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Speaker 2: It felt like I knew.

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Speaker 3: All preoper resim say man, Hey, man ay man, all

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Speaker 1: This is a story of a man who's fascinated me.

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Speaker 1: I'm tempted to say haunted me for most of my life.

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Speaker 1: His name was sweet Daddy Grace, and that's a name

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Speaker 1: you don't forget. They say he sold plots into heaven.

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Speaker 1: They say he wore suits made of one hundred dollar bills.

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Speaker 1: They say he was God himself. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of legends around Daddy Grace, but let me tell you

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Speaker 1: some facts. Daddy Grace was born Marcellino Manuel de Grasa

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Speaker 1: West Africa, which at the time was a Portuguese colony.

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Speaker 1: He arrived in New Bedford, Massachusetts, at the turn of

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Speaker 1: the twentieth century, along with the wave of Cape Verdian

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Speaker 4: As the Cape Verdian immigrants were fleeing this land of hunger,

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Speaker 4: they saw opportunity to make their way to maybe improve

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Speaker 4: their lives. Daddy Grace had seven dollars in his pocket

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Speaker 4: when he immigrated.

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Speaker 1: After he arrived, he began calling himself Charles Manuel Grace,

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Speaker 1: not unusual for an immigrant in America, americanizing your name

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Speaker 1: decades after arriving in the United States, he was going

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Speaker 1: by more names, Bishop Grace, Daddy Grace, or Sweet Daddy Grace.

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Speaker 1: And that last name was given to him by his followers. Yes, followers,

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Speaker 1: the man had thousands of them, some say as many

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Speaker 1: as three million. Because in nineteen nineteen, Bishop Grace founded

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Speaker 1: a church, the United House of Prayer for All People.

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Speaker 1: He built the first one in West Wareham, Massachusetts, for

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Speaker 1: and defiantly preaching to captivated and non segregated audiences. He

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Speaker 1: was colorful, opulent, and unapologetic, and his personal style influenced

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Speaker 1: black cultural and spiritual leaders, including James Brown. He was

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Speaker 5: He bought huge complex in Manhattan that didn't rent the Negroes.

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Speaker 5: He had a coffee farm in Brazil and egg farm

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Speaker 1: He was also controversial. He was often in the press

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Speaker 1: for one scandal or another, illegitimate children tax fraud, and

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Speaker 1: he narrowly avoided serving a year in prison for allegedly

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Speaker 1: By the time he passed in nineteen sixty, his net

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Speaker 1: His body traveled by train from California to Massachusetts, and

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Speaker 1: and gawgers. But today, outside of his church, which is

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Speaker 1: or at least talk about him. Why is that? Why

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Speaker 1: why do so few people today remember that very memorable name.

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Speaker 6: this was done intentionally. That's a way of silencing and

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Speaker 6: making sure that someone's legacy is not carried on.

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Speaker 1: And there's one more piece of the puzzle, a big

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Speaker 1: one for me. My grandmother is a Grace, a Cape

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Speaker 1: Verdean Grace. Her family is also from the same island

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Speaker 1: of Brava. I grew up overhearing my cousins say that

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Speaker 1: nor in his home of New Bedford, Massachusetts, except for

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Speaker 2: Why was he hiding something?

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Speaker 1: What was behind my relative's rejection of him? This is

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Speaker 1: a story about Sweet Daddy Grace, but for me it's personal.

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Speaker 1: I'm Mercy Dupena and from iHeart podcasts and Force a

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Speaker 1: media group. This is Sweet Daddy Grace.

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Speaker 3: To be happy.

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Speaker 1: Before we get too far ahead of ourselves, let's go

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Speaker 1: Verdian community of New Bedford, Massachusetts, where I grew up.

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Speaker 1: New Bedford is a place where Cape Verdians have made

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Speaker 1: You can eat foods like couscous, kachuopa and jag and

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Speaker 1: Growing updating, you have to ask any potential made of

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Speaker 1: It's actually the Cape Verdian Independence Day Parade, which is

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Speaker 1: celebrated on July fifth. Throughout my upbringing, we learned about

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Speaker 1: revolutionaries who called New Bedford their home, people like Frederick

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Speaker 7: Good morning Marcy as well as good morning, cous This.

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Speaker 1: Is my older cousin, Jonathan. He grew up a few

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Speaker 1: Cape Verdian community and its Black Power movement. Around the

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Speaker 2: What was your first, like really good memory of that

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Speaker 2: when we first moved there, and like hearing the music

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Speaker 1: Man? It was clearly church music. It was definitely gospel.

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Speaker 7: They really turned it up over there, they really did.

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Speaker 1: eat soul food. They had soul food there on Saturdays,

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Speaker 1: fried chicken and fish and collard.

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Speaker 1: I always thought of it as being an African American

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Speaker 2: That I knew of.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a until I was about thirteen when I

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Speaker 1: put it all together. Of Course, I'd eaten there a

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Speaker 1: It was considered off limits, and I really didn't know

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Speaker 1: even though Daddy Grace had died decades ago. As I

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Speaker 1: eavesdropped on their conversation, they traded wild stories that they'd

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Speaker 1: heard about Bishop Grace, like how.

