1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: Radio radio Radio Commies a Myth and Bullshit, a radio 2 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: phonic novella. Local Radio hosted by Mala Locomoties. Welcome back 3 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: to season four of Local to A radios Wanted for 4 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: Crimes against the Patriarchy. We interrupt our regularly scheduled programming 5 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: to bring you Quarantine Confidential, a special pandemic broadcast about 6 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: our experiences with quarantine and COVID nineteen. I'm Theosa and 7 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: I'm Mala. Our intention behind this mini series is to 8 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: archive our experiences during the global coronavirus pandemic. Thank you 9 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: for joining us on this journey. Last time on Quarantine Confidential, 10 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: we interviewed my friend Nadia Nibs, a Minneapolis educator. Tune 11 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: into that episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, SoundCloud, and audio Boom. 12 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: We want to thank Nadia once again for giving us 13 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: her on the ground perspective straight from Minneapolis, especially since 14 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,279 Speaker 1: so many of our listeners are based in the Southwest 15 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: or New York um Chicago. Even we don't have a ton, 16 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: necessarily of firsthand information about what's going on in Minneapolis, 17 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: so we are really happy to have had Nadia on 18 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: the pod. We have even more incredible interviews coming up, 19 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: so I hope you're all excited. Yes, we have a 20 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: lineup for y'all. We are back to our regular Saturday 21 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: recording schedule, so we're hoping to be more consistent with 22 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: the podcast and releasing of episodes. As you all know, 23 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: we're in a global pandemic and we're still bringing you 24 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: the content and we're really excited to have a guest 25 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: for the second half of this episode. Yeah, I mean, 26 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: the content really never stops, especially now. I mean, and 27 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: it was one thing to create content digitally when we 28 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: were in a quarantine under the COVID nineteen pandemic, but 29 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: now we're our country is essentially, I feel like, in 30 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: the early stages of revolution in civil war. So there's 31 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: really a lot to talk about it. We're gonna get 32 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: into all of those things today. But so, Mala, how 33 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: have you been. I know that you've been out at 34 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: a couple of demonstrations in l A, in in the 35 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: downtown area, So can you talk to us about what 36 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: you've seen to your first hand experience. Yeah, I mean 37 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: the part of the city of l a that I 38 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: live in, I feel like a lot of the demonstrations 39 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: are going on around me, and there have been protests 40 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: from West Hollywood to Santa Monica, downtown l A. I 41 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: think there were even protests in Burbank. There have been 42 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: protests in the San Diebro Valley, um in in Van Nuys, 43 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: all over. And something that's really important to mention is 44 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: that Black Lives Out Her l A has been hosting 45 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: a weekly protest in front of I think in front 46 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: of the l A p D headquarters UH to protest 47 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: the District Attorney, Jackie Lacey, who has been our d 48 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: A first some years now. And under Jackie Lacey's leadership, 49 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: there have been something like six hundred police murders lap 50 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: D murders of civilians in l A County and none 51 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: of them have been prosecuted. UM. Me myself, when I 52 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: was working at Peace Over Violence as a case manager 53 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: and crisis counselor, I saw so many horrific cases turned 54 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: down by Jackie Lacy's, by the d a's office, and 55 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: just over and over and over again, um, just really 56 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: horrific cases of police officers who were domestic abusers, who 57 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: were rapists, who had child pornography on their computers that 58 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: had been reported to higher ups. You know, just really 59 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: horrific crimes that the d a's office can tenuously just 60 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: rejected and decided not to file cases on. So that's 61 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: one thing to keep in mind. Like Black Lives Matter 62 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: Los Angeles has been out here protesting on a regular 63 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: basis for years and really building, um, the people power, 64 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: and we're at a point now where everyone is out 65 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: so um. Last week I went to I went downtown 66 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: the day after one of the first kind of all day, 67 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: all night protests and just to check out the downtown 68 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: area Spring Street and Broadway and see what everything looks like. 69 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: And of course there's been so much media attention on 70 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: the looting, but the honest truth is that the quote 71 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: unquote looting is so minimal and superficial. I mean, we're 72 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: talking about broken glass and bed you know, Like, of 73 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: course there have been buildings that have burned down. But 74 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: the thing that's wild to me is seeing journalists like 75 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: say at the forefront of their reporting while you know, 76 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: the looters only represent a small minority of people who 77 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: are out on the streets. The majority of protests are peaceful, 78 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: and yet the majority of the coverage is on the looting. 79 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: Right even though our our our journalists acknowledge that it's 80 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: a small percentage of what's going on. But so I 81 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: went downtown and then on Sunday, on Monday of this week, 82 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: I went out and I went downtown. I went to 83 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: City Hall. Um. There was a small but growing protests 84 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: there that eventually moved to the front of the l 85 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: A p D headquarters. And it was wild because the 86 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: National Guard is in town, and so their tanks are everywhere. 87 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: I've seen their tanks since Santa Monica. I've seen their 88 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: tanks over here by where I live, like in the 89 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: mid city area, and then their tanks are all over downtown. 90 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: And on Monday, UM, I saw that l A p 91 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: D and the National Guard had really surrounded the entire area, 92 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: all of the side streets, any of the outlets, anywhere 93 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: near City Hall or l A p D headquarters. And 94 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: since we've been on curfew in l A basically for 95 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: the past week, the ace LU and and different folks 96 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: suthed the city of l A at this point, so 97 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: CARSTI had to like undo the curfew and revoke it. 98 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: But there was a period of time there where they 99 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: were texting us like all day, moving up the curfew, 100 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: like hour by hour from eight pm to six pm 101 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: to four pm. In some parts of l A the 102 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: curfew was one pm, like on the West Side. So 103 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: what I saw was on my phone getting all these 104 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: different um deadlines for curfew being moved up, and at 105 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: the same time, the National Guard and the l a 106 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: p D surrounding your the l a p D headquarters. 107 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: And sure enough, when when protesters I left early, when 108 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: I saw that ship going on, I left and um, 109 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: they so clearly were waiting to trap protesters, to arrest everybody, 110 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,799 Speaker 1: and they came out with all their zip ties around 111 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: their waist and it was just crazy. So that was 112 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: on Monday, and then I went out yesterday again and 113 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: I went to a march that passed by Pershing Square, 114 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: and I think that one was a little bit more 115 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: calm on on the side of the police. On the 116 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: side of law enforcement. There were National Guards all over 117 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: the place. Really weird to hear them say like, have 118 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: a nice day and be safe out there, and I'm like, 119 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: you're the only one holding like an assault rifle. Who 120 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: are you telling me to be safe when you're holding 121 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: the gigantic assault rifles? Like you brought these guns into 122 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: downtown and they weren't here before I mean, of course 123 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: there's been in downtown, but not like that, just out 124 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: on the street, you know. So it's been wild. I'm 125 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: planning to go to Hollywood tomorrow. There's another action um 126 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: and just a cavy and just like to say, like 127 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: I've been going out because I have I live alone 128 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: in my apartment, like I can come and self isolate 129 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: because the pandemic is still going on, Like all the protesters, 130 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: everyone who's out there is like, we're putting ourselves at 131 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: a certain amount of risk because COVID is still highly 132 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: contagious and out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wanted to 133 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: share just as we're talking, I wanted to share that 134 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,119 Speaker 1: the police chief of l A p D. I'm sure news. 135 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: But if you're not in l A uh, maybe you 136 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: didn't hear this. Maybe you did, but Michael Moore, the 137 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: police chief of l A p D, said that the 138 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: looters also have George Floyd's blood on their hands, that 139 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: they're just as responsible for the police that murdered George Floyd. 