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Speaker 1: It is a Wednesday. NFL opens tomorrow Dallas. We'll get

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Speaker 1: clobbered by the Philadelphia Eagles. And then Friday. I think

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Speaker 1: I like the Chargers and a mild up set over

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid. I know, going against Mahomes who has now

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Speaker 1: a brand new offensive line, lost their best interior lineman. Remember,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City has been blown out twice in Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't always end well for the Chiefs. It generally

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Speaker 1: starts very well. But it is a five straight days

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Speaker 1: of football starting Thursday.

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Speaker 2: So it is.

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Speaker 1: It is out Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday we have

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Speaker 1: great football.

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Speaker 2: Monday.

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Speaker 1: Bears hosting the Vikings is an unbelievable game. Has there

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Speaker 1: ever been a game that you cared more about? Where

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Speaker 1: a place that you've never lived and you don't really

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Speaker 1: know much about the quarterbacks, how good they are. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to watch that game, I'm telling you. In Chicago,

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Speaker 1: we looked at that hopometer rating by the Athletic where

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Speaker 1: fans are pulled. Chicago's like middle upper of the pack.

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Speaker 1: People in Chicago they are fired up. They when you

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Speaker 1: have tough winners, you're grateful and appreciative of the good times.

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Speaker 2: Huh Arctic winters.

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Speaker 1: So I think Chicago feels pretty good about it. But

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Speaker 1: in the Packers, by the way, interesting it was pre

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Speaker 1: have massive optimism. Denver finished number one.

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Speaker 3: Hey.

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Speaker 4: By the way, in that Vikings game, can I bet

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Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy points.

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Speaker 2: On the opening drive.

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Speaker 4: You know, Kevin O'Connell is coming out with some great

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Speaker 1: So something was released today. We've always said Vegas is

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Speaker 1: truth serum. Vegas cares about one thing, getting it right.

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Speaker 1: So they listed the quarterbacks who are worth the most

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Speaker 1: points in the NFL. Josh Allen's number one, Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: number two. And I think this goes down to something

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Speaker 1: I touched on yesterday Nobody disputes that Mahomes is unbelievable,

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Speaker 1: schemed up and designed by Andy Reid. When you watch

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen in the playoffs, and they did that quarterback

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Speaker 1: sneak that looked like they drew it up at halftime,

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Speaker 1: couldn't get first downs. If Josh Allen isn't Superman, if

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Speaker 1: he's not wearing a cape, Buffalo does not win those

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Speaker 1: big games. And since twenty eighteen, number one and two

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Speaker 1: one Josh Allen and number two Mahomes. I would put

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Speaker 1: Allen to me. In terms of points the most valuable

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Speaker 1: singular player in the NFL, Jalen Hurts finished four higher

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Speaker 1: than I would have protected. But Jalen Hurts because of

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Speaker 1: the tush push, gets first downs, moves the chains, keeps

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Speaker 1: It's I mean, but again, Burrow has Jamar Chase Zach

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Speaker 1: Taylor an offensive coach. Mahomes has an offensive coach. Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurts has the best offensive line. You start looking at

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Speaker 1: number one receiver? Defensive coach? Most of these got Justin

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Speaker 1: Herbert's number six. Well it helps, he's got, you know, Harball,

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott say what you want is always had offensive coaches.

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff's got a great line. Jaden Daniels says Terry McLaurin,

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Speaker 1: You know, you just end up winning the field position

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Speaker 1: battle a lot in Philadelphia. So that's where we stand

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Speaker 1: so this weekend. One of my complaints about college football

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Speaker 2: Enough big games.

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Speaker 1: So when people freaked out about the college football playoff,

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Speaker 2: You can lose.

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Speaker 1: Texas lost, They're still, in my mind opinion, an overwhelming

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Speaker 1: favorite to make the playoff. Clemson lost at home close

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Speaker 1: to talk about a weekend one including Bill Belichick's dud,

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Speaker 1: Joel Klatt, the voice of college football, is joining us

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Speaker 5: What's up, dude.

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Speaker 2: It is great to see you. You know how you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well.

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Speaker 1: Jay Mack and I talked about this earlier that there's

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Speaker 1: this sense that, hey, let's the hype for arch Manning

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Speaker 1: was great, and I would say the hype for Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams at SC was insane. Yea quinn Ewers five star

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Speaker 1: high school. The hype at the big programs for star

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks is always huge. Yeah, there are no Ohio State

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that don't have to win openers, especially at home.

