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Speaker 1: Welcome. It is Verdic with Center, Ted Kruz, Ben Ferguson

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Speaker 1: with you. It's nice to have you with us on

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Speaker 1: this Memorial Day. And Senator, we're going to do a

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Speaker 1: special show today. We are going to play an interview

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Speaker 1: that we did recently with Tom Homan which really went

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Speaker 1: viral and if you missed it, it was an important

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Speaker 1: one about border security. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: I do want to take a moment and for us

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Speaker 1: to just say thank you to everyone that's ever served

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Speaker 1: this country and to those who have given the ultimate sacrifice,

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Speaker 1: and families that are listening right now, Memorial Day for

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Speaker 1: them is a very somber day.

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Speaker 2: Well it is in a Memorial Day.

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Speaker 3: We want to take a moment to reflect and think

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Speaker 3: back and say thank you to every soldier, every sailor,

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Speaker 3: every airman, em or marine, every coastguardsman, every guardian who

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Speaker 3: gave their lives for our nation. You know, Memorial Day

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Speaker 3: is a very different holiday from Veterans Day. Veterans Day

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Speaker 3: we say thank you to our active duty military. We

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Speaker 3: say thank you to those who have served, and we

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Speaker 3: should do that today and every other day, but Memorial

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Speaker 3: Days set aside for those who gave the last full

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Speaker 3: measure of demotion, the the ultimate sacrifice, those who stepped

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Speaker 3: every breath we breathe as free Americans is because men

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Speaker 3: and women have answered the call. They've answered the call.

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Speaker 3: Going back to the Revolutionary War, to the War of

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Speaker 3: women for two hundred and fifty years stepping forward and

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Speaker 3: saying America is worth fighting for, and I'm willing to

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Speaker 3: die for America. And far too many of them have

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Speaker 3: had to give that final sacrifice. And so I want

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Speaker 3: to say I want to give a special shout out

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Speaker 3: to gold Star families. If you're a mom or dad,

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Speaker 3: if you are a wife or husband, if you are

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Speaker 3: a son or daughter of a service man or woman

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Speaker 3: who gave their lives, let me just say thank you,

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Speaker 3: We appreciate you, and let me tell you your loved

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Speaker 3: one is not forgotten. The sacrifice that your loved one

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Speaker 3: is given. We are grateful and we know our freedom

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Speaker 3: is because of that sacrifice. Look Memorial Day is a

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Speaker 3: great time. I hope you spend time with your kids,

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Speaker 3: with your spouse. I hope you play in the backyard.

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Speaker 3: I hope you grill, although I do hope when you grill,

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Speaker 3: you do a better job of grilling burgers than Chuck

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Speaker 3: Schumer does. So do not put the cheese on raw burgers.

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Speaker 3: That that is a sign been to that a messed

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Speaker 3: up New Yorker who's never actually had a barbecue in

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Speaker 3: his life. But for anyone that actually lives on planet Earth,

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Speaker 3: have a great backyard barbecue, play with your kids, swim

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Speaker 4: Laugh.

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Speaker 3: But take a moment and let me encourage you. For

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Speaker 3: all the parents out there, take a moment to talk

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Speaker 3: Memorial Day is the beginning of summer. Maybe school is over,

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Speaker 3: finals are over, now you just get to play, But

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Speaker 3: this is a day.

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Speaker 2: There are kids your age.

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Speaker 3: Today who are not playing with their dad, who are

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Speaker 3: not hugging their mom because they gave everything for this

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Speaker 3: just say we love you and we are grateful.

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Speaker 1: Aim into that. And I couldn't agree with you more.

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Speaker 1: There's so many people today that it is a tough day.

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Speaker 1: It's a day that they're going to have to they

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Speaker 1: you said, explain it to your kids and your grandkids,

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Speaker 1: say you know it truly what this day is about.

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Speaker 1: And also enjoy your family. There's no doubt about that, Senator.

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Speaker 1: We also decided on this holiday that there was a

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Speaker 1: really important interview that we had just done recently with

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Tom Homan is doing a great job and President

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Speaker 3: mandate from this last election. The chaos, the open borders

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Speaker 3: the magnitude, the speed, the scope of it defies any

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Speaker 3: reasonable expectation. And so this discussion with Tom Homan, many

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Speaker 3: why this podcast is important, because we can get information

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Speaker 3: also share it with your friends, your family, make sure

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so, without further ado, here is that conversation we

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Speaker 1: have with the borders. Are Tom Homan, and Happy Memorial

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Speaker 1: Day to everyone. God bless all you that serve this

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Speaker 1: you today.

