1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: a paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another episode 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: of Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. Welcome to our podcast. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 1: Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions expressed by 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: the host are their thoughts and opinions only and do 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: not reflect those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage you to 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: do your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 10 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi 11 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 12 00:00:54,680 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal podcast Network. Welcome to my show. Remember each 13 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: week this is the place you go to when you 14 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: want to vent about whatever it is that you're experiencing 15 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: out of the ordinary, from ghosts to aliens, shadow people, 16 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: hat man, near death experiences, Jesus encounters all of the above. 17 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: I'm here to listen, give some insight, and share with 18 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: the audience. Even if you're a researcher and you have 19 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: certain conclusions or certain things that you'd like to put 20 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: out there, go to my main website, which is shadow 21 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: Folks dot com or Heidi Hollis dot com. And put 22 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: as much detail as you would like in your messages, 23 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: because I'm telling you, the more that we get, the 24 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: better that we can understand what's going on, because sometimes 25 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: people will just put these tiny little paragraphs and it's 26 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: just a snippet of what's really take place. And I'm 27 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: telling you, much like the email that I got today, 28 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: the more detail we are going to get in this story, 29 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: it's going to point out why this person has experienced 30 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: some of the things that they've experienced. You just wait. 31 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: And in our last two segments, we have a couple 32 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: of guests that you will be blown away to hear from. 33 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: We've got Mary Rodwell, who is absolutely phenomenal in her 34 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: research and her work in the alien abduction area. And 35 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: we also have Ralph Blumenthal, who has written a spectacular 36 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: book on Dr John Mac and Wow, you will not 37 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: be bored, never bored on this show. So I want 38 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: to get into something here that I think that you're 39 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: really going to enjoy. And remember, if you want to 40 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: be a guest on this show, that's always open as well. 41 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: But I do understand a lot of people are very 42 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: hesitant to hop on a show like this and this 43 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: build their guts on what it is they've experienced. So 44 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: send on over the emails. I'll just read it off 45 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: like I'm going to do right now. I have received 46 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: this email from somebody they would just like to be 47 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: called the letter A and they say, dear Heidi. I 48 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: have experienced shadow people in many events of paranormal since 49 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: I was very young. I have not shared this until 50 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: I was well into my teens and could actually trust 51 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: a friend I have found in my adult life. There 52 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: are a chosen few I'll share with and I totally 53 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: get it. As she starts, okay, shadow man. I was 54 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: probably less than five, I wasn't in school. I had 55 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: gotten out a bed in the middle of the night. 56 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: The house was exceptionally quiet, I remember, and I found 57 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: it a relief. My family consisted of seven people living 58 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: in a small house. I went into the bathroom and 59 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: looked towards the door. The doorway was taken up in 60 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: height and nearly full width, showing of a great man. 61 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: I could make out clothes and something like a large 62 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 1: sharp tool hanging from his belt. He had heavy looking 63 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: boots on all gray and shadowy. The door frame height 64 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: was about eight ft. I didn't know that then, but 65 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: my teen brother at the time was six ft tall, 66 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: and his head was far from the frame of any 67 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: door in our house. I spoke to him. I asked 68 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: if he was daddy. He stayed silent, staring at me. 69 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: His faceless head was turned staring at me. I stayed 70 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: in the corner of the room. I don't remember feeling afraid, 71 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: but they're just trying to figure out who this was. 72 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 1: I knew instinctively not to walk towards the gray man. 73 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: He vanished and only darkness was left behind. Shortly after that, 74 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: I saw lightning streaking intermittently down the hallway towards my 75 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: parents room. I just watched. I stayed still. I was 76 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: fully awake. I can recall the surface my feet were 77 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: on and feel the coolness of still air around me. 78 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: My parents came into the bathroom at some time. Both 79 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: were leaning against the radiator as I told them what 80 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: I had seen. Neither of them spoke to me, but 81 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: my father turned my my mother and said, should we 82 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: take her to a psychiatrist. I was very young, but 83 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: most of my siblings were over a decade. They were 84 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: more older than me. I was used to listening to 85 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: a conversations. I knew what a psychiatrist meant, but as 86 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: kids do, I tested my father's remark fully, intending to 87 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: have him explain to find out why he did not 88 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: believe me. So I asked, what's a psychiatrist? And my 89 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: childlike voice and lisp, my father said, oh, never mind. Yes, 90 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: I felt empty that I was not believed, and I 91 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: told them nothing ever again. Okay, I want to stop 92 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: right here because watch the patterns. Listen to the story. 93 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,679 Speaker 1: If that was indeed the hat man who can come 94 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: as a great type of figure, that's very intimidating, and 95 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: the height of this makes me feel suspicious it could 96 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: have been, And he does wear things on his hip 97 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: at times, so I'm suspicious it's potential potential hat man, 98 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: but not certain. Not certain here, but just listen to 99 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: these patterns. It's okay, you guys. You've been listening to 100 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: me for a while on here. See where this all 101 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: leads and why this person in particular has these experiences. 