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This is the Jesse Kelly Show. 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Let's say there's a dude. 21 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: This dude approaches another guy start talking about various business 22 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: dealings with him, becomes his friend, good, good friend. They 23 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: do some traveling around together, checking some stuff out. One 24 00:01:54,080 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: day the man who befriended him lure him into a 25 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: home were he and a couple of his buddies execute him. 26 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: Now the dude who befriended the other guy and then 27 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: executed would you consider that a bad dude or a 28 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: good dude. We'll come back to that. Latvia. Let's discuss 29 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: a country you probably don't know much about, and guess what. 30 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the party. Here's what you need to know 31 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: for today's purposes about Latvia. An Eastern European country. Think 32 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: northwestern Russia. If Russia had an organ it would be Latvia. 33 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: That's about where she is. I realized that's a bit simplistic, 34 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: but I'm a simple man. And some of the most 35 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: undertold stories of World War two are the Eastern European 36 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: nations and the absolute horror they went through. In my opinion, 37 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: the most undertold story of World War two is the 38 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: fighting in Italy. Nobody talks about the fighting in Italy ever, 39 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: and it's some of the fiercest fighting in the entire war. 40 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: Vicious mountain fighting, Nazis dug into the mountains fighting. Everyone's 41 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: just amazing. But number two on my list as far 42 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: as underreported Eastern European nations. Try to walk, Try to 43 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: wrap your mind around. One day you are an independent nation, 44 00:03:54,880 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: a free nation. The next day you are in invaded 45 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: by Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union, and the next 46 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: day after that you're invaded by Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. 47 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: That's not a horror movie. That's how it was for 48 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: countries like Poland, who flat out got spit roasted by 49 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: the Nazis and the and the Soviets. Do you remember 50 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: that whole deal in the beginning, No, Poland didn't even 51 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: get a say. Stalin and Hitler sat down and they're like, well, 52 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: I'll take the west part and you take the east. 53 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: Sounds good, Joe, and the things that happened to those 54 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: people without a country, and and it got worse, you know, 55 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: as the war went along. First you're split up by 56 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: the by the Soviets and the Germans. Okay, this is 57 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: not good. Then they're rounding up your Jews and they're 58 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: massacring them. Then Germany's gonna push its way through and 59 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: now Germany owns the whole place. Okay, gosh, this all right? 60 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: That first we were split and now it's the Nazis. 61 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: All the Jews are dying, Gay people are dying, Handicapped 62 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: people were dying. This is not good. And then the 63 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: Soviets turned around and throw the Germans out of Russia 64 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: and go storming back through your lands. You want to 65 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: know why Poland is the way it is today? And 66 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: when I say that, I mean, do you want to 67 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: know why when all of Europe decided it was going 68 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: to take a bunch of refugees, Poland was all no, 69 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm good, and all of Europe had all those horrible 70 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: terrorist attacks, and there was Poland without any and the 71 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: European Unions threatening Poland every other day. You better take 72 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: some refugees and Polands off. Nah, I'm actually okay, thanks, 73 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: that's gonna be a note for me. You're welcome too, though, France. 74 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: Let me know how it works out. Okay. That's why 75 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: Poland of today's shaped by that time. Latvia obviously a 76 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: much smaller country, not as an important important, important, such 77 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: a jerk way to put it, not as important as Poland. Yeah, 78 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: on the world stage, not as important as Pole. I mean, 79 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: somebody out there listening right now undoubtedly has never even 80 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: heard of Latvia. You thought it existed in the movies. 81 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: It's a real place. But Latvia they got it too. 82 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: They didn't get split by the Nazis and the Soviets 83 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: in the beginning. Latvia was part of the places. It 84 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: was one of the places in the early parts of 85 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: the war. We're talking nineteen forty that the Soviets just 86 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: came in and took over. And I don't think I 87 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: need to elaborate for you how that when the Communists 88 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: go storming into your country and decide you're going to 89 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: be Communists too, It was not a soft occupation when 90 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union decided you're now part of the Soviet Union. 