Speaker 1: He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war
Speaker 1: room for insider news and craft analysis from deep within
Speaker 1: the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco.
Speaker 1: And now your hosts Brian brought us, Kyle Yeoman's and
Speaker 1: David Hellman. It is Tuesday, May the third, and just
Speaker 1: like that, the Cowboys war Room, which spent so much
Speaker 1: of the past weekend just bustling with activity, is empty.
Speaker 1: It just it's it's like it's like a rollercoaster that
Speaker 1: just stops short and all of a sudden, we're here
Speaker 1: to examine what happened and wonder how it all went
Speaker 1: by so fast, Fellas. Yeah, it is, and uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's funny because if I still work with the team,
Speaker 1: I think I'd be sitting in there just kind of
Speaker 1: looking at the board still. You know, always you're kind
Speaker 1: of the big dramatic moment. Guy. I'm I'm sit out
Speaker 1: on the field for an hour after the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm one of those I like to kind of take
Speaker 1: take it all in and not that. Uh. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, we made our che bag of the day
Speaker 1: yesterday with our Ravens discussions oh night. So yeah, but
Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't win. Yeah, but we didn't win that.
Speaker 1: But no, the the the the I think that where
Speaker 1: like I say, you're right, you work so hard at
Speaker 1: doing it and putting it together and the and the
Speaker 1: the motions that you go through those days, and then
Speaker 1: I always like just to kind of sit there and
Speaker 1: like look at all the tags again and remind myself
Speaker 1: where we had all these guys and then you watch
Speaker 1: where they went, and then I'm looking forward all your
Speaker 1: tweets day that you're really good at during the season,
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, we talked about that guy. Remember him?
Speaker 1: Remember this guy? Like when some guy blocks upun or
Speaker 1: gets runs back and then Travis Jones, Yeah, yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's you know, but that's that's the thing about it is,
Speaker 1: you're right, you just kind of you're going so fast
Speaker 1: and then you just and then it just stops. It's
Speaker 1: almost like the end of the football season. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: when we worked the football season and like for the playoffs,
Speaker 1: we're like, you know, the forty nine Ers game, we
Speaker 1: were so excited and we're going, we're going, we're going,
Speaker 1: you're thinking about and then the season ends and you're
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, what do I do now, you know
Speaker 1: what do I do? Now? That is exactly where we
Speaker 1: are here on one final episode of the Draft Show.
Speaker 1: I'm Dave Hellman. Bobby Brian Kyle, like the big voice
Speaker 1: guy said, and yeah, I mean what at this point,
Speaker 1: we've had forty seventy two hours since the last pick
Speaker 1: was made to kind of sit in our feelings and
Speaker 1: digest it all. And I would love to just sort
Speaker 1: of break down our feelings on this draft class. We
Speaker 1: obviously reacted to it all live, but we'll start it
Speaker 1: out just by saying, has your opinion changed, morphed whatever
Speaker 1: about anything the boys did? Specifically, we can talk about
Speaker 1: the big three picks Tyler Smith in the first round,
Speaker 1: Sam Williams in the second, and Jalen Tolbert in the third,
Speaker 1: but overall too, I mean, if you have something on
Speaker 1: your mind about day three, that's fine too, But I
Speaker 1: just want to take it around the table and see
Speaker 1: how you feel. Bobby, I'll start with you felt like
Speaker 1: and I know we talked about all the time, but
Speaker 1: I mean it felt like more of a traits draft
Speaker 1: than they've done in a very long time. Like a
Speaker 1: lot of it just was about, hey, these guys need
Speaker 1: some coaching, they need some seasoning, whatever else, But like,
Speaker 1: we really believe in the potential of all these guys,
Speaker 1: and the potential is off the charts. It's just going
Speaker 1: to take, you know, some investment. And that goes all
Speaker 1: the way from their very first pick at Tyler Smith,
Speaker 1: all the way to their last pick at Devin Harper.
Speaker 1: It was traits all the way in between. I think
Speaker 1: the hallmark of this will be remembered as they went
Speaker 1: traits and toughness. They clearly wanted to sort of adjust
Speaker 1: the culture and bring in a different style of player
Speaker 1: or a different tone with these guys that they drafted,
Speaker 1: because just about everybody they draft has an edge, Like
Speaker 1: everybody they drafted this weekend has some sort of an
Speaker 1: edge pretty much. So how much of a flip is
Speaker 1: that from y'all's initial thinking, because I know, for me,
Speaker 1: when we went into this draft process, we said it
Speaker 1: was a win now sort of draft because you have
Speaker 1: a certain amount of players that you're missing. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to replace Randy Gregory and Mary Cooper.
Speaker 1: That's not going to happen in an NFL draft. However,
Speaker 1: you do expect to go and get these immediate starters,
Speaker 1: and we even went through one by one each of
Speaker 1: these picks live on the draft coverage, and only one
Speaker 1: of them, Tyler Smith, being a for sure starter, and
Speaker 1: even that's not even for sure to a certain extent.
Speaker 1: So is this a draft for the future more so
Speaker 1: than it was when we thought going into it, because
Speaker 1: that's my biggest thing right now. No, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. I think it's for me.
Speaker 1: The draft was different because it was the last two drafts.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about need, it was about yeah, it was about, hey,
Speaker 1: who's the best player on that board? You know, who
Speaker 1: in the stack is the best player? Who's the next
Speaker 1: best player on that board? And it's kind of surprised us,
Speaker 1: you know it kind of it kind of made us like, oh,
Speaker 1: they took that guy. Oh they took that guy, you
Speaker 1: know that kind of thing. But this one was more
Speaker 1: about and Stephen Jones is like the pre draft stuff
Speaker 1: was kind of saying, hey, we're we don't have anything
Speaker 1: that we're really pressing any I hate to differ with
Speaker 1: you there, sir. You just took your starting left guard.
Speaker 1: You needed a wide receiver because of the situation you
Speaker 1: were in defensive end, you lost a guy because an
Speaker 1: agent pulled the rug out from underneath you. You know
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So, you know, the first first
Speaker 1: three picks at least were those ones where it went
Speaker 1: like we need a guard, we need this, we need this.
Speaker 1: I would go as far as to say the first
Speaker 1: four yeah, because I think after yeah, if well it
Speaker 1: wrote it down on a piece of paper about Ferguson too,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Okay, well, you know I was
Speaker 1: talking we wrote it. If we wrote it down on it,
Speaker 1: like if we all got together on Wednesday morning before
Speaker 1: the draft and we were like, what are the four
Speaker 1: big needs on this team? That's what they hit all
Speaker 1: in a row, not just one of the four biggest needs.
Speaker 1: But it's like, how would you rank the four biggest needs.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people would rank them like that, Yes,
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah. So but to me, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: when I went back and looked again, sitting around looking
Speaker 1: at tags, you know, and I look at the Cowboys
Speaker 1: draft and I was just kind of going through all
Speaker 1: the teams and what they had done and in like
Speaker 1: the order they took guys. Maybe my gage was just
Speaker 1: what my work, my one hundred and ninety. You know,
Speaker 1: the players I watched, you know, I was disappointed I
Speaker 1: didn't have tackle tape and all that, but I got that.
Speaker 1: So we're, you know, good with good, go with that.
Speaker 1: But the thing about it is, though all my players
Speaker 1: were kind of grouped together that they took Tilbert being
Speaker 1: my highest rated guy at seventy four, Williams at seventy five,
Speaker 1: so they were right there. Smith was at seventy nine,
Speaker 1: Ridgeway was at ninety two. See, they were all kind
Speaker 1: of right there for what Steven Jones said on Saturday,
Speaker 1: and you know, in the fourth rounds through the real
Speaker 1: outlier if you want to say, that would be Ferguson
Speaker 1: at one fifty two. You know, because I had some
Speaker 1: tight ends that were better that I clearly liked. There
Speaker 1: were some guards that I had better that I clearly like.
Speaker 1: But you know, they don't always see it. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I'm looking at what I saw as compared to
Speaker 1: maybe how they saw it. You know, the draft, and
Speaker 1: there was, like I say, there's some teams that I
Speaker 1: was like, you always laugh at we laughing about the
Speaker 1: Ravens and stuff like that. The Jets we make fun
Speaker 1: of the Seahawks, you know, depending on how you know.