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Speaker 5: As well.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: Tom Homan is serving as President Trump's Borders are. He

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Speaker 3: Trump resumed office as president. His formal title, which I like,

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Speaker 3: is what White House Executive Associate Director of Enforcement and

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Speaker 3: Removal Operations. And to be clear, his job is to

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Speaker 3: secure the border, keep US safe, and remove dangerous illegal aliens.

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Speaker 2: He's doing a hell of a job. Tom, Welcome to Verdict.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: So let's start with just how are we doing. We're

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Speaker 3: four months in, almost five months into the Trump presidency.

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Speaker 3: How are we doing? Tell us what has happened since

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Speaker 3: President Trump became president again?

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Speaker 2: On the border?

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Speaker 4: Well, President Trump today, I'm talking to today Santa Cruz.

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Speaker 4: We have the most secure border in the history of

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Speaker 4: we even beat Trump forty five. Well, we hand the

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Speaker 4: Biden administration most secure boarder ever ahead of that time. Well,

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Speaker 4: the data is even better now. And let me give

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Speaker 4: you a few numbers, just a few numbers. Under Biden administration,

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Speaker 4: we were dealing with ten eleven thousand, even a few times,

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Speaker 2: And that's across the entire southwest border.

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Speaker 4: Yes, gotaways under Biden an average gtaway day and under

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Speaker 4: the gataways yesterday? Thirty nine Wow. And then the most

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Speaker 4: impressive number the first one hundred days on President Trump

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Speaker 4: year under Biden. Biden released over one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 4: four thousand illegal animates in this country. The Trump administration

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Speaker 4: one there was nine releases, but for more material witnesses.

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Speaker 4: Four came across the border in such bad shape that

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Speaker 4: release compared to one hundred and eighty four or a

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Speaker 4: Most Secure Border Historistination INTERI Enforcement Offerings ICE's arrested three

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Speaker 4: We got more to rest, we got many more to rest.

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Speaker 4: But they're already hitting the ball out of park and

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Speaker 4: we're gonna keep doing it. We need to do more

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Speaker 4: here so we can step up efforts there. But it's

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Speaker 4: it's game changing. President Trump's been a game changer, and

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Speaker 4: men and women, vice and men women border stood up,

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Speaker 4: tooking on the task and cousinent Trump did in seven weeks,

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Speaker 4: but Joe Biden couldn't or wouldn't do in four years.

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Speaker 3: My favorite line from from President Trump's most recent State

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden stood here a year ago and said that

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Speaker 3: And then Trump said, it turns out we didn't need

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Speaker 3: that's powerfully true. So let me ask just just a

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Speaker 3: simple question for those Look, you're you're an immigr expert,

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Speaker 4: The biggest thing we've done is a president's executive orders

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Speaker 4: that were a game changer, remain in Mexico a game changer.

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Speaker 4: Those three things by themselves have been a major game changer,

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Speaker 4: and all three of them were executive orders by President Trump's.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned budget a moment ago and how important it

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Speaker 1: is to have the budget for you guys to continue

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Speaker 1: your job.

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Speaker 5: Explain for everyone listening.

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Speaker 1: Is that referencing the big beautiful bill and what is

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Speaker 1: in there that you need so much to continue to

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Speaker 1: do your job at the border.

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Speaker 4: Well, we want to make the border secure permanently, so

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Speaker 4: we need more infrastructure, right, so we need to finish

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Speaker 4: building that wall. Now, let's be clear. Every place they

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Speaker 4: flow went down. But most important, walls save lives. Women

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Speaker 4: So we need to finish the border barrier. We need

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Speaker 4: money to finish the technology within the existing border wall,

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Speaker 4: because not only did President buy and stop the construction

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Speaker 4: smart wall. Technology that let's just know when someone climbs

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Speaker 4: Technology where borbitual agents in the middle of nowhere can

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Speaker 4: So all that technology needs to be done. More technology,

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Speaker 4: And as far as the entire enforcement, we need beds.

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Speaker 4: Right now, we got about fifty two thousand people in detention.

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Speaker 3: Repeat the numbers you said about how many illegals are

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Speaker 4: Just under seven hundred thousand.