91 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: In fact, they flat out executed most of the military 92 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: and police officers right when they came in, ensuring that 93 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: you don't have anybody to defend you. But you know, 94 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: you know the history of it. We've talked enough about 95 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,559 Speaker 1: it on the show. The love affair between Stalin and Hitler, 96 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: whence they always hated each other anyway, Hitler hated Commies. 97 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: The love affair between Stalin and Hitler was always doomed 98 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: for failure because Hitler always had his eyes on the 99 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: Soviet Union. He hated Kamies, he wanted to occupy the 100 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: Soviet Union. Everything else was just a slow build up 101 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: to that. There it was inevitable. So the Germans starts 102 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: storming east. Well, guess what's the east of Germany? Latvia. 103 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: So Germany comes storming in, they throw out the comedies, 104 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: the Soviet Unions on their heels. They're retreating back into Russia, 105 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: trying to fight and stay alive. And see, you know, 106 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: the most vicious fighting ever. We've done a bunch of 107 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: shows on it. We'll do a bunch more. Don't worry 108 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: if you've missed them in the past. But now Latvia 109 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: finds itself occupied by the Nazis, and talk about out 110 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: of the frying pan into the fire. And Germany has 111 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: a a unique perspective on Latvia. And it's not going 112 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: to sound unique, but hear me out Hitler in the beginning. 113 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: Hitler and all his scumbags, they didn't necessarily start out 114 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: wanting to kill every Jew. That was not the goal. 115 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: They hated Jews, they were open about hating Jews, but 116 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: Hitler just wanted them out of his area. He hated them. 117 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: Now he's certainly are not going to cry in his 118 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: cheerios in the morning if you kill one. But remember, 119 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: Hitler tried mass deportation of his Jews first, and countries 120 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: are including us, We're all now we don't want them. 121 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: The black market on your black market history. It's ugly, granted. 122 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you can make all the excuses in the world, 123 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: and it's somewhat fair. I mean, hey, if we'd known 124 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: what he was gonna do when we sent them back, 125 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: we would have taken them. But the truth is Hitler 126 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: one of them gone. He just one of them gone. Period, 127 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: blamed for everything, but he really when he started taking 128 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: over these smaller Eastern European countries, smaller weaker European countries, 129 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: he really had a goal at this point in time 130 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: of making them and I quote, jew free, completely Jew free. 131 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: And that's going to get interesting. Now, let's pause in 132 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: our story for a moment and go back to Latvia 133 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: pre German occupation. That's a little overview of it. But 134 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: Latvia is a small country, and smaller countries especially have heroes. 135 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: Let's talk about a national Latvian hero in just a second. 136 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly, I'm so excited to get my new BattleBox. 137 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: And look, the truth is the kids are probably more 138 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: site in than I am, but I can't confirm that 139 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: that's that's definitely not a guarantee. I love the thing. 140 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: You'll find yourself when you go to BattleBox dot Com 141 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: with no E and you get a subscription starting to 142 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: get just thirty dollars a month. 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That's BattleBox dot Com. 150 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: Do not forget to use the promo code Jesse save yourself. 151 00:11:51,720 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: Twenty countries have their heroes, and prior to World War Two, 152 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: Latvia certainly had one, and one of theirs was a 153 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: man an aviator by the name of Herbert's Cookers. Herbert's Well, 154 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: you can look up a picture of him to this day, 155 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: and ladies, make sure you're sitting down if you do. 156 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: You want to talk about rugged, good looks h E 157 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: R b E r T s cu ku rs. He 158 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: was a celebrity, ladies man, man about town and would 159 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: I say aviator? This is an age. Remember we're still 160 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: in the I don't want to say early days of 161 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: flight because we're in the forties now. But you're a 162 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: pilot back then, that's really cool. Pilot's cool to ay right, 163 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: Pilots don't have any problems picking up chicks. Pilots pretty 164 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: cool today. It's real cool back then. And this student's 165 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: taking long flights doing cool stuff. They loved him. I 166 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: cannot emphasize this enough. National hero and Latvia guy isn't 167 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: buying many beers when he walks into the bar, and 168 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: a real intellectual type or at least tries to be, 169 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: always having different meetings, reading books with people, having Is 170 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: this one of these guys tons of friends who are Jews, 171 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: and I mean tons of them, Professors, you know that lawyers, 172 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: Quick Chris, we can make jokes, but you know he 173 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: was friends with a bunch of Jews and all see this. 174 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: It's part of the story. Russia comes storming in, he 175 00:13:55,400 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: decides he's going to collaborate with the Russians. Let's just hey, 176 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, let's go along to get along. I'm gonna, 177 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna. I'm on the Russian side. Now, I'm a Soviet, 178 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: proud to be one. All right, little snaky, real little snaky. 