102 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: And I did read a little bit ahead on this email, 103 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: which I don't usually do, and I had to cut 104 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: out some things because it is a rather large email, 105 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: and I want you guys to get this all fit in. Okay. 106 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: Another time, I was playing by myself in our backyard. 107 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,239 Speaker 1: It was a New England warm day, must have been June, 108 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: and I was sitting on soft moss and heard what 109 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: I call the voice without words. I hear nothing. I 110 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: hear no words or voice. It's like a message coming 111 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: to my mind. Quote your father will die when you're 112 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: thirty seven. Get ready. I looked around, no one to 113 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: tell me, no one else to see. I naively thought 114 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: I would be older and his dying wouldn't hurt as 115 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: badly as it would for a little girl at the time. 116 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: I was about six years later, and horribly my father 117 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: died from a neurological disease. I was wrong. It hurt 118 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: beyond what I could express. I was thirty seven. The 119 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: night before my father died, I was working in the ICU. 120 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: I suddenly got a message. Quote called the hospital. He 121 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: was in another hospital at the time, and leave a 122 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: message for the staff to give to him. It's your 123 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: goodbye end quote. I excused myself from my patient and 124 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: made a quick call to an administrator at the desk. 125 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: I asked her to have a staff member to tell 126 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: my dad that his youngest daughter was calling to say 127 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: I love you. It was twelve fifteen a m. I 128 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: went back to work, believing and knowing he'd be dead 129 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: in twelve hours. I was told no change. I got 130 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: out of work at four am, got home about five am. 131 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: Awakened at twelve fift pm. My mother was on the phone. 132 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: My dad had just died. I was thirty seven. The 133 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: prediction was correct. One is never prepared, one can never 134 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: get ready. For days after, I kept getting messages from 135 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: my father. He told me he was safe, comfortable, It's 136 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: all right. The messages were strong, and then they faded. 137 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: Over days, I could feel him leaving. I was not 138 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: distressed by this. I could sense that he was being guided. 139 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: He died on his mother's birthday. The beloved woman brought 140 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: him home to those who love him. I never knew 141 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: her on earth, but always felt a connection, and I 142 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: still do. Another story I have awakened paralyzed. A woman 143 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: was crying and standing at the end of my bed, quote, 144 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: help me, can you help me? I couldn't speak to her, 145 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: but spoke in my mind, I will help you. I 146 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: was determined. No one, nothing could keep me from helping her. 147 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: But how I was seventeen. The young woman was dressed 148 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: in a white gown with beyond shoulder length hair. She 149 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: lingered at the end of the bed. She calmed and 150 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: I could feel trust, and then she vanished. A year later, 151 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: I was working in a financial institution. I worked for 152 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: a great guy, a father like mentor, another young worker 153 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: and myself. We're working overtime to get caught up on 154 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: loan applications, and I was, and when it came across 155 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: a loan application with a familiar name asking for money 156 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: to repair a car. It was a lie. A male 157 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: had impregnated a good friend of mine and threatened he 158 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: would not help her. She told me this earlier in 159 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: the week. He was going to give her money to 160 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: help with the little one on the way, and a 161 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: long story short, the guy took off, and that event 162 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: of the young woman crying at the end of the bed, 163 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: that was my friend. She had dark hair, she was 164 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: crying for help, She needed help. She was so ashamed 165 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: and shamed by others that she and I did not 166 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: remain friends, which wasn't my choice. I get it. She 167 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: did not know that I had actually advocated for her, 168 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: you know, I want to just stop right there before 169 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: we get to our first break big, because listen to 170 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: this person and the insight that they have and apparent 171 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: abilities that they have to be able to sense, to 172 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: be able to see. And these are like happenstance things 173 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: like these are not like constant everyday things. I'm assuming 174 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of us get these things. 175 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: But sometimes, you know, throughout a whole lifetime, we have 176 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: those people that will have these repeat occasions pop up 177 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: that are extraordinary, absolutely extraordinary and not not very typical 178 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: always to have these extraordinary events. And guess what, guys, 179 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: those are the people that hat Man looks for. Do 180 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: you see why? Because they may happen to see what 181 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: others cannot and warn. 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He never asked me 236 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: to look at houses he was selling, but unusually, he 237 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: asked me to accompany him to a home he was selling. 238 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: Before I got up to the driveway, I told him 239 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: to stop. I'm not welcomed here. Turned the car around. 240 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: There is evil here. But he persisted and asked me 241 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: to come into the home, and I felt like the 242 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: air was absolutely oppressive. I went room to room trying 243 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: to get away. I felt strong I would not allow 244 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: myself to be harmed, but it is harmed for those 245 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: of us who are sensitive to such things. I went 246 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: upstairs and I felt that death lives here. I was 247 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: then told of the history of the house so far 248 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: as he knew. A man and a woman bought that home. 249 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: They had worked since very young, and they were in 250 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: their forties and within a year the wife was diagnosed 251 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: with terminal cancer, and the poor dear died in the 252 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: downstairs bedroom. The widower tried to stay, but his loss 253 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: of his wife made living there unbearable. The owner had 254 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: his brother moved in to keep the house occupied. Within 255 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: six months, the brother was found by the owner he 256 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: had passed away from natural causes. The owner's father then 257 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: came to live in the home, and yes, he died upstairs. 