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Speaker 4: That's why I woke up every four years pissed off

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Speaker 4: And let me go one step further. Of Trump asked

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Speaker 1: Tom, you mentioned finding them all. Let's talk about sanctuary

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Speaker 1: in society. How dangerous are these cities?

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Speaker 4: You know, they're the dangerous, the dangerous for everybody because

437
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Speaker 4: in the sanctuary city means I don't have access to

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Speaker 4: the jail, arrest a bad guy public safety threat in

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Speaker 4: the safety and security of the jail, where the alien safe,

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Speaker 4: the officers safe, on the public safe. When sanctuary cities

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Speaker 4: knowingly released a public safety a threat back in the street,

442
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Speaker 4: it certainly puts the community at risk. It even puts

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Speaker 4: the alien at risk because anything can happen during the

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Speaker 4: street arrest, and great it puts the officers that great

445
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Speaker 4: risk because now we've got to arrest a criminal alien

446
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Speaker 4: public safety threat on his turf, we as access to

447
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Speaker 4: who knows what weapons. It's very dangerous and natural host

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Speaker 4: sanctuary cities accountable. Fan Bindy has already fought lawsuits against

449
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Speaker 4: several were we're working with DJ now again. We want

450
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Speaker 4: we want where's that right? Where's that where's that line?

451
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Speaker 4: When do you cross that line? You can sit there

452
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Speaker 4: and watch ICE do your job. Because here's what irritates

453
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Speaker 4: me the most. I don't care what party you're in.

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Speaker 4: If you're an elected mayor, elect, a city council person,

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Speaker 4: or elected governor, your number one responsibility it's the safety

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Speaker 4: and security of your neighborhoods, your communities. ICE has been

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Speaker 4: clear from the beginning with President Trump, we're going to

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Speaker 4: prioritize public safety threats and national security threats. Why will

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Speaker 4: you not help us make your community safer? There's no

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Speaker 4: downside on that. And the sanctuary city is want to

461
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Speaker 4: argue what we're a sanctuary city because we want victims

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Speaker 4: and witnesses of crime, if they're illegally United States, to

463
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Speaker 4: feel comfortable coming to the law enforcement without fear of

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Speaker 4: work with ICE. That is a bunch of crap. Victims

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Speaker 4: and witnesses of crime don't want the bad guy in

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Speaker 4: the neighborhood either. And as far as the illegal alien community.

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Speaker 4: I'll say this, despite being here illegally, many of them

468
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Speaker 4: are god fearing family people. They don't want a prester

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Speaker 4: in they neighborhood either. They don't want someone convict to

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Speaker 4: duy ten times driving to their neighborhood either. So you know,

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Speaker 4: if you go to the immigrant community and ask one

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Speaker 4: simple question, would you rather have ICE operating in the

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Speaker 4: jail or in your community? What do you think they're

474
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Speaker 4: going to say. They're gonna say to jail, so sanctuousities

475
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Speaker 4: will be held accountable. Matter of fact, we're reissuing the

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Speaker 4: ICE detainer. We just changed the new ICE detainer. We're

477
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Speaker 4: letting them black and white. Let them know this person

478
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Speaker 4: is a designated terrorist, this person is a designated return felin.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna let them know exactly who do detaining based

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Speaker 4: on biographic and biometric information and see what they do.

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Speaker 4: Are they gonna violate relations and Riley Act, Then we'll

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Speaker 4: go out to prosecution. Now they're going to know at

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Speaker 4: least a terrorist. Then we're going to go out to prosecution.

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Speaker 4: So it's about to get a lot tougher and it's

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Speaker 4: the right thing to do.

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Speaker 2: Well, and let me ask you how worried.

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Speaker 3: Are you that they're a rist who came across the

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Speaker 3: southern border in the last four years, that are out

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Speaker 3: there and that are planning acts of terror in the

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Speaker 3: United States right now?

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Speaker 4: I'm convinced we got over two million known godeways. Why

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Speaker 4: did two million people pay more to get away? They

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Speaker 4: pay the cartels a lot more money to escape apprehension

494
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Speaker 4: and get to New York's Chicago. Whoever, why didn't they

495
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Speaker 4: pay less? Why would you pay more to get away

496
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Speaker 4: because you don't want to be vetted, you don't want

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Speaker 4: a two bing or printed. It's just scared to hell off.

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Speaker 4: Every American scares as hell on me. Somebody's going to be,

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Speaker 4: you know, child traffickers. Some of these are Karen Fatina,

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Speaker 4: and some of these are going to be people from

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Speaker 4: a terrort sponsored country. Under Joe Biden, we wrest over

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Speaker 4: four hundred people on terrass wass's come in the Southwest border.