179 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: But okay, times are tough, scary times. Not gonna judge you. 180 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: Herbert's then the Germans come, and we need to pause 181 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: for a moment and explain what happens when Germans would 182 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: invade these Eastern European countries. When Germany would invade, they 183 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: would attempt to and always succeed enlist a certain percentage 184 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: of the local population to do much of their dirty work. 185 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: And when I say dirty work, I mean the dirtiest 186 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: of the dirty work. And to the everlasting shame of 187 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: so many people in some of these countries, there were 188 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: plenty of volunteers. That old statement, better to be at 189 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: the right hand of the devil than in his path. 190 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: It's really revealing about human nature. Nazis come storming into 191 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: your town today. You're hearing stories of atrocities they've committed 192 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: all over the world. They knock on your door, Hey, producer, Chris, 193 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: need you to come down to the office and put 194 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: on an SS patch because we want you to help 195 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: us hunt down some Jews around here. You know where 196 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: the Jews are. We needed to come hunt down from Jews. 197 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: And I know what you're saying right now, same thing, 198 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: Producer Chris Is said, absolutely not go screw yourself. Okay, 199 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: well I'm gonna shoot you and your wife and kids 200 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: in the face. Then makes that decision a little more difficult, 201 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: doesn't it. Not trying to excuse anybody who did any 202 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: of the traitorous, horrible things, but understand that's reality, that's 203 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: their reality, that's the world they're living in. Period. Couckers, though, 204 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: was special kind of scumbag. And this is me telling 205 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: you he's a special kind of scumbag. I'm the one 206 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: who makes excuses for Genghis Khan and this guy was 207 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: a special kind of scumbag. You see, Kuckers was a 208 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: man probably considered himself a survivor. Kuckers knows he's in 209 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: serious trouble with the Germans because Germans were not only 210 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: hunting down and rounding up the Jews in Latvia, they 211 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: were hunting down and rounding up all the Soviet collaborators 212 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: in Latvia. And make sure we can get rid of 213 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: that particular problem. They know about Kuckers. But Cougars steps 214 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: up and says, whoa, you don't, we got no problem here. 215 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: I actually hate Jews too. I'll be I'll do your 216 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: Nazi thing and some of the Nazi thing. The y 217 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: AdSense groupie, that's the that was the German group responsible 218 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: for purging Jews as they moved east through Russia. Part 219 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: of their thing was they really wanted the local population, 220 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: not just because they knew the who's who and what's what, 221 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: it's because it gave them great plausible deniability. You know, 222 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: you have so much separation. I didn't shoot all those Jews. 223 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: Talk to the Laffians. They were the ones killing them. 224 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: Never let anybody tell you the Germans the Nazis didn't know. 225 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: What they were doing was very very wrong and would 226 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: be looked at very poorly. There there's documentation extensively. They 227 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: knew throughout the war. Okay, we're to kill all these Jews, 228 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: but we've really got to cover this up here. They 229 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: knew what would happen if the world found out they 230 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: knew they were doing evil. So Herbert's signs up. The 231 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: Nazis take him in Now, maybe, just maybe you can 232 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: excuse a man for signing up with the Nazis to 233 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: try to save his life. I certainly hope I wouldn't 234 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: be that man. I hope you wouldn't be that man 235 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: or woman. But you can see it right, gun to 236 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: your head here, gun to your kid's head. Join or 237 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: dive this. It's okay, It's at least a difficult decision. 