140 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: And naturally, this caused an outpour of criticism and he 141 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: had to backtrack and apologize and say that he misspoke, 142 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: but he already stated his comment. We know how he 143 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: really feels. And so that's just like one little pocket 144 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: or one little example of what's been happening in l 145 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: A with our UH city officials and our our government 146 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: or local government. Garcetti, I think that he handled COVID 147 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: itself in l A. I think he handled that really well. 148 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: And then another public health crisis happened and he is 149 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: like quick to shy away from any type of controversy, 150 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: and so now he's under a lot of criticism as well. 151 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: Like you said, Malaw, the a c l U is 152 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: suing the City of l A. So there's just a 153 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: lot going on day to day. Even like during public comment, 154 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: people were, you know, telling Michael Moore to suck their 155 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: dicks like literally, and so they have been receiving an 156 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: immense amount of criticism, which is well deserved. And so 157 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: that's just one example of what we're experiencing through l 158 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: A p D or just in l A right now 159 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: with l A p Yeah, So that's just one example 160 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: of what's been happening in l A City, City of 161 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: l A, l A County. There have been demonstrations countywide 162 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: in southeast l A. There have been multiple youth lend 163 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: demonstrations and it's so wild to see the police come 164 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: out in full riot gear and then you see these 165 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: little like seventeen year old eighteen year olds protesting with 166 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: their signs and demonstrating, and so just really backwards to 167 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: see where we are as a society. But that's the 168 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: reality of where we're at. I wanted to share this 169 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: story because I shared it on my Close Friends Circle 170 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: on Instagram because I didn't want to like take up 171 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: space with all followers, and you know, I'm trying to 172 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: share resources and information and so this just felt something 173 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: like I can share this at a later time. But 174 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: my gym, which is the Latin X owned, they shared 175 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: a video and they shared all these assault rifles that 176 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: they had in their gym and that they were saying like, oh, 177 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: we're we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna protect ourselves from any looting, 178 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: and so it like got me, Yeah, it got me 179 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: really fucking hated, and I like shared on my Close 180 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: Friends Circle and I was like, look, this is what 181 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: my gym just did, and this is really freaking bothering 182 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: me because you would be okay, shooting a quote looter 183 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: as opposed to having your windows broken. And I think 184 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: just the sheer, uh, I don't know us this year 185 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: ignorance of being able to share an assault rifle on 186 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: your Instagram story and not feel like there would be 187 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: any repercussion is truly astounding to me. And so it 188 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: was really bothering me. And it was late at night, 189 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: it was maybe eleven thirty, almost midnight, and I just 190 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: started thinking about just historically all the people that kill 191 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: black people, black men, black children in the name of 192 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: protecting their property. And I kept thinking about tray Von 193 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: Martin and George Zimmerman, and it just really got my 194 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: blood boiling. And so typically I won't call someone in 195 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: via social media if I feel like these people are 196 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: really conservative, whatever I say isn't going to change their mind, 197 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: so I'm not going to waste my energy on it. 198 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: But because I'm a paying member of this gym, I 199 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I am going to call in. 200 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: It's a Latin X own gym. I pay a you know, 201 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: a sizely monthly do a monthly fee. So you know, 202 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: I think that as a patron that I should be 203 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: able to call in and just express my thoughts and 204 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: my opinions. And so I did. I called in and 205 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: I was like, look, this is really dangerous, um that 206 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: you're sharing this type of content on your social media. Like, 207 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: I cannot I can't understand what it's like to own 208 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: a storefront, and I won't pretend to understand what this 209 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: is really dangerous what you're doing. And so I and 210 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: then I also shared some different organizations that they can 211 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: get behind and donate to and booths and all of 212 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: that with their other members, and they responded. They responded 213 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,599 Speaker 1: as you would expect, basically saying like, I'm aware that 214 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: people are going to have their own opinions, but frankly, 215 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: I don't care. Um, We're gonna do what we have 216 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: to do to protect our shop that is a home 217 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: for many blah blah blah blah. And so then I 218 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: responded like, look, I may not be a business owner, 219 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: but I am a content creator and what you share 220 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: on your social media platforms has a lot of weight. 221 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: And that's why I think that you should not be 222 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: sharing your right folds on your social media because it 223 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: sends people the wrong message that they can take madics 224 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: into their own hands, they can protect their property and 225 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: literally kill people. And that was that I left it 226 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: at that. I'm definitely canceling my membership. There's no way 227 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: that I'm gonna give my hard earned money to that 228 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: type of business. And another a listener actually, and a 229 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: friend of mine, she also tried calling in because she 230 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: was a member at that gym as well, and it 231 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: just it didn't go anywhere. So I think that this 232 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: current moment is just showing us where people's where people 233 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: are in their life and where they are in the 234 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: movement and if they're even supportive of the movement at all. 235 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: And so I think it's definitely given me a moment 236 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: for some time to reflect on where I'm putting my dollars, 237 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: where I'm supporting, and where I'm going to redirect it to. 238 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: And I mean, let's not have such short term memory 239 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: loss that we forgot that at the opportunity that governed 240 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: had to support small businesses at the height of the pandemic, 241 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: when it first hit, and when everybody was losing their 242 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: jobs and businesses were closing, who was the federal government 243 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: approving aid and paycheck protection for the corporations. Let's not 244 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: pretend all of a sudden that the federal government and 245 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: that the state and that the city or the county 246 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: have given any kind of a ship about small business owners, 247 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: especially small business owners who are people of color, Like, 248 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: let's not forget the history of predatory lending, the way 249 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: that the banks are superpredatory and take everything that they 250 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: can get, the way that that we have no problem 251 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: tearing down housing in businesses to make way for corporations 252 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: and for luxury high rises. Like I really am not 253 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: buying the disingenuous, you know, like all of a sudden, 254 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: these small businesses are so precious to us as a society. 255 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it really yet. And it's like, look, 256 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you're a gym And the last time 257 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: I checked, the gym's were not really considered essential services 258 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: and are still closed, are they not? Like so there's 259 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: so much also, like this self importance that I'm seeing 260 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: from people like my dude, nobody is coming to your neighborhood, 261 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: No one's coming to your house. And honestly, what I've 262 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: been seeing too on the news and from a lot 263 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: of small business owners themselves verifying. Oh, when we put 264 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: a sign in our window that said immigrant owned or 265 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: family owned and we were left alone, we stood outside 266 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: of our business and told the looters were immigrant owned 267 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: family owned and they skipped us. You know, that's not 268 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: to say that there are not people who are acting 269 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: violently and aggressively, but let's have perspective, you know, right. 