258 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: The man was in his sixties of a heart attack, 259 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: he died. The owner then tried to rent the home. 260 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: People would stay as little as a week or a 261 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: couple of months, and the tenants claimed dishes would crash 262 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: to the floor, they'd be awakened by noises and voices 263 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: and feeling strange things. The lock doors would open on 264 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: their own, and et cetera. So the home came on 265 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: the market. My then husband did not believe all that 266 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: he was told. He brought our two daughters, twelve and fifteen, 267 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: to the house after my warning him to reveal it's 268 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: haunted for anyone who buys it. The girls were brought 269 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: in without my knowledge, and horrific experiences happened for my daughters. 270 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: The twelve year old was pushed by an unseen muscle 271 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: up against the living room wall. My elder daughter could 272 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: feel herself being followed and an unseen entity attempted to 273 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: push her on the stairs going to the upper level, 274 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: and I was so angry. I found a woman who 275 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: does clearing with a group of people, and I tried 276 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: to pay her to clear it out. The group was 277 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: being taught by her to have the gifts to clear plus, 278 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: she told me she was given that gift so believed 279 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: to be born with it. One does not charge money, 280 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: so she did not. The clearing took two days. Neighbors 281 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: were notified a group of people would be on the property. 282 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: My then husband requested to get additional history about the 283 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: house from the neighbors. Doors were slammed in his face. 284 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: No one would talk about the house in a small 285 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: neighborhood of four houses the household after the clearing. Our 286 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: state requires that hauntings or paranormal activity be revealed in 287 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: a listing. That's awesome it was revealed by the way. 288 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: Amazed that it's sold. Why amazed because I went back 289 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: before the house changed hands one to give the inside 290 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: and outside a piece of my mind to never come 291 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: near my family again to see if it was truly 292 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: cleared of all the nastiness. And there was a clearing, 293 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: but something remained. It felt territory real, and that would 294 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: not leave period. I saw the woman who did the 295 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: clearing by happenstance, and I was respectful and gentle, and 296 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: I told her I could feel the house was not 297 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: entirely cleared. She agreed. She explained it felt ancient, and 298 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: I agreed. I told her I prayed for the family 299 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 1: that lived there. This was twenty seven years ago. My 300 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: daughters will speak of their experiences, but reluctantly, and I'm 301 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: not married to their father anymore. I understand skeptics and 302 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: even cynics, but never put my children or grandchildren in 303 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: harm's way just to test the unseen. A few years ago, 304 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: I had a contractor working my home. I usually stayed, 305 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: but had to go out. It was a sunny day. 306 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: This guy was sensitive to changes in a home, and 307 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: he left his work undone and hastily scratched a note. 308 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: Your house is haunted and I'm not coming back. Oh boy, 309 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: she continues Heidi. I needed this guy. He was a 310 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: master at repairing old walls. I called him to see 311 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: what happened. I don't minimize what anyone tells me that 312 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: they are afraid. He told me he heard footsteps come 313 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: across the kitchen floor, through the living room, into the hallway, 314 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: and halfway up the stairs. He came out of the 315 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: room he was working in to see if it was me, 316 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: and he called me by name. Nothing minutes later, the 317 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: footsteps continued up the stairs, and that's when he threw 318 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: his tools down and ran out. I believed him. Footsteps 319 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: were not uncommon, and I stopped checking quite some time 320 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: ago because it usually was at night, and I knew 321 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: this house was locked up. I just thought it was 322 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: residual left over from two hundred plus years. The contractor 323 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: did come back with the promise I would not leave 324 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: the house while he worked. I live in a house 325 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: built in the late seventeen hundreds. I could feel at 326 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: present and there are things that would go bump in 327 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: the night. I made it clear I would not engage. 328 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: But my three year old grandson looked up at the 329 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: second landing and said, I don't like that black dog. 330 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: My response, I don't see the black dog, sweetie, but 331 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: I believe you and I will take care of it. 332 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: You are safe. That's awesome. Later, I went upstairs and 333 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: took photos of a room that we had just discovered. 334 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: Also brought blessed salt given to me by an elder 335 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: Catholic nun who believed in me. She had given it 336 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: to me years before for protection. I sprinkled the salt 337 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: around the edges of the room and windows. The photo 338 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: showed orbs of many sizes flying out of there. I 339 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: told whatever it was there needed to be a return 340 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: to the Holy Father, to go to Heaven, be with 341 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: those you miss, and whatever else, just get there, get out. 342 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: You're not welcome or wanted. Leave me and my family alone. 343 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: Never be present to my grandson or my innocent child 344 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: or person here. Go back where you traveled from. You 345 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: don't deserve the recognition of the word. Things no longer 346 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: crash or fall upstairs while I'm in the downstairs bedroom. 347 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: I'm glad not to be awakened. Anyone hearing me might 348 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: have thought I was out of my mind. I don't 349 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: feel afraid. I just wanted it out. I also know 350 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: I'm not guaranteed, but I'll continue to be aware of 351 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: what can be. And Heidi, there is still something up there. 