WEBVTT - Draft Show: Recap & Reactions 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:10.840 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.640 room for insider news and craft analysis from deep within 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:20.520 the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco. 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:27.000 And now your hosts Brian brought us, Kyle Yeoman's and 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:33.720 David Hellman. It is Tuesday, May the third, and just 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:38.240 like that, the Cowboys war Room, which spent so much 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.800 of the past weekend just bustling with activity, is empty. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:47.199 It just it's it's like it's like a rollercoaster that 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.760 just stops short and all of a sudden, we're here 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.199 to examine what happened and wonder how it all went 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.280 by so fast, Fellas. Yeah, it is, and uh, it's 0:00:56.760 --> 0:00:59.400 it's funny because if I still work with the team, 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.160 I think I'd be sitting in there just kind of 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:03.920 looking at the board still. You know, always you're kind 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.960 of the big dramatic moment. Guy. I'm I'm sit out 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:08.960 on the field for an hour after the game. Yeah, 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.160 I'm one of those I like to kind of take 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.120 take it all in and not that. Uh. Oh, by 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:16.360 the way, we made our che bag of the day 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.959 yesterday with our Ravens discussions oh night. So yeah, but 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:24.040 we didn't we didn't win. Yeah, but we didn't win that. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.880 But no, the the the the I think that where 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.679 like I say, you're right, you work so hard at 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:35.039 doing it and putting it together and the and the 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.479 the motions that you go through those days, and then 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.679 I always like just to kind of sit there and 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:44.520 like look at all the tags again and remind myself 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.280 where we had all these guys and then you watch 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.160 where they went, and then I'm looking forward all your 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.680 tweets day that you're really good at during the season, 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.080 like oh yeah, we talked about that guy. Remember him? 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.919 Remember this guy? Like when some guy blocks upun or 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:04.559 gets runs back and then Travis Jones, Yeah, yeah, so yeah, 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:07.240 that's you know, but that's that's the thing about it is, 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.040 you're right, you just kind of you're going so fast 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.880 and then you just and then it just stops. It's 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.120 almost like the end of the football season. Yeah, you know, 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.840 when we worked the football season and like for the playoffs, 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:18.680 we're like, you know, the forty nine Ers game, we 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.880 were so excited and we're going, we're going, we're going, 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:23.399 you're thinking about and then the season ends and you're 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.440 just like, Okay, what do I do now, you know 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:28.480 what do I do? Now? That is exactly where we 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.320 are here on one final episode of the Draft Show. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.359 I'm Dave Hellman. Bobby Brian Kyle, like the big voice 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.120 guy said, and yeah, I mean what at this point, 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:42.119 we've had forty seventy two hours since the last pick 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.760 was made to kind of sit in our feelings and 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:46.919 digest it all. And I would love to just sort 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:50.720 of break down our feelings on this draft class. We 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.760 obviously reacted to it all live, but we'll start it 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:58.840 out just by saying, has your opinion changed, morphed whatever 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.840 about anything the boys did? Specifically, we can talk about 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.399 the big three picks Tyler Smith in the first round, 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.519 Sam Williams in the second, and Jalen Tolbert in the third, 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.360 but overall too, I mean, if you have something on 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.480 your mind about day three, that's fine too, But I 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.119 just want to take it around the table and see 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.320 how you feel. Bobby, I'll start with you felt like 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:19.960 and I know we talked about all the time, but 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.080 I mean it felt like more of a traits draft 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.360 than they've done in a very long time. Like a 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.160 lot of it just was about, hey, these guys need 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.760 some coaching, they need some seasoning, whatever else, But like, 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.880 we really believe in the potential of all these guys, 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:36.600 and the potential is off the charts. It's just going 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.960 to take, you know, some investment. And that goes all 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.440 the way from their very first pick at Tyler Smith, 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.360 all the way to their last pick at Devin Harper. 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.280 It was traits all the way in between. I think 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.760 the hallmark of this will be remembered as they went 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.640 traits and toughness. They clearly wanted to sort of adjust 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:57.160 the culture and bring in a different style of player 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.280 or a different tone with these guys that they drafted, 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.040 because just about everybody they draft has an edge, Like 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.200 everybody they drafted this weekend has some sort of an 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.800 edge pretty much. So how much of a flip is 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.960 that from y'all's initial thinking, because I know, for me, 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.760 when we went into this draft process, we said it 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.280 was a win now sort of draft because you have 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.719 a certain amount of players that you're missing. Yes, yes, 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.040 you're gonna have to replace Randy Gregory and Mary Cooper. 