270 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: And I also am seeing like something disingenuous happening. I'm 271 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: glad that you brought that up where I feel like 272 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: people are now because they're learning that that, you know, 273 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: potential looters will leave you alone if you're like Latino 274 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: owned or immigrant owned. And I feel like people are 275 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: now putting that on their businesses but don't actually believe it, 276 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: like don't actually support Black Lives Matter. And I say 277 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: that because yesterday I was in Whittier and I saw 278 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: this flower shop that said hashtag it was born it 279 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: up and it'said hashtag black lives matter. And then it's 280 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: aid hashtag whitty or strong And what you're strong was 281 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: born out of the Blue Lives Matter movement or not 282 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: even movement, just the Blue Lives Matter ridiculess. And that's 283 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: like where the witty or strong comes from. And so 284 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, so which one is it? Is it when 285 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: you're strong or is it black lives matter? Like you know, 286 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: please clarify for me. And so now I'm seeing I 287 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: feel like that's that's happening as well, and it's obviously 288 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: very disingenuous, but that's a clear indicator to me that 289 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: you're not actually for the people or the movement, because 290 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: you're you're conflating the two when they're not. They're in 291 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: your own way connected. Also, I am a little bit 292 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: rusty on my constitutional amendments and such, but I'm trying 293 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: to think how high up is the right called business 294 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: as far as the constitutional rights go, or freedom of 295 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: each and freedom of assembly, not a little bit higher 296 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: up on the priorities, you know, I would say it's 297 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: higher up. I would say that I don't have a storefront, 298 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: but I do work with business owners, and I do 299 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: know that business owners have to have some type of insurance. 300 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: So I would assume, I would assume that if your 301 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: windows get busted, not even like not even protests looting wise, 302 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: but just on a regular old day, if you were 303 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: to get robbed or there were to be a fire, 304 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: I'm I'm like sure that your insurance would cover that. 305 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: And so I'm not understanding still why we're prioritizing the 306 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: smashing of windows over actual human lives, over black lives 307 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: and I appreciate, I can we I need people to 308 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: catch up, absolutely, And I was on Twitter, right, and 309 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: of course all the good stuff is on Twitter because 310 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: our broadcast journalism is lagging, and a lot of our 311 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: print journalism is lagging. Sorry about it. They know, they 312 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: know that they're lagging, and they know that they're behind. 313 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: I mean, the New York Times was basically in their 314 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: own civil war recently, because it turns out the New 315 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: York Times op ed team went out of their way 316 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: to pitch and op ed to Senator Tom Cotton, and 317 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: so he puts out his fascist manifesto her request of 318 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: the New York Times, and of course they guessed, like 319 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: the hell out of their journalists of color who have 320 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: been talking about the issues at the New York Times. 321 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: And I mean, it's the New York Times, it's the 322 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: paper of records, so that's what we're seeing. So anyways, 323 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: I'm on Twitter because that's where we get our actual news. 324 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: And uh, a man by the name of Marshall Zellinger 325 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: from Marshall nine News tweets out. There was a decision 326 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: from a judge in Colorado. A federal judge issued a 327 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: restraining order blocking Denver police from using chemical weapons or 328 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: projectiles of any kind against persons engaging in peaceful protests 329 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: or demonstrations. And the judge part of his decision he said, 330 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: if the stores windows must be broken to prevent a 331 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: protester's facial bones from being broken or I being permanently damaged, 332 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: that is more than a fair trade. If the building 333 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: must be graffiti to prevent the suppression of free speech, 334 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: that is a fair trade. In essence, the sanctity of 335 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: human life, of human bodies, and our freedom of speech 336 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: are so much more important than any building, any window, 337 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: or any business. And it's actually like a moral, legal 338 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: and ethical imperative to protect our right to burn the 339 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: ship up when the federal government is killing unarmed civilians routinely, 340 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: like it is more than a fair trade, like this 341 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: judge is saying. And I was really happy with Governor 342 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 1: Newsom who came out and said the looting is not 343 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: a black community problem, this is a white supremacy problem. 344 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: This is a government problem. We have done this, We 345 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: have dragged ourselves here, like we have made this happen. 346 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: So a few people in positions of power are providing 347 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: that counter narrative um, but not enough. I would say absolutely. 348 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: And you know, we're still in a global pandemic through 349 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: all of this, we're into public health crisis is at 350 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: the same time, and that just compounds like why folks 351 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: are out protesting or out at the demonstrations because one 352 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: job loss, economic disparity. People are angry, you know, and 353 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: it obviously disproportionately communities of color, Black communities are going 354 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: to be affected. And so we're seeing a very historical 355 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: moment right now, we're living through it. I'm hopeful that 356 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: radical change can come through this. You know, nationwide people 357 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: are talking about defunding the police and they're there's a lot, 358 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. There's a whole lot going on. 359 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: So and so before we head into our interview, I 360 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: wanted to share because I've been thinking about this from 361 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: my on my personal end, because I am not out 362 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: at demonstrations, I'm not out at the protest, I'm not 363 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: out in the streets, and so I've been seeing conversations 364 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: online happening like you don't have to occupy all the lanes, 365 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 1: like find the lane that you fit in and what 366 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: you can do there. And so I'm someone like Mala 367 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, she can self isolate. I'm someone I've shared 368 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: this many times. I live with my parents. I am 369 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: not comfortable running the risk of, you know, getting COVID 370 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: because I cannot self isolate. I cannot put my parents 371 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: at risk. And we're all health care workers, so it 372 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: can literally travel to many other people if any of 373 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: us already get sick. So anyway, so I've been thinking 374 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: about that and I saw this really great framework that 375 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: was created and it was created by deepa Ere and 376 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: I'm going to link it in the show notes. And 377 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: so she talks about different different types of frameworks and 378 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,719 Speaker 1: roles that people have in look in the movement. And 379 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: so she has this reflective reflective session section where you 380 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: can ask yourself questions about what does your role look 381 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: like in the movement and how can you really hone 382 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: in on those qualities to make a difference. And so 383 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: some examples that I wanted to share are she talks 384 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: about weavers, experimenters, front lisponders, visionaries, builders, caregivers, disruptors, etcetera, etcetera. 