Speaker 1: That's the only point of reference that I really have
Speaker 1: right there. But for the Cowboys to get players seventy four,
Speaker 1: seventy five, seventy nine, and ninety two off my board,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm kind of like, all right, you like
Speaker 1: the value there? Yeah, yeah, all top one inside of
Speaker 1: one hundred right there. So to me, you know, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter where you pick them, just pick them. You know.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much their attitude, I believe. Going back to
Speaker 1: and I agree with you for the record, but going
Speaker 1: back to Kyle's point, and I think that is you
Speaker 1: don't have to agree with me, but I do. Actually,
Speaker 1: I'm right, like I said, I mean, that's that it
Speaker 1: wasn't a flashy draft at all. No, it was exactly
Speaker 1: it was almost textbook to how to move up and down,
Speaker 1: well not to move up or down, but not to
Speaker 1: move up down, no, no, but to to look at
Speaker 1: the board and and kind of gauge. You know, it's
Speaker 1: not gambling if you feel like, Okay, if we take
Speaker 1: this guy first, there's a good chance this next guy,
Speaker 1: I mean to me and Bobby could probably because Bobby's
Speaker 1: got some great sources in the sink there are people
Speaker 1: around the league that we're interested in. Taken Tilbern and
Speaker 1: taken Sam Williams and stuff like that. Bobby calls it purgatory,
Speaker 1: that picked right before it gets to you and and
Speaker 1: then you lose a guy, you know. So they they
Speaker 1: they navigated the board, how they felt like they needed
Speaker 1: to navigate the board, and you know, you hear stuff
Speaker 1: after the fact, and that's I think as early as
Speaker 1: like Saturday night. I think they did have guys that
Speaker 1: they considered moving up for at certain points in the draft.
Speaker 1: But at a certain point it got to it where
Speaker 1: they were like, well, look at this, Look at all
Speaker 1: the guys we've got good grades on. That'll just somebody
Speaker 1: will be there, right, Let's just throw these darts, man, Like,
Speaker 1: why why risk being wrong in a trade up when
Speaker 1: we can just throw four or five darts at guys
Speaker 1: that have similar grades. And that's when I said, I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I don't think after the Sam pick.
Speaker 1: Probably it's like starting with Tolbert and going through Ridgeway.
Speaker 1: I think the grades on all these guys were fairly close.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like they got pretty good value with
Speaker 1: all of these picks. And you hear about tight ends. Specifically,
Speaker 1: in that fourth round, Jake Ferguson wasn't necessarily the top
Speaker 1: name on their board, but he wasn't far off from
Speaker 1: the Ka Doton's and Daniel Bellinger's and the Charlie Cohlers
Speaker 1: that went before Ferguson. They felt good about Ferguson, they
Speaker 1: liked him overall. He just wasn't that number one got
Speaker 1: on their board. But they were so similar and so
Speaker 1: close together that it wasn't necessarily see that's where that's
Speaker 1: to me where I would have if they get colder
Speaker 1: at that spot and he goes right ahead of him,
Speaker 1: right ravens VENs drafted him. But if okay, say they
Speaker 1: tra colder, then on my board they've drafted five third
Speaker 1: round guys. You know, I mean again, I mean it's well,
Speaker 1: damn brought us that. Where's the first round grade on
Speaker 1: me on the You know this, well you're picking at
Speaker 1: twenty four though two? You know, let me tell you
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. Though our LSU linebacker, I
Speaker 1: kind of had him. I had him in a situation
Speaker 1: where if I'd have kept him on the board, I
Speaker 1: had a second round grade on that guy. You know,
Speaker 1: I really did. I mean, not because he's an LSU guy,
Speaker 1: but say you're not going to get him if he's
Speaker 1: not hurt unless you pick him probably at fifty six, Right,
Speaker 1: you're not going to get that player. What I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you, Brian, just out of curiosity, and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't I don't know. I would love to know the
Speaker 1: candid conversations. You've been in a war room many times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: was have there ever been years in year experience and
Speaker 1: we can't say that this is what the Cowboys thought
Speaker 1: or that they do think, or that they would think,
Speaker 1: but as there ever, was there ever a year in
Speaker 1: your history where like even the people in the war
Speaker 1: room were like, this is a this is a low
Speaker 1: developing class, Like this is a draft about the future,
Speaker 1: not a draft about this season that's about the start. No,
Speaker 1: I think that it was. I think that the conversation. See,
Speaker 1: I was a part of some teams in Green Bay
Speaker 1: where we were we were better, you know, so we
Speaker 1: were drafting just trying to kind of maintain what we
Speaker 1: were doing. Philadelphia, we were we were coming off being
Speaker 1: like we were a bad team, and so yeah, we
Speaker 1: just had to you really had to try. That draft
Speaker 1: ended up being more about their future than anything. You know,
Speaker 1: if you look at the Andy Reid future and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, Jacksonville, I was on the pro side of things,
Speaker 1: I mean to get you know, you know, there were
Speaker 1: some some picks that were a little bit questionable there
Speaker 1: that that we made at that time, and then in
Speaker 1: the Dallas stuff, it was like we were a bad
Speaker 1: team again, but we didn't help ourselves with any picks
Speaker 1: to make it any better until Parcels came in and
Speaker 1: then that's when things kind of turned around for us.
Speaker 1: But I think overall, you were always trying to draft, like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you were a good team, you were,
Speaker 1: you were trying to maintain that. If you're a bad team, like, man,
Speaker 1: we don't have enough damn picks to you know, to
Speaker 1: make this to turn around. Yeah, I think I mainly
Speaker 1: just wonder outwardly and rightfully. It's like every team in
Speaker 1: the league thinks they killed this draft. Oh absolutely that
Speaker 1: every year. Yeah, And I just wonder behind closed doors
Speaker 1: if if and it could it doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, but I just wonder if their front offices
Speaker 1: are ever like yeah, like we're we're we're drafting these
Speaker 1: guys for twenty twenty three. More, well, I think I
Speaker 1: think if you look at the linebacker from La Shoe,
Speaker 1: that's a twenty obviously that's that's that's a twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: But but I mean, yeah, I mean, we'll look at
Speaker 1: the Cowboys the history. They had a draft one time
Speaker 1: in the nineties where they drafted basically all special teams players. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like their roster was, Yeah, their roster was
Speaker 1: so deep that it was like literally all special teams guys,
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, who they get? And then and
Speaker 1: then that's where teams started to catch up with them.
Speaker 1: You know, teams once they had that draft, they stopped drafting,
Speaker 1: like rigging all Pro Hall of Fame players. They're drafting
Speaker 1: backups who are special teams guys because they're thinking, we
Speaker 1: can't we if anybody we draft's not going to beat
Speaker 1: out who we got. So that you know that that
Speaker 1: that attitude did happen here one time. I think that, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you get people off to the side and have
Speaker 1: them be honest about things, like I remember specifically somebody
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, like it was a very tepid and
Speaker 1: norse was like, we got some guys, we'll see if
Speaker 1: they can do something like that was kind of the feel.
Speaker 1: And twenty nineteen didn't turn out to be a great class.
Speaker 1: But so I mean that that has happened before, But
Speaker 1: that was not the sense I got talking to people
Speaker 1: this weekend. This weekend, they actually, I think, really liked
Speaker 1: the guys. They got a lot all the way from
Speaker 1: the top at Tyler Smith all the way through to
Speaker 1: Devin Harper, they liked the entire class. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: this is where to me, it's really going to be
Speaker 1: about the next two classes. You know, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: about the class from last year, you know, with the
Speaker 1: balls and guys like Dad Gholston. You know, can those
Speaker 1: guys make the step forward? Joseph? Can they all make
Speaker 1: the step forward? You know, to to help your team?
Speaker 1: And then you know it takes a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: off some of these. Now you're gonna need Smith to
Speaker 1: start it at guard, and you're gonna need Toilbert likely
Speaker 1: to play a role at wide receiver. You can't have
Speaker 1: him inactive every week. I think we would agree that
Speaker 1: those two, if nothing else, and maybe Sam Williams too,
Speaker 1: I would say you could get away with Sam Williams
Speaker 1: being a rotating player I don't think you can get
Speaker 1: away with Tyler Smith and Jalen Tolbert being starters. I
Speaker 1: bet at the end of the year we look at
Speaker 1: Sam Williams playing twenty five the Snaps and I think
Speaker 1: you can get away with that. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: have everywhere else. Yeah, I would tend to agree. The
Speaker 1: guy that I'm excited about and that of this class,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, is Ridgeway. I really am
Speaker 1: I'm excited about. I mean it's after that. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's next God, it's exciting to be
Speaker 1: scared of him through the phone. Yeah, it's exciting because again,
Speaker 1: the physicality that he plays with, the toughness he plays with.
