker 4: Commanders Cowboys capped off with the forty nine Ers versus

793
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Speaker 4: the Seahawks.

794
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Speaker 1: Well, we know who we.

795
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Speaker 3: See Steve every Thanksgiving on NFL Network. It's that smiling

796
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: face right between us and Jane Slater. She is on

797
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: each and every Thanksgiving with the Cowboys on NFL Network.

798
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Speaker 3: And Thursday will be no different chain as you got

799
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Speaker 3: if you got the Cowboys and the Commanders and I

800
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 3: covered the Cowboys last week. We chatted a lot about

801
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: it and what we saw from Tony Pollard and company

802
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 3: is another game where both teams not great against the run,

803
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 3: and the Giants and the Panthers, but we saw them

804
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: run the football well now for two consecutive weeks. What

805
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: are we going to see moving forward? Are we going

806
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: to see them commit to the run? Because that's I

807
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: think what everybody's curious about, that term sticking with the run.

808
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Speaker 11: Well, James, maybe Tony Pollard needs you to travel to

809
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 11: Dallas for this one because you're a bit of good

810
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Speaker 11: luck for him.

811
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Speaker 8: This is how big that get of nice.

812
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Speaker 11: He had two rushing touchdowns against the Giants in Week one,

813
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Speaker 11: and then after we've been talking about where is this

814
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 11: rushing attack, He's averaging a career low four yards per Carrie.

815
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Speaker 11: But in that one he had sixty one at rushing

816
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Speaker 11: yards and he had the rushing touchdown. In fact, if

817
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Speaker 11: you go back to Week three, it was a loss,

818
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 11: but he saw seventy plus yards there. We haven't seen

819
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Speaker 11: that since then, so it's sort of been in a

820
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Speaker 11: nebic run game.

821
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Speaker 8: Now.

822
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Speaker 11: Some of that has been some of the issues along

823
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 11: the offensive line. The other is the fact that this

824
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 11: passing game has really gotten going. I mean, we've talked

825
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 11: about Ceedee Lambs numbers this year at an elite level,

826
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Speaker 11: but it was a couple of weeks ago that Ceedee

827
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Speaker 11: Lamb and I had talked about some of his frustrations

828
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Speaker 11: about not being able to get the ball. Well, he

829
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 11: started getting the ball and I talked to Tony Pollard

830
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Speaker 11: about that. I said, dude, you want to get your

831
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Speaker 11: game going, and he said, I'm confident it's going to happen.

832
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Speaker 8: Well, it finally happened for him.

833
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Speaker 11: And then when I brought that back up to Ceede

834
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Speaker 11: Lamb yesterday, he said he loves seeing that happen for him.

835
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Speaker 11: You know, look, these guys have been confident. They know

836
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Speaker 11: that their time is coming. We've seen that with Brandon Cooks.

837
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 3: This year.

838
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Speaker 8: But for Tony Pollard and Ceedee Lamb.

839
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Speaker 11: Ceede said, they sit next to each other, they watch

840
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 11: film together on the road, and they've internally talked about

841
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 11: this desire to get this rushing game going because look,

842
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 11: as they get deeper into the season, guys, and you

843
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 11: know this, if they find themselves in the playoffs, which

844
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 11: is looking like hopefully it's a fifth seed or a

845
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 11: wild card for them, because it doesn't look like they're

846
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Speaker 11: gaining anything on the Eagles, they're gonna need to marry

847
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Speaker 11: that passing game with a run attack. I think, if anything,

848
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Speaker 11: this gave him a little bit of confidence. And look,

849
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Speaker 11: the pass rush for the Commanders was really strong against

850
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Speaker 11: the Giants last week. Maybe that's why we see a

851
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Speaker 11: little bit more of that running attack at home for

852
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Speaker 11: the Cowboys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jane.

854
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Speaker 4: And also, when you open up a passing game, what

855
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Speaker 4: does that do? It gives you a lighter box for

856
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 4: the run game. The Cowboys are finally taking advantage of that. Well,

857
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Speaker 4: let's slip it over to the Commanders because we see

858
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Speaker 4: once again they're getting.