385 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: And so I wanted to share that for folks that 386 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,479 Speaker 1: maybe we're trying to find their space and where they 387 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: belong in this movement. Maybe your immunocompromised. Maybe you have 388 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: a disability and you cannot be out there marching in 389 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: the streets and you want to show some type of 390 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: solidarity or some type of support. So I'm gonna link 391 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: that in the show notes so that folks can um 392 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: check it out and see where they stand, see where 393 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: they belong, where they can fit. And so I wanted 394 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: to self identify as a weaver, which is someone that 395 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: sees through lines of connectivity between people, places, orgs, ideas 396 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: and movements. And then there's also the role of storyteller 397 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: and clearly that is what we're here doing at look 398 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: at the radio. So I wanted to share that provide 399 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: some insight. I hope you uh find the place that 400 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: you fit. Yeah, thank you for sharing that, yassa. And um, 401 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm thinking to like make sure that you're following Black 402 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: Lives Matter and the chapter in your city or closest 403 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: to you, because when it's not you know, actions, protests, 404 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: marches and coming together in the streets, there are opportunities 405 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: to like provide public comment on your local city council 406 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: zoom meeting. That's something that happened this past week that 407 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter was encouraging folks to call in and 408 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: to participate and demand the people's budget. That's a big 409 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: thing right now that UM Black organizers are asking folks 410 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: to amplify and look into, study up on and wish 411 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: in your local area. Like theos said, we want to 412 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: defund the police, and we know that even now, in 413 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: the midst of all the chaos and in the midst 414 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: of the uprising, Garcetti is still trying to, uh, you know, 415 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: give police extra I think billions of dollars, not even millions. 416 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: So we're really working on on pushing budgets and on 417 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: focusing on where the money is going, because where the 418 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: money goes is where the power goes as well, right 419 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: And then I would say, like, if you are planning 420 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,239 Speaker 1: on going out to a protest, UM, make sure you 421 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: wear a mask and take multiple masks with you because 422 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: you might need to change yours out. They are really 423 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: pepper spraying people indiscriminately and tear gassing people indiscriminately. Um. 424 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: I took like a jug of milk the first time 425 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: I went out, just in case, because I've seen that 426 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: that be recommended. Folks that we know have been gassed 427 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: in pepper sprayed UM, friends of ours who are journalists 428 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: and who have been out protesting as well or covering 429 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: the protests. UM. And something that I've been doing is 430 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: taking a sharpie and writing like my emergency contact, my sister, 431 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: her phone number in my arm and then there's like 432 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: a number for a bail bonds UM resource here in 433 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: the city as well that folks have been sharing. And 434 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: do not go by yourself. Take someone with you. Go 435 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: with a friend or two friends, and make sure that 436 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: you have like a plan. Um, you know where your 437 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: car is. You kind of know like how many blocks 438 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: you would be comfortable running if you had to run. 439 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: UM figure out if you guys want to be in 440 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: the middle of everything or if you want to be 441 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: on the outskirts and UM, think about if you're like 442 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: willing to lose things, like if you're taking things with you, 443 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: is it's stuff that you can live withouter that you 444 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: can lose if you need to. And then who are 445 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: you telling that you know you're gonna be there? Because 446 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: as we've seen two, UM, the l a p D 447 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: are just like arresting folks in mass and not disclosing 448 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: always the locations that pro that detainees are being taken 449 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: to we've seen Um Mohade is one more had in 450 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: particular right about essentially being sexually assaulted by the l 451 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: A p D. How her and other protesters were very 452 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: much physically abused and then dropped off in the middle 453 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: of nowhere in Westwood with like no phones or or 454 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: or transportation. Keeping in mind that in a lot of 455 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: cities like l A there they have also been shutting 456 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: down public transportation. So it's like not normal. It's like 457 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: it's like it feels like a war zone, you know, 458 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: and so like even you know, no one plans to 459 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: get arrested. I have zero plans of getting arrested, But 460 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: we're walking into all of these like taking those precautions 461 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: because it is that serious out there. Um, we see 462 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: I have seen people with their kids out there too, 463 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: Like they're they're shooting tear gas into crowds with children 464 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: in them, you know. So just keep those things in mind, um, 465 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: when you decide which action you might be participating in. 466 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: I would also say, um, look into who the organizers are. 467 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: The founders of Black Lives Matter are queer women. Right 468 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: Inherently Black of the Matter is queer, it's trans and 469 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: so get to know who the organizers are. Is it 470 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: white organized, is it not? Is it affiliated with Black 471 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: Lives Matter? I think that that's just as important when 472 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: you're doing your research and where you're going to go 473 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: protest and demonstrate. Yeah, and like another pro tip that 474 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: I was really surprised about, um, but it's super helpful. 475 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: So if you doubt, if you have a Snapchat and 476 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: you check out the snap map of the city where 477 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: you live, you can get these hyper hyper hyper local 478 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: on the ground views of the protests in real time 479 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: and what they look like because you're you're you're just 480 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: looking at the snap map in the concentration of people 481 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: who are posting their own protest experience to Snapchat, and 482 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: you can just see just like this bird's eye view 483 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: of everything. So yeah, and and again, follow Black Lives 484 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: Matter because that's the source. That's where you're gonna find, 485 00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: like I think, the most legit stuff. Yeah. Absolutely, Lee, 486 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 1: and ultimately, be safe out there. Always let people know 487 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: where you're gonna be at if you're going to be out. 488 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: Like Mola shared all those really great tips when she 489 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: was going to the first administration, I was like, okay, girl, 490 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,439 Speaker 1: in the event that you are detained do you have 491 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: bail money? Where is it? Where do we go get you? 492 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: Because like like Fala said, like you're not going with 493 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: the intention of getting arrested. I mean maybe you are, 494 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: but if you're not, like we're there's clear accounts of 495 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: folks of the l a p D detaining folks and 496 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: then just dropping them off god knows where. So always 497 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: be safe, you know, don't go alone. Let people know 498 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: where you're at. Uh. There's a bunch of different safety 499 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: tips online when it comes to like digital safety and 500 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: like turning off location services, um, turning off your cell service, 501 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: all of that. So just things to keep in mind 502 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: if you're out in the thick of it. Thanks to 503 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: keep in mind. And right now, I feel like, you know, 504 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: the l a p D. Like this term law enforcement 505 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: is such a misnomer and means almost nothing because there 506 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: are such clear violations of our laws and procedure. There 507 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: are so many constitutional and human rights and civil rights 508 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: violations taking place daily at these protests being perpetrated by 509 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: uh you know, quote unquote lot of law enforcement. So 510 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: it's just very bizarre to see like, you know, very 511 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: average everybody, you know, unarmed, just out there trying to 512 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: exercise constitutional rights and allegedly the state you know, there 513 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: to protect but is doing everything they can to wage 514 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: war and to silence folks. So it's your right to 515 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: be out there, if you want to be, if you 516 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: can be. Um, I think a lot of I know, 517 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: my mom has been really scared for me and doesn't 518 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: want me to go, and I'm like, look at the 519 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: end of the day, like, we have rights, and they 520 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: can't just force us inside and stomp us out and 521 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: make us be quiet, you know, and there they can. 522 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: There's more of us than there are of them, and 523 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: I think that they're seeing that, and that's why they're 524 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: so scared, and that's why they're reacting so violently. They're overwhelmed, 525 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: as they should be. Yeah, yes, bucket, and let them 526 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: be afraid. They literally work for us taxpayers dollars literally, 527 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,479 Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars fund all sorts of departments in Los Angeles, Like, 528 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: they literally work for us, our stupid as president works 529 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: for us. Literally, So yeah, let them be afraid. Let 530 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: them be afraid. And that's not all we have for 531 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: you today, because we have still a whole interview, a 532 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: whole second half to this. Yes we do, Yes, we do. 533 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: So before we get into before we introduce our amazing, fabulous, 534 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: beautiful guests, I want to we want to share with 535 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: y'all that we have a new mid episode song break. Mila, 536 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: do you want to talk about our new songbreak, our 537 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: new jingle? Absolutely? So. You know, as we grow, we 538 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: realize that we can no longer play copyrighted music without permission. 