Speaker 1: You know, but you're in a situation you know it's
Speaker 1: not always about making every tackle inside, but it's about
Speaker 1: it's about creating, like just clogging things up to where
Speaker 1: people can't run the ball, will you. You know, he
Speaker 1: might not make every tackle, but if you're That's the
Speaker 1: great thing about Jordan Davis. When you watch you talk
Speaker 1: to scouts around the league, he's like, not taking up
Speaker 1: two blocks, he's taken three. You know that that's if
Speaker 1: you're if you're clogging things up in the middle that bad.
Speaker 1: Then it makes that gives that back that indecision like
Speaker 1: that there's no push up front. Backs of course love
Speaker 1: it when you could get that push so they can
Speaker 1: read where the hole is developing. But if you get
Speaker 1: a guy like Ridgeway who's standing there just hammering those
Speaker 1: centers and guards and now there's no no place for
Speaker 1: these backs to go, that that's a that's a big
Speaker 1: part of your defense. Right. Let me ask you this
Speaker 1: because I remember so many people got excited about Quentin
Speaker 1: Bohannah because they just didn't draft guys like him on
Speaker 1: the previous regime. And I remember at some point being like,
Speaker 1: the hype on a sixth round pick is a little
Speaker 1: much for me. To me, this is to me, this
Speaker 1: is a different players. That's what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: didn't you sound like, I'm like, you expect more from
Speaker 1: Ridgeway than I would. That's what I'm saying. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I expect I expect more from Ridgeway the
Speaker 1: way he plays, and you know, with him and Bohanna
Speaker 1: and those guys, they talk about having two of those guys,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's but also Bohannah needs to be
Speaker 1: that in that mix where I was talking about with
Speaker 1: Gholston Cox, you know all these guys that didn't need
Speaker 1: you know, Joseph, these guys right their draft class from
Speaker 1: last year, Michael Parsons as a star, but those other
Speaker 1: guys need to not have where they play six games
Speaker 1: and they're good and then they fade away for the
Speaker 1: other eleven. They need they need those guys playing, much
Speaker 1: like with Doorg's Armstrong. Georg's Armstrong to me was always
Speaker 1: a guy that played really well one game and then
Speaker 1: you lost him for four, where I think last year
Speaker 1: he was more consistent. They need to get that from
Speaker 1: not only from the previous draft class. But I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm saying like I say, if they could pull just
Speaker 1: Smith being the starter and then Tolbert and then Williams
Speaker 1: and others kind of supplementing in I think that's a
Speaker 1: good thing. We've talked about it, We talked about it
Speaker 1: over the weekend. But on the off chance any listeners
Speaker 1: don't want to sift through eighteen hours of us acting
Speaker 1: a fool, Just have you learned anything or heard anything
Speaker 1: about Tyler Smith or it could even be just your
Speaker 1: impressions of him from his visit to the facility. How
Speaker 1: has your opinion changed from like Thursday evening when you
Speaker 1: were kind of getting the vibe that he was going
Speaker 1: to be the pick, to four or five days later
Speaker 1: when when you've really had a chance to take a
Speaker 1: deeper dive. I think the biggest thing with it is
Speaker 1: his projection, and early on and you're watching the player
Speaker 1: and you're looking at the tape, it's it's hit or
Speaker 1: miss with Tyler Smith sometimes, I mean, especially as a
Speaker 1: pass blocker, as a run blocker at the He's NFL
Speaker 1: ready right now, which is kind of it bodes well
Speaker 1: to his projection as a guard to go in and
Speaker 1: play at left guard. I think he's going to find
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones's ears. Yeah, sure, I think he can go
Speaker 1: in and find a spot as the starting left guard immediately.
Speaker 1: If he were to come in and be at the
Speaker 1: starting tackle and he's he's on an island and he's
Speaker 1: backing up and he's in past sets, that's when you
Speaker 1: have some troubles there. There's tape out there against Cincinnati
Speaker 1: and my J. Sanders is just absolutely having his way
Speaker 1: with Tyler Smith, and my J. Sanders was outside of
Speaker 1: the top one hundred pick to Arizona this past weekend.
Speaker 1: I liked my Jay more than anything. But I liked
Speaker 1: him because he went up against Tyler's shriff and absolutely
Speaker 1: destroyed the guy. Yeah, but most of those sets where
Speaker 1: he was getting beat against My j Sanders was in
Speaker 1: pass blocking sets. That's something that he can develop along
Speaker 1: the way while also immediately translating the guard. There were
Speaker 1: rumors out there, and I don't know how much truth
Speaker 1: there is to this, but there's rumors that if he
Speaker 1: were to stay at the collegiate level, he was a
Speaker 1: late declare. If he would have stayed around the college game,
Speaker 1: there's a chance he would have transferred to an SEC school,
Speaker 1: he would have started, and then he would have been
Speaker 1: up in the top category. Is maybe a top ten
Speaker 1: pick just based off of his projection alone. He's only
Speaker 1: twenty one years old, turned twenty one what three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and then you turn around then now he's an NFL player.
Speaker 1: He's got a high ceiling. It's just you got to
Speaker 1: get it out of him. That's up that Joe Philibin,
Speaker 1: that's up to Kellen Moore. It's those guys across the building. Now,
Speaker 1: they got to take advantage because they've got the guy,
Speaker 1: they've got the trades, they've got the potential. Now you've
Speaker 1: got to take advantage if he's a first round pick.
Speaker 1: I think they they're confident they're getting it out of
Speaker 1: him good. And I think that they feel like if
Speaker 1: he hits his potential Brian's favorite word, that ceiling, he
Speaker 1: gets to his sailing Brian. I think they feel like
Speaker 1: he comes out of this as the best tackle in
Speaker 1: the group. I think that that's genuinely how they feel
Speaker 1: about it, and they think they're going to get that
Speaker 1: out of him. It's just a matter of who's going
Speaker 1: to get it out of him. You've got a chance here,
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Philbin and these offensive coaches, you can
Speaker 1: get this out of him. And you know, if you can't,
Speaker 1: well we'll find somebody else doing. But somebody's going to
Speaker 1: get it out of him because we believe he can
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah. I think the thing that I became
Speaker 1: away with him is I didn't know the personality. You know,
Speaker 1: this is the great advantage, Like we all we all
Speaker 1: get to watch the tape and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden we get to talk to the kid. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you're going, Ah, I see it.
Speaker 1: I can see how he could come off in an interview.
Speaker 1: I could see how he can come off as you know,
Speaker 1: there's things you know, you talk to him. There's things
Speaker 1: that we had a chance to interview him on the
Speaker 1: radio the day, and there's things he says that you're like,
Speaker 1: man for a young kid, he gets this, he understands this.
Speaker 1: I think Bobby's onto something very interesting. You know that
Speaker 1: now the pressure is on Mike McCarthy, Kellen Moore, Joe Philbin.
Speaker 1: You know you you know, if you if you don't
Speaker 1: find a way that McCarthy even said himself, three draft
Speaker 1: classes now, three draft classes. You know you got to
Speaker 1: find a way to you know, because I feel like
Speaker 1: some teams in your division got a little bit better.
Speaker 1: I felt like the Giants got a little bit better.
Speaker 1: You know. It felt like the Commanders got a little
Speaker 1: bit better. You know, Eagles got a little it better.
Speaker 1: So maybe the gap. You know, you still have the
Speaker 1: best quarterback in the division, you know, and that always helps.
Speaker 1: But you know, they they've added some pieces, those other
Speaker 1: teams have added some pieces along the way to make
Speaker 1: it not so much maybe a six oh cake walk
Speaker 1: for you during the year. I think we've all heard
Speaker 1: the rumor that Tyler Smith wouldn't have finished his college
Speaker 1: career at Tulsa hadn't he stayed. And it's a great point,
Speaker 1: and I think it gives you a really good idea
Speaker 1: of the type of talent you're talking about. Like, if
Speaker 1: this kid could go to an Alabama and start and
Speaker 1: maybe be a top ten pick, that's wonderful. I do
Speaker 1: think the caveat there is had he done that, that
Speaker 1: is a full season of developing in the SEC where
Speaker 1: to be a top five it's a step up from Tulsa,
Speaker 1: but it's not the NFL. And you're also probably going
Speaker 1: to a program that is used to pumping these kids out.