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Speaker 4: If you don't think a single one of the two

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Speaker 4: man gudaways didn't come from a country sponsoring terror, didn't

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Speaker 4: come here to do us harm, then you're just crazy.

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Speaker 4: As you know it was what was it? Just not

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Speaker 4: a few months ago we arrested eight that were planting

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Speaker 4: a terrorist tack, a Russian type terrorist tack in the

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Speaker 4: United States. Luckily, he tell us, the community call him

510
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Speaker 4: on some chair and we are able to arrest them.

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Speaker 4: But we're not perfect an intelligence community. It's imperfect. They

512
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Speaker 4: weren't perfect in Afghanistan. They weren't perfect on a lot

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Speaker 4: of things. So God help us. I think they're here,

514
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Speaker 4: just intelligent port stander here. We know where some aren't

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Speaker 4: being monitored, but we don't know where others are. So

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Speaker 4: that scares the hell on me.

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Speaker 3: Well, and as you know, Chris Ray, the former director

518
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Speaker 3: of the FBI, every few months would come to Congress

519
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Speaker 3: and he would do everything but set off an alarm

520
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Speaker 3: and bang a drum to say, we are at major

521
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Speaker 3: risk of a terrorist attack from the open borders. Hamas

522
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Speaker 3: and Hesbelah have declared jahads on America. As you know,

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Speaker 3: the border patrol under Joe Biden was advised beyond on

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Speaker 3: the lookout for Hamas has Bla and Palestinian Islamic Jehad

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Speaker 3: terrorists coming across the southern border. And one of the things,

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Speaker 3: Tommy you said that was really important. Of the twelve

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Speaker 3: million illegal immigrants that came under Joe Biden. Roughly two

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Speaker 3: million of those were god aways. That's by far the

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Speaker 3: most troubling of all those folks. The other ten million

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Speaker 3: are people were apprehended, and apprehended in many instances is

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Speaker 3: the wrong term, because as you know, and I've spent

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Speaker 3: a lot of time down on the southern border, I

533
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Speaker 3: almost always go out on midnight patrol with the border

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Speaker 3: patrol agents when I'm there. Apprehended doesn't even characterize what

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Speaker 3: they were doing. Most nights, people would cross the border

536
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Speaker 3: and they'd go look for a border patrol agent and

537
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Speaker 3: actively turn themselves in because the result would be that

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden would say where do you want to go?

539
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Speaker 3: And would fly them to wherever they wanted to be. Literally,

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Speaker 3: the Biden administration was the last mile of the human

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Speaker 3: trafficking network. But Tom, what you said is exactly right.

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Speaker 3: Those two million guidaways are much more likely to be

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Speaker 3: violent criminals, much more likely to be murderers or rapists

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Speaker 3: or child molesters, much more likely to be MS thirteen

545
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Speaker 3: gang members, much more likely to be terrorist. And that's

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Speaker 3: the population that is most worrisome. And speaking of MS

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Speaker 3: thirteen gang members, just when I thought politics could not

548
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Speaker 3: get weirder. Democrats have decided to go all in, making

549
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Speaker 3: their central party platform be that we should admit more

550
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Speaker 3: illegal aliens, and in particular, we want more Venezuelan gang

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Speaker 3: members MS thirteen gang members here, and they decided that

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Speaker 3: Kilmar Abrego Garcia is their poster child for the Democrat Party. Tom,

553
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Speaker 3: how confident tell us about Brego Garcia? How confident are

554
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Speaker 3: you that he's a gang member, that he's a criminal.

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Speaker 4: I'm very confident, and I've talked to the head of

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Speaker 4: Vice numerous times. People are understanding. So he got no

557
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Speaker 4: due process, Yes he did. He got due process from

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Speaker 4: two different federal judges who said he's at the United

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Speaker 4: States a citizen al Salvador, and he gave up order

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Speaker 4: of deportation. He had a great two process, a great text.