539 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: We will get in trouble one day. So you guys 540 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: are used to hearing everything on local thought making the Stallion, 541 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: what have you Beyonce Rihanna, Um, we can't do that anymore. 542 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: So what we did do was we we tapped into 543 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: local talent, as we do, and we hit up our 544 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: friend DJ Bianca Oblivion, and we asked her to put together, 545 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: um yeah, like a mid episode songbreak for us. So 546 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: you all are hearing the premiere today. How exciting? Yes, 547 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: so exciting. It's so cute. It's like a little less 548 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: than a minute long. I love it. Something for y'all 549 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: to dance to and get hyped for. For our next guest, 550 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: We're super excited to introduce to bring On gata Of. 551 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: She's the executive producer and host of a bilingual podcast 552 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: and YouTube series us It takes a deep dive into 553 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: the origins of reggaeton and where it is today. I 554 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: was having some technical difficulties, so the majority of the 555 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: interview is with Mala, But I love I love what 556 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: she does, I love what she's about. So I'm really 557 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: excited that we had the opportunity and the chance to 558 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: share our platform with her. Without further ado enjoy or 559 00:32:27,600 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: castera belly rost of it and well ship. All right, look, 560 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm what is welcome back? We are super excited to 561 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: introduce our next guest of our capitola. Please welcome Gata, 562 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: Hey girl, Hey, go with stars. How's it going? I'm good. 563 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm going pretty good considering or where are you checking 564 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: in from today? Where where do you stay? I am 565 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: in Boston, Massachusetts. Oh wow, okay, amazing? And how are yeah? 566 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: How are yeah? Like? How is the city responding and 567 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: participating in everything that's going on right now? I'm very 568 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: proud of this pay for UM really putting actions to 569 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: have worked. You know, UM, Boston has a very strong history. UM. 570 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: A lot of America's history started right here in Massachusetts, 571 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: in Boston. So it's beautiful to see that moving forward, 572 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: especially as you know the topic is now on the 573 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: topic at hand in the center is I'm having to 574 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: do with Black Lives Matter. So it's beautiful to see 575 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: different communities. Some have actually surprised me that are all 576 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 1: working in solidarity. So I'm very proud of the city 577 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: right now. That's beautiful that that's really great to hear 578 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: because like on our on our end, we're in the 579 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: West coast, we're in l A and uh, we're seeing 580 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: all these different demonstrations happen county wide, and so it's 581 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: great to hear the other actions that are happening in 582 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: other states. I've like seen that all fifty states have 583 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: participated in some type of demonstration or protests this past week. Yeah, definitely, Um, 584 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: i'd see that. It's beautiful to see. I just hope 585 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: that we keep at it and um, you know, I 586 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: just really hope that you know, a change can come 587 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: out of this, because we all aren't we I know, 588 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: I am. Yeah. The fatigue and the question of fatigue, 589 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: like on all fronts is definitely um on our minds, 590 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: and we see that a lot of like black journalists, 591 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: black protesters, organizers are really talking about the importance of 592 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: mental health and stamina always. But especially now. And I 593 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: also have seen some like commentary on Twitter about how 594 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: you know, if you're new to this and new to 595 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: social justice, this is not a one week thing, like 596 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: you need to get ready for the long haul. And 597 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, is that something that you've been seeing 598 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: those types of conversations on your end? Absolutely, as I am, 599 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: um you know of course well and involved in the 600 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: entertainment industry. The big question right now is how are 601 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: our favorite run on artists able to get into the 602 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,760 Speaker 1: conversation in a way that's not problematic. And of course 603 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: there's a lot of education to be done, UM in 604 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: regards to like what that even means and how to 605 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 1: keep it continuous because unfortunately, as I've had to educate 606 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: some of you know, the people UM working with some 607 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: of these artists that unfortunately, due to structural racism, it's right, 608 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: this is going to happen again, unfortunately. UM. It's something 609 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: that we anticipate, it's something that's part of this trauma. 610 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: And so UM, I'm seeing a lot of uh, a 611 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: lot of efforts towards education, which is nice, but I'm 612 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: very curious, uh, in particular on the steps that need 613 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: to be taken in regards to the education and continuous 614 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: initiatives in order to keep education flowing. So yeah, absolutely, 615 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: um yeah, I've you know, I have been following the 616 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: different tweets and the different social media posts from some 617 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: of the favorite popular reggaet or or urbano artists, and um, 618 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 1: they have been falling short, to say the least. They 619 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: I know that you did. You wrote about you wrote 620 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,320 Speaker 1: an op ed for MSULA about the artists and Musica 621 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: Musica Rana and how they haven't been really pulling showing up. 622 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: They haven't been showing up for the Black Lives Matter movement, 623 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: and so I wanted to hear your perspective on some 624 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: of the things that the artists have said the past 625 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 1: couple of weeks or the past week, especially on Twitter. 626 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: We've had like Gotto g posting a picture of her dog. 627 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: We've had j Baldwin asking for people to educate him. 628 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: So I wanted to hear your perspective and um calling 629 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: out these artists and calling in and how they can 630 00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: be doing more. Um. Absolutely, and uh wow, where do 631 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: I even begin? Um? Right, I think that one of 632 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: the biggest fears that we're all having as a collective 633 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: is um and I certainly have it all the time 634 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: is saying the wrong thing right. People aren't right all 635 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: the time. And of course the Internet is a scary 636 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,399 Speaker 1: place where you say one thing just just left the right, 637 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: and then you know you're growing viral off of something 638 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: that you know is not in your heart and that 639 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 1: is not based off of you know, your actual beliefs 640 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: and things of that nature. So of course, UM, with 641 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: that being said, when you see a lot of hiccups, 642 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: I don't even know if I should call it a hiccup. 643 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: I'm nice, I guess, um, hiccups being done by some 644 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: of our faiths. Um the picture with Gtalgy with brutal 645 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: just to witness um bofin Bevin. Really he's really trying. 646 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: But the poor man is really he's really just you know, 647 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 1: he's flueless, and you know it speaks volumes to the 648 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,320 Speaker 1: purvis that he has that he's able to be clueless. 