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Speaker 1: So I think the criticism it wasn't that he lost.

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Speaker 1: It's what it looked like. Yeah, I think that's fair.

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Speaker 1: And listen, he did not play well.

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Speaker 5: I was surprised at the inaccuracy. I thought that he

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Speaker 5: he had never thrown a college pass outside of Austin,

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Speaker 5: much less against Ohio State and that environment and a

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Speaker 5: defense that I got to tell you call him like

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Speaker 5: their ability to change looks confuse the offensive. It was fantastic.

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Speaker 5: Matt Patricia deserves a ton of credit for what happened

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Speaker 5: in that game. And I would say this, there was

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Speaker 5: You know, like Jermaine Matthews at corner was sensational. Rvel

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Speaker 5: Reese the linebacker looks like he's going to be a

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Speaker 2: Ohio State probably has the best corners in the country.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Igbinosen played really well. And then Jermaine

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Speaker 5: Matthews on the other side looks like here And I

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Speaker 5: was actually so on Thursday night, I was with Lathan Ransom,

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Speaker 5: Really good player, has done a nice job in camp

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Speaker 5: who do you think is ready to be in Ohio Sate?

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Speaker 5: A silver bullet, you know, as they say, part of

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Speaker 5: at practice and he said, I think Jermaine Matthews might

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Speaker 5: Ohio State, and he certainly played that way speaking of

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Speaker 5: Jermaine Matthews. But back to Arch really quickly, I think

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Speaker 5: And because of that, I'm really not worried about Arch

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Speaker 5: in Texas. I really, I really am not.

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Speaker 2: So I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 1: So NFL guys, So Belichick's kid coached at Washington defensive

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Speaker 1: side last year, the Huskies in the Big Ten were

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Speaker 1: number two against the pass and like number sixteen or

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Speaker 1: is NFL defensive coordinators you have to be good against.

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Speaker 5: The pass, have to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, at college stop the run. You may only face

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Speaker 1: one great quarterback a year. So Matt Patricia is dialing

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Speaker 1: up stuff that is trying to flummix in his career,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. So my take is Arch

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Speaker 1: saw defensive coverages and schemes that will far surpass perhaps

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Speaker 1: anything he'll see the rest of the year. That is

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Speaker 1: Quah Knock on the SEC. But Matt Patricia from Belichick

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Speaker 1: is designing NFL coordinators you got to stop the pass, Yes, rightly, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I agree with that, And I mean that played out

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Speaker 5: in the numbers. By the way, Texas ran it okay

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Speaker 5: and should have run it more with him. Maybe he

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Speaker 5: should have run it more with Arch and used his athleticism.

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Speaker 5: Sark actually even mentioned exactly what you're talking about in

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Speaker 5: a different way after the game when he was asked

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Speaker 5: about the struggles offensively and more specifically Arch's struggles, and

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Speaker 5: he and he said, he said, listen, Ohio State's ability

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Speaker 5: to disguise coverage wasn't just good, it was elite.

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Speaker 2: In the first Hash looked confused of course.

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Speaker 5: I mean his last start was against Mississippi State at

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I thought Ryan Day smartly and appropriately got

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Speaker 1: that headset and said, guys, we've got bad field position.

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Speaker 1: Let's just play the field position game. We're going to

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Speaker 1: win this game, I thought, Julian saying, and Jmack pushed back. Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: his numbers weren't great. He had a couple of drops,

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Speaker 1: he had bad field position.

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Speaker 5: Don't tell me. Jmack went stat sheet on you.

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Speaker 5: All I know is this my analytics guy over here.

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Speaker 5: Mike always told me, what are we doing?

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Speaker 2: I think you. I thought he was really comfortable.

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Speaker 5: Julian was incredibly comfortable and very solid. And they even

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Speaker 5: postgame press conferences that they intentionally played it safe and

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Speaker 5: could have opened it up. This is the scary part

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Speaker 5: about Ohio State. If you're the rest of the Big

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Speaker 5: Not only did the defense look as good or better

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Speaker 5: to do anything to go beat Texas. That was the

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Speaker 5: most conservative offensive game plan that you will see the

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Speaker 5: rest of the year for Ohio State, and they won

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Speaker 1: And by the way, they're going to do this this

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Speaker 1: they're very lucky. This is a year you can get

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Speaker 5: I think so too.

