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Speaker 2: Caught over the medal. Michael Pittman Junior.

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Speaker 6: Welcome in the Official Colts Podcast. If Jeffrey Forman normally

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Speaker 6: sitting here miss Lera Olberton, but she is on a

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Speaker 6: and of course always our man JJ Stankovitz. This year,

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Speaker 6: colts work today, work today, work today. Finally put the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is one of those situations where

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Speaker 6: Network and colts dot Com JJ, I want to start

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you've got that a lot this week. Ben

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Speaker 3: So we're here at the NFL Combine, talking draft, talking

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Speaker 4: I think that you've seen that level of talent from him.

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Speaker 4: So go for it, Richardson, who could have been that

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Speaker 4: And I thought that that Q kind of coming off

434
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Speaker 4: his foot injury, wasn't as good as he had been

435
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Speaker 4: in the past. I thought he took a nice step

436
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Speaker 4: back this year. Bernard Raymond took a big step forward.

437
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Speaker 4: Like the offensive line was one of the big questions

438
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Speaker 4: for me coming into the season, and I think that

439
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Speaker 4: by the end of the year, you checked a lot

440
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Speaker 4: of those boxes. Right, They're good about that, Okay. I

441
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Speaker 4: think Josh Dollens was kind of like what you wanted

442
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Speaker 4: to see from him. And then defensively, man like, I mean,

443
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Speaker 4: they were scraping it together kind of with youth and

444
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Speaker 4: with injury, but high sack production and the secondary kind

445
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Speaker 4: of settled into a decent spot, like they had a

446
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Speaker 4: formula last year when it was good enough that Gardner

447
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Speaker 4: Minshew as backup quarterback, right solid backup? Is it your

448
00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,480
Speaker 4: team that's over five hundred, your team that's posted for

449
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Speaker 4: the postseason. So if you took a healthy Rigison and

450
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Speaker 4: dropped him into just that environment, then you know that

451
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Speaker 4: there would have been clearly enough to see last year

452
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Speaker 4: it's like, all right, Colt should be aggressive, Colts should win.

453
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Speaker 4: Now it's a little bit more tenuous because he's coming

454
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Speaker 4: off the injury and you don't know if you're going

455
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Speaker 4: to get eight sacks from every single defensive player right right.

456
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Speaker 4: You know, that's a tough thing about the NFL. We

457
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Speaker 4: like to think development is linear. We like to think

458
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Speaker 4: that that what happened last year is going to stay,

459
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Speaker 4: and it doesn't. But they should, They, in my opinion,

460
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Speaker 4: should have enough date off of last year and the

461
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Speaker 4: performance of some of the ancillary pieces to say we

462
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Speaker 4: should be aggressive in Richardson's window.

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Speaker 3: Benjamin Solk from The Ringer is our guest. All right,

464
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Speaker 3: So if you're your Colts fan, or you're somebody who

465
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Speaker 3: wants the Colts to do well, give me a win now,

466
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Speaker 3: move that aggressive move like your dream scenario, knowing the

467
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Speaker 3: NFL landscape the way you do, knowing how the Cults

468
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Speaker 3: are positioned the way you do. What's that dream scenario move?

469
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Speaker 3: Just like one move that the cults could potentially make.

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Speaker 4: Go to Lagarious Sneeds agent with a blank check whatever,

471
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Speaker 4: how there are many zeros you want in this check

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Speaker 4: in and go for it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: I think that that you had flashes from Juju Bruns

475
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Speaker 4: and you have fas flashes from Jen Jones and Dallas.

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Speaker 3: Dallas Flowers to Parker before his high school.

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Speaker 4: My almost his name always throws me because he doesn't spell

478
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Speaker 4: it like Dallas, so I think I'm pronouncing it wrong.

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Speaker 2: Right, You had moments of these young guys.

480
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Speaker 4: But corner is a position man where like you know,

481
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Speaker 4: you'll have flashes and then a guy will lose his confidence.

482
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Speaker 4: It's such a mercurial spot if you can get like

483
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Speaker 4: a kind of known commodity all on the friger market,

484
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Speaker 4: and Lagarious need is like known to be one of

485
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Speaker 4: the top press man corners in the league period. If

486
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Speaker 4: you can do that, that allows you to just stop

487
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Speaker 4: thinking about half the field and is to only pay

488
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Speaker 4: attention to the other half. And that's such a huge relief.

489
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Speaker 4: And I think Gus Bradley likes to let his corners live,

490
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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. They'll put a deep safety

491
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Speaker 4: back there and say, you know, you got to handle

492
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Speaker 4: your third. You gotta handle your half of the field.