649 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: I wish I could be clueless. God, what I would 650 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,919 Speaker 1: prove to like not have to be able to think 651 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: about these things constantly? You get what I'm saying. So 652 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: Uma definitely, UM very grateful and shout out to the 653 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: SPA for amplifying my voice. Um, I would was able 654 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 1: to touch on a number of topics in the article, 655 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: including when I'm limited to UH, the importance of and 656 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: frassic and seen hip hop. There's note without hip hop, 657 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: and it's pretty much giving the historical context of UH, 658 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: you know, the symbol that artists love to use that 659 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: really come from hip hop and hip hop stemming back 660 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: from are being born out of the civil rights movement 661 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 1: because of injustice, um, you know, due to Jim Crawl 662 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: laws and in segregation and things of that nature that 663 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,720 Speaker 1: for black hundreds of hundreds and hundreds of years here 664 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,240 Speaker 1: in the United States, and as well as the juxtaposition 665 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: of UH, injustice towards after Letosa in Latin America, and 666 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: just how much these problems are just as much Hours 667 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,959 Speaker 1: as it is American. And you know, to be able 668 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: to profit off of these symbols really is a privilege 669 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: and a blessing. And you know, the least the really 670 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: loost that you know, our Brondo arts will do is 671 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 1: say something. And I guess I know that fear, you know, 672 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 1: everybody is pretty much posted during black Out Tuesday, the 673 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,720 Speaker 1: Black Player and and I got to you know, business 674 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: as usual, which was very heartbreaking. I don't even know 675 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 1: whose music to scream right now. Um, I had some 676 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: real playlists called Nega Bone and had to you know, 677 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: really bounce off of the artists there. I can, as 678 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: I do regularly, but not more than ever, just because 679 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: it just doesn't fear right. I'm Bob Bunny is breaking 680 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:02,800 Speaker 1: my heart now and he was just all over Rolling 681 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,760 Speaker 1: Stone in the middle of the pandemic, very active, posting 682 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 1: all the time for all kinds of things, and then 683 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden like radio silence, and people have 684 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:18,240 Speaker 1: definitely noticed and expect more. I think at this point 685 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: in our history, it seems to me like the public 686 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: expects way more from artists and um, from somebody like 687 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: that Bunny who is known to wear do rags right, 688 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: and it is very appropriative of black culture when he 689 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: performs and in his music. And is that something that 690 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: you've seen. Do you see like the public just being 691 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: have way higher expectations for celebts. Um, definitely, because you 692 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: know they're able to profit off of the symbols that 693 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 1: um it seems to be able to grow some and 694 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,359 Speaker 1: hold others back. UM. You know I saw the other day, 695 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: UM that a picture of Rosalia who had a beautiful voice. 696 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: He has a beautiful boy. She's so beautiful. It's not 697 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: attacker and her as an individual, but more so you 698 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: know the symbol that she's chees utilize. I saw a 699 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: picture of her wearing girls and I posted wow, and 700 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: someone tweeted back, well, you're really trying to say that 701 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: girls comes from black people. It's not that serious. I'm like, 702 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: it is absolutely less serious. And Panama, UM, I can 703 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: only speak to where I know in Panama, gold is 704 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,239 Speaker 1: an extremely important UM aspect of Black culture, of Astro 705 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: Panamic and culture, and UM things like respectability are things 706 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 1: that you know hold back Black Panama is from UH 707 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 1: monetary opportunities in Panamaican society. Meanwhile, we have a superstar 708 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: who has really nothing to do with that type of 709 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: UM cultural esthetic utilizing it for the UM to further 710 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: her own image and learning. It's like, you know that 711 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,879 Speaker 1: juxtaposition is extremely important to take into consideration. And as 712 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: far as Bad Bunny of you know things some things 713 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,240 Speaker 1: the time from the do ride. So I can't even 714 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: get into how long that list of is of symbols 715 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: that he's been able to utilize and profit awful. So 716 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: absolutely is something that I do see often. Yes, Okay, 717 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,040 Speaker 1: got that. So going back to my initial question, we 718 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: were talking about differents, what they had been tweeting and 719 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: support or lack thereof, and I wanted to ask you, 720 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: have you seen any artists actually do it correctly, actually 721 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: show a message of support, and it'd be like right 722 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: on the mark. Absolutely. I am very happy with Daddy 723 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: yankees response. Um, Becky g Um. I want to say 724 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,439 Speaker 1: that she surprised me. It's just more so like I'm 725 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: I'm still getting used to the fact that she's doing 726 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: now um and calling her like I'm still getting used 727 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 1: to that. But she absolutely hit the name on the 728 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 1: head Um with her past, her amount of posting on 729 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: across different platforms, and that Yankee, I'd say that that 730 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: Yankee more than any other artists, UM, definitely understands the 731 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 1: importance of showing respect to African Americans or and they're 732 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: black people in general and their play and not play 733 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: because of his music being at the forefront of the 734 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:29,399 Speaker 1: pen Latino crossover, you know, with Gasolina into the American market. Um, 735 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: it was his music that was at the forefront. It 736 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: was his collaborations that really like alaa for artists coming later. 737 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: So if anything. He definitely understands. Um, you know the 738 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,359 Speaker 1: importance of hip hop and its entirety, um and how 739 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: that helps play a throne to grow in it of itself. 740 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,799 Speaker 1: So absolutely, I'd say, becky Jee and that Yank, I'm 741 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: very proud of them. I was gonna say, you do 742 00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: a lot of posting and writing about basically the political 743 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 1: origins and energy behind reggaeton anda, and so it's is 744 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 1: it is it almost like a requirement or an obligation 745 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: or a call to action. Like if you're making this 746 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: type of music, you are doing some type of a 747 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: political work, and the expectation then is that you should 748 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:26,320 Speaker 1: be engaged and informed and tuned in and participating. Is 749 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: that like fair to say? I would say that, And 750 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,240 Speaker 1: this is a question I get often, um, simply because 751 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,280 Speaker 1: of the way that artists have been able to benefit 752 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: from these symbols, these black symbols. I will say that 753 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: because and I consider like a throne to be the 754 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:57,840 Speaker 1: manifestation of the black people. Like to group, they coincide, 755 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,879 Speaker 1: but they're not always the same thing. Um. I'd say 756 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 1: that there is political is black. Although it has essences, 757 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: it's very pop, it's largely pop. Um. So With that 758 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:17,359 Speaker 1: being said, Reggaeton Nero's thriving in Reggaeton. Do they have 759 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,280 Speaker 1: a duty to really speak up? I would say yes, 760 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,439 Speaker 1: because a lot of the essences that are utilized are 761 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,319 Speaker 1: black and come from places that are political. UM. And 762 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: it does speak volumes that they know and are aware of, 763 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, what they're comprised of and what they stand for. UM. 764 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: And it's also you know, I feel like right now 765 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,720 Speaker 1: we're at a time where we're really seeing artists, UM, 766 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 1: not really understanding that, not really understanding um, you know 767 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 1: the fact that everything that they um put out really 768 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 1: does come from a political place and really showing that 769 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,279 Speaker 1: they really don't understand and um, just the levels of 770 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,800 Speaker 1: privilege that's been been able to allow them to thrive 771 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: in this type of space, and just the positions which 772 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: has been frowned on um, you know and just thrown 773 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: to the side. UM. You know, has really been able 774 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: to other artists and really put them into a box 775 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: and further damage their careers, which I think is absolutely wrong. 