859
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Speaker 5: A little bit wayward. I know you spoke to some

860
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Speaker 5: folks with the team this week.

861
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Speaker 4: What is kind of their focus to at least keep

862
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Speaker 4: the ship afloat instead of making it sink.

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Speaker 11: I think it's each other is the reason why they're

864
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 11: still playing hard. I mean, Sam caused me a John Dotson,

865
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Speaker 11: both players I spoke with ahead of this game on Thursday,

866
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Speaker 11: and I said, what do you play for at this

867
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Speaker 11: point four and seven?

868
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Speaker 8: I know it's been a frustrating year.

869
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Speaker 11: You've traded away some of your best defensive players, which essentially,

870
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Speaker 11: as you guys know, sort of tells you that this

871
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 11: team knows that this isn't it, that this isn't their year.

872
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 11: We did still see this team step up defensively, albeit

873
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 11: against the Giants last week. Frustrating that they lost that

874
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 11: one when you consider they had nine sacks in that game,

875
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 11: five in the.

876
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 8: First quarter alone.

877
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 11: But Cosby just said, look, the frustrating part is if

878
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 11: you look back to that game they played with Sam Hell.

879
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 11: I think that was Sam How's first start last year

880
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 11: against the Cowboys. Cowboys were favored to win that one,

881
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 11: they went on the road. I remember this game very vividly,

882
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 11: and then the Commanders ended up pulling out a win.

883
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 11: And I said, when did you learn from that? They said, well,

884
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 11: the Cowboys committed a lot.

885
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 8: Of turnovers in that one. They weren't able to move

886
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 8: the ball down filled.

887
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 11: They think they've been shooting themselves in the foot a

888
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 11: lot this season, but they said that was an example

889
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 11: for them of how they can play a complete game.

890
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 8: I think, what's really hard when you start looking at

891
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 8: this team.

892
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 11: I had to get our research department to double check

893
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 11: this for me when I went look to the stats.

894
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 11: They see Sam Hall as a bright spot for this team,

895
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 11: big arm. He's learning on the job. They think he's

896
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 11: getting better. But it's so hard to be better guys

897
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 11: when you are getting sacked fifty one time.

898
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 5: Still in the complicates things.

899
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 11: The only guy that understands is probably any better than

900
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 11: Sam how I can only the amount of epsence salt

901
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 11: he has at his house.

902
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 8: David Carr.

903
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 11: Back in two thousand and five, he was sacked sixty

904
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 11: eight ties, but this season he's got thirteen more sacks

905
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Speaker 11: than the other team. Two thousand and two was the

906
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 11: year for David Carr with those sixty eight sacks, which

907
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 11: is just incredible to me. But if that just gives

908
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 11: you a sense of some of the struggle, yeah, you'd

909
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 11: love to see what you're getting from your quarterback. Hard

910
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 11: to see it when every time he draws back he's

911
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 11: getting pancaked.

912
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 5: Well said, Well said.

913
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we can call up David and ask him

914
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 3: what that season was like.

915
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 4: Steve, real quick, real quick, Jay, you got ten seconds?

916
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 4: Will you be jumping in the Salvation army bucket again?

917
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 5: Oh?

918
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 8: I did that one year and you know.

919
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 11: What I know after doing that once, Steven James, it

920
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 11: makes you really impressed with the athleticism of Zeke.

921
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 8: I know a lot of people have knocked him in

922
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 8: recent years.

923
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 11: He doesn't look at athletic or spry, but it is

924
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 11: very hard to That thing is deep. It's I'm five

925
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 11: to six, it probably comes up to about five feet,

926
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 11: so you have to leap into that sucker.

927
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 8: I'm getting older, boys. I don't know if I can

928
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 8: do that this year.

929
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 5: Jane, Thank you so much and how fun appreciated. Joy, thanksppreciated, Jane.

930
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: I will say I will say this, Sam Howe might

931
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: jump inside that Salvation army box just as you avoid MICHAEH.

932
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: Parsons if he can.