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Speaker 1: I got great corners of the Ohio State linebackers, and

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Speaker 1: I got the best defensive coordinator probably in the sport.

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Speaker 5: I think both teams just saw the best defense they'll

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Speaker 5: And so even the struggles in the run game, you know,

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Speaker 5: How about the drops. Claire had a drop, so Smith

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Penn State good Mario. Notre Dame down Mario.

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Speaker 1: Content now Miami schedule is a little tricky. They got

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Speaker 1: A mason can occasionally jump on a speedboat.

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Speaker 2: You can do both.

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Speaker 1: A plumber can drive an occasional convertible and maybe masonry

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Speaker 5: All right, let's go.

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 1: And this is a this is a it's a cautionary

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Speaker 2: If you want to grow, don't seek comfort.

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Speaker 1: I got three Belichicks, I got two Lombardes, I got

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Speaker 1: It's familiar faces and familiar voices, and it's friends and

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Speaker 1: I find this Carolina thing about Bill is this staff

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Speaker 5: I think that that's I think that's too much. You

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Speaker 5: he had too many new players, Okay, you know, I

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Speaker 5: The things that they struggled with in a lot of

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't to get humiliated.

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Speaker 5: But TCU is a really good team there. Josh Hoover

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Speaker 5: I saw road quarterbacks disintegrate. He ate them alive. I

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Speaker 1: I don't think I'm unfair when I bring up you know,

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Speaker 2: This is why I'm not being fair.

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Speaker 1: I've seen general managers in the NFL not allow their coaches.

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Speaker 5: I just am I'm not gonna throw dirt on this

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to do it. I you remember that,

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Speaker 1: or or I mean it is in Chicago they love

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Speaker 1: Big ten football. They talk Cubs, they talk Bears. In

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Speaker 1: the South, there is fans I'm talking about. There is

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Speaker 1: one topic in the South for twelve months, it's SEC football.

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Speaker 5: No, I agree with that, and it is.

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Speaker 1: They judge recruiting. That is that is twelve days of

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Speaker 1: sports talk the columnists. Is Kleen de Boar potentially the

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Speaker 1: wrong personality fit? In fact, maybe when there was a

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Speaker 1: story out this two weeks ago that when people went

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Speaker 1: to that Washington team with Pennix and they went and

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Speaker 1: they and they kind of scouted the staff, everybody said, boy,

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Speaker 1: you got a made here. There's no pressure and Washington

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Speaker 1: loves their football. Yeah, I've wought Jim mcelwaine, a friend

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Speaker 1: of mine, goes down to Florida, Urban Meyer, physically worn

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Speaker 1: out at Florida, goes get me up North. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if Kalen de Boar is built for Bama in

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Speaker 1: the SEC. And I think Bama, even more than Georgia,

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Speaker 1: is the pressure cooker.

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Speaker 5: I think Klin is an excellent coaches record for itself.

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Speaker 5: I agree to your point about fit. I think that

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Speaker 5: there there could be something to that because it is

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Speaker 5: a different animal and in particular there and more specifically

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Speaker 5: with with who he's replacing. Right, I mean, this is

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Speaker 5: this is a no win for Kaitlin de Boor. That

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Speaker 5: being said, here's the alarming part about what happened on

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Speaker 5: Saturday is that Alabama rolled out there. It's not like

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Speaker 5: they turned it over five or six times and ended

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Speaker 5: up getting beat.

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Speaker 2: In the ball.

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Speaker 5: They were the They were the team that got beat physically,

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Speaker 5: they got beat schematically. They were the team that got

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Speaker 5: beat by speed. They were the slower team. And here's

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Speaker 5: the one that that really shocked me. Where was the effort.

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Speaker 2: There's some there's some pieces of video out there that

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Speaker 2: are alarming.

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Speaker 5: For sixteen years, that team had a top three or

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Speaker 5: four roster in the sport, and they played with a

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Speaker 5: sense of urgency that was unlike any other team. They

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Speaker 5: they played like their life depended on it, like they

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Speaker 5: were like their next breath of air depended on their effort.