493
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Speaker 4: You got to handle your man. And so to me,

494
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Speaker 4: like if they had a lot more stability at corner

495
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Speaker 4: and they had a veteran that I really trusted to

496
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Speaker 4: at least to get his half of the job done,

497
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Speaker 4: a lot better about the youth in their room and

498
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Speaker 4: the floor of that defense.

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Speaker 3: Tell me about the wide receiver market. I remember having

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Speaker 3: this conversation with Robert Mays from the Athletic during training

501
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Speaker 3: camp or he just sort of like, all the wide

502
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Speaker 3: receiver movement is almost like done. Like you had Aj

503
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Speaker 3: Brown move, you had DeVante Adams Whoul, even Tyreek Hill move.

504
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Speaker 3: But like a lot of those guys who are coming

505
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Speaker 3: up on their second third contracts have have found their spots. Yeah,

506
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Speaker 3: is this a year where that maybe resets and there's

507
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Speaker 3: more movement at wide receiver or is it like, hey,

508
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Speaker 3: we got player X, there is no shot we're giving

509
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Speaker 3: him up and We're going to try to find a

510
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Speaker 3: way to keep him here, you know, long term. I

511
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Speaker 3: think once the cat balloons the way he did this year,

512
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Speaker 3: and you said there's a lot more space than teams expected,

513
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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty five million, I think it's the

514
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Speaker 3: figure now. I think you'll see a lot of that

515
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Speaker 3: money go to securing wide receiver deals the Colts. I

516
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Speaker 3: want to find out what life is like without Michael Bittman, right,

517
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Speaker 3: he's been the guy from the last few years. Bengals

518
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Speaker 3: with te Higgins, like even they put him on the tag.

519
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Speaker 3: I think that, like you know, they'd trade him for

520
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Speaker 3: a Godfather package, but they don't want to move off

521
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Speaker 3: of him. There's no reason to. You look at the

522
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Speaker 3: teams that have been successful deep postseason runs the last

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Speaker 3: couple of years.

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Speaker 4: You got to pass catchers or Patrick Mahomes, that doesn't count.

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Speaker 4: You gotta two pass catches. You gotta have Aj Brown

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Speaker 4: and Devonte s Matth. You gotta Jamar Chase, Anti Higgins,

527
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Speaker 4: you gotta have Deebo Samuel and Brandan and George Kittle,

528
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Speaker 4: you gotta you have to have multiple guys here. And

529
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Speaker 4: so for a lot of these top names in the

530
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Speaker 4: wide receiver market. Calvin Ridley with the Jaguars. You know, Pittman, Higgins,

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Speaker 4: I don't think you want to find out what life

532
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Speaker 4: is like losing that guy. So if you have a

533
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Speaker 4: few extra million in the piggy bank, you don't expect

534
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Speaker 4: to have I'd be putting that on the wide receiver

535
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Speaker 4: contract to secure him. So I don't think we see

536
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Speaker 4: a lot of top tier wide receiver movement this year.

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Speaker 1: Now with you talk about the contracts with wide receivers.

538
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Speaker 1: We heard it from Chris Ballard. It's kind of like

539
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Speaker 1: the price of gas. You pay it because that's what

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Speaker 1: it is. And do you envision kind of the league

541
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Speaker 1: kind of just following that same sentiment, is that that's

542
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Speaker 1: what the price of playing right now is because it

543
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Speaker 1: is such a pass heavy league, and you just kind

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Speaker 1: of you mentioned with a guy like Michael.

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Speaker 5: Pittman, you just pay it because you got to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a I think the answer is yes, I

547
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Speaker 4: expect this to continue happening. It's a little bit of

548
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 4: a bubble in a market, right, Okay, Like we can

549
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Speaker 4: all acknowledge that this isn't like you know, this is inflated,

550
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Speaker 4: like this is a lot of money, but and you're

551
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 4: gonna do You're not you got you gotta have wide receivers,

552
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Speaker 4: and you used to need two of them, and I

553
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 4: need three of them. Right, You're gonna put three guys

554
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 4: out in the field, and you're gonna rotate these guys.

555
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Speaker 4: You have to have young guys in the hopper.

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Speaker 2: And so it's true.

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Speaker 4: That there's a ton of wide receiver talent in the draft,

558
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Speaker 4: and there's a ton of wide receiver talent in every draft.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be the case for forever.

560
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Speaker 4: So many more guys are playing the position, so whny

561
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Speaker 4: more different body types. College teams are so much better

562
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Speaker 4: at throwing the ball to these two. There's always gonna

563
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Speaker 4: be a wide receiver to draft. You should leave every

564
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Speaker 4: year with a third round pick, just like go get

565
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Speaker 4: a guy, see big guy, fast guy, a.