933
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 3: You know who's also playing tremendus football. We mentioned Dak

934
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: Prescott down there in the Great State of Texas. How

935
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 3: about c J. Stroud also playing phenomenal football. Remember this

936
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 3: is another monster divisional matchup between the Jaguars and the Texans.

937
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: The Texas took the first one in Week three, thirty

938
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 3: seven to seventeen. Steve and we know who the man

939
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 3: is going to be on the sideline of this one.

940
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 3: It's going to be Cameron Wolf, the guy who knows

941
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 3: both of these teams inside. Now we know he lives

942
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: down there in Florida, but he also is a Houston Cougar.

943
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 3: Steve right, so he knows a thing or two about

944
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 3: the Houston Texans down there.

945
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: Cam and I talk about that team regularly. Kim.

946
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: What I'm curious about is I mentioned you being a

947
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 3: Houston Cougar. That's where Tank Dell was just tearing things

948
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 3: up with at the collegiate level. What is so special

949
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: about this connection between Tank Dell and CJ. Stroud that

950
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: has taken the league by Storehm in his sense, Yeah,

951
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 3: JP has started back in draft season. You know this

952
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 3: is a guy Tank Dell who got knocked for his size,

953
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 3: fell to the third round of the draft.

954
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 5: CJ.

955
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 12: Stroud gets drafted second overall. Tank Dell facetimeed CJ. Sake

956
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 12: tell him to come get me. And CJ tells the

957
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 12: front offices first request as a franchise quarterback, go get Tank.

958
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 5: And boy was he right.

959
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 12: Tank Dell is on pace to break the Texans rookie

960
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 12: receiving record that was held by Andre Johnson. That's how

961
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 12: good his season has spinned. If yes, absolutely, he has

962
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 12: been incredible. His speed has been remarkable for CJ. CJ

963
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 12: loves to throw that deep bomb, and you just watch

964
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 12: Tank in the creative routes he runs. He is always

965
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 12: in the right spot for CJ. And so it's been

966
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 12: the best rookie connection in the league so far. And

967
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 12: it really sparked Week three. Their first big game was

968
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 12: when they played this Jaguars team. They beat him deep.

969
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 12: They beat Arius Williams of Jaguars corner a couple of

970
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 12: times for those deep bombs. And that's all you need

971
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 12: to build that confidence for that connection. And I expect

972
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Speaker 12: them to try a plenty.

973
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 4: On Sunday, Thank Dell five catches for one hundred and

974
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 4: forty five yards and a touchdown. And that game against Jacksonville, Yeah,

975
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 4: let's slip it over to the Jags. I mean, this

976
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 4: is a huge game for them, right They're leading the Division.

977
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 4: But if Houston wins, now they've got the sweep of

978
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 4: the Jags, you're getting into some tie breakers scenarios right here.

979
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 4: When we look at the Jags against an opponent like this,

980
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 4: they sensed success and that was the big question is

981
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 4: could they handle it?

982
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 5: What are people talking about.

983
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 4: And saying, don't get comfortable down this stretch or something

984
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 4: in terms like that for the people you spoke.

985
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 5: With leading it to this game.

986
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 12: Yeah, the big question for the Jaguars is figuring out

987
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 12: how to get their offense right because surprisingly, over the

988
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 12: first half of the season, it's been their defense that

989
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 12: leads the NFL and takeaways that's been really carrying this team,

990
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 12: and so they're trying to figure that out. This past

991
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 12: week against the Titans was probably their best offensiveday in

992
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 12: a while. Trevor Lawrence had four touchdowns, two on the ground.

993
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 12: And Yeah, the Texans are a team they can't hold

994
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 12: lightly because honestly, they haven't beat the Texans. They've lost

995
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 12: five out of their last six games against the Texans.