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Speaker 5: Part of that was the competition built into the roster

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Speaker 5: because they knew if they didn't do that, the kid

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Speaker 5: behind him was just as good and would take their spot.

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Speaker 5: And the other part of that was the level of

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Speaker 5: expectation surrounding practice and preparation for the week. Here's where

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Speaker 5: I think that Nick Saban and Kaylin de Board differ

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Speaker 5: the most is the urgency during the week. I think

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Speaker 5: Kaylin approaches it a little bit more West Coast NFL style. Hey,

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Speaker 5: take care of your business. We trust our plan, we

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Speaker 5: trust our quality players. Let's go out there and put

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Speaker 5: it on display. And when he's got experienced guys in

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Speaker 5: a quality offensive line like he had with Washington and Pinnix,

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Speaker 5: with Roma Dunze on the outside and those quality players, man,

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Speaker 5: it's beautiful and it works really, really well. Now when

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Speaker 5: he doesn't have that, and the offensive line, which is

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Speaker 5: supposed to be good, starts getting decimated and a young

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Speaker 5: quarterback that doesn't have the confidence is running for his life.

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Speaker 5: Plus the game plan is wrong. Did you know that

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Speaker 5: Ryan Williams spent ninety percent of his snaps in the

496
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Speaker 5: slot last year was twenty percent of his snaps. He

497
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Speaker 5: is an outside receiver and a beautiful outside receiver when

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Speaker 5: he's in space, operating in one.

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Speaker 2: Talent receiver in the country after Jeremiah Smith.

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Speaker 5: I totally agree with that. And they were putting him

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Speaker 5: in the slot. And he's not a slot guy, all right.

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Speaker 5: He's not Tyreek in the slot or Jackson Smith and

503
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Speaker 5: Jigba in the slot. Where he's his game is about

504
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Speaker 5: shiftiness and short area quickness. He's also not a guy

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Speaker 5: like Jeremiah Smith. Who's six four two and twenty pounds,

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Speaker 5: who can go across the middle, and he's not going

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Speaker 5: to get punished by safeties. No, no, No, He's a guy

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Speaker 5: that doesn't have that short area quickness. He's a fluid,

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Speaker 5: straight line, beautiful route runner, wide receiver, and he was

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Speaker 5: getting punished by those safeties to the point that he

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Speaker 5: can't finish the game. So the game plan was wrong.

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Speaker 5: The offensive line was terrible, the young quarterback was overwhelmed.

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Speaker 5: Their effort was bad, they were out physicaled, their defense

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Speaker 5: was bad. They couldn't stop the run. Where does Alabama go?

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Speaker 5: If I'm not panicked about Texas, I am panicked to

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Speaker 5: ten for Alabama because now, all of a sudden, that

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Speaker 5: Alabama team is just a shell of its former self.

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Speaker 5: By the way, I'm I'm gonna take Oklahoma over Michigan

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Speaker 5: this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Replacing Jim Harbaugh is difficult, and I certainly and we

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Speaker 1: have to be honest about this.

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Speaker 2: I know we have.

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Speaker 5: You're America's honesty broke.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 2: I like this. I think most people view that as true.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the history of Michigan and Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame or Michigan and Ohio State. And this gets people

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Speaker 1: all rankled up because they love me and ann Arbor,

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Speaker 1: I am one of them. Didn't go to the school

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Speaker 1: fly over it regularly, never went there. They loved me

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Speaker 1: and I have said Ohio State's the better football program.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, Michigan's got the better medical center, it's

534
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Speaker 1: got the better law school. Michigan the better, right, right,

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Speaker 1: But Ohio State is the only SEC team north.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The fans, the talk, the relentlessness, the comet, Ohio is.

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Speaker 5: More than that. Ohio State has never had a sustained dip,

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Speaker 5: you know, like they have been great for twenty five

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Speaker 5: or thirty.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to throw this out and this may

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Speaker 1: hurt one of the new guys that they hired on

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Speaker 1: your show in the afternoon. I think Ohio State's can

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Speaker 1: own this series for the next ten years. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: hard to say when they're owing four and they're life

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Speaker 1: not hard for this honesty broke, isn't it. Ohio State

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Speaker 1: is going to run that series for a decade.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I mean Michigan would beg to differ at this point.

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Speaker 5: Here's the thing that with this week's game for Michigan

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Speaker 5: is let's go back to where we started this entire conversation.