Speaker 1: I mean, Bannat has top ten tackle every year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're in a situation too. Let's not forget that
Speaker 1: Cincinnati from that conference made it to the playoffs, so
Speaker 1: they're playing good football. It's just a matter of maybe
Speaker 1: some of the coaching, maybe it's he's such a good
Speaker 1: player that you don't mess with him technique wise, you
Speaker 1: just don't saying as a coach, you're kind of like,
Speaker 1: do you really are you really pulling it? I'm I'm
Speaker 1: again It's not like I'm taking a slam at Tulsa there,
Speaker 1: but it's like, sometimes you let these star players play,
Speaker 1: just do it, just just play, whereas maybe if you
Speaker 1: do go to one of these other places and stuff
Speaker 1: the competition again that that you know, playoff team from
Speaker 1: that from that American Athletic Conference. There was part of it.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean that, you know, so much as a
Speaker 1: knock on Tulsa. I guess my point sounded like it not. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I meant it more along the lines of like,
Speaker 1: it's great if he's got the talent to play at
Speaker 1: an Alabama. Yeah, that's still that's a year of coaching
Speaker 1: that he's getting that he's not now the coaching needs
Speaker 1: to happen here, right, That's the point I was trying,
Speaker 1: And that's the point. I think Bobby's onto and he's right,
Speaker 1: But I think this, I think this is a year
Speaker 1: where and we've talked a bad bunch on one, O
Speaker 1: five three. The fan is that they're they're in a
Speaker 1: situation right now with the evaluation of the coaches, especially
Speaker 1: the way dan Quinn's contract is. Yeah, you know, it
Speaker 1: appears to me that dan Quinn has got the kind
Speaker 1: of contract now where you know, Mike McCarthy's like, I
Speaker 1: wish we wouldn't have had to go through all this
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But yeah, there's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure on this offensive staff. The defensive staff appears
Speaker 1: to be able to develop players. I was having a
Speaker 1: conversation with some guys coming on on the way over here.
Speaker 1: We're like, you know, if this if Tyler Smith was
Speaker 1: playing for Dan Quinn, I wouldn't worry at all about
Speaker 1: this pick. But I would. I worry, you know, I worry.
Speaker 1: And we interviewed Joe Philban. He was super nice to us.
Speaker 1: I was and here's a guy that again I'm sit
Speaker 1: there thinking, okay, Joe Philman, here I am. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that wants to get rid of you,
Speaker 1: you know. But he was. He was very cordial and
Speaker 1: very nice about the interview and stuff like that. A pro,
Speaker 1: but you know, there's pressure on him to get this
Speaker 1: to get this line playing like it was halfway through
Speaker 1: the season last year. There's been a lot of talk
Speaker 1: about Tyler Smith's hands and his hand usage and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. His feet, their feet or which you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to clean up to those pass sets. But that's
Speaker 1: the thing again, it's almost like he doesn't know. And
Speaker 1: Joe FilmOn kind of talked about it. There is something
Speaker 1: intriguing about a clean slate. You're not having it. You
Speaker 1: can basically build somebody up in the habits that you
Speaker 1: want wonderful if you do a good job and if
Speaker 1: you do a bad job. If you if you don't
Speaker 1: do a good job, they will. It's okay, there's one
Speaker 1: of our litmus tests to find someone else. Bobby, Do
Speaker 1: you feel like maybe the way, if I'm reading you right,
Speaker 1: you feel like that this was more of a Scouts
Speaker 1: pick than it was the coaches one a ready made
Speaker 1: guy and this is not a ready made guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I think the Scouts are really really high
Speaker 1: on him. Love it. Yeah, I mean there there because
Speaker 1: their whole thing is about the projection. It's just a
Speaker 1: coach needs to go get it out of him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a coach. You know, if it's kind of like win
Speaker 1: now and her jobs are on the line. We'd rather
Speaker 1: have a plug and blake than somebody we got to
Speaker 1: build from the ground up. So yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: the case. But I also think there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people on the coaching stuff. We're also intrigued by
Speaker 1: him and are excited to get their hands on Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: these are the traits that we can build something really special.
Speaker 1: We will have two more segments not to mention the
Speaker 1: whole summer to argue about Tyler Smith. We will get
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Speaker 1: questions and I love this question. I hope I'm not
Speaker 1: putting ya all on the spot too much. But our
Speaker 1: our buddy rabble Rouser Cowboy blogger, you're probably familiar with him.
Speaker 1: What do you think and we'll just we'll keep this
Speaker 1: to the big picks because it just gets too complicated
Speaker 1: on day three. Uh, what do you think are the
Speaker 1: picks at twenty four or fifty six and eighty eight
Speaker 1: if the guys they took got snatched out from under him? Like,
Speaker 1: what do you think the fall batch? I know, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I know I'm putting you on the spot.
Speaker 1: I wish I had this question to sit down and
Speaker 1: look it out. And you're saying if Tyler Smith, just
Speaker 1: if let's say, let's say the Titans trade up to
Speaker 1: twenty three and snatch him, Okay, scene, I think scene,
Speaker 1: I think Devin Lloyd and scene. Yeah, the ones that
Speaker 1: come into my head are Devin Lloyd and Lewis which
Speaker 1: we didn't talk a lot about Lewis scene, but I'm
Speaker 1: I can tell you now after the fact that he
Speaker 1: was pretty highly graded on their board, which would have
Speaker 1: been crazy. The one year that they actually had the
Speaker 1: safety depth is the one year they actually drafted, and
Speaker 1: that's high. That's why I think I think it would
Speaker 1: have been Lloyd because they would look at it and say,
Speaker 1: we've got two safeties under contract. Probably, I think that
Speaker 1: that's safe. Devin Lloyd at twenty four, Am I not
Speaker 1: allowed to cheat and say at fifty six that it
Speaker 1: would have been Jaylen Tolbert if it wasn't Sam. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean that's because that's outside the spirit of the exercise.
Speaker 1: But if you want to, yeah, I won't do that.
Speaker 1: Um gosh, I tell you, I'm looking at the order
Speaker 1: online and like, there isn't a name that jumps out
Speaker 1: to me, like in the ten spots after Sam Williams. No,
Speaker 1: I don't see it. Nay Anderson at Ingram, cam taylor Bridge.
Speaker 1: Would they have taken one of those? Would they have
Speaker 1: taken one of those cards? Yes? I mean would you've
Speaker 1: taken I mean it was like Canard on their board
Speaker 1: you mentioned medical. Okay, so maybe it's say, maybe it's
Speaker 1: Luke Fortner yeah, or he's yeah, Abraham Lucas yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: So if they went who were so first? Devin Lloyd? Second,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe they go at Ingram. Maybe they
Speaker 1: go and take because they need available because Fortner I
Speaker 1: know they've viewed as center. Oh but I mean theoretically
Speaker 1: viewed Zion as a center too. But they viewed Dianas
Speaker 1: could play guard regularly. Fortner was your center. Um, Ingram's
Speaker 1: a good guess, Ingram. And then they're at eighty eight. Um,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Some sort of receiver at that point,
Speaker 1: probably who went a few picks after that. David Bell
Speaker 1: was the first receiver off the board after Tolbert's David Bell.
Speaker 1: I'm Carlton, did that man? No favorite? If you guys,
Speaker 1: may guys, may you imagine people's reaction if they wait
Speaker 1: till eighty eight to get a receiver and it's a
Speaker 1: guy that ran a four seven one or whatever. It's possible,
Speaker 1: It's possible. I just Tolbert wasn't there. He might have
Speaker 1: been the pick. They met with him, they pop, you
Speaker 1: know where I could see they go. They go, uh,
Speaker 1: well maybe um as Ukama, maybe um Lloyd, let's say
Speaker 1: Lloyd Ingram, Michael Clemens, Texas. How would you feel about that?
Speaker 1: I think not as good. I think I feel better
Speaker 1: about what they got. Yeah, could you throw maybe Sean
Speaker 1: Ryan into that into that mix? In the third round?
Speaker 1: He went, I didn't. I mean, they could have been interested.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear a ton like of them tied to him.
Speaker 1: But I could have he had guard tackle flexibility. They
Speaker 1: probably would have taken Dave's guy, Rashod White, running back
Speaker 1: from Arizona State. I would see, what's funny, is Zachary
Speaker 1: Carter Brian's dude, Brian's guy. Yeah, Rashad White's my guy.
Speaker 1: But if the Cowboys had spent a third round pick
Speaker 1: on him, I might have I would have needed a minute.