776 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,799 Speaker 1: But you know, it speaks volumes to the power of 777 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 1: what I get on it. So I would say yes, 778 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: absolutely and got that with your with your work, UM, digitally, 779 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,319 Speaker 1: your writing, your interviews. UH, what is your process? Like 780 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 1: you interview a lot of these artists themselves to like 781 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,840 Speaker 1: inform the archival work that you're doing. So tell us 782 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: a little bit about your process and how you put 783 00:47:53,080 --> 00:48:00,759 Speaker 1: your project together. UM is actually an idea I had 784 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: in my door room. UM one day, I UM, well, 785 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 1: let me let me back up either from that, so 786 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: I studied communications and UM writing a whole lot of 787 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: papers on the principles and theories of communication, and to 788 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,279 Speaker 1: make it interesting, I would often throw music theory into it, 789 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 1: and of course I got to include barrel in there 790 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,000 Speaker 1: some way, somehow. I thought it was fascinating seeing how 791 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,160 Speaker 1: that ale can be UM talked about in uh academic 792 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:35,440 Speaker 1: lens and long story short, I started TOM because I 793 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 1: became pissed UM. I think it was way back when UM. 794 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 1: I was looking at a presentation that Flex did Um 795 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: Flex did Flex from Panama UM did on TV and he, 796 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, was presented as the other name that he's 797 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, he uses more commonly in Latin America, and 798 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,239 Speaker 1: it pissed me off to hell and it pretty much 799 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 1: inspired me to kind of take a step further and 800 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: create a platform on this level, and I kid you 801 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,879 Speaker 1: not UM. Once I started working, I have reached out 802 00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: to a lot of artists, but a lot of artists 803 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,479 Speaker 1: have actually actually reached out to me UM, which is 804 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 1: the one of the biggest blessings of my life. Last 805 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:23,400 Speaker 1: year I was invited to Puerto Rico by DJ Blast himself. 806 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: I was invited by Mr Greens and they're one of 807 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,920 Speaker 1: the two of my thank you and they're two of 808 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: the biggest like figures of get ton to me like that. 809 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 1: I'm such a huge fan of their work, of everything 810 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 1: that they've been able to produce, the sounds I mean, 811 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,719 Speaker 1: DJ Blast is the King of san Done. Just to 812 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,200 Speaker 1: be in his presence is that is an extreme blessing. 813 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: So my process is largely UM just thinking true to UM. 814 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,880 Speaker 1: A lot of the UM actually a lot of the 815 00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,840 Speaker 1: academic UM theories that I've been able to study in school, 816 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,759 Speaker 1: and UM really studying the work of the likes of 817 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:12,480 Speaker 1: man Um who UM wrote largely on Hindi, Regathrone and UM. 818 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 1: A lot of the breaking down a lot of the 819 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: bears that really help classify what it is that we're 820 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:25,240 Speaker 1: listening to, and it's cultural references UM and and really 821 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,080 Speaker 1: just like taking into consideration the work of people who 822 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,960 Speaker 1: you know, come before me, Like I'm a huge fan 823 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 1: of hers and really just trying to figure out how 824 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,080 Speaker 1: to create my own voice. I see a lot of 825 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:44,000 Speaker 1: respectability UM and how that UM really damages, you know, 826 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 1: the conversations that need to be had regarding this music. 827 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: UM is largely sexual and it's a lot of the 828 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 1: reason why people try to stay away from it. And UM, 829 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 1: I actually love the sexual themes that are described UM, 830 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 1: both problematic and not problematic, just simply because being able 831 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,040 Speaker 1: to analyze it and really like ask ourselves, you know, 832 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,440 Speaker 1: what are we celebrating when we dance and listen to 833 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 1: these things and and not is very interesting just to 834 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,319 Speaker 1: see it all unfold. So my process is largely just 835 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,279 Speaker 1: sticking true to what it is that I've studied, UM, 836 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,600 Speaker 1: to what I've have studied under the work of people 837 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 1: who have come before me, and UM really listening to 838 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,799 Speaker 1: these artists as they reach out to me. That's one 839 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 1: of the biggest blessings. I'll give you guys an exclusive. 840 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,200 Speaker 1: Very soon, you'll see me collaborating with none other than 841 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,120 Speaker 1: Nondo Boom. I'm very excited to work with him and 842 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,880 Speaker 1: for our listeners who want to check out that interview 843 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,239 Speaker 1: and check out that collaboration. Where can they find your 844 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:53,080 Speaker 1: work and support and amplify absolutely UM. I believe that 845 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: I will be collaborating Monando Boom live on camera due 846 00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: to the coronavirus pandemic UM. We'll be on Instagram Live 847 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 1: and I'm an interview talking about a negreton um and 848 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,879 Speaker 1: as well as you know the barriers that he's had 849 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,280 Speaker 1: to face UM creating that type of music and banama 850 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,839 Speaker 1: during the time of which it was created, because he's 851 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,280 Speaker 1: one of the founding fathers, him and Hand and Michael Ellis. 852 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm very excited Instagram Live UM, which will be on 853 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,480 Speaker 1: it's the same name across all platforms, which is my 854 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,279 Speaker 1: historical podcast. So there's a lot of different places where 855 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,520 Speaker 1: people go can go and get all all of this knowledge, 856 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:41,719 Speaker 1: this cultural education UM. And I'm wondering too, if there 857 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,520 Speaker 1: is a conversation that you think is not getting enough 858 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 1: attention right now. There's so many layers and so much 859 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,880 Speaker 1: going on globally, UM and and in all fifties states, 860 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,239 Speaker 1: but in in your point of view, is there something 861 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,640 Speaker 1: that's not quite getting enough attention that we need to 862 00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,920 Speaker 1: sort of focus in on more. I would say that 863 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: definitely something that UM isn't being addressed right now. UM. 864 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,080 Speaker 1: It's more so the white guilt UM that we're having 865 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: as a collective. UM, It's evident, and it's becoming more 866 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,600 Speaker 1: and more evident as time passes, because there's a surge 867 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,880 Speaker 1: of content UM focusing on UM after Latino artists and 868 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:26,919 Speaker 1: how they feel about Black lives matter, and it's like, well, UM, 869 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,879 Speaker 1: we had all this time to focus on them and 870 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:34,160 Speaker 1: their stories, and you know how racist UM pressures have 871 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: really formed their path into this industry and UM, you know, 872 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,279 Speaker 1: past presentent forward. But of course right now, instead of 873 00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:49,440 Speaker 1: asking white artists, hey, what space have you made or um, 874 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,120 Speaker 1: you know what collaboration collaborations have you done in order 875 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,680 Speaker 1: to amplify space? UM, instead of asking those type of questions, 876 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:02,279 Speaker 1: we're redirecting as an industry over to ACRI Latinos and 877 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,480 Speaker 1: how they feel, UM, the most vulnerable people in the industry. 878 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,840 Speaker 1: Might I add, because I mean, as we can see 879 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,520 Speaker 1: such as a unicorn, you don't see a lot of 880 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:17,719 Speaker 1: artists like such big fluffy I say, fluffy fluffy and 881 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 1: um dar skin you don't see that ever. Last chubby 882 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,120 Speaker 1: artist that's where we had was Hector and father, um, 883 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, and and he was you know, i'd say 884 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,800 Speaker 1: how about. I wouldn't call him white, but like how about. 885 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,920 Speaker 1: But the point is, um, something that's definitely not being 886 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,759 Speaker 1: addressed right now is is white guilt. And UM, I 887 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,960 Speaker 1: think that one way to really come back that is 888 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,640 Speaker 1: just being honest. It's okay to understand the fact that 889 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,720 Speaker 1: we don't know all the answers. But what's not okay 890 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:54,000 Speaker 1: staying silent, not taking action, not trying to make space, 891 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,920 Speaker 1: not you know, staying complicit, saying well it's gonna boil over, okay, 892 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,600 Speaker 1: and until the time it happens, sadly. So that's definitely 893 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,080 Speaker 1: something that's not being addressed right now. I'm thinking to 894 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:13,839 Speaker 1: like about the artists that we tend to know, like 895 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,560 Speaker 1: I would say in non Black Latin X communities, like 896 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,320 Speaker 1: we know who Annales, you know who Cla Cruz is, 897 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,840 Speaker 1: we know about like um individual artists. But you're naming 898 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,600 Speaker 1: just in this short time with us, you're naming all 899 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 1: of these fees, artistas and figures that I feel like 900 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,160 Speaker 1: a lot of the community, the non Black Latin X 901 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 1: communities have not been introduced to or who don't know 902 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,359 Speaker 1: about and I'm curious about like in your archival work 903 00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:45,960 Speaker 1: and in your journalism at that where you see those 904 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,040 Speaker 1: kinds of gaps in history or preservation and and and 905 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,440 Speaker 1: and the importance of making sure that like all of 906 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:57,240 Speaker 1: these artists are known and celebrated and documented. That's a question. 