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.680 That's not going to happen in an NFL draft. However, 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.240 you do expect to go and get these immediate starters, 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.159 and we even went through one by one each of 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.880 these picks live on the draft coverage, and only one 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.599 of them, Tyler Smith, being a for sure starter, and 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:40.080 even that's not even for sure to a certain extent. 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.920 So is this a draft for the future more so 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:46.039 than it was when we thought going into it, because 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.120 that's my biggest thing right now. No, you know, yeah, 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.719 I understand what you're saying. I think it's for me. 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:57.520 The draft was different because it was the last two drafts. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:02.080 It wasn't about need, it was about yeah, it was about, hey, 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.479 who's the best player on that board? You know, who 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.720 in the stack is the best player? Who's the next 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.720 best player on that board? And it's kind of surprised us, 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.160 you know it kind of it kind of made us like, oh, 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.200 they took that guy. Oh they took that guy, you 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.280 know that kind of thing. But this one was more 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.119 about and Stephen Jones is like the pre draft stuff 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.000 was kind of saying, hey, we're we don't have anything 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.320 that we're really pressing any I hate to differ with 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.599 you there, sir. You just took your starting left guard. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.520 You needed a wide receiver because of the situation you 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.680 were in defensive end, you lost a guy because an 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.279 agent pulled the rug out from underneath you. You know 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.040 that kind of thing. So, you know, the first first 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.880 three picks at least were those ones where it went 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.279 like we need a guard, we need this, we need this. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:45.880 I would go as far as to say the first 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.640 four yeah, because I think after yeah, if well it 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.960 wrote it down on a piece of paper about Ferguson too, 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:53.800 That's what I'm saying. Okay, well, you know I was 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:55.520 talking we wrote it. If we wrote it down on it, 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.000 like if we all got together on Wednesday morning before 0:05:58.040 --> 0:05:59.680 the draft and we were like, what are the four 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.040 big needs on this team? That's what they hit all 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.000 in a row, not just one of the four biggest needs. 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:05.960 But it's like, how would you rank the four biggest needs. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.400 There are a lot of people would rank them like that, Yes, 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.600 for sure. Yeah. So but to me, I'm you know, 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:15.000 when I went back and looked again, sitting around looking 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.560 at tags, you know, and I look at the Cowboys 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:19.760 draft and I was just kind of going through all 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.240 the teams and what they had done and in like 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:25.120 the order they took guys. Maybe my gage was just 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.560 what my work, my one hundred and ninety. You know, 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.680 the players I watched, you know, I was disappointed I 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.240 didn't have tackle tape and all that, but I got that. 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.800 So we're, you know, good with good, go with that. 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.039 But the thing about it is, though all my players 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:43.080 were kind of grouped together that they took Tilbert being 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.920 my highest rated guy at seventy four, Williams at seventy five, 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.360 so they were right there. Smith was at seventy nine, 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.320 Ridgeway was at ninety two. See, they were all kind 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.960 of right there for what Steven Jones said on Saturday, 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.080 and you know, in the fourth rounds through the real 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.880 outlier if you want to say, that would be Ferguson 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.240 at one fifty two. You know, because I had some 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.480 tight ends that were better that I clearly liked. There 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.159 were some guards that I had better that I clearly like. 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.400 But you know, they don't always see it. I'm just 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.240 saying I'm looking at what I saw as compared to 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.960 maybe how they saw it. You know, the draft, and 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:18.680 there was, like I say, there's some teams that I 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.160 was like, you always laugh at we laughing about the 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.160 Ravens and stuff like that. The Jets we make fun 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.000 of the Seahawks, you know, depending on how you know. 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.040 That's the only point of reference that I really have 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.280 right there. But for the Cowboys to get players seventy four, 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.480 seventy five, seventy nine, and ninety two off my board, 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.000 you know, I'm kind of like, all right, you like 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.600 the value there? Yeah, yeah, all top one inside of 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.680 one hundred right there. So to me, you know, it 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.800 doesn't matter where you pick them, just pick them. You know. 