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Speaker 5: What's the one thing that we overlooked with arch Manning.

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Speaker 5: Playing on the road in a difficult environment for the

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Speaker 5: first time is incredibly hard. You don't know what you

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Speaker 5: don't know as a young quarterback. I can tell you

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Speaker 5: from firsthand. I remember vividly my first start on the road.

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Speaker 5: It was at Kansas State in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 5: and that was a Kansas State team coached by Bill

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Speaker 5: Snyder that would go on to win the Big Twelve.

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Speaker 2: And how'd you do?

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Speaker 5: We lost?

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Speaker 2: And how do you do?

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Speaker 5: I did not play well and I did a lot

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Speaker 5: of things that were uncharacteristic. I set three formations wrong.

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Speaker 5: I went the wrong way on a run play, just

565
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Speaker 5: because you're you're dealing with emotions and you're dealing with

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Speaker 5: things and adrenaline that you've never dealt with before on

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Speaker 5: the football field. And that's something that Bryce Underwood is

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Speaker 5: going to have to deal with this week when he

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Speaker 5: goes to Oklahoma, and that environment is going to be outstanding. Plus,

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Speaker 5: he's not going to see some vanilla New Mexico defense.

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Speaker 5: He's going to see Brent Finnable's defense on the other side,

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Speaker 5: which is aggressive, they'll change their looks. They get the

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Speaker 5: call in late. It's not going to be clean pictures.

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Speaker 5: So if Michigan can't just run the football at Oklahoma,

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Speaker 5: then it could be difficult. Because I do know one

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Speaker 5: thing about Michigan's offensive line. They're elite run blockers, average

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Speaker 5: pass blockers. If they fall behind at all and venables

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Speaker 5: in that crowd and that pressure starts getting ratchet up,

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Speaker 5: then Bryce Underwood might be under a lot of dress

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Speaker 5: come Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm Underwood's great. I do I know

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Speaker 1: now that the kid at USC, the freshman, he looks

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Speaker 1: good too. Yeah, he's good. I'm not down to play.

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Speaker 1: It was a school Missouri. It doesn't have a rich history,

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Speaker 1: but is on their way.

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Speaker 2: It was it. It was you know, you didn't ask

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Speaker 2: me about my first start.

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Speaker 5: Oh I'm sorry, Colin, what was your first start?

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Speaker 1: I didn't play college, Okay, I was already becoming a

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Speaker 1: beacon of honesty as a broadcaster at Eastern Washing That's right. Yeah,

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00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: there were opportunities, but I chose broadcasting well and you

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Speaker 1: eventually you chose correctly. We ended up at the same place.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, we did well, and you're you're on the throne.

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Speaker 2: New set.

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Speaker 5: This is a beautiful set.

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a lot, it's a it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: lot of management.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot of a lot of pressure, a lot

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Speaker 2: of man And I'm like arch Manning, I'm hitting the layup.

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Speaker 1: Okay, by the way, I have some information I can't

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Speaker 1: give you and some that I can you know, J Max.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes when you're in this position of authority in America,

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Speaker 1: you get information. You can't tell the audience everything, but

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Speaker 1: I will tell you. We just discovered the rating for

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Speaker 1: the Texas Ohio State college football game. I cannot give

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Speaker 1: you the rating it.

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Speaker 2: I cannot believe the number.

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Speaker 1: It is the most washed Week one game in the

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Speaker 1: history of college football. And this is why I was

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Speaker 1: such a proponent of the playoff, as that you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get teams that say, I mean, by the way, both

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Speaker 1: these teams will probably be in the playoff, Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: in Miami, They'll both be in.

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Speaker 2: The playoff, LSU Clemson. So it was an unbelieved week.

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Speaker 1: Wait until you see the number they're rating this puppy

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Speaker 1: gout it is. I mean, I was blown away by it.

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Speaker 1: And so it's the most watched week and you had

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Speaker 1: to watch until the end because that Texas got that touchdown,

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Speaker 1: there was just enough time to make it interesting. I

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Speaker 1: do wonder what would have happened if Texas got the

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Speaker 1: touchdown on a tush push. Does that change? Does Ryan

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Speaker 1: Day get a little more aggressive in play calling once

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Speaker 1: they stopped him there? I kind of felt like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State kind of felt like, Okay, we dodged the

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Speaker 1: bullet there, We're good. But the wow, it is arguably well,

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Speaker 1: it's the best opening weekend in the history of college football.