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Speaker 2: Small guy who can do something.

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Speaker 4: But that's because there's just such a demand for good

568
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Speaker 4: pass catchers and again bringing up bridges in his development.

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Speaker 4: It is impossible to bring along a young quarterback without

570
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Speaker 4: good pass catchers who cannot be done. And so you

571
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Speaker 4: got to fill the hopper with them. And so I

572
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Speaker 4: think the leads them keep paying for them. I think

573
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Speaker 4: they're gonna keep drafting them, and they're gonna do that

574
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Speaker 4: for a while, and at some point this bubble will burst.

575
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Speaker 4: Somebody else's job to figure out when, not me. That's

576
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Speaker 4: what GM's I paid for.

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Speaker 3: Benjamin, You're someone who I really enjoyed the way you

578
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 3: think about the league. The hot red column you do

579
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 3: on the Ringer is really good. The stuff you do

580
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 3: for you know, the ring An NFL show is really good.

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Speaker 3: What is something that is kind of entrenched in and

582
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Speaker 3: felt group think that makes you feel like you're taking

583
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Speaker 3: crazy pills.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there's an interesting question. I think.

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Speaker 4: I think I'll say this. I don't mean it, but

586
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Speaker 4: I'll say it. I think that like pass rushes is

587
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 4: very overrated. I think that, like I think Gus as example,

588
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Speaker 4: GUS like four down rush and this is how we

589
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 4: live in, this is how we go for I think

590
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Speaker 4: that the teams that live by a four run down

591
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 4: rush the good off its coach and leagues. It figured

592
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Speaker 4: out how to kill you on that, right, They figured out, Okay,

593
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 4: if you're gonna put four down every single play, we

594
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 4: know how to work around us. We know how to

595
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 4: find the gaps in the running game. We know how

596
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Speaker 4: to manipulate your edge rushers right when you when you

597
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 4: run into these Shanahans and these Matt Leafloor's right, they

598
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 4: can they can circle your top edge rusher and say,

599
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Speaker 4: we're gonna run reverses and counters and polls and sweeps anything,

600
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Speaker 4: and we're just gonna we're never gonna even block this guy.

601
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Speaker 4: We're just gonna make his life aheady, We're gonnaull him

602
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Speaker 4: this way, in that way and everything. I think that

603
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 4: you have to be a lot more multiple in your fronts.

604
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Speaker 4: And that's hard to do because when you choose that,

605
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Speaker 4: when you say, okay, we're gonna be multiple, w and

606
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Speaker 4: to put five guys down and four guys down and

607
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 4: use college fronts and change the perspectives. What you're saying,

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Speaker 4: what you're accepting, is I can't just let my four

609
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Speaker 4: down dudes, get off the ball, one gap go now.

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Speaker 4: Anybody listening is screaming, Hey, Jim Schwartz and the Browns

611
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 4: are the best defensive league this year. Hey, you know

612
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 4: Quity pay at eight and a half sacks, said daylight

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Speaker 4: Angbo samsabcom, And you're absolutely right. It's just it that

614
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 4: defense can be so good for you for the first

615
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 4: seventeen weeks of the year, and then you get to

616
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Speaker 4: the postseason, you run into a good offensive coach and

617
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 4: he waxes you for four quarters. And so to me,

618
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 4: like the league loves and defensive coaches love to bake

619
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Speaker 4: and put our four down. We're the one gap aggressive

620
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 4: of field. We're gonna disrupt and it's like yeah, like

621
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Speaker 4: it beats twenty five of the thirty two teams, but

622
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Speaker 4: eventually gonna run a one of the seven and then

623
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Speaker 4: they're gonna they're gonna take you for a ride. And

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Speaker 4: so I'm very I'm very big right now on like

625
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 4: you know, Mike McDonald nonsense and Brian Fluores nonsense, do

626
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 4: weird stuff up front. You have to be able to

627
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 4: create chaos. You have to be able to to fool

628
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Speaker 4: one of these elite coaches for long enough to steal

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Speaker 4: a win from them.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, Ben, thanks for joining us here on

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Speaker 3: the Cold Taudio Network. We'll keep reading and listening to

632
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Speaker 3: you over at The Ringer.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Thanks guys, gentlemen. Great stuff with Ben Souleick. Thank you, sir,

635
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 6: from The Ringer, talking about what we're looking forward to

636
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Speaker 6: in this draft and the upcoming twenty twenty four season.