352 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: I could feel it. Following me, maybe a kid, ghost 353 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: or a pest. It happens in the small hallway. I 354 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: just tell it leave me alone too. I'm tired of 355 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: this nonsense, and then I go to bed. So here 356 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: you are. My adult daughters tell me a grandchild is 357 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: like you, Mom. I just want him to be able 358 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: to speak freely, not feel abnormal, and be respected. That's 359 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: all I ask and hope for. For those who might 360 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: want to know, I've always had a belief in God, 361 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: the Blessed Mother, Jesus, and saints. I do not expect 362 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: others to embrace what I believe. I have had the 363 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: privilege of being exposed to many religions in my career. 364 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: I've seen the belief in beneficial power make people well 365 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: or easier situation. And thanks for speaking forth rightly for 366 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: so many who have been made to feel they are 367 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: sick and forced into therapy and worse, toxicity is just 368 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: not being believed and isolated. You've probably saved many souls 369 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: out there, Heidi. I believe you have the torture and 370 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: loneliness of being silent can be unbearable for many. I 371 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: heard you speak of a person being suicidal at age 372 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: five on one of your shows. I believe invalidation of 373 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: a tender soul is so destructive it never leaves the memory. 374 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: Thank you A wow powerful And yes I have had gosh, 375 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 1: I've had a three year old be encouraged to kill 376 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: themselves by hat Man. A three year old. I mean, 377 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: what are we dealing with here? But in looking at 378 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: a life like this one, like this story here, do 379 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: you see why hat Man might be keeping an eye 380 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: on somebody like that. She's experienced a lot and I'm 381 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: sure there's a lot more that she didn't share here. 382 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: But we never know the full story until we take 383 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: the time and we listen to somebody like a here. 384 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: That's what she wants to be referred to as. So um, 385 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, I gotta tell you guys, reality is a 386 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: lot stranger than fiction, honestly, And always remember go to 387 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: shadow folks dot com or Heidi Hollas dot com if 388 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: you or someone you know has experienced something out of 389 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: the ordinary, or if you just have questions, comments, or 390 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: want to share your research, send it on over through 391 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: that website. And uh, you're also welcome to be a guest. 392 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: Speaking of guests, I'm going to introduce my two guests 393 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: Coming up right after the break, we have Mary Rodwell, 394 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: who has recognized internationally as one of Australia's leading researchers 395 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: of encounters with non human intelligence. She has lectured in 396 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: North America, Europe, Scandinavia and Asia. And Mary's research explores 397 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: the income a phenomena from a multidimensional consciousness perspective. She 398 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: has worked with families and children. She's also the founder 399 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: and principle of the Australian Close Encounter Resource Network or ACERN, 400 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: and she's the co founder and director of the Doctor 401 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: Edgar Mitchell Foundation for Research into Extraterrestrial Encounters or FREE. 402 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: She's also a former nurse, midwife, counselor, hypnotherapist and raiky master. 403 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 1: She's an international speaker, researcher and author of The Awakening, 404 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: How Extraterrestrial Contact Can Transform Your Life and the New 405 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: Human among other books. Then there's our second guest, who 406 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: is Ralph Blue Metal. He is a distinguished lecturer at 407 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: Barack College of the City, University of New York and 408 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,479 Speaker 1: summer Journalism instructor at Billocks Exeter Academy. He was an 409 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: award winning reporter for The New York Times from nineteen 410 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: sixty four to two thousand and nine and has written 411 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: seven books on organized crime and cultural history. He led 412 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: the Times Metro team that won the Pulleitzer Prize for 413 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: breaking news coverage of the truck bombing of the World 414 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: Trade Center. Blumenthal's latest book is called The Believer, which 415 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: is the weird and chilling true story of Dr John Mack. 416 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: This Harvard psychiatrist and Pulletzer Prize winning biographer risked his 417 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: career to investigate the phenomenon of human encounters with aliens 418 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: and to give credibility to the tales shared by people 419 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: who were utterly convinced that they had happened. Who I'm 420 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: telling you, today's show is going to be a double header. 421 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: You are really going to enjoy the conversations that we're 422 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: going to present here today, and hopefully it gives an 423 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: inner perspective of the processes and the different ends of 424 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: the world of p boat who look into these topics 425 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: from Australia to Harvard to the New York Times. It's 426 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: very important that we get a little rounded idea. Alright, Well, 427 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: we're going to get to our next break. 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You are 478 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on 479 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 480 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: podcast network. And as promised, I have a fabulous guests. 481 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: We have Mary Rodwell. So how are you doing, Mary, 482 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: I'm doing well. HIGHI lovely to speak with you. Yeah. 483 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: Same here my goodness. So you're down under and uh, 484 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: I am very jealous because I love Australia. Um. I 485 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: just have to say that because they used to live there. 486 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: But one day I'll get back there. Um. So your 487 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: work is so fascinating and so multifaceted in the world 488 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: of ill and encounters, your Phoe encounters. Can you tell 489 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: us a little bit about your background? Well, I'm I 490 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: was a nurse in a midwife many years ago, but 491 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: I moved into counseling and that really has been my 492 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: focus ever since. UM. When I started counseling, I worked 493 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: in a medical practice with all sorts of issues that 494 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: came up. UM include being people who've had experiences which 495 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: we call multidimensional where they would be aware of maybe 496 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: granddad or Dad coming to them and speaking to them. 497 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: But I found that what that did would show me 498 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: there was far more to our physical reality than what 499 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: we're taught in modern psychology. So the bottom line is 500 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: that that led me into looking at everything to do 501 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: with the multidimensional, and ultimately somebody coming to me about 502 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: twenty five years ago now and said to me, Mary, um, 503 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: there's no support groups for this, for this, that they 504 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: just think you're a looney. They just think you're crazy, 505 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: and told me about his experiences on board spacecraft, how 506 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: we'd wake up with marks on his body, this kind 507 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: of thing, And ultimately what that's really taken my specialist 508 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: area from just a healing spiritual perspective into one where 509 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: it's all of that, but it's also taking in the 510 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: fact that we communicate and have interaction with non human intelligences. Wow, 511 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: that's fascinating it. It's kind of uh, kind of been 512 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: a wild ride, hasn't it, And trying to interpret all 513 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: the different levels of understandings that come with what people think, Oh, 514 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: there's a craft in the sky, but there this whole 515 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: other manifestation going on that are you finding it hard 516 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: to bridge the two when you try to explain it 517 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: to the public. It's a good question. Um I I 518 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: know that people can relate to maybe anomalous objects in 519 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: the sky, and that's been very useful because now more 520 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: and more people are taking footage that you know, don't 521 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: necessarily believe in we're being visited, but just seeing these 522 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: strange things in the sky and videotaping them or whatever. 523 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: Um So that's been a very you know, seeing's believing. 524 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: What I I would like to say is that there 525 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: are a lot of people that come to me and 526 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: I've worked with over three and a half thousand families 527 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: and children, and what is the hardest thing for them 528 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: is to explain this to their families that they've had 529 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: experiences like this. Because we still have a model of 530 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: psychology that says in as you can you know, your 531 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: five senses can prove it to you. It isn't real, 532 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: whereas this is you know, seeing that the craft is 533 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: one thing and that it's quite another to have experiences 534 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,919 Speaker 1: with those beings on the craft. And that has been 535 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: the jump that is that most people struggle with unless 536 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: you're having an experience. What I say, it's not about belief. 537 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: This is about what they see and what they experience, 538 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: and that's what makes it real. Yeah. Hey, and one 539 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: of those types. Now I know I witnessed this, uh 540 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 1: with people who are being hypnotically regressed to say, and 541 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: they're talking about their experiences and what it is that 542 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: they're seeing, when all of a sudden, it's almost like 543 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: they swapped places and the being is speaking from their 544 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: perspective on what's happening. Have you had much experience along 545 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: those lines, Oh? Absolutely. The The interesting thing with hypnosis 546 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,720 Speaker 1: is that when you take somebody into that altered state, 547 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: everything is recorded by the subconscious. So even al though 548 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: your conscient this mind may edit it out because it 549 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: doesn't want to believe it, that subconscious doesn't have any 550 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: problem with everything you experience. So it is an accurate 551 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: record of anything that happens on the craft and what 552 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,439 Speaker 1: can happen when you take somebody into that place where 553 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: they're exploring what was it that that you know, why 554 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: am I on this table? What are you doing? This 555 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: kind of thing? They can actually have a dialogue with 556 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: the beings on the craft in that space. So this 557 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: is something that helps them get a real understanding of 558 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: what's actually happening and their connection to these beings, because 559 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: many of those even not not necessarily through trance, will 560 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: have conscious memory of communication and interactions on the craft, 561 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: particularly the children. Um, the children um uh i. They 562 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 1: are less programmed into denial, so that they will actually 563 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: tell you consciously that they know they've been up on 564 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: the spacecraft, meet different beings, their special friends, what they 565 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: learn on the craft, um, the abilities they have, and 566 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,839 Speaker 1: they'll go into quite complex detail. So this is why 567 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: you know I wrote The New Human was because about 568 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 1: the children. You know, they, if you like, not yet 569 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: afraid to say and speak about their experiences. And this 570 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 1: is really very very important that we start listening to 571 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: what the children have to say. No, I would say 572 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,439 Speaker 1: so because they're they're they're brutally honest first off. So 573 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: um wow, is so some of these interactions that that 574 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: you see from that that standpoint where people are having 575 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: these own these conversations with these beings, doesn't sometimes resemble channeling. Oh, 576 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: I think channeling is part of that. What we've discovered 577 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: with you know, the research have done have done as 578 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: a co founder of the doctor edgar Mitchell Free Foundation. 579 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: What we we discovered was with the four thousand, two 580 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: hundred people we UM surveyed with that six hundred questions, 581 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: was and their conscious recall. Many of them UM exhibit 582 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 1: multidimensional abilities such as clear boyance, clear audience, the channeling 583 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: downloads of information, producing strange scripts, stage you know, writing 584 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: if you like, as well symbols bringing in what we 585 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,959 Speaker 1: call light language or star language, UM channeling music from 586 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 1: these beings as well as well as information. These are 587 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: all very tangible evidence that something very real is going 588 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: on with their communication with these beings. And it isn't 589 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: just necessarily seeing UFOs. They may have had a near 590 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: death experience, or a shamanic experience, or a healing experience, 591 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 1: or having out of body experiences. All of these seem 592 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: to be a catalyst for communication in those other realms 593 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: and dimensions we call the multidimensional. Now that's a it's 594 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: it's so you think that you get a good grasp 595 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: on on this whole field, and it just it just 596 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: goes deeper and deeper. And I recall sitting in so 597 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: many meetings with people that would have these traumatic events 598 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: with some of these beings, and they were very angry 599 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: with some of them, and then there were other beings 600 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: that it was a whole other type of experience that 601 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: they were reporting on. So do you feel that sometimes 602 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,320 Speaker 1: when people are having a contact experience versus an abduction experience, 603 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: that there may be two different factions of aliens interacting 604 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: with them. Well, it's a good question, but there's two 605 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: things to take into account. Often those that have had 606 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: experiences may start out with thea anyway because they don't 607 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: know what's happening. They don't understand. They've taken um not 608 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: understanding why this particular intelligence is picking them up up, etcetera, etcetera. 