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Speaker 4: Their expense on top of that manin Ice and they

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Speaker 4: sent those two plane loads of TDA MS thirteen. Hundreds

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Speaker 4: and hundreds of hours were spent on every case. They

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Speaker 4: went to the criminal history, the immigration history, They went

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Speaker 4: to intelligence report, they went to confidential performance statements, they

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Speaker 4: went to wire taps, they went to a bunch of

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Speaker 4: stuff to certify these people were members of TVA and

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Speaker 4: MS thirteen, so they got due process several times. Obrego

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Speaker 4: Garcia's home. He's a citizen Al Salvador. And for those

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Speaker 4: the Democrats said, well, they made a mistake. I still

571
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Speaker 4: say it was a mistake. It was an over temporary Oversecond,

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Speaker 4: here's the problem he had it withholding order, did not

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Speaker 4: returned to Al Salvador because he feared death from the gang.

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Speaker 4: Two things have changed since that order was given. Number one,

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Speaker 4: he's a designated terror so that with holding order has

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Speaker 4: been set aside. Number two, the gang he feared it

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Speaker 4: no longer exists now Salvador because the great work President

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Speaker 4: Buketi did there. So the circumstances surround that with holding

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Speaker 4: order are no longer valid. And here's what would happened.

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Speaker 4: If somebody was to make this guy return to the

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Speaker 4: United States, he would be detained and removed the next day,

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Speaker 4: if not to Al Salvador, to another country. He's not here,

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Speaker 4: but as President Boukeley said, he is a pre certified

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Speaker 4: national of Al Salvador. He is home. He is home.

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Speaker 4: He is a certified Heminister team member, not just by

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Speaker 4: ice by local police departments. Intelligience Reports, Immigration judges in

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Speaker 4: the country of al Salvador says he's emis thirty team member.

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Speaker 4: He's home is exactly where he should be. This country,

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Speaker 4: his wife, his neighborhood is a lot safer because he's

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Speaker 4: locked up.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to accountability for a second time,

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Speaker 1: and I want to ask you there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people that believe that there were laws that were

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Speaker 1: broken deliberately in the last administration.

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Speaker 5: They knew they were breaking the law. One of those

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Speaker 5: would be.

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Speaker 1: Former Homeland Security Secretary. My orc is that you mentioned

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Speaker 1: a moment ago. Should he be criminally prosecuted for his

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Speaker 1: role in the border crisis if it was as deliberate

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Speaker 1: as it now seems.

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Speaker 4: Look, I think what he did was borderline trees in

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Speaker 4: this I'm not an attorney, I'm not a prosecutor. But

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Speaker 4: what he did, he did more damage to this country.

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Speaker 4: Him and the Biden administration and what they did to

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Speaker 4: this country. I can tell you when they open that

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Speaker 4: border up sex trafficking women, it showed to increase tenfold

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Speaker 4: of a record number of migrants died making that journey.

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Speaker 4: Over four thousand, or record number of Americans died from

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Speaker 4: Fatanah that come across that open border, and and it's

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Speaker 4: just what he what he calls this country and from

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Speaker 4: a national securities perspective, because here's what his orders were,

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Speaker 4: process quick, release quick. They didn't care about the crisis.

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Speaker 4: They cared about the optics of the crisis. If there's

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Speaker 4: no overcrowding, there's nothing to see here. So border trades

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Speaker 4: were processed as quick as they could, and releases a

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Speaker 4: quick as they could. And there's been several instances where

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Speaker 4: they released so quickly the FBI scan didn't come back

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Speaker 4: and and it came back hot. Actually they already been released.

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Speaker 4: They came back hot. As a known spectatorian, So yeah,

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Speaker 4: what he did was uncomfortable. What he did is my

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Speaker 4: opinion borderline in treason is he should be held accountable

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Speaker 4: because a lot of deaths occurred under his watch. And like,

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Speaker 4: like Sundra Cruz said a few minutes ago, right now,

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Speaker 4: ninety six percent decline and illegal immigration when ninety six

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Speaker 4: percent less people are coming, how many women aren't being raped,

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Speaker 4: how many children aren't dying crossing a border, how many

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Speaker 4: no inspected terarists aren't getting in the country. How many

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Speaker 4: pounds of fatanyl is not getting a country? What are

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Speaker 4: you going to see in the President Trump's administration, vatanyl

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Speaker 4: deaths with decrease, sex trafficking with decrease, smuggling with decrease,

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Speaker 4: and no inspected tarors. They got no open n anymore.

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Speaker 4: Now that we got the board secure, every single Borders

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Speaker 4: religion is on the lying on patrol. During his National

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Speaker 4: Security duty under Joe Biden, it was an average most days,

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Speaker 4: an average seventy percent seven zero seventy percent of agents

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Speaker 4: were no longer on patrol. They were changing diapers, making

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Speaker 4: baby formula, making hospital runs. The last time aren't down there.