238 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: You don't necessarily have to approach the jew killing with 239 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: quite the passion of Herbert's. Herberts was not a man 240 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: ashamed of what he was doing. Shoulders slumped, going all 241 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: over town just kind of following orders, but doing the 242 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: bare minimum, be sneaking out a kid or a woman 243 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: every now and then so they don't get killed. Herbert's 244 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: decides he's going to go all in. Remember all those 245 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: Jewish frenzy had shows the Nazis where all of them are, 246 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: had a bunch of Jewish neighbors hiding out. Herberts knew 247 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: where they were, Show the Nazis where they were. The 248 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: Nazis begin gathering the Jews in ghettos. Now you hear 249 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: a lot of ghetto talk when it comes to World 250 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: War two and the Holocaust, just know a ghetto was 251 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: simply the crappy part of town. The Nazis would stash 252 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: all the Jews in and put barbed wire up around it. Now, 253 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: why did they do this, Well, that question gets a 254 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: little interesting. They didn't always know for sure. They knew 255 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: they wanted the Jews gone. They didn't know whether they 256 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: were going to end up deporting them all, slaughtering them all, 257 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: working them all to death as slave labor. They just knew, 258 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: we need to gather them all up here for whenever 259 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: we decide what we're going to do with them. That's 260 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: why you gather up all the Jews in a ghetto somewhere. 261 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: They got their own ghetto in Latvia. Herbert's was more 262 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: than happy to patrol and kill. At this point in time, 263 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: he takes in a Jewish woman into his home. You 264 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: can read some things that call her his wife. Let's 265 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: just clarify something. This woman was not his wife. Even 266 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: if he called her his wife. She was forced to 267 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: exist in a pretty rough world. I'll let you use 268 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: your imagination. Had his children and such very rough world. 269 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: Pay the lady the respect she deserves. This is not 270 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: some lady who was gushing over her Herbert's and eventually 271 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: the Nazis have to make a decision. There's actually a 272 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: huge argument in the German part. In Germany at this 273 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: time what to do with the Jews, as in their 274 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: economy is hurting and they have a huge war machine, 275 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of materials and things needed. You need bodies 276 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: able to work it. And where are you all? Where 277 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: are all your young men when you're at war? They're 278 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: out fighting. Hang on. Simply Safe provides outstanding home security 279 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: with no contract. Let me say that again, Simply safe 280 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: provides outstanding home security with no contract. 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Do we just separate the men 298 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: out from the women because we want them working, kill 299 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: all the men and women and children and then work 300 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 1: them into death. And these are these are conversations they had, 301 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: We have communications about that. It is. It is amazing 302 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: how cold that is. And I'm not somebody who's uncomfortable 303 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: with death and war and things like that. It's just 304 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: I understand that you read this stuff in your jaw drops. 305 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: They were just they were just numbers. They were treated 306 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: like rats. I kill them work No, No, let's work 307 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: them to death, don't It's amazing. Eventually they decide, you know, 308 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and just kill a bunch of them. 309 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: And part of the reason the Nazis were so evil. 310 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's part of the reason they're considered to 311 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: be the most evil but in the minds of many people, 312 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: it's not their ideology. It's not just their ideology. It's 313 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: not just that they killed Jews and Gypsies and all 314 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: these others. It's because they were good at it. It's 315 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: because they were German about it, calculating, thoughtful. You you're 316 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: bringing in scientists and engineers to figure out the best 317 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: way to do it. Chris and I've had this talk 318 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 1: on and off the air before. If you look at 319 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: the things isis did they are easily on par with 320 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: Nazis for most evil people in history? I would say 321 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: they surpassed them, but they weren't nearly as good at it. 322 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: Didn't have the money, did now, the resources, did now, 323 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: the they just didn't have it at A lot of 324 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: this is capability. And the Germans went hunting around Latvia 325 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: for the good place to kill Jews. Latvia has a 326 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: bunch of marshes, has some open areas, and they of 327 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: course located the perfect place to kill a bunch of Jews. 328 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: It was a thick forest, so we don't need everybody 329 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: looking at what we're doing. And they even tested out 330 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: the soil and found it was great soil to dig 331 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: mass graves gosh, does that not make you sick? And 332 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: it was called the rumballa massacre. They began clearing out 333 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: the ghetto and guess who was there, organizing things, shooting people, 334 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: pointing things out. Good old former friend of the Jews, 335 00:25:53,560 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: Herbert Herbert's. They marched these people at eighteen degrees six miles, men, women, children, 336 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: pregnant people. They even tell them to bring luggage with 337 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: them so they'll be less nervous because the Jews obviously 338 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: knew what had happened in other places. It's called the 339 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: rumballa massacre. And I'm not going to dwell on it 340 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: today because, believe it or not, it's not even about 341 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: what the day's really about. But it's it's a it's 342 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: an ugly tale. It's exactly what you'd think. All told 343 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty seven, twenty nine, thirty thousand Jews roughly 344 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: are slaughtered in mass in Latvia, buried in mass graves, 345 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: and good old Herbert's Cougars is right there in the 346 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: middle of the action, directing it, participating in it personally. 347 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: And here's the thing about Herberts. Everyone knows who he is. 348 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: Isn't that bizarre to think of think of somebody who 349 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: would be nationally recognized now across the country, some about anybody. 350 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: It's Oprah. It would be on par with Oprah participating 351 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: in massacres. Everybody knows who you are, and there are 352 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: going to be survivors. The Soviets knew who he was, 353 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: the Germans did, everybody in Latvia did they know who 354 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: this guy is? He's a celebrity participates. Now fast forward 355 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: a little bit, war ends. Germany loses, and understandably Old 356 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: Herbert's Cougars wants to get out of town because the 357 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: world is finding out now about the horrors of the 358 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: Holocaust and they are understandably upset and wanting to hold 359 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: somebody to account for it. War crimes, childs, you know 360 00:27:54,200 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: about all of them. Herberts makes his way to the 361 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: Catholic Church and gets a visa to go to Brazil. 362 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: Now I am not indicting the Catholic Church. Don't call 363 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: and scream at me. Catholics eight seven seven three seven 364 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: seven four three seven three eight seven seven three seven 365 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: seven four three seven three. He did sell them on 366 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: a Billy Goods. There's a lot of rumor out there 367 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: about things that Catholic Church did during the war post 368 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: war things that are ugly, and in fact, we'll dig 369 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 1: into that one time, because you know, I love just 370 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: getting controversial on the show. Let's just get screamed at today. However, 371 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: that's not what I'm doing here. Herbert's walks into the 372 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,959 Speaker 1: Catholic Church. They obviously, I mean, by all accounts, they 373 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: had no idea what he had been doing. And he 374 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: tells them, I mean Latvia, the Soviets have taken back over. 375 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: Now they're persecuting me from my Christianity. Catholic Church is powerful, wealthy. 376 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: They're like, well, let me help you get out of town, Herberts. 377 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: And to be clear, to be clear, he did not 378 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: use a false name. He gets out of town, they 379 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: get him to Brazil, and get this, they get him 380 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: to Brazil with the Jewish woman that was his slave. 381 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: For lack of a better way to put it, Herberts 382 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: gets to Brazil, does not change his name there either, 383 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: and settles down. He's, you know, still being mister aviator. Now, 384 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: let's set this story aside for just a brief moment 385 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: and go to Israel. Israel, as you know, coming up 386 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: in the ranks, starting to become a thing now and 387 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: as Israel becomes its own nation as they try to 388 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: find their footing. The Arab world hated them, hates them. 389 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: They have to fight these wars. They have to figure 390 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: out how to handle their internal security, how to handle 391 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: their external security. Their internal security, by the way, is 392 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: it's called shin bet. Think of that like their FBI. 393 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: Their external security is MASSAD. That's the CIA of Theirs. 