609 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: But that can change as they begin to understand what's 610 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: going on and why and their connection to these they 611 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: call it, you know, their staff, family or whatever, that 612 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: whole understanding changes to a point where they would not 613 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: change they change the situation at all. In fact, they 614 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: miss them when they don't have the interaction. And we've 615 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: noticed with a percentage ultimately had a psycho spiritual transformation. 616 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 1: But there are some self serving intelligence is certainly not 617 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: as many as the benevolent ones, but some of those 618 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: also seem to be working with what we call our 619 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,479 Speaker 1: our military, the deep state, and these ones are often 620 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,000 Speaker 1: very negative and very fearful, and this is because they 621 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 1: are as they are abducted by these agencies, and a 622 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: lot of people struggle to know this, that they have 623 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: the technology to abduct people, and they interrogate them because 624 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: they want to know what the tas are up to, 625 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,760 Speaker 1: or what these intelligences are up to, and so they're interrogated, 626 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: often drugged and brutalized, and they are very much in 627 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 1: fear of both that experience and the possibility that they 628 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: are um These um less I would call self the 629 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: self serving creatures or beings that seem to be aligned 630 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,719 Speaker 1: to the military. So it's very complex and sometimes it's 631 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: hard to tell the difference between the two. Right. I 632 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: like that that self serving, that's a great title for them, 633 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: because you know, I've been trying to put out word 634 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: like there is a conflict in alien contact going on 635 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,520 Speaker 1: out there. It's not what you think. And if you 636 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: see somebody with a clipboard standing next to an alien being. 637 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: Those are not the good guys, you know. Wow, it's 638 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: it's so it's just so confusing, and ultimately it feels 639 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: that it's up to the public once you say that, uh, 640 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 1: it's finding the answers versus relying on our governments to 641 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: be honest. Like this UFO report coming m Well, I 642 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: chuckle when I hear about you know that what they're 643 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: saying about. Yes, they seem strange. We don't quite know 644 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: what they are. You know, they're doing all these strange things. 645 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: We don't think you know, they're the Chinese or the 646 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 1: Russian or whatever. I chuckle because I know full well 647 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: they know exactly what they are. Um, and they've known 648 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: for about seventy or eighty years, and they certainly know 649 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: they're not from here. So um. In that sense, it's 650 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 1: it's all a little bit of theater to start desensitizing. 651 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: I think that the humanity to this reality. I think 652 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: this is what they're doing, and they're dripped feeding them. 653 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: I believe personally, the real disclosure will come from the 654 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands, very likely millions or even billions that 655 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,439 Speaker 1: are having experiences that have never been able to talk 656 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,520 Speaker 1: about it and are now starting to come out space closet, 657 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: as I call it, and I are starting to share 658 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: their experiences and a lot of really credible individuals from lawyers, doctors, nurses, 659 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: is um, you know, celebrities, politicians right across the board, 660 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 1: all cultures that are having these experiences. This is not rare. 661 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 1: This is actually a more commonplace than people realize, because 662 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: I believe these intelligences are literally working with human consciousness. 663 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 1: Wants say that for sure. Well, Mary Rodwell, I want 664 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 1: to thank you so much for joining me here. For 665 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 1: this is short snippet of all that you do. There's 666 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: so much I want to say with you, and we'll 667 00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,879 Speaker 1: continue this though too. So how can people check out 668 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,240 Speaker 1: your information on my website ascern dot com dot au 669 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: or Mary Rodwell dot com dot au. 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You are listening to Dark Becomes 708 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,240 Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 709 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:19,280 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. And as promised, 710 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,799 Speaker 1: we have a second wonderful guests joining us today. We 711 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: have Ralph Blumenthal. Ralph, how are you doing today? Great? Hidi? 712 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Oh my goodness, I am absolutely 713 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: thrilled to have you be part of my show. So 714 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 1: thank you for making the time. And I'm intrigued by 715 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,800 Speaker 1: your latest book, The Believer can you tell us a 716 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,879 Speaker 1: little bit about that. Sure, it's the story of John Mack, 717 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,280 Speaker 1: who many of our listeners probably familiar with, at least 718 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: in general outline. He was a Harvard psychiatrist, very esteemed, 719 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: a member of the faculty UM. He had written a 720 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: bullet surprise winning biography of T. E. Lawrence Lawrence Ray 721 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 1: via other books on nightmares and childhood development, and through 722 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: a series of steps I outlined in my book, UM, 723 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: he got interested in the whole issue of human beings 724 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:18,000 Speaker 1: who recall or believe they recall encounters with alien beings. So, 725 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:23,240 Speaker 1: at great jeopardy to his distinguished career at Harvard UM, 726 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 1: he uh he investigated this. He surrounded himself with a 727 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: circle of so called experiencers, studied their stories, UM, and 728 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: in the end gave some