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Speaker 4: Before the election, I talked to hundreds of board plays

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Speaker 4: and told me to hang on, hang on, changes coming.

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Speaker 4: I really think President Trump's going to win. But they

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Speaker 4: told me no, we're sick of being tour station. We're

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Speaker 4: sick of being uber drivers. We process and delivered these people,

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Speaker 4: that is the very same people who pay for their smuggling.

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Speaker 4: They couldn't recruit. They couldn't people were quitting. They were

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Speaker 4: quickly for it, even as well for retirement. They couldn't

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Speaker 4: re recruiting numbers. You know, last month Ice I'm excusing

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Speaker 4: Bord Patrol had the highst recruiting numbers and the history

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Speaker 4: of that agency just last month.

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic.

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Speaker 3: And look, I will say Tom's not exaggerating at all,

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Speaker 3: Like when I would visit with border patrol agents the frustration. Look,

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Speaker 3: the men and women who sign up for the border patrol,

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Speaker 3: they do so because they're patriots. They do so because

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Speaker 3: they love America. They do so because they want to

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Speaker 3: keep our communities and our families and our kids safe,

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Speaker 3: and they want to be out on patrol. Look, these

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Speaker 3: that's what you sign up in the job. And they

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Speaker 3: were sitting there just shuffling paperwork, they were processing and

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Speaker 3: just running a revolving door to try to release as

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Speaker 3: many illegal immigrants.

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Speaker 2: As fast as possible.

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Speaker 3: That's what may orcs looked viewed as job is accelerate

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Speaker 3: illegal immigration, not stop it, but but make it go

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Speaker 3: more quickly. Let me ask you, Tom, you mentioned fentanyl.

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Speaker 3: What do we know about the numbers of fentanyl traffic

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Speaker 3: over the first four months of the Trump administration.

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Speaker 4: There's been a decrease, and I've got from three or

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Speaker 4: four different sources. The percentage of decrease is different from

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Speaker 4: every source. The problem is the CDC doesn't have good

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Speaker 4: metrics on fatanyl but look across the country. You can

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Speaker 4: see the decrease in fatanyl fatanyhls being c's on the

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Speaker 4: southern border. And it's the metrics. And that's maybe something

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Speaker 4: you all work on up there in the Senate. UH,

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Speaker 4: CDC needs a tract is more more more accurately. Like

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Speaker 4: I said, you got you got a number of deaths

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Speaker 4: reported by states. You got a number of deaths reported

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Speaker 4: by CDC. None of them match. So, but we do

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Speaker 4: know there's been a reduction. You don't see you know,

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Speaker 4: three hundred people dying every day from fantolic We did that,

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Speaker 4: did see right? We know we don't have two, you know,

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Speaker 4: nine to elevens a week happening from kid dying from Patanah.

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Speaker 4: So I don't have exact numbers, but we already see

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Speaker 4: the effects of a secure boarder.

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Speaker 3: And Tom, let me ask you also. So one of

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Speaker 3: the things we've talked about on this podcast. In twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 3: the Mexican drug cartels made roughly five hundred million dollars

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Speaker 3: from human trafficking. Last year, the drug cartels made over

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Speaker 3: thirteen billion dollars from human trafficking. That's a twenty six

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Speaker 3: hundred percent increase. Do we have any data yet, Do

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Speaker 3: you have any visibility on what has happened to the

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Speaker 3: drug cartel's revenue because one of the worst consequences of

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Speaker 3: what Biden's open border did is is it turned these vicious, murderous,

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Speaker 3: transnational criminal organizations into incredibly wealthy powerhouses and it put

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Speaker 3: huge resources in their pockets. Do do you have any

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Speaker 3: data on what's happened to their revenues?

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Speaker 4: Well, one of the first best thing President Trump did

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Speaker 4: was designated terrorist organization because these cartels have killed more Americans. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: every turn is in the world combined. We knew that.

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Speaker 4: That's why there's so mu's buy on some mech show.

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Speaker 4: The last four years cartels were fighting each other for

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Speaker 4: control of the plausas. Why because they're making record amounts

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Speaker 4: of money, smuggling people, record amount of money and trafficking women, children,

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Speaker 4: and a record amount of money moving dope across that border. Now,

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Speaker 4: with the board secure, we're hitting them where it hurts.