394 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: It's the second largest intelligence gathering agency in the world, 395 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: next to the CIA. Massad is no joke. And they 396 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: are working out on top of how to deal with 397 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: the Palestinians, the Egyptians, the Jordanians. They're trying to figure 398 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: out how to deal with all these countries who hate them, 399 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: treaties here, assassinations there, figure out how to handle their 400 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: external policy. They're also wrestling with how to handle former Nazis, 401 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: what to do, what not to do. It is an 402 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: argument in Israel, let's hunt them down, let's arrest them, 403 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: let's just let's hunt them down and murder them all. No, 404 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: we can't do that, because israel Is they're in a 405 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: delicate situation. They know lots of the world hates them, 406 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: and countries understandably get a little bit upset when you 407 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: go marching into their borders and executing somebody there. Don't 408 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: think you can do that stuff just like they do 409 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: in the movies without consequence, even with allies. Britain can't 410 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: just send an assassin over here to kill somebody within 411 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: our borders without getting that cleared with us first. That's 412 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: going to be an issue. But they are extremely invested 413 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: in hunting down these Nazis, understandably so, and bringing them 414 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: to justice. I'm reading this outstanding book right now. Highly 415 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: recommend you read it called Rise and Kill First. I 416 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: forget who the author is. Oh well, I just plugged 417 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: this book anyway, Rise and Kill First. It's about the 418 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: establishment of Israel and their their assassination programs and things 419 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: like that. What was his name, Chris Ronan Bergmann, I 420 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: guess is the author's name. They have decisions to make. 421 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: They're hunting down Nazis. They want some of these guys dead, 422 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: and Germany while Germany is making some mistakes. Hang on, 423 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: You're never completely ready to adopt a teen for a 424 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: late night's writing. 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Post World 443 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: War Two, Germany was understandably wrestling with exactly how to 444 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: address what they were going through and in their defense. 445 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: Think about having to actually address that. Think about being 446 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: discovered that your nation just committed the worst genocide in 447 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: the history of mankind and was led by an antichrist. 448 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: Think about what you go through as your national pride. 449 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: What does that do to your national pride? We did whatnot? 450 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: And how much do you address it? How far do 451 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: you go? Okay, say sorry, all right, well sorry, it's 452 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: not enough. Okay, do this. I don't know what it 453 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 1: would be difficult, right, It's not like you can give 454 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: six million Jews their lives back. I don't even know 455 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: how many Russians. I think it's twenty million. It's something absurd. 456 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 1: The polls, oh gosh, didn't get better in Poland. How 457 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 1: I sympathize is what I'm saying. I sympathize. And how 458 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: long do you let the rest of the world come 459 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: after your citizens? And I know what you're saying, but 460 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: they were Nazis. You're right, they are Nazis. They were Nazis. 461 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: I get that. Yeah, but okay, forever to Germany's struggling 462 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: with it, Israel understandably is highly invested in getting rid 463 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: of this statue of limitations thing. And I'll tell you 464 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 1: it was a worldwide controversy. The world was all over 465 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: Germany saying, hey, whoa, whoa. I don't want to hear 466 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: a statue of limitations. And we're talking the sixties. That 467 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: we're in the sixties here. Now that's twenty years after 468 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: the war's over. Massad Israeli leadership decide they need to 469 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: send a message. They need to send a message not 470 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: just the Germany, but to the world that there are 471 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: still monsters out there that need to be held accountable. 472 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: They get the idea to go kill Herberts, not arrest, 473 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 1: go kill Herberts. So they put together this plan straight 474 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: out of the spy movies. They have to figure out 475 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: how to get to him, so they remember, Massada is 476 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: outstanding at this. They use people that you would never 477 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:56,160 Speaker 1: think they can use. They used a German born guy 478 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: one of their agents. He was German born and both 479 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: of his parents had been killed in the Holocaust, so 480 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: he was, needless to say, uniquely invested in getting some justice. 481 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: And he decides to disguise himself as a businessman, a 482 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:18,280 Speaker 1: businessman who will give Herberts some fame and fortune. Again 483 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: shows up in Brazil and makes himself Herbert's buddy. They're friends. 