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.080 That's pretty much their attitude, I believe. Going back to 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.160 and I agree with you for the record, but going 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.400 back to Kyle's point, and I think that is you 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.320 don't have to agree with me, but I do. Actually, 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.400 I'm right, like I said, I mean, that's that it 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.640 wasn't a flashy draft at all. No, it was exactly 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:07.200 it was almost textbook to how to move up and down, 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.840 well not to move up or down, but not to 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.240 move up down, no, no, but to to look at 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.520 the board and and kind of gauge. You know, it's 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:17.760 not gambling if you feel like, Okay, if we take 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:20.040 this guy first, there's a good chance this next guy, 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.679 I mean to me and Bobby could probably because Bobby's 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.040 got some great sources in the sink there are people 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.160 around the league that we're interested in. Taken Tilbern and 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:32.280 taken Sam Williams and stuff like that. Bobby calls it purgatory, 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.120 that picked right before it gets to you and and 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.520 then you lose a guy, you know. So they they 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:43.360 they navigated the board, how they felt like they needed 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:46.360 to navigate the board, and you know, you hear stuff 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.520 after the fact, and that's I think as early as 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.480 like Saturday night. I think they did have guys that 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.400 they considered moving up for at certain points in the draft. 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.800 But at a certain point it got to it where 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.240 they were like, well, look at this, Look at all 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.920 the guys we've got good grades on. That'll just somebody 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.760 will be there, right, Let's just throw these darts, man, Like, 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.839 why why risk being wrong in a trade up when 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.160 we can just throw four or five darts at guys 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.160 that have similar grades. And that's when I said, I 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:17.680 agree with you. I don't think after the Sam pick. 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.559 Probably it's like starting with Tolbert and going through Ridgeway. 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.880 I think the grades on all these guys were fairly close. 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:26.679 Like I feel like they got pretty good value with 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.319 all of these picks. And you hear about tight ends. Specifically, 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.160 in that fourth round, Jake Ferguson wasn't necessarily the top 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.640 name on their board, but he wasn't far off from 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:38.559 the Ka Doton's and Daniel Bellinger's and the Charlie Cohlers 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:42.079 that went before Ferguson. They felt good about Ferguson, they 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.120 liked him overall. He just wasn't that number one got 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:46.959 on their board. But they were so similar and so 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.880 close together that it wasn't necessarily see that's where that's 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.360 to me where I would have if they get colder 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.600 at that spot and he goes right ahead of him, 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:59.679 right ravens VENs drafted him. But if okay, say they 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:04.560 tra colder, then on my board they've drafted five third 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.600 round guys. You know, I mean again, I mean it's well, 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.080 damn brought us that. Where's the first round grade on 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:11.520 me on the You know this, well you're picking at 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.839 twenty four though two? You know, let me tell you 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.200 to be honest with you. Though our LSU linebacker, I 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.679 kind of had him. I had him in a situation 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:21.319 where if I'd have kept him on the board, I 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:23.520 had a second round grade on that guy. You know, 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.000 I really did. I mean, not because he's an LSU guy, 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.440 but say you're not going to get him if he's 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.319 not hurt unless you pick him probably at fifty six, Right, 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.360 you're not going to get that player. What I wanted 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:38.480 to ask you, Brian, just out of curiosity, and I 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.680 wouldn't I don't know. I would love to know the 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:45.239 candid conversations. You've been in a war room many times. Yeah, 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.080 was have there ever been years in year experience and 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.439 we can't say that this is what the Cowboys thought 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.400 or that they do think, or that they would think, 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:54.320 but as there ever, was there ever a year in 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:57.240 your history where like even the people in the war 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.240 room were like, this is a this is a low 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.880 developing class, Like this is a draft about the future, 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.000 not a draft about this season that's about the start. No, 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:10.360 I think that it was. I think that the conversation. See, 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:12.760 I was a part of some teams in Green Bay 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.679 where we were we were better, you know, so we 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.040 were drafting just trying to kind of maintain what we 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.360 were doing. Philadelphia, we were we were coming off being 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.360 like we were a bad team, and so yeah, we 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.120 just had to you really had to try. That draft 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.920 ended up being more about their future than anything. You know, 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.080 if you look at the Andy Reid future and stuff 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.160 like that, Jacksonville, I was on the pro side of things, 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:35.960 I mean to get you know, you know, there were 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.480 some some picks that were a little bit questionable there 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.120 that that we made at that time, and then in 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.120 the Dallas stuff, it was like we were a bad 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.880 team again, but we didn't help ourselves with any picks 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.679 to make it any better until Parcels came in and 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.079 then that's when things kind of turned around for us. 