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Speaker 4: Smugglings down, both drugs and people trafficking is down, So

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Speaker 4: we're hitting the where it hurts. That's why the latest

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Speaker 4: intelligence force I see they're trying to produce and push

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Speaker 4: more fatanol into Asian European nations because their market here

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Speaker 4: in the United States has been so brutally attacked. I

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Speaker 4: wish what would happen is that Mexico would agree with

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Speaker 4: President Trump to let us help them take the cartels

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Speaker 4: and wipe them off the face of the ears. Because

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Speaker 4: right now they're like the holicical cartel. They're in forty

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Speaker 4: four countries around the globe. They're like a fortune five

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Speaker 4: hundred company. It's going to take the United States to

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Speaker 4: take them on. Mexico's failed for decades to do it,

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Speaker 4: and a lot of mech showing the military, police and

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Speaker 4: government presses are corrupt. I'll say this, a lot of

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Speaker 4: the corruption is force corruption. Because you're a police officer

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Speaker 4: in Mexico. You're making you know, four hundred dollars a month.

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Speaker 4: But a Mexican tartel comes up and i'llsly ten thousand

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Speaker 4: looks the other way, and you're going to take it?

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Speaker 4: Are they going to kill you and your family? I

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Speaker 4: think Mexico will be a much safer and much prosper

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Speaker 4: more prosperous country if they let President Trump help them

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Speaker 4: lepe the cartels off the face of the ear.

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Speaker 3: Look that that is absolutely right, And let me underscore

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Speaker 3: that point. A lot of people don't realize, particularly those

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Speaker 3: on the left, that that what what Joe Biden the

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Speaker 3: Democrats did, it wasn't just horribly cruel to the American people.

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Speaker 3: It was horribly cruel to Mexican nationals in Mexico. Turning

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Speaker 3: these vicious criminals into the most powerful economic force in

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Speaker 3: Mexico has increased the murder rate, the crime rate, the

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Speaker 3: kidnapping rate rate. I visited with with a Mexican mayor

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Speaker 3: of a town on the other side of the border.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not going to say which mayor because he

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Speaker 3: told me in confidence because he was afraid, but he

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Speaker 3: said in his town they had had over three thousand disappearances,

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Speaker 3: just people Mexican nationals living in Mexico who just ran

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Speaker 3: a foul of the cartel and they just disappear, and

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Speaker 3: they find mass graves and and the suffering and murder

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Speaker 3: and kidnapping. That that that that has happened in Mexico

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Speaker 3: because of the Democrats political decision I think was cruel

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Speaker 3: and horrible. And and Tom, you're exactly right that that

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Speaker 3: the US military can take out the cartels.

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Speaker 2: And we've done it before in Colombia.

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Speaker 3: President Eurreibe asked the military to come in and take

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Speaker 3: out the cartels in Colombia, and we came in and

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Speaker 3: did that, and we could do it again, and and

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Speaker 3: I do think it would be much better if the

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Speaker 3: Mexican government invited us in. It would have transformational impact

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Speaker 3: within Mexico.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they say a lot of lives, like say, vexing

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Speaker 4: cartoons have killed foul who's of judges and prosecutors and journalists, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and citizens. So you know, I wish they I wish

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Speaker 4: they'd joined with President Trump and that would be a

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Speaker 4: game changer, uh, for Mexico and the United Things.

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Speaker 3: All right, final question, we saw just this week that

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Speaker 3: that New Jersey Democrat Congresswoman Lamonica mac Ivor was charged

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Speaker 3: for assaulting law enforcement at an ice facility. Uh, tell

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Speaker 3: me tell us how important that is and and what

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Speaker 3: do you think about about the fact that that charges

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Speaker 3: were brought for assault. We saw during the Biden administration repeatedly, Uh,

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Speaker 3: law enforcement, Customs Border patrol ice agents were subject to

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Speaker 3: physical assault and no charges were brought. How important is

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Speaker 3: it that these charges were brought?

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Speaker 4: The Sun's a strong menses is very important and also

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Speaker 4: proves I don't bluff, I'd said from the David inauguration.

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Speaker 4: If you want to not support ICE, well, shame mind you.

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Speaker 4: But you have that right. If you want to protest

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Speaker 4: against ICE and to protest against trust policies, that's fine.