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Speaker 6: That was kind of fun down at the combine. I'm

638
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Speaker 6: I mean, we didn't exactly eat like kings, but you

639
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 6: did a couple of nights. We were there during the day.

640
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Speaker 6: One night you were over in a nice establishment, maybe

641
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Speaker 6: Prime or Saint Elmo's or something. Tell me about that again.

642
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 6: I love this, So please preach to the heavens on this.

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Speaker 6: You do this every combine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, every combine. My friends who I used to cover

645
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 3: the Bears with, we all get together for the it's

646
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: the Jeff Dickerson Memorial dinner. Yeah, Jeff Dickerson, the former

647
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Speaker 3: ESPN Bear supporter did it forever passed away from colon

648
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 3: cancer two years ago. But every year at the combine,

649
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: jd would get all the Bears media together and we

650
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 3: get a big table at Saint Elmo's. We'd get a

651
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: bunch of wine and we get steak, and we would

652
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 3: just have a great time and we wouldn't really talk about,

653
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: you know, the Bears, our jobs. It was just, you know,

654
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: let's hang out and have some fun. We're all away

655
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 3: from our families, so we, you know, do that every year.

656
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 3: I'm glad I still get an invite even though I'm

657
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,719
Speaker 3: no longer on the Bears beat, but yeah, I had

658
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 3: a blast doing that. Jeff Joniac the Bears play by

659
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 3: play announcers, just holding court the whole time, telling stories.

660
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 3: You had a really great night and then wound up

661
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 3: at Prime, which was you know, late night, late night

662
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: Prime at the NFL Combine. For anyone who doesn't.

663
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 6: Know who's who really sometimes did you see some faces there?

664
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 3: I walk in there and I saw Ellen Robinson. N

665
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 3: seen a Robin about five years said high to him. Uh,

666
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 3: he was doing some stuff for serious XMS. He was

667
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: in town. Just miss John Fox at Prime apparently.

668
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 6: Former coach coach yep, uh huh.

669
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 3: But for for people who don't know, if you've never

670
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: been out on a Wednesday of the NFL Combine at

671
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 3: Prime forty seven Downtown, when they're done with dinner service,

672
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 3: so about ten o'clock, probably all the tables go away

673
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: and it just turns into a standing room only shoulder

674
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: or shoulder bar full of NFL media, coaches, scouts, executives,

675
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 3: apparently players like Alan Robinson, and it is a great time.

676
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: You just you nurse that light beer. I had about

677
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 3: half a Corp's light. Sure you did I. That's that's correct.

678
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 3: I had about half a corps light.

679
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 6: I saw you the next morning. You were soaked, So

680
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 6: I don't know. I'm just saying.

681
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 3: That was before I got to Prime of Jesus, But no,

682
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: it was.

683
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 6: It was.

684
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: It's a good time. It's always good, you know, catching

685
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: up with friends.

686
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 6: Absolutely.

687
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: That's the thing with the NFL Combine too that I

688
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: love is you know we're we're in Radio Row, which

689
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 3: is right by where the podiums are, the player podiums,

690
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: and then the media room is. It's like a thousand

691
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 3: step walk right right away, and then the Starbucks at

692
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: the JW is another like fifteen hundred steps. So on

693
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 3: those walks, I'll say, hey, I'm gonna go go get

694
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 3: a coffee, you want anything. I'll be back forty five

695
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: minutes later because I ran into three people in the

696
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: roadway who I had to chat with after. You know,

697
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you're talking about, you know, what

698
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: are the Bears doing with Justin Fields? Or you know,

699
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: how are things going with the Eagles, or you know

700
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: what's going on with the Titans. Like you just get

701
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: these conversations. You learn a lot from not just the

702
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: Radio Row interviews right from just the conversations you have

703
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 3: in the hallway Mediana Convention Center.

704
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 6: Well done to you. Heads off to Jeff Dickerson, a

705
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 6: young man who was great at his job and left

706
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 6: us too soon. Great tradition that you guys are doing

707
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 6: at the combine. Casey, here's what I loved about the

708
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 6: combine watching you old court a little bit, oh boy,

709
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 6: because you know, next to us was the Steelers. We

710
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 6: had the Jags around us, the Titans are right there,

711
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 6: the Jets are and Raiders are behind us and stuff.