907 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:05,279 Speaker 1: Um oh man. I feel like a lot of the 908 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,880 Speaker 1: erasure started when um, then I get them started to 909 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:18,200 Speaker 1: become mainstream. I was, I mean swimming with like amounts 910 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:24,120 Speaker 1: of of of Black Angel Doo Cartier, um r g 911 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,880 Speaker 1: black um Wow. I can't think of them all of 912 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,719 Speaker 1: the top of my head, just because there was so 913 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:37,400 Speaker 1: many that I was regularly listening to lasta glory um wow. 914 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:42,400 Speaker 1: Of course rain No no Man is a king. Um 915 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,000 Speaker 1: you know. Um, there's so many artists, and I feel 916 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,120 Speaker 1: like that began to happen once I get they're making mainstream. 917 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:54,480 Speaker 1: A lot of the collaborations UM started to move from 918 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,080 Speaker 1: who's been here before too, who was hot and big now? 919 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,919 Speaker 1: And over time me just um continue to grow based 920 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,719 Speaker 1: off of that, instead of really giving respect to our 921 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,000 Speaker 1: elders um and people who have been there before us. UM. 922 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,920 Speaker 1: I say this all the time. I feel like a them. 923 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,520 Speaker 1: This industry doesn't really give respect to people who have 924 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,560 Speaker 1: come before us in comparison to hip hop. And I 925 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,320 Speaker 1: give this example all the time. I think, I believe 926 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,479 Speaker 1: it was the MTV Video Music Awards last year. Queen 927 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,440 Speaker 1: Latifa was there and I was like, Queen Latifa, I 928 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,880 Speaker 1: was like, well, she hasn't dropped music in forever. What 929 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,720 Speaker 1: are they doing. Oh, she's getting like some sort of 930 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,680 Speaker 1: iconic like you know, conic, like legendary award. Don't don't 931 00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,400 Speaker 1: quote me, I don't know the name. But the point 932 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:46,440 Speaker 1: is she was being rewarded for her efforts in this genre. 933 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,880 Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, how many years later and 934 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,360 Speaker 1: she hasn't released anything, and this is how they treat 935 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,560 Speaker 1: her with respect. We don't ever see that in our industry. 936 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,200 Speaker 1: We're too busy with who's hot and shiny now, and 937 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,200 Speaker 1: as soon as there's holiness, like you know, dolls down, 938 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:04,920 Speaker 1: we're onto the next person and the next person instead 939 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,480 Speaker 1: of giving respect to who's come before us. And of 940 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,880 Speaker 1: course there are efforts, you know, their efforts, um in 941 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,920 Speaker 1: order to give respect and things of that nature. They're 942 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,680 Speaker 1: cute Instagram captions and stuff like that, but I mean, like, 943 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,160 Speaker 1: as in the industry doesn't happen nearly enough. Um. I 944 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:24,160 Speaker 1: love that when Bunny went on live UM for Yagogana, 945 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,120 Speaker 1: when he played every single track, he shouted out caten 946 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,040 Speaker 1: and UM really educated people on how his song bete 947 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:46,200 Speaker 1: um is in reiteration of classic Yes comes class out 948 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,880 Speaker 1: to get and a lot of people don't know that, 949 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,360 Speaker 1: and they're just yeah, and they're just consuming all those music. 950 00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, y'all not really putting bridges together. And that 951 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:58,120 Speaker 1: really hurts to see, especially because I mean, I really hope. 952 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,080 Speaker 1: I mean, of course, I can imagine he's getting his 953 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,440 Speaker 1: royalties off of bed and I feel like that's the 954 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,640 Speaker 1: only way that I'm seeing a lot of respect being 955 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:10,160 Speaker 1: given through royalties on the S side. It's it's interesting 956 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,880 Speaker 1: that you point that out too, because in the US, 957 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,480 Speaker 1: in hip hop, it's such a thing to look for 958 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,040 Speaker 1: the music that's being sampled in the new stuff and 959 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:26,000 Speaker 1: looking for you know, the original song, the original be 960 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,360 Speaker 1: that the new song was derived from, and you know, 961 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:33,200 Speaker 1: pointing out where's that sort of music history and music 962 00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,200 Speaker 1: education being preserved so we can do that in this 963 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:43,040 Speaker 1: like musical answer. Yes, mm hmmm, um, definitely, And I 964 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,960 Speaker 1: feel like those due to in part to a number 965 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:51,120 Speaker 1: of different things. Um, we like to jumble everything together 966 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,880 Speaker 1: under one genre. Whereas look at hip hop, hip hop, 967 00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,840 Speaker 1: I say hip hop, but there's trapped, there's trap music, 968 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,280 Speaker 1: there's current music. You know what I'm saying. There's there's 969 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Southern rob there's there's West Coast, there's East Coast. People 970 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,440 Speaker 1: say it like it's one genre. I'm like, yo, there's farrel, 971 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:17,680 Speaker 1: there's Sundo Gail, there's Bayaka. Like. People don't want to 972 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:23,720 Speaker 1: give those different reiterations of peril their respect. And so 973 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,840 Speaker 1: going forward, what do we do? We classify everything under 974 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,640 Speaker 1: urbana and um, you know, we call things that we 975 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,840 Speaker 1: call music that isn't reggaetonton just for the sake of 976 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:36,920 Speaker 1: oh well it has you know that little bit that 977 01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,800 Speaker 1: the little reiteration of the dumbobie. I'm like, yeah, but 978 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,480 Speaker 1: the essences aren't there. And um, you know, people really 979 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:49,040 Speaker 1: don't give each of these subgenres their flowers, and it's 980 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,880 Speaker 1: hurting us in the process. So got that. Just finishing 981 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,240 Speaker 1: up our conversation today. Thank you so much for just 982 01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,760 Speaker 1: hanging with us through our tech issues and I'm difference 983 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:05,080 Speaker 1: and the pandemic and every other thing that could possibly 984 01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:14,360 Speaker 1: happen anything. It's fine. Um, where can our listeners, uh subscribe, 985 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:20,560 Speaker 1: follow and share your work? And do you have any 986 01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,920 Speaker 1: tips moving forward for how people can be like, I 987 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:29,120 Speaker 1: don't know, conscientious or culturally aware like pereo and reget 988 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:34,160 Speaker 1: consumers or makers. Um. Absolutely, UM. I would say that 989 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,000 Speaker 1: the best way to stay conscientious of um, you know, 990 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:43,560 Speaker 1: when consuming pretty much to do basic homework in regards to, 991 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, what these artists are inspired by. I would 992 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,880 Speaker 1: say that these artists do give credit in regards to 993 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,800 Speaker 1: who has inspired them, who they listened to growing up, 994 01:01:55,360 --> 01:02:00,640 Speaker 1: But sadly sometimes it ends there UM, and I feel 995 01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,040 Speaker 1: like that's irresponsible. But um, you know, of course it's 996 01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,920 Speaker 1: a lot of different factors UM influencing these artists. At 997 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,960 Speaker 1: the same time, this industry is not easy easy UM, 998 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:13,840 Speaker 1: So I'd say definitely just doing your homework on the 999 01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,480 Speaker 1: artists and what they say inspires them. That's definitely like 1000 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,480 Speaker 1: the easiest way to stay conscientious and UM, make sure 1001 01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:22,720 Speaker 1: you're like you're doing your part to give respect to 1002 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,560 Speaker 1: the people who've come before them and who influence the 1003 01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,360 Speaker 1: work of what they're doing. UM. I had tweeted the 1004 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,160 Speaker 1: other day, people don't ask themselves like was this borrowed? 1005 01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:37,120 Speaker 1: Was this stolen? Is this copied? UM? We don't ask 1006 01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:41,840 Speaker 1: ourselves that question enough. And as well as quoting Pablo Picasso, UM, 1007 01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:46,160 Speaker 1: good artists borrow, great artists steel, you know, really ask 1008 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,800 Speaker 1: ourselves what it is that we are consuming when we're 1009 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,200 Speaker 1: consuming it. That's definitely one of the most responsible ways 1010 01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:56,200 Speaker 1: to UM consume music. I would say across any genre, 1011 01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,000 Speaker 1: but you know, definitely what I get on in this case, 1012 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,040 Speaker 1: I wrote say that the best way to stay in 1013 01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:05,880 Speaker 1: touch with me UM and to keep up with what 1014 01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:11,360 Speaker 1: it is that I'm doing is to check out on Instagram, 1015 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:16,400 Speaker 1: on Twitter, on Facebook, YouTube. I try to do UM 1016 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,360 Speaker 1: get on analysis via a segment called atajo getting to 1017 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,960 Speaker 1: the bottom of UM, the analysis of these topics that 1018 01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:30,360 Speaker 1: I love talking about, and as well as my podcast 1019 01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:36,960 Speaker 1: which is UM largely historically based. All right, got that. 1020 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,120 Speaker 1: Thank you once again for joining us today on Look 1021 01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,840 Speaker 1: at our Radio and to all of our locomotives. Go 1022 01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:47,160 Speaker 1: check out all of Gotha's work all of her channels, 1023 01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,480 Speaker 1: and as always, you can tune in to Look at 1024 01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:53,000 Speaker 1: the Radio on Apple. Podcasts were on Spotify, audio Boom, 1025 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,160 Speaker 1: and SoundCloud, Hit the Venmo. 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