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Speaker 4: If you want to watch ICE comm in and clean

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Speaker 4: your city up because you're a sanctuary of city, don't

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Speaker 4: want to help, you can do that too. But ICE

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Speaker 4: had from day one. You can't cross that line. You

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Speaker 4: can't cross the line of impediment. That's a felony. You

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Speaker 4: can't cross the line on noially and harboring concealing the

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Speaker 4: able to go amless mice, that's a felony. You certainly

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Speaker 4: can't commit criminal trespasses at our facilities. And for God's sake,

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Speaker 4: you can't put hands on i ICE officers. And this

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Speaker 4: happened during the same time frame. The same week I

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Speaker 4: went to Blue Mass in Washington, D C. And remembrance

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Speaker 4: of the men and women in law enforce and put

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Speaker 4: their lives on the lines of this country every day.

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Speaker 4: So we spend a week just just just praising these

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Speaker 4: men and women, talking to their families who also paid

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Speaker 4: the ultimate sacrifice. They lost the loved one forever children

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Speaker 4: lost their fathers and mothers, and mothers and fathers lost

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Speaker 4: their sons and daughters in the same week we're supposed

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Speaker 4: to be honor in law enforcement. You got some of

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Speaker 4: the member coundress put their hands in shoving an ice officer,

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Speaker 4: which makes that facility very unsafe. And I'm sick and

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Speaker 4: tired of hearing what we have congression oversight responsibilities. There

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Speaker 4: is a right way and wrong way to do it.

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Speaker 4: You don't force your way in the facility. You don't

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Speaker 4: put hands on an officer. We do oversight all the time.

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Speaker 4: And what are they finding out as people are getting

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Speaker 4: tours in that facility that they have the highest detention

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Speaker 4: standards in the industry, and it puts every every other

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Speaker 4: UH detention center in jail in the state of New Jersey,

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Speaker 4: whether it is a county or state. It puts them

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Speaker 4: to shame because our detention standards are so high. So

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Speaker 4: when you go and calls that kind of practice, where

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Speaker 4: we're trying to maintain a facility with very dangerous people inside,

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Speaker 4: we got to protect not only the criminals, we got

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Speaker 4: to protect the employees and the citizens on the outside.

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Speaker 4: What she did was just horrendous she she put hands

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Speaker 4: on an officer. Like they said for four years, no

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Speaker 4: one's above the law. You're damn right. They're not above

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Speaker 4: the law, even members of Congress. The president is above

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Speaker 4: the law, but these are members of Congress.

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Speaker 3: Look amen, And I will say, Tom, I've visited dozens

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Speaker 3: of ICE facilities and CVP facilities. I've never found it

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Speaker 3: difficult to refrain from physical assault on an officer. Somehow,

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Speaker 3: that temptation was never there for me, and in fact

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Speaker 3: for the opposite. It is my job to have their backs.

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Speaker 3: That's a job I take incredibly seriously. And I just

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Speaker 3: want to say, Tom, you were a patriot. You were

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Speaker 3: a great American. We have roughly a million unique listeners

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Speaker 3: who listened to Verdict, and I want to say, on

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Speaker 3: behalf of all of them, and on behalf of thirty

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Speaker 3: one million Texans, thank you for what you are doing.

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Speaker 3: You are keeping my children safer, and Tom, I am

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Speaker 3: grateful you are on that front line for us, and

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Speaker 3: you and President Trump are making a massive difference for

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Speaker 3: the entire country.

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Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate that, but I'm not going to take credit.

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Speaker 4: Please give the thank for your listeners. You see a

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Speaker 4: borbous agent. Nice yes, just say thank you, because I

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Speaker 4: cannot believe that we knew they're going to take hate

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Speaker 4: as soon as President something got back in. But say

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Speaker 4: thank you because these men and women, their mothers and

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Speaker 4: fathers too. They don't hang their heart down the hook

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Speaker 4: at home and you go to work. They see a

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Speaker 4: lot of terrible things. They put the life on the line.

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Speaker 4: At three o'clock this morning, when everybody is sleeping, me

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Speaker 4: and Sender is sleeping. At three am this morning, there's

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Speaker 4: borbite lace and standing on a dirt trail someplace going

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Speaker 4: to take something on. They don't know if it's just

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Speaker 4: an illegal alien or heavily armed drug smunker. They're going

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Speaker 4: to take it on in the nearest back of us,

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Speaker 4: miles away. God bless the men and women of borbetow

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Speaker 4: God best and the women the vice, and God bless

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Speaker 4: this great nation. We're taking it.

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