712
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 6: But what I liked about it is all the personnel

713
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 6: from each team, ours included. We all put our general

714
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 6: manager hats on. Every person in that thing. Everybody had

715
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 6: a GM hat on saying well this offseason, yeah we're

716
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 6: gonna try and resign fill in the blank. We're gonna

717
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 6: try and draft fill in the blank. That's what I

718
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 6: love about it is there's so much ball being talked

719
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 6: about for a solid eight hours a day. I kind

720
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,239
Speaker 6: of missed that stuff. We get a little bit here,

721
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 6: but to hear the other teams and stuff and making

722
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 6: friends with them, it really is a special. You know,

723
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 6: a week of doing that and finding out about the

724
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 6: people you don't really see other than once a year.

725
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 6: It's really great.

726
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: No you mentioned that the thing that I I mean,

727
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: I enjoy all of that, but one of the things

728
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: I also like is, you know, it's kind of like

729
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: a family like this is this is like you're seeing

730
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: it's like a family reunion. All of a sudden, you

731
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: got your extended cousins and everybody, like you know, Matt Tyler,

732
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: the voice of the Colts. He does a podcast every

733
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: year at the Combine with all of the AFC South

734
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: play by play guys and they're all friends. So it's like, yeah,

735
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: you go in and your enemies on the field, But

736
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: I love that there's still that you know, human nature

737
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: to the Combine, you know, and that's what JJ's talking about.

738
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Speaker 5: With the networking.

739
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: You get to know these people and it's funny because

740
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: you can almost relate to what they're dealing with here

741
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: this year and then what they're doing and everybody has

742
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: similar stories. And I love when you talk about a

743
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: GM hat because it always makes me show that if

744
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: I ever was a GM, I would last maybe thirty

745
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: five seconds and I would be fired because I'd be

746
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: that poor at the job. But it is fun the Combine.

747
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: It's a really really fun week. I love that it's here.

748
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: It should never move, but I do enjoy it.

749
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: Can I give you Can I give you a real

750
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: quick story from this year's combine here, So go. You know,

751
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: you're walking around, you're seeing people, and the first question

752
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: that pops out of your mouth and say, how's the

753
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: off season going? So that's just kind of like, that's

754
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: the reflexive thing I do when I see someone's home

755
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: and line at Starbucks and I run into George McCaskey,

756
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: chairman of the Chicago Bears. Yeah, and I reflexively, so

757
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: I was the off season going, like that's how that's how? Well,

758
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: pretty quiet on the football front, and just George is

759
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: the best, He's he's great. Uh, and you know I

760
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: just was like yeah, yeah, sorry, you know, and ask

761
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: about his mom. You know, how Virginia is doing one

762
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: and one? But uh, yeah, that was one of those

763
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: moments in the combat where I had pressure pressure face

764
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: that question a little bit better.

765
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 6: All right, guys, A big not question, but a big

766
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 6: thing that uh, the other personnel from other teams were

767
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 6: coming up and talking to us about case. I'll start

768
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 6: with you the takeaway you got from the landscape of

769
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 6: the NFL talking about Anthony Richardson and this Colts offense.

770
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because I went away from the

771
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: season feeling very similar to the way that everybody else felt.

772
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you talked to former gms, like we had

773
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: Mike Tannenbaum on and I remember he was one of

774
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: the guys last year pretty adamant about I don't think

775
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: you take Anthony Richardson this high, and if you do,

776
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: he needs to sit.

777
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 5: His tone changed a little bit.

778
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he was he thought it was a good

779
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: thing that Anthony, not because of the injury, was able

780
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: to learn, he said, But those four games he was electric.

781
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: And it's funny to see that that you can change

782
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: guy's minds. I mean, there were some guys that we

783
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: were talking to who said I had Anthony as the

784
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: number one quarterback, and I think if you'd have saw

785
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: all seventeen games, you would have seen that he was

786
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: the guy. So I went away from the twenty three

787
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: season going I think we have some real promise in Richardson,

788
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: And then it was validated by hearing some of the

789
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: other big wigs around the NFL talking about, man, this

790
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: guy was he was a lot. There was a lot

791
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: more that they saw out of him than they inspected.

792
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people thought he's gonna need

793
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: to grow this, He's not gonna be able to be

794
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: an accurate passer in all this, and I think you

795
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: saw it all come to fruition. So seeing the NFL,

796
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, world kind of viewing it and taking it

797
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: in the same way, I felt it was cool because

798
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: I felt validated in my you know, kind of affinity

799
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: of what we saw out of Anthony rich in that

800
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: small sample size.

801
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes you feel like you're a little too close

802
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: to the fire. Yeah, aw, we sell these four games.