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame Miami was incredible, LSU, Clemson great. I mean

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Speaker 1: the dud TCU even that one got me the mid

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Speaker 1: third quarter. Belichick's debut, but wow, going to tell you

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Speaker 1: it got like an NFL number.

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Speaker 4: What do you think this does for Arch Manning? Are

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Speaker 4: we going to see him on TV every week now?

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Speaker 4: Because this is a lot of this had to do

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Speaker 4: with Arch Manning.

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Speaker 1: No, I think Ohio State and Texas are two of

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Speaker 1: the top four brands in the sport.

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Speaker 4: But I think the appetite to see this kid, what

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Speaker 4: has he got?

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Speaker 2: He's a Manning.

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Speaker 4: You know, we've seen him before, but this is his

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Speaker 4: show now. I think he's much watched must watch TV,

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Speaker 4: even with these three duds that he's.

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Speaker 1: Got to Well, you know what, that's part of the

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Speaker 1: process of being a star quarterback. When people when people

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Speaker 1: came out and said, I can't believe Caleb Williams is

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Speaker 1: getting crushed because he painted his fingernails.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to be the number one pick.

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Speaker 1: And I remember when Baker Mayfield and Peter King said

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Speaker 1: I was too tough on Baker Mayfield. He's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft. He's a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be tough on him. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: he always took it well. I mean we went back

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Speaker 1: and forth, but that's part of the process of being

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Speaker 1: if he's great, he is eligible to come out. He's

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Speaker 1: been in the program. I mean because he entered early

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Speaker 1: to the program. He was an early in roll league,

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Speaker 1: so he's already been there like three years. And he's

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Speaker 1: a Manning so I'm not worried about and he's a

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Speaker 1: smart kid.

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Speaker 2: He can handle.

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Speaker 1: I didn't love multiple ad campaigns. I did not love

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Speaker 1: that at all.

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Speaker 2: But he's kind of like six million in Nio money.

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Speaker 2: I just didn't love that. I always thought Brady did

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Speaker 2: it right.

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Speaker 1: I want to see production and trophies before I get

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Speaker 1: a bunch of ads. I think you're just but it's money,

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Speaker 1: and I get it. Brady was a pro. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Arch is a college kid making yeah, but he's the Manning.

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Speaker 2: Kids are different.

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Speaker 4: Do you do you think you're turning down six million

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Speaker 4: dollars if you're twenty one years old.

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Speaker 1: No, I just think I just think the Mannings are different.

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Speaker 1: They live in a different space. Everything they touch on

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Speaker 1: money maybe well, I mean if you count Omaha Productions

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Speaker 1: and Eli's got a business Adelion Cooper's at cooper as

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Speaker 1: a business which is a fascinating business about hotels in

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Speaker 1: the South and on college campuses. That family all in

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Speaker 1: it's probably worth a billion dollars.

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Speaker 4: You know, when you're a young kid, you want to

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Speaker 4: be your own man. Right, you leave home, you go

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Speaker 4: to college. I'm my own guy. I don't need my parents' money.

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Speaker 1: Come on, well you're also a man, yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: would say you're a manning and stuff.

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Speaker 2: You and I are like that.

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Speaker 1: I think there are certain families in this country, like

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm seriously about you know, this is not

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Speaker 1: analogous perfectly, but like the Rockefeller kids, or there are

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Speaker 1: certain East Coast families where you're part of a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a financial dynasty, or or you know, West

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Speaker 1: Coast families in entertainment.

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Speaker 4: Ronnie James, right, I heard a lot of stories he

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Speaker 4: goes to USC and he was making tons of money

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Speaker 4: playing video games. He was like a gamer, and he like,

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Speaker 4: why are you playing video games till two in the morning?

712
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Speaker 4: Because I want to make my own money. That's the

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Speaker 4: stories people say that he was saying he wants to

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Speaker 4: make his own he doesn't want dad's money. Can't I

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Speaker 4: cannot knock cards for the money.

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Speaker 2: I can knock givenocking him.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying it doesn't bother me that he's being criticized,

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Speaker 1: because that is Texas quarterbacks are under the spot. It's

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame quarterbacks. It's Yankee shortstops. It's one year with nil.