Speaker 1: The more I look at they might Honestly, they might
Speaker 1: go ought in there. Oh yeah, that's points at eighty
Speaker 1: eight because they were considering trading up for him at one,
Speaker 1: one o six. So yeah, if they were wiped on
Speaker 1: the receivers, they'd probably go out. I think we figured
Speaker 1: it out pretty well then. Yeah, good, really good question.
Speaker 1: I love stuff like that. Zach wants to know if
Speaker 1: you think they have any free agency moves in them
Speaker 1: now that the draft is over. I mean some of
Speaker 1: the stuff we were talking about swing tackles and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Jerry said, Nope, not getting one now. So
Speaker 1: I guess we'll just surprise you at all, just because
Speaker 1: a little bit. You're putting a lot of faith in
Speaker 1: two guys that have never played in the NFL, Josh
Speaker 1: Ball and um. Well, but they need to play. But
Speaker 1: you're but I mean, yeah, you drafted them, and you're
Speaker 1: putting a lot of faith. I think you're also saying,
Speaker 1: Matt will let's go. Like for some reason, his name,
Speaker 1: I'm like you with this guy, like his name is
Speaker 1: like a mental block for me. Let's go, let's go,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. Yeah, I keep thinking of the
Speaker 1: Cartel song Let's Go. I think honestly that I think
Speaker 1: I think to be to be honest with you, I
Speaker 1: think you need ball to be the swing and I
Speaker 1: think Let's Go needs to be the red shirt guy,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I mean that's what's but Ball's
Speaker 1: played just as many snaps in the regular season as
Speaker 1: Let's go. But that goes, that goes. Did they have
Speaker 1: Let's Go great a higher than ball was last year?
Speaker 1: I think they did. Okay. Well, then, let you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see some competition there for sure. But I'd
Speaker 1: like to see some competition at right tackle. To be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I would do you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd like to see Terrence Steele pushed a
Speaker 1: little bit. If one of these guys is better than Steele,
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's go there. I mean I think
Speaker 1: they feel like they had their coups. I think they
Speaker 1: felt like they had their competition at right tackle last year.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why Terrence steals the guy. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but like I said, it goes back not
Speaker 1: only not only talking about the development of Smith, but
Speaker 1: how about a ball you know, how about how about
Speaker 1: some of these other guys, how about Farniac, how about
Speaker 1: you know, it's not just about Smith, even though Smith
Speaker 1: is your start, but how about McGovern. I mean, how
Speaker 1: about development. If they've got so many as these young guys,
Speaker 1: who's going to step up Either if none of those
Speaker 1: guys step up at all, either either they don't know
Speaker 1: what the hell they're doing drafting offensive lineman or they
Speaker 1: need to get a new offensive line coach. How over
Speaker 1: the last four years, I think this is a great
Speaker 1: point offensive line. And I'm not trying to kill Philbin.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, there, if you know, if
Speaker 1: running game Moses here, Bill Callahan's here or something like that,
Speaker 1: that we kind of seem like, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe you feel a little bit better about the development.
Speaker 1: The only guy is Tyler Beotist that's had significant and
Speaker 1: playing time out if anybody they've added. Maybe Terrence Steel
Speaker 1: is one exception there. And even they didn't even draft
Speaker 1: the guy, they waited until an undrafted free agency period
Speaker 1: to sign him. So I agree with you. I think
Speaker 1: the pressure is on this offensive staff to start developed
Speaker 1: developing these offensive line guys. It's been so neglected for
Speaker 1: so long. Now you got to figure it out. You've
Speaker 1: got pressure put either they're really poor drafting offensive linemen
Speaker 1: or they need to go a different direction of how
Speaker 1: they develop. That's that's that's the that's gonna be the
Speaker 1: what you you're gonna learn this this year. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting too, because everybody from the top down. McCarthy
Speaker 1: said it at owner's meetings, Jerry and Stephen have said
Speaker 1: it in the press conferences, and Joe told us when
Speaker 1: he was on with us, like Farniac and Ball, they're
Speaker 1: just they're working, work, work. That's great. But so now
Speaker 1: you're raising my expectations, Like if y'all shat up about
Speaker 1: what they're doing, then I want to see it on
Speaker 1: the field. Wise, you're full of crowd now. And I
Speaker 1: think that they saw what this defensive coaching staff did
Speaker 1: at all three levels of the defense, like not just
Speaker 1: with bringing young players along, but getting veterans like Curse,
Speaker 1: you know, Curse who come in here and have career
Speaker 1: years that they've never had in the NFL. And I
Speaker 1: think they saw that and thought, Okay, we need to
Speaker 1: start seeing the same sort of development ability from the
Speaker 1: offensive offensive side. So to say we're not bringing in
Speaker 1: a swing tackles because we've invested the capital over there
Speaker 1: and now the coaches need to make it work. I
Speaker 1: like that. I like that, Eric says, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith and Jalen Tolbert are both Group of five prospects.
Speaker 1: They draft an FCS prospect in Matt will Let's go,
Speaker 1: is this just the board falling that way or are
Speaker 1: we seeing a change in philosophy and the type of
Speaker 1: players they're willing to look at. Sam Williams also transferred.
Speaker 1: He was like a community college guy too, so he
Speaker 1: ended at Old Miss, but I mean he started his
Speaker 1: career like he would have had the same trajectory that Tyler.
Speaker 1: I know whatever, I know why, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: didn't you ask Will that question one time? And he
Speaker 1: kind of laughed, Yeah, Well, I mean Will always gives me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's given me crap before He's like, why do you
Speaker 1: think that? And I'm like, you know, rolling out my
Speaker 1: scroll of Cowboys picks, like, uh, this is why. But
Speaker 1: it's hard, Like it gets hard. I mean they've been
Speaker 1: willing to do it. On day three. Reggie Robinson, Ben Denucci,
Speaker 1: I know some guys are, I mean Tony Pollard technically
Speaker 1: memphisis and Power five, But to use premium picks on
Speaker 1: it a first rounder at that, I mean that is
Speaker 1: a little bit of a departure. Who have they been
Speaker 1: interested in? Like, like, who can we even think of
Speaker 1: people they've been tied to at the first round pick?
Speaker 1: That was like that Layton also, I guess, but I
Speaker 1: don't like boys. It's like it's like I was, I
Speaker 1: was told by somebody here. I was like, people gotta
Speaker 1: stop talking about Boise and North Dakota State as like smaller,
Speaker 1: Like I've touched something there, Like North Dakota State's turned
Speaker 1: out three NFL quarterbacks in a row. You guys, that's
Speaker 1: a real program, right, Okay exactly? So like for them
Speaker 1: to yeah, I can't. I can't think of anybody that's
Speaker 1: been tied to them. The first round picks are Ohio State,
Speaker 1: Penn state SEC schools like this is a little bit
Speaker 1: of a departure from what we've seen. Is it more
Speaker 1: of an indictment on the draft class or the way
Speaker 1: that they they viewed the depth of the draft class,
Speaker 1: because like we talked about, there's so much of a
Speaker 1: jumbled mix and there's no general consensus on these prospects.
Speaker 1: I will I think, I think that you're onto something.
Speaker 1: But I will also say this, every time I saw
Speaker 1: a guy like we mentioned wattson the wide receiver, you know,
Speaker 1: kids from Tampa, Well, let's go, I'm looking at him.
Speaker 1: I'm going why is he not playing at per Due?
Speaker 1: Why is he not playing at Indiana? Why is he
Speaker 1: not playing at one of these other schools. I think
Speaker 1: what happens is you talk about drafting some of these kids.
Speaker 1: I think these college recruiters miss on some of these
Speaker 1: guys and they end up at Talbert, ends up at
Speaker 1: South Alabama instead of playing at Tennessee or Vanderbilt or
Speaker 1: one of those places. Tolbert I think even was another
Speaker 1: one who had an opportunity to transferring didn't see That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, he chose not, And it's
Speaker 1: going to get worse because what happens with his transfer.
Speaker 1: Poor thing. These these programs are not going to recruit.
Speaker 1: They're just gonna take kids from these schools. You know,
Speaker 1: they're not going to even have to recruit anymore. Really,
Speaker 1: the really good programs aren't. One thing I've heard from
Speaker 1: athletic departments across the country is that they're going to
Speaker 1: have to rerecruit every kid they've ever signed every year.