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Speaker 2: He healed people instantly with his hands, and that he

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Speaker 2: had a style of.

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Speaker 1: A pimp, complete with a cane, long hair, flashy suits,

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Speaker 1: and even a fleet of luxury vehicles. They also mentioned

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Speaker 2: That was a complete shock. Daddy Grace is Kate Perdian.

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Speaker 2: How did I not know this?

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Speaker 1: And then I started thinking about his name and how

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Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute. We're a small community.

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Speaker 2: We have to be related.

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Speaker 1: And that's when the spirit of Sweet Daddy Grace really

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Speaker 1: began to reveal himself to me. You've met my cousin

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Speaker 8: Jonathan Peppina, arm Marcy's dad. My parents are Jonathan Depina

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Speaker 8: in the heavens but very much with us all the time.

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Speaker 1: My grandparents belonged to the religiously conservative Evangelical Church of

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Speaker 1: the Nazarene. My grandmother, I called her Nana, was born

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Speaker 1: Lydia Anna Grace. She was always cooking on the phone,

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Speaker 8: My dad kind of looked at him like the devil

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Speaker 8: and I can't remember him. Daddy Grace would be on

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just the money suits. It was his fingernails

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Speaker 1: House of Prayer that promised to heal you and also

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Speaker 1: make your hair grow long and pretty, just like Daddy Grace.

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Speaker 8: You know how my thought was when he was critical

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Speaker 8: about him that I know. My dad wasn't that type

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Speaker 8: But within our family, he made it very clear that

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Speaker 1: My dad's older sister, my aunt Judy, also remembers her

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Speaker 1: father talking about Daddy Grace, especially when he would arrive

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Speaker 2: Come to New Bedford, it was a big tutu. Oh my,

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Speaker 2: you know, Daddy Grace is in town. He's coming to town.

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Speaker 9: And I remember my father saying, oh yeah, they're laying

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Speaker 9: out the red carpet for Daddy Grace. And they said

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Speaker 9: that he had little girls dressed in white that would

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Speaker 9: be fanning him where as he sat on the porch.

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Speaker 2: the man was out there. He's a cult.

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Speaker 1: This is something I've heard before. I once asked my

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Speaker 1: and he said, absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: We have nothing to do with that man.

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Speaker 1: There were rumors and even some allegations that might suggest

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Speaker 1: that Daddy Grace had less than pure intentions with some

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Speaker 1: The thing was, while Daddy Grace's methods for getting people

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Speaker 7: One of the stories that I remember them talking about,

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Speaker 1: Bishop Grace was a contentious figure. He was called a charlatan,

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Speaker 2: How did he do it?

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Speaker 1: What was his secret? I asked my dad how he

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Speaker 8: Donald Trump, who wots doll trum? He has that power.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting what people correlate with Daddy Grace. For my

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Speaker 1: it was his audacity. And for doctor Marilyn Halter, who

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Speaker 4: What struck me about his life story was the extent

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Speaker 4: His persona is very different than his actual history.

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Speaker 1: There's virtually nothing about him at all prior to his

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Speaker 4: I think he cultivated that mystery. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: I think some of this mysteriousness is inherent to be

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Speaker 1: But I think Daddy Grace is keep Verdian identity allowed

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Speaker 7: In doing this podcast, is this like kind of really

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Speaker 2: Is there like something that you're hoping to find or

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Speaker 1: I think the main reason why I'm doing this is

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Speaker 1: You know, went to go see the grave and I

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Speaker 1: In African cultures, the oral tradition is the primary way

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Speaker 1: In my twenties, there was this mansion that I drove

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Speaker 1: Where my family is from. That's next time. Sweet Daddy

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Speaker 1: Grace is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Force a

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Speaker 1: Media Group. This show is hosted by Me Marcy de Pina.

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Speaker 1: It's written and produced by Marissa Brown and Me. Our

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Speaker 1: Viviana Salgado of Studio Creative Group. Fact checking by Austin Thompson.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Marcy Depina and Jason English. Special

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Speaker 1: thanks to Will Pearson, Nikki Ettore, Ali Perry, Tamika Campbell,

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Speaker 1: and Lulu Phillip of iHeartMedia and all of my family

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Speaker 1: members who talked to me for this show, my ancestors,

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Speaker 1: the United House of Prayer for All People, and the

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Speaker 1: countless number of people who shared their memories of Sweet

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Speaker 1: And doctor Danielle brun Sigler, whose academic work on Sweet

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Speaker 1: to thank Bishop Grace himself for choosing me to tell

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Speaker 1: his story. For more information on Bishop Charles M. Grace,

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Speaker 1: check out the website Sweet Daddy Grace and follow me

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Speaker 1: at Marcy Dpina on all social platforms