803
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: They were amazing, Right, and then you go and you

804
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: talk to like we did with Ben Solak, or you

805
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: hear from other national folks, or Chris Trapasso told us that,

806
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: you know, he thought Anthony was probably the best quarterback

807
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: in last year's draft. Yeah, you know, Okay, And then

808
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: and then you're you're seeing that validation from Hey, these

809
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: people are not here in Indianapolis. They they're not you know,

810
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: hearing all this stuff, and we're hearing about Anthony every

811
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: single day and we're not, you know, they're they're kind

812
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: of viewing it from more of a national perspective, and

813
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 3: to hear that absolutely that validated how I feel about

814
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: the guy.

815
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: And I know we're really close to it, but I

816
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: mean people mentioning the Rams game and it's like they

817
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: remembered a game from you know, maybe on a team

818
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: they cover on a daily basis, but that's what the

819
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: impression was. He said, I mean, we all remember the

820
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: way that that first half to second half flop was

821
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: there and against the Rams where Anthony Richardson I'm not

822
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: saying he put the team on his back, but he

823
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: darn near put the team on the back and almost

824
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: led him to a victory.

825
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 5: And other people they they highlight that.

826
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: Game like I remember what he did against the Rams,

827
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: and it was like wow, I mean that's a game

828
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: and was a week four, Week four in the NFL

829
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: season where you know, there's thousands of games that happened

830
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: and they can pinpoint it. So it was I mean,

831
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: you talk about the validation that that was really really cool.

832
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: You know what else got validated for me last week

833
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 3: at the combine was people just matter of factly being like,

834
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: you got a really good head coach. Yes, so man,

835
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 3: you ask around and it's like, oh man, you gotta

836
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: really like Ben Soll, Like when we were done with him.

837
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: He's a Philly guy. He gets up and he goes, hey,

838
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: can we have Shane back? Like, and he's just he

839
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: We didn't ask him about Shane, but he just he

840
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 3: talked to us for another five minutes about how much

841
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: he thinks highly of Shane Steichen, you know, as a schemer.

842
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, those guys, what they see

843
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: is the the you know, putting your players in the

844
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: best position to succeed aspect of Shane. And I think

845
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 3: what we see here is the way that he commands

846
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: the building, the leadership aspect of it. And I think

847
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: those two things married together make him a really really

848
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: promising head coach.

849
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 6: In this leek, JJ, give us a little bit up

850
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 6: the upcoming NFL calendar what these fans can look forward to.

851
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: All Right, So today was the deadline for the franchise

852
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: to so that that's kind of the first like big

853
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: marker in the NFL off season. On Monday at noon

854
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 3: that begins the quote unquote legal tampering window. The it's

855
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: called the negotiating window. So between Monday at noon and

856
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: Wednesday at three point fifty nine PM. Contracts can be

857
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: agreed to, they cannot be signed unless you're signing with

858
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: the team that you played for them.

859
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 6: But it has to be Monday. Wink wink. I mean,

860
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 6: come on, come on, well, okay, I mean it's just

861
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 6: agents talking to teams and stuff a week a week

862
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 6: before then it has.

863
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 2: To be out there.

864
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Speaker 6: I think it's just kind of the thing that the

865
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Speaker 6: NFL might look the other way a little bit.

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Speaker 3: No players know what their market is, gotcha. That's players

867
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Speaker 3: know what their market is. But so the other the

868
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: other part of that too is trades cannot be executed

869
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Speaker 3: before or three fifty nine on Wednesday. Correct, once four

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Speaker 3: o'clock hits on Wednesday, if you have signed with a

871
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: different team as an unrestricted free agent, then you can

872
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Speaker 3: execute that deal. So remember a couple of years ago,

873
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Speaker 3: how it was when I started twenty twenty one and

874
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Speaker 3: you guys did all those bits on the podcast about like, ah,

875
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Speaker 3: this thing's happening, you know what it is, Yeah, we

876
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: can't talk about it, and then as soon as four

877
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Speaker 3: o'clock on it on that Wednesday hit, you can do.

878
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Speaker 3: Oh Carson Wentz, welcome to Di dappois. Like that's what.

879
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: That's what this period is, at least for us our

880
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: purposes as the team podcast. But it's gonna be a

881
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: busy week. The free agency frenzy is like every year

882
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: something happens and your jaw drap, yes, like that really

883
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: that player went there, that player got traded there, that

884
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: they let that player go. It's gonna be a real

885
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Speaker 3: interesting week.

886
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Speaker 1: And I also think that since the league legal tampering

887
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Speaker 1: window has been executed by the NFL, I feel like

888
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: there's always a head scratcher there where something is agreed

889
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: upon on a Monday, but then by Wednesday things have changed.

890
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 1: So that's always one thing to also watch too. It's

891
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: not necessarily setting stone on Monday because that's not when

892
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: they can actually sign it.

893
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 5: So it is fun.