credibility to what had happened 729 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 1: to them. Not that he ever understood what it was, 730 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: or that he solved the mystery of what actually happened, 731 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,279 Speaker 1: because it wasn't happening obviously in all reality, Um, but 732 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,839 Speaker 1: something very mysterious had happened. And uh he illuminated that, 733 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: at great risk to his profession. Yeah, he sure did. 734 00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: He really was an eer of sorts. And to put 735 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 1: his name in his reputation on the line. Like you said, 736 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: it's just it's amazing. And uh, so you're the heart 737 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 1: science behind the believer. And and what John mac did, 738 00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: how much of an impact do you think that made 739 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: as a whole to this whole phenomena and the that's 740 00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 1: a good question. I did put that in the subtitle 741 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 1: of my book because I I, you have to deal 742 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,919 Speaker 1: with the science of it, and uh, and he did. 743 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he spent in his first book. He did so, 744 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,879 Speaker 1: outlining in great detail thirteen case studies of people who 745 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,319 Speaker 1: had these experiences. Um. He tried every which way to 746 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,840 Speaker 1: explain them. Um. And one by one he ruled out 747 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,399 Speaker 1: all the obvious explanations. They were mentally ill, they were 748 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:53,560 Speaker 1: looking for publicity, um. Uh, they had a nightmare. And 749 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: he explained very carefully why none of those explanations were adequate. Um. 750 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,399 Speaker 1: And in the end he said he couldn't explain there 751 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 1: was there was no explanation that he could understand, um, 752 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: but that he knew what it wasn't, which was all 753 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: these other things that you know, the so called skeptics 754 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,399 Speaker 1: and debunkers latch onto instantly. Oh they're having a nightmare. Well, 755 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: a lot of these experiences don't happen at night. They 756 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,959 Speaker 1: happen in broad daylight, when people are driving a car 757 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,359 Speaker 1: or um. You know, they're they're remembering a movie they 758 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 1: so well, some of these experiences were two and three 759 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,359 Speaker 1: years old kids, so they were not reciting books they 760 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,520 Speaker 1: had read. Um. Some of them had scars afterwards that 761 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: they couldn't remember getting. So there's a whole series of 762 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:40,279 Speaker 1: things that made him believe or helped him, you know, 763 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,120 Speaker 1: conclude that something was going on that was very different 764 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: from anything we could we could really recognize. Indeed, now 765 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,759 Speaker 1: you personally, what got you involved to even look in 766 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,400 Speaker 1: this direction for this kind of topic. Well, you know, 767 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,879 Speaker 1: I grew up after the war, and I was very 768 00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,319 Speaker 1: interested in science fiction growing up, so I read Ray 769 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,680 Speaker 1: Bradberry and Isaac Asimov and stories about voyages to the 770 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,040 Speaker 1: moon and Mars, very exotic. But then I kind of 771 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,359 Speaker 1: outgrew that and went on with my journalistic career forty 772 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,839 Speaker 1: five years at the New York Times, investigating the mafia 773 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 1: and you know, politicians and corruption and Nazi war criminals, 774 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,800 Speaker 1: all kinds of earthbound things. And then I was the 775 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 1: correspondent the New York Times correspondent in Texas, and one 776 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,799 Speaker 1: day I picked up a used copy of one of 777 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,839 Speaker 1: John max books, his second book, Passport to the Cosmos, 778 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,640 Speaker 1: and I was, you know, blown away that he was 779 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 1: a hobbit psychiatrist who you know was interested in aliens 780 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,440 Speaker 1: and alien encounters. So I decided I was going to 781 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: give him a call, you know, interview him, uh, make 782 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,280 Speaker 1: his story for the New York Times. I didn't realize 783 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,520 Speaker 1: how famous he already was. Um, he'd been written up 784 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 1: in the Times, he'd been on Oprah and written all 785 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,000 Speaker 1: these books. Um. And then I pick up the paper 786 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: and I find out he's he's dead. He was running 787 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,799 Speaker 1: down in London by a drunk driver was looking the 788 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,160 Speaker 1: wrong way, which you know we yankst do in England. 789 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,840 Speaker 1: And so I couldn't interview him anymore. But I contacted 790 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: the family and I got access to his archives. I 791 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,400 Speaker 1: spent the next sixteen years studying his uh, you know, 792 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,160 Speaker 1: his his work and uh I got you know, wonderful 793 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 1: material his um, his own therapy sessions because he had 794 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,680 Speaker 1: he had some issues of his own that he was 795 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 1: working through, was with his mother and um. But you know, 796 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,080 Speaker 1: there was no question of him being of sane mind. 797 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,439 Speaker 1: It was just uh sort of interesting perspectives that threw 798 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,440 Speaker 1: on his work. Um And and that's what got me interested. 799 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,480 Speaker 1: And I got hooked the way he got hooked. I 800 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:54,480 Speaker 1: love it. Yeah. It was really tragic, major loss. Uh, 801 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 1: the way that that he was, yeah, run down. You 802 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,239 Speaker 1: know with this your faux report that's coming out, um, 803 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,520 Speaker 1: that we're all anticipating. You know, there's so much too 804 00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,360 Speaker 1: that we're hoping to have happened when this UFA report 805 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,319 Speaker 1: comes out, and you know, like you're saying, you know, 806 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,960 Speaker 1: it's like we're saying, minds a lot of us that 807 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,560 Speaker 1: are involved in these these topics, but this may really 808 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,719 Speaker 1: help change the whole momentum of the field. I mean, 809 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,919 Speaker 1: how do you first see what's going to happen when 810 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:33,520 Speaker 1: this lands? Well, Um, it is a great step forward 811 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,160 Speaker 1: that the government has changed it's it's posture for many, 812 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:42,760 Speaker 1: many many decades, it denied the phenomenon. It actually uh 813 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,040 Speaker 1: you know it it added to the ridicule of people 814 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,759 Speaker 1: who reported these experiences. Um. It put out disinformation at 815 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:55,719 Speaker 1: times uh. Um. And now because of the encounters that 816 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 1: the Navy has had starting in two thousand four, particularly 817 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,600 Speaker 1: in two thousand four on the west coast and then 818 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,799 Speaker 1: later on the east coast. Um. It is now acknowledging 819 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,239 