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.440 But I think overall, you were always trying to draft, like, 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:57.679 you know, if you were a good team, you were, 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.439 you were trying to maintain that. If you're a bad team, like, man, 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.120 we don't have enough damn picks to you know, to 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.360 make this to turn around. Yeah, I think I mainly 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.800 just wonder outwardly and rightfully. It's like every team in 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.160 the league thinks they killed this draft. Oh absolutely that 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.480 every year. Yeah, And I just wonder behind closed doors 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.280 if if and it could it doesn't have to be 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.560 the Cowboys, but I just wonder if their front offices 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.360 are ever like yeah, like we're we're we're drafting these 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.440 guys for twenty twenty three. More, well, I think I 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.600 think if you look at the linebacker from La Shoe, 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:30.200 that's a twenty obviously that's that's that's a twenty twenty three. 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.000 But but I mean, yeah, I mean, we'll look at 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.200 the Cowboys the history. They had a draft one time 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.880 in the nineties where they drafted basically all special teams players. Yeah, 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.520 it was like their roster was, Yeah, their roster was 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.000 so deep that it was like literally all special teams guys, 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.160 and you're like, well, who they get? And then and 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.640 then that's where teams started to catch up with them. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:52.640 You know, teams once they had that draft, they stopped drafting, 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:56.800 like rigging all Pro Hall of Fame players. They're drafting 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.320 backups who are special teams guys because they're thinking, we 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.560 can't we if anybody we draft's not going to beat 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.280 out who we got. So that you know that that 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:09.199 that attitude did happen here one time. I think that, yeah, 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:12.280 if you get people off to the side and have 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:16.160 them be honest about things, like I remember specifically somebody 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.800 in twenty nineteen, like it was a very tepid and 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.480 norse was like, we got some guys, we'll see if 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.760 they can do something like that was kind of the feel. 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.160 And twenty nineteen didn't turn out to be a great class. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.480 But so I mean that that has happened before, But 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.120 that was not the sense I got talking to people 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.360 this weekend. This weekend, they actually, I think, really liked 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:38.360 the guys. They got a lot all the way from 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.480 the top at Tyler Smith all the way through to 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.480 Devin Harper, they liked the entire class. Yeah, I think 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.760 this is where to me, it's really going to be 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.199 about the next two classes. You know, it's gonna be 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.480 about the class from last year, you know, with the 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.400 balls and guys like Dad Gholston. You know, can those 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:57.560 guys make the step forward? Joseph? Can they all make 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:01.280 the step forward? You know, to to help your team? 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.360 And then you know it takes a lot of pressure 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.360 off some of these. Now you're gonna need Smith to 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.680 start it at guard, and you're gonna need Toilbert likely 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.800 to play a role at wide receiver. You can't have 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.360 him inactive every week. I think we would agree that 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:20.400 those two, if nothing else, and maybe Sam Williams too, 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.160 I would say you could get away with Sam Williams 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.520 being a rotating player I don't think you can get 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.800 away with Tyler Smith and Jalen Tolbert being starters. I 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.040 bet at the end of the year we look at 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.880 Sam Williams playing twenty five the Snaps and I think 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.160 you can get away with that. Yeah, I think you 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.120 have everywhere else. Yeah, I would tend to agree. The 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.320 guy that I'm excited about and that of this class, 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.320 to be honest with you, is Ridgeway. I really am 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.320 I'm excited about. I mean it's after that. Well, no, 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.480 I mean it's it's next God, it's exciting to be 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.120 scared of him through the phone. Yeah, it's exciting because again, 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:57.800 the physicality that he plays with, the toughness he plays with. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.920 You know, but you're in a situation you know it's 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:04.840 not always about making every tackle inside, but it's about 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:09.280 it's about creating, like just clogging things up to where 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.320 people can't run the ball, will you. You know, he 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.120 might not make every tackle, but if you're That's the 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.560 great thing about Jordan Davis. When you watch you talk 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.160 to scouts around the league, he's like, not taking up 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:23.360 two blocks, he's taken three. You know that that's if 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.720 you're if you're clogging things up in the middle that bad. 