484 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: He wants to start this travel company. However, they do 485 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: have one problem. For political reasons. They do not want 486 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: to kill Herbert's in Brazil, they want to kill him 487 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: somewhere else. So you really have to get to know 488 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 1: a guy, and they got to know him real well. 489 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: Eventually they lured him to Uruguay, where they led him 490 00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: into a house. Massage agents were waiting for him, and 491 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: Herbert's never came out. In case you were wondering if 492 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: Israel tried to hide this, this was the statement they 493 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: sent to media outlets in South America and Germany before 494 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: the body was discovered. Quote. Taking into consideration the gravity 495 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: of the charge leveled against the accused, namely that he 496 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: personally supervised the killing of more than thirty thousand men, 497 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: women and children, and considering the extreme display of cruelty 498 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: which the subjects showed when carrying out his tasks, the 499 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: accused Herbert's Cougars is hereby sentenced to death. Accused was 500 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: executed by those who can never forget on the twenty 501 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: third of February nineteen sixty five. His body can be 502 00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: found at Cassa Kubertiny, Calais, Colombia, Septima Si Cione Dell 503 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: Departmentalo del Canalonez, Montevideo, Uruguay, he's dead. This is why, 504 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: here's where you can come pick up the body. That 505 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: is so sweet. I'm sorry, that's really cool. I don't 506 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: care who you are. That's cool. So way back to 507 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: the beginning of the show. You remember the beginning of 508 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: the show. Is that murder? Is that murder? Maybe hard 509 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 1: to answer because I mean, who roots for the nazis right? 510 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: Who's gonna who's gonna pull for Old Herbert's here? The 511 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: truth is, there's this way of thinking out there. I'm 512 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: gonna be as delicate as possible here, but there's this 513 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: way of thinking out there that is absurdly naive and wrong. 514 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: You know what that way of thinking is? Hang on, 515 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 1: I'll explain it. Had an outstanding night's sleep last night, 516 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: thanks again to EBB Sleep. And once you start sleeping, 517 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,760 Speaker 1: you realize how terrible you felt when you weren't sleeping. 518 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: You can get in a fog, you can be not 519 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,359 Speaker 1: sleeping for so long that you just accept that's how 520 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: you're supposed to feel. It's not how you're supposed to feel, 521 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: and you don't have to accept it. EBB Sleep is 522 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: a wearable device, not pills. It's not another new mouthpiece 523 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: or a new pillow. It's a wearable device. You put 524 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: it on your head. It applies precise, continuous cooling to 525 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: your forehead area, putting you asleep faster in keeping you asleep. 526 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: Go get yourself an EBB Sleep. They're letting you try 527 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: it risk free, risk free for sixty days. Go to 528 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: trieb dot com slash jesse. That's triebb dot com slash jesse. 529 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 1: Don't forget to use the promo code Jesse at checkout 530 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:45,760 Speaker 1: for twenty five bucks off. I hear this all over 531 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: the place. Violence is never the answer. Yes it is. 532 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,799 Speaker 1: That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of in my life. 533 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:07,720 Speaker 1: Of course it is. Do you know what your little 534 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: son needs to do when he's being bullied in school 535 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: to solve the problem, He needs to ball up his 536 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:21,760 Speaker 1: fist and smash it into somebody's face. I don't love that. 537 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: That's life. That's how life works. Telling little Timmy to 538 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 1: go tattle is going to make his life twice as 539 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: worse as twice as bad as it already was. Do 540 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: you know how you stop Nazis? You shoot them in 541 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: the face. I don't love that. That's life. Violence is 542 00:42:45,960 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: never the answer. God, grow up the Jesse Kelly Show. 543 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 1: On The Jordan Harbinger Show, you'll hear amazing stories from 544 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: people that have lived them, from spies to CEOs, even 545 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 1: an undercover agent who infiltrated the Gambino crime family. You're 546 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: about to hear a preview of The Jordan Harbinger Show 547 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 1: with Jack Garcia, who did just that. My career was 548 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 1: twenty four out of twenty six years was solely dedicated 549 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,359 Speaker 1: working on the cover. I walk in. I'm in the bar. 550 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,320 Speaker 1: How there's a bar made dad, good looking, young lady 551 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: see serving me. Joey, Hey, what would you like? I 552 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: usually my frank was give me a kettle, one martini, 553 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: three olives, class of order on the side. I finished 554 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 1: the drink, the guys come in. I'm gonna go go 555 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: in my pocket, take out the big wad of money 556 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: I am. I give her one hundred hours. If you're 557 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: with the mob, I say, hey, Jordan, you're on record 558 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: with us. That means we protect you. Nobody could shake 559 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 1: you down. We could shake it down, So you're on 560 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: record with us. For more on how Jack became so 561 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: trusted in the highest levels of the Gambino organization, check 562 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,799 Speaker 1: out episode three ninety two. Of the Jordan Harbinger Show