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's going to be the case. It's
Speaker 1: going to have an effect on the NFL draft, if anything,
Speaker 1: it already has. I mean, I think they liked I
Speaker 1: think they also liked Penning. Like I think there's a
Speaker 1: scenario where Penning could have been the pick for them,
Speaker 1: and so it's like, you know, there's they've they were
Speaker 1: not really and Stephen kind of laid the groundwork for
Speaker 1: that in the pre JAFT press conference where somebody asked
Speaker 1: him about some small school guys and he's like, I
Speaker 1: think that's just coincident. We we don't have any hard
Speaker 1: and fast rule. We've had plenty of interesting it. So,
Speaker 1: but I also think that these kids that they're drafting
Speaker 1: did some college programs probably missed. And you guys mentioned
Speaker 1: that these guys if they could Tolbert Smith, they could
Speaker 1: have gone to other schools. Definitely. You know, these kids
Speaker 1: probably should have been playing it. You know, Smith should
Speaker 1: probably been playing at Oklahoma State or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm should have been playing at TCU. That
Speaker 1: was his hometown. That I'm saying. It's been a big
Speaker 1: in a Big twelve program. I will remember for a
Speaker 1: long time that Christian Watson grew up in Tampa, had
Speaker 1: to go to South Dako or sar excuse North Dakotota. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even first see that's I'm saying. And you wonder why, Okay,
Speaker 1: where was We're central Florida. I mean they they're in
Speaker 1: that same you know thing with Cincinnati and SMU and
Speaker 1: all those people, and that that happens every somebody. Penning
Speaker 1: was a zero star recruit. Josh Allen the quarterback few
Speaker 1: years back, he was a zero star recruit. So I mean,
Speaker 1: it happens. And Houston's in that conversation too, like there's
Speaker 1: some good programs in that man. And I wonder if
Speaker 1: even though the medical appears to be clear now, I
Speaker 1: wonder if also some colleges were scared off by the
Speaker 1: whole knee issue with Tyler Smith Oh, that may have
Speaker 1: been more of a question at the time he was
Speaker 1: getting recruited. Yeah, that's probably gone under discussed because, like
Speaker 1: because there's just so much debate about the pick of
Speaker 1: Like this guy was a bow legged like five years ago.
Speaker 1: That's wild. Yeah, um, got plenty of time to get
Speaker 1: into that. He will be here for four or five years. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of this is finalized. But the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen all the names of the undrafted guys.
Speaker 1: There's about twenty of them, and just a lot of
Speaker 1: people have asked if you have any intriguing names, names
Speaker 1: that jump out to you, Uh, you know, just that
Speaker 1: sort of thing, guys that you want to see get
Speaker 1: out here. Karate jazz. Your guy Stewart here, Isaac Taylor Stewart,
Speaker 1: the guy who is a US degree taekwondo black belt
Speaker 1: or some saxophone. No, he's he's just obsessed with jazz music.
Speaker 1: He meditates all the time, like he's he's just a
Speaker 1: different West personality, West Coast guy. That's my kind of guy.
Speaker 1: And traits like I mean, there's these they talked about.
Speaker 1: We heard it from I think everybody who came in
Speaker 1: here when they're talking about players, they talked about the height,
Speaker 1: weight speed parameters, like he fits the height weight speed parameter.
Speaker 1: He's fast, he's long, he's got good six and I like, personally,
Speaker 1: I know everybody else like hated the guy apparently. I
Speaker 1: mean he went on drawing, but I mean I thought
Speaker 1: like he had natural instincts. He had you know, he
Speaker 1: could turn his hips. He could. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: an impressive player. I gave him a one three six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of the draft that did, and then he
Speaker 1: reversed it went one sixty three. No, I had to
Speaker 1: pull the Jim Garrett on you there. I'll say this
Speaker 1: note I had, I had him in the stack. I
Speaker 1: had Taylor Stewart at one seventy seven of one ninety.
Speaker 1: I had Malik Davis the running back at one eighty eight.
Speaker 1: I had Alec Lynstrom the center guard from Boston College
Speaker 1: at one eighty one. And James Impy. I think that's
Speaker 1: a same Boston College. He's a center guard. I had
Speaker 1: him at b YU at one ninety one. So, I
Speaker 1: mean of the of the smart they talk about MP
Speaker 1: being really really smart. Of those guys I had, that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of where I had my guys he's like
Speaker 1: twenty five or twenty six. Yeah. Yeah, you get a
Speaker 1: lot of the older b YU players. Hey, but you're
Speaker 1: probably I mean twenty five. Tyler Smith just turned twenty one.
Speaker 1: This guy's twenty five. I mean, think of the growing
Speaker 1: you do in those in the five years. He's really
Speaker 1: impressive with whiteboard work. Apparently people think he's really smart.
Speaker 1: I'd like to mention do Ontario drumming from Old miss
Speaker 1: as the wide receiver as maybe I didn't see him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a guy who could play special teams. He has
Speaker 1: some some decent ability. He's just not fat. It's the
Speaker 1: forty that's really you gotta you gotta kind of six five.
Speaker 1: You got a thing for the slower receivers. Huh, you're
Speaker 1: a David Bell guy. I wouldn't have. Okay, let's not
Speaker 1: get twisted. I wasn't a big gap. You love Noah
Speaker 1: Brown coming out, that's my guy. Watched He watched Mia
Speaker 1: Brown play against Oklahoma like his game of the game
Speaker 1: of the year. Take him the first round. Crazy. I
Speaker 1: also like try fry fogel, fry fogel. Goodness gracious, and
Speaker 1: that is that's a handful. Yeah, Indiana, he was like
Speaker 1: really big couple years ago when Dana was winning. No,
Speaker 1: he's a white wide receiver. Okay, yeah, he wore number
Speaker 1: three for Indiana and uh he was one of the
Speaker 1: like big targets, big receivers and then like whenever they
Speaker 1: lost their quarterback, his just stock tanked anything. I think
Speaker 1: Aaron Hansford makes this team linebacker. They will have a
Speaker 1: couple of guys line Yeah, just pencil and linebacker is
Speaker 1: the easiest spot. I think they're thin, and they're thin
Speaker 1: in the depth part. Yeah, and that that's special team's
Speaker 1: character gift. We always had some sance about time if
Speaker 1: you wanted to upgrade those spots. Was it size that
Speaker 1: knocked Lindstrom? So, I mean I think every analyst that
Speaker 1: I look six three two ninety five. So he's a
Speaker 1: little undersized. Chris Lindstrom's brother. Really, there's another one of those.
Speaker 1: Here's none of those left handed snappers. By the way,
Speaker 1: he comes from family though of football player. Everybody that
Speaker 1: I follows had somewhere between a fourth and a sixth
Speaker 1: on him. So to get him undrafted, I'm intrigued and
Speaker 1: and empy as well. Well, see that's I'm scene. I
Speaker 1: have a feeling I have a feeling that the A
Speaker 1: C corner some of those guys. I guarantee if you
Speaker 1: ask Will about this or anybody in the scoun department,
Speaker 1: they'll tell you that's the first place they go when
Speaker 1: it comes to trying to get their free agents. Now,
Speaker 1: they were in an unusual situation where they had to wait,
Speaker 1: like the draft. That draft was still going when they
Speaker 1: were done. Yeah you know. So now they're trying to
Speaker 1: recruit kids while the drafts still going on. And some
Speaker 1: kid picks up the phone like, oh the Cowboys, No,
Speaker 1: we're here recruiting it. Oh, you're not here drafting me.
Speaker 1: We used all of our picks, but we really love
Speaker 1: you even though we just to their credit, they got
Speaker 1: some guys. I mean, I mean, I know they picked
Speaker 1: off four guys off my draft board that I know.
Speaker 1: I just I'm such a cynic, like, oh no, if
Speaker 1: somebody called me and when they were like, god, we
Speaker 1: love you so much, we'd love to get you down here,
Speaker 1: I would just be like Tony Romo, eddie with it. Now,
Speaker 1: I will say, out of my top thirty interior offensive
Speaker 1: lineman thirty, I had three guys undrafted. One was Donovan
Speaker 1: West out of Arizona State, who we talked about. The
Speaker 1: other two were Alec winst him and James mp So.
Speaker 1: I like what they did from off the line standpoint
Speaker 1: a lot. It reminds me, and I think we brought
Speaker 1: it up there in the draft coverage. It reminds me
Speaker 1: of them getting Brandon Knight and Mitch Hyatt in the
Speaker 1: same undrafted class, which, well, you can joke all you want.