894
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Speaker 1: I enjoy the free agency frenzy, you know, and typically

895
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Speaker 1: you know, it's one of those where as Chris Ballard

896
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 1: talks about your A guys are either getting re signed

897
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Speaker 1: or getting tagged. So the amount of money that the

898
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: Bee guys are making, it's always eye popping. So I'm

899
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: always anxious to say thirty.

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Speaker 6: More million dollars yes the salary, yeah, per team, So

901
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 6: that opens up a lot. I want to end on

902
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 6: a strong note. We've seen a couple of things out

903
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Speaker 6: of Anthony richardson JJ. We saw him throwing the football

904
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Speaker 6: on a field. I believe he was barefoot though, out

905
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Speaker 6: there having a good time. No problem as long as

906
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Speaker 6: he's throwing the ball. And he got married recently, Is

907
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 6: that correct? Or he had I'm engaged. You got engaged

908
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 6: yet engaged recently? What is a timeline? Look from what

909
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 6: you've heard from the powers that be upfront with Chris Ballard,

910
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 6: Jim Mersey, and Shane Stike in as far as where

911
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 6: he's gonna be when OTA's come around, Where is he

912
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Speaker 6: at when training camp opens?

913
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Speaker 3: So they haven't set a timeline on OTA's training camp

914
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: anything like that. Chris Ballard was pretty pretty strong at

915
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Speaker 3: the combine, saying like Anthony wants to be ahead of schedule, right,

916
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: Like he wants to I want to hit this milestone,

917
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: hit this milestone. And he's like, it's our job to

918
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: kind of pull the reins back a little bit, and

919
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: he you know, Chris Ballard is speaking from an informed experience.

920
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 3: Same with Jim irsay that you know they went through

921
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: this with Andrew Luck. You don't need to be ahead

922
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: of schedule, especially when we're talking about its march. You

923
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: want to make sure you're following the doctor's advice. But

924
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Speaker 3: it is definitely encouraging that Anthony Richardson is throwing. You know,

925
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 3: Chris Ballard said that, you know, he's got a good

926
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Speaker 3: team around him to work with down when he is

927
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Speaker 3: in Florida throwing, or whether he's back up here in Indianapolis,

928
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Speaker 3: it's all sounds very encouraging for Anthony Richardson. Uh No

929
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Speaker 3: indication has been given of when he'll you know, be

930
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Speaker 3: back out there on a field ripping the ball around,

931
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Speaker 3: but it's all very positive right now.

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Speaker 6: All right, guys, that's it. Let's uh, let's close this

933
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Speaker 6: thing out on the right h the right effort, if

934
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Speaker 6: you will. It's spring training time baseball.

935
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Speaker 3: The people love when we talk baseball, I know, but.

936
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Speaker 6: I'm just finding putting there. There's a there's a reason.

937
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 3: Okay, where are we going here?

938
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Speaker 6: The reason you didn't go at the next level as

939
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 6: a left handed pitcher is I don't throw hard at all,

940
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Speaker 6: don't have the armstrang if you did have a nasty

941
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Speaker 6: you did have a nasty curvey.

942
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Speaker 3: I got a decent yaker. Okay, you know I can.

943
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: I can drop an Uncle Charlie on you. I'm just

944
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: saying my favorite thing to do when I was playing,

945
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Speaker 3: you know, in high school or you know, I played

946
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: in like an intermur league in college. Sure, you get

947
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 3: a left handed batter and I would aim the curveball

948
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Speaker 3: at the guy's head and then you drop that thing

949
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 3: into strikes and you get them to kind of turn

950
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: their shoulder a little bit. Feels great. Also when you

951
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: throw sixty eight miles an hour. Yeah, but but but

952
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 3: if you get someone to be late, Yeah, a sixty

953
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: eight mind hour fastball.

954
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Speaker 6: Yeah, man, but just think about it. You were that

955
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 6: close to being playing at the end the show from

956
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Speaker 6: sixty eight to ninety eight. I'm saying it is a

957
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 6: thirty mile difference. But yeah, that's pretty more closer than

958
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 6: some people. In case, we know your ball, your ball

959
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 6: career middle infielder hit third because.

960
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Speaker 3: Your dad in college I did.

961
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Speaker 5: I played in college.

962
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 6: I mean, you didn't like my Your dad was a manager,

963
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 6: so you hit third.

964
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 5: No, it's funny.

965
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 3: You know.

966
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you bring that up because my dad actually

967
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Speaker 1: did coach me one time and he said I will

968
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: never do it again because a he's way too critical

969
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: and all of that.

970
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Speaker 5: And I mean I was.