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Speaker 1: Here's the downside to all the soft cookie dough soft

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Speaker 1: sports writers that cover college football. Once you pay the

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Speaker 1: players they're professional, the criticism ramps up.

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Speaker 2: I used to always be like.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to really harshly criticize a college quarterback

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Speaker 1: until he's eligible for the draft. You're making five large

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Speaker 1: as a sophomore at Texas, you're a pro. Carson Beck

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Speaker 1: was clean, Carson Beck is a pro athlete. It was

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Speaker 1: fair to rip in at Georgia.

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Speaker 4: It's fair to praise him now and has changed everything.

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Speaker 1: You're getting paid five million. You're making more than everybody

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Speaker 1: but the head coach on the staff. You can be criticized.

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Speaker 2: Now you want to.

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Speaker 1: Take the money, I'm for it, But this idea that

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Speaker 1: it's all the same. Now, basically, Lane Kiffin had it right.

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Speaker 1: Nil is free agency. That's what anil is. It's professional fore.

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Speaker 4: Tennessee quarterback who left for Ucla. That was free agency.

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Speaker 4: That was in the spring. He just bolted Tennessee to Ucla.

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Speaker 4: Stinks up the joint. Hey Nico, come on bro, all right,

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Speaker 4: why have an la answer Hurd?

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Speaker 6: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 6: and Noone Easter not a Empacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: Wait until you.

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Speaker 1: See that number, that rating for Ohio State, Texas, America.

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Speaker 2: So is it older? Is it a larger number than

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Speaker 2: my age? You know, I just I can rent a car.

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Speaker 2: It would be a super Bowl. I'm kidding.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying. I don't spend a ton of time

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Speaker 1: worrying about that. But I when I guessed the number,

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Speaker 1: and I was way off. I mean, just the pregame shows,

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Speaker 1: Big Noon and game day combine massive numbers, so the

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Speaker 1: audiences are just exploding everywhere. For college football, it's a buye.

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Speaker 1: There's certain sports like I like the MLS, but once

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Speaker 1: they went to Apple, there's no casual viewers. They don't

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Speaker 1: pop up on my feed. Like that's not a buy anymore.

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Speaker 1: I think college football is a BUYE. Jmack with a

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Speaker 1: news No, No.

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Speaker 4: This is the herdline news Steelers Jets Week one.

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Speaker 2: Justin Fields.

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Speaker 4: Hey, he hears the media talking about the revenge angle,

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Speaker 4: but he says, hey, man, this is just another football game.

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Speaker 7: The storyline's crazy. I mean, that's that's why the NFL

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Speaker 7: said us up for Week one just for that. But

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Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, it's cool. Could to you know, kind

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Speaker 7: of see that and you know it's gonna be fun,

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Speaker 7: you know, going to Agains see the guys on Sunday.

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Speaker 7: So I'm a big believer and everything happens for a reason.

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Speaker 7: Like I said, I was in a spot last year

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Speaker 7: where I was able to see the game from a

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Speaker 7: different perspective. I learned a lot, thank you know, Russ

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Speaker 7: and just just all the other vests there, so not

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Speaker 7: at all.

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Speaker 1: I kind of like the Jets or put Sauce Gardner,

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Speaker 1: put him on DK Metcalf, take him out of the game,

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Speaker 1: and put some pressure with that defensive front on the

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Speaker 1: old Aaron Rodgers Field is remember Fields went four and

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Speaker 1: two with the Steelers. Yeah, if you extrapolate those numbers out,

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Speaker 1: he would have been a borderline Pro Bowl quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the NFC, but.

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Speaker 2: He was in the AFC with the Jets or Steamers.

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Speaker 4: The crummy Jets news is avt Vera Tucker, the kid

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Speaker 4: from USC, excellent offensive and hurdle multiple this shirt a lot.

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Speaker 4: Sounds like he might be out for the season with

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Speaker 4: the torn Pack. He's getting his second opinion. I don't

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Speaker 4: want to speak any more of it.

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Speaker 2: Let's move on. Uh, let's go to the Lions.

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Speaker 4: Colin, Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn depart Detroit. Everybody's worried.

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Speaker 4: Jared Goff says, hey man, we're gonna be fine. Ahead

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Speaker 4: of the matchup against Micah Parsons and the Packers.