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.200 Then it makes that gives that back that indecision like 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.200 that there's no push up front. Backs of course love 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.480 it when you could get that push so they can 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.640 read where the hole is developing. But if you get 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:41.160 a guy like Ridgeway who's standing there just hammering those 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.480 centers and guards and now there's no no place for 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.720 these backs to go, that that's a that's a big 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.000 part of your defense. Right. Let me ask you this 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:54.880 because I remember so many people got excited about Quentin 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.080 Bohannah because they just didn't draft guys like him on 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.800 the previous regime. And I remember at some point being like, 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:04.680 the hype on a sixth round pick is a little 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.200 much for me. To me, this is to me, this 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.440 is a different players. That's what I'm saying. So I 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:13.000 didn't you sound like, I'm like, you expect more from 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.320 Ridgeway than I would. That's what I'm saying. That's what 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.400 I'm saying. I expect I expect more from Ridgeway the 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.360 way he plays, and you know, with him and Bohanna 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.840 and those guys, they talk about having two of those guys, 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.360 you know, and that's but also Bohannah needs to be 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.160 that in that mix where I was talking about with 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:33.680 Gholston Cox, you know all these guys that didn't need 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:37.880 you know, Joseph, these guys right their draft class from 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:42.560 last year, Michael Parsons as a star, but those other 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.840 guys need to not have where they play six games 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.560 and they're good and then they fade away for the 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:52.360 other eleven. They need they need those guys playing, much 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.720 like with Doorg's Armstrong. Georg's Armstrong to me was always 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.880 a guy that played really well one game and then 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.840 you lost him for four, where I think last year 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.200 he was more consistent. They need to get that from 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.080 not only from the previous draft class. But I'm not 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:07.840 I'm saying like I say, if they could pull just 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.359 Smith being the starter and then Tolbert and then Williams 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.320 and others kind of supplementing in I think that's a 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.879 good thing. We've talked about it, We talked about it 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.520 over the weekend. But on the off chance any listeners 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.760 don't want to sift through eighteen hours of us acting 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:27.359 a fool, Just have you learned anything or heard anything 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.919 about Tyler Smith or it could even be just your 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:33.240 impressions of him from his visit to the facility. How 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:37.280 has your opinion changed from like Thursday evening when you 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.399 were kind of getting the vibe that he was going 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.840 to be the pick, to four or five days later 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.080 when when you've really had a chance to take a 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.119 deeper dive. I think the biggest thing with it is 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:52.080 his projection, and early on and you're watching the player 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.320 and you're looking at the tape, it's it's hit or 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.240 miss with Tyler Smith sometimes, I mean, especially as a 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.840 pass blocker, as a run blocker at the He's NFL 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:04.040 ready right now, which is kind of it bodes well 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.600 to his projection as a guard to go in and 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.720 play at left guard. I think he's going to find 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.359 Jerry Jones's ears. Yeah, sure, I think he can go 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.000 in and find a spot as the starting left guard immediately. 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:15.199 If he were to come in and be at the 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.520 starting tackle and he's he's on an island and he's 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.720 backing up and he's in past sets, that's when you 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:24.320 have some troubles there. There's tape out there against Cincinnati 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.400 and my J. Sanders is just absolutely having his way 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:31.040 with Tyler Smith, and my J. Sanders was outside of 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.480 the top one hundred pick to Arizona this past weekend. 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:35.760 I liked my Jay more than anything. But I liked 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.000 him because he went up against Tyler's shriff and absolutely 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.320 destroyed the guy. Yeah, but most of those sets where 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.199 he was getting beat against My j Sanders was in 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.439 pass blocking sets. That's something that he can develop along 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.880 the way while also immediately translating the guard. There were 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:51.920 rumors out there, and I don't know how much truth 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.560 there is to this, but there's rumors that if he 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:56.920 were to stay at the collegiate level, he was a 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.240 late declare. If he would have stayed around the college game, 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.040 there's a chance he would have transferred to an SEC school, 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:05.679 he would have started, and then he would have been 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.000 up in the top category. Is maybe a top ten 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.080 pick just based off of his projection alone. He's only 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.000 twenty one years old, turned twenty one what three weeks ago, 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.800 and then you turn around then now he's an NFL player. 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.600 He's got a high ceiling. It's just you got to 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:21.679 get it out of him. That's up that Joe Philibin, 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.840 that's up to Kellen Moore. It's those guys across the building. Now, 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:26.720 they got to take advantage because they've got the guy, 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.120 they've got the trades, they've got the potential. Now you've 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:30.880 got to take advantage if he's a first round pick. 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.960 I think they they're confident they're getting it out of 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.600