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Speaker 1: I was probably one of my worst summers that I

972
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Speaker 1: ever had with my dad coaching because I was, you know,

973
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Speaker 1: near the end of the lineup. I was not you know,

974
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Speaker 1: I didn't get the the dad treatment. It was more

975
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: of the the non treatment.

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Speaker 3: If you, by the way, moved into t ball coaching coaching,

977
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: I got old t ball.

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Speaker 5: I did it two straight summers, and I took the

979
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 5: summer off. I can't do it. I want to just

980
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 5: watch as a fan, so enjoy.

981
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Speaker 3: I enjoy. I cannot wait to get these kids running PfP.

982
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: It's all it's about. We're going to you know, like

983
00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 3: learn how to slide head first. Pete Rose video up. Yeah.

984
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely make sure it be that we're gonna be the

985
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 3: you know, the the dirt ball team. You right that

986
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: none of this is true, by the way, right, just

987
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: for the record, I love it if they run to

988
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: the right base, that's that's a huge accomplishment.

989
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna tell you. Please, after your

990
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: first practice, let me know how it goes. Because you

991
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: go in with a plan like all right, we're gonna

992
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: throw for X, just play catch and then we're gonna

993
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: hit some off the tee for twenty five minutes and

994
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: then figure out what that first twenty five minutes.

995
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 5: It doesn't all go at all plans, so you just.

996
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 3: Okay, whatever, here's what we're gonna Here's my one goal

997
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: for being a T ball coach bat safety. There you go.

998
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 5: I love that. That's a great one.

999
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: We are teaching safety with a bat because it is

1000
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: a metal bat we got for T ball. It's a

1001
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 3: real This isn't your Fisher prices. Yeah, watch you gotta

1002
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: you gotta watch what you're doing with that. Then I'll

1003
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: give you want to be the big thing.

1004
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 5: You got to remember to let them know they have

1005
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 5: to drop the bat to run to first base.

1006
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 6: That's right.

1007
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 5: Well, never thought i'd have to explain that one.

1008
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: But that is a difficult We're gonna work on our

1009
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 3: bat flips too. Yeah, I mean Jose against the Rangers.

1010
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 2: Damn.

1011
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 3: All right, get a you know, get some Lorenzo Caine

1012
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 3: bat flips in there. Uh, we're gonna get uh Brett Boone.

1013
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: You ever hit a great bat? Brett Boone had a

1014
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 3: great bat. I was gonna bring him up. But yeah, okay,

1015
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 3: I like that.

1016
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 6: All Right, We're losing a few on these.

1017
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: That's absolutely right now. If you got your favorite bat.

1018
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 6: Flip write us in guys in Central Indiana. Two of

1019
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 6: the top t ball coaches, We've got him right here

1020
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 6: on the couch rade. But you know what, they happen

1021
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 6: to know a little bit about football as well. The

1022
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 6: official Colts podcast JJ Stank if it's Casey value Am,

1023
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 6: Jeffrey Gorman, Lara Overton will return. Guys. I appreciate you.

1024
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 6: Let me pick your brain getting us ready for the

1025
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 6: upcoming obviously franchise tag ending with Michael Pittman Junior and

1026
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 6: the big free agency period.

1027
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Speaker 3: Good week next week here on the Colts Audio Network

1028
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Speaker 3: Monday morning, Sunday night into Monday morning, we'll have our

1029
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: free agency preview you heard. It'll be myself, Casey Valier,

1030
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: Matt Taylor doing that. That'll be available on YouTube as

1031
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 3: well on our overtime channel. And then we'll have the

1032
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 3: official podcast Tuesday. And then we got those overtime episodes

1033
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Speaker 3: which are just like our emergency break glass in case

1034
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Speaker 3: of podcast.

1035
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Speaker 6: Those are those are all over the board. We're gonna

1036
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Speaker 6: have a couple of.

1037
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Speaker 5: Get your voices ready, guys.

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00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, good job.

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Speaker 6: Hey, it's loaded. If you're a Colts fan again, Colts

1040
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 6: dot Com, the Colts Radio excuse me, the Colts Audio Network.

1041
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 6: We've got a ton of stuff going on, and you

1042
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 6: guys all kidding aside. You work your tails off on

1043
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 6: the free agency stuff, both of you guys, and what

1044
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 6: the Colts possibly could bring to this roster. So well done.

1045
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Speaker 6: All available, Like I said again, on the Colts Audio

1046
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 6: Network for JJ Stankmitz and Casey Valier. I'm Jeffrey Gorman.

1047
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Speaker 6: As always, go Colts. We'll see you next TU