996
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 12: So this is a team that's had their number and

997
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 12: so I don't think they'll look at this team with

998
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 12: anything other than this is a team in the way

999
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 12: of us winning another AFC SITH title. One thing I

1000
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 12: want to key on Stephen James is Calvin Ridley's presence

1001
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 12: in this offense this year. He hasn't had the impact

1002
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 12: that I think a lot of people did. He's had

1003
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 12: some down games and one thing when you look into

1004
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 12: the numbers you notice is that he is second in

1005
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 12: the NFL in facing press coverage. Teams have figured out

1006
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 12: they want to be physical with them, disrupt off the

1007
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 12: line of scrimmage, and they think that it'll interrupt his game,

1008
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 12: and so far they've been right. The Texans wire one

1009
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 12: of the first teams to do this, and their Week

1010
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 12: three battle got really physical with them and Calvin really

1011
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 12: did not have a good day. He dropped two passes,

1012
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 12: he slipped on the route, and the Jaguars offense was

1013
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 12: all out of sorts. This PAC leek against the Titans,

1014
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 12: the offensive coordinator press Taylor move Ridly around a little

1015
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 12: bit more got him away from press coverage. He had

1016
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 12: a huge day over one hundred yards and two touchdowns.

1017
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 12: Very eager to see how the Jaguars Texans matchup goes on.

1018
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 12: With those two battles, Texans should have Derek Stingley for

1019
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 12: this battle, which they didn't a week three.

1020
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 3: That's a big point, Cam, that's a big point. In

1021
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 3: about thirty seconds we got to run. I'm just really quick.

1022
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 3: Are the Jags concerned about the turnover issues with Trevor

1023
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 3: Lawrence this year? Absolutely.

1024
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 12: I think one thing you'll see is when they didn't

1025
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 12: have his mobility after that knee injury early in the season,

1026
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 12: I think they felt like teams were taking advantage of

1027
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 12: their offensive line, which has been suspect, and you saw

1028
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 12: Trevor be a little bit impatient in that pocket, not

1029
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 12: really having the time clock, and so their hope is

1030
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 12: they can move the pocket like they did last week

1031
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 12: and minimize some of those turnovers. But yes, it was

1032
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 12: certainly a big talking point into a bye week of

1033
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 12: we've got to figure out a way not to kick

1034
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 12: ourselves and our own shin and so I do think

1035
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 12: you'll see Trevor on the edges more. Demiko Ryan said,

1036
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 12: that's where he's the most dangerous. Try to avoid those turnovers.

1037
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: Love it, man, Cam, I'm jealous of you. I wanted

1038
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: this game, Gas so good.

1039
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 5: The game of the week. It might be the game

1040
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 5: of the week.

1041
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: Kay's good. It might be the game week.

1042
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: You're right, game up the game week, man, have a

1043
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: good holiday. Tell the family we said hello, happy thing

1044
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 3: he's giving you up.

1045
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: All right, everything's heving, buddy, all right.

1046
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,959
Speaker 3: Coming up to sticking with that Thanksgiving theme, as Steve

1047
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 3: and I wrap this up, what is one thing that

1048
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: a team, or a player or a coach might be

1049
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 3: thankful for when the end of the season rolls around.

1050
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: Steve's got one. I got one that coming up next

1051
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: on the NFL Report.

1052
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 3: Let's close out the NFL Report so Steve Watch can

1053
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 3: get to his dressing and turkey and all of his fixings,

1054
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 3: because I know he loves this holiday. Steve, Let's close

1055
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 3: this out with what is something a team or a

1056
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 3: player a coach might be thankful for at the end

1057
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: of the year for what happened during the year. I'm

1058
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: gonna go with the San Francisco forty nine ers at

1059
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 3: the end of the season are going to be thankful

1060
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 3: for the three game losing streak that got them kicked

1061
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 3: in the button a sense, and they restarted their season

1062
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 3: and now are playing with a vengeance at the most

1063
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 3: important time of the season.

1064
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 4: Look be thankful for unless they don't get home field advantage.

1065
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 4: The Philadelphia Eagles are gonna be thankful that they made

1066
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 4: the trade for Kevin Bayard. As we saw Monday night,

1067
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 4: he got his first pick with the team, and he

1068
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 4: can cover tight ends. And if you look at teams

1069
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 4: like the Niners in the Lions, they got good tight ends.

1070
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 4: Happy Thanksgiving everybody, JP, Jeff Kollett, and all of our

1071
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 4: crew behind the scenes.

1072
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 5: Happy Thanksgiving from the NFL Board.