Speaker 1: that there really is a phenomenon there that they don't understand, 820 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,480 Speaker 1: that these things are physical, um. And they've been caught 821 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,840 Speaker 1: on radar, they've been caught on the thermal imaging devices 822 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,400 Speaker 1: seen by pilots, the most highly trained observers we have 823 00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 1: in this country. Um so. Um. That's a big breakthrough 824 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,359 Speaker 1: it by itself that the government is now saying these 825 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,200 Speaker 1: things are real. We don't know what they are, we 826 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,919 Speaker 1: don't know where they come from, what intelligence, if any, 827 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,239 Speaker 1: is operating them, why they're here, but at least they're real. 828 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,600 Speaker 1: They're not you know, fly specs on the windshield as 829 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,640 Speaker 1: has been said, oh, swamp gas or you know delusions. Um. 830 00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:50,560 Speaker 1: So that's that's progress. Now, will the government really open 831 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:57,160 Speaker 1: it's it's archives completely? I doubt it, um Um. You know, 832 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,800 Speaker 1: we at the end of the day we probably won't 833 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,359 Speaker 1: know too much more than we know now about how 834 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,080 Speaker 1: much information the government has collected, and they're not going 835 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,839 Speaker 1: to open everything. Um. But it is progress, and there's 836 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,480 Speaker 1: still a long way to go, but it's a step 837 00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 1: in the right direction. Indeed, it is. It is exciting, 838 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,840 Speaker 1: and then it's worrisome because I have this thing in 839 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,520 Speaker 1: the back of my throat that's like, I don't think 840 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,360 Speaker 1: they're going to release this out of the kindness of 841 00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,879 Speaker 1: their hearts after all these years of making so many 842 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:31,200 Speaker 1: people feel ashamed for even speaking of such a thing. Yeah, well, 843 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,360 Speaker 1: one thing we know, h ide that will not be 844 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,840 Speaker 1: part of this report. They will not go into alien 845 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,640 Speaker 1: you know, theories and encounters, because the whole position so 846 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,920 Speaker 1: far is that, um, we're not asked, we're not speculating 847 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,320 Speaker 1: on you know, things we really have no information about, 848 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,040 Speaker 1: which is, you know, what kind of intelligence of any 849 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,680 Speaker 1: is behind these objects. So at the most, what they'll 850 00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:02,359 Speaker 1: do is reveal more of the encounters, what information has 851 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,080 Speaker 1: been collected, What are the aerodynamics of these objects which 852 00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:11,080 Speaker 1: are so astounding, their acceleration, their ability to appear and disappear, 853 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,279 Speaker 1: and apparently operate underwater, which is a really amazing thing 854 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,279 Speaker 1: because uh uh, you know, operating in the skies is 855 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,279 Speaker 1: one thing, but if they can operate underwater, Uh, that 856 00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:27,319 Speaker 1: that's totally you know, uh astounding. Um. But they will 857 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,400 Speaker 1: not go into speculation as to you know, what intelligence 858 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,800 Speaker 1: there is where they come from. Why they hear those 859 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,560 Speaker 1: things will have to wait. Yeah, they'll just give credit 860 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:41,799 Speaker 1: to Russia or China whomever else being responsible for it. 861 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 1: That seems to be the direction, if any, that they'll 862 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:49,359 Speaker 1: go in. Well, you know, I mean we have we 863 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,839 Speaker 1: at the time, you know, times have asked a lot 864 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,239 Speaker 1: of our sources about possible you know, earthly explanations. And 865 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,120 Speaker 1: the first first thing, you know, we we are told 866 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:04,160 Speaker 1: is that these are not American technology, uh secret you know, 867 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,520 Speaker 1: American breakthroughs and hiding from the world. We we can 868 00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,520 Speaker 1: we cannot duplicate these aerodynamics, and almost certainly neither can 869 00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,520 Speaker 1: the Russians, of the Chinese or any other earthly power. 870 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,359 Speaker 1: It turns out that they are as mystified by by 871 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,279 Speaker 1: these things as we are. When you know, when we 872 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:26,080 Speaker 1: pick up intelligence intercepts about encounters that they've had other countries. Um, 873 00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,760 Speaker 1: so everybody on Earth is sort of equally mystified. Um 874 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,120 Speaker 1: So I don't think they're gonna be sticking it on 875 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,000 Speaker 1: other countries. I think they're gonna be trying to figure out, 876 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:44,120 Speaker 1: you know what, how advanced this technology is. Um and 877 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,359 Speaker 1: uh and hopefully we are working on how to how 878 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 1: to duplicate how to reverse engineer it to figure out 879 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,279 Speaker 1: what it would take to to to duplicate some of 880 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:59,759 Speaker 1: this technology, the energy and the acceleration and invisibility, etcetera. Yeah. Wow, Well, 881 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,719 Speaker 1: Ralph Blumenthal, I want to thank you so much for 882 00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,919 Speaker 1: coming on. How can people get ahold of your book 883 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,960 Speaker 1: and learn more about what it is you're up to 884 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,640 Speaker 1: these days? Um? Okay, Well, The Believer is widely available 885 00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,520 Speaker 1: in bookstores. I love to plug independent bookstores because they need, 886 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,440 Speaker 1: you know, the business these days. Um. Amazon certainly has it. 887 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,960 Speaker 1: Kindle has it. It's available instantly for download, so you 888 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,920 Speaker 1: can you know, have it right on your device. Um. 889 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,920 Speaker 1: There will be an audio book in July July thirteen, 890 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,160 Speaker 1: so you can listen in your car or if you 891 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:34,000 Speaker 1: have problems with your eyesight. Um. So the many ways 892 00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,840 Speaker 1: to get it. All the information is on my website 893 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,640 Speaker 1: Ralph Bloominthal dot com. R A L P H P 894 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:45,280 Speaker 1: l U M B M T H A L dot com. Um, 895 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,440 Speaker 1: and it tells a little bit about me and where 896 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,520 Speaker 1: my my other books and this book The Believer, the 897 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 1: story of John mac Great. Thank you so much, Ralph Blmenthal. 898 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,840 Speaker 1: This was a great, great time. I appreciate you coming on? 899 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,600 Speaker 1: Do you thank you? Love it great? Remember go to 900 00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,200 Speaker 1: shadow Folks dot com or Heidi Hollis dot com and 901 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,880 Speaker 1: send in your emails about what you're experiencing out there. 902 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,800 Speaker 1: You have been listening to Dark Becomes Light with me, 903 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,400 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to 904 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:30,520 Speaker 1: Coast a M Paranormal podcast Network. We'll see you next time. 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