Speaker 1: I mean they got useful snaps out of Brandon Knight
Speaker 1: for like two years. Oh yeah, we'll see. This is
Speaker 1: interesting because, like I said, I was retreading my note
Speaker 1: about I was just reading my notes about Lyndstrom, you know,
Speaker 1: and because I was saying he was a left handed
Speaker 1: center and you don't see many of those guys, but
Speaker 1: he's got the He doesn't have the sides like of
Speaker 1: a Creed Humphrey who was a left handed sit and
Speaker 1: can't see he has, but the footwork and the athletic
Speaker 1: ability of just staying with this guy and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And I think this guy, when he hooks up on people,
Speaker 1: he can sustain. Yeah, that's the one thing that I
Speaker 1: really really like. I mean, he's not gonna you know,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna get a lot of push. But you know,
Speaker 1: there were several snaps that said in the in the
Speaker 1: in the Clemson game that I watched, where they put
Speaker 1: a nose right on top of him and he was
Speaker 1: able to handle that. So I was encouraged by that.
Speaker 1: I thought there was a lot of positives to his game.
Speaker 1: You know, Jerry talk about, oh, don't give me a
Speaker 1: guy that gets rocked back, pushed back and all that.
Speaker 1: I didn't see this guy being that type of guy
Speaker 1: for only being sixty three, two ninety six. Any kicker
Speaker 1: takes John Fossil got his guy with Jonathan Garabay. You
Speaker 1: know all about this guy, right, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't think about this. I thought this. I thought this
Speaker 1: was the guy you were. This is not my guy,
Speaker 1: the tech kicker. But everybody I talked, sixty two yarder
Speaker 1: to Iowa State or something boomed one in from sixty
Speaker 1: two and he was I think he went fifteen to sixteen. Hey, Brett,
Speaker 1: he went. He went twenty five to twenty seven for
Speaker 1: his career and fifteen of sixteen as a senior. Brett
Speaker 1: Maher made a sixty yarder at the end of the
Speaker 1: preseason to win a job. So yeah, I mean, unless
Speaker 1: they signed somebody else, it's between him and the guy
Speaker 1: they already had. Nagar I think as his the SMU
Speaker 1: kicker who has taken it. He has attempted one NFL
Speaker 1: field goal, I believe when he was briefly with the Jets.
Speaker 1: So I mean not much in the way of Jeff Heath.
Speaker 1: I mean kicking at this point. For kicking he might
Speaker 1: have shot. He might. I mean I feel like kickers
Speaker 1: had to have been lining up to sign here because
Speaker 1: this is just an obvious chance to win a job.
Speaker 1: A few that got released. I wonder if they'd look
Speaker 1: at any of those veterans that got released after the drift,
Speaker 1: just just as like training camp would like. I would
Speaker 1: like to think so, because again, like even what how
Speaker 1: do you pronounce it? Kyle, I thought that's what I said.
Speaker 1: I think you said something different. Whatever Garabee. They say
Speaker 1: Garabe all day is what's something like A would like
Speaker 1: I would like to he was automatic on pas. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he missed two in two years, so he's yeah, which
Speaker 1: fifty nine or forty nine fifty this year? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would still like to think they bring in a guy
Speaker 1: who's kicked in the NFL. I don't know one combined
Speaker 1: attempt in the league between two kickers at training campus.
Speaker 1: Come man, that's not the way bones rolls. It's kind
Speaker 1: of scary. All right, We've got there's one big question
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Speaker 1: nine dollars. There's way better things to do with that money. Hey,
Speaker 1: I agree. Don't don't underestimate the power of the internet.
Speaker 1: Don't tempt me. I paid you like you got two
Speaker 1: hundred dollars in your pocket during the season last Jobby
Speaker 1: Bobby is Bobby's got like three kids and he's just
Speaker 1: reckless with his money. Yeah, he's like go on the
Speaker 1: radio and say sixty nine. It'll be funny. I called
Speaker 1: j nine goys like literally every Sunday I get a text.
Speaker 1: He's like work in like work in a way that
Speaker 1: this guy. It was just for a pregame show. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're such a sure. This is why he called Dak
Speaker 1: Dakie Pete. Yeah. It's like he's like call him Dakie
Speaker 1: Pete and there's one hundred dollars in it for you.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, if you're just gonna get to do
Speaker 1: it twice, if you're just giving it away, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: I was wondering, why what is he doing making money?
Speaker 1: You would have aciate that making some money. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: We got ten minutes left in this You and r
Speaker 1: are just puzzled, literally no, literally, just making quizzical faces
Speaker 1: at me, like what is he doing? I'm like, Bobby's
Speaker 1: over there, just like not even saying a word. Planet
Speaker 1: When we get off the air, I just I wanna,
Speaker 1: I wanna. I want to get right down to it,
Speaker 1: because I think this is this is something that a
Speaker 1: lot of people are wondering about coming out of this draft.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys lost a lot of talent and free agency
Speaker 1: from a team that won twelve games, put a lot
Speaker 1: of emphasis on this draft, and so, I mean, there
Speaker 1: are varying opinions about the draft, but at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, I just think the question is is
Speaker 1: this team better right now than the one that got
Speaker 1: knocked out of the playoffs in the first round And Obviously,
Speaker 1: we don't one hundred percent know the answer to that.
Speaker 1: We the guys aren't even in the building yet. We
Speaker 1: got OTAs and a whole training camp and everything. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody thought much of, not didn't think much of,
Speaker 1: but nobody thought Michael Parsons was going to be defensive
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year. But even still, I'll give you
Speaker 1: some leeway to be wrong. But just what is your
Speaker 1: gut opinion about that? Right now? The talent is not better,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can say, but is the is
Speaker 1: the culture or the personalities? Are the are the play
Speaker 1: styles and things like that, all the things that going
Speaker 1: to It's the old Scott Poli line of it's not
Speaker 1: the best fifty three players, it's the right fifty three players.
Speaker 1: Like are these the right guys? That's what remains to
Speaker 1: be seen because they clearly were deficient, and like we
Speaker 1: talked about the toughness, the attitude, I think they felt
Speaker 1: like at times they were missing leadership in certain position,
Speaker 1: groups and things like that. Do they have that now?
Speaker 1: Has that been remedied or are you building a culture
Speaker 1: more of the culture that you want? And if that's
Speaker 1: the case, then they could be better. But I mean
Speaker 1: that that just remains to be seen. We can't know
Speaker 1: that until we start seeing them. You know, worked it.
Speaker 1: It was evident inside of two weeks who Michael Parsons was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I think we'll know pretty quick who some
Speaker 1: of these guys are. And even that's a rare case.
Speaker 1: Usually if you're a rookie, if you're a leader as
Speaker 1: a rookie, then you're a Micah Parsons, And he's as
Speaker 1: rare as anybody in a first year in NFL role
Speaker 1: that has ever played the game. Then you turn around
Speaker 1: most of these guys, if they're going to be quote
Speaker 1: unquote leaders in that locker room, it would be two, three,
Speaker 1: four years down the road. But right now, just based
Speaker 1: off of the personalities and the guys that they've drafted,
Speaker 1: I'm right there with Bobby. I do not think they're
Speaker 1: better from a talent standpoint. Sure there's room for improvement
Speaker 1: in a couple of areas, especially offensive line. Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: could come in and be a better offensive guard than
Speaker 1: Connor Williams was last year. There's a potential for that,
Speaker 1: isn't the expectation? Maybe not, he would hope it is,
Speaker 1: but maybe it won't happen. But from a toughness standpoint,
Speaker 1: I think they are tougher than they were whenever they
Speaker 1: concluded the year in the wild card round. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think to me, because I was just going through, just
Speaker 1: looking at the schedule and and you better be better.
Speaker 1: You better because it looked eay for like two weeks
Speaker 1: you were like like we got this Tennessee, Tennessee, Green Bay, Cincinnati, Tampa, Indie.
Speaker 1: Plus you know what you got to deal with with
Speaker 1: your own schedule and stuff like I mean, with your
Speaker 1: own division. Um, this the whole, the whole thing. To me,
Speaker 1: the key of this is going to be the quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, is the team going to be better because
Speaker 1: of the quarterback? Are they going to find ways to
Speaker 1: help him? Are they? You know, as this left guard,
Speaker 1: if we don't have a revolving door at left guard,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen at right tackle? Are the receivers?
Speaker 1: You know you've you've lost you know, you lost a
Speaker 1: pretty big piece there at receiver. You know, are they
Speaker 1: going to be able to step in replace that? You
Speaker 1: know what they lost? Defensively? I think that to me,
Speaker 1: I trust what's going to happen on defense? Last year,
Speaker 1: it's taking Oh, this offense, if the defense could just
Speaker 1: be top fifteen. You know, I trust what's going to
Speaker 1: happen on this defense, I really do. I trust the
Speaker 1: coaching staff, I trust the players. I think that'll be fine.