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Speaker 8: Bigas been wrong before, right, you know who knows? We'll

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Speaker 8: see I think, yeah, they're a good team, they added

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Speaker 8: a good player, and we're all zero and zero. It's

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Speaker 8: confusing because I don't even know where where do we

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Speaker 8: stand externally. I don't know what people you know, and

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Speaker 8: I don't really care, but like, are we supposed to

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Speaker 8: be good?

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Speaker 5: Are we supposed to be bad.

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Speaker 8: Are we all these different storylines and so we don't.

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Speaker 8: You can't ride that roller coaster.

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Speaker 5: And we don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, the Green Bay Packers, We're all

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Speaker 1: still asking the same question. Is Jordan Love really good?

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Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody knows the answer.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I think.

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Speaker 1: I think he's tall, moves well with a whip for

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Speaker 1: an arm, and I like the way he plays more

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Speaker 1: far than Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: He'll throw picks, he doesn't care.

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Speaker 1: He's got a little Andrew loking a little far if

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Speaker 1: he can be a little reckless, but he doesn't care.

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Speaker 1: He just stands back there with a lot of confidence

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Speaker 1: and lets it go.

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Speaker 2: I like him.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of last year, probably hurt didn't

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Speaker 1: play particularly well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the little surprise Packers are savored by Moore.

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Speaker 4: I thought they'd be at least three year at home.

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Speaker 4: One of my favorite games.

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Speaker 2: I like Green Bay. We'd be talking about that game

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Speaker 2: eight a lot. Green Bay is one of my favorite

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Speaker 2: picks of the week.

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Speaker 4: On Friday, final story Collins a college football Now, I

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Speaker 4: want to save some time for this LSU Clemson was crazy.

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Speaker 4: So Clemson did well in the first quarter and a

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Speaker 4: half and then LSU took over and Clemson was inept.

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Speaker 4: So afterward, Dabo Sweeney and Brian Kelly traded Barbes in

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Speaker 4: the postgame presser.

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Speaker 2: You need to listen to this.

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Speaker 3: Down the last play right out of the gate. It's

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Speaker 3: like getting the final exam Day one a class. They

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Speaker 3: made a sixty five, We made a fifty eight. NY

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Speaker 3: one of us were great.

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Speaker 10: I thought we dominated him in the second half. So

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Speaker 10: he's either a really good greater for you know, giving

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Speaker 10: himself a fifty eight, or he's a really hard greater

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Speaker 10: on us, or he didn't see the second half, which

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Speaker 10: that might be the case.

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Speaker 2: He might not have wanted to see the second half. Woo.

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Speaker 2: Brian Kelly talking tough.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean I thought LSU was clearly the better team.

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Speaker 2: Second half, Dominos waiting up halftime. Adjustments are big in sports.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to the locker room?

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Speaker 4: You make adjustments, and LSU dominated the second half.

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Speaker 2: Nusmeyer made every throw club. Maybe Brian Kelly's right.

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Speaker 1: People may think that's, you know, kind of jerky, but

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Speaker 1: I think he's right.

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Speaker 4: Well, there was some is Brian Kelly on the hot

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Speaker 4: seat under the buyouts expensive, but he was catching some

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Speaker 4: heat in the preseason. Are they good and they go

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Speaker 4: into Clemson that's a great and totally control the second half.

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Speaker 4: He's not wrong. LSU was the better team.

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Speaker 1: Garrettnssmeyer may have had the best weekend of every quarterback

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Speaker 1: to go on the road. The prospect I thought Garrett

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Speaker 1: Nusmeyer played. That's again I know experience, but that's a

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Speaker 1: tough environment you going as an underdog. I mean they

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Speaker 1: were I don't know what the line was was. It

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Speaker 1: was like Clemson was favored by more than a few.

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Speaker 4: Bruce Feldman coming on the show, he's all in on

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Speaker 4: Clemson saying they're great.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see it, Colin. I didn't see any greatness

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Speaker 2: with Glutson.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: Jmax with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 2: for stopping by the.

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Speaker 6: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk you into taking Harbaugh and the points,

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Speaker 1: which one ravens or forty nine ers. Baltimore's got a

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Speaker 1: better roster than Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: At a way to spend my money than I think.

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Speaker 1: I like Jose Harbaugh's this weekend Our three News