Speaker 1: I do worry about Kellen Moore. I do worry about
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I do worry about the Joe Philbin. Then
Speaker 1: the offensive line. You know, can they can't? You know,
Speaker 1: if they don't, if they don't run the ball, or
Speaker 1: they don't show better balance, you know this this team
Speaker 1: could be in trouble playing against the teams I mentioned,
Speaker 1: the Tennessee's, the Green Bay's, the Rams, Cincinnati, Tampa. There
Speaker 1: could be a lot of those games where all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, it's you know, they're they're they're
Speaker 1: looking at the wrong end of that. If I'm a
Speaker 1: cowboy fan that wants to put on the rosy glasses
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you you took the words right out
Speaker 1: of my mouth, what can Tyler Smith help you with? Hopefully? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right away? Yeah? Running the ball, yep, Like that's what
Speaker 1: he was great at in college. He's six five, three
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pounds him. Zach Martin probably Tyler beotis like,
Speaker 1: if he can upgrade your run game and get it
Speaker 1: back to a level where a better balance, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you run, if it's a given that you're going
Speaker 1: to run for one hundred and thirty two one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty yards a game, this team can be very,
Speaker 1: very successful. That's when they were for they were for
Speaker 1: eight weeks. That's when they were at their best. Like,
Speaker 1: I look, nobody loves winging the ball around the yard
Speaker 1: more than me, But this team is at its best
Speaker 1: when they can impose their will in the ground on
Speaker 1: the ground, and that's I'm sure that's a big part
Speaker 1: of why they like this guy. If you look at
Speaker 1: this team and I'm gonna ask this question, and I
Speaker 1: know that you'll you'll argue with me on this, but
Speaker 1: I just was curious. Is the quarterback just who he is?
Speaker 1: Or is there room for the quarterback to continue? When
Speaker 1: you say who he is? Well, well, who he is? Like,
Speaker 1: is he played at an MVP level before? For halfway
Speaker 1: for halfway through his season? I would argue, like, if
Speaker 1: you can do okay, okay, is he okaygically forget how
Speaker 1: to do that? Okay? But they did for eight weeks. No,
Speaker 1: I think I think you talked about there was an
Speaker 1: injury there, there was an injury to the running back,
Speaker 1: the offensive line story, everything was falling apart at once,
Speaker 1: and then nobody could the play caller was in the
Speaker 1: best could be the head coach in Steven see to me. Okay,
Speaker 1: if that's the case. Again, I asked that question because
Speaker 1: if you do believe that, you know, this team should
Speaker 1: be fine if you because I think it's going to
Speaker 1: go through him, I really do. I think how he
Speaker 1: plays is going to because like say, is he going
Speaker 1: to be able in year seven lift the players around.
Speaker 1: I'm still honestly waiting for Ceedee Lamb to be what
Speaker 1: I thought. Now maybe I was dead wrong about Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb as a player, but I'm kind of waiting for that.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of waiting for what we're seeing at Minnesota,
Speaker 1: what we're seeing at Cincinnati, what we're seeing at some
Speaker 1: of these other places. But if Ceedee Lamb is just
Speaker 1: maybe Ceedee Lamb is who he is, you know, I
Speaker 1: think I think the maybe Dak is always going to
Speaker 1: be what he's going to be. Conversation has been had
Speaker 1: every single year that he's been in the league. But
Speaker 1: every single year it's been wrong because every single year
Speaker 1: he elevates. Now, last year, in the second half of
Speaker 1: the season, he went down. But in twenty eighteen, especially
Speaker 1: the second half of twenty eighteen, he played it away
Speaker 1: that everybody said in twenty seventeen he wasn't capable of.
Speaker 1: Then they said, well, that's kind of it, and that's
Speaker 1: who he is. And then twenty nineteen he stepped in
Speaker 1: and he played it. And so consistently we asked this
Speaker 1: question every year, and every year it's been no, he's
Speaker 1: better than that. And so I feel like again the
Speaker 1: answer will be no, he's better than that. Kenny elevate
Speaker 1: others games. That's what I'm gonna ask you. The only
Speaker 1: the only example we have is he definitively a guy
Speaker 1: who people want to compare him to. Now as is
Speaker 1: he better than this guy is Derek Carr. He made
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper better than Derek Carr did, Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: I mean we saw it there. Now made Dalton Scholtz better,
Speaker 1: Maybe made Dalton Scholtz a ton of money. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: you at the beginning of this draft process, you said
Speaker 1: that you didn't want to deal with anything in terms
Speaker 1: of the draft plan unless it helped the quarterback. Right.
Speaker 1: Do you think that they helped their quarterback in this
Speaker 1: regard well by adding by not having a revolving door
Speaker 1: left guard potentially, Yes, yeah, I do helps, and Tilbert
Speaker 1: helps too, I agree with that. And the thing about
Speaker 1: it is, though me personally, I'm kind of wondering about
Speaker 1: Like I said, I mentioned Ceedee Lamb and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: they need, they need some of those. They need Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb to step up. If it's Ceedee Lamb or the
Speaker 1: quarterback or the OC or the head somebody needs to
Speaker 1: get his game going to the point where we're comparing
Speaker 1: him to some of the top receivers in this league.
Speaker 1: I've been workshop in this theory for a while now,
Speaker 1: and nothing they did this weekend did anything to change
Speaker 1: in my mind. I think privately, between the quarterback, the
Speaker 1: overall roster, and the weakness of their division, I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys think they're good enough to compete and be
Speaker 1: in the playoffs and be in that conversation without doing
Speaker 1: anything crazy this year. And that's what like the vibe
Speaker 1: I get from this draft is like, Yeah, we feel
Speaker 1: good about it. This guy can start, this guy can
Speaker 1: do that. But they'll really start hitting their stride in
Speaker 1: the future. I mean, they consider Tyler Smith a tackle
Speaker 1: in the future, and we know he's not going to
Speaker 1: do that right now unless some Tyran gets hurt. And
Speaker 1: so already you're thinking like, Okay, this is about the
Speaker 1: big picture, and I just think they're in their mind.
Speaker 1: I think they will be much better in twenty three
Speaker 1: and twenty four than they are this year. And I
Speaker 1: think this is a team that's good enough to win
Speaker 1: the East in twenty twenty two, but probably not what
Speaker 1: you would call among like the league's true contenders. And
Speaker 1: I think in order for them to, you know, if
Speaker 1: they're gonna be what they're gonna be in twenty three
Speaker 1: and twenty four, if certain people want to be here
Speaker 1: in twenty three and twenty four, along with that, they
Speaker 1: need to show it in twenty two. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: See that's the thing. They're not going to say any
Speaker 1: of this stuff public, no, but that is what I
Speaker 1: think they Well, okay, but if that's the case, then
Speaker 1: you're taking a step back because it's the news when
Speaker 1: I'm playing, and it could be like, well, hey, we
Speaker 1: don't think any of these guys you drafted the last
Speaker 1: three years can play. As I've said, I think people
Speaker 1: internally that last month of the season, when we are
Speaker 1: not as close as we thought, we were sure, and
Speaker 1: I think it was a bit of a rude awakening
Speaker 1: and they went, Okay, we got to renovate a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all that's left to do now is wait and see.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were having tepid conversations about Mica at
Speaker 1: this point last year, and to Bobby's point, it took
Speaker 1: about four OTA practices before I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: no again, that's dan Quinn. Yeah, that's dan Quinn and
Speaker 1: the staff kind of figuring out. And it took a
Speaker 1: really a big injury to one of your better players
Speaker 1: for them to say we got to play this guy
Speaker 1: defensive in Yeah, I mean Mike has entered No, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1: The main point is that we'll wait and see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right about some things, we'll be wrong about some things.
Speaker 1: That's the way this goes, guys. That wraps up the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two draft season. Um, it's better. Sweet. It
Speaker 1: was a lot of work, but I really enjoy working
Speaker 1: with y'all. I'm glad we did it. Thank you for
Speaker 1: pinch hitting. Pinch hit with the best of them, like East.
Speaker 1: He came on in the ninth with guys on the
Speaker 1: corners and got a double. That's all we needed from you.
Speaker 1: He did a great job. I really appreciate it. Love
Speaker 1: working with you guys, really appreciate everybody that listened. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see. We'll be back in January or
Speaker 1: maybe February, who the hell knows, But for Bobby, Bryan, Kyle,
Speaker 1: I'm Dave. Thank you so much for listening. This has
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